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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Buck is out on Friday, rolling into the Memorial Day weekend.

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Speaker 1: I am manning the unseeable ship of truth here and

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Speaker 1: we have got a lot of breaking news as the

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Speaker 1: continued fallout seventy two hours now since the shooting that

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Speaker 1: occurred in you of All Day, Texas. And we are

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Speaker 1: joined now by Jack Carr. And Jack has not been

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Speaker 1: able to hear the press conference which just happened and

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Speaker 1: we played in an hour one and we've been reacting

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Speaker 1: to it. But Jack is a former Navy Seal sniper

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Speaker 1: New York Times best selling offer author of In the Blood,

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Speaker 1: and Jack, I appreciate you joining us here, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna kind of give you a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the background. I've been writing down the timeline. Obviously, you

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Speaker 1: as a Navy seal have been trained in a lot

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Speaker 1: of very difficult hostage and active shooter type situations over

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Speaker 1: your your time. So what happened is the suspect, I

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Speaker 1: mean suspects probably being kind to him. At this point.

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Speaker 1: The killer enters the school at eleven thirty three. Police

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Speaker 1: enter within two minutes and exchange fire with him. This

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Speaker 1: guy locks himself into a classroom. There are many kids

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Speaker 1: inside of that classroom. By eleven thirty five, he has

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Speaker 1: locked himself into the classroom. There then are nine one

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Speaker 1: one calls that are received from kids inside of these

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Speaker 1: suspect is killed. That is seventy five minutes that they

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Speaker 1: allowed this guy, with living kids and maybe teachers inside

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Speaker 1: them there. This sounds like a complete failure by whoever

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Speaker 1: was in charge there. And I know, obviously you're not

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Speaker 1: an expert on this particular situation, but when you hear

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Speaker 1: armed killer seventy five minutes alone with kids that are

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Speaker 1: sense to you based on how you've been trained. It's

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Speaker 1: time even training, it's just a responsibility as citizens, as

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Speaker 1: the first time police officers should be thinking about this

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Speaker 1: is not when it happens. We have many years to

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Speaker 1: go back and look at and take lessons from from Columbine,

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Speaker 1: or you can go overseas and look at the best

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Speaker 1: Land school siege in September of two thousand and four

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Speaker 1: that was checking terrorists three days in a school in Russia.

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Speaker 1: Over three hundred people killed. So we see this time

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Speaker 1: situation in Nairobi, Kenya a couple of years ago where

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Speaker 1: a suicide bomber walked into the courtyard of a hotel

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Speaker 1: And there was an sas SO British Special Operator in

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Speaker 1: the area who heard the explosion, heard the gunfire, and

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Speaker 1: what did he do. He ran to the sound of

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Speaker 1: those terrorists down. I just had Melee Chapin on my

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Speaker 1: and she credits Christian Craighead, this sas operator with going

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Speaker 1: So juxtaposed that with what we've seen in this country,

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Speaker 1: and if the policy of these police departments is not

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Speaker 1: add fuel to the argument that we need to harden

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Speaker 1: these soft targets. If we couldn't look at what happened

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Speaker 1: We did it after September eleventh with TSA and airports,

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Speaker 1: unconscionable that we do that and unforgivable that, regardless of

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Speaker 1: It is our responsibility to protect our lives at those

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Speaker 1: and those are hard targets. And not only are they

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Speaker 1: last couple of days, it's just heartbreaking, Yeah, Jack, I

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Speaker 1: Before the gunmen went in an open door, the kids

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Speaker 1: But also it gives the police officers who were two

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Speaker 1: part of trying to prevent. As you started with us, Jack,

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Speaker 1: that's right, we have plenty of lessons we can look at.

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Speaker 1: We neglect to do that in this country for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: You are former Navy seal sniper New York Times bestselling

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Speaker 1: author of In the Blood. Over Memorial Day weekend, what

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Reacting to

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Luke. Thanks for your calling, Thanks for everything

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Speaker 1: this story. Um, but your story. You are one of

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Speaker 1: many veterans that are listening to this show right now

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Speaker 1: as we come into Memorial Day weekend? Uh, can you

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Speaker 1: tell us about the the injury that you had, your

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Speaker 1: recovery and what Memorial Day means to you for all

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Speaker 1: of our listeners out there. And I appreciate you ask,

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Speaker 1: and so quite simply, my story is not all that

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Speaker 1: amazing or different, and there are thousands of us out there,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of what makes it special that we

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Speaker 1: have a fighting force of will over a millions and

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Speaker 1: among them a lot of guys and gals who have

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Speaker 1: suffered and sacrifice because they love this country so much.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's quite simple. Was an eel DTech or

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Speaker 1: a bomb tech in the Marine Corps. So my job

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Speaker 1: was to help eliminate explosive hazards and those come in

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Speaker 1: all shapes and forms, although most people think one was

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Speaker 1: what we call a roadside bomb, where if you've read

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Speaker 1: a few books, maybe an iued a homemade bomb, and

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Speaker 1: so that was the primary objective of my job Circuit

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Speaker 1: two ten in Afghanistan in the Helmand region, which was

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Speaker 1: essentially where the poppies going, where we get a lot

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Speaker 1: of the world opium actually, and so that's what we

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Speaker 1: were doing. We were walking in a very agricultural area

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Speaker 1: of Afghanistan attempting to get the people there to abandon

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Speaker 1: the poppy harvest about the wheat harvest, and then doing

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Speaker 1: so financially crippled the Taliban and take away their ability

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Speaker 1: to control an area as well. And so that was

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Speaker 1: our job. We did it pretty well for about five

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Speaker 1: and a half months. About five and a half months

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Speaker 1: into it, we took a town called Safar Bazaar, and

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Speaker 1: by take I mean we took control of a town

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Speaker 1: called to Far Bazaar. And we did that because the enemy,

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Speaker 1: the Taliban, was strategically using it to stockpile components that

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Speaker 1: they would then turn into iods, so kind of like

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Speaker 1: cut the river off up stream. And in order for

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Speaker 1: us to do that, because we tried to eliminate civilian casualty,

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Speaker 1: we let the entire town that we were coming. So

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Speaker 1: the enemy took all those stockpiled i AD components and

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Speaker 1: turned them into IDs and put them in the ground.

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Speaker 1: So we really rolled into a minefield. So for five

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Speaker 1: days a handful of us about sixty O D texts

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Speaker 1: rendered safe about fifty ad s. More than thirty of

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Speaker 1: them was my teammate. How long, And on the sixth

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Speaker 1: morning we had an opportunity to take a step further,

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Speaker 1: not just clearing IDs out of the streets, but starting

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Speaker 1: to clear the buildings as well. There's a method to

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Speaker 1: how we take a town. And when we started that

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Speaker 1: long story short, we ended up in this spot we

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Speaker 1: hadn't been before. Thought it was secure, it wasn't. And

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Speaker 1: I stepped out the nine D that I didn't know

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Speaker 1: was there. So what that means is that it took

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Speaker 1: my legs off above the knee on both sides land

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Speaker 1: to be in a hospital and Marshal Germany look up

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Speaker 1: two days later, just be August tenth or at August eighth,

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Speaker 1: two thy ten, and I didn't have legs anymore. Most important,

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Speaker 1: I was asking about my teammate that was with me,

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Speaker 1: or my buddy that was with me, and unfortunately he

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Speaker 1: didn't make it. And uh, and so that's kind of

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Speaker 1: well that sus the trajectory for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: And so you what you learned is that you have

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Speaker 1: to go and live well for those that didn't make

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Speaker 1: it out it to him to live my life to

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Speaker 1: the fullest because he's not here to and to honor

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Speaker 1: him that way and sets the message I try to

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Speaker 1: send on Memorial Day, not just to the veterans that

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Speaker 1: come back that lost mothers and sisters overseas, but more

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Speaker 1: importantly to the families that lost the loved one, is

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Speaker 1: we can memorialize them by living our life well by

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Speaker 1: smiling a little bit more and dedicated those smiles to

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Speaker 1: him and not just fill the sadness that stays with us,

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Speaker 1: but has its place, and its place is not always

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Speaker 1: front of mine. Sometimes we can smile and enjoy. And

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Speaker 1: that's where it ties into what Americans do them in

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Speaker 1: World Day, which is barbecue and joy Day at the lake.

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Speaker 1: Can celebrate that this country is so amazing that in

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Speaker 1: today's world, people volunteer through is still life to keep

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Speaker 1: it that way. That is so well said. Look forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing me again sometime soon, man, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for your service, and I hope you and your family

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Speaker 1: have a phenomenal Memorial Day weekend. Same to you. Keep

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Speaker 1: up the good work and enjoy listening to you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's Joey Jones. He does fantastic work

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Speaker 1: so many different places. Encourage you to watch him on

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Speaker 1: Fox News, where I see him all the time. He's

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Speaker 1: doing incredible work there. And obviously he's done incredible work

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Speaker 1: for the country already. And I know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of you out there who are veterans or serving right

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Speaker 1: now that certainly connect with that story that he just

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Speaker 1: told about his experiences in Afghanistan and the loss of

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Speaker 1: life of his buddy's partner. We'll come back close out

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Speaker 1: the second hour of the show. We're going to be

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Speaker 1: joined by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, by the way, at

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Speaker 1: old World War Two veteran that I think you guys

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Speaker 1: discuss the fallout, however, of what happened in Texas As.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: every single minute of the program. Jack car with us

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Speaker 1: to start off this hour. You hearn from Joey Jones.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking with Florida Governor Ron de Santis.

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Speaker 1: Although that is taped, I should mention that for you,

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Speaker 1: so it's not going to be focused on the most

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Speaker 1: days ago. So just FYI, this story we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: with Nick Leo at two thirty. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: most devastating part of a really devastating press conference that

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Speaker 1: we began the show today with from Yuval Day. It

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Speaker 1: was Stephen McCraw, who's the Texas Department of Public Safety director.

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Speaker 1: This is him speaking about nine one one calls that

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Speaker 1: were received from people inside of those classrooms while police

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Speaker 1: were waiting outside to breach the doors. The failure to

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Speaker 1: breach the doors has now been described as the wrong decision.

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Speaker 1: I'll update you on all that to start the third hour,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't already heard it. But this is chilling.

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Speaker 1: They're not playing the actual nine one one calls, but

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Speaker 1: this is a recitation of the calls that were received

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Speaker 1: by police from those inside the classrooms where this killer was.

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Speaker 1: How exactly that was going on, who exactly was calling,

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Speaker 1: how that was occurring. These are all details we don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I just want you to hear this recitation, which

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Speaker 1: makes it all the more staggering that police didn't go

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Speaker 1: in immediately. Listen to this color identified I'll not say

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Speaker 1: her name, but she was in room one twelve called

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Speaker 1: one one one to twelve O three. The direction of

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Speaker 1: the call was one minute twenty three seconds. She identified herself,

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Speaker 1: whispered she's in room one twelve. At twelve ten, she

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Speaker 1: called back in room twelve advisor multiple or dead fill

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Speaker 1: thirteen again. She called on the phone again. At twelve sixteen.

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Speaker 1: She's called back and said there's eight to nine students alive.

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Speaker 1: Twelve nineteen nine, one one call was made and another

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Speaker 1: person in room one eleven calls. She hung up when

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Speaker 1: another student told her to hang up. At twelve twenty one,

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Speaker 1: you could hear or the nine one one call for

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Speaker 1: three shots were fired at twelve thirty six nine one

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Speaker 1: one call. It lasted for twenty one seconds. The initial

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Speaker 1: caller called back, student child called back, It was told

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Speaker 1: to stay on the line and be very quiet. She

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Speaker 1: told nine to one that he shot the door at

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Speaker 1: aprodactly twelve forty three and twelve forty seven. She asked

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Speaker 1: nine one one to police, and the police. Now, I

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Speaker 1: just for those of you out there listening now, I

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Speaker 1: would imagine that at some point these nine one one

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Speaker 1: calls are going to get out, and I hope that

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Speaker 1: everyone who made these nine one one calls is still alive.

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Speaker 1: But for those of you out there listening, these are

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Speaker 1: the two rooms where the killer is sitting with his gun,

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Speaker 1: Room one twelve and Room one eleven in these schools.

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Speaker 1: They're getting calls from both of them. One of those

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Speaker 1: kids said, please send the police now. She said that

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Speaker 1: at twelve forty seven, guys, at that point in time,

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Speaker 1: that kid had already been in a locked room with

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Speaker 1: this killer for an hour and twelve minutes. Won't you

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Speaker 1: think about that for a minute. I want you to

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Speaker 1: think about those kids and those teachers that were in

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Speaker 1: there with a madman with a gun where he had

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Speaker 1: been slaughtering these innocent kids. And at twelve forty seven,

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Speaker 1: an hour and twelve minutes into this, one of these

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Speaker 1: little kids said, please send the police. Now, where the

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Speaker 1: hell were the police. At twelve sixteen, one of these

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Speaker 1: calls said there were eight to nine students who were

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Speaker 1: still alive. Where were the police. They confronted this guy

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Speaker 1: two minutes after he entered the school, and then they

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Speaker 1: fell back and they let him lock the door, and

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Speaker 1: they let him sit in there with those kids, potentially

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Speaker 1: killing more of them for seventy five minutes. Twelve o

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Speaker 1: three nine one one call, twelve ten nine one one call,

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Speaker 1: twelve thirteen nine one one call, twelve sixteen nine one

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Speaker 1: one call. There are still eight to nine students alive.

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Speaker 1: We need you twelve nineteen other room. This is both

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Speaker 1: rooms Room one twelve and one eleven, twelve twenty one.

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Speaker 1: You hear three shots fired nine one one call at

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Speaker 1: twelve thirty six from a kid begging for help twelve

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Speaker 1: forty seven. Please send the police, now, what the hell

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Speaker 1: were they doing? People say, Oh, you can't criticize, Oh,

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Speaker 1: why in the world are you saying no, no. When

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Speaker 1: people make bad decisions in positions of power. Whoever the

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Speaker 1: commanding officer was here, he failed. He failed utterly, and

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Speaker 1: there should be consequences when you fail utterly at the

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Speaker 1: one job that matters the most, which is protecting the

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Speaker 1: lives of kids. And by the way, I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: there were a ton of police officers there who wanted

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Speaker 1: to go in. We know the Border patrol guys who

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Speaker 1: were a swat team that got there by twelve fifteen.

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Speaker 1: They didn't let them go in for thirty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: You heard the officers calling into this program and say,

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Speaker 1: if I can still move, I'm keeping going. I'd rather

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Speaker 1: have that madman shooting at me than shooting at those kids.

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Speaker 1: The police were in the school two minutes after him,

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Speaker 1: and then they allowed him to barricade himself in there

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Speaker 1: with those kids, despite all those nine one one calls

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Speaker 1: coming for seventy five minutes. I'm sorry. Failure, no matter

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Speaker 1: your profession, is unacceptable. We can't allow something like this

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Speaker 1: to ever happen again. In terms of the response. Now,

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Speaker 1: the shooter is the most responsible, this awful, murderous. There's

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Speaker 1: so many words I want to use that I can't

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Speaker 1: say on radio about him, but we rely on our

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Speaker 1: police and our responders to take these guys out, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't do it. They didn't protect these kids like

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Speaker 1: they could have. Now, there are a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that could be changed. We'll continue to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next Florida Governor Ron de Santis. Again, it's

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Speaker 1: to take the interview. Appreciate all of you hanging out

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Speaker 1: with us here on the Clay and buckshow Sleet Travis,

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the front lines