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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Doug Gotlie Bando. Welcome in to All Ball,

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Speaker 1: All Balls Are, All Basketball Podcast, NBA College McDonald's All

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Speaker 1: American Game. Whoop. Yeah. Look, I'm I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: of Cole Anthony. I can't wait to see where he plays.

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Speaker 1: He's a he's a stud, he's a killer. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: has yet to decide where he's going. And he has

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Speaker 1: he has this thing that Greg has and um, it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: like look out, we'll talk about the n C a

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Speaker 1: term in the sweet sixteen. We have Travis Steele, who's

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Speaker 1: gonna join US Xavier's head coach, going through one year

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Speaker 1: loss in overtime in the second round the n I

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Speaker 1: t to Texas the other night. Kind of have to

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Speaker 1: spend some time with this here in the All Ball Podcast.

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Speaker 1: But I wanna tell you a little bit about about

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Speaker 1: Cole Anthony, who's um unsigned senior said he's gonna decide

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Speaker 1: sometime in in April. Um, he's he he's very much

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Speaker 1: Greg Anthony's son, and that he has a remarkable amount

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Speaker 1: of let's just say toughness. He's got a hole in him,

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie to yet, which you have to have

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Speaker 1: the way in which the position is played, uh, and

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Speaker 1: the way in which you you lead in basketball. So

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Speaker 1: Cole Anthony, I think it's Oregon and George Town and

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Speaker 1: Duke and Carolina and you know all the some of

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Speaker 1: some of those usual suspects. I would have thought Kansas

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Speaker 1: because they have dots and who's coming back. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna be just an absolute stud, maybe gonna

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Speaker 1: be the maybe the fastest player in college basketball. But

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Cole Anthony scoring point guard, needs

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Speaker 1: to shoot a little bit better, but has remarkable athleticism,

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Speaker 1: tremendous toughness, can play both ends of the floor, and

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Speaker 1: he's he's like his dad in terms of being a

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Speaker 1: a leader and a guy who brings everybody together and

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Speaker 1: and like his dad, has like just a remarkable amount

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Speaker 1: of leadership and toughness. There's no doubt whoever gets him

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Speaker 1: Because if there's one thing we've learned, you got to

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Speaker 1: have good lead guards. You just do. Now. That brings

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Speaker 1: us to last week in the nst A Tournament, looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this weekend in the tournament, think about what

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Speaker 1: led you know, Maryland and getting beat by l s.

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Speaker 1: You can't get one stop on the switch. Really, that's

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Speaker 1: what happened to Iowa with Tennessee. They gotta gotta stop

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Speaker 1: and then you let your hair INDs down and put

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Speaker 1: your hands down and then point guard hits the three

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Speaker 1: you get one stop? That's really kind of the difference

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Speaker 1: obviously in between championship teams and teams that that fall

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Speaker 1: really quickly. Florida State beat Gonzaga last season, and they

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Speaker 1: present um a remarkable list of challenges, most notably their

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Speaker 1: a remarkable ability to to dominate. And then I they're

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Speaker 1: my fear for for Gonzaga is it does sometimes take

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Speaker 1: I do think this is going to be a game

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Speaker 1: seemingly every time he takes the floor. What a remarkable

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Speaker 1: story from a guy was six to his senior year

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I've seen for doing person

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Speaker 1: I love Tennessee in this game, all right. Let me

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Speaker 1: even my quick thoughts on Texas Tech take it on

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Speaker 1: what Michigan has. Michigan beats you with with enough shot making, toughness, intelligence, defense. Um,

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Speaker 1: post up shots. That's exactly what Villanova did. And Texas

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Speaker 1: He joins me on the All Ball podcast. Let's welcome

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Speaker 1: Travis Steel joins us here in the All Ball Podcast. Travis,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm doing well, Doug. How you doing good? Man? Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to get to your team. I want to

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Speaker 1: So you grew up. We're in Indiana. I grew up

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Speaker 1: Charlie Miller played with me. He stayed with me two

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Speaker 1: but no, if I'd be lying to you if I

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Speaker 1: said I could, I can't tell you right now and

427
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Speaker 1: I do back then. But obviously, man, he is an

428
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: incredible coach and it even better person, and he's one

429
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: of the best in the entire world, obviously, So you

430
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Speaker 1: go and you decide I'm gonna I'm gonna coach it

431
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: at Ben Davis High School, which again I'm a Southern

432
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Speaker 1: CALIFORNI and your kid spent one year playing college basketball Indiana,

433
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: and even I know about the history of of of

434
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Speaker 1: Ben Davis High School. Uma, take me through that process

435
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: because you were still in college at the time, weren't you, Yeah,

436
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I wanted to get as much

437
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: experience as possible, and you again, trying to figure out

438
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: a way to kind of like move ahead. There's obviously

439
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: not a big game or anything like that, so I

440
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: tried to have to try to pay my own path,

441
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, take my own pass, and and um, you know,

442
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: Ben Davis give me a great opportunity. You know, obviously

443
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: it's a uh it's it's got a lot of history,

444
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: learn of tradition. Um, you know, there's been tremendous players

445
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: come out of Ben Davis over the years. And I

446
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: was really lucky. I was able to work underneath a

447
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: guy named Steve Woody who's one of the probably the

448
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: most uh most winning is coaches. Obviously, in stay of

449
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: Indiana history. But he was extremely successful, I mean, great coach,

450
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: and he brought me on and I was able to

451
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: learn from him the coach on the fly. So sometimes

452
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: I think the best experience you can have is one

453
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: thing being around it, but another thing obviously coaching them

454
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: right and and doing it. And I was able to

455
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: kind of start, you know, put my nuts right there

456
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: and there and the one thing you learned right away

457
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: because I was almost basically the same age as a

458
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: as the kids, as the guys I was coaching as

459
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, like but even though I looked you know,

460
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: and you had to be on a game their respect

461
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: right away. And you do that obviously through the preparation,

462
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: through your work ethic and showing them that you can

463
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: make them a better player. That was kind of my

464
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: path now is my way to kind of be able

465
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Speaker 1: to coach those guys and gain their respect. And uh man,

466
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was an incredible experience for me and

467
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: allowed me to kind of as kind of my foundation,

468
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: give me my foundation for my my coaching career. Um, okay,

469
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: so uh you're you're doing all this, you're going to

470
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: going to school at the at the same time, do

471
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Speaker 1: you remember what you ran, like what was your what

472
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Speaker 1: what was your did you have an offensive lost? Because

473
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: now you guys run a lot of really good uh

474
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Speaker 1: kind of what I would say advanced offensive offensive sets.

475
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Speaker 1: Some of it there's has some limitations in terms of

476
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, your personnel, like what you like you're a

477
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: college student, would you run for your offense the stuff

478
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Speaker 1: you ran in high school? You know what a little

479
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: bit you know, you know, but I would also take

480
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: stuff from obviously Butler. You know when I was there

481
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: with with with with Todd and those guys like you know,

482
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: you kind of saw, I saw what they were running,

483
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: and so I would we'd run a lot of that

484
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Speaker 1: stuff at at Ben Davis UM. You know a lot

485
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: of the ball screen stuff, you know, high ball screen,

486
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: middle ball screen stuff, and and uh also a little

487
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: bit of you know with with with high school kids.

488
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: It's so different, you know, because you have a lot

489
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Speaker 1: of a lot of times like we had a lot

490
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Speaker 1: of six ft four or six ft three. We didn't

491
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Speaker 1: have a six nine guy you know, um like like

492
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: you do in college. So we've run flex. We'd run

493
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Speaker 1: kind of versatile offenses, be cool, we kind of get

494
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Speaker 1: inside outside guys. Um but you're right. I mean it's

495
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: an amazing you think back to coach in high school

496
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: basketball back in two thousands, you know, two thousand two

497
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: and all that, like it's how how much offensive you know,

498
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: totally totally Well, I mean like, well it's interesting because

499
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: it's like even I think even a lot of broadcasters

500
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: are slow to to pay attention. Like take Virginia. They're

501
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: not running blocker mover anymore. Right, They're not. They're they're

502
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: not they're they're they're running ball screens, running spread ball

503
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: screen action. Uh, they're not running that ball screen continuity

504
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: stuff whatever that that that really Brad seemed to be

505
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: the one who came up with. But I mean it's

506
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: just it's offenses, can now some of it changed. Um,

507
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: and then Michigan State they run kind of one of

508
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: their series they run is we we called the Cowboys,

509
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: the old it's the old Henry Iba offense, the kind

510
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Speaker 1: of the two one two set. But so there are

511
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: some pieces, but motion basketball seems to have gone kind

512
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: of away. Um. Yeah, defenses have changed. Um, you know,

513
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: everybody when when I was in when I was playing

514
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: and I graduating two thousand, everybody hard hedged the ball

515
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: screen like everybody. And now you can kind of like

516
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: one hand who hard hedges a ball screen. Some teams,

517
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, keep it on the side and ice everything,

518
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: and most teams, you know, they go over the other switch.

519
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: They go over the top and and and funnel it

520
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: to a big guy. But it's it's really interesting on

521
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: how much how much stuff has changed. All right? So

522
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: then you went and didn't you The next thing was

523
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: under that after you graduated. You were grad assistant for that, right, Ye, yep,

524
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: I was there doing that first year there. Um. You know,

525
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: obviously another another really good staff there. Man. You think

526
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: they could always going to learn from the Tassi around again,

527
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: really lucky man that Alan major Um was there. You

528
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: end up becoming the head coach of Charlotte. Obviously my

529
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: brother was there as well, and then not Dan Peters,

530
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: who was a terriffic coach and terrific person as well.

531
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: I was there on staff, so I was able to

532
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of soak up as much as I possibly could. Again, man,

533
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: and uh underneath sadde Ohio State, Why did you go

534
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: to Wabash Valley? I just that sounds like that sounds

535
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: like a death. That sounds like a desolate place, dude,

536
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: Mount Mount Carl, Illinois. Yeah, no, it sounds not as

537
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: bad as as as bad as it sounds, I can

538
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: say that it's a uh not good because I wanted

539
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: to coach a you and I wanted to recruit, and

540
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of get out on the road

541
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. And and because they made a rule

542
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: that I could no longer coach um a basketball while

543
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: I was a g A at Ohio State. That became

544
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: a rule. That's that's that's spring and summer. And so

545
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was heavily involved in any you kind

546
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: of in Indiana, and I wanted to coach and and

547
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: so I devised the plan that you know what, I'm

548
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: gonna go to Walbast College for a year. Um and uh,

549
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: I can coach because uner college are no rules, you

550
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: can you can do whatever he wants. And I coachday

551
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: you and I coach it to the college level for

552
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: a year. Again, I think just for me, I want

553
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: to get experience doing it. And again, you know, you

554
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: do a lot, and you work out guys and stuff

555
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: like that. But I just wanted to kind of get

556
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: out on my own a little bit and uh and

557
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: get some experience and recruiting you getting out on the trail.

558
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to be seen. Sometimes I feel like it's

559
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: so hard again not being a big game guy. If

560
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 1: you're not out on the trail doing things, Um, if

561
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you're in and like an operations position and stuff like that,

562
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's kind of out of sight, out

563
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: of mind, you know. And sure it's hard to move

564
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: up in this business. All right. So you're coaching Speece

565
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: right that you're that was that was your team? Um?

566
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: Who who is? Who are the best players that you

567
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: had back then? For people who didn't follow the AU stuff. Man,

568
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: we and I coach Speece in Indian Lu had both

569
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: um and we had some great players that Eric Gordon Um,

570
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: who's obviously a phenomenal player. Um we here you know

571
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players ever coach Chris Kramer. Oh

572
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: my god, what a stud? What a stud? Oh my gosh. Right,

573
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: like like produced had produced had like five of these

574
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: guys that Brian Cardinals one, I know, Brian Brian Cardinals

575
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: one Chris Kramer's one. Which like if they're on your

576
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: team that you love them, they're in value. Both they're

577
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: not on your team, you want to my brother was

578
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: it was a Cow. They had a kid named Joge Gutierrez.

579
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: Now Jorges bounce around play a little bit in the NBA.

580
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing story. Kid from Mexico. Um, he came

581
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: here and he was like some prep school in Denver.

582
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Then he was at Finley and I'll never forget my

583
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: brother gets a job at Cow and seven months later,

584
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Ben Braun gets fired and Monny keeps him and I'm

585
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: I think it was that offseason he took Jogess and

586
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: and basically he went to Finley and the guys are like, look,

587
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: you want to win, take the Mexican kid. And Greg's

588
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: like the dude with the pony tail was like yep.

589
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: They're like and what they said and this, this, this

590
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: will remind you of Chris Kramer and Brian Cardinal. Every

591
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: game you play, the other team will have a guy

592
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: who wants to fight him and and it's unbelievable and

593
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: and it takes it will take somebody other game and

594
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: he just makes he just makes winning plays. And Jory

595
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Gutiers went on to become the Pact Ball Player of

596
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: the Year. And that's that's exactly like Chris Kramer and

597
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: Brian Cardinal and I could kind of go through the

598
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: list of dudes, but those are the guys that make

599
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: perdue perdue, Like, but how hard are they to identify? Like,

600
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: when you're coaching AU basketball, you love them, But how

601
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: hard is it to sell college coaches on? Look, I

602
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: understand that Chris Kramer might not be able to dunk, okay,

603
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: but you're gonna win games in the Big Ten because him.

604
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: How hard is that when you're talking to coaches. I

605
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: think I think it could be hard. I think it's

606
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: a college coach man. Sometimes guys get so blindsided by talent, right,

607
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy or he's Google athletic. But

608
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what wins this toughness?

609
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Right at this level, I mean, like guys that want

610
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: to compete, Guys that understand it's bigger than them, um,

611
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: guys that are tough. Um. And like we had the

612
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: kids Jpmcury here the last few years, Savior and and

613
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling I'm how JP was and and those guys win.

614
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: And you think of like a program and he's got

615
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: a great program. That's what they've been built on for

616
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: a long time. During that Payer, during his day from

617
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: during King Katie's days, man like kind of a blue

618
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: collar approach, and and you gotta have guys like that,

619
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: and I don't never to get Like I went and

620
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: saw so I was recruiting from my A team, and

621
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: I really wasn't recruiting Priss. I went to go see

622
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: a kid that he was playing against, and like, I'm

623
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: watching this game and this other kid was supposed to

624
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: be this highland like die you know whatever, and in

625
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: talented guy had all these hymns or offers, and like,

626
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm watching the game and I'm like, why the heck

627
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: am I recruiting active I didn't get Chris Kramer. Um.

628
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: He was just all over the floor, diving on the

629
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: floor to take good charges the floor, you know, you know,

630
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: just the enthusiasm and his toughness became contagious with his

631
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: team when you see how much, man, that this impacts winning,

632
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, And and it's not always pretty, but he wins.

633
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: But I do think sometimes cold christ and we all

634
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: get blindside of the talent. But like at the end

635
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: of the day, we just gotta understand obviously what wins. Yeah, no,

636
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: And it's it's hard because you want you want toughness,

637
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: but you also need to get bucket getters and guys

638
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: that that create shots. So then you went and you

639
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: worked for you work for Crean right when you went

640
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: to IU? Was that was that a package deal with

641
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: you and e J. I was with Colvin Sampson for

642
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: two years. Oh, I forgot it was Kelvin. Yeah. I

643
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: was with Colvin for two years and uh, you know, man,

644
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: it was a Kelvin is a U. When you talked

645
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: about it's like you learned Thayings from every stop that

646
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: you're at right and had he he had a he's

647
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: a terrific coach, Like what are you doing at Easton?

648
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: Not surprising at all. No, we played again. We played

649
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: against him when he was at Oklahoma, and we always

650
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: used to go like, these guys are terrib We we

651
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: had no level of respect for most and they had

652
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: some guys now they had they had, you know, Ryan

653
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Humphreys was there and before he transferred to Notre Dame,

654
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: they had they had plenty of dudes. But we always

655
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: just like, man, we have so much better players. But

656
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: they would run this matchup zone and they were incredibly tough.

657
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: I also, I don't know if you remember, like when

658
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: he first got the job. I come up, came up

659
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: and hung out with him for a day, did his story,

660
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: showed me his house and all that stuff. And and

661
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: that was when before they built the practic facility. UM, okay,

662
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: so give me your give me your biggest if you could.

663
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: If somebody says, how has Calvin Sampson been able to

664
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: win so much? What is the what are the one

665
00:34:50,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: or two things you take away as a coach from himself? Finality?

666
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: And he is a fighter. He is a fighter. I

667
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: mean that dude. But but he's hard on his guys.

668
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: But like the relations the piece that he has with

669
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: his guys, those dudes would run through a wall for him.

670
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm just telling it. Like, so he was the relationship

671
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to things that I was. I was eye open to

672
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: me when I worked for him, and how close he

673
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: was with the players, um and how and and because

674
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: of that, they would they run through a wall for him.

675
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: And you know, he's obviously a great coach XS and

676
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: those wise. UM, but I think that piece man like,

677
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: he's as good as I've ever been around. UM as

678
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: far as that just getting guys to play harder than

679
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: they could think they could even play. You know. Yeah,

680
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: So how do you how do you get guys to

681
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: how do you get guys to play? Because because like

682
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Eddie, when any said Eddy sentence, we

683
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: would be His whole thing was how hard you can play?

684
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: Right and just put pushing guy's buttons differently based upon

685
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: their own personalities. You know, some guys they would, some

686
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: guys they would, and Coach Sutton didn't curse, but some

687
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: of the assistance would would dog cust you and get

688
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: you going. Some guys would. We had our best players,

689
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: Deston Mason and Desmond was a non confrontational guy. Like

690
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: you came at Desmond, he would shut down. But if

691
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: you said, like we need five guys to play his

692
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: hard as Desert and Mason like for whatever reason, that

693
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 1: seemed to work. And then occasionally, if his attitude would slip,

694
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: he would call his dad. We had a phone at

695
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: mid court and he would pick up the phone like

696
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: cracks is going on, Desmond, talk back? He did you

697
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: see him talking on the phone. He'd hang up the phone,

698
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: the phone would ring, and then it would be Coach

699
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Sutton like old on Desmond, come over here. I called

700
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: Johnny on the phone. I told him what he told

701
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: what you told me, and now he wants to talk

702
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: to you and like you hear like yes sir, yes, sir, yes, sir,

703
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: I love you too. Click and then like all of

704
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, he was a new man. So what was

705
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Kelvin's trick to getting dudes to play hard? You know?

706
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I think number one, he understood it. And those who

707
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: his audience is like what pushed guys? You know you

708
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: need to be had a little bit guys needed He

709
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: loved on it a little bit more. But and I

710
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: thing that he would always do. Man, you didn't answer

711
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: her practice even if he was on a guy like

712
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: he would really he would so many love to you know,

713
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: cared about him again, don the relationship piece, man, those

714
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: guys knew it was more than just basketball, the relationship

715
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: with co Simpson, Like they knew he loved them, cared

716
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: about him as a person. And uh now I think

717
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: that went. That allowed him to go to the extras

718
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: a mile with those guys you know and uh something

719
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: that they really cared all right, So then you go

720
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: and you work for Sean Miller. It was like it

721
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: was a year under Sean right when you first got

722
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: and I've known song forever, man like you know, Song

723
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: was was an assistant at NC State under herb sid

724
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: death when my brother was an assistant there as well.

725
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: And obviously you know Song worked under Stad. So I've

726
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: known Song since I would a little you know, like

727
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: I was. He used to work me out and and

728
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: Reynolds call see him down at NC State during the summer,

729
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, like, um, so I've don't when when I

730
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: was you know, eleven, twelve years old, so I've known

731
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: him forever. And again I was good for me because

732
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's get fired, we get fired Indianna. It's like,

733
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I gonna do? You know?

734
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: And uh, I was lucky, man. I didn't know if

735
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to coach college basketball anymore. I thought about

736
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: just coaching high school then in Indiana, UM, and I

737
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: was lucky man that that selling offered me a job

738
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: as a director of basketball operations UM at Xavier. And

739
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: you know, man, it's again you learned everything. You learn

740
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: something from every spot you're at. And I think for me,

741
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: doesn't he really still how to run a program. And

742
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: you know almost like you know, Shaun's like a CEO,

743
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: you know the way he kind of approached it and

744
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, it was very systematic and everything that he did,

745
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, still development, whether it was scheduling,

746
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, how we put in the

747
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive system, the identity of our team. Um,

748
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: he's just so he's so symptomatic everything that he does. Man,

749
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: And I think that CEO type of mindset, it was

750
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: different for me. I had never really seen that mindset.

751
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: I've seen guys that obviously really really coaches, But I

752
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: thought so did a great job of that. I always thought,

753
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: And every time I've been to one of his practices,

754
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a clinic, you know, like

755
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: every practice you work on post feeds, you know, catching

756
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: the wing shot fake or ball fake. One drill will

757
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: improve your angle, deliver the past, like I feel like,

758
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: and and almost every coach that, And I know he

759
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: hasn't been to a Final four, and there's some other

760
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: stuff going on, but I do feel like almost every

761
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: coach I've ever been to whose teams um are elite.

762
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: They whether they say they're working on passing and catching

763
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: and cutting and the fundamentals or whether they just say

764
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: the fundamentals, they all seem to do it. Now, I

765
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: don't Um, you know, like I don't remember when I

766
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: was like, we didn't do a ton of it at

767
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Oaklaham State. Now we were naturally a good passing team

768
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: because the person that we played a little bit smaller

769
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: lineup than he had played. Um, but I do, like

770
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: I feel like he's his teams are as fundamentally sound

771
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: offensively and defensively. You know, do I I if I

772
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: had a flaw to pick with him, it's that, Um,

773
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, he needs to kind of open up the

774
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: offense a little bit and free up the reins. But

775
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: they play really hard, they're really physical, and he understands

776
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: that like end of the day, you know, taking care

777
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: of the basketball, getting turnovers, defensively, winning the battle on

778
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: the boards, like that's what wins you basketball games. And

779
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: he does an incredible job of coaching those fundamentals. No,

780
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: he does, man, he does. And he again he takes

781
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: about basketballs like you said, maybe wore context and passing, gribbling, um,

782
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: your work and your jump shot like you know, every

783
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: rep matters, Every rep mattered with him, and you know,

784
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: just to find the littlest, the tiniest details, man, like

785
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: the devils and the details and my ease he is

786
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: a he is a great toat yea, I think it's true. Okay,

787
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: So so so he leaves and he goes to he

788
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: goes to Arizona, and uh Mac takes over and to

789
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: some people that was a little bit of surprise. But

790
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: so you guys are like you as they're sitting a room,

791
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: and do you remember where you are when Christmas you

792
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: found out Chris Mac was gonna get the head coaching John.

793
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, I was here at Visas. So when Sewn

794
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: when Sam decided to go to Arizona, that whole deal

795
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: and I was in Detroit. That was the final four

796
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: and I came back immediately because we were gonna have

797
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: a beating. And then that's when he said he was

798
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: going to Arizona. And then I knew Chris was obviously

799
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna try to get the job um, so I stayed

800
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: here with him during that time. You know, it's like

801
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: a week by time framed in between sewn Um taking

802
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: the Arizona job and Chris Gidnes. So I'll remember when

803
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Chris got it said he was getting the job. I

804
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: was like, you know, in the office and said toss

805
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: there and did you did you think? Now? Do you

806
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: think maybe I should go to I should go to Arizona.

807
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Like what was that? What was the thought process? You know?

808
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I think the thought process for me that was, like,

809
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, number one, like I really believe in Chris.

810
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: I knew Chris is really, really, really good. And for me,

811
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: I spent my whole career here. You know, you think

812
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: about here in the Midwest, basically within a three hour

813
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: radios of of where I was from, where I'm from

814
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: in Danville, Indiana, So all my relationships, all my ties

815
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: are right here. So I felt like this is the

816
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: place where I could do the best job, um, you know,

817
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: and I could learn its been from a different guy.

818
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: Is the way I looked at it, Chris, because I

819
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: knew Chris. You know, obviously we're gonna do things very

820
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: similar to how how Sean did him. But you know,

821
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Chris is gonna obviously do things a little bit differently

822
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: and I want to kind of learn from him. And

823
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: uh now I was fortunate he was able that he

824
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: kept me on staff. All Ball Podcast. Travis Steel is

825
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: our guests head coach at Xavier. What what allowed like

826
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: as good as Dave years program had been under all

827
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: of the previous coaches and there's an unbelievable list right

828
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: like they've they've literally all been good. It's Mac. Mac

829
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: took it to a higher level. Um. Obviously, you know

830
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: you go back to last year on one seed, UM,

831
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: and you know, winning the Big East and like all

832
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: all of those things. Uh, what do you think separated

833
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Chris Mack as a coach from other coaches? You know,

834
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I think he is an incredible communicator. Um. Again, he's

835
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: another guy really understands his audience. Whether he's talking to

836
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: a high school kid, it's much different than talking to

837
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, a high school recruit or talking to a

838
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: kid that's on a grad transfer or talking to our team,

839
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: talking to boosters talking. You know that he understands his audience.

840
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: I think number one and number two he is a

841
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: he is really really really organized and everything he does,

842
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: like I'm sure he's got um practice number one already

843
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: played out for next year that Louisville, It wouldn't shock.

844
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: That's how organized. He knows exactly how he wants to

845
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: put it in say offensively, offensively and defensively. There's a

846
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: very organized process how he kind of goes about that.

847
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: He Uh, he's a great coach. Man, he's an even

848
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: better person, and I'm very fortunate to work underneath them. Okay,

849
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: so you guys win twenty nine games, you win the

850
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: Big East, you get a one seed, but you you'll

851
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: you lose in the second round, and then he leaves

852
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: for Louisville and they left the job open for like

853
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it felt like ten days. I don't

854
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: know if it felt was it? How long was it

855
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: was it? How what was it? What was it like

856
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: to be you? Because look again, we don't know each

857
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: other that well. I know I know your boy Luke

858
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Murray a lot better, um, and I know everybody else

859
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: in basketball, and I know like bits and pieces of

860
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: all these guys that that that are kind of a

861
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: your basketball family, and they're all like, Travis is the guy.

862
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: He's got to get the job. Travis is the guy.

863
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: He's got to get the job. And I'm like, the

864
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: longer since open, you're it there going, well, maybe there's

865
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: something they know about trapped right there, like there's maybe

866
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: there's something they got on him, like maybe I don't know,

867
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Like nah, he's he's married, he's not need that flo around,

868
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: Like he's a solid dude, Like what is it Why

869
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: are they not giving him the job? What? How? What

870
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: was that whatever? Two weeks like for you you know,

871
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: it was it was interesting me. I had to have

872
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: had a I had some other opportunities, so go on

873
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, other head coaching jobs, the

874
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: positions that were open, and it was funny, man, I

875
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: basically turned them down and I went all in on Xavia.

876
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: And you know, because number one, you know, I've been

877
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: here obviously a really long time. And uh and I

878
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: know obviously you know, like in this business, you know,

879
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: in order to win big, you get a bet big.

880
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: And and uh so I was I thought it was

881
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: the TUC gonna risk for me when I just kind

882
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: of put my head down. You know, great Christopher Athletic

883
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: director UM. You know, he came in right after christ

884
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: met with team UM with our players and told him

885
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: that he was leaving the rule. You know, he came

886
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: up to my office and said, hey, listen, Trap, here's

887
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: here's going to be the process. You know, we you know,

888
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, obviously respect you. I think you'd do a

889
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: great job, but obviously we have to do what's best

890
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: for Xavior and the program. And so we're gonna look

891
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: at other candidates. You're going to be one of the

892
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: candidates as long as you would want to be. I

893
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: want to go through the process. Um, you know, but

894
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna interview guys down at the down

895
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: in San Antonio, down the final four. You know, you're

896
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: taking me the back of mind, like, okay, that's fine,

897
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, and honestly, you know, and uh and Sean

898
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: Miller didn't me this piece of advice. He said, honestly,

899
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: just put your head down, do not listen to anything anyone,

900
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: don't get on social media. Just put your head down, man,

901
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, go back to your own business,

902
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: prepare for your interview. And you know, and it's like

903
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I've even told my brother this during the time Train two.

904
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: It's you know, I feel like I've had a I've

905
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: had a six year interview with Drake Ritopher. He knew me.

906
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: I knew him really well. He goes on every road

907
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: trip he's in on the film. He he loves you know,

908
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: he's always involved in the recruit He likes to know

909
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: what's going on and stuff. So you know, he knew

910
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: kind of what he was getting, but he also wanted

911
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: to see you know, like Hey, all right, what uh

912
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: what is going to be my vision for this program?

913
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: How are we going to take it to the next level?

914
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Once again, Like he said, every coach, whether it's Bob Stack,

915
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: Pete Gillan's get prosper you know, obviously sad Mona, Sean Miller,

916
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Christna every coach has continued to grow the program. And

917
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, Xavier and obviously you know our administration there

918
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that credit for getting us, helping

919
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: us build from the m c C to the and

920
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: obviously to the Big East as well, which is obviously

921
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, helped grow the program as well. Um, you know,

922
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: he wanted to hear my vision and and I had

923
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: to be able to articulate that to him in a

924
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: very very clear way. And uh, you know, so we're

925
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: down at San Antonio interviewed for the job, right and

926
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, you're always kind of waiting around been when

927
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, then I was I was gonna fly back

928
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: right after my interview to be with my wife and

929
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: my son. I got a little a little six year

930
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: old boy, and you know, great Christopher kind of said

931
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: to me on the way out and said, hey, you

932
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: may want to stay next to day I don't know

933
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: where those thing's heading. So you know, I didn't have

934
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: any clothes. I didn't have an excess set of clothes.

935
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: I had to go buy some clothes at a little

936
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: mall right there in San Antonio. And uh, and I

937
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: was fortunate, you know, I bought a little Nike half

938
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: sip and uh. I bought some Kaki Night Nike little

939
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: TACKI pants because I was afraid, like, hey, you know

940
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: what if Great Christopher called me and says, hey, I

941
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: want to meet with you, I have to look decent.

942
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't have any clothes. I had

943
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: to go buy the odoran you know, to toothlus, tooth paste,

944
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: the whole deal. Um. And then Greg Greg called me

945
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: and said said the next morning, I was out on

946
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: a run and there in San Antonio, and he called

947
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: me and said, hey, yeah, I want to meet up.

948
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: Can you meet in thirty minutes? So I ran as

949
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: fast as I could. I probably I don't know how

950
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: fast I was running back to the hotel. I think,

951
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I can run a

952
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: five innut a mile, but I felt like I was um,

953
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: so I about there and I didn't even have time

954
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: to share out to do on some of my new clothes,

955
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: and I was ready for him. And the first time

956
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: I ever thought that I wasn't getting the job was

957
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: at that moment, because I was like, dang, Like all

958
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I picked out my window of my

959
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: hotel and I saw a Great Christopher walking with the

960
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: two of the associate athletic director to the Savior. Um my, dang,

961
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: as I do as the moment, so I called my

962
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: wife real quick. I said, hey, listen, we'll probably gonna

963
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: know here in the next fifteen minutes whether I'm getting

964
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: a job or not. He's like, oh my god. She

965
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: started getting off, you know. So then I'm waking up

966
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: to my room and and Great Christopher knocks on the

967
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: door and there he is, and when he sits down,

968
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he he offered me

969
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: a job. And obviously I took that before he before

970
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: he just spit it all out, man, I was. I said, yeah,

971
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: so you're so your your first call is to your wife,

972
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 1: first calling to my life. And then obviously I spoke

973
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: with our president of our university, father Graham, and then

974
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: uh and then one of the next thing, I did

975
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, Greg wanted to announce it, and I called

976
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Chris Smack and Sean Miller and my

977
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: brother anybody felt them seem to anybody had had a

978
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: big influence in my career. Man, I made sure that

979
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I said thank you to those guys, because without those guys,

980
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I'm at today. So you you

981
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: you get the job. Um, what was first putting together

982
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: a staff or figuring out players? You know what it

983
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: was when I when I called som Miller, he said, Hey,

984
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a piece. As I said, it

985
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: would be a billion text messages. He said, like, you

986
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: have to just basically focused on three things. And these

987
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: are three things that I focused on all spring. Number

988
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: one with our current players, which I had already had

989
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: a relationship point. Obviously, I I coached and recruise them. Um,

990
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: I knew their parents, you know, So I called you

991
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: to the players. I wanted to turk flew back immediately

992
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: from San Antonio to Cincinnati to be with those guys. Um.

993
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: And then the second focus was obviously was recruiting. Like

994
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: we had a lot lot of scholarships avail um and

995
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: we only had a couple of visits. We had, we

996
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: had three official visits, and we had like six or

997
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: seven open spots on our on our rooster, um, which

998
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: you can do the math. That's not a visit that

999
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I have. So we needed players for this year, for

1000
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: this for the upcoming season. Um. And then third was

1001
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: and probably the most important things that you just said

1002
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: is hiring a great staff. And that's probably the most

1003
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: important thing you can do as the head coaches, putting

1004
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: putting really good people around you. Um. How what's what's

1005
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: the what's the is there a trick to Like when

1006
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I saw you guys rule in the year against Evansville,

1007
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: I felt like you were still trying to figure out

1008
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: like Naza for example, super talented kid, but there was

1009
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of challenge there in terms of getting

1010
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: him completely bought into what you're doing. Whereas late in

1011
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: the year, I mean I remember that the game that

1012
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of turned your season was that creating game, Like

1013
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: he was he was a different player. Um, what's the

1014
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: challenge like in being like when you're assisting, you have

1015
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: one role, you're head coach, you have different role. How

1016
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: did you how did you kind of evolve through the year?

1017
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think number one. You just gotta be

1018
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: who you are and you are and I think I

1019
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: think guys they see light through people that our fakeer

1020
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: trying to be different than who they are. You know,

1021
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: it's try to be somebody else that they're not. UM.

1022
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: You know, so I just tried to be the same

1023
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: person I was as I was an assistant coach. And

1024
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: I think we all grew as as staff players program

1025
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: this year. UM, as the season went on and and

1026
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, like Nazi for since you've never been asked

1027
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to be a seat of guy at this level like

1028
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: last you know, his freshman he had a really nice

1029
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: freshman year. But we had Trayvon Blue and Tape in

1030
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: the character and cancer guys are Gage, Shaun o'marra. We

1031
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: had a bunch of dudes that we played through. We

1032
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: didn't really we didn't play through Naji. And all of

1033
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're one of the focus, you know, focal

1034
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: points on a scouting report, UM, favory team. It's a

1035
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big change. And you know Naji

1036
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: had to figure that out. Um. You have to trust

1037
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: the offense, trust me, trust on new staff, UM, and

1038
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: I think that trust got stronger and stronger as a

1039
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: year went on, and I think he learned how to

1040
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: be a guy, a play through guy, learned how to

1041
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: be a guy that to facilitate to others, learned how

1042
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: to be a guy that could create his own shot,

1043
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, like because he's talented enough to do it, obviously,

1044
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: but it is a big adjustment at this level because

1045
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: you think about it, like Evans, those guys, terrific coaching staff,

1046
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: all these guys, you know, Creighton did as well, and

1047
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: coach you know, coach McDermott was one of the best

1048
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: in the entire country. And uh, you know, you're playing

1049
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: against really good, really good coach is a really good

1050
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: players that year and I thought not he really grewsing

1051
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: you went on and you really strong end up being

1052
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: a second team All Conference guy. You know's we were

1053
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: talking earlier about how basketball has changed. If you went

1054
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: back to when I played or held early two thousand's,

1055
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: you guys had a great You have a great lineup, right,

1056
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: You got two bigs so you can post double right

1057
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: with with Tarik and and with with Hankins, right, Like

1058
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: that's a right. It was having two bigs and then

1059
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: having a mobile kind of hybrid three four in Marshall. Um,

1060
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: but like shooting and spacing is so different now that

1061
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: it becomes really it was. I think it was a

1062
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: really big challenge for you in hindsight, Like I don't

1063
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: know if you don't take a Zack Hankins because he's

1064
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: a D two Player of the Year, and I mean

1065
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of a no brainer. Um, and you take

1066
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: Wellage is a grad transfer and Castling is a grad transfer.

1067
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: Can can you be more selective? Not in that they're

1068
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: not bad kids, but just hey, here's what we need.

1069
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: We need more shooting in space more than we need

1070
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: more size. Could you? Is that something in the future

1071
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: that you kind of try and figure out and kind

1072
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: of a little bit like we talked about Chris Kramer,

1073
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: not just picking toughness above athletic talent, but also how

1074
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: it fits in with with your your current players. Yeah,

1075
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: I think I think you have the nail on the

1076
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: head man, like that. The pieces have to sit together

1077
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: in our team this year quite all, I did sit

1078
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: together real well, and we had to throw it together

1079
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: last springs um as quickly as possible. How many open

1080
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: scholarships you you know, um, very often too. Some Tigers

1081
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: playing together at this level anymore. And you know, like

1082
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: if you do six nine guy, I usually had a

1083
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: guy to community stretching and maybe you could defendit side

1084
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: of we've done a little bit, but you know Tyreek

1085
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: and Zack of both guys that would operate fifn you know,

1086
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: so spacing on the floor, it was, it was we

1087
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't have a whole lot of space on the floor

1088
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: when we had those two guys on the floor together. Um.

1089
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I knew that it was

1090
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: our face or our five best players that's Hyrikan and

1091
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: Zach were in there. Um, so we had to play differently,

1092
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: so we would run much different stuff offensively. Um. When

1093
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: when we had those two guys in compared up to

1094
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: when we had Ryan, Well, it's at the four floor

1095
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: a nage Marshal at the flour I think you can

1096
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: get a lot more creative. The more spacing you have

1097
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: on the floor and the more suitors you have on

1098
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: the floor, the more treat if you can get, the

1099
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: more things you can do. And you know, like again

1100
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: like and that's the way the games and change, and

1101
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: obviously the way we're recruiting that that's exactly what we're

1102
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: doing now. If you can't. It's it's hard to play

1103
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: this game, um if you can't fit with the way

1104
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: against light now and you know, I think get away.

1105
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: I think you can get away with having one guy,

1106
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean special though, like you know

1107
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: there's not many Rondos out but but you also you

1108
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: also and I was you also you also have to

1109
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: be able to guard though too, right, Like it's like

1110
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: you can maybe get away with one one guy a

1111
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: little bit, but you can't get away more than one

1112
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: guy that that dead can't guard. Correct, you better be

1113
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: a a garden space and he's better be able to

1114
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: big size. And I think you know, that's what everybody's

1115
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: looking for. And it's just those versatile guys, got like

1116
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: sized guys. It's what going has had. It's what we

1117
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: tried to recruit to UM. And we brought in the

1118
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: twenty four teen class of Edmund Sumner, Um d P.

1119
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: Materia and Tray vam Blewett and those guys like shooting

1120
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: still like sized guys. You've got kind of versatile guys,

1121
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, the players you know and and uh, you

1122
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: know Nas he's kind of dick that he's got to

1123
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: become a better he has become a better seater UM.

1124
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: But like the more reversial guys, you're handling Foo and

1125
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: just changes space. It changes the pace that you're able

1126
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: to play at UM as well. UM, and that is

1127
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: the wind of the game is played. So we were

1128
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: obviously we're trying to recruit that way and that style

1129
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: of play UM, but we just kind of had to

1130
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: figure it out this year's death as a possibly do it.

1131
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: You you you took over a job and you said

1132
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: everybody's taken into a higher level. I mean, like the

1133
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: only higher level than where you where it's been as

1134
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: the final four our I'll just tell you, like our

1135
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: guys at Fox, obviously we cover the Big East, all

1136
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: of us kind of whether it was Laugh or Jimmy

1137
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: Jackson or Nick Barr or Raft, we're all like man Travis. Actually,

1138
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: Travis actually taken on a way harder job at Xavier

1139
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: than any of his predecessors because all of those other

1140
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: guys were successful. They've all gone on to bigger things,

1141
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: but they all were, you know, like when you're in

1142
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: the A ten, Xavier was far and away the most

1143
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: most invested program in the A ten. The fans are great,

1144
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: the facilities are great. You were just uh the proximity

1145
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: of players was great, like you had kind of going on.

1146
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: Whereas now when you're you took a job that was

1147
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: one seed in a league. And look, the Big East

1148
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: does not Cuson, Louisville and Notre Dame and and and

1149
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: and you know Yukon anymore. But you know, you had

1150
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: a team that one that's won two of the last

1151
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: three national championships. There are at least programs that are

1152
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: have like amount of investment. Um, how much more challenging

1153
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: was it for you than it was when you were

1154
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: part of mac staff taking over for Sean Miller. I mean,

1155
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: obviously it's challenging. You think about the the East coaches

1156
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: that are lead the programs, the players. Man he is hide.

1157
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: You can't fake it at this level, you know, like

1158
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: it's a you need dues that are talented. You need

1159
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: to to an invested. You guys are dropsic of your culture.

1160
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: But like, you can't fake it. I mean, if you

1161
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: try to fake it at this over, you're gonna get

1162
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: your back kicked and and uh no talk to There

1163
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of challenges of that, you know, so

1164
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: I know, we we we knew that we're gonna lease

1165
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: a lot off last year, um when we were the

1166
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: one season were biggest regular season chance, um, and we

1167
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: lost a lot um. But also knew we had kind

1168
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: of a core young guys that were pretty talented, you know.

1169
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: And and but but the weird things and for Xavier

1170
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: is here, we've always been as good as our seniors

1171
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: off boways, you know, during my entire my entire time here,

1172
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: and then we didn't have any seniors like like the seniors,

1173
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: like guys that have been here you know for either

1174
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: the whole time or even two years or three years.

1175
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: We had to bring in three grads answers. Those are

1176
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: those were our three seniors this past year senior. That

1177
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: was interesting, Yeah, and that made it really meek and

1178
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: like that, So we knew it was gonna be kind

1179
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: of a hotspot. I knew you could get better late

1180
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: if our guys could stick with it because we had

1181
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: so many new guys and and new guys and new

1182
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: roles and a new staff. Um, you know, I knew

1183
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a big challenge. And obviously don't

1184
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: put that kind of challenge too. I mean, like you know,

1185
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: now we were talented, We had a live talent um,

1186
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that when you and Chris took over.

1187
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: But and there's alose challenges, man, I don't know if

1188
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: mine's hardly and the next guys, but you know, we

1189
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: decried to attack because if that's just would possibly good man,

1190
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: except to have a staff that uh and they did

1191
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: a great job this year. Um, I think Luke is

1192
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: Luke Murray is going to get a head coaching job.

1193
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: What what I mean? Obviously those of us who know

1194
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: and and I know him pretty well, it's it's always

1195
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: interesting like I had. Um, I've gotten to know Richard

1196
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: Bettina pretty well. And like again, like Richard Petina, you

1197
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: would think like son of Rick, you know, you think

1198
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: he was he grew up entitled and arrogant, like dude

1199
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: to self deprecating and super enjoyable to be around. Luke obviously,

1200
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: like right, like you go up and your dad is

1201
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: one of the funniest men in the history of the business. Right,

1202
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: You're like, do you almost like to do something funny?

1203
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: But he's just he's just a very normal rate For

1204
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: people who don't know Luke, what's he like on a

1205
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: daily basis, He's just a normal guy. He really is,

1206
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: Like he is a he's at number one. He's a

1207
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: he's a great dude. He was awesome to work. He

1208
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: works really hard, really hard, very competitive. Um dude, everyone

1209
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: like the players love them, people love to work with them.

1210
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, man, he's a he's a

1211
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 1: good beast, intelligent. He is gonna make a great head coach.

1212
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: Is not a good head coach, then he's got a

1213
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: he's got a really really really bright teacher. All right,

1214
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: So I have I got a couple of questions here

1215
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: from from the Twitter world. Brian Snow says, most obvious

1216
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: question know be Snow, Why would you pick a coach

1217
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: without a personality? Be on your podcast? Your responses? That's

1218
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: a that's a great question. Uh, you know what you

1219
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: know Snow is a great great stories about Brian Snow

1220
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: say he was in my wedding, all right, And I

1221
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't tell many people that, but

1222
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: I'll put it out here. So you just told everybody that, Yeah,

1223
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: I know, this guy shows up at the at the

1224
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: rehearsal and all of a sudden, I looked down at

1225
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,959
Speaker 1: his pants. I said, no, you still got to feel

1226
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: like that. You know how they put that little security

1227
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: thing on on the on your clothes sometimes walk out

1228
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: the store like going on the hat is on his pants.

1229
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: And I said, my man, you can't come to pictures

1230
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: and all stuff. You got this big old thing on

1231
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: your on your pants like using a start to russ

1232
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: to get there. Is late to everything. My wife is

1233
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: losing her mind. You know about Bryan's don't whereries be at? Where?

1234
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: And I said, Brian, get me in trouble. All I

1235
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: asked you do be a your on time because you

1236
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: had her clothes on. He later roll and my man

1237
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: shows up with a security thing on his pants shows

1238
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes later. My wife's all over my butt.

1239
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, god, sometimes, where'd you get married? Where? Where

1240
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: did you get married? Didn't sit to that of here?

1241
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: My wife's from there. No, but where specifically, I mean

1242
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: when when you can't crash wedding the wedding is already

1243
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: taking place. Yeah, it's called green Acres. It's like an

1244
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: outdoor wedding as a beautiful setting. My wife said it

1245
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: on my head. Nothing to do with it wild, That's

1246
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: that's all you're supposed to do. You're supposed to see Yep,

1247
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: that sounds like a good idea. Oh, yes, that that

1248
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: sounds that sounds that sounds great. Um, this is actually

1249
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: from a retire fifty two to being uh uh too

1250
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: old to holiday used to have played for you at

1251
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: what I you right and then came with you to

1252
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: uh to Xavier uh and that that's the name of

1253
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: his his Twitter handle. He wanted me to ask you

1254
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: about what Rick Barnes did in their second round game

1255
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: where Admiral Scofield said he he wanted to he want

1256
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: another dude to another captive. Have you ever heard of that?

1257
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: Where Admiral Scuffe was like, no, no, no, go with

1258
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: another guy. He's playing better than me. How great a

1259
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: teammate he is. You know guys that can that can

1260
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: uh they understand it's it's bigger than you. It's all

1261
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: about winning. And honestly that shows you. I mean like,

1262
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: obviously he's an incredible player that you lead all the

1263
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: articles on him on I know what I read an

1264
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: article on him. Basically when he came back, he wanted

1265
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: to be Rick Barnes his favorite player he's ever coached.

1266
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: That was his goal this year. I saw that quote

1267
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, you know, for a guy

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Speaker 1: like that to say that not entitled, you can tell

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: you appreciates being playing at Tennessee, being coached by Rick

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: Barnes and the leadership of of that. He showed by

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Speaker 1: doing that, being selfless, that's why Tennessee is so good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now you are I always. My brother told me a

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01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: long time ago. I'll never forget this. Uh they lost

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: a duke in Here's two thousand and ten when there

1275
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: was a couple one of their Patrick Kisso when the

1276
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: players got his head split open, it wasn't called a foul.

1277
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: That's one of things about playing against Duke. But um,

1278
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: I remember he said he goes. He told me afterwards

1279
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: like Duce gonna win the whole thing. And I said,

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: why do you say that? He said, um Uh, Singers

1281
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: their best player, Singlers their toughest player. He's like, look, man,

1282
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: you are who your toughest player is. Who you are

1283
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: who you're excuse me, you are who your best player is.

1284
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: He was asking any coach you are who think think

1285
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: about every team you've been on, whatever your whatever your

1286
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: best players personality is, that's what your team is, right,

1287
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: And he's like, Kyle Singler, tough motherfucker. Like he just

1288
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: he just he will not he will them to win.

1289
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: He'll guard you even though he can't move his feet,

1290
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: and he'll keep you in front. He'll battle you forever

1291
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: board like he's their best player. That's all the other

1292
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: guys fall in line. And Admiral Skullfield reminds me like

1293
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: Adamir Skullfield is tough, smart, selfless, respectful, right that and

1294
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: and and kind of a guy who brings everybody together.

1295
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: And that's who their team is. Is that fair? Yep?

1296
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: That's why they're good. Um okay, produced taken on Tennessee.

1297
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: And I know you grew up as an EU guy, right,

1298
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: And I love what Painters done with this team is amazing,

1299
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 1: Like losing forced orders and I mean for really really

1300
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: good players, and now they have guys that just fit

1301
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of rolls perfectly. I do feel like that gets exposed.

1302
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: Like Grady Efford is a great kid and a great

1303
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: story and I hope his brother comes back healthy. Um

1304
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: for the you see, I think I think the Bengals

1305
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: did actually resign him, but I I just feel like

1306
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: that's a mismatch for Tennessee. How do you when you're

1307
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: preparing for a game and you're like, for example, in

1308
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: this particular game like Admiral Schofield against Grady Eiffort. That

1309
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: feels like a bad mismatch. I saw Jordan Murphy really

1310
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: take it to Perdue at the Big Ten Tournament kind

1311
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: of same reason. They were just finding out who Effort

1312
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: was guarding, and that's they were going right at him athletically.

1313
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: How do you try and how do you try and

1314
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: cover that up? Yeah? I think you know we we

1315
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: try to do it with Ryan well this year every

1316
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: game it was like how do how do we try

1317
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: to hide him a little bit? Maybe? Um, you know,

1318
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: you got to figure out again, like what do you

1319
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: what are you trying to take away from Tennessee? You know,

1320
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: like what what are you going to take? Because they

1321
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: got they got a lot of great players. I mean

1322
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: Bones a terrific player obviously, Animals a great player, Grant

1323
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: Willains a great player. Um, they got a lot of guys.

1324
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to take something away. I think

1325
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: that's where it starts. You know, what do you want

1326
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: to take away? And maybe it is that I don't

1327
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you can switch his ball

1328
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: screens and the and they is you gotta try to

1329
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: post you so you gotta trap when he goes to

1330
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: the post um, you know you're gonna play a little

1331
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: bit of his zone to hide the specific guys like

1332
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, like we try to hide Ryan well as

1333
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: as much as possible on the defensive, and we plays,

1334
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of two three zone so people

1335
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: could not pick on him. We would not switch any

1336
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: ball strings with him either. We try to find a matchup.

1337
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a guy you know that wasn't setting

1338
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: ball strings, so like we put Ryan on that guy

1339
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't so we could switch the other ones,

1340
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Um. You know, so you got

1341
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: to try to get as creative as possible to hide

1342
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: certain guys and obviously expl so you don't get exploited

1343
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: mismatch wise. Um. But then offensively, I think he was

1344
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of get you know what the weaknesses. You know,

1345
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: what do you want to attack how guarden ball screens?

1346
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: How does how does guard the post um? You know

1347
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: they a team that that that you know, floods to

1348
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: the ball on penetration, they stay at home a little

1349
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: bit more, you know what I mean? You start to

1350
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: look how could you attack them on that end as well? Um,

1351
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: it'll be a heck of the game. And you've got

1352
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: two great coaches in that day now um with Barnes

1353
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: and paying Um. Yeah, he's very, very, very good teams.

1354
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about about Michigan, and I'm

1355
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: asking you because you've coached against Villanova and Villanova. There's

1356
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: a lot of similarities in terms of defensive style. Right.

1357
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to the Texas Tech guys and

1358
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: they're like, how do we beat these guys? And I said, well, like, look,

1359
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: last year, if you would have made layups against Villanova,

1360
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: you could have been you know, they gave Villan over

1361
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: their best game in the tournament. And he's like and

1362
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: and Beard and a couple of assistants are like, they're

1363
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: so physical. I said, well, that's exactly how Michigan plays.

1364
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: Michigan's fourth viewest fouls in college basketball. They value you,

1365
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: but they don't get called for fouls because they use

1366
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: their lower body and they do they really really load

1367
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: up on the basketball. And for listen, if you're listening

1368
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: to this podcast, you know this. You're kind of a

1369
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: basketball guy. But that's you know, it's it's when you

1370
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: talk about flooding. I don't know if you call it

1371
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: flooding the lane or whatever. They I've always been told,

1372
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: load into the basketball, what's what's the best. So how

1373
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: do you how do you beat that offensively because you've

1374
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: so many times and had success against it, more at

1375
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: home obviously than than in Philadelphia against Villanova, you know,

1376
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: I think I think number one because, like you said,

1377
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: like Michigan keeps it really tight on the floor, you know,

1378
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: like with because they have a big kid teskey, right

1379
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: and they try to give beer back or drop you know,

1380
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, ball stream dec into cupboage,

1381
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: and and they keep him keep got to keep him

1382
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: in the paint. So he's a rim protector. And I

1383
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: think again, you've gotta find ways to get teams in rotation.

1384
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: I think when you simplifile offense, I think any good

1385
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: offense is broken down to how you can you force

1386
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,839
Speaker 1: rotation if you're forced to close out right. And because Michigan,

1387
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: if you watch them again, I've watched them casually, I

1388
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: have not really studied them this year. They they they

1389
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: are they have a lot of short clothes out right,

1390
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: They're never really in full rotation, you know, But you've

1391
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: got to try. That's the same thing with like Villanova, Villanovo,

1392
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 1: switched a lot of ball screens of the veer back

1393
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 1: or drops, so they're not rotation ball screen defense wise,

1394
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: and I think you've got to get them in rotation.

1395
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: You know, that's the key because you think about the

1396
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: guards that they have, whether it's Davior sens In or

1397
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Pool, they've got some guards that can move there.

1398
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: So if it's just a one on one battle, that's

1399
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: the dantage of Michigan Um everybody. As you know, like

1400
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: if we're just if if you're and I were just

1401
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: playing one on one at the top of the key,

1402
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: you probably beating either way. But if it would be

1403
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: a lot easier to drive me if I was closing

1404
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: out on you from tint right, Well, I I always thought,

1405
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, I saw Michigan State they use a lot

1406
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: of skip passes and and the thing they didn't use

1407
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: as flare screens as well. I like, I like flare

1408
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: screens or fade screens, whatever you guys call it. The ball. Yeah,

1409
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: hunt when you're saying, when they're loading, you could a ball.

1410
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: You got a pen of man, you know, and then

1411
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: skip and you can play and then they can see

1412
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: that close out. So you always a them as a

1413
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: coach and my at least I do offensively. How can

1414
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: we create clothes outs, How can we create a long

1415
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: rotation and then you can play and then we're to

1416
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: drive kick playing basketball, you know, just like you've done

1417
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: since and since our guys are in fifth grade, and

1418
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: and uh, you know so I think you're exactly right.

1419
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: And depending on on the weak side, it's really really

1420
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: good against a team like that. And you have to

1421
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: know when you drive the ball against a team like Michigan,

1422
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: you really have to move without the ball, and you've

1423
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: gotta do a great job moving afthenetration, getting the open spots,

1424
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: being that being ready to drive and kick because they're

1425
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: going to be physical. And if they don't help then

1426
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: and they stay at home, you better be. You better

1427
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: play off two feet, you know, like you can't. It

1428
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: isn't I would tell you plenty of Michigan is not

1429
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: a one ft game. You better play off a two

1430
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: feet and you better be physical. Um, and you gotta

1431
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: play through contact. Like you said, they don't get caught

1432
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: for fouth and they do a great job of being

1433
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: legal and using the lower body and showing their hands

1434
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: than one of the best that in college basketball alright,

1435
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: three more than I know you got you gotta go,

1436
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: you gotta to live. Uh and and a program, a

1437
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: program to take care of um. What what was? What

1438
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: was the Was there a moment this year where you're

1439
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 1: driving home from the arena and it felt it felt

1440
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: real right like I don't know if it's the nova win. Uh.

1441
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: Was there a moment when you drove home You're like, yeah,

1442
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: this is this is what it's. This is what I've been.

1443
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: You've been waiting your whole life to be a head coach.

1444
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: The first head coaching gig you get is a good one,

1445
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: but a challenging one losing to two thousand points scores.

1446
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if there's a moment where you remember

1447
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: driving home going there, or or your moment you're on

1448
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: the sideline when you look down you see j or

1449
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: you the cratering overtime win, or even even a loss

1450
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: where you're looking down at Georgetown you're like pat, you

1451
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: wings down at the other sideline. Was there a moment

1452
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: where it clicked in how real this actually is? You know,

1453
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't getting that, but you know at Begain, like

1454
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: I would say the moment I was you want obviously

1455
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: they want to national titles in the last three years, right,

1456
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: A terrific coach and and uh and you're you're competing

1457
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: against him, you know, and it's like, man, there's a

1458
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: that's when it becomes real. And I tell when it

1459
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: became really real for me. Does last year last spring

1460
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: were at the biggest meetings all of a sudden, It's like, hey,

1461
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: get today right in there, you got Pat Nearing, get

1462
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: Chrismaul and you got all these guys. It's like it's real.

1463
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: And it's like, man, you start comparing your roster to

1464
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: their roster, and you know it's like, man, hey, this

1465
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: is what we gotta get, man, Like, we gotta get

1466
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: this thing to the next level. Um, that's when that was.

1467
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: That was probably the first moment that the biggiest meetings

1468
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: last made just that sense of vert and then you

1469
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: gotta go time man, And is is that if there's

1470
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: one thing you could change about your job or about

1471
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: college basketball? What would it be one thing I would change?

1472
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: You know what? Um kids, we just played. I'm gonna

1473
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: give you a rule as far as the game goes.

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Speaker 1: I think moving the three point line ask would be

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Speaker 1: great because we just played it with n I T rules, right.

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Speaker 1: I just think the more spacing on the floor the better.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're gonna see even higher scoring games

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: when that happens. I think eventually you'll do it. I

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Speaker 1: would think, Um, I think you know they always use

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Speaker 1: then I T is kind of the experimental or whatever,

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, like we'll test. I think that that that

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01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: would be a good rule chance. I like that one

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Speaker 1: I got, I got one for you. I like the

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Speaker 1: I would like the elimination of basket interference, not goaltending. Okay,

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: goaltending is still goaltending. But when the ball is on

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: the rim, why can't you compete for it? You can

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01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: hit it off like and and what people don't understand. Yeah,

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01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: like if you ever coached when in those rules on

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01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: a second free throw balls roll around, you could tip

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: it out. On the other hand, if you tip it

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01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: an actualent roulls in, it's actually two points not one point. Yeah.

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: I like it, um all right. Last thing, I know

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 1: you're you're excited because you're you have an unbelievable recruiting

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: class and you've had more time. How old Xavier look

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: differently last year next year from this year? You know,

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Speaker 1: I say, I think we started to be this way

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01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. I thought we were

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a really good defensive team, really good, and

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01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: we better be a top You know. It's funny, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big tin Pomeroy guy. As far as all

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: the rankings go and stuff like it, if we would

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01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: have over the last eleven games, we would have been

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01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: ranked as the twenty eight best defense in the country. Um.

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01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: You know, if we just took the last eleven games

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: of our season and we played against all intil A

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01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: tournament or n I T teams, no, our defense got

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: a lot better. Man. I think with the guys who

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: were bringing in, we're going to be a tough, nasty

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: team on defense. And then now I want to share

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01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: the ball on the offensive ent. You're going to the

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01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: final four, you stay at home. I am not going

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: all the way. I'm going as if we when when

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01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: we get ze So I'm not You're literally never You're

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01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: never going again until you until you go as a participant. Yeah,

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I had to go last year.

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01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: I had to get a job. I usually. Yeah, you

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: told us you went and bought but bought a pair

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: of khakis. Have you saved. Those khakis. Are those special

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01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: khakis like that? Those only is the job accepting khakis?

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01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: Are they like everyday khakis? You never again? I still

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: have them, I still wear them. Good luck, good luck there. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, and I love I have

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: so much respect for the grind that's gotten you to

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01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: where you've gotten. And uh, like I said, we don't

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01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: know each other well, but everybody I know swears on you,

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01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: so swears by you. So congrats on what I what

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: I actually thought was an outstanding first year, not just

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: because of how it finished, but because hey, a lot

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: of guys would have if I would have come up

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01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: to you midyear, they would have said, ah f these guys,

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01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't like this team. Wait till next year or whatever.

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: You did, and you kept fighting and grinding and got

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: those guys you know, they advanced him in the n

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01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: I t little bit. Which that that's what it's about,

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01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: getting the most out of what you have and and

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: looking forward towards the next year. So congratulations, and thank

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01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Thank you all right,

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01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for all ball all enjoy the

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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen. Continue to tweet me out all of your questions.

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01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: We'll get into next week, plus will be at the

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: final four next week for the radio show. The Radio Show,

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Speaker 1: also have a serious x M channel. I think it's

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Speaker 1: two seventeen and two oh three. Check that out in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, hope you enjoyed this podcast. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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