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Speaker 1: Fallout While This is News. Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 1: Cactepsi Can I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome back to extra

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Speaker 1: division of the podcast where we dive deep it's your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movie comics of pop culture. Company from our

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Speaker 1: podcast were three episodes week plus News It's News.

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Speaker 2: It's News. Today on News, we are catching up on

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Speaker 2: the biggest geek news of the week, including a smagas

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Speaker 2: board of new trailers and a deep dive Vulture article

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Speaker 2: about David Ellison, the future overlord of television as we

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Speaker 2: know it. And Yeah, let's get into it because it's

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Speaker 2: been a crazy week.

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Speaker 1: First up, trailers, we got three of really interesting trailers,

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Speaker 1: season four of Invincibles. Your thoughts, Rosie.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited about the Masters of the Universe trailer.

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Speaker 2: I will have more cool stuff to talk about Masters

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Speaker 2: thought they nailed the tone. Obviously, everyone knows big Riverdale fans,

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Speaker 2: Yeah looks great. More Shadow Lord looks great. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think it looks. I mean the animation style, first

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Speaker 2: Fun I'm praying this is Sinner's sweep, Jason, anything that

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Speaker 1: I think that this was It's been a great year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the time that we've ever had two in Best Picture.

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Speaker 2: Birds and Pray is amazing. Guys, go watch you right now.

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Speaker 1: And finally, in end of an era news preu Leath

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Speaker 2: I everyone knows I am somebody who loves to be

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Speaker 1: Next, Rosie's interview with Francis Turner from Fallout.

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Speaker 2: What has it been like for you? You know, you've

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Speaker 4: Very surreal, I bet, very very surreal, just to see

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Speaker 4: the way the fans of the game.

435
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Speaker 3: Have embraced the show.

436
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, get real enjoyment out of it,

437
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 4: the energy around it for them, and then for them

438
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 4: to embrace the original characters in the world of the show.

439
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that means everything.

440
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 4: And then audience, the audience, the people in the audience

441
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: who have never played the games rights come to the

442
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 4: show and embrace it and you know it for it

443
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 4: forces everybody involved in the show to really have a

444
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 4: commitment to specificity and truth and stakes and humanity and

445
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: all of those things that are operating at the same

446
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: time in the world of Fallout. So it's and just

447
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 4: on top of that, it's just really cool.

448
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: It's real. It is cool.

449
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Speaker 2: Like that's but I love that you touched on that

450
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: because I actually think the reason the show has been

451
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: so immensely successful is it does have bombastic, unbelievable action.

452
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: It's on Amazon Prime, it has a huge budget like,

453
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: it looks great, but those character moments and those emotional beats,

454
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: and the way that it has brought together in a

455
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: kind of monocultural TV moment that we don't really get

456
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Speaker 2: non gamers, gamers, people of all ages. We have mums

457
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: who watch it with their kids, who listen to the show.

458
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Speaker 2: You know, that is really special. Have you had the

459
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Speaker 2: chance yet to go to like a comic convention or

460
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Speaker 2: anything with the show.

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Speaker 3: I haven't, and that wouldn be very exciting. You know

462
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Speaker 3: it's gonna happened.

463
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I.

464
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Speaker 4: Will say I might feel a little like, uh now

465
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Speaker 4: that after episode six, and because I've done I've done

466
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Speaker 4: comic com before. I went to comic comic Man with

467
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Speaker 4: Man in the High Castle, and and it's so much

468
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 4: that that's it's so much fun, right, the commitment that

469
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: the love people have for their shows and their characters.

470
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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm just glad that there's more to

471
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Speaker 4: the story about Barb out there now because I like this.

472
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Speaker 3: Because the response to me the villa, the response to me.

473
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Speaker 4: Earlier, well, you know, I'm guessing would be a little

474
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Speaker 4: different than because I was very deliberate about not injecting

475
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: my kind of voice after season one and like not

476
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Speaker 4: narrating kind of how you should feel about Barb.

477
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Speaker 3: I really wanted that to land for people.

478
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Speaker 4: However it landed, But you know, I was quietly like, like.

479
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Speaker 2: The best the reason we do these early like I'm

480
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Speaker 2: lucky I've gotten to see the episode. It's amazing, is

481
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: so it can release and our listeners can have it

482
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Speaker 2: as soon as the episode is out and they've watched it.

483
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Speaker 2: But I also want to ask you, like, maybe you'll

484
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: have to come back. I want to know what it's

485
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: going to be like for everyone to go, oh, finally,

486
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: like okay, we yet, Bob, like cause you it definitely

487
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: happened put in like a villain, kind of a villainous cast.

488
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Speaker 2: And I was also like, what was that like for you,

489
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Speaker 2: as like a black woman, to take on a role

490
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Speaker 2: where you knew that you were going to be perceived

491
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Speaker 2: by a really passionate fandom as like a villainous character.

492
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Speaker 2: Was that something like nerve wracking? The fandoms have had

493
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Speaker 2: a lot of problems with that in the past.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Rosie, I didn't know that she was

495
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Speaker 4: gonna be perceived as a villain because I wasn't sting

496
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Speaker 4: you I was still learning.

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Speaker 3: I literally did not know. I did not know.

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Speaker 2: So how did it feel at the end? Was did

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Speaker 2: you feel like that feel? Was it? Was it love

500
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Speaker 2: racking or exciting? No?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was, you know, after I shot it and we

503
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 4: were done with season one, I was just really excited

504
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: because I said, oh, wow, this is this is going

505
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: to be fun because I didn't know the places they

506
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: were going to go, you know, I certainly didn't know

507
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 4: during the season. And then I said, well, where do

508
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 4: where do they take her after this? So that was

509
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: it was very exciting to me and gave me.

510
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Speaker 3: It's gave me.

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Speaker 4: The place to kind of live with my with my

512
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: art that I'm always looking for, right, like those spaces

513
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: of like where how the world sees you who you

514
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: are as as the character, the places that where the

515
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: character is where they want to be and how the

516
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: world sees you, right and how she moves in those

517
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: in those spaces. So that was very exciting to me

518
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: because I knew we're going to learn more. She's got

519
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 4: this kind of importance. We don't know what it is. Yeah,

520
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 4: although you know, I I know because I was there

521
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 4: and it was in the script, like I look up

522
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: at a shadowy figure. So there's somebody. There's somebody else.

523
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: There's somebody else. And there's also really a really great moment.

524
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Speaker 4: It's a small moment, but it'sn't a wide shot before

525
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 4: you know, when she takes over the meeting, they haven't

526
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: in a wide shot, and it's a split second, but

527
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: you see me, you see Barb kind of take a

528
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Speaker 4: deep breath and steal herself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she says this speech.

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Speaker 4: So there's always been little clues that there's something else

531
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Speaker 4: happening here, right, and the audience has to go through

532
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: the journey because again she's revealed kind of slowly, and

533
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Speaker 4: the same way in season one.

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Speaker 3: You think she's like.

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Speaker 4: The dude, you know, the fifties style mom and housewife

536
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: that you know, maybe has a little jobby job, you know,

537
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: but she's like, you know, she does it all. Yeah,

538
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: that slowly gets unfolded, that her role in the family

539
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: and the relationship and the marriage, in her business life.

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Speaker 3: But then there's still more to the.

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Speaker 4: Story after what we learn, and we're learning that through

542
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Speaker 4: the season, and then of course we're going to learn more.

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Speaker 3: This is not the end of it.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's not the end of that.

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Speaker 4: It's been interesting to watch people project to your point,

546
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: to project their their feelings, their perceptions, and you know, look,

547
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: I'm not in people's heads, so it's it's not on

548
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Speaker 4: me to say, like, would they think of Barb's journey

549
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: differently if you know, if if if the character didn't

550
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: look like me like that, you know that that's for

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Speaker 4: them to sit with. But we do know that, we do.

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Speaker 4: You know, you just have to have have a brain

553
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: cell to know that they're exactly something that factors into

554
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: just media generally, right. But yeah, but I hope that

555
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: as we learn more about Barb, we see we take

556
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 4: in her richness, her fullness or complexity. She cannot just

557
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: like any character in the show. She cannot be flattened

558
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Speaker 4: into one thing because she's not.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love that, And also that makes a

560
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: lot of sense something. I love the way that you

561
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: pointed out that the kind of way she unve unravels

562
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: like a mystery is really smart because this is a

563
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: show for people who love Easter eggs and love details

564
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: and love going back, and it's so clever that the

565
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: writing kind of echoes that, what is it like for

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Speaker 2: you as someone who's clearly like a very thoughtful, perceptive

567
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Speaker 2: and like thespian actor, you're coming out with this real

568
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: kind of character focus, interior mindset. What is it like

569
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Speaker 2: to then go onto those crazy sets and try and

570
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: bring that to life? Like balancing those two seems like

571
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: a really fun challenge.

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Speaker 4: I would say, first of all, we have our crew

573
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: amazing right, our production design led by Howard Cummings, hair

574
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: by Dennis Bailey, our costumes Dana Pink I mean makeup

575
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: Alisa Marsh Like, there is very little we have to

576
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Speaker 4: do to kind of like expand our imagination to get

577
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Speaker 4: in the space and in the world. You step for me,

578
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Speaker 4: I mean, I love Barb's wardrobe, So I step into

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Speaker 4: her costumes, her hair, her makeup, and then I step

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00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: on set and I'm there. I mean that New Vegas

581
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: set outside of A thirty eight going in. I don't

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00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: need this very little distance that my imagination has to travel,

583
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: so what I and that gives us as actors the

584
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: freedom and more space to just kind of be obsessed

585
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: with the truth, yeah, of the moment, humanity of the moment.

586
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: Because we're not we don't have to kind of spend

587
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: time thinking about or convincing ourselves that we're in the

588
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: place and in the world. And because we're there, right

589
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: you look around, you can touch it, you can.

590
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: See it, you can it's visceral. So it just.

591
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: Frees up more of our craft or energy towards our

592
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: craft to just be in the moment and be in

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Speaker 4: the truth of the moment. And I'm always focused on

594
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: Barb's humanity. With all any character I play, I'm always

595
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: focused on their complexity and their humanity and what's what's

596
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: kind of underneath it all.

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Speaker 2: M hm. And that's why you know, that's why you

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Speaker 2: Bob has stands and we will all wait for this episode. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I am seeing as you know, we do have some

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Speaker 2: more episodes. Talk about me and Jason gotta recap it.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you go, my love, and I'm so

602
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: grateful for you. Frances, come back and tell us how

603
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: it feels now that everyone is gonna be on Bob's side.

604
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: I believe it justice for Bob. Bob is innocent, so

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00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: we'll see. But I guess christ let's say, let's reasonable

606
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: doubt for Bob, reasonable doubt.

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00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: For Bob, reasonable doubt for Barb. We'll see.

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00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: She is a she is three dimensional, multi woman exactly,

609
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Speaker 4: She's a human being.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, my love, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: On the next week's episodes of X ray Vision, we're

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Speaker 1: covering episode two of nine of the Seven Kingdoms and

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Speaker 1: continuing our coverage of follow Us HEAs do. That's it

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Speaker 1: for news. Thanks for listening, Hie. X ray Vision is

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Speaker 1: hosted by Jason SEPs Young and Rosie Knight and is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuza.

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Speaker 2: Par Our producers are Common Laurent Dian Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.

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Speaker 2: Our disc called moderate, though