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Speaker 1: There are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of my Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative, I'm bridget tout

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Speaker 1: and this is there are no girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: So it turns out it's not just you. I feel

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Speaker 1: like Instagram has been pretty not fun lately. Images on

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Speaker 1: my grid looked terrible. I hardly ever see pictures from

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Speaker 1: the people I actually want to get updates from my

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Speaker 1: in real life friends, cool creators that I intentionally followed

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Speaker 1: on Instagram so that I would see their posts, I

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Speaker 1: almost never see them, And actually I hardly ever see

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Speaker 1: photos on Instagram at all. What I do see are

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Speaker 1: tons of reels short video clips from creators and influencers

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Speaker 1: that I don't follow and have never interacted with. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just my feed, but it's

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Speaker 1: usually not even reels about things that actually interest me,

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Speaker 1: Like I get a lot of reels about cleaning hacks

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Speaker 1: and different eating tactics that people are using, and anyone

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Speaker 1: who knows me knows that I am not interested in cleaning.

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Speaker 1: I am a total slub, although maybe that's just the

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Speaker 1: algorithm kind of shadily trying to tell me something. And

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Speaker 1: it's also clear that a lot of these reels are

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Speaker 1: just repurposed videos from TikTok, oftentimes one that I've already

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Speaker 1: seen on TikTok making its way to Instagram weeks later.

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Speaker 1: I also see tons of sponsored reels that are just

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Speaker 1: video advertisements, and I see a lot of the same

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Speaker 1: kinds of video advertisements in my Instagram stories too. So

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Speaker 1: if you have noticed this, you are not alone, and

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Speaker 1: the ever powerful Kardashians have noticed it too. This week,

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian and Kylie Jenner posted a meme reading, make

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Speaker 1: Instagram Instagram again. Stop trying to be TikTok. I just

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Speaker 1: want to see cute photos of my friends and celebrities

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Speaker 1: like the Kardashians had historically had a pretty big influence

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Speaker 1: in the way that social media platforms are run. In February,

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Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner posted a tweet to her then twenty were

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Speaker 1: point five million followers saying that Snapchat was basically over.

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Speaker 1: She tweeted, so does anyone else not even open Snapchat anymore?

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Speaker 1: Or is it just me? This is so sad? And

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Speaker 1: just one day later, Snapchat shares had plummeted by six percent,

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Speaker 1: and within a week, Snapchat had lost about one point

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Speaker 1: three billion dollars, and back when Snapchat featured an offensive

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Speaker 1: advertisement made by a third party that asked users whether

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Speaker 1: they'd rather slap Rihanna or punch Chris Brown. You'll remember

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Speaker 1: that Chris Brown was dating Rihanna and physically attacked her.

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Speaker 1: Snapchat apologized, but Rihanna was not having it. She responded, saying,

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Speaker 1: you spent money to animate something that would intentionally bring

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Speaker 1: shame to domestic violence victims and make a joke of it.

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Speaker 1: This isn't about my personal feelings, because I don't have

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Speaker 1: much of them, but all the women, children, and men

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Speaker 1: who have been victims of domestic violence in the past,

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Speaker 1: and especially the ones that haven't made it out yet.

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Speaker 1: You let us down. Shame on. You throw the whole

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Speaker 1: appology away, And people listened, and they really did throw

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Speaker 1: the whole app away. This whole thing ended up costing

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Speaker 1: Snapchat about eight hundred million dollars according to Vanity Fair.

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Speaker 1: So there is definitely a precedent for big celebrities having

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Speaker 1: a very real influence over social media platforms, which is

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Speaker 1: probably why the very next day, the head of Instagram

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Speaker 1: at A. Mossy, rushed to respond to the Kardashian criticisms

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Speaker 1: reporter at The New York Times, pointed out that Mossy

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Speaker 1: usually posts recaps or updates about what's happening with Instagram

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Speaker 1: at the end of the week, but this time he

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Speaker 1: Kardashians posts, Max said that he would not be surprised

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Speaker 1: So let's get into his response, which frankly wasn't great. First,

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Speaker 1: really tells you something that he needed to use a

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Speaker 1: completely different platform to explain the changes, but in any event,

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Speaker 1: basically he said, we know you hate what's going on

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Speaker 1: we're not going to change it. A big complaint is

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Speaker 1: that photos, which was initially the purpose of Instagram in

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Speaker 1: you've noticed that images that you've been posted on Instagram

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to lean into that shift while

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Speaker 1: continuing to support photos. The third thing I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about is recommendations. Recommendations are posts in your feed

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Speaker 1: to help you discovered new and interesting things on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: seeing things in your feed that are recommendations, that you're

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Speaker 1: not interested in. That means that we're doing a bad

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Speaker 1: job ranking and we need to improve, And you can

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Speaker 1: ex out for recommendation. You can even snooze all recommendations

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Speaker 1: for up to a month or go to your following feed.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna continue to try and get better at

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Speaker 1: recommendations because we think it's one of the most effective

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Speaker 1: I hate, hate, hate that reasoning, because first, they basically

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Speaker 1: So then turning around and claiming, oh, video it's just

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Speaker 1: Doesn't really work. And Instagram really has gone out of

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Speaker 1: their way to tell creators that they must be making

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Speaker 1: Let's take a little ship down memory lane. Facebook has

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Speaker 1: a clear documented history of inflating metrics to benefit their

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Speaker 1: impact and harm this cause to actual people. People lost

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Speaker 1: their jobs and previously independent media outlets like College Humor

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Speaker 1: Facebook's punishment for doing all this, well, I told you

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Speaker 1: idea because the revenue impact would be significant. Oh or

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Speaker 1: how about when Facebook decided to get into podcasts back

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Speaker 1: so yeah, definitely trust what Facebook says about how users

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Speaker 1: And it does just feel like we're all behold into

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Speaker 1: Then to compete with Snapchat, they started stories, and when

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Speaker 1: you use instagram Ms following tab, which will show you

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Speaker 1: you hate it? I really want to know. Hit me

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Speaker 1: up on social media, yep, even on Instagram. My handle

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Speaker 1: is Bridget Marie in d C or shoot me and

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