WEBVTT - One on One with Joey! 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.040 Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.360 I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here with. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.640 Not only than the Bachelor himself, Joey. Welcome to Happy Hour. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:11.640 Glad to be here. How do you guys doing? 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:12.520 How you doing? 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.200 I'm good, busy in New York right now, got a 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.119 lot of press going on, but oh are good. Yeah. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:20.320 I definitely read. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.520 The same spot why aren't we together? 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.680 I was gonna say we should have come to person. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:24.919 Yeah, that would have been fun. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.040 I know next time. I feel like we'll see you 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:28.200 again on this podcast. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.360 Yeah, maybe there's a good chance of it. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.520 We were saying last time we had you on feels 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.640 like forever ago now, because it was like before you 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.240 even started filming, right after you got announced at Charity's AFR. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.800 Yeah, that was actually a really long time ago. There's 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.360 been a lot that's happened since then. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.640 Obviously you feel like as a person you're a little different. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:49.200 Uh. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.960 Yeah, I think anyone changes and grows a little bit 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:53.880 through this. I don't think I'm like a bad different. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.760 I think I've I've learned a lot and have had 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:57.640 obviously a lot of experiences since then. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.280 But hopefully all good things. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.880 You're a though, hear you? 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:03.240 I was. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.920 I was in it, just like are you traumatized? 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.840 Just saying traumatize isn't the word, but I had an experience, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:11.479 that's for sure. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.200 Is it what you imagined? 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:15.920 Uh? 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.440 Yeah, I think that a lot of it was what I imagined, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.840 But I'll be the first to admit that you honestly 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:22.679 can't imagine it. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.920 Like a lot of this is something that. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.360 Until you're in it, you don't know exactly what it's 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.920 going to be like not only how you're gonna react, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.000 but how the whole thing. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:32.679 Is gonna play out. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.600 And uh, some things were surprised, some things were different 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.920 than I could have imagined, but for overall, it was 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.800 what I thought it could and was going on. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:44.000 I feel like the leads in with like a pretty 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.400 similar mindset of like I'm aware of the unknown, and 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.240 they're usually pretty like bang on with that. But I 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.680 feel like with the contestants, you see a lot of 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.240 people come off and be like, I really thought I 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.600 knew what I was getting myself into, because it's just 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.920 that like ignorance is bliss kind of situation, like, and 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.920 they like have an idea of what they're getting cells 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:02.480 into and then they come out and they're like, I 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.920 had no idea what I was getting myself into. That 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.400 was like completely different than what I could have expected. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.720 For sure. I think it's definitely different for the contest 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:10.120 in side. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.160 Yeah, you are getting You're getting a lot of love, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.280 which well deserved. Did you talk to any of the 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.600 prior bachelors prior to coming on the show? 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.160 Yeah, I had. I had a few people reach out 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.160 and just kind of send me a message on Instagram 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:28.000 when it was first coming out, and I've said it before. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.720 I think at other times like I was pretty on 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.600 my own path of like, you know, I'm gonna try 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.680 to do it my way and not really try to 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:35.880 hear how other people. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.720 Have done it. I learned very quickly that was a 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:38.240 bad idea. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.240 I could talk to someone almost immediately and it would 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.200 have helped because they they understand it. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.119 There's only the people that have been through this get 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:44.760 what it's like. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.000 And I've been able to since then talked to Ben 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.960 Higgins a lot. He's someone that I just have I've 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.120 kind of bounced a lot of things off of I'm 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.200 close with Jason Target too, so he's been there to 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.000 kind of give me some more advice on things just 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.480 in the world in general, and no means thinking that 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.240 I can figure this out in my own now it's 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.000 just a different thing. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.240 But Ben's been a really big part of it for me. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:07.160 He's been great. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.480 Was there anything in particular you were like conscious of 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.440 not doing. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.480 Like a like a rule you set for yourself, like. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.240 Zach accept the no sexule, which I am backfired immediately. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.760 Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.120 I don't I didn't talk anything about the sexual I 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.799 stayed away from that as much as possible. I think 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.680 what my overall general thing I tried to do was 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.480 make sure my words had meaning. I didn't try to 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.920 have something just come out out of nowhere, like you 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.840 feel something you just say it, Like I really try 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.400 to think through everything I was saying. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.360 And obviously that comes into play with the. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.000 Whole love conversation, and you know, understanding the difference of 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.080 falling and the difference of falling in love and the 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.520 difference of saying you're in love, like that's this is 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.000 the first time in life I realized there's steps to that, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.600 and it makes sense when you go through it. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.120 But initially you're like isn't it the same thing? But 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:58.480 it's not. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.280 And being aware of how you say and what you say, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.160 I think is really important and you'll see. I try 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:05.760 to do the best I could to make sure that 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.920 I did it correctly and just trusted what I felt. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.960 But yeah, I didn't have like a this is the 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.200 rule that I need to follow. I just again, I 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.120 want my words to have a lot of meating behind them. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.960 Do you feel like it got harder as you went 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.160 on or easier as you went on to kind of 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.960 like conjure emotions, because I feel like, on one hand, 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.719 like in the beginning, I feel like I would be 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.400 like very filtered almost and very conscious, and then as 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.440 you get more comfortable with people and the feelings start 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.560 to develop, it and be like, yeah, I'll just say 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.560 whatever I'm thinking. Or do you think like as you 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.400 got down to the line, it was like I have 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.200 to be even more intentional with this. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.240 Yeah, it's it's both right. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.360 Because you get more comfortable, the feelings come out more naturally. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.120 You sink into it almost, and that's that's great, like 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.320 that it makes it easier to express, but you know 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.080 how real the feelings are too, So I was very 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.440 aware of making sure that I was never leading someone 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.280 on or sharing too much, or again giving something that 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.400 seemed like it was making. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.240 Promises that you can't make during this. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.200 So it was easier to be emotional and tell your 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.560 true feelings, but I was definitely being aware of what 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.360 I was saying because you just have to. You never 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.120 want to give these women false hope. I think that's 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.400 the hardest thing in this position. Is it's natural too, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.440 because there are real feelings, but you have to remember 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.160 that you can only choose one at the end if 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.479 everything works out, and if you give false hope, you're 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.760 just you're gonna be hurting. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:27.240 Yourself later on. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:27.840 Yeah. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.440 Yeah, What does it feel like having that responsibility of 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.760 like having to care for so many people's hearts and 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.560 emotions throughout all of this, Like you got. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.960 A lot of weight on your back. It's a lot. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:42.880 I think that I didn't. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.039 That was the part that I've tried to explain to 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.720 that The emotional side of it was probably the thing 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.880 I didn't expect. I thought it'd be weird with like 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.400 the physical cheating in your head where you're kissing multiple 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.080 people even though it's all understood. But the emotional part 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.880 was the hardest thing to be having these really in depth, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.279 deep conversations, sharing parts of your life, opening up who 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.240 you are as a person with multiple people. That's what 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.520 felt most like cheating to me or in any way, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.480 and I know it wasn't because we all agree on it, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.520 but that mindset is what carries the weight because it's 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.360 a lot for all of them to be opening up 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.479 for me to there's weight to it. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.040 There's no doubt there's weight to it. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.599 Was there anything while you were on Charity Season as 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.280 a contestant that you didn't quite understand, like her reasoning 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.000 behind doing whatever it may have been, that you now 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.320 kind of as the lead, are like, Okay, this this 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.159 makes sense or maybe this is why you know she 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.080 was a certain way. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.160 I think the biggest thing is not trying to understand 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.200 why they have a connection. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.120 And that's I know broad. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.880 Because I don't want to give individual people, but you 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.120 always have that point where you're a contestant, like how 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.280 the heck do they like them? Or how is that 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.960 growing into something? And you just don't see a lot 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.120 that people are different when they interact with you. They're 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.280 different in different settings. You just you can't understand why 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.960 there's a connection, and it's not your place to even 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.320 understand why there's a connection. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:11.800 You should be focusing on your own. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.840 But I will be the first to admit when you're 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.640 a contestant, you look at stuff and you're like, I 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.000 just don't see how they're with that person or they 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.640 see something, And from being on the lead side, you 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.559 can see how different it is, and it's really something 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.600 that you should just be focusing on what you're doing. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:25.920 At the time. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.680 Yeah. I feel like that's so true, Like every contestant 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.240 that's been on the show can relate to that, like 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.400 I just don't understand like how those two are compatible, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.680 like how he's compatible with her, and vice versa. But 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.840 I think that's also the beauty in watching it back 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.400 and being able to be like, oh, I see it now. 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.160 Is that also though interesting for you to watch back 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.440 and then see those people that you had all these 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.800 rhematic relationships with in the group setting in the house 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.000 and kind of compare that. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.120 Yeah, I saw the Canadian come out there when he said. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.960 How it's totally say I love it, I love it. Yeah. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.160 I think the other part is like I didn't see 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.160 any of the interviews that the women were having. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.800 I didn't see the full dynamics. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:10.040 All. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.440 This is new for me too, and as we know, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:13.160 you only. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.920 Get a glimmer of all of it, You only get 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.840 just little peace, So I know I'm never going to 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.880 see the full extent of it. But yeah, it's always 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.200 weird to watch out and realize, oh wait, that was 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.280 bigger than I thought it was, or this actually wasn't 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:25.960 that big of a deal. You can kind of see 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.760 what the girls hold on to more and what they're 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.360 kind of conversating about, and what's going. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:31.920 From week to week. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.040 Because at the end of the day, I was hoping 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:35.640 that we didn't talk about a lot of the stuff 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.079 going on the house. We just focused on our own connection. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.880 But yeah, there's things you don't see that you do 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.000 see now, And it's always interesting to watch back. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.120 Do you have a favorite like one on one date 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.640 as far as like the experience. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:49.559 Jasper is unbelievable. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.760 Jasper like both dates in Jasper, just because that place 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:53.880 is gorgeous. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.959 Those dates were so cool. We had a very. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.080 Fun cultural date with like checking out the town with 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.600 me and Kelsey A and then the horseback ride that 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.280 was my first time on a horse with Daisy, So 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.559 I think that that week as a whole, as much 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.680 as I loved the Spain dates as well. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.480 I think those all four of those dates. The Rhonda 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:13.040 date was. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.560 Special, the Flamenco date was really cool, and also the 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.120 two Jasper dates, just because I think it was more 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.160 the setting and the women I was with too, But 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.040 it just was something about those dates just flowed and 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.440 I have nothing but great experiences on all four of those. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:29.280 The bar date with. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.679 Joe, we just did a recap of this episode, the 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.599 Jazzer episode, the one that just aired. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.280 Well, it's bullshit. You guys just right had a bar 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:37.920 hanging out. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.600 I felt like we were very envious of this date 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.960 because we're like, this is like our typical Saturday, Like, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.880 how did they allow this? They're just playing pool at 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:45.160 a bar. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.320 Oh my god. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.679 I can't even tell you how great that day felt, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.480 because it was like, Wow, we're just doing normal things, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.560 like that was actually what you would do in Jasper 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:55.560 because it's a small town. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:56.480 You can't do anything else. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.240 You'd go to the local bar, a local pub, grab 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.960 a beer, and go playpool. And like it was amazing 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.000 that that date was so fluid and natural to what 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.160 it would feel like, and yeah, sometimes we do all 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:08.679 these big and extravagant things. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.679 That date was so natural and it just it felt right. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.240 Yeah, it was all. It was a bit chill estate 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.720 of the season, just because I feel like even when 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.360 you're in Spain or you're still in this like different country. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.720 I mean you're in Canada, but like it's not that different. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:24.960 Yeah. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.000 Yeah, it felt a little bit like we're getting back 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.560 to the normal sea of it all. But yeah, no, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.040 we had some beautiful spots, but Jasper was I mean, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.280 that place is unbelievable. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.040 We also don't you don't. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.679 See it because I don't think we ever got a 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.000 chance to capture it on camera. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:39.680 But we got to see the northern lights when we 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.200 were there too. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.760 No way, it's unbelievable. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.040 I've never seen something like that before. And we were 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.720 just like one night when we were finishing up, we 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:47.360 look up and. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.839 I'm like, oh, the sky's dancing. That's pretty cool, like crazy. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.360 That's unreal. That is so cool. I didn't even know 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.200 you could see them from there. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.920 If I'm being honest, I apparently it's not a normal 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.960 thing like they have it sometimes up when you get 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:01.240 that high up in Alberta. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.000 But they just that was the best one they said 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:04.120 they've had in years too. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:19.000 Wow, you guys got very lucky. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:18.240 As a lead or just as yourself. What is more difficult? 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.240 There's the situation of her basically opening up in you 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.320 saying like I'm going to send you home it's just 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.760 not you, you know, or lexis situation where it's like 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.480 she sends herself home because you guys really aren't on 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.840 the same timeline after the show, but like it's hard 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.640 for you to to even be able to say you 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.520 could get there because you just don't know. There's so 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.800 many women left. So what is more difficult? 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.160 WHOA That's a very specific question. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:53.360 Yeah, that's a good one too. I think the biggest 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.160 thing for me is that this is just a personal 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.880 right as me as a person, I struggle so much 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.360 more with hurting someone and like giving a sense of rejection. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.880 So if it's a personal answer to me, I could 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.600 understand where Alexi was coming from. I could understand why 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.920 that was the thing, and I think we had a 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.160 very grown up conversation about it, and there was mutual 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.440 respect that as much as it hurt and it didn't 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.160 feel like the right time for that to end. You 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.680 can leave that and feel good about it. But with 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.319 you know, sending someone home and knowing that they still 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.559 want something to be there even though you can't quite 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.480 see it, you feel that emotion more. And yeah, just 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.880 with how I am, I feel for them, and I 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.719 feel for the whole situation in general, because it's not. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:39.800 That they do anything wrong. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.240 It's just about me being honest, and it's the most 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.320 honest thing I can do is send them home in 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:44.800 that case. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.040 But it's hard. That never will feel good and that 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.360 will probably hold on me the most throughout the whole thing. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.400 Yeah, man, I feel like I don't know why we've 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:55.800 talked a lot of it this on the podcast, but 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.560 like the and I know I already kind of asked 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.360 you this, but just like the responsibility of having to 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.280 take on so many of these women's stories and the emotions, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.240 I feel like is a whole other level to being 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.320 the lead that you guys just don't get enough credit for. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.640 Was there a breakup or like a rose ceremony that 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.480 up until this point stood out as like one of 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:17.160 the harder ones. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:23.200 Yeah, I would say, hands down, Jasper, just because those 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.960 those six women, I mean, it was great to know 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.600 that when we got to that point that each of 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.079 them had a one on one, right, so we've all 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.200 had the ability to make real connections. It didn't feel 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.720 like we didn't have enough time. It's just at that 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.840 point making decisions off of what you think is the 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:37.800 strongest connection. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.120 It's not if you have a connection, it's which one's 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:40.839 the strongest. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.480 So that one was the toughest just because yeah, no 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.760 one did anything wrong. You didn't, You couldn't use time 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.520 as an excuse. Just kind of came to the point 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.800 where you have to make tough decisions. And at this 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.640 point that's hands down been the hardest Rose ceremony and 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:54.640 decisions that I've. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:54.920 Had to make. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.720 Yeah, I can imagine only gets harder every time. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.160 Yeah, yeah, it's the next one will be harder, and 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.719 so the next, and so all the way to the end. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.280 It doesn't get any easier. And you find that out 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.920 also very quickly. You're like, wow, Okay, they weren't lying. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.800 This isn't gonna get any easier each week. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:16.080 Yeah, I'm gonna do one more like compare do it. Yeah, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.000 I'm on a roll, the Joe. These will definitely these 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:23.200 will flop at some point. Okay, when you were Joey 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.760 on Charity season, and I'm assuming there were guys in 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.640 the house that may not were like just on the show, right, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.720 they don't they don't really have a connection with Charity. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.120 They're just kind of like they're doing the show but 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.200 are just like there because like, dude, there has to 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.120 be thirty of us, right as a lead. Do you 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.120 sense that from any of the women, like, I don't 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.760 really like yeah, like they're just kind of like there, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.239 They're not even like there's no real feelings. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.120 Yeah, that's that's tough, right, because I think a lot 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.760 of times with them just being there, that also comes 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.240 with circumstances and you being able to have any I 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.800 do feel lucky with this season in general. There was 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.240 so many amazing women that when you start to have 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.680 those conversations and you start to open up, you do 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:10.360 make a connection. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.960 You do feel like they're not just there. But I'm 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:13.560 sure some of. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.680 The women will admit that they felt that way through 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.880 this process because we just didn't have the ability to 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.320 have more time to get to that. So you can 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.400 kind of feel when there's someone that maybe isn't going 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.560 out of their way to make the connection go any further. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.000 But I would say this season it did feel like 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.920 there was a lot of women that were invested that 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.320 we're interested in making a connection. We just might not 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.680 have had enough time to do it. But I know 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.760 what you're talking about. Being on the contestant side, you 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.200 can feel it a lot more when you're around them 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.800 when I was in the setting of seeing them. You know, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.480 you're on dates, especially in a group date, there's a 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.320 lot of different dynamics going on. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.440 That I try to pay attention to as much as 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:49.720 I could, but it is hard. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.680 It is hard to catch all those cues that you 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.040 can catch when you're a contestant. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:54.400 Got it. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.720 Yeah, I feel like a little bit about the drama 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.360 in the house this season. I know you're going to 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.560 get way more to it during the tell all, but 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.960 just watching it back kind of what was that experience 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:06.400 like for you? 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.040 It was tough. I'll be the first tamut. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.160 It was tough because you know, you don't see everything, 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.400 and uh, you don't want to be quick to judge 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:15.000 in any way. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.880 But it's it's it's hard to see that there was 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.120 this much of a like an issue. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.920 I guess you could call it or just these these 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.880 girls that are kind of not getting along with one another. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.600