Speaker 1: What's the farthest distance you've ever fallen?
Speaker 2: I don't know, like sixty or eighty feet or something
Speaker 2: like wrapped up? Is that a swing or climbuto ropeso
Speaker 2: dynamics that they stretch so you basically it's like a
Speaker 2: bungee jumping. Just any distance you follow is totally safe.
Speaker 1: Have you ever bungee jumped?
Speaker 2: I haven't I have. Oh yeah, you're so brave.
Speaker 1: Pasha Tosh Shows Show Mahalo. Welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: Tash Show. Should we do a roll call?
Speaker 2: Sure? All right?
Speaker 1: Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, he's not here? Where is he? Uh?
Speaker 2: He just had surgery.
Speaker 1: Eddie's not here today because he had surgery yesterday. Now
Speaker 1: why did he have surgery? Well, he was doing a
Speaker 1: little dry wall here in the studio because as you know,
Speaker 1: he's a diy man and he's like, oh man, you
Speaker 1: guys don't need to pay for this. I can do
Speaker 1: this drywall. And he's on a step stool, just a
Speaker 1: mere one and a half to two feet off the ground.
Speaker 1: He falls, tears his rotator cuff, has to have surgery.
Speaker 1: Now he's not with us today. It's embarrassing, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not that he fell, but that he didn't delegate
Speaker 1: the work. There's hungry immigrants out there that would have
Speaker 1: done that work for what two or three straight cats,
Speaker 1: But no Eddie. He he's got to take food out
Speaker 1: of their mouths. By the way, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this to be funny or any but the drywall work
Speaker 1: that Eddie did is shit. So I'm kind of glad
Speaker 1: he got hurt. You know, he's lucky. I don't replace him.
Speaker 1: You think it's hard what he does back there? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: chiming in with a plus zingers every time and then
Speaker 1: and then the noises that come out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: By the way, bigger news than eddie surgery is that
Speaker 1: I have new glasses. Wow this, I think this takes
Speaker 1: the show up a notch. Well, we should check in
Speaker 1: to make sure Eddie's not dead. What's the phrase that pays?
Speaker 3: The phrase that pays is hydro codone?
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: How is your How is your surgery?
Speaker 2: Eddie?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, it's quick, it's good. I think I think
Speaker 3: everything went well. Just talk to the doctor.
Speaker 4: He called to check in and he said there's a
Speaker 4: there's a big mess in there, but everything wasn't more
Speaker 4: than he expected. It's all sewn up, and I gotta
Speaker 4: be in a sling for four weeks.
Speaker 1: A sling for four weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 4: The sling that's got the big box between you and
Speaker 4: your body. So it doesn't even it looks just it
Speaker 4: looks extra stupid.
Speaker 1: You know, you should have done You should asked doctor
Speaker 1: if it's too late to a transition during the.
Speaker 3: Surgery, ask him that right before we go in.
Speaker 1: And and this this is a typical procedure that anyone
Speaker 1: has to go through if they do any drywall.
Speaker 4: Oh you know, I don't. I didn't ask him that,
Speaker 4: but I guess. You know, if you fall off a ladder,
Speaker 4: anything can happen.
Speaker 1: How high do you reckon you fell?
Speaker 3: I probably was maybe three rungs up on the ladder,
Speaker 3: about three.
Speaker 1: Feet three feet.
Speaker 4: I was coming down the ladder kind of kicked out
Speaker 4: to the side, and I just remember my head thinking, oh, no.
Speaker 1: What'd your arm? Did you just land on your arm.
Speaker 3: Landed on the shoulder and the arm screeping on the legs.
Speaker 5: I must have kicked on the ladder. And then I
Speaker 5: rang the doors, me knock at the door, and I'm
Speaker 5: still on the ground, kind of like what happened. If
Speaker 5: I get up, I didn't really use the left sides
Speaker 5: and it's still so like just fresh. And I go
Speaker 5: to the door. It's the property manager. She's like, do
Speaker 5: something fallings fresh?
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, yeah, that was me a
Speaker 2: ladder eddie.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to tighten this up. Okay, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: glad the Surgeria went, well, this is your fault, Like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have volunteered that you can do this work.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. You got to just be like, no, guys,
Speaker 1: we have to pay a professional to do this.
Speaker 3: I have a problem with that saying no.
Speaker 4: Say I know I could do a lot of things,
Speaker 4: but I don't have to, and sometimes I don't do
Speaker 4: them well when I do them anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I mean, there's just no world
Speaker 1: where you would have said, hey, I can't do this
Speaker 1: dry wall, And I'm like, you have to do it right.
Speaker 1: Is it your right arm or your left arm?
Speaker 3: Left arm? Which is good?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: Do you have any shows coming up that you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to wear a sling?
Speaker 3: I'll be in Boise, Idaho.
Speaker 1: Do you say Boise like that or you don't say Boise?
Speaker 1: He boys, Yeah, are you supposed to say boys versus.
Speaker 3: In my head, I think I am you.
Speaker 1: Don't just say boise boisy.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know. Now I'm confused. That could be
Speaker 3: the pain killers.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to the bottom of that. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll see you next week and here with
Speaker 1: a sling. Yeah, being with a sling, all right, ed,
Speaker 1: have a good recovery, See you soon. Okay, Well, that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's nice. If you think falling off ladder is dangerous.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, waiting to hear what today's guest has
Speaker 1: been up to enjoy, Pasha, I move today's guest to
Speaker 1: the top of the list because every day we wait
Speaker 1: to interview him, the chances of him dying in a
Speaker 1: horrible accident increase. He climbs mountains for a living because
Speaker 1: he has the grip strength of a gorilla. Please welcome
Speaker 1: to Sea Level, mister free solo himself. Alex.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: How are you man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1: If you would have told me six years ago after
Speaker 1: I watched your Academy Award winning documentary that you'd still
Speaker 1: be alive, I would I would have taken the under No.
Speaker 2: But if anything if you watched that film, you see
Speaker 2: me train for two years to do something. I don't
Speaker 2: care one climb, don't care. Still preparations okay.
Speaker 1: No, not when no one's done something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there a plenty of things that nobody's I mean,
Speaker 2: is there. Yeah, that's the nature of sport. But you're
Speaker 2: always trying to do something to other people can't do.
Speaker 2: Not me. I just copy people. That's the nature of comedy.
Speaker 2: Somebody that does.
Speaker 1: Something great and I'm like, oh, I should try that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me start with my first question. Do you believe
Speaker 1: in ghosts?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: How about Bigfoot? You spend a lot of time in
Speaker 2: national parks. I've looked extensively. I haven't found him.
Speaker 1: You grew up in Sacramento. Ye, how'd you get into climbing?
Speaker 2: Climbing gym? Uh huh, just like straight suburbia. I went
Speaker 2: to the gym and took to it.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to give you a little background of
Speaker 1: my climbing. None, that's not true. That's not true. One time,
Speaker 1: one time I was in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I known for his climbing. Yet he's with my.
Speaker 1: Girlfriend and she says we should go climbing. There's a
Speaker 1: rock climbing gym, and I'm like, oh, I've never done that.
Speaker 1: This would be a fun date. Let's go to this
Speaker 1: rock climbing gym. Then we're at the rock climbing gym,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this like instructor guy comes over
Speaker 1: and like, hey, Laura, it's great to see it. Gives
Speaker 1: her big hug and he's an instructor. There that's her
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, and I'm like, what in the fuck did
Speaker 1: you just set me up for? No, I'm embarrassed. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to climb for the first time in my life.
Speaker 2: Howd to go?
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy myself the whole time.
Speaker 2: I was angry at it, And that's why it's an
Speaker 2: next girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't work out. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons it didn't work out, but that one really stuck out.
Speaker 1: Were you a maniac as a kid on the monkey
Speaker 1: bars and stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did break my arm three times as a
Speaker 2: kid falling off things.
Speaker 1: Did you say arm?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think two right, one left?
Speaker 1: They healed fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, you know, h five and six
Speaker 2: does make any difference?
Speaker 1: Do you ever just train to see how long you
Speaker 1: can actually hang?
Speaker 2: No, I've never drained that.
Speaker 1: What is there a Guinness Book of World Record for that?
Speaker 2: Sure there must be. Are you in the Guinness Book
Speaker 2: a World Record for anything? I don't know. Are you
Speaker 2: in the get as?
Speaker 1: No, of course I'm not, but I would probably. I
Speaker 1: don't know because I've never done anything remarkable, but I
Speaker 1: certainly if I did, I would.
Speaker 2: Actually pull it out.
Speaker 1: Look at paid two thirty four.
Speaker 2: He was in the Guinness Book World Records twice. I
Speaker 2: was do you know what for.
Speaker 3: The free solo and the fastest l CAP climb?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, as fast as an el Cap climb and free SOULO.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You're in the Guinness Book of World Record twice next
Speaker 1: to those two big fat guys on the motorcycles. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, the fact that you don't know that
Speaker 1: just speaks volumes about how different you and I are.
Speaker 1: No one's ever done the climb you've done, and then
Speaker 1: the fifteen training runs that you did for l CAP,
Speaker 1: no one's ever done those.
Speaker 2: Free If you just counted up things that have been
Speaker 2: done in climbing that other people haven't done, then I have,
Speaker 2: you know, like dozens.
Speaker 1: I had a pastor. This stuck with me as a kid.
Speaker 2: Don't really strike me as a religious fellow.
Speaker 1: Oh my father was a pastor. Okay, but then I
Speaker 1: lived in Saint Louis for a spell and we had
Speaker 1: a pastor at our church and he went rock climbing.
Speaker 1: This is a horrible story, headliver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it love it.
Speaker 1: Let's see he was climbing with I believe his son.
Speaker 1: This is the church. We went to, a Presbyterian church.
Speaker 1: He was climbing with this. He fell a bit, he
Speaker 1: was roped in hit his head was concussed, unhooked, and
Speaker 1: just stepped off the cliff and died.
Speaker 2: That's a weird story. Yeah, I feel like it might
Speaker 2: be missing some pieces.
Speaker 1: You definitely are because you're you're hearing it from a
Speaker 1: kid that heard it when it was eight years old.
Speaker 2: Thirty years later with a little bit of a weird uh.
Speaker 1: That was really my first introduction to people that climbed.
Speaker 1: Wreck rage.
Speaker 2: This is why you're not into climbing. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 2: traumatic experiences. It really was. Yeah, No, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: There's something about climbing, Like when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you climb and you like, you get up in it.
Speaker 1: But now if I'm climb just uh, it doesn't set
Speaker 1: well with me at all.
Speaker 2: You think it's scary, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what, I don't know, maybe just you sall
Speaker 1: be more out of practice.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Also, I have always had that thing, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: if you have where you just stand on the edge and.
Speaker 2: Then you want to falling off.
Speaker 1: You know, you just start saying jump, just do it,
Speaker 1: just like the inner voice is telling you, just do it.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, as somebody who has done probably twenty hours
Speaker 2: of photo shoots on the edge of cliffs, like you know,
Speaker 2: the sun is setting and you just stand there and
Speaker 2: the photographers like lean over and like stand and like
Speaker 2: turn and you know, I've literally done hours of like
Speaker 2: peering right over the edge of cliffs for various things.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you definitely spend you know, half that time
Speaker 2: being like, what would it be like if I just
Speaker 2: slipped off this and fell off the cliff? You know,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, I was like pondering your immortality.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the producers wanted you to die
Speaker 1: in free solo?
Speaker 2: Yep, no, obviously, I mean one Jimmy Chin with a
Speaker 2: co director, is a good friend of mine who have
Speaker 2: spent months with different expeditions, and he definitely didn't want
Speaker 2: me to die. But more so, what would they do
Speaker 2: with a film? I mean, it would be this horrendous film.
Speaker 1: Really, or it might be the single greatest piece.
Speaker 2: No, people would be so bummed if everybody left the
Speaker 2: theater slightly shell shocked and like tears in their eyes. Yes,
Speaker 2: just it just would not have been that it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Why have you seen the film in the Alpinist? So
Speaker 2: it's another climbing film, also really well done, really well made.
Speaker 2: The guy dies in the end, and noticed that it
Speaker 2: didn't have quite the same success as Free Solo.
Speaker 1: That might have been your charisma.
Speaker 2: I don't think there is any of that. Did you
Speaker 2: get an oscar No, because it's a director and producer.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but they couldn't be like, listen, no,
Speaker 1: clearly your work.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, nobody cared and even the director Jimmy and
Speaker 2: Jimmy and Chai, who are married, uh you know, so
Speaker 2: they each got one, but there was no offer to share.
Speaker 1: It seems like you're a little bit bitter, but that's fair.
Speaker 1: How often do you have to continue to climb to
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I've still got it.
Speaker 2: A lot, a lot more than a lot of sports. Sadly,
Speaker 2: it's a it's it's a hard You can't take three
Speaker 2: months off. No, you can't even take like four days off. Really,
Speaker 2: I climb like four or five days a week.
Speaker 1: People say it about comedy like stand up, like you
Speaker 1: have to get up every night to do stand up,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I'll take I'll take a couple
Speaker 1: of months off.
Speaker 2: But you probably have a good base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a great base.
Speaker 2: And there's no uh, there's no fitness requirement. It's like
Speaker 2: it's skill I mean, because like I'm always slightly envious
Speaker 2: of a lot of sports, like a professional skier. It's
Speaker 2: like so much of its skill based. I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: there's some fitness requirement, but it's not like the main thing.
Speaker 2: Climbing is just not like that climbing it's like if
Speaker 2: you're not doing it all the time, you kind of suck.
Speaker 1: What about as you're aging, where's the cutoff?
Speaker 2: I think in general, climbing has more longevity than most
Speaker 2: sports because it's it's relatively low impact, you know, barring
Speaker 2: some kind of actual accident.
Speaker 1: Have you ever free soloed anything that you hadn't previously
Speaker 1: climbed with ropes.
Speaker 2: I've solded a bunch of things, so that's called on
Speaker 2: site soling or onsiding in climbing, and you have done
Speaker 2: that a bit. I mean generally you do that more
Speaker 2: within your grade range. Like in Morocco, i onsite sold
Speaker 2: a fifteen hundred foot relatively hard wall. It was like
Speaker 2: a total experience. In general, with stuff like that, you're
Speaker 2: just much more likely to downclimb or bail if you're
Speaker 2: not feeling it.
Speaker 1: Downclimb is that a cool word to say, totally totally normal,
Speaker 1: just downclimb downclimbing. That's really hard, huh.
Speaker 2: You know, depending on the style of climbing, it can
Speaker 2: be easier because it's grappy assisted, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: it's i mean, it's easier to go down than up.
Speaker 2: Really you don't have to be a strong yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: That said, it is kind of more challenging because you're
Speaker 2: leading with your feet. You can't see your feet as well,
Speaker 2: so it's slightly harder. And then also you just don't
Speaker 2: practice it as much and it feels weird. Do you
Speaker 2: work out, yeah, like all the time. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: professional author.
Speaker 1: Do you have a trainer for all of it or
Speaker 1: no in general.
Speaker 2: Note, but I've used a couple sort of climbing coaching
Speaker 2: services of the years. I mean, it's not like I
Speaker 2: love working out, but I love doing things that I
Speaker 2: want to do, and so that requires working out.
Speaker 1: Have any other climbers even come close to replicating your
Speaker 1: free solo accomplishments?
Speaker 2: There are other climbers who have free soloed other very
Speaker 2: hard things, but nobody has done nobody's even tried any
Speaker 2: of the things that that I've that, yeah, that I've done.
Speaker 1: Do you really want to promote the sport to everyone
Speaker 1: out there? Is it give an agenda for that like
Speaker 1: you because you love it so much? Or is it
Speaker 1: just like no, this is just what I'm good at
Speaker 1: and I love it.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I need to promote it, but
Speaker 2: I do. I do just love climbing and and I'm
Speaker 2: happy to share my enthusiasm.
Speaker 1: How long could you actually hold somebody what do you
Speaker 1: mean holds? You know, the whole if you were holding
Speaker 1: onto something.
Speaker 2: Like cliffhang yourself, I was just hanging while trying to
Speaker 2: hold somebody, a human like two seconds? I mean you
Speaker 2: just get ripped off the wall. That stuff is totally unrealistic.
Speaker 1: Would you instinctively kick them off your hand?
Speaker 2: Yeah, kick them in the face so they can survive better.
Speaker 2: Better one goes than two, you know, Yeah, fair enough? Okay,
Speaker 2: so there's no no, It depends on the situation. I mean,
Speaker 2: if someone is like hanging on your back, and you
Speaker 2: know you were carrying like a backpack, you might be
Speaker 2: able to hold on to somebody for quite a while.
Speaker 1: You recently rode a bicycle from Colorado to Alaska to
Speaker 1: climb a series of mountains no one has ever climbed before.
Speaker 2: No, it's not true that no ones climbing. We did all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we did some new things, but but people had climbed
Speaker 2: the various summits.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer climbing in the cold versus the warm
Speaker 1: or the hot?
Speaker 2: In general, you're better off being slightly cold than warm,
Speaker 2: just because if you're sweaty, your grip is worse.
Speaker 1: The bike ride. Have you always been into that.
Speaker 2: I've I've done two other sort of month long bike
Speaker 2: tours in the past, and then for a time I
Speaker 2: didn't know in a car, so I biked a lot.
Speaker 2: So I have like a bit of a base of biking.
Speaker 2: But but no, I haven't ridden a bicycle since that drip.
Speaker 1: How was your ass after that bike ride?
Speaker 2: Terrible? And that's the thing with biking. I was like,
Speaker 2: you think that after two thousand miles you get used
Speaker 2: to it and it'd be fine. It's like, no, it
Speaker 2: still sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you can't have a more comfortable saddle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it just chased more. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think if it's company when you sit on it for
Speaker 2: a minute, after one hundred miles, it's like too bouncy
Speaker 2: and chafey. And I don't know how many miles a
Speaker 2: day were you doing, like a hundred or so every
Speaker 2: day every day? And then we climbed in two different
Speaker 2: sort of renowned climbing areas along the way.
Speaker 1: You have no idea what like a good time? Is
Speaker 1: Jesus Rice. The mountain you climb in Alaska is called
Speaker 1: Devil's Thumb, which I thought meant something completely different. What
Speaker 1: makes it so difficult?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just like it was like, imagine the Devil's Thumb.
Speaker 2: Just it's like a giant spire of granite sticking out
Speaker 2: a glaciers as remote in the middle of nowhere in Alaska,
Speaker 2: it's historically has terrible weather, though we were very lucky
Speaker 2: with a great weather window, so our experience was actually
Speaker 2: pretty chill weatherse do you study the weather? No, I
Speaker 2: just show up and I pray for the best.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you're not like like, oh, I can see
Speaker 1: that there's a front demelo.
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, I see high lenticulars. It means
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: So I surf and and and surfers always know everything
Speaker 1: about the weather and in swells, and I'm always like,
Speaker 1: just tell me when it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm exactly the same. I'm typically climbing somebody
Speaker 2: who's better than me of those kinds of things, and
Speaker 2: so I just let other people. You always climb with
Speaker 2: a buddy, No, But for stuff like that, if you're
Speaker 2: coming on glacier, you're pretty much always with partners, because
Speaker 2: when you're crossing glaciers you need to be roped to
Speaker 2: somebody because you fall into holes like crevasses.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have to take a huge shit on
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain all the time, You just
Speaker 1: do it. It's stick to your stomach and just like
Speaker 1: like that type of Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I've had. I've had a bunch of full on,
Speaker 2: one handed dumps off the side of mountains when you're
Speaker 2: like literally hanging on the side of a cliff and
Speaker 2: you just hang on and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I got boop.
Speaker 1: You carry some continent wet wipes with.
Speaker 2: You generally have some TP in the bag just in case.
Speaker 1: I'm good. Oh oh, you're like, by the way, you
Speaker 1: still have that van?
Speaker 2: No? I, well, so the one that you saw in
Speaker 2: the film Free Solo. I wrecked that van sadly, but
Speaker 2: then I found out that my wife's pregnant right after,
Speaker 2: and so we're kind of like, well that van.
Speaker 1: Also, you're hanging from your fingers all the time.
Speaker 2: Minute I save the HangBoard. I have that same HangBoard
Speaker 2: in my new van. Do yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What about you have a toilet now in your bath
Speaker 1: and your van?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I think that's weird. It's like, who wants to like
Speaker 2: poop in their living room? No, you have a bathroom separate,
Speaker 2: but it's not separate because the van is just one space.
Speaker 2: So even if you put a little partition, you're still
Speaker 2: basically pooping right now.
Speaker 1: I have to show you some better layouts of sprinters.
Speaker 2: I know, a lot of sprinter layouts. I've been in
Speaker 2: a van for like fifteen years of a lot.
Speaker 1: Of what percentage of your year is in a van?
Speaker 2: Well? Now what in the last two years since we've
Speaker 2: had kids much less? But before that, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean I fully lived lived in the van for eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve years, just straight.
Speaker 1: You still sleep with the with the bottle next to you,
Speaker 1: the pea bottle. Yeah, oh yeah, of course. Even in
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 2: No, no, not that and the house I use the toilet.
Speaker 2: It is better.
Speaker 1: You got a care beener for your keys?
Speaker 2: No, I think that's also stupid, all right, though nowadays
Speaker 2: I don't even have keys because I'm driving to just
Speaker 2: walk up and my phone works and I drive away,
Speaker 2: And that's that's crazy. What are you driving? Ribban me too, dude,
Speaker 2: it's so nice song. Do you have the t or
Speaker 2: the s I have the truck. Actually we just bought
Speaker 2: the suv.
Speaker 1: You have a place in Tahoe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandma but built a place in nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: And do you go to Tahoe a lot?
Speaker 2: Still? I spent my summers there as a kid in
Speaker 2: the family place, like with my grandparents.
Speaker 1: Want the whole summer. Whereabouts I'm from. I live in
Speaker 1: Tahoe a part time. Yeah, South Lake, Okay, I'm up
Speaker 1: North Lake. I'm in Tahoe City.
Speaker 2: Oh lame. That's the wrong side of the lake.
Speaker 1: No, it's not the west side, the best side, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so. It rhymes well what rhymes is south,
Speaker 2: but actually they just call it the dirty South. It's
Speaker 2: kind of less cool.
Speaker 1: Is there good climbing in Tahoe?
Speaker 2: It's so so in the summer, it's not great because
Speaker 2: it's too hot. I think of Tahoe more as a vacation.
Speaker 2: He plays, you go hiking, you hang out with the kids,
Speaker 2: you play at the beach. It's all lovely. I live
Speaker 2: in Vegas, Las Vegas full time, and that's the best
Speaker 2: climbing in the country.
Speaker 1: Las Vegas is the best climbing in the country.
Speaker 2: No Vegas has great climbing. That's the thing. Is the
Speaker 2: reason we live there is the local climbing.
Speaker 1: Is what is local climbing in Vegas? Where is it? Mountains?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know Vegas. I was there this past weekend. Have
Speaker 1: you ever been't think of walking outside?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, exactly. That's it just looked to the distance
Speaker 2: like look to the west, and we'll see these giant
Speaker 2: walls everywhere. Red Rock is this famous sandstone climbing area
Speaker 2: that's really well known up to like two thousand foot walls,
Speaker 2: and then behind that are these bigger limestone mountains that
Speaker 2: are covered in support climbing areas.
Speaker 1: Do immediately get recognized by I know, periodically you would
Speaker 1: get recognized just in everyday life, but when you're on
Speaker 1: a mountain, is it just like on a mountain, it's
Speaker 1: like every single person are they trying to impress in
Speaker 1: front of you? Do you ever notice that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What depends? I mean that home crags much less so
Speaker 2: like around Vegas, anyone I run into probably lives there too,
Speaker 2: and I've probably seen him at some point, or at
Speaker 2: least they know I live there, you know. But if
Speaker 2: I show up at random other parts of the country
Speaker 2: to go climbing, then people are a lot more like
Speaker 2: whoa what are you doing here? You know, like let's chat?
Speaker 1: You listen to podcasts while you're climbing?
Speaker 2: Ever fairly and frequently I listen to anything. I listen music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like early two thousands of rock, do you yeah?
Speaker 2: Stained not quite saying, but yeah, that genre. Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: say that genre. Know why is that my first poll?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe more like tool tool?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, have you ever been to the Sphere?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have? I saw you two there. Did you
Speaker 2: enjoy it? I don't totally love the music, with all
Speaker 2: respect to you too, but I was kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, did you climb it? No? Because I don't
Speaker 2: want to get arrested. But this other guy climbed it
Speaker 2: and got arrested and now he's like facing probation or
Speaker 2: something for this, like climber and town.
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to climb any buildings on the strip, dude?
Speaker 2: Just just a couple of weeks or last month, GQ
Speaker 2: random we reached out to do some urban photo shoot
Speaker 2: thing with me, so we like prawled around and sold
Speaker 2: the sides of things, and then as we were leaving,
Speaker 2: you could hear guys on radios being like can you
Speaker 2: go check out the guys on top of the parking
Speaker 2: structure and like, jeez, but but no, I haven't sold
Speaker 2: anything meaningful there because I don't want to get arrested
Speaker 2: and it's not worth the headache.
Speaker 1: Do you watch those videos of like those Russian kids
Speaker 1: that like do.
Speaker 2: The I've seen photos that stuff yeah, it's I.
Speaker 1: Mean, they're fearless, the things that they would do just
Speaker 1: for shits and giggles. I'm like, remember that one video
Speaker 1: that that swing that they had off like an a and
Speaker 1: in high rise. Yes, holy cow, just kind of that
Speaker 1: seems safe. Oh yeah, it was real, real regulated.
Speaker 2: Well, if you rig it yourself, you're making as safe
Speaker 2: as you want.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with it?
Speaker 2: The heat in Vegas for climbing, Uh, there's climbing it
Speaker 2: eight thousand feet, it's north facing, it's full shade all
Speaker 2: the time, there's no humidity. It's like it feels fine.
Speaker 1: Your north face. Is that your main sponsor?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So wh how does that work with a spontor?
Speaker 1: They cut you a monthly check.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they just pay your salary to represent. But
Speaker 2: monthly well I don't know, you don't know. Well, goes
Speaker 2: through an agent and like, uh huh. You just get
Speaker 2: the check when you get it. Well, I don't even
Speaker 2: think I get checks. I think somebody else gets something
Speaker 2: and it puts it into account and I just don't
Speaker 2: even stress it.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. And is that like the bread and butter
Speaker 1: sponsorship money?
Speaker 2: It definitely used to be in general, that's that's the
Speaker 2: thing for professional For if you're a professional climber, you're
Speaker 2: probably making your living off sponsorship. For me, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit different now because of the success of free solo,
Speaker 2: make a lot more from corpors speaking and things like that.
Speaker 1: And do you hate the commercial speaking. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: like I mean, but you say you get nervous in
Speaker 1: front of people.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd say I used to get nervous in front
Speaker 2: of people. Now No, I just don't care anymore now
Speaker 2: I've done it. Note that it's pretty Jill.
Speaker 1: What's like one of the worst ones where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they they set me up on this, I'm taking the check.
Speaker 2: But this is not I don't know if I've done
Speaker 2: anything bad. I think the ones that I dislike the
Speaker 2: most are like a like a sales conference or something
Speaker 2: where you stand on the stage. It's insanely bright lights.
Speaker 2: You're in like some auditorium and they're like three thousand
Speaker 2: people and you can't see any of them, okay, and
Speaker 2: you just speak into the void in some like echoi
Speaker 2: boomy box and there's like no feedback. You have no
Speaker 2: idea what happened like, and then you see the timer
Speaker 2: and then you walk off and you're sort of like,
Speaker 2: I really prefer smaller groups where you can like chat
Speaker 2: with the folks and I take Q and A and like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I always just find that stuff like demeaning when they
Speaker 1: have this money, these companies and they're like, oh, we
Speaker 1: wanted a comedian, so here come tell jokes and.
Speaker 2: Find it a meeting until they pay you, and then
Speaker 2: you're like, man, I love that. I do. I think
Speaker 2: of myself as a piece of meat that gets shipped
Speaker 2: around the country in a little metal box. I'm like, honestly,
Speaker 2: for half the work things I do, I'm like, they
Speaker 2: could just like gag me and put me in the
Speaker 2: back of the car and drive me there and it'd
Speaker 2: be the same thing. How long when you do a
Speaker 2: publish whatever whatever people want, Well, how long.
Speaker 1: Would you be whether they said to do two hours?
Speaker 1: Would you be like, I'm not doing two hours.
Speaker 2: No, I could just get into some crazy stories or something,
Speaker 2: but I would go deep into like Okay, well and
Speaker 2: you know I probably have thirty minutes of good material
Speaker 2: and be on that. I'll just tell you know, you
Speaker 2: want to hear one hint of pooping stories. I got
Speaker 2: a couple and they're each insane and if you set
Speaker 2: them up then that don't take some time.
Speaker 1: What do you think of Patagonia?
Speaker 2: They're great, amazing.
Speaker 1: Are they a sponsor too?
Speaker 2: They aren't because they compete with the North Face. That's
Speaker 2: what I thought, I thought, But incredible brand. Actually, on
Speaker 2: the on the Devil's Thumb expedition thing last year, when
Speaker 2: we were biking up to Alaska, we stayed at Evan
Speaker 2: Schnard's house for two days, the founder of Patagonia. I
Speaker 2: mean for an eighty year old billionaire, he just like
Speaker 2: hung out and cooked his beans and rice and hit
Speaker 2: chatted and it is amazing. I was like, what inspiration?
Speaker 2: He's the man? Do you do you hate?
Speaker 1: The tech bros ruined the bubble vest?
Speaker 2: Like would you just say, like, what is a bubble vest?
Speaker 1: You know, like sleeveless vest jackets that are kind of
Speaker 1: cool that we're meant for like climbers and hikers, but
Speaker 1: now like all the to.
Speaker 2: You mean a down down vest? Uh oh there are
Speaker 2: no bubbles inside that.
Speaker 1: We could only call it a bubble vesta. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: people called a.
Speaker 2: Bubble I've never heard that. Yeah, downvest, I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's full of feathers. All right, you get the point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: Do you own any vests?
Speaker 2: I think the best are totally stupid. I was like,
Speaker 2: why would you buy a garment with no sleeves in
Speaker 2: the hood.
Speaker 1: They look good, they look good in certain environments and
Speaker 1: it's nice. It keeps you warm.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of vests, but like the point
Speaker 2: of a down jacket is to keep you warm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, trying to stay warm, you che sleeps.
Speaker 1: You also need mobility.
Speaker 2: Actually no, so I do have some friends who are
Speaker 2: professional optimists who swear by vests as like part of
Speaker 2: the layering system because they don't want too bulky, like
Speaker 2: they don't want too much stuff on their arms. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's stupid. Though.
Speaker 1: Are you still eating like an idiot?
Speaker 2: You mean like simply yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dispatchela, Yeah you're not.
Speaker 2: No, No I have you know, it's like we have
Speaker 2: a house, we have plates, we have all the things.
Speaker 2: But if I'm by myself, then yeah, I just do
Speaker 2: whatever the easiest.
Speaker 1: I didn't want that to be.
Speaker 2: It's the simple life. Uh huh, Well, why do more
Speaker 2: dishes than you need to?
Speaker 1: It makes me laugh, That makes me laugh. I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Why do more dishes? You went to
Speaker 1: Berkeley studied civil engineering but dropped.
Speaker 2: Out indeed, why I didn't have any particular aptitude for engineering,
Speaker 2: and uh, and I like drop climbing a lot more.
Speaker 2: You think you'll go back and finish up. For many
Speaker 2: years I did. I was kind of like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: taking a semester off. I'm taking eight semesters off. I've
Speaker 2: taken you know, twenty four semesters off.
Speaker 1: You know the number now?
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's like fifteen years. Yeah, I've met like
Speaker 2: thirty semesters or something.
Speaker 1: You respect those American Ninja warriors.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's hard, it's.
Speaker 1: In your wheelhouse. You could you probably could.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think I could do the course. I don't
Speaker 2: think i'd win though, because it's for time. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: mean nearly as fast as people who were good at it.
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy the speed climbing in any the Olympics
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually I'm really into it. I mean they're climbing
Speaker 2: forty five foot wall in four and a half seconds.
Speaker 2: It's like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look it doesn't look like they're human to
Speaker 1: be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly when they run a wall, they're back
Speaker 2: back to their order j apes.
Speaker 1: Your mother, at age sixty six and at seventy, became
Speaker 1: one of the oldest persons to ever climb l cap,
Speaker 1: which begs the question is it really even that hard?
Speaker 2: No, I mean I don't. I would say no. I
Speaker 2: would say anybody could do it.
Speaker 1: You could.
Speaker 2: You could take me up, Oh yeah, easily, uh huh
Speaker 2: with with you know, two weeks of practice. I mean,
Speaker 2: she put a lot of effort into practice, training like
Speaker 2: learning systems, learning the ropes and stuff. But then and
Speaker 2: then we spent the whole freaking day going up there,
Speaker 2: and it was a total life experience and she got
Speaker 2: crushed and it was like the biggest adventure of her life.
Speaker 2: I love it, Like, you could definitely do that. You're
Speaker 2: a lot more fit than my mom. Well I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't know your mother. But
Speaker 1: that's very nice of you to say. Okay, how long
Speaker 1: have you been married?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Six, No, I don't know four, four
Speaker 2: or five years? Same?
Speaker 1: Were you registered at ARII?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I have an old account. Yeah, I get
Speaker 2: my little.
Speaker 1: No, we registered at ARII for your wedding?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no. Yeah, I was strongly anti gift. I
Speaker 2: don't know if we got anything that.
Speaker 1: The wedding cake was it one giant Cliff Bar.
Speaker 2: I got fired by Cliff Bar, so I have bad
Speaker 2: blood with Cliff But no, no, I'm kidding. I don't
Speaker 2: have that blood. But but you did get fired, but
Speaker 2: I did get fired. I don't like the man. They
Speaker 2: dropped everybody on the team that did risky things basically, huh.
Speaker 2: I was kind of like, come on, guys.
Speaker 1: I never have been into eating any type of protein
Speaker 1: bars or things like that. They've always tasted gross. I
Speaker 1: don't like them. But one time I found a bar
Speaker 1: that I liked. It was a lunar bar, like a
Speaker 1: mint jar or something. But then I found out that
Speaker 1: it was for women.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's still essentially a candy bar, so
Speaker 2: you may as well just eat it.
Speaker 1: That's well. I thought I was okay, but then I
Speaker 1: thought I started developing breasts, so I was worried. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, I shouldn't be eating this thing
Speaker 1: you moisturize or no, no, that's that bad for future
Speaker 1: grip it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, skin stuff is skin is a total thing
Speaker 2: for climbers. Everyone's like either your skin's too hard or
Speaker 2: too soft or whatever in yours, trying to make sure
Speaker 2: it's better than it is.
Speaker 1: Let me feel your hands. If you don't mind, just
Speaker 1: you give me. How would you would you shake my hand?
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely have some calusies. They're strong.
Speaker 2: What do you weigh like one sixty? I know?
Speaker 1: How often do you weigh yourself?
Speaker 2: Like twice a week? I'd say in the morning. I
Speaker 2: only weigh myself if I've woken up, take my morning
Speaker 2: poop and then weighed myself with the same person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I do that. One thing is though, that I
Speaker 2: have to get up with our older daughter every morning,
Speaker 2: so I generally wake up with the baby and then uh,
Speaker 2: and then things happen, and then I eat breakfast and
Speaker 2: do whatever, and so I rarely weigh myself just because
Speaker 2: normally the day gets away from me.
Speaker 1: How has your sleep schedule changed since having children?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like somebody ran a truck over it. It's
Speaker 2: like were you I.
Speaker 1: Mean, normally, what time did you used to go to bed.
Speaker 2: Ten eleven maybe like eleven eleven thirty and then sleep
Speaker 2: till you know, seven or eight or something. And now
Speaker 2: it shifted it to go out now, it's just a
Speaker 2: complete disaster. It's just you go to sleep and you
Speaker 2: can and you get up as soon as somebody starts
Speaker 2: to cry. You have two daughters, Yeah, I have two
Speaker 2: daughters seven months old than two and a half.
Speaker 1: It's exciting, right.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, it's I'd say it's only getting better. You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing that always struck me was that you
Speaker 1: do don't have the same level of fear that a
Speaker 1: lot of people have. But does that transfer to all
Speaker 1: of fear, Like, do you have fear for your kids?
Speaker 1: Like you're like, oh, I don't want them to get hurt,
Speaker 1: or you just you have no fear for anything.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that I don't have any fear for anything,
Speaker 2: and I mean I do. I definitely don't want my
Speaker 2: kids to get hurt. But I would say I probably
Speaker 2: have a much higher tolerance for risk with my kids. Like, actually,
Speaker 2: my two and a half year old just learned to
Speaker 2: climb this really steep ladder in this place that we
Speaker 2: were staying, and you know, I was like, that's fine.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm spotting, I'm paying attention, you're speeching her
Speaker 2: to Yeah, I'm sort of watching, but I'm sure a
Speaker 2: lot of parents would feel very uncomfortable with their with
Speaker 2: their small daughter climbing up and down this like steep
Speaker 2: rickety ladder thing.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're there and catch them, that's not
Speaker 1: an issue. But if she was up there by herself
Speaker 1: on supervised, would you be like, oh, I hope she may.
Speaker 2: No, I would definitely, I would definitely supervise.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. All right, So you're you're not wired completely,
Speaker 1: You're not like a maniac. No, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: How much parenting are you doing? You're doing fifty percent?
Speaker 1: Where are you at what percentage?
Speaker 2: Probably less than fifty, but I would say a lot.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I do mornings and evenings every day.
Speaker 2: You know, even when I'm climbing. I think I'm a
Speaker 2: very involved parent.
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever like when when things
Speaker 1: are tough as a father or a husband, think, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna go for a real reckless
Speaker 1: climb right now.
Speaker 2: No. No, even back in the day before having a
Speaker 2: wife and kids and all that kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: I occasionally did some solas where you know, I have
Speaker 2: like a bad breakover some dramatic stuff going on, you know,
Speaker 2: things in life and I'd be like, oh, screw, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna solo this thing. But it was never like I'm
Speaker 2: just I just don't care, I'm gonna kill myself souling.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of like, Oh, I'm gonna harness
Speaker 2: this angst and I'm gonna do something I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to do. Like this is so exciting, you know, because
Speaker 2: generally when I feel like that kind of level of screw,
Speaker 2: it's like, screw, I'm gonna eat two boxes of donuts
Speaker 2: and watch four movies in a row.
Speaker 1: What's the most you've ever waged in your life?
Speaker 2: Coming home from the Devil's Com thing, the bike tour
Speaker 2: to Alaska, I was like the heaviest ever in My
Speaker 2: legs were very bigger for biking twenty four hundred miles,
Speaker 2: and I think I was just heavily inflamed. I was
Speaker 2: like just I was kind of unhealthy, like basically going
Speaker 2: hard like that. For a long time, I felt like
Speaker 2: I felt less fit actually than when I started, sort
Speaker 2: of counterintuitively like I did too much and it was
Speaker 2: like I'm dying. But then my wife called me Husky,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, Husky, come on.
Speaker 1: You have a return The favor to her and call
Speaker 1: her husky.
Speaker 2: I'd try my very best not there, but you know,
Speaker 2: two pregnancies in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Don't lie. I mean, how many times have you watched
Speaker 1: Free Solo?
Speaker 2: Not that many all the way through? Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 2: for six or something. I mean all part of the tour,
Speaker 2: you know, so like the premiere at the different places,
Speaker 2: like with certain audiences, like certain screenings.
Speaker 1: Are you excited for the day that you and your
Speaker 1: daughters sit down and watch it together?
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, Daddy, why are you so mean?
Speaker 2: Why are you such a psycho?
Speaker 1: Yes, some of that will come through, but still that
Speaker 1: that'll be a pretty neat time capsule.
Speaker 2: Actually is my wife was joking about U. At what
Speaker 2: point our kids will notice that it's unusual to know
Speaker 2: all the people in the movies they see your films
Speaker 2: and stuff, Because the kids have seemed like the Devil's
Speaker 2: Climb thing, you know, with me and Tommy, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: uncle Tommy, Uncle Tommy, that's cool. But so they're sort
Speaker 2: of used to seeing stuff on screens where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: people they know, and like, why don't you watch better movies?
Speaker 1: Geez?
Speaker 2: Well it's that's your kid. Yeah, I've been watching that
Speaker 2: and Frozen two.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna go on record right now.
Speaker 1: And this is controversial.
Speaker 2: Frozen two kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: I think Frozen two is better than Frozen one.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I haven't finished yet, only soundtrack.
Speaker 1: No, the soundtrack is not as good, but the story
Speaker 1: itself and Frozen two I prefer.
Speaker 2: Really, uh huh, Okay, Well, we'll see you when I
Speaker 2: finish it. Because somebody said the second half improves.
Speaker 1: You ever go to a spa?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: You you laugh at me for that question. But like
Speaker 1: if anybody really should just lay there and get like.
Speaker 2: I get to work once a week when I'm at home.
Speaker 2: We have this bodywork guy in town. He's amazing. Okay,
Speaker 2: so but you're not the shout out to Pat. He's
Speaker 2: the world's best body worker.
Speaker 1: Pat's the world's best body working.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for like deep tissue and sash Pat.
Speaker 1: I don't like deep tissue. It hurts, but that's the point. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want I want to I want to fall asleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a different that's a different kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Like I went like a mechanic to just get into
Speaker 2: like bas and things with his tools.
Speaker 1: I want beautiful, soft hands, and I want the ball asleep.
Speaker 1: I want to be peaceful.
Speaker 2: No, I've got my man Pat. We just talked about
Speaker 2: football or something the whole time, and he just like
Speaker 2: breaks stuff up.
Speaker 1: What's your football team?
Speaker 2: Which everyone wins the most?
Speaker 1: You're just a front runner.
Speaker 2: I just like to see excellence.
Speaker 1: Oh, look at you.
Speaker 2: I want to see about college football or no. No,
Speaker 2: but I do like that the games are so high
Speaker 2: scoring that they look like basketball games. And it's like
Speaker 2: eighty four to seventy two, And you're like, how the
Speaker 2: fuck do you.
Speaker 1: Think that's crazy? How about the fact that Vegas can
Speaker 1: predict those spreads of fifty seven points. I'm like, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Everybody's on my show gets a gift, but it's just
Speaker 1: stuff from my house I'm trying to get rid of.
Speaker 2: I do a lot of that, dude, just giving people
Speaker 2: my trash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is a funny gift to me. This
Speaker 1: I wanted you to have. It's a servant spoon. But I,
Speaker 1: my son and I were on the beach. All we
Speaker 1: ever do on the beach is look for treasure, anything
Speaker 1: that's been left behind and one day we found this
Speaker 1: serving spoon. And my wife has nice dishes and nice
Speaker 1: serving She didn't win your serving spoon. No wait, listen,
Speaker 1: this is years we've had this, okay, and every time
Speaker 1: we'll have like a real dinner friends over, I will
Speaker 1: put that serving spoon into the dish and she will
Speaker 1: just be outraged like this. It's so funny that he
Speaker 1: found that on the beach, and the everybody's like eating
Speaker 1: at our house, like the fu this was on the Anyway,
Speaker 1: I think you should have that. That could be your
Speaker 1: new cereal spoon.
Speaker 2: Okay, this I got for you.
Speaker 1: This will be for your uh, for your seven month old.
Speaker 1: This is a fun one. It just tooks onto your
Speaker 1: shoulders like this, and then it's it's like sweetish, so
Speaker 1: it's simple and then the kid just sits up there
Speaker 1: and they love it. They strap in. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: comes apart.
Speaker 2: O.
Speaker 1: Wow, you could do a commercial. No, no, I don't
Speaker 1: do commercial. I don't know how are you gonna get
Speaker 1: this home?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: You're giving that to your daughter.
Speaker 2: You are literally just taking all the trash out of
Speaker 2: your garage.
Speaker 1: Get this off the desk, please, Yeah, I got more
Speaker 1: stuff coming. Hold on, we get get this, get this
Speaker 1: match law Okay, okay, this is all just the cute
Speaker 1: clothes for uh, for the for the six month old.
Speaker 1: Oh they look at these pants a little flair.
Speaker 2: Your wife's gonna love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: She's gonna love that. And there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: is good and hasn't been worn. Oh look at this
Speaker 1: cute little swimsuit. She'll love everything.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is this is actually, this is great. Oh
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 1: Look at this a little tiny vest for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's now that's really cute.
Speaker 1: Though. Oh wait, wait, look at this. Look at these
Speaker 1: flare jeans. Are you are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Do My wife is gonna love this.
Speaker 1: I know it's what I want you to go home it.
Speaker 1: She'll be happy.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be shocked that I have nice things for
Speaker 2: a baby. Let me put all this. How do you
Speaker 2: still have all this? I thought you said your kid
Speaker 2: is a five.
Speaker 1: I have a five year old boy and and a
Speaker 1: one and a half year old girl.
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, you're in it still.
Speaker 1: It's the easiest thing in the world. Couldn't be easier.
Speaker 1: Love it here? Get this all nice?
Speaker 2: And so this is so your your daughter just aged
Speaker 2: out of all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here, because I know that you have a Rivian.
Speaker 1: I have some aftermarket Rivian stuff for you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother, you know, the tech guy in the family,
Speaker 1: he's some of this stuff. I'm like, no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: he writes these long letters to me. Dude, your brother,
Speaker 1: what a dude? Is this a wireless charging pad?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: The wireless charging pad on the Rivian is terrible? My
Speaker 1: brother writes, this path lies on top of it, plugs
Speaker 1: into the USB port in the center. Well, actually works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just have a plug and then he
Speaker 2: just plugging your phone. Who cares?
Speaker 1: You're you're resisting like I am. He's got this this thing.
Speaker 2: I'm strongly anti weird phone stuff.
Speaker 1: This goes like into like the air vent and it
Speaker 1: like sticks out.
Speaker 2: Actually i'd try that. Do not want that? No, I
Speaker 2: think my wife would be really into that.
Speaker 1: I think she would too. What is this? I don't
Speaker 1: even know what he's got me here. Removing the air
Speaker 1: bag warning stickers on the sun visors would be tough,
Speaker 1: and you may damn edge the fabric instead use these
Speaker 1: custom stickers to mask the warnings. Brother and I are
Speaker 1: the same one that stuff. I hate seeing like a
Speaker 1: big warning sticker.
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 1: I'll keep that. Oh this I don't want. This is
Speaker 1: like fits in. I don't think I want bigger than
Speaker 1: what is this? Because he doesn't like the cup holder.
Speaker 1: He thinks the cup holder is flimsy. So that goes
Speaker 1: on that base. And that's a much bigger cue in
Speaker 1: the bottom yep, the bottom mark. Oh classic, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's your call in that one.
Speaker 2: It is weird. You're sure you don't need those. Well,
Speaker 2: I know you don't need those, but but you're sure
Speaker 2: you don't want to keep them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they're gifts.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. That's very meaningful.
Speaker 1: I don't like that you you don't want to accept
Speaker 1: my gifts. You have any hobbies where uh, mistakes don't
Speaker 1: result in death?
Speaker 2: I do the New York Times Crossford every day, and
Speaker 2: that's that. Mistakes just result in frustration. Were you a clue? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was a clue like last week. Yeah, it's amazing,
Speaker 2: that's pretty but not a Sunday. Yeah. I've actually I've
Speaker 2: been a clue a couple of times in different ways,
Speaker 2: not like my name exactly, but el cap and all
Speaker 2: the stuff. And then yeah, but being in the Sunday Cross.
Speaker 2: I got more texts from friends than I had from
Speaker 2: any climbing achievement in like a decade, so it psyched.
Speaker 2: I was like made the Sunday Times.
Speaker 1: Here's what I've I've always liked about my own and
Speaker 1: the shoes that I wear. I don't have any desire
Speaker 1: to do things, but I just love when other people can.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by your journey, but no, you'll never see
Speaker 1: me paying whatever it costs to do Mount Everest.
Speaker 2: But I feel the same way about tons of things.
Speaker 2: I would never ever do comedy, Like, No, that is
Speaker 2: not for me. I think it might be. I hate
Speaker 2: I hate public speaking, I hate crowds. I'd never hate
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of choices. I couldn't climb
Speaker 1: a goddamn mountain, that's for sure. Yeah, but did you
Speaker 1: you went to college somewhere the night? Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: get a job? No, there's no no one's hire. That's
Speaker 1: why I got into comedy. I wasn't Those interviews weren't
Speaker 1: going well, what is your opinion? Just real quickly on
Speaker 1: Mount Everest?
Speaker 2: The whole guided like the commercial guided thing on Everest,
Speaker 2: I think is a little bit weird. I mean, I
Speaker 2: have a lot of friends who make livings as guides,
Speaker 2: so I don't don't want to poo poo their profession,
Speaker 2: but it's a little bit weird to sort of outsource
Speaker 2: your risk, Like when you're hiring you know, Nepali porters
Speaker 2: or Shirba to carry your loads for you, to set
Speaker 2: everything up for you. It's like it's not really climbing,
Speaker 2: Like it's not what I think of as climbing. It's
Speaker 2: like you're paying somebody else to do all the work
Speaker 2: for you so that you can tick a box and
Speaker 2: say that you achieve something.
Speaker 1: Yet some of them still die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean that's the thing. And so despite
Speaker 2: all that, it's still very challenging. You know. It's like
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's I've never done it, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's still physically very demanding what I'd like them to do.
Speaker 1: And I'd consider it as a building a gondola up there,
Speaker 1: that would be nice.
Speaker 2: We go to Europe, there's a gandilau practically every mountain. No,
Speaker 2: but that is kind of the whole. That is the
Speaker 2: weird thing. So like the south side of Everest, the
Speaker 2: Neapoli side, which gets more of the commercial traffic. To
Speaker 2: get up there, you have to go through this thing,
Speaker 2: the Kumbuai's Fall, which is incredibly dangerous reporters and people
Speaker 2: that commute through it back and forth. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of random risk. It's nice fall, so there's pieces falling
Speaker 2: down all the time and people die all the time,
Speaker 2: and so there are legitimate proposals to put a gondola
Speaker 2: past it, so you would just go from the base
Speaker 2: camp sort of like to camp one and skip this
Speaker 2: really dangerous part of the thing, which you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes sense, and it's certainly safer for some folks,
Speaker 2: But at a certain point you're like, dude, you're taking
Speaker 2: a gondola aboutever, It's like, what's what's the boy?
Speaker 1: You put a moving sidewalk. I'll stand on that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it does raise some interesting questions, is
Speaker 2: like why do you climb? What's the purpose of climbing
Speaker 2: all those kinds of things?
Speaker 1: Are you turning into a normal dude?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd say I still have some ambitions.
Speaker 1: Are you done with free souloing?
Speaker 2: No? Should you be done with it? Well? I you know,
Speaker 2: I just I don't think so, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I do recall a quote in the movie like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think it was your wife that said something to
Speaker 1: the fact of if we had children, I might, you know,
Speaker 1: want to put it in.
Speaker 2: More of an opinion, right, Yeah, I would say that
Speaker 2: my wife's opinion matters a lot more in climbing plants now,
Speaker 2: I mean, certainly, it's like more of a team effort.
Speaker 1: By the way, are we not supposed to ever talk
Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff? Are you like a like
Speaker 1: a pitcher in baseball that's doing a no hitter and
Speaker 1: it's like, don't jink. Some don't ever talk about that stuff.
Speaker 2: No. I would say I'm the least superstitious person.
Speaker 1: That's great. I'm not superstitious anyway.
Speaker 2: Climbing in general, you talk about risk, you talk about death,
Speaker 2: like all that stuff comes up all the time, like
Speaker 2: you have to think about it.
Speaker 1: I talk about death every day like constantly.
Speaker 2: I Mean. The thing is, I think the more you
Speaker 2: know about climbing, the more you can appreciate the nuance,
Speaker 2: like the subtlety of risk taking, because not all free
Speaker 2: soling is extreme death defying, Like it's not all al
Speaker 2: cap you know. It's like you can go soling and
Speaker 2: have a lovely time and keep it show.
Speaker 1: How embarrassed will you be if you end up dying
Speaker 1: by choking on a carrot or you know, like tripping
Speaker 1: on your front porch.
Speaker 2: That I wouldn't totally mind. I'd be more embarrassed if
Speaker 2: I diet felling and falling off something, just because you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, if you stick it, everyone's like, what a hero.
Speaker 2: But if you die making some mistake in the mountains
Speaker 2: and it was like, what an idiot, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of cast out on everything else you've ever done.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would think. I think your Marcus cemented.
Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see. Well, listen, Alex, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for being on the show.
Speaker 2: Pleasure.
Speaker 1: I wish you the best.
Speaker 2: I've literally never been on a show where I get
Speaker 2: to leave with all kinds of goodies. Are cool.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go climb.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Pasha.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Alex for being on the show.
Speaker 1: We just finished free soloing the Culver City staircase. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: on the down climb he died. Yeah, it was tragic.
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