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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here with.

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Speaker 1: Not only than the Bachelor himself, Joey. Welcome to Happy Hour.

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Speaker 3: Glad to be here. How do you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, busy in New York right now, got a

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Speaker 3: lot of press going on, but oh are good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I definitely read.

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Speaker 3: The same spot why aren't we together?

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say we should have come to person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been fun.

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Speaker 2: I know next time. I feel like we'll see you

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Speaker 2: again on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there's a good chance of it.

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Speaker 2: We were saying last time we had you on feels

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Speaker 2: like forever ago now, because it was like before you

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Speaker 2: even started filming, right after you got announced at Charity's AFR.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was actually a really long time ago. There's

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Speaker 4: been a lot that's happened since then.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you feel like as a person you're a little different.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think anyone changes and grows a little bit

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Speaker 4: through this. I don't think I'm like a bad different.

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Speaker 4: I think I've I've learned a lot and have had

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Speaker 4: obviously a lot of experiences since then.

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Speaker 3: But hopefully all good things.

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Speaker 1: You're a though, hear you?

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was in it, just like are you traumatized?

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Speaker 4: Just saying traumatize isn't the word, but I had an experience,

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Speaker 4: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Is it what you imagined?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that a lot of it was what I imagined,

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Speaker 4: But I'll be the first to admit that you honestly

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Speaker 4: can't imagine it.

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Speaker 3: Like a lot of this is something that.

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Speaker 4: Until you're in it, you don't know exactly what it's

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Speaker 4: going to be like not only how you're gonna react,

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Speaker 4: but how the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Is gonna play out.

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Speaker 4: And uh, some things were surprised, some things were different

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Speaker 4: than I could have imagined, but for overall, it was

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Speaker 4: what I thought it could and was going on.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the leads in with like a pretty

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Speaker 2: similar mindset of like I'm aware of the unknown, and

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Speaker 2: they're usually pretty like bang on with that. But I

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Speaker 2: feel like with the contestants, you see a lot of

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Speaker 2: people come off and be like, I really thought I

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Speaker 2: knew what I was getting myself into, because it's just

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Speaker 2: that like ignorance is bliss kind of situation, like, and

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Speaker 2: they like have an idea of what they're getting cells

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Speaker 2: into and then they come out and they're like, I

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Speaker 2: had no idea what I was getting myself into. That

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Speaker 2: was like completely different than what I could have expected.

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Speaker 3: For sure. I think it's definitely different for the contest

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Speaker 3: in side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you are getting You're getting a lot of love,

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Speaker 1: which well deserved. Did you talk to any of the

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Speaker 1: prior bachelors prior to coming on the show?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had. I had a few people reach out

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Speaker 4: and just kind of send me a message on Instagram

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Speaker 4: when it was first coming out, and I've said it before.

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Speaker 4: I think at other times like I was pretty on

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Speaker 4: my own path of like, you know, I'm gonna try

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Speaker 4: to do it my way and not really try to

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Speaker 4: hear how other people.

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Speaker 3: Have done it. I learned very quickly that was a

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Speaker 3: bad idea.

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Speaker 4: I could talk to someone almost immediately and it would

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Speaker 4: have helped because they they understand it.

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Speaker 3: There's only the people that have been through this get

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Speaker 3: what it's like.

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Speaker 4: And I've been able to since then talked to Ben

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Speaker 4: Higgins a lot. He's someone that I just have I've

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Speaker 4: kind of bounced a lot of things off of I'm

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Speaker 4: close with Jason Target too, so he's been there to

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Speaker 4: kind of give me some more advice on things just

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Speaker 4: in the world in general, and no means thinking that

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Speaker 4: I can figure this out in my own now it's

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Speaker 4: just a different thing.

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Speaker 3: But Ben's been a really big part of it for me.

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Speaker 3: He's been great.

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Speaker 1: Was there anything in particular you were like conscious of

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Speaker 1: not doing.

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Speaker 2: Like a like a rule you set for yourself, like.

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Speaker 1: Zach accept the no sexule, which I am backfired immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that.

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Speaker 4: I don't I didn't talk anything about the sexual I

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Speaker 4: stayed away from that as much as possible. I think

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Speaker 4: what my overall general thing I tried to do was

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Speaker 4: make sure my words had meaning. I didn't try to

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Speaker 4: have something just come out out of nowhere, like you

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Speaker 4: feel something you just say it, Like I really try

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Speaker 4: to think through everything I was saying.

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Speaker 3: And obviously that comes into play with the.

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Speaker 4: Whole love conversation, and you know, understanding the difference of

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Speaker 4: falling and the difference of falling in love and the

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Speaker 4: difference of saying you're in love, like that's this is

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Speaker 4: the first time in life I realized there's steps to that,

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Speaker 4: and it makes sense when you go through it.

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Speaker 3: But initially you're like isn't it the same thing? But

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Speaker 4: And being aware of how you say and what you say,

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Speaker 4: I think is really important and you'll see. I try

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Speaker 4: to do the best I could to make sure that

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Speaker 4: I did it correctly and just trusted what I felt.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't have like a this is the

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Speaker 4: rule that I need to follow. I just again, I

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Speaker 4: want my words to have a lot of meating behind them.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like it got harder as you went

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Speaker 2: on or easier as you went on to kind of

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Speaker 2: like conjure emotions, because I feel like, on one hand,

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Speaker 2: like in the beginning, I feel like I would be

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Speaker 2: like very filtered almost and very conscious, and then as

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Speaker 2: to develop, it and be like, yeah, I'll just say

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Speaker 2: whatever I'm thinking. Or do you think like as you

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Speaker 2: got down to the line, it was like I have

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Speaker 2: to be even more intentional with this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's both right.

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Speaker 4: Because you get more comfortable, the feelings come out more naturally.

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Speaker 4: You sink into it almost, and that's that's great, like

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Speaker 4: that it makes it easier to express, but you know

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Speaker 4: how real the feelings are too, So I was very

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Speaker 4: aware of making sure that I was never leading someone

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Speaker 3: Promises that you can't make during this.

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Speaker 4: So it was easier to be emotional and tell your

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Speaker 4: true feelings, but I was definitely being aware of what

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Speaker 4: I was saying because you just have to. You never

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Speaker 4: want to give these women false hope. I think that's

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Speaker 4: the hardest thing in this position. Is it's natural too,

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Speaker 4: because there are real feelings, but you have to remember

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Speaker 4: that you can only choose one at the end if

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Speaker 4: everything works out, and if you give false hope, you're

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Speaker 4: just you're gonna be hurting.

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Speaker 3: Yourself later on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, What does it feel like having that responsibility of

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Speaker 2: like having to care for so many people's hearts and

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Speaker 2: emotions throughout all of this, Like you got.

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Speaker 3: A lot of weight on your back. It's a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think that I didn't.

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Speaker 4: That was the part that I've tried to explain to

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Speaker 4: that The emotional side of it was probably the thing

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Speaker 4: I didn't expect. I thought it'd be weird with like

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Speaker 4: the physical cheating in your head where you're kissing multiple

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Speaker 4: people even though it's all understood. But the emotional part

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Speaker 4: was the hardest thing to be having these really in depth,

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Speaker 4: deep conversations, sharing parts of your life, opening up who

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Speaker 4: you are as a person with multiple people. That's what

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Speaker 4: felt most like cheating to me or in any way,

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Speaker 4: and I know it wasn't because we all agree on it,

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Speaker 4: but that mindset is what carries the weight because it's

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Speaker 4: a lot for all of them to be opening up

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Speaker 4: for me to there's weight to it.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt there's weight to it.

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Speaker 1: Was there anything while you were on Charity Season as

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Speaker 1: a contestant that you didn't quite understand, like her reasoning

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Speaker 1: behind doing whatever it may have been, that you now

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Speaker 1: kind of as the lead, are like, Okay, this this

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Speaker 1: was a certain way.

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is not trying to understand

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Speaker 4: why they have a connection.

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Speaker 3: And that's I know broad.

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Speaker 4: Because I don't want to give individual people, but you

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Speaker 4: always have that point where you're a contestant, like how

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Speaker 4: the heck do they like them? Or how is that

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Speaker 4: growing into something? And you just don't see a lot

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Speaker 4: that people are different when they interact with you. They're

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Speaker 4: different in different settings. You just you can't understand why

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Speaker 4: there's a connection, and it's not your place to even

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Speaker 4: understand why there's a connection.

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Speaker 3: You should be focusing on your own.

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Speaker 4: But I will be the first to admit when you're

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Speaker 4: a contestant, you look at stuff and you're like, I

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Speaker 4: just don't see how they're with that person or they

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Speaker 4: see something, And from being on the lead side, you

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Speaker 4: can see how different it is, and it's really something

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Speaker 4: that you should just be focusing on what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: At the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like that's so true, Like every contestant

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Speaker 2: that's been on the show can relate to that, like

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand like how those two are compatible,

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Speaker 2: like how he's compatible with her, and vice versa. But

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Speaker 2: I think that's also the beauty in watching it back

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Speaker 2: and being able to be like, oh, I see it now.

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Speaker 2: Is that also though interesting for you to watch back

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Speaker 2: and then see those people that you had all these

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Speaker 2: rhematic relationships with in the group setting in the house

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Speaker 2: and kind of compare that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw the Canadian come out there when he said.

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Speaker 3: How it's totally say I love it, I love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think the other part is like I didn't see

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Speaker 4: any of the interviews that the women were having.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see the full dynamics.

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 3: This is new for me too, and as we know,

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Speaker 4: Get a glimmer of all of it, You only get

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Speaker 4: just little peace, So I know I'm never going to

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Speaker 4: see the full extent of it. But yeah, it's always

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Speaker 4: weird to watch out and realize, oh wait, that was

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Speaker 4: bigger than I thought it was, or this actually wasn't

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Speaker 4: that big of a deal. You can kind of see

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Speaker 4: what the girls hold on to more and what they're

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Speaker 4: kind of conversating about, and what's going.

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Speaker 3: From week to week.

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Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, I was hoping

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Speaker 4: that we didn't talk about a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 4: going on the house. We just focused on our own connection.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there's things you don't see that you do

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Speaker 4: see now, And it's always interesting to watch back.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite like one on one date

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Speaker 1: as far as like the experience.

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Speaker 3: Jasper is unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Jasper like both dates in Jasper, just because that place

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Speaker 4: is gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Those dates were so cool. We had a very.

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Speaker 4: Fun cultural date with like checking out the town with

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Speaker 4: me and Kelsey A and then the horseback ride that

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Speaker 1: Well, it's bullshit. You guys just right had a bar

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Speaker 4: It's just about me being honest, and it's the most

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Speaker 3: But it's hard. That never will feel good and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I feel like I don't know why we've

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Speaker 4: So that one was the toughest just because yeah, no

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's the next one will be harder, and

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Speaker 4: It doesn't get any easier. And you find that out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna do one more like compare do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm on a roll, the Joe. These will definitely these

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Speaker 3: You do feel like they're not just there. But I'm

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Speaker 4: The women will admit that they felt that way through

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Speaker 4: It is hard to catch all those cues that you

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Speaker 3: It was tough. I'll be the first tamut.

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Speaker 4: It was tough because you know, you don't see everything,

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Speaker 3: But it's it's it's hard to see that there was

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so tough because I get it because

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Speaker 4: Watch back with this trauma, is just how I could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like I agree with Joe, like

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's fair to be crucial or any

448
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 4: type of, you know, rude to any of these women

449
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,879
Speaker 4: because it's so tough. But the hardest part is to

450
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,720
Speaker 4: see that you can tell it definitely gotten the way

451
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,640
Speaker 4: of me being able to at least get to know.

452
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 3: Some of these women better.

453
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. We saw Zach on his season say like, don't

454
00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,800
Speaker 2: don't bring the drama in the house to me, Like

455
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,840
Speaker 2: I remember one one was like, stuff's going on? Do

456
00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,240
Speaker 2: you want to know? When he was like I don't

457
00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,199
Speaker 2: want to know. Well, I am going to tell you actually,

458
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,160
Speaker 2: But did you at any point.

459
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,560
Speaker 1: I feel like if I was the lead, i'd lie

460
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,360
Speaker 1: to take bring it. I want the entertainments.

461
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're a whole other situation. But did you

462
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 2: like go into it like obviously, I'm sure you had

463
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,480
Speaker 2: an idea there might be some drama. Did you go

464
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 2: into it with any like this is how I want

465
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,600
Speaker 2: to handle it, or this is how I handle drama

466
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,679
Speaker 2: and like my everyday life if it arises, and this

467
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 2: is kind of how having to do it on the

468
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 2: show or where you like, I'm just going to see

469
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:06,400
Speaker 2: what happens.

470
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a mix of both. I

471
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 3: definitely in life in general.

472
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,400
Speaker 4: You can see when I was on Charity season two,

473
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 4: like I run the other way.

474
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with it.

475
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 4: I would try as much as possible to not have

476
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 4: it be a part of this, but you know it's

477
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 4: going to come, and it's more about I never wanted

478
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 4: to feel like the women couldn't bring something to me,

479
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 4: or that I don't care about their opinion or feelings

480
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 4: on something. But also I didn't want it to be

481
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,959
Speaker 4: something if I didn't think it was fully necessary. So

482
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 4: you can probably even see throughout when this was happening,

483
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 4: I'm not going on a goose chase and asking like

484
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 4: all these different women, like what's going on, what's happening

485
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 4: here and there? Like unless someone brought aughtit to me,

486
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to talk about it. But if they did,

487
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 4: that's valid for them having their own emotions and their feelings,

488
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 4: and I don't want to feel like I'm just going

489
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 4: to dismiss them. But yeah, I was definitely not looking

490
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 4: to talk about it.

491
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Speaker 2: If I could, you're in searching for it, No, it.

492
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,439
Speaker 4: Would never I think that drama's natural in life. But

493
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 4: the more you can rise above and ignore it.

494
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 3: You tend to be a happier individual.

495
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: Let's cut to this week's episode. At the at the

496
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 1: brow ceremony, we see you canceled the cocktail party.

497
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Speaker 3: Why so?

498
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 4: The cocktail party canceling was mainly because the group day

499
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 4: after party we had very long conversations.

500
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: I felt really good.

501
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 4: I know you can't see it all, but I felt

502
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 4: really good where I was at, and I thought I

503
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 4: had a good idea. The only conversation I didn't feel

504
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 4: like I fully had closure on was Maria's conversation because

505
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 4: it did get derailed from what I thought it was

506
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 4: going to be. So it's kind of hard to be like,

507
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 4: I want to have a cocktail party for everyone, even

508
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 4: though you want that more time when I felt like

509
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 4: I pretty much knew what I thought I needed to do,

510
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 4: but I needed to talk through something with Maria to

511
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 4: make sure I understood where she was at. So it's

512
00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 4: it's it's definitely a difficult situation, but I don't want

513
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 4: to have those conversations and again possibly give someone false hope.

514
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 4: If I felt like from that last group date party

515
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 4: we had, we had enough of the conversation that I

516
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 4: thought I had an idea of.

517
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 3: What was coming next. But it was tough.

518
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 4: I wish I could have maybe talked to everyone, but

519
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 4: it just kind of wasn't in the cards for how

520
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 4: that night ended.

521
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: Up exactly what I thought exactly.

522
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: If Maria had given you a different answer, did you

523
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: have like a Plan B in mind of what you

524
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: might have done?

525
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 4: That's a tough one because I would never want any

526
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 4: of the women to feel like a.

527
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 3: Plan be either.

528
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 2: No, totally.

529
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me was I

530
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 4: was pretty sure I knew where she was at, but

531
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 4: I needed to hear it, and if she said something differently,

532
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 4: for all I know, I might have been, like, you

533
00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 4: know what doctail parties back on.

534
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 3: I had no.

535
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 4: Idea what I was going to do because I had

536
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 4: I had a good feeling that I knew where Maria

537
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 4: was at. I think she'll admit sometimes too that she

538
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 4: she struggles at explaining things when there's heightened emotions, and

539
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 4: that was what happened at the end of our conversation

540
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 4: we had during.

541
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: The the date party.

542
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't really have a Plan B yet

543
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 4: because I thought I kind of knew what was going.

544
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: To happen in that conversation makes sense.

545
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 1: So now you're about to go into hometown, when you're

546
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: about to meet their parents, are you nervous or are

547
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: you kind of like I'm the bachelor? Like what I think?

548
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I ever walk into the house and say

549
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 4: I'm the batch or like you just did Joe kick me.

550
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: Off, that's terrible. Other than that, No, I was nervous.

551
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 4: I think that I always you know, I think that

552
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 4: a family's blessing is such a big deal. It's a

553
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: weird type of blessing to ask because I always kept

554
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 4: saying through it like I don't I can't promise anything.

555
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 4: I'm in a rare position where I can't tell you

556
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 4: what's going on. Fully, I can't promise anything, but I'm

557
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: going to sit here in front of you and tell

558
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 4: you why I think your daughter's special and why I

559
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 4: think there's a chance this could work out at the end.

560
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: I just want to hear your thoughts.

561
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: So that was my mindset going into every single conversation.

562
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 4: Don't try to act like you haven't figured out. Don't

563
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: try to be the person to prove to them that

564
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: you're the person for their daughter. Just show who you

565
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: are as a person to understand that's a very rare situation,

566
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: and all masking is for understanding and maybe a little

567
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: bit of respect at the end of the day. But

568
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: that's earned, and I walked into every house wanting to

569
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 4: earn that, not expecting it in any way.

570
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: What's like the scariest thing going into hometowns for you, Like,

571
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: what is the worst case scenario that's playing in your head.

572
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 4: I think anyone that's been to that point can understand

573
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 4: how good things are going for a lot of the relationships.

574
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 4: At that point, you might be hitting the best point possible,

575
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 4: like you're seeing something grow, You're seeing something get to

576
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: the point like, wow, this might actually work. I was

577
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: so definitely afraid for hometowns being steps back. So I

578
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: won't talk about the specific relationships of why that would

579
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: be the case, but there were definitely moments going in

580
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: where I was like, this is going so well. I'm

581
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 4: definitely afraid of something going wrong in us not moving

582
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 4: at the same trajectory that we were. And I think

583
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: anyone would feel that because you understand how important it

584
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: is with family for yourself, for them especially, it's it

585
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 4: could be a deal breaker. And yeah, I just didn't

586
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: want to take steps backward in the relationships. I could

587
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 4: see we're really starting to progress.

588
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

589
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good answer. I was just gonna say, like,

590
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: if apparently yelled at me or something like that would be.

591
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: My worst case.

592
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Of course, I wanted to take it back for a second,

593
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: if you don't mind to Montreal. I feel like that's

594
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: the most emotional we've seen you this season on your

595
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: own like versus like within the context of a relationship.

596
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: What was going through your mind during that point and

597
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: what kind of got you to that place of a feeling.

598
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a lot of things. I

599
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: think obviously the first step of it was I was tired.

600
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 4: It was getting to that point where things were kind

601
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 4: of piling on top of each other and you feel

602
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: drinked emotionally, physically, all of that. And I didn't want

603
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: to hide that because again, I'm not going to try

604
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 4: to be that guy that walks in being like I'm good,

605
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: it's fine, because I think it's more important to be

606
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: honest on where.

607
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: You're having difficulties.

608
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: But I think the most important reason why I was

609
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: emotional and vulnerable was because, as anyone knows from the

610
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 4: contestant side, just like a lead. Your insecurity started to

611
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: come out when things started to get serious. And that

612
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 4: was the week as you could tell that a lot

613
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: of the women were starting to feel things on their own.

614
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: Conversations were coming. I could feel they were coming, even

615
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 4: though they didn't start yet that week because it was

616
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: the beginning of the week. You could just feel that

617
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: the next step of where the next conversation was going

618
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: to be was going to be deep and emotional and

619
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 4: personal and why they have feelings if they have feelings.

620
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: So I think I just felt the pressure and the

621
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 4: weight of that week, and when I started off, I

622
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 4: didn't know if I could handle that pressure in that

623
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: weight because I was trying to get back to feeling

624
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: good myself for that moment. But for lack of a

625
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: better explanation, I was having an off day and I

626
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 4: got caught on camera with it. So that's really what

627
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 4: it was, and I tried not to idle it and

628
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: like shy away from sharing it.

629
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sistant didn't travel like the jet lag would

630
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: kill me.

631
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: That was a long trip.

632
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 4: That was because we just did obviously two stints in

633
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: a row in uh in Europe, and then we had

634
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 4: that long trip back to Montreal and we had we

635
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: had a little bit of a break. But yeah, I

636
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 4: think all the women will admit too that that was

637
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: one of the toughest weeks because it was a big

638
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: travel after just spending time in Europe too. Uh So

639
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 4: you can always use that as an example. I think

640
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: it triggers something when you get a little more tired.

641
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, that was that was a tough week.

642
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 4: That was maybe one of the most emotional you'll see

643
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: me through this whole process, was that we speak and

644
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I kind of expected it and I lived it.

645
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming.

646
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, last question, we don't know if this whole thing

647
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: works out for you, right, but as as the lead

648
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: going through this, like you can't be one hundred percent

649
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, but like what percentage wise

650
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: do you feel like it's going to work out to

651
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: it not working.

652
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: Out, Like seventy percent workout, thirty percent not going to

653
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: work out.

654
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, at this stage right now, I think I was more.

655
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: I think you're right on the point. I think it

656
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: was more like at this point going to the hometowns,

657
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: I was probably seventy thirty eighty twenty because I could

658
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: see the relationships. We're getting there, but we haven't got

659
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: to the point of anyone expressing that they're actually in

660
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: love with me, if there's if there's real feelings that

661
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 4: they could see a future, because those those conversations come

662
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: later on and during it. I think that what you're

663
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 4: feeling is is it going to keep progressing?

664
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: Because it is right now, but is it going to

665
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: get there?

666
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: So there's always going to be that twenty to thirty

667
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 4: percent of doubt until you know someone feels the same

668
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: way that you might feel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got it going into hometown. We know that your

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Speaker 2: hometown date wasn't necessarily the smoothest hometown date of the season.

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Speaker 3: Joe shout out, Uncle Joe.

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Speaker 2: Shout out, Uncle Joe. How did you feel like going

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00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: into these hometowns and what did you kind of learn

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Speaker 2: from your experience as a contestant with someone that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: had a little bit of conflict at their hometown.

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Speaker 4: I think I learned not to judge completely off of

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00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: the hometown because there's so many dynamics and things that

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00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 4: might affect if.

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Speaker 3: It goes well or not.

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00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: And definitely to be willing to ask questions if I

681
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: felt any any kind of pushback from a family member,

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Speaker 4: I would I would want to learn and ask more

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00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: about why, because I think that it's important to understand

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00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 4: it and not just go with how they're feeling. Because

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00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: I can speak from experience, the reason why my uncle

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00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: was pushing so much or while he was unsure is

687
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: because he was protecting me and making sure I felt

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00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: that way and wanted to, you know, to really feel

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Speaker 4: out the person that I could possibly end with, because

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Speaker 4: that was the last time he was going to see

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Speaker 4: her if that was the case, So, uh, intentions were there.

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Speaker 3: He just was a little rough around the edges of

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00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: how he did it.

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Speaker 4: And I know other family members could be that way too,

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Speaker 4: So I guess what I took in was just to

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00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: make sure I asked a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't quick to judge if I felt something a

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Speaker 3: little off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like with context, it does make

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00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: so much sense about like that dynamic with your uncle

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00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: and why he was like, look, I'm not like I'm

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Speaker 2: not here to put like my best foot forward, Like

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00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm here to get some answers, and like if that

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00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: means I've got to be like really direct and maybe

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00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: not come across as like smooth or warm like that's

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00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: not my problem, which like I kind of like respect

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00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: that approach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always gotta be one family. There's gotta be

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00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: one family, which is a little harder. There's got to

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00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: be something. It's like, I'm gonna check this person a

711
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: little bit and like I you'll see that through this

712
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: there always is someone that does that, and uh, yeah,

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00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: it's part of it.

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Speaker 1: What are you most looking forward to with the tell all?

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Speaker 4: You know what, I don't know if I really thought

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00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: through what I'm looking forward to most. I think one

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00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: of the biggest things that I will look forward to

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00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: is honestly seeing the women to get and in actually

719
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: knowing how they're feeling. You're in a rare spot as

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Speaker 4: a lead that as much as you are doing your best,

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Speaker 4: you have a very big influence on how someone's experience is.

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Speaker 4: So I'm interested to hear about how these these women

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Speaker 4: look back on it. I know they have their own

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Speaker 4: things that they're gonna want to talk through on their own,

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00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: but I think I am looking forward to hearing their

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00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: their takes and their thoughts on not just me, but

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00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: the whole experience in general. And I know I can't

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00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: do anything about that now. But it is kind of

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00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: interesting to hear what their thoughts are because you can

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00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: only think what they felt when they left, but they

731
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: might have something they still want to say.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it'll be interesting. I'm sure it'll be good TV.

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Speaker 2: Tell us, like the Ultimate Debrief.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be my first tell all too, which I'm

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00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: excited about, Like I didn't get to go and tell,

736
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: so it's my first feel for all that, as much

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00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: as it's different as a lead, like I don't even

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00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: know what these things are like, so I'm excited to

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00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 4: see it finally.

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Speaker 2: Just that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, if you would just take a shot

742
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Speaker 1: before I went out there and have fun.

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00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get a good night's sleep the night before.

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00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: It's just they're long, but they're good. You'll have a

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00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: good time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all you can do, Joe, Just take surep

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Speaker 3: bing get out there and.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully, Okay, Joey, thank you so much for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look forward to seeing you guys soon and talking more.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, and to all our listeners, thank

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Speaker 1: you for saying staying tuned into Happy Hour. We appreciate you,

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00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: and we will have new episodes every week.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we have more recaps and exclusive interviews coming to you,

755
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: so be sure to subscribe and thanks for listening. Bye

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Speaker 2: bye