1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,880 Sarah Jones: Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm Sarah Jones. 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,639 Emily Tisch Sussman: Welcome back to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: with women who dare to pivot out of one career 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,919 Emily Tisch Sussman: and into something new and explore how their personal lives 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:33,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: impacts these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Today 6 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,839 Emily Tisch Sussman: we have another special candid conversation recorded live here at 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: the Aspen Ideas Festival. Maybe you can hear the Aspen 8 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: trees and streams behind me where I'm sitting down with 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: some of the world's foremost leaders, innovators, and creators. Today's 10 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: my conversation with Sarah Jones, Tony Award winning writer and 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: actress and host of the podcast America Who Hurt You? 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Sarah Jones: I'm so excited. She Pivots is one. 13 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: Of the inaugural audio first media companies to partner with 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: the Festival. It was invigorating to be among brilliant leaders 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: and thinkers from around the globe to discuss and hear 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: the ideas that'll shape tomorrow and help us understand today. 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: Over the next few weeks, you'll hear live candid conversations 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: from inspiring women recorded here at the festival from geopolitical issues, 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: to economic issues, to cultural issues and beyond. Each interview 20 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: connects to the larger cultural moment we're in, and of course, 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,959 Emily Tisch Sussman: interweaves their personal lives. I hope you walk away feeling 22 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: as inspired and determined as I did to continue to 23 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: share our stories and experiences to change the cultural landscape 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,479 Emily Tisch Sussman: for a better tomorrow. 25 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,160 Sarah Jones: Let's jump right in. 26 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: Okay, knowing that I have thirty two minutes, I might 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: read our intro and then change this a little bit. 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,880 Sarah Jones: Just for the record. I love that we might. This 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Sarah Jones: is your canva. We're doing it, we do exactly, We're 30 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,560 Sarah Jones: doing it live. We're doing it live, Okay, the whole point. 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: We are here at the Asman Ideas Festival with the 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:15,079 Emily Tisch Sussman: incredible Sarah Jones, a Tony Award winning actor and writer 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: whose work lives at the intersection of culture and politics, 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: something that feels vaguely familiar here on this podcast. She 35 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: is the host of the podcast America Who Hurt You, 36 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,079 Emily Tisch Sussman: where she explores the current state of America through mix 37 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: of personal narratives, political commentary, and humor, all of which 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: we are in need for these days.So welcome Sarah. 39 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,440 Sarah Jones: Collective sigh of relief slash sharp intake of breath, like 40 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Sarah Jones: I feel like we're It's very both and right now, 41 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,079 Sarah Jones: and I'm so happy to be with you. 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: This is perfect. I'm so happy. We were just discussing 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: that you are now a member of my family. 44 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Sarah Jones: Essentially, I have to over the last threatening to move in. 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,800 Sarah Jones: I'm going to her mom's apartment. I'm over here on 46 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,960 Sarah Jones: the podcast. You may know that we just adopted a 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,760 Sarah Jones: puppy yesterday. Well, I have some puppy like tendons. I 48 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,079 Sarah Jones: just went that we're in the adopting mode where we're adding. 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,840 Sarah Jones: This is what I'm trying to say. I think America 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,760 Sarah Jones: that we are in a maximalist moment in a good way. 51 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,839 Sarah Jones: And I'm glad that we're having this conversation here at 52 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Sarah Jones: Aspen Ideas, because yeah, America, who hurt you? Started out 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,880 Sarah Jones: it was like a joke. It was like, yes, America, 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,840 Sarah Jones: girl who herd too? Like what are we doing? And 55 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,480 Sarah Jones: then it was like painfully clear that we actually need 56 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,359 Sarah Jones: to put America on the therapy couch. And now we're 57 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,519 Sarah Jones: doing it live, which I got to do in front 58 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Sarah Jones: of a wonderful audience, including you, And it makes a 59 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Sarah Jones: huge difference to have this crackling energy that you and 60 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,480 Sarah Jones: I get to have and then share with the listeners. 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,680 Sarah Jones: That's the goal with season two of America Who Hurt You? 62 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Sarah Jones: Is this combination of live experience and you know, people 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Sarah Jones: being able to listen while they wash their dishes or 64 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Sarah Jones: whatever it is. 65 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: Well, there's something so incredibly important in this moment, in 66 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: this post covid post post covid of irl. Yes, in person, 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: we have to experience things together. We are pack animals, Yes, 68 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: we exactly. And the thing is, you know, I have 69 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: one character. So the show, the podcasts, you know, sometimes 70 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: you'll listen and there's a panel to certain podcasts and 71 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: that helps to inform the conversation. In my case, the 72 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,919 Emily Tisch Sussman: panel all live within me. My joke is that we 73 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,719 Emily Tisch Sussman: are sort of she pluribus unham, all of these people 74 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: in one body. They are based on my real family members. 75 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: And if you if you're hearing any sound effects is 76 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: because they are making their appearances. So if you're if 77 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: you're watching any of this. 78 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Sarah Jones: I'm obsessed with this well packed prop you have coming 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Sarah Jones: out here. This is incredible. This is like the Swiss 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,039 Sarah Jones: Army Knife of props of your characters. So and here, 81 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,839 Sarah Jones: so let's so, so we just met me. I'm Sarah. Okay, 82 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,000 Sarah Jones: so here we go. I'm Lorraine. I already know you. 83 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Sarah Jones: Emily Sweethood. We are related. We listen more than I 84 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,400 Sarah Jones: don't know about shared. It definitely related. But that's a joke, 85 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Sarah Jones: because Sarah is. She jokes that she bases her characters 86 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Sarah Jones: loosely on a real family. She comes from a mixed race, 87 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,320 Sarah Jones: multicultural black and white and Latino and Caribbean and on 88 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,479 Sarah Jones: the white side, Jews and Christians into married some of 89 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Sarah Jones: you at the no, but we say it's a long 90 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:30,240 Sarah Jones: story filled with intrigue and into faith guilt. You know, 91 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,840 Sarah Jones: this is what happened anyway. The point is that all 92 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,320 Sarah Jones: of us, who may seem to be from very different 93 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,039 Sarah Jones: books of life, we are actually connected as a family. 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,640 Sarah Jones: And so yes, of course we should all adopt each other. Sorry, 95 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,360 Sarah Jones: that's incredible, that's the right. She really is based on 96 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,719 Sarah Jones: a real great aunt of mine, and it is true 97 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,839 Sarah Jones: that my family. You know, I'm a black woman of 98 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Sarah Jones: a mixed race experience, and I grew up in Queens, 99 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,080 Sarah Jones: New York, and that gave me a certain sense of 100 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Sarah Jones: connectedness to everyone in you know, everyone on the bus 101 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Sarah Jones: that I rode to school. I felt connected to them 102 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:06,560 Sarah Jones: in some way. 103 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: So I'm very interested on the timing and your thinking 104 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,800 Emily Tisch Sussman: going into America. Who hurt you? So you launched it 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,039 Emily Tisch Sussman: exactly a year ago? So a year ago July, So 106 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: July twenty twenty four. I'm not sure when you conceived 107 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: of the show or when you started filming. 108 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,360 Sarah Jones: But yeah, the time time is interesting. If we can 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Sarah Jones: all take ourselves back to July a year ago? Can 110 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,440 Sarah Jones: we please? Who's got the time machine we need? We're 111 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,839 Sarah Jones: doing all this AI, what about the time travel that 112 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,240 Sarah Jones: we need? People? I know respect us, please tech world 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Sarah Jones: to give us the time the people what we're extually. 114 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,479 Sarah Jones: But the timing was I was what were people saying 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Sarah Jones: back then? Nauseously optimistic, like I was hopeful that we 116 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Sarah Jones: as a country. I don't think of this as a 117 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Sarah Jones: of course, it's political because life is political. Right. If 118 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Sarah Jones: you're a woman walking around, you kind of want to 119 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,599 Sarah Jones: have your rights, You want to be able to control 120 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,559 Sarah Jones: your own body. Maybe I don't know, it's just the thought, 121 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,360 Sarah Jones: and so for some people it's politics. Before a lot 122 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,720 Sarah Jones: of us it's what makes life, liberty and the pursuit 123 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Sarah Jones: of happiness even possible. So I think of us as 124 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,680 Sarah Jones: you know Americans in the biggest sense of wanting to 125 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,880 Sarah Jones: have our freedom's respected and all of that, and so 126 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,040 Sarah Jones: I was hoping that's where we were headed November fifth, 127 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,960 Sarah Jones: and then so I had already conceived of the idea 128 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Sarah Jones: of America who hurt you? And I'll let one other 129 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,800 Sarah Jones: person maybe chime in. Let me see who's gonna come. Okay, Hi, Emily, 130 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Sarah Jones: my name is Bella, and it's amazing to be here 131 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,400 Sarah Jones: at ask of an ideas. I'll just quickly say I 132 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Sarah Jones: know Sarah Jones because she came to my school like 133 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,640 Sarah Jones: when I was in college to do like a pluralism workshop. 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Sarah Jones: And I'm a feminist and I was majoring double majoring 135 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Sarah Jones: feminism and social media. Well actually its feminism and social 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Sarah Jones: justice minoring in social media, sorry, but like with a 137 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Sarah Jones: concentration on notable TikTok memes. And I think that's super 138 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Sarah Jones: like important considering that, like you could argue that TikTok 139 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,520 Sarah Jones: and like social media kind of like decided the election 140 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Sarah Jones: as much as anything else. So like I feel like 141 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,680 Sarah Jones: that's what we were all thinking about. Obvi, it's been Yeah, 142 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,520 Sarah Jones: it's chaotic right now, Okay, So that's Bella. She is chaotic. 143 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,920 Sarah Jones: But I bring these voices to the fore so we 144 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Sarah Jones: can have a conversation about where we are. And at 145 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,920 Sarah Jones: the time, I thought we were all going to be 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,320 Sarah Jones: talking about what's next in terms of our democracy and 147 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Sarah Jones: more human flourishing, I don't know, more access to healthcare 148 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,040 Sarah Jones: and you know, educational programs for kids. I didn't think 149 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,360 Sarah Jones: we were going to go in the opposite direction. So 150 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,880 Sarah Jones: that was kind of when I think when I put 151 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:44,480 Sarah Jones: myself in. 152 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: Your heads like in my own headspace at that time, 153 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: and even the concept of this show that I'm. 154 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Sarah Jones: Thinking about, how do we move how do we move culture? 155 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,200 Sarah Jones: Like I spent almost twenty years working in federal policy, 156 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,240 Sarah Jones: Like I used to change laws. Bless you, thank you 157 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,800 Sarah Jones: for doing that. Well, I now said a podcast studio 158 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,280 Sarah Jones: and look at characters, so you know, like my life 159 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,520 Sarah Jones: has taken a chance. But you know, like that was 160 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Sarah Jones: changing laws, and now I think about moving culture, and 161 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Sarah Jones: it's so different. It's longer, it's harder, it's slower, it's personal. 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: People have to feel connected, they have to take it 163 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: out of the political for people to feel connected to 164 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: it at all. And something that I thought, so I 165 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,079 Emily Tisch Sussman: looked at your lineup, I looked at your episodes. I 166 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: looked at your timing and I thought, Okay, she thought 167 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: she was moving culture forward. 168 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,800 Sarah Jones: I get it. We hoped that we were moving in 169 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,680 Sarah Jones: a particular direction. 170 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: Yes, yes, So one, I'm interested what you did after 171 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: the election, like how you changed it or didn't. But 172 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Emily Tisch Sussman: also something that I thought was interesting during your first 173 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,120 Emily Tisch Sussman: episode is that your guest in your first episode made 174 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: this comment sort of along the lines of like, well, 175 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: I do culture and it's long and it's slow, and 176 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: regardless of the electoral outcome, I will be here and 177 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: we will be moving, which is a really nice thing 178 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: to say if you think you're actually gonna win. 179 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,200 Sarah Jones: I know it sounds so quack. Now. No, I was like, 180 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,360 Sarah Jones: does she today I think the election will the same 181 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,000 Sarah Jones: either way. No, And I just have to say, like 182 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,360 Sarah Jones: our joke, it's not a joke, right of Like putting 183 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Sarah Jones: America on the therapy couch is like when you watch 184 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Sarah Jones: someone who's super self destructive and you want to be like, girl, 185 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,160 Sarah Jones: I love you have so many positive qualities. You really 186 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,320 Sarah Jones: really have to talk to someone like That's where I 187 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,840 Sarah Jones: feel America is at this point. And I will also 188 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Sarah Jones: say optimism and humor go together. Being in a room 189 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,960 Sarah Jones: together is the shift that we've made. And we originally 190 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Sarah Jones: launched America Who Hurt You with a live event in 191 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,360 Sarah Jones: New York, and after the election, I thought we need 192 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Sarah Jones: to be together, Like, yes, the podcast is amazing. I'm 193 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Sarah Jones: so grateful that I have people in rural you know, 194 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,040 Sarah Jones: communities who reach out and say, you know, I have 195 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Sarah Jones: a bubby too. I'm the only one in my town. 196 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,400 Sarah Jones: But you know, it's nice to hear yours. That's all great, 197 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,320 Sarah Jones: but when we are in a room together, it adds. 198 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,439 Sarah Jones: It's very both and I feel like this moment we're 199 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Sarah Jones: in is like, yes, do the digital thing, Like, let's 200 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,480 Sarah Jones: find out how social media is impacting all of our lives. 201 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,360 Sarah Jones: And that's one of the things we do in the show, 202 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Sarah Jones: as you now know, is we literally give people hacks 203 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,440 Sarah Jones: for like, if you're struggling with being on your phone 204 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Sarah Jones: at three am, doom scrolling and then like trying to 205 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,040 Sarah Jones: cycle back to some cute puppies and then you're back 206 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,480 Sarah Jones: to the doom, we have a hack for that. So 207 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,400 Sarah Jones: part of it is the practical, you know, as you 208 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,360 Sarah Jones: say on here, right, how do how do people's politics 209 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,439 Sarah Jones: and personal lives? What is that connection? And we're kind 210 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Sarah Jones: of talking about how our collective experience as a country. 211 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,720 Sarah Jones: Not everybody lives through trauma. Not everybody lives through the 212 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Sarah Jones: same you know, roller coaster ride as an American traumatizing, 213 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Sarah Jones: but this moment as an American thank you for saying that, 214 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,000 Sarah Jones: because but let me just say, Emily, a lot of 215 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,920 Sarah Jones: people don't identify with that. A lot of people are like, 216 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Sarah Jones: I'm not I don't feel trauma. And then I say 217 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,360 Sarah Jones: to them, well, you're from New York. Did you live 218 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,240 Sarah Jones: through nine to eleven? And they're like, oh, yeah, that 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Sarah Jones: was bad, Or hey, did you live through a pandemic 220 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Sarah Jones: in the last five years? Because I did it, and 221 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Sarah Jones: they're like, oh, write that part, or like school shootings, 222 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,679 Sarah Jones: like worrying about what you're gonna wake up to, worrying 223 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Sarah Jones: about your kids. It's traumatic, right, And so what I 224 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Sarah Jones: realized is our politics are being driven by our trauma 225 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,960 Sarah Jones: to a certain extent, Like we're all so anxious and 226 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Sarah Jones: depressed or like trying not to be that way, and 227 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,360 Sarah Jones: then we're going into the voting booth in fight flight, 228 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,840 Sarah Jones: you know, freezepawn and we don't even know we're not 229 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Sarah Jones: breathing all day, and that hurts our politics. But Also, 230 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Sarah Jones: it's not just that our trauma is driving our politics. 231 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,200 Sarah Jones: It's that our politics drives our trauma. When you wake 232 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,160 Sarah Jones: up to your neighbor's be I live in La now 233 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Sarah Jones: and from New York, but literally my you know, neighbors 234 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Sarah Jones: are being snatched off the street. That is traumatic. It's 235 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Sarah Jones: really terrifying to watch new cycles of traumatized people, you know, 236 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,199 Sarah Jones: Like I'll give you an example. Hi, Emily, my name 237 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,439 Sarah Jones: is Neeva. We got to me yesterday. But as a 238 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,439 Sarah Jones: Latina first of all, sour Jones has cousins from Dominican Republic, 239 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,720 Sarah Jones: et cetera, and so she is very close to this issue. 240 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,319 Sarah Jones: Even though this country a lot of the time we'll 241 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Sarah Jones: try to tell us that we're all separate and we're 242 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,840 Sarah Jones: all different and bad people are coming across the border 243 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Sarah Jones: blah blah lah. And the truth is, if you look 244 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,840 Sarah Jones: at the real history of this country immigrants. We're all immigrants. 245 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,440 Sarah Jones: Like let's say your last name was Drump and then 246 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,559 Sarah Jones: you change it to Trump. That's German. I'm sorry to 247 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,120 Sarah Jones: tell you, but I studied the history. Your name is not, 248 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,880 Sarah Jones: you know, like red Bear. So if you're not Native American, 249 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Sarah Jones: all of us have an immigrant story and we need 250 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,280 Sarah Jones: to be honest about why are we doing the things 251 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,960 Sarah Jones: that we're doing right now? Who is it really helping 252 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Sarah Jones: and is it really protecting anybody's freedom or are we 253 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,520 Sarah Jones: letting the facts go out the window completely and then 254 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Sarah Jones: losing our humanity which, by the way, there's this concept 255 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Sarah Jones: of moral injury and the politics of right now, we 256 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,240 Sarah Jones: think that we can look away or step over that 257 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,320 Sarah Jones: unhoused person who's kicked out of their house because they 258 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,000 Sarah Jones: have no health care. We think that doesn't touch us. 259 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Sarah Jones: But actually even the neuroscience and the you know, mental 260 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,240 Sarah Jones: health field is showing us that there is a secondary 261 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,360 Sarah Jones: moral injury, there is secondary trauma. We don't want that 262 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,800 Sarah Jones: as a country anyway. As you can tell, one day, 263 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,559 Sarah Jones: maybe Nedea will run for office if she stays safe 264 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,319 Sarah Jones: and doesn't get kicked out of the country to someplace 265 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,319 Sarah Jones: that you know, she's a citizen, but she's terrified to 266 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Sarah Jones: leave her house and go get groceries right now. 267 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: So, how do you think about moving culture right now? 268 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like where where are you trying to move culture? What 269 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: are your levers of change and have they changed in 270 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:01,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: the last year? 271 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,960 Sarah Jones: Yeah, so you know what's wild One of the characters 272 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,120 Sarah Jones: who has become essential to me. Now is a man 273 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,720 Sarah Jones: named Hank. I don't even think he got to come 274 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Sarah Jones: out yesterday, but he is someone who described himself as 275 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Sarah Jones: a European American rights advocate. But I'll let him speak 276 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Sarah Jones: for himself. Look, she wants to try to turn people 277 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,600 Sarah Jones: against me before I can even say my name. My 278 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,040 Sarah Jones: name is Hank. I'll say this, I'm an American. I 279 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,680 Sarah Jones: know other people call themselves Americans. I don't know what 280 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,360 Sarah Jones: their legal status, illegal, everything she talks about with the 281 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,360 Sarah Jones: immigration and all of that. Sure, my family came here, 282 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,360 Sarah Jones: you know, we are from half my family Norway and 283 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,680 Sarah Jones: half of them I think something English or something like that. 284 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,280 Sarah Jones: But as far as I'm concerned, I don't say I'm 285 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,080 Sarah Jones: just nothing. I used to say that and she'd make 286 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Sarah Jones: fun of me. I'm just American and I don't agree 287 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Sarah Jones: with the things Sarah Jones talks about and half of 288 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Sarah Jones: her people or whatever she wants to call it. You know, 289 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Sarah Jones: I'm a man she brings out here and she calls 290 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,240 Sarah Jones: it a one woman. That's the problem right there. But 291 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Sarah Jones: as far as I'm concerned, I want this country to succeed, 292 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,760 Sarah Jones: and I wanted to prosper and I've voted for the 293 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,400 Sarah Jones: current president twice. I think he has a lot of 294 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,120 Sarah Jones: great qualities, but I am concerned about where we are 295 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Sarah Jones: right now. I'm not going to lie to you and 296 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Sarah Jones: when all the jobs that I work for va and 297 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,960 Sarah Jones: I'm disappointed in some of his choices. Elon. I've never 298 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Sarah Jones: been fan of Elan. I don't care about those funny 299 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Sarah Jones: looking cars. I don't care if you sell them on 300 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,080 Sarah Jones: the White House lawn. I'm not impressed. So I just 301 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,920 Sarah Jones: want this country to be safe and I want to 302 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Sarah Jones: live up to what it should be for the people 303 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,080 Sarah Jones: who belong here. So as you can hear, Hank and 304 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Sarah Jones: I do not see I own everything. But I'm taking 305 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,120 Sarah Jones: this around the country, the live version of America Who 306 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Sarah Jones: hurt You? So we can all have a conversation. Maybe 307 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Sarah Jones: it turns into debate, but the idea is to maintain 308 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Sarah Jones: our sense of humor. And I want people like Hank 309 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,200 Sarah Jones: to understand that all he wants is the same thing 310 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,360 Sarah Jones: Nedeva wants. Her family, you know, came here, work hard, 311 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,880 Sarah Jones: and they deserve to be able to flourish. His family 312 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,720 Sarah Jones: works hard, deserves to be able to flourish. So where 313 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Sarah Jones: are we getting to this conflict that is ripping the 314 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Sarah Jones: country apart, and we're now at a point where I'm scared. 315 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,880 Sarah Jones: I'm scared not just for my neighbors, but you know 316 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,520 Sarah Jones: part of what happened with this America. Who hurt you 317 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,880 Sarah Jones: project you can't well, maybe you can see me if 318 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Sarah Jones: you're watching this, but I have, you know, dark brown skin. 319 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Sarah Jones: I'm black from a distance. I have some people would 320 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Sarah Jones: call it a ju fro, but it's more fro, and 321 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,720 Sarah Jones: I have big, curly hair. I used to straighten it 322 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Sarah Jones: because it made me feel safer to not seem like 323 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,840 Sarah Jones: I'm you know, pushing things too far in a direction 324 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Sarah Jones: that isn't American enough, right. So I realized that part 325 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,240 Sarah Jones: of me that was always scared I used to stop. 326 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,160 Sarah Jones: If you ever look for it, you can find my 327 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,760 Sarah Jones: ted Tolks and some of the other things that I've 328 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,560 Sarah Jones: done online in the past. And I would lead with 329 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,880 Sarah Jones: this accent. Now positive is that I play different characters 330 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,040 Sarah Jones: and it's fun for me. But I realized, and you 331 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,560 Sarah Jones: were talking about the pivot, what is that pivot? I 332 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,480 Sarah Jones: realized for years I was leading with this because I 333 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,760 Sarah Jones: got better treatment and I felt safer than being a 334 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,600 Sarah Jones: regular black American. And when I bring that up and 335 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,280 Sarah Jones: talk about that. I realized everybody in the country right 336 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,800 Sarah Jones: now is going through different kinds of pivots and reckonings 337 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,440 Sarah Jones: because I think we are at a new place. We 338 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,920 Sarah Jones: really do have to ask ourselves who do we want 339 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Sarah Jones: to be as a country? Does the constitution mean anything 340 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,400 Sarah Jones: to us? And if it does, what are we doing 341 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:29,960 Sarah Jones: right now? 342 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,119 Emily Tisch Sussman: So a lot of what people are talking about is 343 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: you reference this with the social media but silos that 344 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: the way that people are getting information right now is 345 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,679 Emily Tisch Sussman: self congratulatory. There's a confirmation bias, confirmation bias that like 346 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: you just seek out what confirms your own bias already, 347 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: and that's actually gone now beyond opinion into news as well, and. 348 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,119 Sarah Jones: It seeks you out. It's not just that you seek 349 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,920 Sarah Jones: out what you already believe. The algorithm is like, hey babe, 350 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,920 Sarah Jones: it's you and me, you know, which is really dangerous. 351 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,120 Sarah Jones: Yeah yeah, yeah, But so how are you thinking about reaching? 352 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Sarah Jones: Are you going? Are you going to hank? Are you 353 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Sarah Jones: going to not get? 354 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:08,399 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like? 355 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,720 Sarah Jones: Where are you going? We're going? Hey? Wow? So wow? 356 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,320 Sarah Jones: Indeed yeah, because she might monstraighten this whatever it is 357 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Sarah Jones: kind of hairdoo that she's got going on here, because uh, 358 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,439 Sarah Jones: it's going to make her stick out, all right, and uh, listen, 359 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Sarah Jones: I'm not here to criticize anybody, but I can tell 360 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,400 Sarah Jones: you that when people don't agree on the facts, there's 361 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Sarah Jones: nowhere to go if everybody can see. Sarah Jones talks 362 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,080 Sarah Jones: about it in terms of because I think she's a 363 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,159 Sarah Jones: big old lefty, and uh, She'll say, well, if it rained, 364 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,240 Sarah Jones: that's not left or right. You just have to go 365 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Sarah Jones: out there and take a measure. Is there precipitation on 366 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Sarah Jones: the ground or not. I come from a farming background. 367 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,800 Sarah Jones: I know she's trying. She's trying to peel to me. 368 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,800 Sarah Jones: My point is that I agree with that. I don't 369 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,840 Sarah Jones: agree with most of what else she says, but if 370 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Sarah Jones: you can show me the truth, I'm smart. I can 371 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Sarah Jones: figure that out. 372 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Emily Tisch Sussman: Now. 373 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,399 Sarah Jones: She feels like her truth is the only real truth, 374 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,680 Sarah Jones: and I can tell you in my truth the things 375 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,640 Sarah Jones: I watch, those things make sense to me. So when 376 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Sarah Jones: I hear Hank, I get scared because I actually heard this, 377 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Sarah Jones: and I don't know if it can be corroborated, but 378 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Sarah Jones: I remember hearing that. With Fox, for example, they specifically 379 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,919 Sarah Jones: said we're an entertainment brand. Yes there's some news, but 380 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Sarah Jones: it's entertainment. But what people think is news is all 381 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,199 Sarah Jones: this opinion that they're getting, and that's that are I 382 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Sarah Jones: mean when I saw photos, When I see the leader 383 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,480 Sarah Jones: of the country showing photos that are photoshopped, that's terrifying 384 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Sarah Jones: to me. And we're now at a place where AI, 385 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,000 Sarah Jones: you know, kind of exacerbates the problem of what even 386 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,840 Sarah Jones: is the truth. So I just want to get in 387 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,000 Sarah Jones: a room with Hank, who reminds me a little bit. 388 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,600 Sarah Jones: I have an uncle, I had a you know, Republican uncle. 389 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Sarah Jones: I had a Republican father in law. White guys, older 390 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,520 Sarah Jones: white guys. I love these people and they love me. 391 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Sarah Jones: We didn't agree on everything, but it hadn't gotten this extreme. 392 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,760 Sarah Jones: And so I'm wondering, how do we like moving culture 393 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,440 Sarah Jones: like you were talking about. I think if people can 394 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,000 Sarah Jones: see facts on the ground, it moves them. That idea 395 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,679 Sarah Jones: of rain, if you can see that it rained and 396 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Sarah Jones: somebody's telling you, nope, that was a hologram, and you'll 397 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,240 Sarah Jones: start to say, wait a minute, like are you pouring 398 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,200 Sarah Jones: vy on on me and telling me it's not raining, 399 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,440 Sarah Jones: Like what are we doing here? And I think as 400 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Sarah Jones: a country, we also have shared values. Hank doesn't like 401 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,639 Sarah Jones: watching Jeff Bezos spend fifty million dollars on a wedding 402 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,440 Sarah Jones: when he can't get packages delivered to his area because 403 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,960 Sarah Jones: the jobs, you know, aren't secure enough and people won't 404 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,840 Sarah Jones: come to him with packages, right, So he's seeing the 405 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,600 Sarah Jones: inequality and the inequities too, but he just thinks they're 406 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,879 Sarah Jones: Joe Biden's fault. So that's the conversation we want to 407 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,199 Sarah Jones: have about what are the things we all agree on, 408 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Sarah Jones: what do we believe to be true? And most Americans 409 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,920 Sarah Jones: share basic values that you should get, you know, fair 410 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Sarah Jones: wages for your work, that you should have your privacy. 411 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,520 Sarah Jones: See that we all believe those things. But then these 412 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,040 Sarah Jones: sneaky you know, legislation comes through if you call something 413 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,760 Sarah Jones: that's going to invade your privacy the we like you 414 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Sarah Jones: a lot bill, and then you hide the part where 415 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,480 Sarah Jones: they can you know, spread your information and where they want. 416 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,320 Sarah Jones: That's a problem and we need more checks and balances 417 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,639 Sarah Jones: to get us on the same page to move culture. 418 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: Stay tuned for more of Sarah after the break. 419 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,920 Sarah Jones: That's a problem and we need more checks and balances 420 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,240 Sarah Jones: to get us on the same page to move culture. 421 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,320 Sarah Jones: So how are you going to bring those facts? So 422 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Sarah Jones: I try to do it through humor because it's not 423 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,359 Sarah Jones: a rally. I don't want people coming thinking that they're, 424 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,119 Sarah Jones: you know, going to sit through a news broadcast. We 425 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,600 Sarah Jones: try to get up there and have a good time, 426 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,880 Sarah Jones: you know what. I'm gonna bring out one of my buddies. 427 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,199 Sarah Jones: Let's see if he's got something to say. All right, 428 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,880 Sarah Jones: what's good, y'all. My name is Roy she Emily. Very 429 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,600 Sarah Jones: nice to meet you. I love you podcast. I love 430 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,920 Sarah Jones: the whole vibe. I'm a black male, you know, I'm 431 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Sarah Jones: interested in everything y'all talking about. And I got to 432 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,560 Sarah Jones: tell you my experience is different even from Sarah Jones, 433 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,600 Sarah Jones: you know what I mean, she got her mom got 434 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,400 Sarah Jones: white privileged. She walked around having a different experience where 435 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,280 Sarah Jones: she's a child. Ain't no ambiguities about me, you know. 436 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Sarah Jones: I mean, I know what it is to try to 437 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,960 Sarah Jones: help people understand something without preaching that. You can't be 438 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,080 Sarah Jones: preaching that people right now. Don't nobody want to hear that. 439 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,720 Sarah Jones: Ain't nobody got time for that. So for me, it's like, 440 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,560 Sarah Jones: don't tell people, Oh, you know, right now, we all 441 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Sarah Jones: got something called digital dementia, which is true. I'm sorry 442 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,239 Sarah Jones: to tell y'all that but it means that we're on 443 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,399 Sarah Jones: our phone so much that we losing our gray matter, 444 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,800 Sarah Jones: we losing our ability to connect with people. We're hearing 445 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,639 Sarah Jones: about the loneliness crisis and all this other type of stuff. 446 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,800 Sarah Jones: Nobody wants to really have to hear all that and 447 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,280 Sarah Jones: hear about the policies behind all that. But if you 448 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,480 Sarah Jones: just say to somebody, yo, my dude, I mean, how's 449 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,199 Sarah Jones: your date in life? And he's like, y'all, I'm like, 450 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,359 Sarah Jones: you know it's given in cell vibes right now, son, 451 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,879 Sarah Jones: I can't find nobody all these I'm not gonna use 452 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,520 Sarah Jones: no language on your should I shouldn't used, but I'm 453 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,879 Sarah Jones: saying when dudes is lonely, then you could reach them 454 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,000 Sarah Jones: and be like, son, you know what this is? You? 455 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,600 Sarah Jones: You know what I mean? You addicted to your phone 456 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,879 Sarah Jones: and you're gonna get an AI girlfriend. It's not gonna 457 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,160 Sarah Jones: and yeah, it's that's that's that's not gonna play out 458 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,720 Sarah Jones: the way you think. That's not the flex you think 459 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,080 Sarah Jones: it is. So I bring Rashid in to kind of 460 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,399 Sarah Jones: bring a an emotional human I think about myself. You know, 461 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,840 Sarah Jones: if you say to me, oh my goodness, they're passing 462 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,679 Sarah Jones: this thing that's gonna maybe, you know, take away medicaid 463 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Sarah Jones: from a whole bunch of people. That's different than if 464 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,200 Sarah Jones: Lorraine says, you know people my age and I won't 465 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,439 Sarah Jones: tell you my real age, but Emily, you know this. 466 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,040 Sarah Jones: I like to think of myself as living proof that 467 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,159 Sarah Jones: over eighty five is the new seventy. I didn't know that. 468 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,400 Sarah Jones: I think the statistic is something like maybe seventy percent 469 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,840 Sarah Jones: of older people rely on the nursing homes and the 470 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Sarah Jones: assisted living and all of these things. They're going to 471 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,000 Sarah Jones: lose all their they're livelyhood, They're going to lose their 472 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Sarah Jones: ability to stay healthy. That hits me in my heart. 473 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,320 Sarah Jones: I'm this shame age. They don't deserve that. They work 474 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,919 Sarah Jones: to out just like me. So that's the idea is 475 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Sarah Jones: that if you can see yourself or your relative or 476 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,200 Sarah Jones: just somebody you can identify with and then hear how 477 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Sarah Jones: their life is going to be impacted by something that 478 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,720 Sarah Jones: just maybe isn't a policy that we really want to 479 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,879 Sarah Jones: vote for, that helps people think in the political and 480 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Sarah Jones: the personal at the same time. So that's the hope 481 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,320 Sarah Jones: is that that moves culture. 482 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,320 Emily Tisch Sussman: Are you thinking about there being like, is there an interactivity? 483 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,320 Sarah Jones: I mean clearly you are not scripted like you have 484 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,200 Sarah Jones: I am not scripted. You clearly are pulling this all 485 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,000 Sarah Jones: out as this is unbelievable. I'm truly witnessing magic in 486 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,880 Sarah Jones: this room right now. Oh thanks Ellily. Well, I would 487 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,560 Sarah Jones: say with the joke that we make in the show 488 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,440 Sarah Jones: when people came and saw us performed, we just did 489 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,160 Sarah Jones: Joe's pub We've been performing all over and we're coming 490 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,479 Sarah Jones: to a city and a rural area near you, So 491 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,439 Sarah Jones: come sign up on America Who Hurt You dot com. 492 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,280 Sarah Jones: That's the other thing. Social media is hard because if 493 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,159 Sarah Jones: you're saying things that the algorithm doesn't like for some reason, 494 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,920 Sarah Jones: then you get suppressed, you get shadow band. You can't 495 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320 Sarah Jones: say a certain kind of women's healthcare without it being 496 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,760 Sarah Jones: considered you know, questionable. But so but we're getting people 497 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,159 Sarah Jones: to sign up so that we can have more irl 498 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,560 Sarah Jones: connection and have more direct connection that isn't mitigated by 499 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,479 Sarah Jones: you know, social media platforms that may be trying to 500 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,840 Sarah Jones: influence our opinion or keep us in that silo that 501 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,160 Sarah Jones: you were talking about. But the idea is to make 502 00:25:54,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Sarah Jones: sure all of our voices get heard. I gotta be 503 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,720 Sarah Jones: completely honest that I lost my place. What do you 504 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Sarah Jones: think is the role of social media in this connection building? 505 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,359 Sarah Jones: That's helpful, But what was your question before? It was 506 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Sarah Jones: so good and I know, I know, I'm I'm so 507 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,160 Sarah Jones: inch in your answer my question. We can go over okay, 508 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Sarah Jones: because I'm like, I'm watching hand I'm like, okay, any. 509 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 3: Characters Okay, okay, character pandemonium. 510 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:54,959 Emily Tisch Sussman: After the break more from Sarah character pandemonium. 511 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,520 Sarah Jones: So but social media, right, yeah, there's no question that 512 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,560 Sarah Jones: it has Wait. By the way, we keep all of 513 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,440 Sarah Jones: this in this is all say, yeah, the chaos is real, y'all. 514 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,159 Sarah Jones: It's a metaphor for the moment we're in. It's not 515 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,840 Sarah Jones: to be perfect, but it's real. But it's human human, 516 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,919 Sarah Jones: It's real. Is there anything better than human messiness? And 517 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600 Sarah Jones: I think that also is part of the goal of 518 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,600 Sarah Jones: America Who Hurt You, is to like stop pretending that 519 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,040 Sarah Jones: we all have to be these perfect I think about 520 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,040 Sarah Jones: my friends who are moms. I'm not, I mean, unless 521 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,200 Sarah Jones: you count the inner children, but I clearly have I'm 522 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Sarah Jones: not a mom myself, but I look around at my friends. 523 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,200 Sarah Jones: They're like, they have to be perfect in their businesses. 524 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,280 Sarah Jones: They're entrepreneurs, they're raising kids, they're you know, They're like 525 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,520 Sarah Jones: contributing to their communities, it's impossible. And then they're like, 526 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,480 Sarah Jones: my god, biome and I'm like just the the guy 527 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,040 Sarah Jones: I cannot. I cannot, like, can we all please give 528 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,480 Sarah Jones: our gut and the oils? I cannot likes, I mean forget, 529 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Sarah Jones: I can't. I walked in here, like, where's the turmeric? 530 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 4: Like everybody calmed down, We're not gonna die if we 531 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: don't get turmeric for ten minute. And I think though, 532 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 4: one of the things I love so much about getting 533 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 4: to talk to different people, and we have had like 534 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 4: great guests on and that will still be a part 535 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: of it. Hearing Jane Fonda talk about climate I like, 536 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: you know, as Bella said, she was like, we. 537 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,000 Sarah Jones: Stand like forever, like I'm dead, And it's okay, Bella, 538 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,439 Sarah Jones: You're embarrassing us in front of Jane Fonda. But you know, 539 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,719 Sarah Jones: having these wonderful thought leaders and also the audience are 540 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,879 Sarah Jones: the thought leaders. So we've been doing Q and A. 541 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,679 Sarah Jones: We get people to you know, kind of open up 542 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,639 Sarah Jones: and share a little bit about their experiences. We do 543 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,600 Sarah Jones: breath work in the show, so like we feel like 544 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,600 Sarah Jones: at this point you got to throw everything at it. 545 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Sarah Jones: And social media is a huge part of that, yes, 546 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,520 Sarah Jones: and we know that it's impacting people's ability to connect. 547 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Sarah Jones: You know, there are kids who, because they were raised 548 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,040 Sarah Jones: on screens, can't make eye contact and can't hold, you know, 549 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,440 Sarah Jones: emotional connection in the same way. We don't want that. 550 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,720 Sarah Jones: We don't and we don't want that for them, and 551 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,880 Sarah Jones: we don't want it for ourselves. And so there are 552 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,360 Sarah Jones: ways for social media to be a positive, but we 553 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040 Sarah Jones: got to be on that. If it's called the attention 554 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,680 Sarah Jones: economy and their business model is to get all of 555 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800 Sarah Jones: your attention twenty four hours a day, when are you 556 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,280 Sarah Jones: gonna have any time for yourself? So my suggestion with 557 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,600 Sarah Jones: America who hurt you is we get into a room 558 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,200 Sarah Jones: we laugh. Some people are like, it's a comedy show. 559 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,320 Sarah Jones: I'm like, great, stay with that. I'm gonna give you 560 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120 Sarah Jones: the avocado in the brownies. But the good news is 561 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560 Sarah Jones: it is fun and it is funny, and we do laugh, 562 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,440 Sarah Jones: and we give ourselves permission to be messy and imperfect. 563 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,960 Sarah Jones: And I actually ask people to check in with themselves 564 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Sarah Jones: when you know, we'll be talking about like did you 565 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,120 Sarah Jones: hear about this latest thing that happened? Also, the news 566 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,720 Sarah Jones: cycle is so that's our joke is that I rewrite 567 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Sarah Jones: the script twice a day, like brushing my teeth, because 568 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,040 Sarah Jones: you can't keep up with what's happening, so you can't 569 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,120 Sarah Jones: walk a script right. But what that allows us to 570 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,520 Sarah Jones: do is be more spontaneous, more in the moment, me 571 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,160 Sarah Jones: saying to you, I can't remember. I'm in such a spin, 572 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240 Sarah Jones: I can't find you know where I started. And that's 573 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,680 Sarah Jones: so different from the old me. Even almost feel like 574 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360 Sarah Jones: this moment has given all of us permission to just 575 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,960 Sarah Jones: be like girl, like, I don't even know what's going 576 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,280 Sarah Jones: on right now. I need a wellness break, I need 577 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760 Sarah Jones: a bio break, I need a vacation. Like I'm hearing 578 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,520 Sarah Jones: people talk about giving themselves more leeway, and I'll just 579 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,520 Sarah Jones: say this, I think some people in leadership did not 580 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040 Sarah Jones: grow up with that kind of position, that kind of permission, 581 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,200 Sarah Jones: rather to be themselves to find healing. Like that's one 582 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320 Sarah Jones: of the things with the show is we're gonna laugh 583 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,400 Sarah Jones: because it's healing. I mean, I'm not gonna tell you that. 584 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Sarah Jones: I'm not gonna like, you know, take your temperature before 585 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,880 Sarah Jones: you come in and be like this is an intake form, 586 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,400 Sarah Jones: it's not a hospital healing. But so much healing comes 587 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,960 Sarah Jones: through creativity, through art. Some of the all your guests. 588 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,479 Sarah Jones: When I listen, I'm like, oh my god, these are 589 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,560 Sarah Jones: people who are bringing that combination of their creative spirit 590 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,160 Sarah Jones: and how they want to be in the world, how 591 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,640 Sarah Jones: they want to be part of community. You bring those together, 592 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,640 Sarah Jones: it's magic. And I don't think we can end up 593 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,400 Sarah Jones: in you know, as Bella would say, this moment is 594 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,280 Sarah Jones: like low key, high key, like the amuse boush before authoritarianism. 595 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,960 Sarah Jones: But we're not. We're not. You know, we still have time, 596 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,640 Sarah Jones: but let's what are we doing with our time? Like 597 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,360 Sarah Jones: what are we doing? So I think it's like I 598 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,480 Sarah Jones: learned in some of my research that the current president, 599 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Sarah Jones: when he was a little boy, his father screamed at him, 600 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,480 Sarah Jones: you're a loser. You're a loser. You need to be 601 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,000 Sarah Jones: a killer. Imagine being seven eight years old and the 602 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,880 Sarah Jones: person who's supposed to be your caretaker his mother was 603 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,520 Sarah Jones: ill when he was two, so he lost that connection. 604 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,880 Sarah Jones: And so this is a person who is a traumatized 605 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,040 Sarah Jones: child inside. And it's not surprising to me that you know, 606 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,080 Sarah Jones: they sent him off to military boarding school by the 607 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360 Sarah Jones: time he was twelve or thirteen, and so all of 608 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Sarah Jones: that pain just got calcified in there talk about trauma, 609 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,240 Sarah Jones: and that trauma is now driving our trauma in my opinion, 610 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,200 Sarah Jones: So I share stuff like that with the audience just 611 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,880 Sarah Jones: to humanize and remind us that if we don't intervene 612 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,080 Sarah Jones: and give all of ourselves more permission to be fully 613 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,200 Sarah Jones: human and to connect and to heal, we end up 614 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,720 Sarah Jones: in really scary places. 615 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: Well, it's been interesting as you've been talking through all 616 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: of this and like this moment that we have permission 617 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: to be messy and to show so much more and 618 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040 Emily Tisch Sussman: to be so much more human. I was thinking about 619 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: this evolution in myself even and how this has been 620 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920 Emily Tisch Sussman: I mean I spent a decade as a Fox News 621 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880 Emily Tisch Sussman: commentator on other networks as well. When we started to 622 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,280 Emily Tisch Sussman: talk about Fox News, I was like, well, yes, I 623 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680 Emily Tisch Sussman: actually was behind the valley. I was in the middle 624 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: of the belly, and everything was about presenting correctly, looking correctly. 625 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: I mean I had to be there, you know, at 626 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: least an hour and a half for hair and makeup perfect. 627 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,560 Sarah Jones: You all are the most perfect looking anchors anywhere. But like, 628 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,000 Sarah Jones: like you're saying, here you are now you have permission 629 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360 Sarah Jones: to be I'd rather the journalist has a hair out 630 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,080 Sarah Jones: of place, but tells me the straight up, exact facts. 631 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,360 Sarah Jones: I don't want so called left facts. I don't want 632 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Sarah Jones: right facts. I just want the facts. And I don't 633 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,760 Sarah Jones: care if you look perfect. Yeah, but it's a hard 634 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,560 Sarah Jones: you know, you say the left of the right facts, 635 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,680 Sarah Jones: it's a hard thing. 636 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: Everything is about how you frame the question totally. And 637 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240 Emily Tisch Sussman: so I would do the same segment. You know, if 638 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,200 Emily Tisch Sussman: something was topical in the news, I would do it 639 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: on Fox. I would do it on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, 640 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: Like I would go through the networks if something was 641 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: in news cycle and I'd be talking about it. And 642 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,719 Emily Tisch Sussman: the way they framed the questions was everything. Wow, I 643 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: was talking about will the bill pass right? 644 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960 Sarah Jones: What is in the bill? What'll it do for the economy? 645 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,160 Sarah Jones: Will someone win the election? 646 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: Right? Like these I mean, these things are more in 647 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Emily Tisch Sussman: my opinion, but you know, or I'd be like commenting 648 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: on you know, the global position, like the US position 649 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: on inter national affairs. You know, these things were not 650 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: necessarily debatable. They would be considered facts. But the questions 651 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,400 Emily Tisch Sussman: I got were framed so differently. The framing was everything. 652 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Sarah Jones: It's everything. It's so true. And when you now I'm like, 653 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,520 Sarah Jones: can I interview you? Though? But it's true because I 654 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,400 Sarah Jones: think what happens is we get lost. Let's say I 655 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,680 Sarah Jones: don't know you right, and I'm like, she framed these 656 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,840 Sarah Jones: questions for Fox like this. It's like, no, Actually, if 657 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,720 Sarah Jones: you sat in a room with Emily and talk to her, 658 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,160 Sarah Jones: you would understand so much more about the context and 659 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Sarah Jones: the framing and everything that's happening. Imagine if all of 660 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,799 Sarah Jones: us collectively and I don't know that there's a theater 661 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,680 Sarah Jones: big enough for me to get all three hundred and 662 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,400 Sarah Jones: however many million Americans we have. But my goal eventually 663 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,960 Sarah Jones: is film this thing, get it into you know, people's 664 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,520 Sarah Jones: homes and their living rooms. I don't know if it's 665 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,120 Sarah Jones: Netflix or Hulu or whatever, but the way we look 666 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,040 Sarah Jones: at comedy, I think there's so much more potential for 667 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,319 Sarah Jones: it to like serve us and for us to be 668 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,000 Sarah Jones: able to laugh and enjoy conversations with each other in 669 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,400 Sarah Jones: a real room, but then also be able to broadcast 670 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,040 Sarah Jones: out a conversation that says, hey, you're a human being 671 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,640 Sarah Jones: and you might have an experience like your dad calling 672 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279 Sarah Jones: you loser, or you know, your mom got sick and 673 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,200 Sarah Jones: so you didn't bond with her or whatever, and for 674 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,680 Sarah Jones: all you know, that's still driving some of what makes 675 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Sarah Jones: you so upset today or why you feel unsafe around 676 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,720 Sarah Jones: people who look different than you. It really is putting 677 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,000 Sarah Jones: America on the therapy couch in a certain way, but 678 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,920 Sarah Jones: without the judge, and that we have such harsh, horrible 679 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,480 Sarah Jones: language that, if you think about it, a lot of 680 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,560 Sarah Jones: us learned in school, or a lot of us learned 681 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,359 Sarah Jones: from a culture that bullied folks, you know, for years 682 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,160 Sarah Jones: and years it was normal. I was talking to somebody 683 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,160 Sarah Jones: about women and our body image issues and how many 684 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,319 Sarah Jones: of us grew up with like if you I mean. 685 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,880 Sarah Jones: I was like, oh my god, I can pinch like 686 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,480 Sarah Jones: a centimeter of you, you know, and you read that 687 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,080 Sarah Jones: and whym listen say less as they say. And the 688 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,279 Sarah Jones: thing about that is all of that. I talked about 689 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,840 Sarah Jones: it in my own life, like I was on Broadway 690 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,920 Sarah Jones: for years, and like not years. I was on Broadway 691 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,399 Sarah Jones: for it felt like years. It was less than a year. 692 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,319 Sarah Jones: But I did a one person show every night. I 693 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,160 Sarah Jones: had to be perfect, absolutely perfect, and I couldn't eat 694 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,480 Sarah Jones: more than this. And the next thing I knew, I 695 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,359 Sarah Jones: was like, oh, I am so disconnected from myself because 696 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,080 Sarah Jones: I'm trying to maintain this perfect standard and it was 697 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,920 Sarah Jones: robbing me of my own joy. I don't think it 698 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Sarah Jones: helped my marriage. I'm divorced now. But my point is 699 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,839 Sarah Jones: that everybody in America has these kinds of stories. We're 700 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,759 Sarah Jones: overworking or we're trying to overperform or look perfect or 701 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Sarah Jones: whatever it is. And I think that cuts us off 702 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,880 Sarah Jones: from ourselves, which cuts us off from other people. And 703 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,719 Sarah Jones: the opposite happens if you connect, if you say, hey, 704 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,279 Sarah Jones: I feel a little messy. Oh I did some I 705 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,640 Sarah Jones: have a term for it that I really liked that 706 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640 Sarah Jones: I heard, disembodied eating. It means I was having a 707 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,840 Sarah Jones: feeling and I was like, I don't like this feeling. 708 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,919 Sarah Jones: I'm gonna be putting that in my mouth right now. 709 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160 Sarah Jones: And instead of being right and instead of being like, 710 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Sarah Jones: oh my god, I'm such a mess I need to 711 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,400 Sarah Jones: go to the gym for like five hours now, instead 712 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,000 Sarah Jones: it's like, oh, I guess you maybe overrate a little something. 713 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,200 Sarah Jones: When's the first time you remember doing that? When I 714 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,839 Sarah Jones: was five, you know, my parents will be like, here's 715 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,919 Sarah Jones: some ice cream, you know, don't cry, just relax, And 716 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,839 Sarah Jones: so none of it's bad, None of it's wrong. It 717 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,480 Sarah Jones: takes the like moral judgment out of who we are 718 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,680 Sarah Jones: and how we're living, and it helps us. It's not 719 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,680 Sarah Jones: that we don't want to take responsibility. I think we 720 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,279 Sarah Jones: just all want to understand. Oh, people are hurting for 721 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,239 Sarah Jones: lots of different reasons, and that makes sense. It doesn't 722 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,200 Sarah Jones: make them bad, it doesn't make them wrong, or they're 723 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960 Sarah Jones: lazy and need a better morning routine. It means we're 724 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,359 Sarah Jones: all in kind of a messy time, and the more 725 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,919 Sarah Jones: we can accept that and lean into it, the better 726 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,640 Sarah Jones: off we're going to be. 727 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,960 Emily Tisch Sussman: Well. I think this also goes to the role of 728 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: social media and all those I honestly, I think people 729 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,399 Emily Tisch Sussman: think about themselves too much right now, and I think 730 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,720 Emily Tisch Sussman: they get it on social media. I think they get 731 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,799 Emily Tisch Sussman: like therapy terms and they compare themselves to others. I 732 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,560 Emily Tisch Sussman: just think people think about themselves way too much, and 733 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: then they're not spending time irl like just having unstructured 734 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,319 Emily Tisch Sussman: in person communications and experiences with others, because they're like 735 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: spending too much time thinking about I don't know, they're 736 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,840 Emily Tisch Sussman: pores or something. 737 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,880 Sarah Jones: Yes, I mean, and you're so right, first of all, guilty. 738 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,040 Sarah Jones: You can see my hands in there. I'm like oh 739 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,600 Sarah Jones: my god, Like, I am so self obsessedon on which 740 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,200 Sarah Jones: is why I want to get off there. And then 741 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,840 Sarah Jones: it's impossible to get off there because our worktimes, you know, 742 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,880 Sarah Jones: you want to reach people, you want them to find you. 743 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,920 Sarah Jones: It's a very tricky balance, yes, and yet I think 744 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,879 Sarah Jones: the main thing is social media at its best does 745 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,160 Sarah Jones: connect us. It does let us show a curated, you know, 746 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,960 Sarah Jones: best version of ourselves. But some of the videos that 747 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,560 Sarah Jones: I've put out when I like, wake up out of 748 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,359 Sarah Jones: bed and like, come on, can you believe they're doing 749 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,239 Sarah Jones: this to women? Right, Like those actually get the most engagement, right, 750 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,600 Sarah Jones: and my hair is like and I'm a mess. And 751 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,799 Sarah Jones: so I think, if anything, it is hard to not 752 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,960 Sarah Jones: be in self obsession when it's like how many followers, 753 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,719 Sarah Jones: how many lives? But if you can give yourself the 754 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,080 Sarah Jones: how I keep saying grace because I think that's what 755 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,439 Sarah Jones: it is. Of course, we are self obsessed when we're 756 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,360 Sarah Jones: on there. It's designed that way. There are people whose 757 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,919 Sarah Jones: job is to study the psychology that will make sure 758 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560 Sarah Jones: you're on there, and guess what it has a lot 759 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,080 Sarah Jones: to do with like let me get the right angles, 760 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,279 Sarah Jones: Oh I got this filter. But also sometimes you can 761 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,480 Sarah Jones: just have some feelings and you don't need to like 762 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,200 Sarah Jones: spend all this time wondering like what it's like. Sometimes 763 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,680 Sarah Jones: it's not that deep. Sometimes you can just have a 764 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,760 Sarah Jones: feeling and move on with your day. You are saying 765 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279 Sarah Jones: you are so right, but also you are Emily and 766 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,560 Sarah Jones: you have a put You have thought up a podcast 767 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,960 Sarah Jones: that helps people understand the connections between the personal and 768 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,200 Sarah Jones: the political. Not everybody, right, especially think about people who 769 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,279 Sarah Jones: got on it when they were thirteen, and it's a 770 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,520 Sarah Jones: part of their developmental process and it's part of how 771 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,759 Sarah Jones: they see the world and forget about thirteen ten, right, 772 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,080 Sarah Jones: or people who have never understood a world outside of 773 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,319 Sarah Jones: like I'm gonna be a TikTok influencer when I grow up. 774 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,239 Sarah Jones: I'm gonna like sell this like, oh, I'm going to 775 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,719 Sarah Jones: monetize this way. Like that's the other piece. We live 776 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,480 Sarah Jones: in a country. I love this country, and there's no 777 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,560 Sarah Jones: social safety net here in the way that there is 778 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,279 Sarah Jones: in other places, right England, other places Europe. And what 779 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,759 Sarah Jones: that means is you do start to fixate on how 780 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,759 Sarah Jones: you can win, and you know, like be on your 781 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,200 Sarah Jones: grind from the time you're little. And these platforms are 782 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,160 Sarah Jones: also designed right to get people to like be self obsessed, 783 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,680 Sarah Jones: monetize that self obsession right, and become influencers, right, Like 784 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,440 Sarah Jones: they all want to be influencers. They're all thinking all 785 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,320 Sarah Jones: the time about how to be interesting enough, one hundred 786 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,360 Sarah Jones: percent perfect enough, perfect enough, but also has to be 787 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,840 Sarah Jones: imperfectly perfect. Like you know, it's and this is my 788 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,920 Sarah Jones: thing about it. If we live in a soci where 789 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,960 Sarah Jones: everybody scared and kind of lonely and kind of self alienated, 790 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,560 Sarah Jones: that kind of soothing dopamine hit, you know, routine of 791 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,520 Sarah Jones: getting on your phone and just getting to numb out. 792 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,400 Sarah Jones: Of course, it's going to work, and it's designed to 793 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Sarah Jones: work that way. So one of the things I teach 794 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,440 Sarah Jones: people is to turn their phones grayscale temporarily just to 795 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:28,120 Sarah Jones: like stop them from being totally engrossed in the scrolling 796 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,200 Sarah Jones: at I mean, one woman was saying, I think it 797 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,680 Sarah Jones: was it was a meme. Of course, then I saw 798 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,840 Sarah Jones: what I was on there. That's my favorite thing is 799 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,759 Sarah Jones: I'm like, well, let me give you some wisdom about 800 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,160 Sarah Jones: Instagram that I got while I was endlessly scrolling on Instagram. 801 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,720 Sarah Jones: But she literally was holding what looked like a clear 802 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,239 Sarah Jones: plastic thing like standing online somewhere and was just kind 803 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,360 Sarah Jones: of mindlessly doing, you know, scrolling, making the scrolling gesture 804 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,759 Sarah Jones: with her two fingers and her palm, and somebody said, 805 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520 Sarah Jones: oh my god, what is that amazing device you had? 806 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,759 Sarah Jones: She says, it's just a piece of plastic to help 807 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,759 Sarah Jones: me not be on my phone, like the equivalent of 808 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,400 Sarah Jones: a fake cigarette or a fake fake We're at the 809 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,040 Sarah Jones: point now where I think we're all going to keep 810 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,319 Sarah Jones: figuring out how to stay more human and America, who 811 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,239 Sarah Jones: hurt you. The goal is we get to have a 812 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,160 Sarah Jones: good time while we tell the truth, because the alternative 813 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,000 Sarah Jones: is we don't tell the truth, and then we wonder. 814 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,120 Sarah Jones: It's like having a map that's upside down and then 815 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,080 Sarah Jones: you're like, why are we in the ocean? We were 816 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,640 Sarah Jones: totally driving to the forest. It's like, yeah, you gotta 817 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,160 Sarah Jones: have a like solid grip on reality and then you 818 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,080 Sarah Jones: can do all the things. 819 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:29,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: You know. 820 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,600 Sarah Jones: I just want to say that was masterfully block back 821 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,719 Sarah Jones: to your show, Masterflay, incredible. You brought it back to 822 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,279 Sarah Jones: social media, which I have forgotten. So I think we 823 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,759 Sarah Jones: have a good dance going here. But the truth is, 824 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,560 Sarah Jones: this is the work of my life, really, Emily, Like 825 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,640 Sarah Jones: I've done the other things. I've been on you on 826 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,640 Sarah Jones: some TV shows and done those other things. Nothing feels 827 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,200 Sarah Jones: as good as sitting with other people who often don't 828 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,560 Sarah Jones: look like me, aren't my age, aren't from where I'm from, 829 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,200 Sarah Jones: and them saying we do an exercise where we put 830 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,359 Sarah Jones: our hands on our heart in the show just bring 831 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,240 Sarah Jones: it back again, But we do this exercise and remind 832 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,560 Sarah Jones: ourselves that Usually the only time it's normal to do 833 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,160 Sarah Jones: that is when you're saying the pledge of allegiance. That's great, 834 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,680 Sarah Jones: except when you don't want to pledge allegiance to everything 835 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,160 Sarah Jones: about what's going on right now. Maybe you can connect 836 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,440 Sarah Jones: with your heart, which neuroscience and cardiovascu right like, there 837 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,440 Sarah Jones: are studies of how that simple movement calms your parasympathetic 838 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,800 Sarah Jones: nervous system, brings you right back into your body instantly, 839 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,759 Sarah Jones: and you're kind of pledging allegiance to yourself, the best 840 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960 Sarah Jones: of yourself, not in a selfish way, but in a 841 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,960 Sarah Jones: way that brings you back online, brings you home to yourself, 842 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,560 Sarah Jones: and then you can be like, what kind of neighbor 843 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,520 Sarah Jones: do I want to be? What kind of country do 844 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,400 Sarah Jones: I want to live in? Who are the community members 845 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,560 Sarah Jones: that I want to connect up with and make some changes. 846 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,480 Sarah Jones: We want to get rid of this pollution. We want 847 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,440 Sarah Jones: to help this school that civic engagement that is going 848 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,319 Sarah Jones: to get us off our phones. And that doesn't mean 849 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,279 Sarah Jones: we don't use the phones as a tool, but it 850 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,520 Sarah Jones: means the phones can't use us. That was so good. 851 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,200 Sarah Jones: Oh thanks, I never said that before. I'm so glad 852 00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:58,840 Sarah Jones: we're recording this. 853 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,279 Emily Tisch Sussman: So I'm trying to debate right now whether I ask 854 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: you are like general closing question, which is, well, I'll 855 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,440 Emily Tisch Sussman: ask him. 856 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,040 Sarah Jones: You can decide if you like it, you can. 857 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000 Emily Tisch Sussman: Say no, I'm done with that question, which is what 858 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,319 Emily Tisch Sussman: is something that in hindsight, like at the time you 859 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,360 Emily Tisch Sussman: thought it was real low and now you see it 860 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: as having really launched you to the success you are today. 861 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,319 Sarah Jones: How many more hours do we have this question? I've 862 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,160 Sarah Jones: had so many of these moments like why did I 863 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,560 Sarah Jones: say no to this opportunity with this famous person who's 864 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,920 Sarah Jones: going to catapult me to blah blah or I mean, 865 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,560 Sarah Jones: at one point I was like, why did I get married? 866 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,480 Sarah Jones: I know that's terrible. He's a wonderful person, but I 867 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,200 Sarah Jones: realized how much he like looked the part, and I, 868 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,320 Sarah Jones: you know, I just wasn't grounded enough in myself yet 869 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,000 Sarah Jones: to know whether I could really say I do and 870 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840 Sarah Jones: mean like not just I do until Thursday, you know. 871 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,560 Sarah Jones: But there have been so many of those moments at 872 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,640 Sarah Jones: leaste if I can lift out one one thing that 873 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,200 Sarah Jones: I said no to that was a Hollywood project. It 874 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960 Sarah Jones: ended up going on to be successful, but because I 875 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,680 Sarah Jones: turned it down. I met Meryl Streep and she saw 876 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,600 Sarah Jones: me doing my like humanitarian you know, I wasn't on 877 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,839 Sarah Jones: the plane and on the red carpet. I was doing 878 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,680 Sarah Jones: this humanitarian show where I was playing like women from 879 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920 Sarah Jones: all of around the world, you know, South Asian women 880 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,080 Sarah Jones: and you know, women from the Middle East and everything 881 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,200 Sarah Jones: like this. I was doing it at the UN but 882 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,280 Sarah Jones: it was not the sexy and there she was working 883 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,720 Sarah Jones: with a human rights organization because she's Meryl and that's 884 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,920 Sarah Jones: how I meet her. Are you kidding me? Like I 885 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,640 Sarah Jones: didn't have to go to drama school and climb the blood, 886 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,000 Sarah Jones: So I see how sticking to something that felt important 887 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,120 Sarah Jones: to me, even though at the time I was disappointed. 888 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,880 Sarah Jones: My agent was like, uh, like are you do you 889 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000 Sarah Jones: have like a death wish in this industry? Like what's 890 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,600 Sarah Jones: wrong with you? And it led me right to one 891 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,120 Sarah Jones: of the most incredible relationships I've had as an artist. 892 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,880 Sarah Jones: So I think trusting our gut. I mean, you know, 893 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,640 Sarah Jones: not necessarily biome, but trust you know what you feel 894 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,520 Sarah Jones: when you do put your hand on your heart, and 895 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,640 Sarah Jones: I really encourage it. It's I do it all the 896 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,320 Sarah Jones: time now I don't even notice I'm doing it like 897 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,160 Sarah Jones: people are gonna think you're so weird. But whatever that 898 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,560 Sarah Jones: is for you doesn't have to be putting your hand 899 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,040 Sarah Jones: on your heart. It can just be a deep breath, 900 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,840 Sarah Jones: feeling your feet on the floor. Don't let the attention 901 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,279 Sarah Jones: economy rob you of your own attention to yourself. I 902 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,480 Sarah Jones: love that answer. Thank you so much, Sarah and all 903 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,000 Sarah Jones: of your friends. 904 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: I also feel like I kept like I need to 905 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: really make sure the audience understands that all Sarah is 906 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,480 Emily Tisch Sussman: the only person in this race. 907 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,240 Sarah Jones: She is the only guest on this show. Every person 908 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,959 Sarah Jones: you have heard in here is Sarah. Oh there's living 909 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,279 Sarah Jones: rent free with the prop human Airbnb over here. Feel 910 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,320 Sarah Jones: so thank you to Sarah, all of her family members, 911 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,399 Sarah Jones: all of her friends. Sweet thank you, this was so good. 912 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,759 Sarah Jones: We don't want to leave. I know so good. Thank you, 913 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,799 Sarah Jones: Thank you for having us. 914 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,640 Emily Tisch Sussman: Emily, thank you so much for listening to this special 915 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,760 Emily Tisch Sussman: episode if she Pivots recorded live at the Aspen Ideas Festival. 916 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,160 Emily Tisch Sussman: To stay up to date with Sarah and her many characters, 917 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,080 Emily Tisch Sussman: you can follow her on Instagram at Yes, I'm Sarah Jones. 918 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,359 Emily Tisch Sussman: Thanks for listening to this episode of she Pivots. I 919 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,799 Emily Tisch Sussman: hope you enjoyed it, and if you did, leave us 920 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,879 Emily Tisch Sussman: a rating and tell your friends about us. 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