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Speaker 6: Amber and Brian, and we'll take this time to bring

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Speaker 6: during this next forty five minutes. Today, we're going to

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Speaker 6: start with some rule changes NFL had their owners meetings.

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Speaker 6: There were quite a few rules changes, and I want

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Speaker 6: to run through them with you guys and get your

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Speaker 6: were proposed were tabled. I want to get your opinions

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Speaker 6: on those as well, and then we'll get back into

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Speaker 6: some of our position analysis, our position breakdown that we

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Speaker 6: started last week with Today, we're going to focus in

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Speaker 6: on safety and wide receiver. Both those two I think

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Speaker 6: are pretty interesting and have some interesting things for the

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Speaker 6: Cowboys from the standpoint of where they are and where

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Speaker 6: they need to be when the season begins. So let's

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Speaker 6: jump in. Let's start first with some of the rules changes.

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Speaker 6: I think the first one that jumped out at me

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Speaker 6: was the change to the overtime rules as it stands. Basically,

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Speaker 6: I think the the original rule, the rule that they've

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Speaker 6: been playing by it before, they had one rule for

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Speaker 6: the regular season, one rule for the postseason. They've now

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Speaker 6: basically said, we're gonna make the one that we use

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Speaker 6: in the postseason the regular season rule with one modification.

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Speaker 6: So essentially, both teams will get a possession in overtime,

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Speaker 6: they'll be guaranteed a possession in overtime. But he was

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Speaker 6: the interesting kicker. And I've never heard this being discussed before.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like they're going to reduce the overtime from

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Speaker 6: fifteen minutes down to ten minutes, yes, which I think

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Speaker 6: from the standpoint of if you hit that ten minute

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Speaker 6: mark and there's still is a tie, you now have

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Speaker 6: a tie on your record. How do you like it

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Speaker 6: or dislike this this new rule?

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Speaker 3: I think that you know, the league is doing their

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Speaker 3: best to try and kind of figure these rules out.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Jones plays a significant role on the Competition Committee,

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Speaker 3: and I think Steven does have the best interest of

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Speaker 3: to him about it, it's something he takes very seriously.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think you know, as a fan,

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Speaker 3: you just want want your team to have the best

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Speaker 3: opportunity in overtime. We've seen so many times when you know,

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Speaker 3: we've seen reactions of you know, of quarterbacks at Baker

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Speaker 3: and that's and that's a reaction we have as fans, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're done. Uh so yeah, the fact that they're they're

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Speaker 3: a is a good a good measure if you have ties.

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Speaker 3: The things that are always interesting about ties, guys, is

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Speaker 3: there was a time, way before you guys were born,

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Speaker 3: You score, but you take all the clock and you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, nothing else I hate more in sports when there

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Speaker 7: that point, I don't care but I need someone to

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Speaker 7: I think it just brings and I agree with everything

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Speaker 7: and you allow it to be more competitive. It is

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Speaker 7: one of those situations, just like you mentioned with Patrick

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Speaker 7: know where it's at it, Yeah, there's no chance. So

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Speaker 7: I think it does give it a more baalid right

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Speaker 7: in that sense. Also, with the time being lower, I

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Speaker 7: But also it doesn't drag it along that much either,

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Speaker 7: all of that. So I think I'm not too big

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Speaker 7: Brian said too, these situations, it's always them trying new things,

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Speaker 7: what actually works better and what doesn't, and always keeping

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Speaker 7: in mind one the fairness of the game and two

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be interested to see if if this ends

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Speaker 6: up leading to more ties because of the reduction in time.

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Speaker 6: Like you said, Brian, there is a sign and there's

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Speaker 6: a chance that a team could take pretty much the

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Speaker 6: you Amber, like you don't want to sit through three

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Speaker 6: don't like ties. I think it's better to get a

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that could be, you know, and the

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Speaker 3: league has proven that if they do get a bunch

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Speaker 3: the next year, they will do something different. Yeah they will.

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Speaker 3: They will not sit there and just continually like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: That part of it I think is pretty good. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's funny they talk about, you know, the player safety

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Speaker 6: I will tell you this though, if they go to

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Speaker 6: eighteen games, yeah, what I what I would love about

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Speaker 6: but you give me two bye weeks. Actually we have

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Speaker 7: We do.

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Speaker 3: And I know when I first started working with there

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Speaker 3: it makes it a little bit, you know, it makes

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Speaker 3: But and I in a way, I kind of feel

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Speaker 3: So but yeah, the league and the players, we're aways

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Speaker 7: But see to your point with the ten minute thing,

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Speaker 7: the reason why I actually do like it is because one,

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Speaker 7: with getting the both teams get a position, you bring

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Speaker 7: it's still a fair game here, but it just doesn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing that I think the thing you would

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Speaker 3: And and strategically you could say we could score here

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Speaker 6: There's a very interesting strategic point of who wants the

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot to factor into this strategically.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to drag us down your way down,

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Speaker 3: but I'll discuss this, Derek. You know, you and I

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Speaker 3: do watch a lot of college football, and you know

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Speaker 3: I do like the collegiate rules of overtime, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I think it brings a level of sudden death. That's yes,

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 6: If anything that it helps, anything that will help Cavanti

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Speaker 6: I think things teams might still opt for teams that

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Speaker 5: Take thirty, We'll take the thing now the killer.

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Speaker 6: As you mentioned, the big deal is you also have

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Speaker 7: It's a double edged sore, you know.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what.

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Speaker 7: We got in both ways? No, No, it's exciting. It's

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Speaker 7: exciting because I remember the times where that wasn't the case,

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Speaker 6: This was another rules change I thought was really interesting.

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Speaker 6: They've expanded replay assists, so essentially what people don't know

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Speaker 3: Or call down face mask yeah on the zone.

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Speaker 5: So there are.

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Speaker 6: Five different rules now, and there are five different penalties

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Speaker 5: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 3: I'm okay with that? I mean, I you know, and

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Speaker 3: how how do you miss that call? You know? I

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Speaker 3: I think I need some help there, you know, I

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Speaker 3: that's actually roughing. Last week I watched the game that

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Speaker 6: One thing to note, Brian, in that scenario, they actually

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Speaker 5: They can only correct a call.

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Speaker 6: So let's say, for example, in that instance, if there

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Speaker 5: Now the booth can call down and say it's not

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Speaker 3: With you, so they changed the bad calls.

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Speaker 5: Yes, they'll take a bad call. They will make a

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Speaker 3: That I was the depression that you could if there

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Speaker 6: So I think that's better, Brian, I actually agree with you.

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Speaker 6: I think they should do that. I think I do

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Speaker 7: Also, we're dynamic when it comes to the referees, like

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Speaker 3: Flow, you know, Amber, I think that the officials nowadays

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Speaker 6: The one area I think is it glaring omission for

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Speaker 3: The roughing the passer penalty that that's the most that

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Speaker 3: I understand the ones had that, but that's again player safety.

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Speaker 7: I feel like we're a lot in recent years. What

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Speaker 7: You're like, this is getting out of control, Like this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is another one with Brian.

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Speaker 5: I don't love that.

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Speaker 6: But I do think the idea of if you're going

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Speaker 7: For years, being around you guys for years, I've and

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Speaker 7: But here's where I'm always confused. You guys always bring

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Speaker 3: that twelve to three, and then the next one is

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why a lot of these some

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Speaker 3: of these not these rules and these rule changes aren't

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Speaker 3: always the same. I just don't think that the NFL

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Speaker 3: wants a four hour or five hour game on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's why they don't do some of

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Speaker 3: the things that they do.

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Speaker 6: And let's be clear, like it's just two completely different

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Speaker 6: bodies running them, with different interests and different things they're considering.

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Speaker 6: And so it's not going to ever be a situation

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Speaker 6: where the NFL is like, Okay, well let's look at

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Speaker 6: the college game and see how we can get closer,

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Speaker 6: or the college games and look at say, let's look

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Speaker 6: at the NFL games, see how we can get closer.

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Speaker 6: They exist as two different bodies, they're two different leagues,

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Speaker 6: two different bodies, and so they're always going to operate separately,

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Speaker 6: which means their rules are going to evolve in different ways,

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Speaker 6: and sometimes you will see a rule happened in one

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Speaker 6: that precipitates a rule in the other. Like I think

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Speaker 6: targeting became an issue after the NFL started talking about

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Speaker 6: player safety from the standpoint of hitting depensiless receivers, hitting

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Speaker 6: We're going to protect this particular We're gonna protect players

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Speaker 5: And as a result, these will be the punitive rules.

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Speaker 6: So they were trying to do the same things, they

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Speaker 6: just did it in different ways, right, the penalties were

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Speaker 3: As we kind of wrap this up, though, I kind

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Speaker 3: of feel like, though that to me, the one rule

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Speaker 3: and you use the word punitive, that that is one

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Speaker 3: of the most punitive penalties that you could ever endure,

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Speaker 3: either for you or against you. You know, mainly against you.

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Speaker 3: If you know forty four forty five fifty yard penalties

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Speaker 3: for pass interference. To me, you know, the rules really

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Speaker 3: fifteen yard you know penalty is significant. I mean, are

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Speaker 3: excusing is sufficient for my take because, like I say,

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Speaker 3: That is big. I'd like to see the NFL adopt that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they ever will.

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Speaker 6: let's talk to safeties.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 5: This is a.

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Speaker 6: Position that I think, on paper, seems to be one

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Speaker 6: of the more stable positions on the team. You got

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Speaker 6: Malie Cooker, you got Donovan Wilson. They've been starters for

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Speaker 6: a few years. They are both back, they're both under contract.

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Speaker 6: Neither one is, as we know, holding out or anything.

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Speaker 6: So it seems like it's a very stable position. But

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Speaker 6: that being said, they have some young guys Yanye Thomas,

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Speaker 6: Marquee spell Israel Makuamu. Do you think that this is

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Speaker 6: a position that really is that why I should say

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Speaker 6: it like this?

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Speaker 5: Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 6: Or does Dallas really need to do more at this

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Speaker 6: position than just rely on Malie Cooker and Donovan Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek, I think the fact that you know that

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Speaker 3: I know, I've heard you know from thirty visits potentially

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Speaker 3: for the Cowboys with mcuba from the University of Texas

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Speaker 3: safety very I love outstanding safety, six foot eighty six pounds.

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Speaker 3: He can cover, h he tackles, he gets his hands

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Speaker 3: on the football, playmaker this guy. I mean, Texas has

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Speaker 3: got a very good secondary and you know, with with

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Speaker 3: Baron and mcuba and Muhammad, they've got some guys that

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Speaker 3: can absolutely play.

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Speaker 5: Cat babies was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so yeah, So to me, this is this

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Speaker 3: is one of those things that the Cowboys were talking

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Speaker 3: about it as we seem to be okay here, everything's fine. No,

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Speaker 3: they really you know, if they could upgrade Hooker and

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Speaker 3: they could upgrade Wilson and with a guy like maccuba. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: you know this is this is where I think, And

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Speaker 3: now how early would you have to do this? Forty four?

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Speaker 3: I think mccouba is one of the best safety.

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Speaker 5: Second round guy in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you would have to hit him in the second

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Speaker 3: round if you're interested in doing this, and they might

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Speaker 3: absolutely consider that because of all the things I just

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Speaker 3: talked about, find me a guy can you can you

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Speaker 3: say with certainty Hooker really covers, Wilson really covers where

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Speaker 3: they tackle really really well. Boy, they get their hands

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Speaker 3: on a lot of balls. That's that's that's all very

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Speaker 3: much up for debate. Yeah, so no, I think that

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Speaker 3: it's if you want to ask me a position that

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Speaker 3: people aren't talking about near enough for this football team. Safety,

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Speaker 3: that's one as far as drafting goes. Yes, I think

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Speaker 3: they're open to that. And the fact that they've identified

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Speaker 3: but Kuba as one of those guys, I think that's

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Speaker 3: a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 7: Honestly, I think I would be okay with the great

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Speaker 7: and I agree with Brian, you definitely need if you

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Speaker 7: can upgrade the position, for sure, But I would be

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Speaker 7: okay with the group of guys that Derek mentioned and

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Speaker 7: listed if I felt a lot better about the cornerback position.

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Speaker 7: I feel that the corners right now, you we need

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Speaker 7: to fix what's going on there. Right now, you don't

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Speaker 7: really have much, I mean other than there On Bland,

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Speaker 7: that's a solid guy, proven. You got Trevon Diggs that's

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Speaker 7: coming back from the injury. There's still a lot of

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Speaker 7: question marks surrounding him and everybody else. Aside from those

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Speaker 7: you know, turn.

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Speaker 3: Out to though.

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Speaker 5: Does he does Elm factor in that for you at all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that to me, if where I would

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Speaker 3: if you're if if Matt Eberflus is going to play

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Speaker 3: a lot of press coverage, man up you know and

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Speaker 3: play that's where Elam really that's his strength. You ask

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Speaker 3: a lot of zone, man Ambar's right, you better go

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Speaker 3: get you some corners. You don't know with Diggs, I

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Speaker 3: mean we're seeing clips of digs working and all that.

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Speaker 3: That's that's super positive. You know that he can. You

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Speaker 3: know that he wants to to get back on the

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Speaker 3: reasons why that. Teams, our people have talked about Dallas

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Speaker 3: at a corner at twelve. You know Will Johnson from

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Speaker 3: Michigan six too, you know, two hundred and six pounds.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there there are some conversations about these guys,

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Speaker 3: and this is a very deep draft when it comes

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Speaker 3: market for for looking just what Amber said, you know, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is you're really down to it. You would feel

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Speaker 3: a lot better if if Carson had played better last year,

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Speaker 3: you know, but the learning curve, the injuries, all those problems,

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Speaker 3: he just didn't get that. Hopefully this offseason will be

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Speaker 3: good for him. But you know, we've heard this before.

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Speaker 3: We've done it with the wide receivers. Oh we want

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Speaker 3: and all that. You say that and then they get

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Speaker 3: So she's absolutely right about it.

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Speaker 7: Well, and then with Alan, I mean we talked about

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Speaker 7: how everything's going to start coming together and clicking. And

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Speaker 7: with safeties, I think I always see it as a

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Speaker 7: supporting role right to the corners. So I think with

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Speaker 7: you not being as solid as you would like to

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Speaker 7: be in the cornerback, sorry, in the cornerback position, now

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Speaker 7: you're leaving these safeties, forcing them or putting them in

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Speaker 7: a quote unquote bad position where they're having to do

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Speaker 7: a lot more, trying to do more than what maybe

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Speaker 7: they're capable of at the time based on the current

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Speaker 7: talent that the team has. So absolutely if there is

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Speaker 7: an opportunity to upgrade the position, for sure, But if

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Speaker 7: you upgrade cornerback and get that group really solid where

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Speaker 7: you feel good about it, I think I would feel

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Speaker 7: a lot better about the curring guys on the roster

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Speaker 7: when it comes to the safeties.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we weren't supposed to talk about cornerbacks yet, what

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Speaker 6: kind of go. But what we're gonna do is we're

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Speaker 6: just gonna shift because that's what Amber brought us and

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Speaker 6: that's what we're gonna do. So that being said, here's

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Speaker 6: my question on cornerback. What do you think right now?

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Speaker 6: Like there, I hear what you're saying, Amber, and I

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Speaker 6: agree wholeheartedly. The bigger concern for me right now is

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Speaker 6: who is your day one slot? Because you know you

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Speaker 6: could possibly move land in. You just create one problem.

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Speaker 6: You just basically take a problem from one place to

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Speaker 6: put in another. But who is the slot? Who's the

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Speaker 6: guy that's going to be your third cornerback? At this point,

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Speaker 6: I don't even know if they have a real option

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Speaker 6: right now for that person.

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Speaker 5: What do you guys think about that?

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Speaker 6: And does that necessitate really at the Cowboys have to

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Speaker 6: maybe look at the first at least the first two

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Speaker 6: picks to find a corner because they're gonna need him

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Speaker 6: to play this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the options that the options at twelve and

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Speaker 3: forty four are clearly there, depending on and we'll see

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Speaker 3: what will Johnson. I mentioned him before it at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: What you know he's going to run. There's several corners

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Speaker 3: that have first round ability that are on that board.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is there some of them are coming

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Speaker 3: off injury. Revell from East Carolina might be the best

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Speaker 3: corner in the draft, but he hurt his knee, you know,

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Speaker 3: to start the season, missed the entire year. Morrison from

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame has a has a hip problem, but you know,

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Speaker 3: fine player in his own right, probably a first round player.

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Speaker 3: Could one of these guys show up at forty four

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Speaker 3: for the Cowboys? You know, there's there's people that you

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Speaker 3: know sometimes they they these corners will fall through the

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Speaker 3: draft if they're banged up a little bit, and and

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Speaker 3: Revel could be a guy. Boy, that would be just

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Speaker 3: a huge steal for the Cowboys if all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: say they were to take a receiver at twelve, and

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden one of those corners are

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Speaker 3: there at at forty four, boy, that would be that

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Speaker 3: would that would be just you know, you couldn't ask

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Speaker 3: from a better gift from the draft GUIDs if that

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Speaker 3: was the case. But yeah, this to your point, Derek,

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Speaker 3: there's there's going to be guys that are going to

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Speaker 3: Kansas State is an example of that. Mohammed from Oregon. Guy,

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Speaker 3: these are shorter guys. These are five ten, five nine guys,

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Speaker 3: but extremely quick, but able to kind of cover all

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Speaker 3: that ground. They might be in the market of having

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Speaker 3: to draft their corner or their draft their nickel because

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Speaker 3: the middle of the now. Not having a fourth round

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Speaker 3: pick as you sit right now, you know, maybe they

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Speaker 3: can't find a way to get that back or get

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Speaker 3: an extra three if they move down a few spots,

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Speaker 3: and that's where you would maybe address your secondary as well.

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Speaker 7: Let me shift the conversation just a tiny bit more.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about guards, Yeah, you talk about.

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Speaker 7: It's still about the corners. No, it's still about the corners,

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Speaker 7: but it was gonna I wanted to pose a different

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Speaker 3: They don't have starters right now.

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Speaker 7: Derek tv On, We know he got injured last season

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Speaker 7: he was healthy on the field. Good question Himber You

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Speaker 7: Well, you were asking about the squad and we talked

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Speaker 7: other question in regards to Tremon Diggs and what was

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Speaker 7: your final assessment of him and the way that he

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Speaker 3: You got a thought on that one, boss.

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Speaker 6: I know I heard a lot of people giving him

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Speaker 6: feel like it was always warranted. Now, that's the thing

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Speaker 6: about cornerback. You're not going to be perfect. Like every

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Speaker 6: cornerback is going to have moments. We did see him

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Speaker 6: in some moments last season where he got beat, but

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Speaker 6: that's also a part.

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Speaker 5: Of being a cornerback.

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Speaker 6: My question is more around like, did we see the

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Speaker 6: kind of game changing plays that we had seen his

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Speaker 6: in earlier years of his career, and I don't think

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Speaker 6: we saw those as much.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: Could that be because teams weren't throwing at him as much?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but that would be more. What I

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Speaker 6: would question is when it came down to those game

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Speaker 6: changes plays, I don't think those were there as much

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Speaker 5: Or just his ability to actually make those plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me, there was there was far

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Speaker 3: too many of these plays where you saw receptions, you know,

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Speaker 3: you saw like you know, you're kind of I think

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Speaker 3: there was. He gave up thirty three of them, I

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Speaker 3: think last year when he was playing and and you're like,

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Speaker 3: why is he not up? Why is he not more connected?

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Speaker 3: Why is he not And we've all we've seen him

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Speaker 3: at times be he's one of those guys that tends

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Speaker 3: to play on field. You know, he kind of can,

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Speaker 3: he could run with guys, he could stay in position.

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Speaker 3: He's we've seen him before. He's very much and when

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Speaker 3: it comes to putting himself into position to make plays,

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Speaker 3: he could do that. A lot of his interceptions are

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Speaker 3: to him, and but that's part of putting yourself in position.

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Speaker 3: I think there were too many times last year where

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Speaker 3: you watched him in the route and it just you

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Speaker 3: just felt he watching him. You felt he was really

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Speaker 3: times past where we've seen him play really really tight

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Speaker 3: drive on the ball, knock the ball down, it might

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Speaker 3: have had to do with his knee. It might have

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Speaker 3: had to do with some confidence or lack of confidence

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Speaker 3: that he could really explode and go make a player

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Speaker 3: go run with the guy inside. But there were just

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Speaker 3: far too many snaps last year where he just played disconnected,

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Speaker 3: and you know that that's something I think that was

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Speaker 3: the biggest concern for me.

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Speaker 6: And I can't remember the games, but there were it

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Speaker 6: seems like there were like at least two or three

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Speaker 6: times last year when he was in position the ball

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Speaker 6: and in the past that would have been an interception, right,

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Speaker 6: And that's those were the areas where I was more like, again,

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't mind my corner getting beat from times,

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Speaker 6: like I think that's just a part of the game.

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Speaker 5: You play good wide.

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Speaker 6: Receivers, you're gonna get beat. The What I love about

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Speaker 6: Diggs's game is he makes you pay though. Yeah, you

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Speaker 6: might beat him some, but he's gonna get you. And

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Speaker 6: when he gets you, he's gonna make a game changing

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Speaker 6: as he has been to this team, that means he's

871
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: gonna have to make those big plays going the other way.

872
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 5: So when he gets those opportunities and.

873
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 6: The ball gets there and he's there and his hands

874
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 6: are there, he's got to come away with the ball.

875
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 6: And that's where I was a little bit like, ugh,

876
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 6: that's that's not like Diggs. That's not that's not like him.

877
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 6: He makes that play usually he plays cornerback like a receiver.

878
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 6: And so that those are the things I think the

879
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 6: stick out to me more last year than even the

880
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 6: times when he got beat And.

881
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: I think some of the things that came up to

882
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: were the miss tackles. You know that that was something

883
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: when the ball would spill and then there's times when

884
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: he would be physical and step up. But you know,

885
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: if you go and look at the metrics, you know

886
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: he was credited with twelve miss tackles last year.

887
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 7: And that's my concern. Like when you talk about his

888
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 7: game and he one of the biggest criticisms towards him

889
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 7: is his lack of physicality when it comes to tackling

890
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 7: and that, oh, is he just afraid of tackling And

891
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 7: now that he got paid and all that, well, that's

892
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 7: the question mark for me because even last year when

893
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 7: you look at his game. I think it's safe to

894
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 7: say that it took a decline, like his game decline

895
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 7: then from what he was prior to that and after

896
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 7: him getting injured. Now you add the injury part to it,

897
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 7: and now it becomes even more concerning with him coming back.

898
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 7: What is the level that he's going to come back

899
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 7: to and how that's gonna look like. And so it's

900
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 7: just an extra added element to the lack of let's say,

901
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: who's going to play at the slot position there, and

902
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 7: it's just lots of question mark. The only guy that

903
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: I feel very secure is their own Bland right now.

904
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I think here's the thing.

905
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 6: I want to see, how tenacious uh Trayvon is in

906
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 6: coming back from the injury. How how much does he

907
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 6: attack the rehab how much does he does he really

908
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 6: kind of get out there and push it to get

909
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 6: him Because I have no doubt in Trayvon's ability. He's

910
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: shown it the level of capability that he has. And

911
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 6: I don't you know that, Yes we can. You can

912
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 6: talk about the plays that you know from a tackling

913
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 6: standpoint where maybe it wasn't great, But at the end

914
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 6: of the day, what I know about the guys. When

915
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 6: he's playing at his at his top level, he can

916
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 6: be one of the best cornerbacks in the National Football League.

917
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: So my question is, just if whatever we saw last

918
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 6: year was remnants of the knee from the year before

919
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 6: or whatever it was, can he attack this rehab in

920
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 6: a way to where he gets himself ready and next

921
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 6: time he's on the field he is mentally and physically

922
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 6: at top notch best case, I mean, best version of

923
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 6: Trayvon Diggs, then I think he can be again one

924
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 6: of the best cornerbacks in the league.

925
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 5: And so that's what I'll be looking for.

926
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 6: I know he's capable, it's just a question of whether

927
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 6: it ends up being that once he's back on the field.

928
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 6: All right, let's uh, let's move on. Let's talk a

929
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 6: little bit more. Actually we got a we only got

930
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 6: a couple of minutes here real quick.

931
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: Before we end. I did have a question back on

932
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: the quote on the topic of safeties.

933
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 6: What are the chances that some of those younger guys

934
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 6: like Thomas Bell and Makuamo actually overtake Hooker or Wilson,

935
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 6: uh for starting jobs or even for more playing time.

936
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a possibility. I I know visit with

937
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer last year before the season started. He was

938
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: a very he was a fan of Hooker and he

939
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: was a fan of of Wilson. And that's why you

940
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: saw those guys get the opportunities. Kind of a step

941
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: back for Bell, you know, we saw Bell. Bell was

942
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: when you're leading tackler the year before, playing linebacker, hang linebacker,

943
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: playing out a position, you're kind of thinking, well, man,

944
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: how can you keep a guy off the field. That

945
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: that's tough, you know, And you know, Mike had his

946
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: reasons for why he wanted to play Hooker and why

947
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: he wanted to play Wilson, and you know, and so

948
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: you know that's that's fine, you know, but no longer here,

949
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: Matt Eberflu's here, and we'll see hopefully that Bell and

950
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: Thomas both get opportunity this year. And but the fact

951
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: that they're they're talking to or the possibly of bringing

952
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: guys in for you know, thirty visits that are that

953
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 3: are high quality safeties, tells me that Eberflus might be like, listen,

954
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: we could upgrade a couple of different spots. You might

955
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: want to upgrade the starters and the backups will get

956
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 3: an opportunity I think that there's some things about Bell

957
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: that are that in coverage and toughness and all that,

958
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: you can absolutely play him, and you could do the

959
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: very same with Thomas. Thomas is a really good cover guy.

960
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 3: So I think that we're I wouldn't I would put

961
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: the starters of Hooker and Wilson in pencil right now.

962
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 3: I would not put them in pen I would I would.

963
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: I think that position is is very much in in

964
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: in flux right now, which will see when we get

965
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: to opening day. You know who exactly the starters are.

966
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: I think they have some questions about that.

967
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree with those two guys. Yeah, those

968
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 7: would be right now, the two at the top. But

969
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 7: what's cool about this as far as these guys and

970
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 7: the opportunities is that they have a legit chance of

971
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 7: actually going out there training camp competing for a legit

972
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 7: spot or even starting spot. So nothing is solidified right now.

973
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 7: I think anyone in the list right now can fight

974
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 7: for a spot and make their name known. And again

975
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 7: we'll see what happens during the draft and who else

976
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 7: comes into the mix here, but anyone on the list

977
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 7: right now has a good fighting chance.

978
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 3: There's Quale in this draft, though, there's as you follow

979
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: the three days here in Dallas Cowboys dot Com, there

980
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: are quality safeties in their quality corners. If they want

981
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: to address those positions, you should feel good about them

982
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: getting one or two guys out of that group that

983
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: can make a difference on your football team.

984
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 6: All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We will

985
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 6: be back next Tuesday. We'll have a more content for

986
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 6: you guys. We'll be talking I'm sorry next Wednesday. Sorry,

987
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 6: next Wednesday, and we'll talk about wide receiver and probably

988
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 6: another position.

989
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: We'll see if we have enough time for that one.

990
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 6: We'll see how it goes and see if Amberg throws

991
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 6: any other curveballs at us, changes up a little bit rundown,

992
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 6: We'll see for Brian brod us in Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.

993
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,279
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994
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995
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