WEBVTT - Feed Drop: Turkeys Are Secretly Incredibly Fascinating! 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:06.880 Turkeys known for being birds, famous for being meats and 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.799 two types. Nobody thinks much about them. So let's have 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:16.560 some fun. Let's find out why turkeys are secretly incredibly fascinating. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.559 Hey there, folks, welcome to a whole new podcast episode 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.159 of podcast all about why being Alive is more interesting 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.320 than people think it is. My name is Alex Schmetta, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.120 and I'm not alone because I'm joined by my co host, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:49.120 Katie Golden. Katie, what is your relationship to or opinion 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.280 of turkeys? Gobble? 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:51.839 We'll go. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.640 Bobblegle, gobble gobble. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.440 I this is Katie not I know my turkey impression. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.279 It was really good, right, like I do, a very 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:04.360 good turkey impression. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:12.000 Give it a go up. But go Google goog gobble gobble. Yeah. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:19.120 I like turkeys, so I think they are really interesting 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:24.160 animals because they've been so they're so affiliated or associated 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.840 with Thanksgiving. Of course, we do eat them. Let's just 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.640 get that out of the way, right, We eat them, folks, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.440 that that happens. We do eat the We do eat 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:37.280 the turkeys. Wild turkeys are really interesting. They're I think 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.199 they're very beautiful, like the kinds of turkeys we eat 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.160 do not. I mean, I'm sure we're probably gonna talk 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.039 about all this. They don't really resemble as much the 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:50.400 wild turkeys that you see right roaming the American wilderness 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.520 and suburbs. But you know, yeah, I think it's it 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.639 is just really cool because I like I like birds, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.400 and especially like birds that remind me that birds are 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:04.000 the last living family of dinosaurs, which is fun. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.200 Yes, I agree with all that. And also I should 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.720 disclose how much I like eating turkey. I think I 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.520 eat more turkey than most Americans. We would do Schmid 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.240 family thanksgivings, and only me and my dad were excited 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.480 about turkey as a food. It's my main sandwich meat, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.440 all of the types Deli meat, dark meat, white me 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:25.600 with gravy. It's all great. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.440 Let me let me ask your sandwich preferences, Alex, So, like, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.360 what kind of turkey do you get? Like? Do you 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.760 have like a turkey sandwich pretty much weekly? 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.720 Yes, I'm a big deli counter person. I get like 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.520 a turkey and a cheese, often a provolone. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.120 That's the right answer. This was a test and you 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.799 passed it, so yeah, I can't. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.239 I really like the show could continue. That's good. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:55.280 Yeah, I really can't deal with packaged turkey like this, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.639 Like when I look in there and I see it 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.000 kind of moist and jiggly and little flimy, and then 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.600 I open that up and then I get that sort 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.760 of like of like turkey smell right from the package. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.000 I cannot deal with that. That is too much for me. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.680 So it's got to be fresh sliced from a local 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.080 deli or not at all. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.480 Yeah, I feel the same, Like I am actually fine 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.280 with the package, but it's just not nearly as good 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.840 to me, you know. Yeah, why settle. I'm a poultry fiend. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.400 I love it, and so I have many opinions on this, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.840 and many thanks to coop Bear. Also you agent for 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.640 suggesting this supporting this on the discord. I think it's 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.560 a pretty US Thanksgiving driven suggestion. Also shout out to 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.560 our Canadian friends who celebrated Thanksgiving last month. But either way, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.120 we're going to talk about the bird and the food 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.240 all at once. This is a great show. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.160 Yeah, I mean I think that it is. You know, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.240 it might sound contradictory, right to appreciate the animal but 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.400 also not like want to maybe sometimes eat that animal. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.160 I personally think that it is important to know where 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.840 our food comes from, to respect them, and to also 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.640 encourage sort of better practices in terms of what we 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.640 eat and how we treat our farmed animals. We can 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.400 appreciate the food, but also want to appreciate respect the animal. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.400 I feel same and also with bison. Everybody knows I 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.640 love byson and I eat bison when it's offered to me. Yeah, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.880 for all those things, the bird, the food, everything. We're 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.960 leading with a quick set of fascinating numbers and statistics 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.320 this week. That's in a segment called oh come y 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.920 fens of sift podstats Let not bad facts, dismay do 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.479 you say stats straight to your face to start the 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.920 pod to day, So perk your ears and listen. Clear 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:44.560 these digits that we say, Oh, tidings of stats we enjoy, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:50.040 Steps we enjoy, hot hidings of starts we enjoyed. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.880 I'm clapping because you really got the pentameter right on 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.800 that one. I don't know, I don't know what I'm saying. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.960 You did a good job. Also, is this sort of 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.159 airing on Thanksgiving? I think you just mentioned when it 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:05.960 was airing. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.479 But it'll be it's the week before the week of 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.080 us thanksgoing. Okay, yeah, okay, well, which is kind of 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:12.800 Christmas mode. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.800 I don't know, I don't know what is it? 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:15.760 Like, do you start listen? 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.680 Do you start jamming out to Christmas songs before Thanksgiving? 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:23.040 I do not, But I appreciate Christmas stuff, okay, which 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.560 is maybe a weird position, right, Like if I see 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.920 Christmas decorations, I'm like, that's cool, but I don't really 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.560 put on Christmas music till December. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:35.760 It's like I can both appreciate Santa and also eat 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.479 him as a food. So I get. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.600 It, save me the beard. I don't know how you 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:48.800 would eat it right. That name was submitted by Lemons 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.760 and Leaves on the Discord. Thank you for that. We 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.560 have a new name every week. Please make a Missilli 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.920 and Waggion bad as possible. Submit through Discord or to 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.960 sip potot gmail dot com. And the first number this 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:02.080 week is around eight hundred beests. And this is the 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.400 one number that came up on our Renfare show. That's 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.960 when Native people in North America began domesticating turkeys around 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:09.920 eight hundred BC. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.159 Yeah, and I think I remember reading the findings about 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.680 this where we had found evidence of a type of 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.280 enclosure for uh for turkeys. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.080 Yeah, they it was a wild bird and then they 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.040 started domesticating at keeping it at their communities. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.600 Yeah, I mean that's similar to the story with chickens. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.200 I mean, chickens come from a bird known as the 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:40.080 jungle fowl, and they are now sort of our big, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.200 juicy chickens. But yeah, the original sort of jungle fowl 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.360 were leaner. They're like, I mean, they still exist, but 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.760 they're leaner. They're not really they're they're you know, more 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.840 of a game, gamey sort of bird. But then we 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:58.160 domesticated them and then yeah, made them, made them all plump. Yeah, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.480 the turkey and jungle flower a sort of some learned that, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.760 Like they're very colorful in the wild, and they have 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:08.000 all sorts of like browns and you know, yellows and golds, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.880 and jungle fowl even have like some greens as well. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.880 But then, like when we domesticated both of them, I mean, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.400 probably not this early on, Like I would imagine that 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.120 in that the early domestication there, we didn't have turkeys 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.360 with white feathers running around. But now turkeys do have 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.720 white feathers, as do chickens, which makes it I think 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.800 the purpose of that is to make it easier to like, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.960 when we're cleaning the bird carcass, like then the there's 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.440 the feathers, like the white feathers are just less conspicuous. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.200 Yeah, that's all right on, Yeah, apparently that's part of it. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.600 With turkeys. There's also just some flattening out of the 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.280 different kinds of turkeys and how we've domesticated it. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:50.520 Yeah. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.360 Yeah, North North America is where turkeys come from. It's 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:58.960 the home of five subspecies of turkey scientific name Meliagris galipavo. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.520 And that connection to foul actually it leads us into 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:10.200 our first takeaway number one. The bird name Turkey comes 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.800 from the name of the country and fifteen hundred's world 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:14.800 trade confusion. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.560 Ah okay, that's really okay, all right. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.160 They are in English modern day they are named after 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.960 the country of Turkey in West Asia. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.080 That is very interesting because yeah, of course turkeys are 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.880 not from Turkey, they are from North America. They are 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:37.840 an indigenous species of bird here. So yeah, tell me 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.439 what happened there, Alex, because it sounds like someone messed 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:41.480 up big time. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.680 What's that Simpsons thing? Like, I hope someone got fired 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.520 for that. Blunder. I hope some won't get fired for 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:56.280 that blunder. Yeah, perfect, Yeah, Yeah. And there's a couple 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.880 of key sources here, the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, also 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.000 the National Geographic Field Guide to Birds of North America, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.679 and a book called one Hundred Birds and How They 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.480 Got Their Names that's by nonfiction writer Diana Wells. Because, yeah, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.560 the word Turkey entered English as a name for a country. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.800 It's a longtime name for the part of Asia Minor 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.080 that was part of the Ottoman Empire. Also, when that 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.640 area became a new country in nineteen twenty three, it 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.040 named itself Turkie, which is not how we tend to 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.240 say it in English, Turkia. It's spelled t u with 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:35.000 an umlaut rkiye Turkie. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.920 That's actually more similar to the Italian version of Turkia. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.199 Yeah, this bird name and what we often call the 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:43.640 country is very anglicized. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:44.439 Yeah. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.840 And also another number here is twenty twenty two, because 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.560 that's when the Turkish government made a formal request to 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.840 the United Nations that they and other countries call the 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.880 country Turkie rather than Turkey, like they're trying to shift 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.400 to their actual name for themselves. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.040 Yeah, that's I get that. But it's like, once we 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.280 start calling something our own little American name for it, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:10.920 that's that's pretty sticky. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:12.320 We're stubborn. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.280 Yeah, you know, it's now I'm thinking more about words 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.800 like with the It is interesting because in Italian, like 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.559 the term for like turkey the meat or the bird 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.640 is like takino. It's not turk. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.839 Cool. I don't know why that actually tracks with this. Yeah, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:35.600 because the name turkey is relatively English specific. In France, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:43.760 this bird is called dian doon, which yeah, like yeah, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.600 doorbell bird. But the first French name was cooktiins, meaning 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.440 cock from India, bird from India. And what generally happened 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.679 here is Europe in the fifteen hundreds, with the Colombian 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.000 exchange and with better sailing ships in world trade, they 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.600 start importing tasty birds and interesting birds from all over 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.560 the world. Yeah, they're like, let's get the fowl. Let's 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:06.880 do it. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.280 Yeah, it's I mean, you know, you see a bird 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:15.400 and you're like, look at that graceful, elegant creature of 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.320 the ground and the sky. I do want to eat it, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.320 and so okay, that's so then, yeah, we were at 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.600 the point where we're importing a bunch of tasty birds, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:32.120 and I'm assuming that a crate of turkeys from America 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.520 and a crate of some poor Turkish bird got like 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.520 their labels got switched. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.360 Or something exactly. They all got lumped together. Because, yeah, 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.160 you've got lots of species of fowl from East Africa, 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.920 in particular New Mida day as a taxonomic group of 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.000 African guinea fowl. There's other fowl from India, from the 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.320 South Pacific, and with a lot of that trade, the 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:01.400 key funneling point was Ottoman Turkey because it's this place 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.480 in this big Ottoman Empire that has existing trade relationships 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.360 in a bunch of ways with Europe, and so so 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.680 many of the fowl get funneled through there that people 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.560 in say France, just start calling all of it Indian fowl. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.400 People in England start calling all of it turkey fowl 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:17.280 or just turkeys. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.360 We kind of consider the modern trade of like things 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.000 just coming from all over the world, and the origins 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.000 of food and other imports being sometimes confusing, like not 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.400 knowing where they come from right as like a new thing. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.400 But I guess that's it's not all that new. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.880 Yeah, Yeah, we're like into it, but also messy with it. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.760 And they did that with not just these birds coming 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:46.200 through the country of Turkey, but also birds from the Americas, because, 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.760 like we said on the Renfare Show, it's plausible for 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.520 Elizabethan England to have turkey legs because as soon as 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.040 fifteen eleven, the Spanish Royal Court started requesting turkeys from 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.440 their new conquered colony and mecha Ago and they had 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.719 already heard of Turkey's when they requested them. Like these 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.720 were brought over very quickly by food fan Europeans. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.640 And how soon did Rye follow? Like did when was 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.320 turkey on? Rye introduced? 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:23.000 Well, look up a deliologist for this information. Yeah, so 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.760 the name of a turkey, Yes, it's probably one of 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.880 the two biggest cases of English speakers doing that. The 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.160 other one is the word corn. That was an old 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.720 English word for any grain in a generic sense, and 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.280 then we applied it to maze that they called Indian 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.640 corn and then just called corn. Right, So turkeys are 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.480 like that too. It's just a choice by English speakers 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:45.719 at the fifteen hundreds. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.440 I see, I see, it's you know, another thing, corn 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.800 and turkeys. I always see corn as a you know, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.439 this is strange to me. Corn is very associated with 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.520 like Thanksgiving and fall, but I only ever eat corn 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.600 in the summer. What's going on, Alex? 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.560 Yeah, it is a good summer food. I'm also kind 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.120 of a corn fiend. I eat it all the time. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.280 So you do, you're just like out in like you're 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:18.800 the going around to farms eating all the corn, grabbing chickens. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.160 People think it's chupacabra, but no, it's Alex cheepishmitty. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:29.080 Yeah. Uh and yeah, so that's why this North American 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:33.080 bird is named after Torqui sort of, Yeah, because we're dumb. Yeah, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.920 we're done, Yeah, and back some more numbers. The next 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:41.360 number is eleven thousand, five hundred feathers. This is eleven 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.000 five hundred feathers is the feather contents of one Native 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.360 American blanket that was found by anthropologists in twenty twenty. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.320 So, okay, explain to me how is because like, when 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.240 I think of a blanket, I don't necessarily think of 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.560 feathers unless it's like, is this like a blanket that's 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:04.200 been fit with feathers sort of like a like a duvet, 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.400 or is it woven out of feathers? 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.440 It's neither. It's that the feathers are sort of tied 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:16.040 together by woven plant fibers. Ooh, what's now the southwestern US. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:21.040 They used yucca plant fibers to weave together over eleven 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.360 thousand feathers into one blanket. And we think they harvested 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.320 that from at least nine adult male turkeys just for 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:28.120 the one blanket. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.360 Do we know, like what the purpose of this blanket was. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.960 Was it like a cozy blanket for cuddling under, or 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:39.600 was this more of an artistic piece for say, something 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:40.200 more formal. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:45.080 It's sort of everything. Apparently Pueblo people's in what's now 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.120 the southwestern US, they pretty much made a blanket for 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:54.120 each member of the community. According to Shannon Tushingham of 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.440 Washington State University, quote, it is likely that every member 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.200 of an ancestral Pueblo community, from infants to it else, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.080 possessed one of these blankets. End quote. That's so cool. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.320 You're a human being, you get one of these, you 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.520 care about you? You know. It was very fundamental. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.880 I want to live in a society where from the 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.120 day you're born you are guaranteed an awesome blanket. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.560 Yeah, it was like very big and crucial for them 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.080 and hope people's donny people. They also made turkey feather 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.640 blankets and there's also people still weaving those today. According 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:35.400 to New Mexico Wildlife magazine, archaeologist Mary Weaki produced new 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.800 samples in twenty eighteen for a museum, and she's of 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.160 Comanche and Santa Clara descent. She said she was inspired 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.960 by her ancestors and their creativity and their patients to 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:50.280 do this. So it's a long running art practice, sort 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:55.080 of textile practice, and it brings up something really surprising 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.120 about turkey domestication because it turns out that for many 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:04.000 centuries of North American people mainly domesticated turkeys to like 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.879 harvest the feathers and without necessarily killing the birds. Oh 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.280 whow Really it was not a food thing initially. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.040 And so they're also harvesting the feathers as the birds 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.880 are molting them. They're not killing them for the feathers exactly. Yeah. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.280 They either molt them naturally or they would remove a 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.600 few feathers in a way that let the birds still 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.760 be alive. So it's almost sort of like what I 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.240 think of with fiber art stuff with lamas and sheets 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.159 and things like raising them for what they generate on 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:34.879 their outsides. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.159 I'm looking at a picture of one of these turkey 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.520 feather blankets and it is so like it is way 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.360 fluffier than I was anticipating. It looks really really fluffy, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.919 and it looks very comfortable, like it would be super 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.080 soft and super fluffy. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.320 It's also really pretty. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.120 It's like it looks very cozy and comfortable but also 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:57.880 really beautiful. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.160 And so that was a huge surprised me about the 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.320 history of turkey domestication, and Smithsonian says that we think 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:10.000 Pueblo people only began eating their turkeys around the eleven 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.840 hundred's AD, so well more than a thousand years after 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.600 they started domesticating them. It was probably just population growth 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.720 and a lack of other game was why they started 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:20.959 eating some of them. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.520 I see. Interesting, So they didn't they maybe didn't need 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.280 them as a food source before then, but then you 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.560 got enough mouths to feed and there wasn't enough like 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.160 other game animals, and then you start eating them. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.119 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And yeah, apparently there's also finds 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.359 that Mayan sites in Central America where it seems like 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.480 turkey meat was only used rarely in religious and cultural 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.840 ceremonies until pretty late in Mayan history, and so like 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.240 when Europeans were eating turkeys, they were imitating how Native 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.160 people used them. But it was a very recent Native practice. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.800 It was only a few centuries before the Columbian Exchange. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.280 I mean, I get that if you have other choices, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.080 turkey can be a little dry. I know you like it, Alex, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.400 but let's admit turkey can be a little dry. Can 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:08.080 be a little dry. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.480 Yeah, people tell me this, and they're right, and I 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.240 love it anyway. It's my foolish palette because yeah, but 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.359 also I love it. 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.840 I guess some people like dry sandwiches. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.080 And also, you know, native people are not a monolith. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.080 They're probably some Native people who ate turkeys earlier than this, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.800 and then people hunt turkeys to this day, the wildlins. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.320 And one amazing modern number about that is the year 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.400 twenty twenty three. 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:41.320 That was you know, I'm going to say one year ago. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.680 That's true for a while. And in twenty twenty three, 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.919 residents of Carmel, California bestowed the name Cupid on a 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:58.200 local wild turkey. And they did that because some hunter 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:03.119 put an arrow through this turkey. Oh Man, and it 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.840 just continued walking around and hanging out. No, and was alive. Still. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:12.639 I hate this. I don't like this. Yeah, I'm not 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:17.639 anti hunting, but I'm very much pro finishing what you started. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.560 Because wow, it's very incompetent hunting. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.760 Yo. That looks not fun for this turkey. I mean, 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.359 this turkey is carrying it well in a way that 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:32.280 I would not personally, I think, be able to handle 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:36.000 if I had a whole arrow running directly through my 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.720 body right in and out. 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.600 So props to this turkey. Yeah, and like it's moving 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.480 well enough that, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, locals 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.040 were not able to catch Cupid to bring them in 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.200 for treatment because it's because Cuba is just like living. Yeah, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.919 at least in twenty twenty three. And yeah, the Guardian 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.520 says that it was a thirty and J row and 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.840 that locals named a Cupid because of cute Valentine's Day stuff. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.119 Yeah, adorable, it's really cute. And an animal has an 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.240 arrow just jutting out of its body. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.240 And the turkeys will probably be of excitement to game 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.560 hunters for a while because, according to National Geographic they're 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.520 the largest game bird in North America. They're significantly bigger 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.959 than grouse, ptarmigan's other mostly ground birds. And so you know, 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.520 if any game bird is going to survive an arrow, 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.080 it's probably a turkey. Yeah, and it's amazing if they 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.080 can do it. It's rare, but it happens once in 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:29.440 a while. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.400 We got to start, we got to start getting more 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:36.680 like wild ostriches and EMUs. So not only can they 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:40.639 survive an arrow, they can like actually shoot one back 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.879 at you. Increase the challenge difficulty level. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.240 Yeah, teach your ostrich archery. Yeah, folks, so many of 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.080 you just have an ostrich and you haven't taught them 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.560 many important sports or hunting combat. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.320 They've got the long legs, the long necks. Don't tell 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.439 me they can't like use their own necks as like 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.160 a sort of bowstring like in cartoons. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.919 I trust them. And the next amazing turkey number is 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.200 one point six miles, which is more than two point 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:12.080 five kilometers. 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.840 Watch walk one point six miles. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.320 It's not all that far. Oh, I don't care that much, 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.879 you know, Yeah, not that I do it yet, but 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:31.120 that distance, that's how far away a female turkey can 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.920 hear the gobble of a male turkey. One point six miles. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:40.399 Garble, garble, garbel, garbage, gobble, Google Google, boggabo Google Google 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:46.879 bug a goggle. Uh, that's great, that's that's that's actually 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.880 pretty distant, I think to hear a. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.480 Gobble, I really thought it's pretty soft. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.160 Yeah, but they're no, they're loud. 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.040 Yeah. And the thing is it is so loud because 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.480 males specifically make the gobble sound and it is for 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.160 mating and courting females. 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.200 Oh yeah, that's so when any of us. 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.680 Do a gobble impression, we are hitting on lady turkeys, 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.040 it is a it is. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.200 A come hither call for them them, ladies. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:11.280 Can you do? 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.800 Can you do a good turkey gobble, like a real one? 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.120