1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Twitter is turning into a con 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Today we have a great show. Ruben Diego, who represents 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: Arizona's seventh congressional district, will tell us all about what 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: he's seeing in the mid terms. Then we'll be joined 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: by Chief Hoskin Jr. Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: and Kim Teh, the Cherokee Nations nominee to be their 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: delegate to Congress, who will talk to us about a 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: host of issues. But first we have the Lincoln Projects. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, the host of the new podcast The Enemies List. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast, How 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: are you today. I'm good. I feel like we're back 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: on the old days of the Internet, when Twitter in 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen one Twitter was a little bit read it, 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: when there was a little bit more ship than ship show. 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I said, I like went to sleep on 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Twitter and woke up on four Chan like level of 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: like crazy vitriol. These are people that before I became 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: an Internet person, I thought they were a Russian bots, 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: and I was much happier now that I know their 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: actual people in America. It's really scary. Well, I mean, look, 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: I'll probably get in trouble for this. I know that 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: shocking that I'm not taxing to get me in trouble. 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: The ones who are the anonymous dip shits, as you know, 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: like t J Thundercock, Maga, Ultra Nuclear Sex God nine 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: which may or may not be my screen name here 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: on the podcast Apple recording this on today. When you've 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: got guys like that, you know who either have a 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Peppie defrog Avatar or they've got their dollar store knockoff 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: costa sunglass is in their uh interest rate Ford f 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: two fifty. As a former Ford, I paid cash for mine. 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: But that's another story. You know, these guys who who 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: for years complained like if I'd say anything against against 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: the blue check liptards, I'll get canceled by the beard. 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: Twitter will cancel me. They're so woke. Well, Daddy Elon's 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: here now, everybody, So why don't you come out and 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: fight under your own names? Why don't you come out 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: and lose the anonymous pictures of Roman generals or of 40 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, John Wayne or Arnold Schwarzenegger or whatever homorotic 41 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: thing is stoking your repression and just come out and 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: and own what you say. Okay. So a eighty two 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: year old man was attacked by a forty two year 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: old man who had been for the last few years 45 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: and posting on a Q and on blog that man 46 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: broke into Nancy Pelosi's residence to their at night. He 47 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: attacked eighty two year old Paul Pelosi. He screamed, where's Nancy. Yeah. 48 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: He hit Pelosi with a hammer, hit him in the head. 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: It's been reported by CNN today that he had plastic 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: zip ties with him, which again a favorite of those 51 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: January six tourists zip ties, because that's what you do 52 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: when you're on a tourist vacation, as you bring zip 53 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: ties with you. Somehow, Pelosi got into the bathroom, called 54 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: nine one, the police came. Paul Pelosi now in the 55 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: hospital having all kinds of surgery on his hands, on 56 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: his head, he has a fractured skull. Republicans are begging 57 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: for forgiveness and saying that political violence is not okay. 58 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh wait no, they're not. Rick Wilson thoughts, well, look, 59 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: let's let's be blunt and I posted something well a 60 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: little before we recorded this on the Twitter machine, calling 61 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: it what it was. It was an assassination attempt. The 62 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: guy was looking for Nancy Pelosi. He brought a hammer, 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: He was screaming, where is Nancy? Where is Nancy? And 64 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: the argument that this guy is crazy, guy has mental problems, 65 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: that the guy has some sort of past history of 66 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: posting liberal things is all irrelevant. He was motivated by 67 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: this ecosystem of conspiracy and of lies, and he was 68 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: he was caught up in that whirlpool of bullshit that 69 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon and Rupert Murdoch and Lachlan Murdoch and Alex 70 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: Jones and a hundred other imitators of each of those 71 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: every day puts out there into the world where very 72 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: soft minded, very weak minded people on the MAGA side 73 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: of the equation snap up the conspiracy theory and start 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: living it. And the fact that this guy may have 75 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: had mental problems is irrelevant to the case. It's irrelevant. 76 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: He didn't have mental problems in pick Nancy Pelosi out 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: of a lineup randomly, out of the phone book. He 78 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: had mental problems, and the agit prop propaganda ecosystem out 79 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: there fed him an endless stream of insanity, and it 80 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: told him that Nancy Pelosi had to be destroyed, that 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: she's a socialist, communist, sleeper, agent, pedophile. Whatever soup brewed 82 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: up in this guy's brain, fed by that media ecosystem, 83 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: fed by the Q and Honors, fed by the big 84 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: lie people, fed by the billionaires who are funding these operations, 85 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: these news operations, and who know better. That's what led here. 86 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: I want to make a point about assassinations, and people 87 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: are the right wing people. They're losing their ship with 88 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: me on Twitter right now to a scope I haven't 89 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: seen since the before times of like. And it's because 90 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: I said that this is an assassination attempt, and until 91 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm told otherwise by any set of evidence otherwise, I 92 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: don't care what their excuses are. I don't care if 93 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: they say, well, what about a TAFA storing the capital 94 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: and approach? What about this? What about I don't care. 95 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Their side of this equation is dedicated now to violence. 96 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: They proved it on one six, They excuse it to 97 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: this day. Most of their candidates on the trail across 98 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: this country, from dog Catcher to U S. Senate, still 99 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: believe in that lie, or they're willing to claim they 100 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: believe in that lie to get elected, and it is 101 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: going to feed this monster. And throughout history, Molly an 102 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: awful lot of people who committed political assassinations. They were 103 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: not the devious masterminds. They were not the movie the 104 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: movie version of the cool, calculating professional killer on a 105 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: rooftop somewhere. They were crazy people. They were insane people 106 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: who got caught up in a web of lies and 107 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: deceptions and bullshit and propaganda and were manipulated by some 108 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: people who are much smarter than they are and manipulated 109 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: into doing things and being convinced that what they're going 110 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: to do is the thing that saves the world and 111 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: that validates their lives and it turns them into something heroic. 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: It is no different than a troubled, mentally ill fifteen 113 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: year old or sixteen or seventeen year old who is 114 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: picked up by ISIS or al Qaeda or any other 115 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: terrorist group and told, Okay, I mean you're gonna run 116 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: this bomb truck into the into the roadblock and kill 117 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: all these American soldiers because you're going to heaven and 118 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: that will save the people of Islam. It is no 119 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: different it is a psychologically manipulative process that breeds and 120 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: activates killers, and these people are responsible for it. Right. 121 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: So but let's talk about the response to the response, 122 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: because this is really interesting. So I had sort of 123 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: thought people are going to say, like, this is enough. 124 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: Even Fox people are going to say, this is enough. 125 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: It's scary. He's eighty two, he's getting brain surgery. Look, 126 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm no fan of Paul Pelosi. I mean the guy, 127 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: as I've said again and again again, members of Congress 128 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: should not have spouses who trade stocks. Okay, like period paragraph, 129 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: and one of the greatest examples of that is Paul Pelosi. 130 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: But I thought for sure this would be a bridge 131 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: too far. But in fact, the way that the right 132 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: has messaged this was you know this never happened or 133 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: be was this is democrats are going to do something 134 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: terrible now in order to get you back. Well, remember 135 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the first the first iteration of it was, this just 136 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: proves our point that San Francisco is a festering hell 137 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: hole of crime, and this this is gonna happen to anybody. 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: Remember a lot of their first statements were this could 139 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: happen to anybody that they want to defund the police, 140 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: and this is what happens if you defund the police. Well, 141 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: it turned out it wasn't that, and their next iteration 142 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: was even more lurid and insane. And it's being pushed 143 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: by you know, quality individuals like Denish to Susa, you 144 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: know who who I wouldn't believe Dextra Sus if he 145 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: said the sun rose in the east and the sky 146 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: tends to be a bluish color, you know, and John 147 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: Cardillo and Bongino and you know, all the usual assortment 148 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: of of maga's chodes and scumbags and weirdos. So they 149 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: transformed it based on nothing into it was a lurid 150 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: gay sex orgy, and you know, Paul Pelosi and this 151 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: guy or lovers and the whole. First off, if you're 152 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: eighty two years old and you still want to go 153 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: hit it, God bless you will straight, I don't, God 154 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: bless go get it. Do get it, tiger, go get it. 155 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: But if you're eighty two years old and you are 156 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: paying for sex, okay, so again eighty two paying for 157 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: sex already were that's like four people? Okay, I think 158 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: that's fair to say. Are you going to be doing 159 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: that with a guy who has a long history of 160 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: writing on Q and on and psychotic behavior. It doesn't 161 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: meet the OCAM's jigglo test. Okay, it just doesn't work. Yes, 162 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: acam's jigglo the entire right, we meet the ecosystem now. 163 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: Of course, then follows along because Elon quotes the Observer, 164 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: which apparently has previously informed us that Hillary Clinton was 165 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: dead and replaced by a clone. Um And it is 166 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: not what we call a actual mainstream or even right 167 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: wing media publication. It's just one of these auto bot 168 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: style AI generated content farms. Makes the Gateway Pundent look 169 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: like the New York Times, right, it's one of these 170 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: weirdo a I generated content farms. And so, of course, 171 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: now I'm told at air time he's pulled that tweet down. 172 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case or not. I 173 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: haven't changed it. Well, you know, quietly, twenty two million 174 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: followers probably didn't see it, right, probably missed it because 175 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: obviously it's the responsible thing to do. All I have 176 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: to say is I still believe that regardless of Elon 177 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: buying Twitter, he has a lot of investors. He wants 178 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: to keep the valuation of this investment high. He wants 179 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: to make those investors happy, because some of them are 180 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: people who cut your head off if you suck them. 181 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia had hint Um and you know, I'm just 182 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: gonna make a guess. This is a crazy guess. Now 183 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 184 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: that American corporate advertisers, if there's a good possibility that 185 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Ellen is gonna someday retweet ju Killer six sixty six, 186 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: Oven Master, Maga, Nuclear Lord, seem that they might not 187 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: want to have their ad dollars on that platform. The 188 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: idea that you're going to have this platform with zero 189 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: content moderation has given the Maga's a heart on for 190 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: weeks on end, and they've been absolutely fanatic about it. 191 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: A lot of these ad companies are gonna think to themselves, 192 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: huh so, it's gonna be a free for all ship 193 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: show where anti Semitism where the in word, and and 194 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: the entire spectrum of unbelievably ship tier behavior that is 195 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: definitional to the trolling Maga nihilist movement is going to 196 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: be what the platform is known for. That sounds like 197 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: a great recipe for family friendly companies. Well, I think, hey, 198 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: come on down to Universal Studios the Park and we're 199 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna make sure we show you the advertisement right over 200 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: the place where someone says Kanye was right about the Jews, right, 201 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I think the story here 202 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: is that you can't four chan does not have great advertisers. 203 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Well listen, if you really want the good advertisers, you've 204 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: got to go to eight kun, which replaced four chan, 205 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: because four chan is eight kun for cux, right exactly. 206 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: It's that. I think the point is that, you know, 207 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: the reality is and I think it's the sort of 208 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: lesson from Facebook here, right, People stop being on Facebook 209 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: except the very low information you know, your grand uncle, 210 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean the sort of people who are much older 211 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: people really went off of Facebook because it had so 212 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: much kind of four Chan content, and I think that's 213 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: possibly what we're going to see a Twitter. So I 214 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: um was having a discussion with a let's call it 215 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: a tech activist person from the valley on Friday and 216 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: the feeling of that Facebook has placed a gigantic pile 217 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: of money in the middle of a warehouse, and that 218 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg has piled up that money and poured gas 219 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: on it like the joker and set it on fire 220 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: to do the meta cartoon universe thing he's doing at 221 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: the same time as their user base is imploding and 222 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: their stock prices cratering. This person, who is a serious 223 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: tech investor, said said, I'm enjoying every second of this. 224 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: I was out of Facebook a couple of years ago, 225 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: and I'm enjoying every second of this. Yes, Twitter is 226 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: now a private company in the hands of Elon Musk, 227 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: but there's an awful lot of paper out there that 228 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: isn't his money. And if you don't think you're gonna 229 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: have other other stakeholders in this operation saying wait, you 230 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: think we're gonna we're gonna turn this into the the 231 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: Elon Musk free speech zone. So look, they're not gonna 232 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: turn Twitter into into what what the magas think it's 233 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: gonna be. Now we are hearing the never any drum 234 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: beat that Trump will be back on Monday. We'll see, 235 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens on midnight. He will will kill 236 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: Trump truth Social if he does that. That's like saying, wow, 237 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: these zombies are chasing after us. We better not shoot 238 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: them because it might hurt them. True Social is already 239 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: a dead social media platform. I mean that that is 240 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: that that that that truth of Trump's from Friday, But 241 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: truth is truth. Socialists out of doing Facebook, TikTok, Twitter 242 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: and the rest like okay, Grandpa, time for your medicine 243 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: and your nap. Good God, I'm curious to know how 244 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: you think this plays out. Now, this has become like 245 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: everything else in this country becomes a cultural war battle. 246 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: Everything in the country is always now reduced to a 247 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: cultural war fight everything. And so you know, the right 248 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: at the moment is feeling this triumphalism, this two tier triumphalism. 249 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: We've got Twitter back, and we're gonna win everything in 250 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: the election. And and these two things have freed us 251 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: from the from our normal levels of polite discretion. Now 252 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: we shall have a have a little spring of dickishness, 253 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: but I do think it. You know, this is we're 254 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: back to this idea that invisible impression is the hardest 255 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: to fight, right, that not being oppressed at all is 256 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: the worst kind of oppression. Right, I mean the idea 257 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: that middle class white dudes and upper middle class white 258 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: dudes are the real victims here of American culture today. There, 259 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, whenever I see a guy in the last 260 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: like forty eight hours seventy two hours on Twitter. Who 261 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: starts out saything like, well, I don't like everything Trump did, 262 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: but you know the Jews control everything. When I see that, 263 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: all I can think of is, man, I just feel 264 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: so bad for your for your economic anxiety. If your 265 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: economic anxiety for more than four years, talk to your doctor. 266 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: And I look, a lot of these, a lot of 267 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: these people who are trying to run for office as 268 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: election deniers and conspiracy goons are gonna win, and it's 269 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: gonna get more normalized, and it's gonna get more regularized. 270 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: That's gonna get more Two years ago, Marjorie Taylor Green 271 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: was unacceptable and must descript of her committees by the Republicans. 272 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Now she is the most powerful Republican in the new 273 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: caucus that will be elected, and it's going to be 274 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: a Republican majority so far. Sorry, folks, math and redistricting suck. 275 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: She's now the most powerful person in that caucus. She's 276 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: runs the Republican caucus. She's every morning, Kevin McCarthy, they're 277 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna go knock on the door and go go get 278 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: the gimp. Gim Sleeping Marge wants the gimp, and they're 279 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: gonna haul McCarthy out there, and he's gonna dance like 280 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: a like a robot to what Marjore Taylor Green wants. 281 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: And she's gonna want the impeachment of Joe Biden. Two 282 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: years of Hunter Biden laptop investigations, and on and on 283 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: and on and on and on we have, you know, 284 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, if she is the sort of queen 285 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: of the House and McCarthy is the speaker or Jim 286 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: Jordan's is the speaker, he really could see a Republican 287 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: House that really hurts puplkins in and spend the next 288 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: two years. No, no, look, this is all over again. 289 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: Where in ninety four the Republicans want a huge majority, 290 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: they overreached in ninety four, and so in ninety six 291 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: Clinton was able to win. And then in right, these 292 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: people they got so over their skis, and you know, 293 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: and and believe me, who doesn't who doesn't yearn for 294 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: the days of impeachments over blow jobs or just yearn 295 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: from Maybe maybe that'll be cut out of the final version. 296 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: But but but you know they're going to go and 297 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: remember what happens now is going to be amplified to 298 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: a degree that was unimaginable back then with social media 299 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: and this integrated right wing media ecosystem, and it's going 300 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: to sound and look to American voters not just like 301 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: the other parties in charge, but like the craziest people 302 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: you ever saw were in charge. You know, I didn't 303 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: add the other day it was very much a gen 304 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: x ad. It was called Large March. It was about, 305 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, Marjorie Taylor Green, and it was a play 306 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: on Large March from Petee Herman and I had people saying, like, 307 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, she is the craziest, craziest lady I've 308 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: ever seen. And it just struck me that people have 309 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: not priced in the fact that when reporters on congressional 310 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: matters in the next two years are covering, they're going 311 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: to her first, not to Kevin, not to Steve Schools, 312 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: not to at least to Phonic. Well, although you know, Atleastphonic. Yeah, 313 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: of course, at least to Phonic is now just like 314 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. They can't fake it anymore. They can't 315 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: fake it. Reuben Diego represents Arizona's seventh congressional district. Welcome 316 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: to fast Politics, Reuben Diego, God damn it I wanted 317 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: to see, or a congressman because you're a fancy congressman. 318 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm a fancy man. Yeah, very speaking of which, okay, 319 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: make me feel better. Our Democrats going to get shellacked 320 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: in this mid terms. No. Look, if you would have 321 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: asked any you know, congressman, pronosticator or just political nerd, 322 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: how would the Democrats do after winning the presidential election, 323 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: they would say, of course, we're going to lose because 324 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: like the party empire always loses. The fact is right now, 325 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: it's the Republicans are losing the Senate race, and you know, 326 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: the House races like it's up in the air and 327 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: it shouldn't even be up in the air, right, And 328 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: so I tells you how bad the you know, the 329 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: brand of the Repulican Party is that they're still trying 330 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: to figure out how to get to a majority even 331 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: after the all the Germany wins that they have. So, 332 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: you know, keep the faith. We're on the way, all right. 333 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: So talk to me about You are from probably one 334 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: of the most important states in the country because it 335 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: is like, has a lot going Yes, it's the best, 336 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: it's near, yes, but it's also got a lot going on. 337 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: What is happening in Arizona and explain to us, because 338 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean, all I see is terrifying blurry carry lake everywhere. 339 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: You know, Arizona has moved to a very competitive state. Normally, 340 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: if you find us in an off your election, we're 341 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: not very and we're not very compelible state for Democrats. 342 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: But look, Arizona has been moving the right way because 343 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: the Arizona Decratic Party, Arizona Democrats, we just know how 344 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: to fight, and the Republican Party is just well not 345 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Republican party. But the candidans they put up this year 346 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: are just a bunch of wackos up and down the ticket, 347 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: and so we've effectively been able to fight that argument. Now, 348 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: it's still a kind of you know, swing state, so 349 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: Repuglicans are always going to get closed at least for 350 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: this cycle. But you know, we're in the thick of it. 351 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: Our polling shows that the Democrats going up and down 352 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: the ticket and we're just trying to go all the way. 353 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: But you can't deny that it's a tight race, because 354 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: again Arizona is a swing State's always going to be tight, 355 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: at least for the next couple of cycles. Yes, it's 356 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: always been going to be tight. But it feels like 357 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: from where I am, which is quite far away, that 358 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: Carry Lake is fighting in a way that her opponent, 359 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: Katie Hobbs is not. Well. They have two different styles. 360 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: I would say one is kung fu, the other one 361 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: is jiu jitsu, and I think Katie Hobbs is doing 362 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu where you know, Carry is mostly just kind 363 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: of throwing haymakers. Everyone see what she could end at 364 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: the end of the day. You know, I think the 365 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: quality of the messaging matters, and I think Carry Lake's 366 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: messaging is not that great. When it comes to the electorate, 367 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is very unpopular in Arizona. I think Carry 368 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: Lake is Pike ex doing a little too close to him, 369 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: and that's why the elections are you know, one or 370 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: two points with Katie Hobbs in the lead or or 371 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: or one of points behind. But like it's still a 372 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: very competitive race. There are a lot of people listeners 373 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: podcast who are pretty committed Democrats who are pretty freaked out. 374 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: So what would you tell them? Stop being freaked out, 375 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: stop letting other people freak you out. Just continue to 376 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: call un raised, door knock and pushed through the campaign. 377 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: This is an environment that's being built up by the media. 378 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: The fact that we're still in the hunt should tell 379 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: you a lot where the public is versus where the 380 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: media is. Because the media was telling us that Democrats 381 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: were dead in the water four months ago, three months ago, 382 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: two months ago, one month ago, two weeks ago, and 383 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: yet we're still here. So stop looking to the media 384 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: to give you direction. Just put your head down, hit 385 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: the doors, get on the phones, don'tate to your favorite candidates, 386 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: and let's just win this. So let's talk about your 387 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: favorite candidates. Who are candidates that our listeners should be 388 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: maybe donating to, who aren't on their radar. I would 389 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: say to down in southern Florida, rebect to us Censio, 390 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: who was a last minute run against Carlos Himenez. He 391 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: is a former police officer, army veteran, former state legislator 392 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, with very little support, has is 393 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: within three points of Carlos Himenez and any money going 394 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: towards him right now is going to go very very 395 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: long way. Also, Annette to Dale, who is really like 396 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: a rock star candidate Colombian origin. You know, one of 397 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: those people that you can't really you know, especially down 398 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: in Uh, Florida, where they you know, you claim that, 399 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, they try to claim everyone's the sources are communists. 400 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: Her parents were literally kidnapped by communists in Colombia. She 401 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: owns her own small business. I mean, she is great. 402 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: And she was the first Colombian born in Colombia, an 403 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: American ice citizen, nationally citizen, to become a member of Congress. 404 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: And so those two are really really strong pickups. I 405 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: think Yadida Catta veil in Colorado. And then for Arizona, 406 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: Jevin Hodge who's running against Dave Schweigert. It's been keeping 407 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: a very tight Every poll has him tied. And then 408 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: Kristin ingled on southern Arizona, the former Givers district. Again 409 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: every poll has them tied. But because you were a 410 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: flyover state, a lot of the I would say, a 411 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: lot of the money kind of misses these two races. 412 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: Talk to me about one of the things that there's 413 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot of coverage about is this idea that Democrats 414 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: can't win Latinos or the Democrats are losing that group. 415 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: Can you talk about that? Sure? Look in some areas 416 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: we are losinging Latinos, which I mean we're losing them. 417 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: We're not winning them by as much as we used 418 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: to write, and sometimes that does matter depending on what happens. 419 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: Sometimes we are winning Latinos by smaller margins, but there 420 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: are now more Latinos, so it doesn't really matter. So 421 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: like as a population expands, we're winning six right, So 422 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's still a winning margin. 423 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: Some areas, it shows us what happens when you don't 424 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: do work. You know, Southern Texas there's been years and 425 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: years of neglect. Southern Florida was in years and years 426 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: of neglect. It's going to take us a while to 427 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: really start coming back. And then there's really good examples 428 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: of the opposite of that, you know, California, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada. 429 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of places you're seeing that 430 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: work doesn't matter. But you know, you have to make 431 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: them put the money and you have to put the 432 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: investment in. You know, the Latino vote, it's not that 433 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: it's a swing vote. It's either a I'm not going 434 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: to vote where I'm going to vote, and then maybe 435 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: some people are always going to vote Republican, Like the 436 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: Latino population is always gonna be Republican and the voting Republican. 437 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: And the trick for Republicans is they just need to 438 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: like shave off three to four points in order for 439 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: them to really affect an election. So you know, our 440 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: job is to hold them and expand them. Talk to 441 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: me about what you think Democrats could do better with them. 442 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of talk about this, 443 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: but I still feel like we're not quite hearing what 444 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: do you think Democrats could do better to make a 445 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: case to those voters. Well, the most important group among 446 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: the Latino voters that are the swing voters are the 447 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: male voters. Male Latino voters, and they're very different from 448 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: everybody else. You have to reach out to them. You 449 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: have to talk to them about things that matter to them, 450 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: which is very working class issues, making a salary, buying 451 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: a home, starting a business, having security. A lot of 452 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: times we don't really reach out to them. They're very 453 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: hard population to reach out to. They're they're not watching TV. 454 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: There a lot of times they are working all day, 455 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: so radio is kind of the places to be. So 456 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: you just need to reach out to them way earlier. 457 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: You need to talk to him about like the success 458 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: of the binding campaign, right now. You know, Latino unemployment 459 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: is the lowest that's ever been. We have the highest 460 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: amount of businesses being started by Latinos in the history 461 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: of this country. So we have a lot of successes 462 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: we can talk about, and we also should be talking 463 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: about what we could be doing in the future, like 464 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, more small business loans, you know, helping people 465 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: get by their first homes, child tax credit, all these 466 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: things that I think are you know, extremely extremely important. 467 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: And we have to recognize that they do worry about crying. 468 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: A lot of us live in neighborhoods that aren't exactly 469 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: what people would say are safe, and so you need 470 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: to talk to them about how, yes, we are the 471 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: party that's actually been helping trying to get you know, 472 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: police back into onto the streets after being fired from 473 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: after being waylaid by COVID or because like you know, 474 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: prevented cities from firing up on too police officers because 475 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: of you know, downturns and tax me there's a lot 476 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: of we'll be talking about we to actually be reaching 477 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: out to them. So you think ultimately the sort of 478 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: the way to get to those voters is to appeal 479 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: to working class concerned Yes, I mean Latinos in general 480 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: are working class. I mean that's also the same, by 481 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: the way, for African Americans everything else. Like they're all 482 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: working class, and we just we need to talk to them, 483 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: and you know, by how we would talk to any 484 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: other working class people. And I don't think we were 485 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: doing that. I think we think that they are somehow 486 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: like white liberal adjacent removed and they're not. So talk 487 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: to me about sort of what you when you talk 488 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: to people who are Latino working class, Like, what are 489 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: the sort of things you talk about in order to 490 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: kind of sell the Democratic ideas? Well? I well, I 491 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: saw bio because like I saw my bio to them, 492 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: I talked about being a veteran, about serving my country, 493 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: about loving story of my country, about the American dream, 494 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: about how everything that we do as Democrats is to 495 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: for the American dream, like making you know, college affordable, 496 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: making it easier for you to start a business, making 497 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: it you know, you're able to buy a home. You know, 498 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: so like that is the key to this. Also making 499 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: sure that you're talking about, you know the contrast between 500 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: the Republicans, who are you going to support corporations versus 501 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, Democrats going to support workers. And then I 502 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: bring in my bio into as someone who worked his 503 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: way through college and you know it worked at me 504 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: packing factories and constructing sites like these are the things 505 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: that they can kind of connect to. But not being 506 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: afraid to engage really into the conversation about you know, economics, 507 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: and not being afraid to say, like, you know what, 508 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: billionaires should be paying their their fair share and you 509 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: should be making a higher wage. Like that's okay to 510 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: be having these conversations, but we we tend for something 511 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: to not tie these conversations with Latino males, which I 512 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: think is short sighted. It's funny because I think of 513 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: like Biden, his whole thing is he's a working class guy, right, 514 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean he's actually from a working class family as 515 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: opposed to like a pretend working class guy and Democrats ultimately, right, 516 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean none of you know, these are working class 517 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: things where the party is trying to get for. It's 518 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: can still too, and so it is strange that there's 519 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: a disconnect where you have Republicans people like Ted Cruz. 520 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean, part of it, we just don't talk about it, 521 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: Like for example, we're bringing a freaking chip plan to Ohio, 522 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: A microchip plan to Ohio. If this had happened on 523 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: the Trump he would have been there every week talking 524 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: about like bringing microchip industry, the industrial based back to Ohio. 525 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: We don't really talk about our successes like this is 526 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: a big, big deal. The fact that we're going to 527 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: bring you, you know, manufacturing, high end manufacturing back to 528 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: Nasty is not just Ohio. We literally should be bragging 529 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: about this from the top of our lungs, and we 530 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: we don't. I don't know why we don't, but we 531 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: really should. And and that's this one area that we're 532 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: missing right now. Like when I talked to Latinos about 533 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: the IRA and about Biparti infrastructure deal, I don't actually 534 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: talk about getting to the weeds. What I literally tell 535 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: him is we're gonna have billions of dollars trillions of 536 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: dollars of construction jobs coming back. And it's much easier 537 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: for me when I talked to a Latino country when 538 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: I say construction jobs, then trying to say, oh, we 539 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: have some very green jobs that are sustainable, blah blah blah. No, 540 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: just say construction jobs, right. Like the people you're talking 541 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: to are not master, they're not you know, they don't 542 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: have degrees in in in you know, policy. They're very 543 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: bright people, they're very motivate paople, they're very innovative people. Right, 544 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: but the nuance isn't important. No, don't even talk with nuances. 545 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: Just just cut to the chase. Yeah, we're bringing new jobs, 546 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: better paying jobs, construction jobs, road jobs, bridges, like we 547 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: can't get into this, like we're creating a new green economy, 548 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: and then be surprised when he doesn't hit with people. 549 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: So I had um Andrew Ross Sorkin on the podcast 550 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: and he was talking about what a Democratic president could 551 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: do to ease inflation, and one of the things he 552 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: said was solve our immigration problem. It feels like there's 553 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: a lot of like nobody wants to deal with it, right, 554 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: Like Republicans want to put all immigrants in jail or 555 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: fly them around the country and use them as props. 556 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: Denmocrats don't want to deal with it either. Okay, that's 557 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: not true either, Like like Democrats you want to, like 558 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: we pass several immigration laws and they just get bottled 559 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: up in the Senate because of the filibuster. So like 560 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: number one, let's not put this like this is a 561 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: very by the way, this is a very insidious trope 562 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: that the Republicans use, like, oh, Democrats don't want to 563 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: save this either. No, we pass bills every time we 564 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: have control, and the Republicans used the filibuster to stop it. Right. 565 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: The Republicans need immigration for them to actually be able 566 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: to split our base of working class voters. So every 567 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: time we we do we every time we ask for 568 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: any compromisers, and we do compromise, they always like change 569 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: the goal polls. Right, So you know, do you want 570 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: to deal with inflation? Yeah, Like partly is because we 571 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: have a labor slack right now. There's not enough workers 572 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of the things we need to do. 573 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: And even when we do get out of inflation, we're 574 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: still not gonna have enough workers. And we should have 575 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: a very flexible, you know, visa program to bring workers 576 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: over so they don't come over illegally. But like, let's 577 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: not fall on this trap like that. Both sides you know, 578 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: are not are not trying to sell this. No, we 579 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: try saw this all the time. The Republicans will always 580 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: find a way to filibuster it, and yeah, they'll point 581 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: out to oh, one Democrat also participant in filibuster. But 582 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: this is a national solution that is needed, and the 583 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: Republicans are never participating in it, So how could Democrats 584 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: get Republicans to participate in it? Honestly, it's not gonna happen. 585 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: Let's be clear. There's never gonna be immigration reform that 586 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: involves Republicans being controlled. It's just not gonna happen. We 587 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: have to have control of the House, and we had 588 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: to have control of the Senate enough to overcome a 589 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: filibuster or enough or get rid of the filibuster, and 590 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: then we get confer immigration form that we passed that 591 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: has a pathway citizenship, you know, brings off the security 592 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: to the border, brings you know, some stability and predictability 593 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: people that want to apply for, you know, for immigration 594 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: visa things of that nature, work visas. And that's like 595 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: this obsession that Republicans are not going to take part 596 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: of it. They haven't. They voted literally, they voted against 597 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: their own bill, the bills that they've written in the past. Right, So, 598 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: like give up on this idea. Either we get this 599 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: done on our own, or we just assume that's never 600 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: gonna happen, because we're not gonna get Republicans on this. 601 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: This is not gonna happen when you primary in Karston Cinema. 602 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: That's a good job, good trying. So that's yes, you're 603 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: not gonna get me on a roll. And to be like, 604 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, just say a random The answer the same, 605 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: my first rodeo, the same, my first rodeo. It's worth 606 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: a shot, man, it's worth a shot. Right, you shot 607 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: your shot. I don't blame you. I get it. Thank 608 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: you so much Ruben for coming in the podcast. No 609 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: problem to you soon. Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr. Is the 610 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, and Kim t He 611 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: is the Cherokee Nation's nominee to their delegation in Congress. 612 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Chief Chuck Hoskin. Hello, this is 613 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: Chief Chuck Hoskin, and welcome Kim Teh. Hi. Good morning, 614 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: this is Kim t He. I am super excited to 615 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: have you both here, Chief Hoskin. Can you explain a 616 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: little bit about who you are and the group that 617 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: you represent and sort of get us all up to speed. Sure. Well, 618 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm Chuck Hoskin, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, that is, 619 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: the elected chief executive of the Cherokee Nation, where the 620 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: largest tribe in the United States. Just to get a 621 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: sense of our government. We have a government that has 622 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: a chief executive, but which I'm the top elected official. 623 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: We have a legislative branch, we have an independent judiciary, 624 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: and of course Kim t he's with us. So I 625 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: have a number of folks that I appoint to carry 626 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: out various executive functions. And of course hers is so 627 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: exciting because it reaches back to a treaty to effectuated 628 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: right that the Cherokee people have dating back two years. 629 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: So tell us about this treaty. Well, Kim is well 630 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: versed on it, but I'll say this. The treaty that 631 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about is the Treaty of eighteen thirty five, 632 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: and it is a treaty that was the basis for 633 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: our forced removal. A lot of your listeners may be 634 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: familiar with the Trail of Tears, that's the forced removal 635 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,959 Speaker 1: of the Cherokee people and other tribes in the southeastern 636 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: part of the United States to our new homeland. It 637 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: was a very traumatic period of time, very dark chapter 638 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: in the history of the United States. So that treat 639 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: is often regarded by the Cherokee people rightfully so as 640 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: a real symbol of injustice in this country. But within 641 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: it is something very powerful, which is provision that says 642 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: that the Cherokee Nations shall have a delegate in the 643 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: House of Representatives when Congress shall make provision for the same. Well, 644 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: here we are, I said two hundred years earlier. Were 645 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: over a hundred and eighty years later. Uh, And we 646 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: are asking Congress to make provision for the same. And 647 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: and I have selected, and our council has confirmed someone 648 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: who's just perfect for and that's Kim Teh and who 649 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: who knows the treaty history and knows exactly what to 650 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: do when she gets seated in the Congress. Kim, will 651 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: you explain to me this would mean that the Cherokee 652 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: Nation would finally have it would just be your group 653 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: alone that would be represented by this congress person. Yes, 654 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: the treaty right is with the Cherokee Nation. As Chief mentioned, 655 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: we are the largest fadily recognized Indian tribe. I also 656 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: want to say to that the Removal Treaty importantly is 657 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: considered the supreme law of the land. It was ratified 658 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 1: by the Senate and signed by the President United States, 659 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: and it's never been aggregated. So it's been it's been 660 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: confirmed as a ballot treaty. Right, I just want to 661 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: reiterate that, and the treaty, right, this particular treaty, right 662 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: is just with the Cherokee Nation. There would be no 663 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: floodgates opening here. There are two other treaties that exist 664 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: out there that we're aware of regarding to other tribes. 665 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: But that's it. This is really interesting. So this would 666 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: be the first time that even though you guys are 667 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: entitled to this congressional seed, and you have been for 668 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: two hundred years, this would be an addition of a 669 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: voting seat. At least you are entitled to it. But 670 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: it would be the first kind of addition, right, this 671 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: particular treaty, right, this delegate would be a non voting 672 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: delicate similar to how US territory delegates d see Quam exactly, 673 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico exactly. It would be non voting. I mean, 674 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: the the reason that it would be non voting is 675 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: because the treaty specifies it's it's a delegate, and as 676 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: we know, their delegates have existed in the body of 677 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: the House since the early days of the Republic. So 678 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: as as non voting members. It's kind of unfair that 679 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: you guys don't get voting membership in the on the 680 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: for the country that you've you know, lived in longer 681 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: than anyone you know, and there I think there's something 682 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: to that, But I think we should think about it 683 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: this way. This is a treaty provision that was between 684 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: two sovereign nations, and in the history of the House 685 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: of Representatives, you don't really see another sovereign nation represented 686 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: in the House, so it's it's certainly unique in that regard. 687 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: So that's one thing to think about. The other thing 688 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: is this, Yes, we would love for Kim to have 689 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: a vote on the final passage of legislation, but what's 690 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: so important in the Congress is what happens at the 691 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: committee level. What happens when legislation is introduced. The matters 692 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: who is on a key committee that is making arguments 693 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: and advocating for or against a measure, And Kim t 694 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: he of course is well suited from her background to 695 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: do all of that effectively. So for the Cherokee nation 696 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: to have a champion inside of Congress, and look, she'll 697 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: be a champion for all of Indian country. I'm talking 698 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: about all tribes in terms of our shared interest. That's 699 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: really powerful. So you know, my focus is more on 700 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: the fact that this is a unique moment in history. 701 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: It's the question whether the United States is a country 702 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: of its word. The answer has to be yes. And 703 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: when the country says yes, Kim t he will be 704 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: a really effective and powerful voice for Indian country, irrespective 705 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: of whether she has that vote on final passage. So 706 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a really positive thing. When will you 707 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: find out and what are the next steps? So we've 708 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: asked for a hearing this fall, but we want more 709 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: than a hearing. We want to vote. And the process 710 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: is that the House Rules Committee has jurisdiction over seating 711 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: the delegate, and what's necessary is for the committee to 712 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: consider a House resolution and for the House to vote 713 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: straight up and down. Seating the Cherokee Nations delegate does 714 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: not require a vote in the Senate. All that is 715 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: just a vote of the House. And the reason that 716 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: is is because, as I mentioned earlier, is that our 717 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: treaty was already ratified by the Senate and signed by 718 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: the President United States. It's already the supreme the land. 719 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: So it just requires as a straight up and down 720 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: vote in the House. If Democrats lose the House, does 721 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: that make it less likely? Well, we've waited nearly two 722 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: hundred years and we're eager to get this done this year. 723 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: And so I've built a career on working with both 724 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: sides of the aisle, and we'll cross that bridge when 725 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: we get there. The Supreme Court passed down this ruling 726 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: about criminal prosecutions on tribal lands without the consent of 727 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: of tribes. How does this affect you, guys? You know 728 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: that was such a powerful decision by the Supreme Corps. 729 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: You're referencing the mcgard decision in two thousand and twenty. 730 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: The question before the the Court was similar in a 731 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: way to the question we're presenting to the Congress, which 732 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: is whether the United States has to keep its word 733 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: uh in an Indian treaty, because that's what the McGirt 734 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: case was about, whether the reservations within the state of 735 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: Oklahoma of five tribes, including the Cherokee Nation, had been 736 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: dismantled disestablished by the Congress. The Court found that they 737 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 1: had not, and it and it just reaffirmed, in fact, 738 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 1: the first line of that case from justice course, which 739 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: was at the end of the trail of Tears was 740 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: a promise. Now that's such a powerful statement because the 741 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: Trail of Tears again was that act of injustice by 742 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: the United States, and part of that promise at the 743 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: end of the Trail of Tears was that Cherokee Nation 744 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: would have a delegate. So when you have the Supreme 745 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: Court saying a promise made is a promise kept in 746 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: an Indian treaty, which is Kim said, is the supreme 747 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: law of the land, that really bolsters I think our 748 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: argument that the right to a delegate is the supreme 749 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: law of the land. It's a promise that ought to 750 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: be kept. I think keeping this promise is absolutely inescapable 751 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: if this country is to be the kind of country 752 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: want we wanted to be. And I think all Americans 753 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: would agree with that if they explored the history that 754 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: Kim and I know so will. So let's talk about 755 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: that for a minute because one of the things that's 756 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: happened recently is that. And again, I know you guys 757 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: are not partisan, and life is hard enough, so I 758 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: don't want you to feel like I'm asking you to 759 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: be partisan. But one of the things that RHN de 760 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: Santis recently said was that it's not true that America 761 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: was built on stolen land. It seems like it is 762 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: true that America was built on stolen land. I heard 763 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: that comment and I thought it was breathtaking in its ignorance. 764 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I think that you know, as 765 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: a well known a governor as he is, I think 766 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: most of the country, on the on a bipartisan basis, 767 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: doesn't see the world that way. And that's my frame 768 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: of reference. Here in Oklahoma, where we have such a 769 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: wonderful working relationship with our delegation, where we work on 770 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: a bipartisan basis, there is still, though some level of 771 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: ignorance in this country about its history. It is true 772 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: that Cherokee Nation and of the tribes were here first. 773 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the reason that we have a relationship 774 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: with the United States. That's a sovereign to sovereign relationship. 775 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: There's a reason for that because we pre existed the 776 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: United States, and we could certainly Kim and I take 777 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: you through a long history course on the session of 778 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: Cherokee Nation land, how that land was taken, and even 779 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 1: how it was diminished after the imposition of the state 780 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma on our lands. But I think for most Americans. 781 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: What they really find compelling is that their country ought 782 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: to be a country of its word. I think most 783 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: Americans think that way, and so I'm counting on that 784 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: as the House of Representatives consider seating kim t. It's 785 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: such a powerful message and so important, and I feel 786 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: like there's been so much wrong done to our Native 787 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: people that it just seems so profoundly like the least 788 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: we could do as a country. What do our listeners 789 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: are people listening here who like, what can they do 790 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: to support this quest? Well, we've got a mobilization effort 791 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: underway for not only our citizens, but also anyone who 792 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: supports Cherokee Nations efforts to have Congress see the delegate. 793 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: They can simply go to Cherokee delegate dot com and 794 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: contact our members of Congress and tell them to see 795 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: the delegate. That's the this year. That's the that's the 796 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: I guess, biggest thing that can occur that would be 797 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: helpful to us. I also want to mention too, that 798 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: you know, we're not alone in this effort. We've got 799 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: broad support all of thrall all throughout the United States, 800 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: from Indian tribes and travel organizations, and so we we 801 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: are actively trying to get the delegate seated this year, 802 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: and that mobilization effort and that website that I just 803 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: mentioned is something something that everyone can do. Yeah, okay, well, 804 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Good luck, very important, and 805 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: I look forward to having you back as a congresswoman. 806 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you. Rick Wilson. Yes, and 807 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: so we are going to do a moment of fuckery 808 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: t M. And my moment of fuckery is when Laura 809 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: Ingram said that the attack on Paul Pelosi was really, 810 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: really bad and it was going to cause the left 811 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: to try and come for not the Second Amendment, but 812 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: the first You know, Proud Ingraham is a woman of 813 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: tremendous anger. I could speculate on the origins of that anger, 814 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: from whatever source of deprivation and pain she speaks from, 815 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,720 Speaker 1: but I try to not imagine her in any circumstances. 816 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: But the idea that the left is going to turn 817 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: this around and like have revengeous attacks on maga's is insanity. 818 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: And the fact is, let's not forget something. People. A 819 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: year and a half ago, the vast majority of republic 820 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: sat and watched Trump's hoarde attack the US capital seek 821 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: out to kill and and and kidnap Democratic members of 822 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: Congress and the Senate, beat cops with flagpoles, and throw 823 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: this country into absolute chaos. So the idea that the 824 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: left is somehow the font of violence right now is laughable. 825 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: And the idea that you know, you spent years with 826 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump up at every damn rally saying like, not 827 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: the hell out of that guy, I'll pay for your 828 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: legal bills, um, didn't seep into their heads. And look 829 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 1: it's in a more serious note. It's also, of course, 830 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: I don't think Donald Trump has paid for anything in 831 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,959 Speaker 1: the last fifty years. Well maybe on a more serious note, 832 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: this is a culture of political violence. It is a 833 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: common aspect of authoritarian regimes and movements. As they become empowered, 834 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: it will not stop, it will escalate. They will excuse it, 835 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,399 Speaker 1: They will have to try to have deniability until they 836 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: don't need deniability. They will they will they will pretend 837 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: it's it's not about them until it's absolutely really about them, 838 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: because it's really about them. I think it's gonna be 839 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: a tremendously challenging period of time between election day this year, 840 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: which is going to be chaotic, and you know, Republicans 841 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: are going to lose elections, and they're going to go 842 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: into the streets and be crazy, and they're gonna win elections, 843 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: and you know, declare that they are now the logical 844 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: choice in America must about their needs and desires. So 845 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: I think that is a superb moment of factory, my 846 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: moment of fuckory. I don't want if I'm not I'm 847 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: not trying to hate on Elon every single day this week. 848 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: But the idea that absolute free speech on a private 849 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: platform it's a constitutionally protected right, is as ludicrous as 850 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: one can imagine. They don't want to be treated like 851 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: a publisher under Section to thirty, but they want to 852 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 1: pretend that they get the benefits of protecting the most 853 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: heinous and egregious kind of speech. And I really think 854 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: he is He did this as a prank and as 855 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: a troll. I think he's part of that tech bro 856 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: libertarian weird culture in the valley, and they really think 857 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: that they are much smarter than the rest of America. Listen, 858 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: I know what rockets are, and I'm actually know some 859 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: things about them. I don't build rockets. Elan built pretty 860 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: good rockets. But the idea that he understands American society 861 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: at a granular level and and thinks that there's going 862 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: to be a public good that emerges from mainlining and 863 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: mainstreaming overt racism and anti semitism and violence. Really blows 864 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: me away, And I think it is. I think it 865 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: is a political, a moral, and a business blind spot 866 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 1: that will probably cost him status and money as as 867 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: we go forward. I have to say, what I think 868 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: is so amazing about this whole thing is like, he 869 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,879 Speaker 1: is quite rich, but he's still he's not so rich 870 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 1: that he can afford to lose twenty billion dollars by 871 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,800 Speaker 1: making Twitter into four Jaan. Well, you know, we're gonna 872 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: see what what his business risk tolerances for this, and 873 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: we're going to see if it's a great idea to 874 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: essentially take that billion dollar pile of money and set 875 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: it on fire because some tech pros think that that 876 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: anti semitism online isn't a problem and that you don't 877 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: really need to moderate any kind of content on a 878 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: on a publicly facing platform. That's it for this episode 879 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday 880 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: to your the best minds and politics makes sense of 881 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard, please 882 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 883 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: And again thanks for listening.