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Speaker 6: you the very best in Cowboys news, notes and analysis
Speaker 6: during this next forty five minutes. Today, we're going to
Speaker 6: start with some rule changes NFL had their owners meetings.
Speaker 6: There were quite a few rules changes, and I want
Speaker 6: to run through them with you guys and get your
Speaker 6: opinions on them. Some of the different rules changes that
Speaker 6: were proposed were tabled. I want to get your opinions
Speaker 6: on those as well, and then we'll get back into
Speaker 6: some of our position analysis, our position breakdown that we
Speaker 6: started last week with Today, we're going to focus in
Speaker 6: on safety and wide receiver. Both those two I think
Speaker 6: are pretty interesting and have some interesting things for the
Speaker 6: Cowboys from the standpoint of where they are and where
Speaker 6: they need to be when the season begins. So let's
Speaker 6: jump in. Let's start first with some of the rules changes.
Speaker 6: I think the first one that jumped out at me
Speaker 6: was the change to the overtime rules as it stands. Basically,
Speaker 6: I think the the original rule, the rule that they've
Speaker 6: been playing by it before, they had one rule for
Speaker 6: the regular season, one rule for the postseason. They've now
Speaker 6: basically said, we're gonna make the one that we use
Speaker 6: in the postseason the regular season rule with one modification.
Speaker 6: So essentially, both teams will get a possession in overtime,
Speaker 6: they'll be guaranteed a possession in overtime. But he was
Speaker 6: the interesting kicker. And I've never heard this being discussed before.
Speaker 6: It sounds like they're going to reduce the overtime from
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes down to ten minutes, yes, which I think
Speaker 6: is pretty significant. And to start thinking about it from
Speaker 6: from the standpoint of if you hit that ten minute
Speaker 6: mark and there's still is a tie, you now have
Speaker 6: a tie on your record. How do you like it
Speaker 6: or dislike this this new rule?
Speaker 3: I think that you know, the league is doing their
Speaker 3: best to try and kind of figure these rules out.
Speaker 3: Stephen Jones plays a significant role on the Competition Committee,
Speaker 3: and I think Steven does have the best interest of
Speaker 3: the game in heart, and you know, when you talk
Speaker 3: to him about it, it's something he takes very seriously.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think you know, as a fan,
Speaker 3: you just want want your team to have the best
Speaker 3: opportunity in overtime. We've seen so many times when you know,
Speaker 3: we've seen reactions of you know, of quarterbacks at Baker
Speaker 3: Mayfield when they're playing Kansas City and they go to
Speaker 3: overtime and they lose the flip and his reaction to
Speaker 3: it is, oh my gosh, we just gave the ball
Speaker 3: to Patrick mahomes and we're done, you know, and and
Speaker 3: and that's and that's a reaction we have as fans, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're done. Uh so yeah, the fact that they're they're
Speaker 3: going to the what the playoff rules, I think is
Speaker 3: a is a good a good measure if you have ties.
Speaker 3: The things that are always interesting about ties, guys, is
Speaker 3: that at the end of the year sometimes they play
Speaker 3: into factor of deciding playoff spots and maybe keeping a
Speaker 3: team eligible or knocking a team out. So you know,
Speaker 3: there was a time, way before you guys were born,
Speaker 3: when I was watching football that ties were part of
Speaker 3: the game. So yeah, it's but the fact that each
Speaker 3: team gets a possession and uh you know, but there
Speaker 3: may be some you know, think about this also too.
Speaker 3: You score, but you take all the clock and you
Speaker 3: really don't give any other team an opportunity. That's something
Speaker 3: that could be really, really a very a painful thing
Speaker 3: for a lot of fans to have to deal with
Speaker 3: if you're on the short end of that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, nothing else I hate more in sports when there
Speaker 7: is a tie at the end of the game, like
Speaker 7: that is just go do rock paper sits or at
Speaker 7: that point, I don't care but I need someone to
Speaker 7: be the winner. So I think that this new structure,
Speaker 7: I think it just brings and I agree with everything
Speaker 7: that Brian just said, but it also brings that fairness
Speaker 7: to it. There's a lot more fairness in the game,
Speaker 7: and you allow it to be more competitive. It is
Speaker 7: one of those situations, just like you mentioned with Patrick
Speaker 7: Mahomes that yeah, those type of quarterbacks, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 7: they got the ball. You know it's gonna work. You
Speaker 7: know where it's at it, Yeah, there's no chance. So
Speaker 7: I think it does give it a more baalid right
Speaker 7: to whoever ends up. It's just a lot more fair
Speaker 7: in that sense. Also, with the time being lower, I
Speaker 7: feel like typically it doesn't take that long for you
Speaker 7: to herman who wins that game when it goes into overtime.
Speaker 7: But also it doesn't drag it along that much either,
Speaker 7: because when you get to that point and going into
Speaker 7: overtime it's you know, four quarter that's a long time
Speaker 7: for players to be out there. It gets exhausting and
Speaker 7: all of that. So I think I'm not too big
Speaker 7: on the even though it's five minutes difference, it's a
Speaker 7: big difference there. If it ever gets to a scenario
Speaker 7: like that. But I like the rule, and just like
Speaker 7: Brian said too, these situations, it's always them trying new things,
Speaker 7: different things, and kind of testing it out and see
Speaker 7: what actually works better and what doesn't, and always keeping
Speaker 7: in mind one the fairness of the game and two
Speaker 7: the health of the players when they're playing out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be interested to see if if this ends
Speaker 6: up leading to more ties because of the reduction in time.
Speaker 6: Like you said, Brian, there is a sign and there's
Speaker 6: a chance that a team could take pretty much the
Speaker 6: entire overtime period. You can get a drive that's a
Speaker 6: good eight nine minutes and then you leave the other
Speaker 6: team with very little time to be on score, especially
Speaker 6: if you can end that with a touchdown. I just
Speaker 6: I don't want. I want to do whatever it takes
Speaker 6: in order to ensure there are fewer ties and there
Speaker 6: are as few ties ties as possible. I agree with
Speaker 6: you Amber, like you don't want to sit through three
Speaker 6: hours of football, three and a half hours of football
Speaker 6: and then go home feeling like my team did they win?
Speaker 6: Did they lose? Like it's just it's a limbo. I
Speaker 6: don't like ties. I think it's better to get a
Speaker 6: winner or a loser. And so for me, I like
Speaker 6: the rule change where both teams get a possession. I
Speaker 6: don't love the idea of taking it from fifteen down
Speaker 6: to ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that could be, you know, and the
Speaker 3: league has proven that if they do get a bunch
Speaker 3: of ties, say in a season, if they implement this
Speaker 3: the next year, they will do something different. Yeah they will.
Speaker 3: They will not sit there and just continually like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to have you know, seven or eight ten
Speaker 3: ties or something like that. We're just not They're not
Speaker 3: going to allow that. So they'll adjust as they see fit.
Speaker 3: That part of it I think is pretty good. You know,
Speaker 3: it's funny they talk about, you know, the player safety
Speaker 3: and taking it down five minutes, but man, they will
Speaker 3: argue like heck for that eighteenth game. So you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's gonna be some type of trade off here.
Speaker 6: I will tell you this though, if they go to
Speaker 6: eighteen games, yeah, what I what I would love about
Speaker 6: that is I think in the in the scenarios I've
Speaker 6: heard says they would then do two bye weeks in
Speaker 6: eighteen game season. And if you give me eighteen games,
Speaker 6: but you give me two bye weeks. Actually we have
Speaker 6: a lot better. That makes me a lot better.
Speaker 7: We do.
Speaker 3: And I know when I first started working with there
Speaker 3: was a time where we did we had the two
Speaker 3: bye weeks. I believe that we were kind of going through. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: it makes it a little bit, you know, it makes
Speaker 3: it a little bit of a longer season and all that.
Speaker 3: But and I in a way, I kind of feel
Speaker 3: like the season's long. I know, I was at the
Speaker 3: super Bowl in New Orleans and I felt like baseball
Speaker 3: was right around the corner, you know, kind of thing.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, the league and the players, we're aways
Speaker 3: from that right now. Yeah, but it's it's coming.
Speaker 7: But see to your point with the ten minute thing,
Speaker 7: the reason why I actually do like it is because one,
Speaker 7: with getting the both teams get a position, you bring
Speaker 7: the fairness to it. But then with the time being reduced,
Speaker 7: it also allows you to be strategic, like whoever has
Speaker 7: the ball, they can take that to their advantage. And
Speaker 7: it's still a fair game here, but it just doesn't
Speaker 7: prolong it as long. But I mean, I still agree
Speaker 7: with you with it. And then with a tie and
Speaker 7: all that, But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 7: think that's when the strategic part of it in the
Speaker 7: game and how you utilize and how you can kill
Speaker 7: time doing that, you can use it to your advantage
Speaker 7: if you're good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing that I think the thing you would
Speaker 3: worry about though, is if you're a team that that
Speaker 3: that gave up the lead to get into overtime, then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now you're maybe your defense is
Speaker 3: wore down and your and then the other team gets
Speaker 3: the ball and then they go on a drive and
Speaker 3: then they and you know, now they're like, okay, we
Speaker 3: figured out we got this game tied. Now we've wore
Speaker 3: you down, and how we can run the ball now?
Speaker 3: And and strategically you could say we could score here
Speaker 3: and give them, you know, give them two minutes, maybe
Speaker 3: a minute, and then now you know, the momentum is
Speaker 3: clearly with the team that's kind of maybe got to
Speaker 3: the tie. So yeah, there's a lot of strategy that
Speaker 3: you can you can do here.
Speaker 6: There's a very interesting strategic point of who wants the
Speaker 6: ball first, who wants before, and almost all that the
Speaker 6: ball second, because you want to know what you have
Speaker 6: to match. And in this instance you might think the
Speaker 6: same thing, but the reality is you could also have
Speaker 6: if you give them the ball first, you may not
Speaker 6: get the ball back because they may take a majority
Speaker 6: of the time.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot to factor into this strategically.
Speaker 3: I don't want to drag us down your way down,
Speaker 3: but I'll discuss this, Derek. You know, you and I
Speaker 3: do watch a lot of college football, and you know
Speaker 3: I do like the collegiate rules of overtime, and you know,
Speaker 3: and I was my team at LSU suffered and the
Speaker 3: rules were changed after a seven overtime game against Texas
Speaker 3: A and M to where it came, okay, possession, possession,
Speaker 3: and then after possession became you could kick the extra point,
Speaker 3: and then after the second one it was you got
Speaker 3: to go for two. You could get some games that
Speaker 3: can end, you know, pretty quickly there too, you know,
Speaker 3: having to go for two. I think it brings more
Speaker 3: excitement to the game, you know, the fact that it
Speaker 3: can your team get a stop with the other team
Speaker 3: being on the twenty five yard line. And there's some
Speaker 3: teams that aren't very good at red zone offense. You know,
Speaker 3: you might play to your advantage, or you might be
Speaker 3: a really good red zone defense. I think the collegiate
Speaker 3: way of deciding the game, to me, is more exciting,
Speaker 3: and I would I wondered why the NFL would never
Speaker 3: look at that way because that that is a an
Speaker 3: interesting way to end a game. Now I agree with you.
Speaker 6: I think it brings a level of sudden death. That's yes,
Speaker 6: you know you every every play of that overtime and
Speaker 6: your team might score. Yeah, but now let's see what
Speaker 6: the other team can do. Can they match it?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 6: It's it creates a lot of extra drama in game.
Speaker 6: So I actually sometimes getting those games like that seven
Speaker 6: overtime game where you literally like, okay, somebody in this
Speaker 6: this is too well.
Speaker 3: David helm and I were standing there. We were hoping
Speaker 3: that LSU would find a way to end it, and
Speaker 3: Texas A and M wouldn't allow it. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: it's and they changed the rules. But I think you know, score,
Speaker 3: kick the extra point, then have to go for two.
Speaker 3: After that, You're going to see teams come up with
Speaker 3: creative ways to try and run two point plays to
Speaker 3: win a football game. I just think it brings a
Speaker 3: more more exciting element then trying to run the clock
Speaker 3: completely down and give the other team no chance. All right,
Speaker 3: let's move on. Let's talk about the kickoffs. That the
Speaker 3: touchback is now being moved. Instead of being going to
Speaker 3: the thirty yard line automatically, it now moves to the
Speaker 3: thirty five yard right. Some would say that that's only
Speaker 3: five yards, but it actually, I think is a pretty
Speaker 3: pretty significant thing when you think about the fact you
Speaker 3: only need a twenty twenty five yards to be able
Speaker 3: to get in a field goal range. For Dallas needs
Speaker 3: ten Dallas Dallas to get one first down there in
Speaker 3: field goal range. So yeah, you know, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 3: And like I said, I mean interrupt you there, it's
Speaker 3: just but yeah, to me, it's it's going to you know,
Speaker 3: do you want to I think there's some teams that
Speaker 3: will still kick the ball out of the end zone.
Speaker 3: Playing the Cowboys, I think if you look at what
Speaker 3: Turpin was able to do as a returner, you know,
Speaker 3: bring he could bring the ball out past the thirty
Speaker 3: five I mean, I I me, personally, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: let him bring the ball out to the fifty yard line.
Speaker 3: I's capable of doing that. I'm just gonna kick it
Speaker 3: into the end zone and make you play and make
Speaker 3: myself play defense at the thirty five. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 6: If anything that it helps, anything that will help Cavanti
Speaker 6: Turpin get the ball in his hands. Yeah, frequently, I'm four.
Speaker 5: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: I think things teams might still opt for teams that
Speaker 6: have a player like Cavante Turpin. They maybe say, hey, we'll.
Speaker 5: Take thirty, We'll take the thing now the killer.
Speaker 6: As you mentioned, the big deal is you also have
Speaker 6: a kicker who can kick from a long That's where
Speaker 6: it's very interesting dynamic for the Cowboys that maybe other
Speaker 6: teams don't have. Is the range of a kicker in
Speaker 6: combined with a really great cat kick returner. That will
Speaker 6: make it a bit more of a chat challenging decision
Speaker 6: for opponents.
Speaker 7: It's a double edged sore, you know.
Speaker 5: I was like, what.
Speaker 7: We got in both ways? No, No, it's exciting. It's
Speaker 7: exciting because I remember the times where that wasn't the case,
Speaker 7: where you had players that you couldn't necessarily rely on
Speaker 7: when it came to those plays and special teams. So uh,
Speaker 7: very very benefiting for the house.
Speaker 6: This was another rules change I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 6: They've expanded replay assists, so essentially what people don't know
Speaker 6: what that term is. It's basically when the booth can
Speaker 6: make a call from the booth.
Speaker 3: Or call down face mask yeah on the zone.
Speaker 5: So there are.
Speaker 6: Five different rules now, and there are five different penalties
Speaker 6: that the booth can overturn from the booth. They are
Speaker 6: hitting the defensives player face mask, horse collar, tackle, tripping, roughing,
Speaker 6: or running into the kicker.
Speaker 5: What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that? I mean, I you know, and
Speaker 3: we all watch foot and I remember a game where
Speaker 3: Minnesota was playing against the Rams late in the year
Speaker 3: and there was a clear face mass penalty, you know,
Speaker 3: on on Sam Darnell and and you know, and and
Speaker 3: they and the officials missed it. And you know, the
Speaker 3: Vikings were trying to drive and and they but they
Speaker 3: missed the call. And so here you are, you know,
Speaker 3: your team, you know, if you're in that situation, you're like, oing, gosh,
Speaker 3: how how do you miss that call? You know? I
Speaker 3: always the roughing the kicker and the running into the
Speaker 3: kicker one I don't quite know. I guess if you
Speaker 3: just completely destroy the the punter, it's you know, or
Speaker 3: it's roughing, And if you just kind of run into
Speaker 3: I guess because there's sometimes it's called one way or another.
Speaker 3: I think I need some help there, you know, I
Speaker 3: think some of sometimes the officials, some officials just are
Speaker 3: just they're adamant, like now that's running into that's no,
Speaker 3: that's actually roughing. Last week I watched the game that
Speaker 3: was roughing. So yeah, anything to do with that kind
Speaker 3: of help I think makes the game better.
Speaker 6: One thing to note, Brian, in that scenario, they actually
Speaker 6: wouldn't have reversed it. The new rule as I read it,
Speaker 6: says that they won't make a call from the booth.
Speaker 5: They can only correct a call.
Speaker 6: So let's say, for example, in that instance, if there
Speaker 6: was a face mask that was not.
Speaker 5: Called, the booth won't call it for them.
Speaker 6: What they will do, though, is if there is a
Speaker 6: face mask pause and they didn't really get again they
Speaker 6: really didn't get the face mask.
Speaker 5: Now the booth can call down and say it's not
Speaker 5: and to be honest.
Speaker 3: With you, so they changed the bad calls.
Speaker 5: Yes, they'll take a bad call. They will make a
Speaker 5: call for you.
Speaker 3: That I was the depression that you could if there
Speaker 3: was a call that like, listen, you guys clearly blatantly
Speaker 3: missed the call here.
Speaker 6: So I think that's better, Brian, I actually agree with you.
Speaker 6: I think they should do that. I think I do
Speaker 6: think that becomes a bit of a challenge because you know,
Speaker 6: you know the old adage broke used been offensive lineman.
Speaker 6: You know that, Yeah, there's a there's a penalty probably
Speaker 6: on every place. So if you have somebody in the
Speaker 6: booth who's just literally making a call every time they
Speaker 6: see it, the game would slow down to it.
Speaker 7: Also, we're dynamic when it comes to the referees, like
Speaker 7: down there on the field, and then all of a
Speaker 7: sudden you got somebody saying, hey, you missed this one,
Speaker 7: and then you got to It's very difficult to be
Speaker 7: to make it be seem less and not well mess
Speaker 7: up the game.
Speaker 3: Flow, you know, Amber, I think that the officials nowadays
Speaker 3: have gotten better in a way of understanding that there's
Speaker 3: replay that will back them up. Like we've seen quarterbacks
Speaker 3: get hit in the pocket and the ball like clearly
Speaker 3: ball in hand, flying forward and the next thing you
Speaker 3: know is that should be an incomplete pass and now
Speaker 3: beanbags are flying in as they're calling it a fumble,
Speaker 3: and I think of let it out. They let it
Speaker 3: play out. The officials are like, listen, we're going to
Speaker 3: call it a fumble until somebody upstairs tells us ball
Speaker 3: in hand it was forward motion, So you know that's
Speaker 3: there's a lot of those calls where you're like, that's
Speaker 3: not a fumble, but the officials are like, hey, I
Speaker 3: know I have replay backing me up that if I
Speaker 3: make this calling it's wrong, it's going to change and
Speaker 3: we're going to move on. I'm okay with that too.
Speaker 6: The one area I think is it glaring omission for
Speaker 6: me is I would love for roughing the passer to
Speaker 6: also be included in this How many times do we
Speaker 6: see calls where they say roughing the passer and then
Speaker 6: you look at the replants like, oh, he really didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he kind of rushed his shoulder, but it looked maybe
Speaker 6: like he hit him in the head because his head
Speaker 6: snapped because of the violent hit to his shoulder. I
Speaker 6: just think those are situation where I would love because
Speaker 6: because it's so punitive, I would love for those to
Speaker 6: be plays that they could overturn from the booth.
Speaker 3: The roughing the passer penalty that that's the most that
Speaker 3: I understand the most is when you go low on
Speaker 3: a on a quarterback if you go into the knee
Speaker 3: area and stuff and try and those are the ones.
Speaker 3: I understand the ones had that, but that's again player safety.
Speaker 3: For you know, if you're a defensive lineman and you're
Speaker 3: coming through and you're trying to swat at the ball
Speaker 3: and you hit the quarterback in the head, the rules
Speaker 3: are pretty clear you can't hit the quarterback in the head,
Speaker 3: you know, but maybe some of those can be you know,
Speaker 3: maybe changed.
Speaker 7: I feel like we're a lot in recent years. What
Speaker 7: are we're playing flag football here? Like what are we doing?
Speaker 7: Like is this football or not? Like I think it's
Speaker 7: going to I can't recall one game specifically, but I
Speaker 7: know there are being quite a few that we've seen.
Speaker 7: You're like, this is getting out of control, Like this
Speaker 7: is ridiculous with some of those calls that are being called,
Speaker 7: like for a guy for example, Micah and the way
Speaker 7: that they're rushing and getting those sacks. So I think
Speaker 7: I agree with you, Derek. I mean, hopefully eventually in
Speaker 7: the future that's something that can continue to improve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is another one with Brian.
Speaker 6: I think the college game may happen a little bit
Speaker 6: with the targeting call for instance, I think I don't
Speaker 6: love the idea of getting the player based out getting
Speaker 6: kicked out until the next like the four quarters.
Speaker 5: I don't love that.
Speaker 6: But I do think the idea of if you're going
Speaker 6: to do something so punitive, at least allow it to
Speaker 6: be reviewed and by somebody on camera to say, yes.
Speaker 5: This definitely was roughing the passer, this definitely was targeting.
Speaker 6: Or if it's not, because we've seen that also happen
Speaker 6: where you go and you look at you like, that
Speaker 6: really wasn't targeting, and so they'll overturn it. Players, fine,
Speaker 6: I think you should do the same thing with something
Speaker 6: like you know, rough in the passy.
Speaker 7: For years, being around you guys for years, I've and
Speaker 7: again I don't watch much college football whatsoever you guys do.
Speaker 7: But here's where I'm always confused. You guys always bring
Speaker 7: college football and the way that it's managed and handled.
Speaker 7: Why is it so Why is it so different than NFL? Like,
Speaker 7: if they see things that are being successful ye in college,
Speaker 7: why not apply it into the NFL.
Speaker 3: It's television. It's a three hour game as opposed to
Speaker 3: a four hour game. That's it to me. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of the college rules that would apply to the NFL.
Speaker 3: They have a specific window of how they stagger games
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And I don't think the NFL
Speaker 3: wants games going four hours. I really really don't. So
Speaker 3: that's why I think there's a lot of things there
Speaker 3: that say, Okay, we have to keep our game within
Speaker 3: that twelve to three, and then the next one is
Speaker 3: three to six, and then the next one is too
Speaker 3: And I think that's why a lot of these some
Speaker 3: of these not these rules and these rule changes aren't
Speaker 3: always the same. I just don't think that the NFL
Speaker 3: wants a four hour or five hour game on Sunday,
Speaker 3: and I think that's why they don't do some of
Speaker 3: the things that they do.
Speaker 6: And let's be clear, like it's just two completely different
Speaker 6: bodies running them, with different interests and different things they're considering.
Speaker 6: And so it's not going to ever be a situation
Speaker 6: where the NFL is like, Okay, well let's look at
Speaker 6: the college game and see how we can get closer,
Speaker 6: or the college games and look at say, let's look
Speaker 6: at the NFL games, see how we can get closer.
Speaker 6: They exist as two different bodies, they're two different leagues,
Speaker 6: two different bodies, and so they're always going to operate separately,
Speaker 6: which means their rules are going to evolve in different ways,
Speaker 6: and sometimes you will see a rule happened in one
Speaker 6: that precipitates a rule in the other. Like I think
Speaker 6: targeting became an issue after the NFL started talking about
Speaker 6: player safety from the standpoint of hitting depensiless receivers, hitting
Speaker 6: quarterbacks late, and the college response to that was targeting,
Speaker 6: We're going to protect this particular We're gonna protect players
Speaker 6: from this particular action.
Speaker 5: And as a result, these will be the punitive rules.
Speaker 6: So they were trying to do the same things, they
Speaker 6: just did it in different ways, right, the penalties were
Speaker 6: different in college versus then.
Speaker 3: As we kind of wrap this up, though, I kind
Speaker 3: of feel like, though that to me, the one rule
Speaker 3: i'd like to see change that the colleges do do
Speaker 3: in the NFL maybe adopt is pass interference. That is,
Speaker 3: and you use the word punitive, that that is one
Speaker 3: of the most punitive penalties that you could ever endure,
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Speaker 3: If you know forty four forty five fifty yard penalties
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Speaker 3: something as far as rules go, and to me, a
Speaker 3: fifteen yard you know penalty is significant. I mean, are
Speaker 3: excusing is sufficient for my take because, like I say,
Speaker 3: you know so, past interference is just Sometimes it's called correctly,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's called incorrectly. You get a forty four yard
Speaker 3: penalty against you that's been called incorrectly. That is big.
Speaker 3: That is big. I'd like to see the NFL adopt that.
Speaker 3: I don't think they ever will.
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Speaker 6: let's talk to safeties.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: This is a.
Speaker 6: Position that I think, on paper, seems to be one
Speaker 6: of the more stable positions on the team. You got
Speaker 6: Malie Cooker, you got Donovan Wilson. They've been starters for
Speaker 6: a few years. They are both back, they're both under contract.
Speaker 6: Neither one is, as we know, holding out or anything.
Speaker 6: So it seems like it's a very stable position. But
Speaker 6: that being said, they have some young guys Yanye Thomas,
Speaker 6: Marquee spell Israel Makuamu. Do you think that this is
Speaker 6: a position that really is that why I should say
Speaker 6: it like this?
Speaker 5: Is that a good thing?
Speaker 6: Or does Dallas really need to do more at this
Speaker 6: position than just rely on Malie Cooker and Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek, I think the fact that you know that
Speaker 3: I know, I've heard you know from thirty visits potentially
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys with mcuba from the University of Texas
Speaker 3: safety very I love outstanding safety, six foot eighty six pounds.
Speaker 3: He can cover, h he tackles, he gets his hands
Speaker 3: on the football, playmaker this guy. I mean, Texas has
Speaker 3: got a very good secondary and you know, with with
Speaker 3: Baron and mcuba and Muhammad, they've got some guys that
Speaker 3: can absolutely play.
Speaker 5: Cat babies was pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so yeah, So to me, this is this
Speaker 3: is one of those things that the Cowboys were talking
Speaker 3: about it as we seem to be okay here, everything's fine. No,
Speaker 3: they really you know, if they could upgrade Hooker and
Speaker 3: they could upgrade Wilson and with a guy like maccuba. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: you know this is this is where I think, And
Speaker 3: now how early would you have to do this? Forty four?
Speaker 3: I think mccouba is one of the best safety.
Speaker 5: Second round guy in the draft.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you would have to hit him in the second
Speaker 3: round if you're interested in doing this, and they might
Speaker 3: absolutely consider that because of all the things I just
Speaker 3: talked about, find me a guy can you can you
Speaker 3: say with certainty Hooker really covers, Wilson really covers where
Speaker 3: they tackle really really well. Boy, they get their hands
Speaker 3: on a lot of balls. That's that's that's all very
Speaker 3: much up for debate. Yeah, so no, I think that
Speaker 3: it's if you want to ask me a position that
Speaker 3: people aren't talking about near enough for this football team. Safety,
Speaker 3: that's one as far as drafting goes. Yes, I think
Speaker 3: they're open to that. And the fact that they've identified
Speaker 3: but Kuba as one of those guys, I think that's
Speaker 3: a step in the right direction.
Speaker 7: Honestly, I think I would be okay with the great
Speaker 7: and I agree with Brian, you definitely need if you
Speaker 7: can upgrade the position, for sure, But I would be
Speaker 7: okay with the group of guys that Derek mentioned and
Speaker 7: listed if I felt a lot better about the cornerback position.
Speaker 7: I feel that the corners right now, you we need
Speaker 7: to fix what's going on there. Right now, you don't
Speaker 7: really have much, I mean other than there On Bland,
Speaker 7: that's a solid guy, proven. You got Trevon Diggs that's
Speaker 7: coming back from the injury. There's still a lot of
Speaker 7: question marks surrounding him and everybody else. Aside from those
Speaker 7: two persons, you still don't know how well can they
Speaker 7: you know, turn.
Speaker 3: Out to though.
Speaker 5: Does he does Elm factor in that for you at all?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that to me, if where I would
Speaker 3: if you're if if Matt Eberflus is going to play
Speaker 3: a lot of press coverage, man up you know and
Speaker 3: play that's where Elam really that's his strength. You ask
Speaker 3: him to play zone or off carverage. But I agree
Speaker 3: with with Ambar there there are so many questions that
Speaker 3: at corner, and I think Elam addresses the spot of
Speaker 3: a size guy with physicality that could play up. You know,
Speaker 3: they could play that press. If you're going to play
Speaker 3: a lot of zone, man Ambar's right, you better go
Speaker 3: get you some corners. You don't know with Diggs, I
Speaker 3: mean we're seeing clips of digs working and all that.
Speaker 3: That's that's super positive. You know that he can. You
Speaker 3: know that he wants to to get back on the
Speaker 3: field as quickly as possible. But man, you know there's
Speaker 3: reasons why that. Teams, our people have talked about Dallas
Speaker 3: at a corner at twelve. You know Will Johnson from
Speaker 3: Michigan six too, you know, two hundred and six pounds.
Speaker 3: I mean, there there are some conversations about these guys,
Speaker 3: and this is a very deep draft when it comes
Speaker 3: to corners, whether you want to get a guy with
Speaker 3: size or you want to get a guy that's a
Speaker 3: nickel player. So Dallas is absolutely, I believe in the
Speaker 3: market for for looking just what Amber said, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: this is you're really down to it. You would feel
Speaker 3: a lot better if if Carson had played better last year,
Speaker 3: you know, but the learning curve, the injuries, all those problems,
Speaker 3: he just didn't get that. Hopefully this offseason will be
Speaker 3: good for him. But you know, we've heard this before.
Speaker 3: We've done it with the wide receivers. Oh we want
Speaker 3: these wide receivers. Oh they're going to make a jump
Speaker 3: and all that. You say that and then they get
Speaker 3: in the season and they really don't make that jump,
Speaker 3: So she's absolutely right about it.
Speaker 7: Well, and then with Alan, I mean we talked about
Speaker 7: the experience that he has and all that, but again
Speaker 7: it's still you haven't seen it here yet, so there's
Speaker 7: still question marks around that and how this new system like,
Speaker 7: how everything's going to start coming together and clicking. And
Speaker 7: with safeties, I think I always see it as a
Speaker 7: supporting role right to the corners. So I think with
Speaker 7: you not being as solid as you would like to
Speaker 7: be in the cornerback, sorry, in the cornerback position, now
Speaker 7: you're leaving these safeties, forcing them or putting them in
Speaker 7: a quote unquote bad position where they're having to do
Speaker 7: a lot more, trying to do more than what maybe
Speaker 7: they're capable of at the time based on the current
Speaker 7: talent that the team has. So absolutely if there is
Speaker 7: an opportunity to upgrade the position, for sure, But if
Speaker 7: you upgrade cornerback and get that group really solid where
Speaker 7: you feel good about it, I think I would feel
Speaker 7: a lot better about the curring guys on the roster
Speaker 7: when it comes to the safeties.
Speaker 6: Okay, we weren't supposed to talk about cornerbacks yet, what
Speaker 6: kind of go. But what we're gonna do is we're
Speaker 6: just gonna shift because that's what Amber brought us and
Speaker 6: that's what we're gonna do. So that being said, here's
Speaker 6: my question on cornerback. What do you think right now?
Speaker 6: Like there, I hear what you're saying, Amber, and I
Speaker 6: agree wholeheartedly. The bigger concern for me right now is
Speaker 6: who is your day one slot? Because you know you
Speaker 6: could possibly move land in. You just create one problem.
Speaker 6: You just basically take a problem from one place to
Speaker 6: put in another. But who is the slot? Who's the
Speaker 6: guy that's going to be your third cornerback? At this point,
Speaker 6: I don't even know if they have a real option
Speaker 6: right now for that person.
Speaker 5: What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 6: And does that necessitate really at the Cowboys have to
Speaker 6: maybe look at the first at least the first two
Speaker 6: picks to find a corner because they're gonna need him
Speaker 6: to play this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the options that the options at twelve and
Speaker 3: forty four are clearly there, depending on and we'll see
Speaker 3: what will Johnson. I mentioned him before it at Michigan.
Speaker 3: What you know he's going to run. There's several corners
Speaker 3: that have first round ability that are on that board.
Speaker 3: But the problem is there some of them are coming
Speaker 3: off injury. Revell from East Carolina might be the best
Speaker 3: corner in the draft, but he hurt his knee, you know,
Speaker 3: to start the season, missed the entire year. Morrison from
Speaker 3: Notre Dame has a has a hip problem, but you know,
Speaker 3: fine player in his own right, probably a first round player.
Speaker 3: Could one of these guys show up at forty four
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys? You know, there's there's people that you
Speaker 3: know sometimes they they these corners will fall through the
Speaker 3: draft if they're banged up a little bit, and and
Speaker 3: Revel could be a guy. Boy, that would be just
Speaker 3: a huge steal for the Cowboys if all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: say they were to take a receiver at twelve, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden one of those corners are
Speaker 3: there at at forty four, boy, that would be that
Speaker 3: would that would be just you know, you couldn't ask
Speaker 3: from a better gift from the draft GUIDs if that
Speaker 3: was the case. But yeah, this to your point, Derek,
Speaker 3: there's there's going to be guys that are going to
Speaker 3: be able to fill the nickel role that maybe you
Speaker 3: can't grab in the third round. You know, Perish from
Speaker 3: Kansas State is an example of that. Mohammed from Oregon. Guy,
Speaker 3: these are shorter guys. These are five ten, five nine guys,
Speaker 3: but extremely quick, but able to kind of cover all
Speaker 3: that ground. They might be in the market of having
Speaker 3: to draft their corner or their draft their nickel because
Speaker 3: the middle of the now. Not having a fourth round
Speaker 3: pick as you sit right now, you know, maybe they
Speaker 3: can't find a way to get that back or get
Speaker 3: an extra three if they move down a few spots,
Speaker 3: and that's where you would maybe address your secondary as well.
Speaker 7: Let me shift the conversation just a tiny bit more.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about guards, Yeah, you talk about.
Speaker 7: It's still about the corners. No, it's still about the corners,
Speaker 7: but it was gonna I wanted to pose a different
Speaker 7: questions to you guys and take it as sick.
Speaker 3: They don't have starters right now.
Speaker 7: Derek tv On, We know he got injured last season
Speaker 7: during the time that he played. What would be your
Speaker 7: final assessment of how he was playing last year when
Speaker 7: he was healthy on the field. Good question Himber You
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Speaker 7: Well, you were asking about the squad and we talked
Speaker 7: about the need there, but I wanted to post the
Speaker 7: other question in regards to Tremon Diggs and what was
Speaker 7: your final assessment of him and the way that he
Speaker 7: was playing last year when he was healthy on the field.
Speaker 3: You got a thought on that one, boss.
Speaker 6: I know I heard a lot of people giving him
Speaker 6: a lot of criticism. I don't know that I necessarily
Speaker 6: feel like it was always warranted. Now, that's the thing
Speaker 6: about cornerback. You're not going to be perfect. Like every
Speaker 6: cornerback is going to have moments. We did see him
Speaker 6: in some moments last season where he got beat, but
Speaker 6: that's also a part.
Speaker 5: Of being a cornerback.
Speaker 6: My question is more around like, did we see the
Speaker 6: kind of game changing plays that we had seen his
Speaker 6: in earlier years of his career, and I don't think
Speaker 6: we saw those as much.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: Could that be because teams weren't throwing at him as much?
Speaker 6: I don't know, but that would be more. What I
Speaker 6: would question is when it came down to those game
Speaker 6: changes plays, I don't think those were there as much
Speaker 6: as they've been in the past. And I'm interested to
Speaker 6: see if that was just a function of how teams
Speaker 6: were playing against him, the level of competition against him.
Speaker 5: Or just his ability to actually make those plays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me, there was there was far
Speaker 3: too many of these plays where you saw receptions, you know,
Speaker 3: you saw like you know, you're kind of I think
Speaker 3: there was. He gave up thirty three of them, I
Speaker 3: think last year when he was playing and and you're like,
Speaker 3: why is he not up? Why is he not more connected?
Speaker 3: Why is he not And we've all we've seen him
Speaker 3: at times be he's one of those guys that tends
Speaker 3: to play on field. You know, he kind of can,
Speaker 3: he could run with guys, he could stay in position.
Speaker 3: He's we've seen him before. He's very much and when
Speaker 3: it comes to putting himself into position to make plays,
Speaker 3: he could do that. A lot of his interceptions are
Speaker 3: input himself or maybe the ball just kind of comes
Speaker 3: to him, and but that's part of putting yourself in position.
Speaker 3: I think there were too many times last year where
Speaker 3: you watched him in the route and it just you
Speaker 3: just felt he watching him. You felt he was really
Speaker 3: disconnected that you know, it was the catch and now
Speaker 3: he's driving the catch and now he's driving. And in
Speaker 3: times past where we've seen him play really really tight
Speaker 3: drive on the ball, knock the ball down, it might
Speaker 3: have had to do with his knee. It might have
Speaker 3: had to do with some confidence or lack of confidence
Speaker 3: that he could really explode and go make a player
Speaker 3: go run with the guy inside. But there were just
Speaker 3: far too many snaps last year where he just played disconnected,
Speaker 3: and you know that that's something I think that was
Speaker 3: the biggest concern for me.
Speaker 6: And I can't remember the games, but there were it
Speaker 6: seems like there were like at least two or three
Speaker 6: times last year when he was in position the ball
Speaker 6: came and it hit his hands and hit the ground,
Speaker 6: and in the past that would have been an interception, right,
Speaker 6: And that's those were the areas where I was more like, again,
Speaker 6: I don't I don't mind my corner getting beat from times,
Speaker 6: like I think that's just a part of the game.
Speaker 5: You play good wide.
Speaker 6: Receivers, you're gonna get beat. The What I love about
Speaker 6: Diggs's game is he makes you pay though. Yeah, you
Speaker 6: might beat him some, but he's gonna get you. And
Speaker 6: when he gets you, he's gonna make a game changing
Speaker 6: type play. So in order for him to have that
Speaker 6: style of game and be as valuable as he is
Speaker 6: as he has been to this team, that means he's
Speaker 6: gonna have to make those big plays going the other way.
Speaker 5: So when he gets those opportunities and.
Speaker 6: The ball gets there and he's there and his hands
Speaker 6: are there, he's got to come away with the ball.
Speaker 6: And that's where I was a little bit like, ugh,
Speaker 6: that's that's not like Diggs. That's not that's not like him.
Speaker 6: He makes that play usually he plays cornerback like a receiver.
Speaker 6: And so that those are the things I think the
Speaker 6: stick out to me more last year than even the
Speaker 6: times when he got beat And.
Speaker 3: I think some of the things that came up to
Speaker 3: were the miss tackles. You know that that was something
Speaker 3: when the ball would spill and then there's times when
Speaker 3: he would be physical and step up. But you know,
Speaker 3: if you go and look at the metrics, you know
Speaker 3: he was credited with twelve miss tackles last year.
Speaker 7: And that's my concern. Like when you talk about his
Speaker 7: game and he one of the biggest criticisms towards him
Speaker 7: is his lack of physicality when it comes to tackling
Speaker 7: and that, oh, is he just afraid of tackling And
Speaker 7: now that he got paid and all that, well, that's
Speaker 7: the question mark for me because even last year when
Speaker 7: you look at his game. I think it's safe to
Speaker 7: say that it took a decline, like his game decline
Speaker 7: then from what he was prior to that and after
Speaker 7: him getting injured. Now you add the injury part to it,
Speaker 7: and now it becomes even more concerning with him coming back.
Speaker 7: What is the level that he's going to come back
Speaker 7: to and how that's gonna look like. And so it's
Speaker 7: just an extra added element to the lack of let's say,
Speaker 7: who's going to play at the slot position there, and
Speaker 7: it's just lots of question mark. The only guy that
Speaker 7: I feel very secure is their own Bland right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think here's the thing.
Speaker 6: I want to see, how tenacious uh Trayvon is in
Speaker 6: coming back from the injury. How how much does he
Speaker 6: attack the rehab how much does he does he really
Speaker 6: kind of get out there and push it to get
Speaker 6: him Because I have no doubt in Trayvon's ability. He's
Speaker 6: shown it the level of capability that he has. And
Speaker 6: I don't you know that, Yes we can. You can
Speaker 6: talk about the plays that you know from a tackling
Speaker 6: standpoint where maybe it wasn't great, But at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, what I know about the guys. When
Speaker 6: he's playing at his at his top level, he can
Speaker 6: be one of the best cornerbacks in the National Football League.
Speaker 6: So my question is, just if whatever we saw last
Speaker 6: year was remnants of the knee from the year before
Speaker 6: or whatever it was, can he attack this rehab in
Speaker 6: a way to where he gets himself ready and next
Speaker 6: time he's on the field he is mentally and physically
Speaker 6: at top notch best case, I mean, best version of
Speaker 6: Trayvon Diggs, then I think he can be again one
Speaker 6: of the best cornerbacks in the league.
Speaker 5: And so that's what I'll be looking for.
Speaker 6: I know he's capable, it's just a question of whether
Speaker 6: it ends up being that once he's back on the field.
Speaker 6: All right, let's uh, let's move on. Let's talk a
Speaker 6: little bit more. Actually we got a we only got
Speaker 6: a couple of minutes here real quick.
Speaker 5: Before we end. I did have a question back on
Speaker 5: the quote on the topic of safeties.
Speaker 6: What are the chances that some of those younger guys
Speaker 6: like Thomas Bell and Makuamo actually overtake Hooker or Wilson,
Speaker 6: uh for starting jobs or even for more playing time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a possibility. I I know visit with
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer last year before the season started. He was
Speaker 3: a very he was a fan of Hooker and he
Speaker 3: was a fan of of Wilson. And that's why you
Speaker 3: saw those guys get the opportunities. Kind of a step
Speaker 3: back for Bell, you know, we saw Bell. Bell was
Speaker 3: when you're leading tackler the year before, playing linebacker, hang linebacker,
Speaker 3: playing out a position, you're kind of thinking, well, man,
Speaker 3: how can you keep a guy off the field. That
Speaker 3: that's tough, you know, And you know, Mike had his
Speaker 3: reasons for why he wanted to play Hooker and why
Speaker 3: he wanted to play Wilson, and you know, and so
Speaker 3: you know that's that's fine, you know, but no longer here,
Speaker 3: Matt Eberflu's here, and we'll see hopefully that Bell and
Speaker 3: Thomas both get opportunity this year. And but the fact
Speaker 3: that they're they're talking to or the possibly of bringing
Speaker 3: guys in for you know, thirty visits that are that
Speaker 3: are high quality safeties, tells me that Eberflus might be like, listen,
Speaker 3: we could upgrade a couple of different spots. You might
Speaker 3: want to upgrade the starters and the backups will get
Speaker 3: an opportunity I think that there's some things about Bell
Speaker 3: that are that in coverage and toughness and all that,
Speaker 3: you can absolutely play him, and you could do the
Speaker 3: very same with Thomas. Thomas is a really good cover guy.
Speaker 3: So I think that we're I wouldn't I would put
Speaker 3: the starters of Hooker and Wilson in pencil right now.
Speaker 3: I would not put them in pen I would I would.
Speaker 3: I think that position is is very much in in
Speaker 3: in flux right now, which will see when we get
Speaker 3: to opening day. You know who exactly the starters are.
Speaker 3: I think they have some questions about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree with those two guys. Yeah, those
Speaker 7: would be right now, the two at the top. But
Speaker 7: what's cool about this as far as these guys and
Speaker 7: the opportunities is that they have a legit chance of
Speaker 7: actually going out there training camp competing for a legit
Speaker 7: spot or even starting spot. So nothing is solidified right now.
Speaker 7: I think anyone in the list right now can fight
Speaker 7: for a spot and make their name known. And again
Speaker 7: we'll see what happens during the draft and who else
Speaker 7: comes into the mix here, but anyone on the list
Speaker 7: right now has a good fighting chance.
Speaker 3: There's Quale in this draft, though, there's as you follow
Speaker 3: the three days here in Dallas Cowboys dot Com, there
Speaker 3: are quality safeties in their quality corners. If they want
Speaker 3: to address those positions, you should feel good about them
Speaker 3: getting one or two guys out of that group that
Speaker 3: can make a difference on your football team.
Speaker 6: All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We will
Speaker 6: be back next Tuesday. We'll have a more content for
Speaker 6: you guys. We'll be talking I'm sorry next Wednesday. Sorry,
Speaker 6: next Wednesday, and we'll talk about wide receiver and probably
Speaker 6: another position.
Speaker 5: We'll see if we have enough time for that one.
Speaker 6: We'll see how it goes and see if Amberg throws
Speaker 6: any other curveballs at us, changes up a little bit rundown,
Speaker 6: We'll see for Brian brod us in Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.
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