Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here with.
Speaker 1: Not only than the Bachelor himself, Joey. Welcome to Happy Hour.
Speaker 3: Glad to be here. How do you guys doing?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good, busy in New York right now, got a
Speaker 3: lot of press going on, but oh are good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I definitely read.
Speaker 3: The same spot why aren't we together?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say we should have come to person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been fun.
Speaker 2: I know next time. I feel like we'll see you
Speaker 2: again on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there's a good chance of it.
Speaker 2: We were saying last time we had you on feels
Speaker 2: like forever ago now, because it was like before you
Speaker 2: even started filming, right after you got announced at Charity's AFR.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was actually a really long time ago. There's
Speaker 4: been a lot that's happened since then.
Speaker 1: Obviously you feel like as a person you're a little different.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think anyone changes and grows a little bit
Speaker 4: through this. I don't think I'm like a bad different.
Speaker 4: I think I've I've learned a lot and have had
Speaker 4: obviously a lot of experiences since then.
Speaker 3: But hopefully all good things.
Speaker 1: You're a though, hear you?
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was in it, just like are you traumatized?
Speaker 4: Just saying traumatize isn't the word, but I had an experience,
Speaker 4: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Is it what you imagined?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that a lot of it was what I imagined,
Speaker 4: But I'll be the first to admit that you honestly
Speaker 4: can't imagine it.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of this is something that.
Speaker 4: Until you're in it, you don't know exactly what it's
Speaker 4: going to be like not only how you're gonna react,
Speaker 4: but how the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Is gonna play out.
Speaker 4: And uh, some things were surprised, some things were different
Speaker 4: than I could have imagined, but for overall, it was
Speaker 4: what I thought it could and was going on.
Speaker 2: I feel like the leads in with like a pretty
Speaker 2: similar mindset of like I'm aware of the unknown, and
Speaker 2: they're usually pretty like bang on with that. But I
Speaker 2: feel like with the contestants, you see a lot of
Speaker 2: people come off and be like, I really thought I
Speaker 2: knew what I was getting myself into, because it's just
Speaker 2: that like ignorance is bliss kind of situation, like, and
Speaker 2: they like have an idea of what they're getting cells
Speaker 2: into and then they come out and they're like, I
Speaker 2: had no idea what I was getting myself into. That
Speaker 2: was like completely different than what I could have expected.
Speaker 3: For sure. I think it's definitely different for the contest
Speaker 3: in side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are getting You're getting a lot of love,
Speaker 1: which well deserved. Did you talk to any of the
Speaker 1: prior bachelors prior to coming on the show?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had. I had a few people reach out
Speaker 4: and just kind of send me a message on Instagram
Speaker 4: when it was first coming out, and I've said it before.
Speaker 4: I think at other times like I was pretty on
Speaker 4: my own path of like, you know, I'm gonna try
Speaker 4: to do it my way and not really try to
Speaker 4: hear how other people.
Speaker 3: Have done it. I learned very quickly that was a
Speaker 3: bad idea.
Speaker 4: I could talk to someone almost immediately and it would
Speaker 4: have helped because they they understand it.
Speaker 3: There's only the people that have been through this get
Speaker 3: what it's like.
Speaker 4: And I've been able to since then talked to Ben
Speaker 4: Higgins a lot. He's someone that I just have I've
Speaker 4: kind of bounced a lot of things off of I'm
Speaker 4: close with Jason Target too, so he's been there to
Speaker 4: kind of give me some more advice on things just
Speaker 4: in the world in general, and no means thinking that
Speaker 4: I can figure this out in my own now it's
Speaker 4: just a different thing.
Speaker 3: But Ben's been a really big part of it for me.
Speaker 3: He's been great.
Speaker 1: Was there anything in particular you were like conscious of
Speaker 1: not doing.
Speaker 2: Like a like a rule you set for yourself, like.
Speaker 1: Zach accept the no sexule, which I am backfired immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that.
Speaker 4: I don't I didn't talk anything about the sexual I
Speaker 4: stayed away from that as much as possible. I think
Speaker 4: what my overall general thing I tried to do was
Speaker 4: make sure my words had meaning. I didn't try to
Speaker 4: have something just come out out of nowhere, like you
Speaker 4: feel something you just say it, Like I really try
Speaker 4: to think through everything I was saying.
Speaker 3: And obviously that comes into play with the.
Speaker 4: Whole love conversation, and you know, understanding the difference of
Speaker 4: falling and the difference of falling in love and the
Speaker 4: difference of saying you're in love, like that's this is
Speaker 4: the first time in life I realized there's steps to that,
Speaker 4: and it makes sense when you go through it.
Speaker 3: But initially you're like isn't it the same thing? But
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 4: And being aware of how you say and what you say,
Speaker 4: I think is really important and you'll see. I try
Speaker 4: to do the best I could to make sure that
Speaker 4: I did it correctly and just trusted what I felt.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't have like a this is the
Speaker 4: rule that I need to follow. I just again, I
Speaker 4: want my words to have a lot of meating behind them.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it got harder as you went
Speaker 2: on or easier as you went on to kind of
Speaker 2: like conjure emotions, because I feel like, on one hand,
Speaker 2: like in the beginning, I feel like I would be
Speaker 2: like very filtered almost and very conscious, and then as
Speaker 2: you get more comfortable with people and the feelings start
Speaker 2: to develop, it and be like, yeah, I'll just say
Speaker 2: whatever I'm thinking. Or do you think like as you
Speaker 2: got down to the line, it was like I have
Speaker 2: to be even more intentional with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's both right.
Speaker 4: Because you get more comfortable, the feelings come out more naturally.
Speaker 4: You sink into it almost, and that's that's great, like
Speaker 4: that it makes it easier to express, but you know
Speaker 4: how real the feelings are too, So I was very
Speaker 4: aware of making sure that I was never leading someone
Speaker 4: on or sharing too much, or again giving something that
Speaker 4: seemed like it was making.
Speaker 3: Promises that you can't make during this.
Speaker 4: So it was easier to be emotional and tell your
Speaker 4: true feelings, but I was definitely being aware of what
Speaker 4: I was saying because you just have to. You never
Speaker 4: want to give these women false hope. I think that's
Speaker 4: the hardest thing in this position. Is it's natural too,
Speaker 4: because there are real feelings, but you have to remember
Speaker 4: that you can only choose one at the end if
Speaker 4: everything works out, and if you give false hope, you're
Speaker 4: just you're gonna be hurting.
Speaker 3: Yourself later on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, What does it feel like having that responsibility of
Speaker 2: like having to care for so many people's hearts and
Speaker 2: emotions throughout all of this, Like you got.
Speaker 3: A lot of weight on your back. It's a lot.
Speaker 3: I think that I didn't.
Speaker 4: That was the part that I've tried to explain to
Speaker 4: that The emotional side of it was probably the thing
Speaker 4: I didn't expect. I thought it'd be weird with like
Speaker 4: the physical cheating in your head where you're kissing multiple
Speaker 4: people even though it's all understood. But the emotional part
Speaker 4: was the hardest thing to be having these really in depth,
Speaker 4: deep conversations, sharing parts of your life, opening up who
Speaker 4: you are as a person with multiple people. That's what
Speaker 4: felt most like cheating to me or in any way,
Speaker 4: and I know it wasn't because we all agree on it,
Speaker 4: but that mindset is what carries the weight because it's
Speaker 4: a lot for all of them to be opening up
Speaker 4: for me to there's weight to it.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt there's weight to it.
Speaker 1: Was there anything while you were on Charity Season as
Speaker 1: a contestant that you didn't quite understand, like her reasoning
Speaker 1: behind doing whatever it may have been, that you now
Speaker 1: kind of as the lead, are like, Okay, this this
Speaker 1: makes sense or maybe this is why you know she
Speaker 1: was a certain way.
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is not trying to understand
Speaker 4: why they have a connection.
Speaker 3: And that's I know broad.
Speaker 4: Because I don't want to give individual people, but you
Speaker 4: always have that point where you're a contestant, like how
Speaker 4: the heck do they like them? Or how is that
Speaker 4: growing into something? And you just don't see a lot
Speaker 4: that people are different when they interact with you. They're
Speaker 4: different in different settings. You just you can't understand why
Speaker 4: there's a connection, and it's not your place to even
Speaker 4: understand why there's a connection.
Speaker 3: You should be focusing on your own.
Speaker 4: But I will be the first to admit when you're
Speaker 4: a contestant, you look at stuff and you're like, I
Speaker 4: just don't see how they're with that person or they
Speaker 4: see something, And from being on the lead side, you
Speaker 4: can see how different it is, and it's really something
Speaker 4: that you should just be focusing on what you're doing.
Speaker 3: At the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like that's so true, Like every contestant
Speaker 2: that's been on the show can relate to that, like
Speaker 2: I just don't understand like how those two are compatible,
Speaker 2: like how he's compatible with her, and vice versa. But
Speaker 2: I think that's also the beauty in watching it back
Speaker 2: and being able to be like, oh, I see it now.
Speaker 2: Is that also though interesting for you to watch back
Speaker 2: and then see those people that you had all these
Speaker 2: rhematic relationships with in the group setting in the house
Speaker 2: and kind of compare that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw the Canadian come out there when he said.
Speaker 3: How it's totally say I love it, I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the other part is like I didn't see
Speaker 4: any of the interviews that the women were having.
Speaker 3: I didn't see the full dynamics.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 3: This is new for me too, and as we know,
Speaker 3: you only.
Speaker 4: Get a glimmer of all of it, You only get
Speaker 4: just little peace, So I know I'm never going to
Speaker 4: see the full extent of it. But yeah, it's always
Speaker 4: weird to watch out and realize, oh wait, that was
Speaker 4: bigger than I thought it was, or this actually wasn't
Speaker 4: that big of a deal. You can kind of see
Speaker 4: what the girls hold on to more and what they're
Speaker 4: kind of conversating about, and what's going.
Speaker 3: From week to week.
Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, I was hoping
Speaker 4: that we didn't talk about a lot of the stuff
Speaker 4: going on the house. We just focused on our own connection.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's things you don't see that you do
Speaker 4: see now, And it's always interesting to watch back.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite like one on one date
Speaker 1: as far as like the experience.
Speaker 3: Jasper is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Jasper like both dates in Jasper, just because that place
Speaker 4: is gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Those dates were so cool. We had a very.
Speaker 4: Fun cultural date with like checking out the town with
Speaker 4: me and Kelsey A and then the horseback ride that
Speaker 4: was my first time on a horse with Daisy, So
Speaker 4: I think that that week as a whole, as much
Speaker 4: as I loved the Spain dates as well.
Speaker 3: I think those all four of those dates. The Rhonda
Speaker 3: date was.
Speaker 4: Special, the Flamenco date was really cool, and also the
Speaker 4: two Jasper dates, just because I think it was more
Speaker 4: the setting and the women I was with too, But
Speaker 4: it just was something about those dates just flowed and
Speaker 4: I have nothing but great experiences on all four of those.
Speaker 1: The bar date with.
Speaker 2: Joe, we just did a recap of this episode, the
Speaker 2: Jazzer episode, the one that just aired.
Speaker 1: Well, it's bullshit. You guys just right had a bar
Speaker 1: hanging out.
Speaker 2: I felt like we were very envious of this date
Speaker 2: because we're like, this is like our typical Saturday, Like,
Speaker 2: how did they allow this? They're just playing pool at
Speaker 2: a bar.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I can't even tell you how great that day felt,
Speaker 4: because it was like, Wow, we're just doing normal things,
Speaker 4: like that was actually what you would do in Jasper
Speaker 4: because it's a small town.
Speaker 3: You can't do anything else.
Speaker 4: You'd go to the local bar, a local pub, grab
Speaker 4: a beer, and go playpool. And like it was amazing
Speaker 4: that that date was so fluid and natural to what
Speaker 4: it would feel like, and yeah, sometimes we do all
Speaker 4: these big and extravagant things.
Speaker 3: That date was so natural and it just it felt right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all. It was a bit chill estate
Speaker 2: of the season, just because I feel like even when
Speaker 2: you're in Spain or you're still in this like different country.
Speaker 2: I mean you're in Canada, but like it's not that different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt a little bit like we're getting back
Speaker 4: to the normal sea of it all. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: we had some beautiful spots, but Jasper was I mean,
Speaker 4: that place is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: We also don't you don't.
Speaker 4: See it because I don't think we ever got a
Speaker 4: chance to capture it on camera.
Speaker 3: But we got to see the northern lights when we
Speaker 3: were there too.
Speaker 2: No way, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I've never seen something like that before. And we were
Speaker 4: just like one night when we were finishing up, we
Speaker 4: look up and.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, the sky's dancing. That's pretty cool, like crazy.
Speaker 2: That's unreal. That is so cool. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: you could see them from there.
Speaker 4: If I'm being honest, I apparently it's not a normal
Speaker 4: thing like they have it sometimes up when you get
Speaker 4: that high up in Alberta.
Speaker 3: But they just that was the best one they said
Speaker 3: they've had in years too.
Speaker 2: Wow, you guys got very lucky.
Speaker 1: As a lead or just as yourself. What is more difficult?
Speaker 1: There's the situation of her basically opening up in you
Speaker 1: saying like I'm going to send you home it's just
Speaker 1: not you, you know, or lexis situation where it's like
Speaker 1: she sends herself home because you guys really aren't on
Speaker 1: the same timeline after the show, but like it's hard
Speaker 1: for you to to even be able to say you
Speaker 1: could get there because you just don't know. There's so
Speaker 1: many women left. So what is more difficult?
Speaker 2: WHOA That's a very specific question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good one too. I think the biggest
Speaker 4: thing for me is that this is just a personal
Speaker 4: right as me as a person, I struggle so much
Speaker 4: more with hurting someone and like giving a sense of rejection.
Speaker 4: So if it's a personal answer to me, I could
Speaker 4: understand where Alexi was coming from. I could understand why
Speaker 4: that was the thing, and I think we had a
Speaker 4: very grown up conversation about it, and there was mutual
Speaker 4: respect that as much as it hurt and it didn't
Speaker 4: feel like the right time for that to end. You
Speaker 4: can leave that and feel good about it. But with
Speaker 4: you know, sending someone home and knowing that they still
Speaker 4: want something to be there even though you can't quite
Speaker 4: see it, you feel that emotion more. And yeah, just
Speaker 4: with how I am, I feel for them, and I
Speaker 4: feel for the whole situation in general, because it's not.
Speaker 3: That they do anything wrong.
Speaker 4: It's just about me being honest, and it's the most
Speaker 4: honest thing I can do is send them home in
Speaker 4: that case.
Speaker 3: But it's hard. That never will feel good and that
Speaker 3: will probably hold on me the most throughout the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I feel like I don't know why we've
Speaker 2: talked a lot of it this on the podcast, but
Speaker 2: like the and I know I already kind of asked
Speaker 2: you this, but just like the responsibility of having to
Speaker 2: take on so many of these women's stories and the emotions,
Speaker 2: I feel like is a whole other level to being
Speaker 2: the lead that you guys just don't get enough credit for.
Speaker 2: Was there a breakup or like a rose ceremony that
Speaker 2: up until this point stood out as like one of
Speaker 2: the harder ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, hands down, Jasper, just because those
Speaker 4: those six women, I mean, it was great to know
Speaker 4: that when we got to that point that each of
Speaker 4: them had a one on one, right, so we've all
Speaker 4: had the ability to make real connections. It didn't feel
Speaker 4: like we didn't have enough time. It's just at that
Speaker 4: point making decisions off of what you think is the
Speaker 4: strongest connection.
Speaker 3: It's not if you have a connection, it's which one's
Speaker 3: the strongest.
Speaker 4: So that one was the toughest just because yeah, no
Speaker 4: one did anything wrong. You didn't, You couldn't use time
Speaker 4: as an excuse. Just kind of came to the point
Speaker 4: where you have to make tough decisions. And at this
Speaker 4: point that's hands down been the hardest Rose ceremony and
Speaker 4: decisions that I've.
Speaker 3: Had to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine only gets harder every time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's the next one will be harder, and
Speaker 4: so the next, and so all the way to the end.
Speaker 4: It doesn't get any easier. And you find that out
Speaker 4: also very quickly. You're like, wow, Okay, they weren't lying.
Speaker 4: This isn't gonna get any easier each week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna do one more like compare do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on a roll, the Joe. These will definitely these
Speaker 1: will flop at some point. Okay, when you were Joey
Speaker 1: on Charity season, and I'm assuming there were guys in
Speaker 1: the house that may not were like just on the show, right,
Speaker 1: they don't they don't really have a connection with Charity.
Speaker 1: They're just kind of like they're doing the show but
Speaker 1: are just like there because like, dude, there has to
Speaker 1: be thirty of us, right as a lead. Do you
Speaker 1: sense that from any of the women, like, I don't
Speaker 1: really like yeah, like they're just kind of like there,
Speaker 1: They're not even like there's no real feelings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's tough, right, because I think a lot
Speaker 4: of times with them just being there, that also comes
Speaker 4: with circumstances and you being able to have any I
Speaker 4: do feel lucky with this season in general. There was
Speaker 4: so many amazing women that when you start to have
Speaker 4: those conversations and you start to open up, you do
Speaker 4: make a connection.
Speaker 3: You do feel like they're not just there. But I'm
Speaker 3: sure some of.
Speaker 4: The women will admit that they felt that way through
Speaker 4: this process because we just didn't have the ability to
Speaker 4: have more time to get to that. So you can
Speaker 4: kind of feel when there's someone that maybe isn't going
Speaker 4: out of their way to make the connection go any further.
Speaker 4: But I would say this season it did feel like
Speaker 4: there was a lot of women that were invested that
Speaker 4: we're interested in making a connection. We just might not
Speaker 4: have had enough time to do it. But I know
Speaker 4: what you're talking about. Being on the contestant side, you
Speaker 4: can feel it a lot more when you're around them
Speaker 4: when I was in the setting of seeing them. You know,
Speaker 4: you're on dates, especially in a group date, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of different dynamics going on.
Speaker 3: That I try to pay attention to as much as
Speaker 3: I could, but it is hard.
Speaker 4: It is hard to catch all those cues that you
Speaker 4: can catch when you're a contestant.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a little bit about the drama
Speaker 2: in the house this season. I know you're going to
Speaker 2: get way more to it during the tell all, but
Speaker 2: just watching it back kind of what was that experience
Speaker 2: like for you?
Speaker 3: It was tough. I'll be the first tamut.
Speaker 4: It was tough because you know, you don't see everything,
Speaker 4: and uh, you don't want to be quick to judge
Speaker 4: in any way.
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's hard to see that there was
Speaker 3: this much of a like an issue.
Speaker 4: I guess you could call it or just these these
Speaker 4: girls that are kind of not getting along with one another.
Speaker 4: I think I think you saw it when I was
Speaker 4: in the two of them with Maria. I said, I'm
Speaker 4: not expecting you all to get along. I just want
Speaker 4: to create an environment that we can do what's most important,
Speaker 4: which is getting to know each other and not having that.
Speaker 1: I just said that, by the way, because that's just
Speaker 1: like so such like a true statement, like yeah, like
Speaker 1: not everyone's going to get along, like fucking deal with it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's so tough because I get it because
Speaker 4: I've been on that side, and I know how when
Speaker 4: you have all these things you're thinking about through this,
Speaker 4: like it's so natural let things get in the way
Speaker 4: and to think about why is this going this way
Speaker 4: and that way? But you have to go back to
Speaker 4: what's most important, which is you're trying to show who
Speaker 4: you are as a person, and you're trying to get
Speaker 4: to know me as a person. And if you can't
Speaker 4: be in an environment for that to feel natural, there's
Speaker 4: always going to be what could have been. And I
Speaker 4: don't feel that way. I felt like I did the
Speaker 4: best I could to get to know everyone that's there.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure some of the women might still feel
Speaker 4: that way because you let it get in the way
Speaker 4: of what could have been for them to be able
Speaker 4: to show me more of who they are.
Speaker 3: And that's the most difficult part to.
Speaker 4: Watch back with this trauma, is just how I could
Speaker 4: tell that it definitely got to the women and why
Speaker 4: wouldn't it be. It's a tough environment to be in,
Speaker 4: but I just it's tough to see that it built
Speaker 4: to the point that it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like I agree with Joe, like
Speaker 2: you're comming about it was perfect because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like two women not liking each other
Speaker 2: is not a problem. The problem comes into play when
Speaker 2: it's affecting your relationships with them, and then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well now we got to do something about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm the type of person that, like
Speaker 4: I do believe if I'm supposed to find out, I
Speaker 4: will find out and it will happen. But I get
Speaker 4: why people want to bring up stuff, especially if it's
Speaker 4: something that's affecting you. And I will always say I
Speaker 4: think everyone should be leading with kindness through this because
Speaker 4: no one will understand what it's like to be through it.
Speaker 3: No one will see the whole story.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's fair to be crucial or any
Speaker 4: type of, you know, rude to any of these women
Speaker 4: because it's so tough. But the hardest part is to
Speaker 4: see that you can tell it definitely gotten the way
Speaker 4: of me being able to at least get to know.
Speaker 3: Some of these women better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We saw Zach on his season say like, don't
Speaker 2: don't bring the drama in the house to me, Like
Speaker 2: I remember one one was like, stuff's going on? Do
Speaker 2: you want to know? When he was like I don't
Speaker 2: want to know. Well, I am going to tell you actually,
Speaker 2: But did you at any point.
Speaker 1: I feel like if I was the lead, i'd lie
Speaker 1: to take bring it. I want the entertainments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're a whole other situation. But did you
Speaker 2: like go into it like obviously, I'm sure you had
Speaker 2: an idea there might be some drama. Did you go
Speaker 2: into it with any like this is how I want
Speaker 2: to handle it, or this is how I handle drama
Speaker 2: and like my everyday life if it arises, and this
Speaker 2: is kind of how having to do it on the
Speaker 2: show or where you like, I'm just going to see
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a mix of both. I
Speaker 3: definitely in life in general.
Speaker 4: You can see when I was on Charity season two,
Speaker 4: like I run the other way.
Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 4: I would try as much as possible to not have
Speaker 4: it be a part of this, but you know it's
Speaker 4: going to come, and it's more about I never wanted
Speaker 4: to feel like the women couldn't bring something to me,
Speaker 4: or that I don't care about their opinion or feelings
Speaker 4: on something. But also I didn't want it to be
Speaker 4: something if I didn't think it was fully necessary. So
Speaker 4: you can probably even see throughout when this was happening,
Speaker 4: I'm not going on a goose chase and asking like
Speaker 4: all these different women, like what's going on, what's happening
Speaker 4: here and there? Like unless someone brought aughtit to me,
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to talk about it. But if they did,
Speaker 4: that's valid for them having their own emotions and their feelings,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to feel like I'm just going
Speaker 4: to dismiss them. But yeah, I was definitely not looking
Speaker 4: to talk about it.
Speaker 2: If I could, you're in searching for it, No, it.
Speaker 4: Would never I think that drama's natural in life. But
Speaker 4: the more you can rise above and ignore it.
Speaker 3: You tend to be a happier individual.
Speaker 1: Let's cut to this week's episode. At the at the
Speaker 1: brow ceremony, we see you canceled the cocktail party.
Speaker 3: Why so?
Speaker 4: The cocktail party canceling was mainly because the group day
Speaker 4: after party we had very long conversations.
Speaker 3: I felt really good.
Speaker 4: I know you can't see it all, but I felt
Speaker 4: really good where I was at, and I thought I
Speaker 4: had a good idea. The only conversation I didn't feel
Speaker 4: like I fully had closure on was Maria's conversation because
Speaker 4: it did get derailed from what I thought it was
Speaker 4: going to be. So it's kind of hard to be like,
Speaker 4: I want to have a cocktail party for everyone, even
Speaker 4: though you want that more time when I felt like
Speaker 4: I pretty much knew what I thought I needed to do,
Speaker 4: but I needed to talk through something with Maria to
Speaker 4: make sure I understood where she was at. So it's
Speaker 4: it's it's definitely a difficult situation, but I don't want
Speaker 4: to have those conversations and again possibly give someone false hope.
Speaker 4: If I felt like from that last group date party
Speaker 4: we had, we had enough of the conversation that I
Speaker 4: thought I had an idea of.
Speaker 3: What was coming next. But it was tough.
Speaker 4: I wish I could have maybe talked to everyone, but
Speaker 4: it just kind of wasn't in the cards for how
Speaker 4: that night ended.
Speaker 1: Up exactly what I thought exactly.
Speaker 2: If Maria had given you a different answer, did you
Speaker 2: have like a Plan B in mind of what you
Speaker 2: might have done?
Speaker 4: That's a tough one because I would never want any
Speaker 4: of the women to feel like a.
Speaker 3: Plan be either.
Speaker 2: No, totally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me was I
Speaker 4: was pretty sure I knew where she was at, but
Speaker 4: I needed to hear it, and if she said something differently,
Speaker 4: for all I know, I might have been, like, you
Speaker 4: know what doctail parties back on.
Speaker 3: I had no.
Speaker 4: Idea what I was going to do because I had
Speaker 4: I had a good feeling that I knew where Maria
Speaker 4: was at. I think she'll admit sometimes too that she
Speaker 4: she struggles at explaining things when there's heightened emotions, and
Speaker 4: that was what happened at the end of our conversation
Speaker 4: we had during.
Speaker 3: The the date party.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't really have a Plan B yet
Speaker 4: because I thought I kind of knew what was going.
Speaker 3: To happen in that conversation makes sense.
Speaker 1: So now you're about to go into hometown, when you're
Speaker 1: about to meet their parents, are you nervous or are
Speaker 1: you kind of like I'm the bachelor? Like what I think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I ever walk into the house and say
Speaker 4: I'm the batch or like you just did Joe kick me.
Speaker 3: Off, that's terrible. Other than that, No, I was nervous.
Speaker 4: I think that I always you know, I think that
Speaker 4: a family's blessing is such a big deal. It's a
Speaker 4: weird type of blessing to ask because I always kept
Speaker 4: saying through it like I don't I can't promise anything.
Speaker 4: I'm in a rare position where I can't tell you
Speaker 4: what's going on. Fully, I can't promise anything, but I'm
Speaker 4: going to sit here in front of you and tell
Speaker 4: you why I think your daughter's special and why I
Speaker 4: think there's a chance this could work out at the end.
Speaker 3: I just want to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 4: So that was my mindset going into every single conversation.
Speaker 4: Don't try to act like you haven't figured out. Don't
Speaker 4: try to be the person to prove to them that
Speaker 4: you're the person for their daughter. Just show who you
Speaker 4: are as a person to understand that's a very rare situation,
Speaker 4: and all masking is for understanding and maybe a little
Speaker 4: bit of respect at the end of the day. But
Speaker 4: that's earned, and I walked into every house wanting to
Speaker 4: earn that, not expecting it in any way.
Speaker 2: What's like the scariest thing going into hometowns for you, Like,
Speaker 2: what is the worst case scenario that's playing in your head.
Speaker 4: I think anyone that's been to that point can understand
Speaker 4: how good things are going for a lot of the relationships.
Speaker 4: At that point, you might be hitting the best point possible,
Speaker 4: like you're seeing something grow, You're seeing something get to
Speaker 4: the point like, wow, this might actually work. I was
Speaker 4: so definitely afraid for hometowns being steps back. So I
Speaker 4: won't talk about the specific relationships of why that would
Speaker 4: be the case, but there were definitely moments going in
Speaker 4: where I was like, this is going so well. I'm
Speaker 4: definitely afraid of something going wrong in us not moving
Speaker 4: at the same trajectory that we were. And I think
Speaker 4: anyone would feel that because you understand how important it
Speaker 4: is with family for yourself, for them especially, it's it
Speaker 4: could be a deal breaker. And yeah, I just didn't
Speaker 4: want to take steps backward in the relationships. I could
Speaker 4: see we're really starting to progress.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good answer. I was just gonna say, like,
Speaker 2: if apparently yelled at me or something like that would be.
Speaker 1: My worst case.
Speaker 2: Of course, I wanted to take it back for a second,
Speaker 2: if you don't mind to Montreal. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: the most emotional we've seen you this season on your
Speaker 2: own like versus like within the context of a relationship.
Speaker 2: What was going through your mind during that point and
Speaker 2: what kind of got you to that place of a feeling.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a lot of things. I
Speaker 4: think obviously the first step of it was I was tired.
Speaker 4: It was getting to that point where things were kind
Speaker 4: of piling on top of each other and you feel
Speaker 4: drinked emotionally, physically, all of that. And I didn't want
Speaker 4: to hide that because again, I'm not going to try
Speaker 4: to be that guy that walks in being like I'm good,
Speaker 4: it's fine, because I think it's more important to be
Speaker 4: honest on where.
Speaker 3: You're having difficulties.
Speaker 4: But I think the most important reason why I was
Speaker 4: emotional and vulnerable was because, as anyone knows from the
Speaker 4: contestant side, just like a lead. Your insecurity started to
Speaker 4: come out when things started to get serious. And that
Speaker 4: was the week as you could tell that a lot
Speaker 4: of the women were starting to feel things on their own.
Speaker 4: Conversations were coming. I could feel they were coming, even
Speaker 4: though they didn't start yet that week because it was
Speaker 4: the beginning of the week. You could just feel that
Speaker 4: the next step of where the next conversation was going
Speaker 4: to be was going to be deep and emotional and
Speaker 4: personal and why they have feelings if they have feelings.
Speaker 4: So I think I just felt the pressure and the
Speaker 4: weight of that week, and when I started off, I
Speaker 4: didn't know if I could handle that pressure in that
Speaker 4: weight because I was trying to get back to feeling
Speaker 4: good myself for that moment. But for lack of a
Speaker 4: better explanation, I was having an off day and I
Speaker 4: got caught on camera with it. So that's really what
Speaker 4: it was, and I tried not to idle it and
Speaker 4: like shy away from sharing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sistant didn't travel like the jet lag would
Speaker 2: kill me.
Speaker 3: That was a long trip.
Speaker 4: That was because we just did obviously two stints in
Speaker 4: a row in uh in Europe, and then we had
Speaker 4: that long trip back to Montreal and we had we
Speaker 4: had a little bit of a break. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: think all the women will admit too that that was
Speaker 4: one of the toughest weeks because it was a big
Speaker 4: travel after just spending time in Europe too. Uh So
Speaker 4: you can always use that as an example. I think
Speaker 4: it triggers something when you get a little more tired.
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, that was that was a tough week.
Speaker 4: That was maybe one of the most emotional you'll see
Speaker 4: me through this whole process, was that we speak and
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I kind of expected it and I lived it.
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last question, we don't know if this whole thing
Speaker 1: works out for you, right, but as as the lead
Speaker 1: going through this, like you can't be one hundred percent
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, but like what percentage wise
Speaker 1: do you feel like it's going to work out to
Speaker 1: it not working.
Speaker 2: Out, Like seventy percent workout, thirty percent not going to
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at this stage right now, I think I was more.
Speaker 4: I think you're right on the point. I think it
Speaker 4: was more like at this point going to the hometowns,
Speaker 4: I was probably seventy thirty eighty twenty because I could
Speaker 4: see the relationships. We're getting there, but we haven't got
Speaker 4: to the point of anyone expressing that they're actually in
Speaker 4: love with me, if there's if there's real feelings that
Speaker 4: they could see a future, because those those conversations come
Speaker 4: later on and during it. I think that what you're
Speaker 4: feeling is is it going to keep progressing?
Speaker 3: Because it is right now, but is it going to
Speaker 3: get there?
Speaker 4: So there's always going to be that twenty to thirty
Speaker 4: percent of doubt until you know someone feels the same
Speaker 4: way that you might feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got it going into hometown. We know that your
Speaker 2: hometown date wasn't necessarily the smoothest hometown date of the season.
Speaker 3: Joe shout out, Uncle Joe.
Speaker 2: Shout out, Uncle Joe. How did you feel like going
Speaker 2: into these hometowns and what did you kind of learn
Speaker 2: from your experience as a contestant with someone that, yeah,
Speaker 2: had a little bit of conflict at their hometown.
Speaker 4: I think I learned not to judge completely off of
Speaker 4: the hometown because there's so many dynamics and things that
Speaker 4: might affect if.
Speaker 3: It goes well or not.
Speaker 4: And definitely to be willing to ask questions if I
Speaker 4: felt any any kind of pushback from a family member,
Speaker 4: I would I would want to learn and ask more
Speaker 4: about why, because I think that it's important to understand
Speaker 4: it and not just go with how they're feeling. Because
Speaker 4: I can speak from experience, the reason why my uncle
Speaker 4: was pushing so much or while he was unsure is
Speaker 4: because he was protecting me and making sure I felt
Speaker 4: that way and wanted to, you know, to really feel
Speaker 4: out the person that I could possibly end with, because
Speaker 4: that was the last time he was going to see
Speaker 4: her if that was the case, So, uh, intentions were there.
Speaker 3: He just was a little rough around the edges of
Speaker 3: how he did it.
Speaker 4: And I know other family members could be that way too,
Speaker 4: So I guess what I took in was just to
Speaker 4: make sure I asked a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: It wasn't quick to judge if I felt something a
Speaker 3: little off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like with context, it does make
Speaker 2: so much sense about like that dynamic with your uncle
Speaker 2: and why he was like, look, I'm not like I'm
Speaker 2: not here to put like my best foot forward, Like
Speaker 2: I'm here to get some answers, and like if that
Speaker 2: means I've got to be like really direct and maybe
Speaker 2: not come across as like smooth or warm like that's
Speaker 2: not my problem, which like I kind of like respect
Speaker 2: that approach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always gotta be one family. There's gotta be
Speaker 4: one family, which is a little harder. There's got to
Speaker 4: be something. It's like, I'm gonna check this person a
Speaker 4: little bit and like I you'll see that through this
Speaker 4: there always is someone that does that, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's part of it.
Speaker 1: What are you most looking forward to with the tell all?
Speaker 4: You know what, I don't know if I really thought
Speaker 4: through what I'm looking forward to most. I think one
Speaker 4: of the biggest things that I will look forward to
Speaker 4: is honestly seeing the women to get and in actually
Speaker 4: knowing how they're feeling. You're in a rare spot as
Speaker 4: a lead that as much as you are doing your best,
Speaker 4: you have a very big influence on how someone's experience is.
Speaker 4: So I'm interested to hear about how these these women
Speaker 4: look back on it. I know they have their own
Speaker 4: things that they're gonna want to talk through on their own,
Speaker 4: but I think I am looking forward to hearing their
Speaker 4: their takes and their thoughts on not just me, but
Speaker 4: the whole experience in general. And I know I can't
Speaker 4: do anything about that now. But it is kind of
Speaker 4: interesting to hear what their thoughts are because you can
Speaker 4: only think what they felt when they left, but they
Speaker 4: might have something they still want to say.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it'll be interesting. I'm sure it'll be good TV.
Speaker 2: Tell us, like the Ultimate Debrief.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be my first tell all too, which I'm
Speaker 4: excited about, Like I didn't get to go and tell,
Speaker 4: so it's my first feel for all that, as much
Speaker 4: as it's different as a lead, like I don't even
Speaker 4: know what these things are like, so I'm excited to
Speaker 4: see it finally.
Speaker 2: Just that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if you would just take a shot
Speaker 1: before I went out there and have fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get a good night's sleep the night before.
Speaker 2: It's just they're long, but they're good. You'll have a
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all you can do, Joe, Just take surep
Speaker 3: bing get out there and.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, Okay, Joey, thank you so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look forward to seeing you guys soon and talking more.
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