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Speaker 2: We have a great show for everyone today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do, as has been the case, a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into this morning. We're of course going to

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Speaker 1: give you all of the updates from the ground in

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Speaker 1: Gaza plans as Israel moves into what they're describing as

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Speaker 1: the second phase of the wars. That will bring you

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Speaker 1: everything that we know there. We also have a terrifying

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Speaker 1: Absolutely horrifying scenes, so we'll bring you everything that we

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Speaker 1: know about that. We've also got a big panic over

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Speaker 1: the way that young people are getting their news on

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Speaker 1: TikTok some interesting numbers there that we want to share

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Speaker 1: new Speaker may be thinking about potential Ukraine AID. Sounding

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Speaker 1: got some good news UAW winning another tentative agreement, this

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Speaker 1: some significant concessions from those auto companies. And also excited

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Leifong, who's been looking at the

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Speaker 3: I've been doing some great work. I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely been trying to get Lee on the show

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Speaker 1: for a while, so excited to have him in today.

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Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and start with the very latest

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Speaker 1: on the ground in Gaza. A lot of things to

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Speaker 1: Now we can see some of the rubble here and destruction.

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Speaker 1: This is a child being pulled out from underneath some

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Speaker 1: Horrifying scenes there. You also have here a rescue worker

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Speaker 1: this is going on multiple weeks now of a complete siege.

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Speaker 1: Very little in terms of food, water, medical aid, anything

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Speaker 2: It's full scoiled disaster going on. Doesn't sound on any

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Speaker 2: just the fourth day of a quote extended military operation.

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Speaker 2: It does seem when we brought broke down the tactics

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Speaker 3: There has been prior to that.

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Speaker 2: We talked about the cutoff of electricity, of water, but

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Speaker 5: Attention, citizens of Gaza, listen carefully. This is an urgent

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Speaker 5: This is a temporary measure. Moving back to northern Gaza

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Speaker 5: will be possible once the intense hostilities end. Ramas puts

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Speaker 2: So, of course, people in Gaza, I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: of the administration over restoring telecommunications access. But also, I

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Speaker 2: I'm curious what you thought was you will be allowed

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Speaker 2: They are trying to message to the Arab world, to

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Speaker 3: Now listen. Obviously we have no idea what things will

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Speaker 2: But I took it as a major note that this

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Speaker 3: It was obviously not about Gaza. It would have been

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Speaker 2: They are like, listening, Western world, here are our intentions,

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Speaker 1: Well to show you just how blatant and cynical this was.

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Speaker 1: Even the Pods save Bros. Were not impressed with this

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Speaker 1: English language messaging. I don't normally quote Tommy Veeder on

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Speaker 1: from that English language message for all of us from

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Speaker 1: This was clearly for us and for the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: At the same time, a very different language and rhetoric

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Speaker 1: about and Sager you were mentioning, they're trying to reassure oh,

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Speaker 1: what the plans actually look like. But let's take a

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Speaker 6: You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says

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Speaker 6: our Holy Bible. And we do remember, and we are fighting.

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Speaker 6: Our brave troops and combatants who are now in Gaza

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Speaker 6: or around Gaza and in all other regions in Israel

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Speaker 6: has started three thousand years ago, from Joshua Benon until

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Speaker 6: the heroes of a nineteen forty eight, the Six Day War,

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Speaker 6: the seventy three October War, and all other wars in

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Speaker 6: this country.

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Speaker 3: Our hero troops, they have.

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Speaker 6: One supreme main goal to completely defeat the murderous enemy

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Speaker 6: and to guarantee our existence in this country. We've always

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Speaker 6: said never again, never again is now.

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Speaker 1: So I'm learning more about the Bible in this kind.

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Speaker 3: I also ask a Hebrew or a Jewish friend of

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Speaker 1: Well, I asked Wikipedia to explain this to me. Here's

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Speaker 1: We certainly don't. We are getting more indications. We also

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Speaker 1: as he can any inquiry into the failures that led

437
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Speaker 1: to October seventh, including his own admitted bolstering of Hamas

438
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Speaker 1: over the years, because you know, while we sort of

439
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: never gave up on this fiction in the US that

440
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Speaker 1: there was some sort of peace process ongoing and that

441
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Speaker 1: we were building towards one day having a two state solution,

442
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Speaker 1: that has never been the policy of net Nya. I mean,

443
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Speaker 1: this is this is not me like reading the tea lease.

444
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Speaker 1: This is overtly what he says. He does not want

445
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Speaker 1: a two state solution, He does not want peace. He

446
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to manage the boil and keep

447
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: it at a low boil in terms of their occupation

448
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: and their blockade and that was the idea of like, okay, well,

449
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: bolster Hamas because they're the radicals. You know, everyone will

450
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Speaker 1: understand we can't possibly have a piece deal with them,

451
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Speaker 1: and you know, to try to minimize and undercut the

452
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Speaker 1: more moderate Palestinian authority. So you have that piece, You

453
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Speaker 1: have the fact that you know he is trying to

454
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Speaker 1: somewhat balance or at least give the US some sort

455
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Speaker 1: of cover as he watches protests rise not only here

456
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Speaker 1: but around the world. You also have his you know,

457
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Speaker 1: extremist parts of his coalition and a significant part of

458
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Speaker 1: Israeli society by the way. That is, of course, they're

459
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Speaker 1: all absolutely furious and there is this deep desire for vengeance.

460
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Speaker 1: So he has to show enough of a tough response

461
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Speaker 1: and you know, enough brutality to satisfy that piece. But

462
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Speaker 1: also you know, there's a real possibility that Israeli public

463
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Speaker 1: opinion turns against a ground invasion if you're taking signific

464
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Speaker 1: losses in terms of Israeli IDF forces, and you already

465
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Speaker 1: have seen a huge public opinion shift out of concern

466
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Speaker 1: for the hostages who are being held inside of Gaza.

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Speaker 1: You've had a huge drop in support for a full

468
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Speaker 1: on ground invasion. So those are some of the political

469
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Speaker 1: things that he is weigh and of course the lives

470
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Speaker 1: of millions of Palestinians hang in the balance with all

471
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Speaker 1: of this I just mentioned, you know, the rising protests

472
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Speaker 1: around the world, including there's a big march plan for

473
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Speaker 1: DC coming up this weekend. Well, there was a massive

474
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Speaker 1: rally in Turkey led by Erdawan. Let's go and put

475
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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. I mean some of these scenes.

476
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Speaker 1: Look at that they're waving Turkish flags and Palestinian flags.

477
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Speaker 1: Huge rally and Erdawan, who is an Islamist, trying to

478
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Speaker 1: to use the Palestinian cause in order to bolster his

479
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Speaker 1: own previously rather precarious political position. But he's using extremely

480
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Speaker 1: belicose rhetoric here. He says accurately that Israel is committing

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Speaker 1: war crimes, but he also directly floats a possible war

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Speaker 1: with Israel, something that this crowd seemed to be very

483
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Speaker 1: supportive of. He said, according to translations, quote, Israel has

484
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Speaker 1: been openly committing war crimes for twenty two days, but

485
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Speaker 1: the Western leaders cannot even call on Israel for a ceasefire,

486
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Speaker 1: let alone react to it. We will tell the whole

487
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Speaker 1: world that Israel is a war criminal. We are making

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Speaker 1: preparations for this. We will declare Israel a war criminal.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, there were some direct sort of

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Speaker 1: beating of the drums of possibly getting involved here. Turkey

491
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Speaker 1: has a very real, very sizable military, is obviously a

492
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Speaker 1: NATO ally, which is also significant here as well, and

493
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Speaker 1: Israel in response has withdrawn all of their diplematic personnel

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Speaker 1: from the country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the most important thing to understand about this

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Speaker 2: with Erdowan is that prior to Erdowan's regime, the government

498
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Speaker 2: in Turkey was much more secular. Airedowan of course awoke

499
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Speaker 2: a lot of the Islamist elements inside of Turkey, and

500
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Speaker 2: that is where his ruling coalition really comes from. So

501
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Speaker 2: to this is such an emotional issue and strikes at

502
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Speaker 2: the heart for a lot of Muslims all across the

503
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Speaker 2: Arab world. A lot of leaders have used that to

504
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Speaker 2: their advantage and used the Palestinians as ponds. But that's

505
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Speaker 2: like a second kind of piece of commentary there. In

506
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Speaker 2: terms of this, Turkey, as you mentioned, of course has

507
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Speaker 2: a very very world class military, but at the same

508
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Speaker 2: time they're a NATO ally. So to have the fracture

509
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Speaker 2: inside of NATO over an issue like this, and also

510
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Speaker 2: pressure from them on the West. It also raises the

511
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Speaker 2: question of whether they would use this issue as some

512
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Speaker 2: sort of croux or like a wedge in future NATO negotiations.

513
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Speaker 2: Airedwan certainly would not be above that He's done it

514
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Speaker 2: for his own domestic political purposes. So anyway, I'm looking

515
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Speaker 2: at that, and I just see that as one of

516
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Speaker 2: the most significant elements about the powers in the region.

517
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Speaker 2: The Egyptians, of course, are going to go, you know,

518
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Speaker 2: in whatever direction that CC wants. The Jordanians are basically

519
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Speaker 2: boxed in to go on the Palestinian side.

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Speaker 3: Much of the Arab world itself, they.

521
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Speaker 2: Don't necessarily want to deal with this, but they know

522
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Speaker 2: that their populations are very activated by it. Have the Turks,

523
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Speaker 2: you know, come out so forcefully, and to see all

524
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Speaker 2: those people out in the streets all across the country,

525
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Speaker 2: that's a very very significant development.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course, I mean the utter brutality of

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Speaker 1: the images that are coming out are only going to

528
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Speaker 1: inflame those tensions. And also, you know the language that

529
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Speaker 1: we played you before from Natan Yahoo like overtly flit

530
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Speaker 1: framing this as a sectarian religious conflict doesn't help, and

531
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Speaker 1: you know we're already seeing like mob violence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get to that, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned the what happened at the airport.

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Speaker 1: We're going to show you those images. There were also

535
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Speaker 1: far right Jewish extremists that were chanting death to Arabs

536
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Speaker 1: and surrounding a college dorm inside of Israel that was

537
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Speaker 1: housing some Arab students. I mean, when you frame things

538
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Speaker 1: as this religious holy word sectarian violence, you know, these

539
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: are the sorts of reactions that you get because then

540
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Speaker 1: you're not separating out. These are the combatants. This is

541
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Speaker 1: a political dispute, this is how we're going to handle it. No,

542
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Speaker 1: then anyone who is of that religion becomes your enemy.

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Speaker 1: So it is an absolute horror. As we've been discussing,

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Speaker 1: you know, I sort of get irritated. There's all these leaks,

545
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Speaker 1: the Washing Posts, New York Times, whatever about us is

546
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Speaker 1: so concerned by him in the scenes, and they're talking

547
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Speaker 1: to that Yahoo and they're trying to pressure them please

548
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Speaker 1: turn the Internet back on, et cetera. Again, not willing

549
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Speaker 1: to actually use any of the considerable power and leverage

550
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Speaker 1: that we have in the situation. But you know they're

551
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Speaker 1: going to ask some tough questions behind the scenes and

552
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Speaker 1: leak it to the press. Here was John Kirby getting

553
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Speaker 1: asked publicly, is the US setting any red lines for Israel?

554
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Speaker 1: And he gives an unequivocal note, take a listen.

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Speaker 7: You've said you'd.

556
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Speaker 8: Asked them tough quessure.

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Speaker 6: But has a US set or discussed any possible red lines? Nop.

558
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Speaker 1: So there you go, no, no red lines whatsoever. You know,

559
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Speaker 1: there's already, like with collective punishment, with the siege that's

560
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Speaker 1: in place on the two point two million civilians. You

561
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Speaker 1: cannot argue that there's not already collective punishment and international

562
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Speaker 1: law being violated here. So you know, they're saying publicly,

563
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Speaker 1: at least we're fine with this. And he also said

564
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Speaker 1: something very similar to reporters indicating that you know they

565
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Speaker 1: had not actually heart set any hard red lines for

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Speaker 1: Israel at this point. At the same time, we've got

567
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Speaker 1: a meeting from a high level Saudi official that happens

568
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Speaker 1: to coincide with this time here. Apparently this was already

569
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Speaker 1: previously planned, but still very noteworthy that this is happening. God,

570
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Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. So you've heard

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Speaker 1: of MBS. This is KBS Saudi Defense Minister Khalid Ben

572
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Speaker 1: Solomon is expected to visit DC today for talks with

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Speaker 1: senior Biden administration officials. This is according to Axios. Why

574
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Speaker 1: it matters The visit has long been scheduled, the sources said,

575
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Speaker 1: but it will take place just days after Israel expanded

576
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Speaker 1: its ground operation in Gaza and offensive ri Odd condemn

577
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Speaker 1: and on Saturday. Also comes as the US and Saudi

578
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: Arabia express concerns that the fighting between Israel and Himas

579
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Speaker 1: could widen into a regional war. He's expected to meet

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Speaker 1: with Jake Sullivan, Lloyd Austin, Tony Blincoln, and several senators.

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Speaker 2: According to this report, It's interesting I keep coming back

582
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Speaker 2: to this news item about how the Saudi government told

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Speaker 2: the propagandists. They're like, hey, They're like, we need to

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Speaker 2: chill on any issues out coming from Palestine. All these images,

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Speaker 2: all of the babies, the stuff that we're playing. A

586
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Speaker 2: lot of people inside Saudi Arabia. If they are getting it,

587
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Speaker 2: it's not at the encouragement of the government. And I

588
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: think what people again need to understand is the populations there.

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Speaker 2: You know, they don't have a lot of power, but

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Speaker 2: if they all coalesce around one thing and they decide

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Speaker 2: that government's not doing enough, then the Saudi royal family

592
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: is going to feel as if they are in trouble.

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Speaker 2: They don't care about the quote unquote Islamist. They struck

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Speaker 2: this deal. You can go and read about it, you know,

595
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Speaker 2: if you're interested. Back in the nineteen seventies, they let

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Speaker 2: the Islamist do whatever they want because they pay them.

597
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Speaker 3: But in exchange, you don't question it.

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Speaker 2: Whenever they get to party on yachts and drink champagne,

599
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Speaker 2: and that's the deal.

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Speaker 3: That's how it's been.

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Speaker 2: For a long time with this this type of stuff though,

602
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Speaker 2: anything with ethno religious tones, like specifically with the Palestinians,

603
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Speaker 2: that is a major threat to their regime because they're

604
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Speaker 2: gonna be viewed as weak by their own population and

605
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: they could possibly, you know, have some sort of Ilmus takeover.

606
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Speaker 2: So that is the main motivation for them. They don't

607
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Speaker 2: care about the Palestinians at all, but when they're coming here,

608
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Speaker 2: they're basically and this has been communicated you know, in

609
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Speaker 2: all the leaks that are happening behind the scenes. They're like,

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Speaker 2: if you guys do not put pressure on these Raelis,

611
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Speaker 2: we are going to be forced to do something. Now

612
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Speaker 2: we don't know what that's something it looks like. And

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Speaker 2: that's the main reason I think why we keep getting

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Speaker 2: all these leaks crystal like this one we could put

615
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. We basically it's like we

616
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Speaker 2: read this every day now. White House preps for broader

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Speaker 2: war as concerns rise. And again it's just like the Ukrainians.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, we wish they wouldn't use the missiles

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Speaker 2: in Russia.

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Speaker 3: But what can you do.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you could stop giving it to them,

622
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Speaker 2: and they're like, oh no, that would be too crazy.

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Speaker 2: They specifically cite the Saudi Defense minister coming on Monday.

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Speaker 2: They also cite all of these calls going on behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes between the Secretary of Defense and the Israeli

626
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Speaker 2: Defense Minister about the Israeli Intelligence services quote which they

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Speaker 2: say believe that Hezbolah will increase the intensity of its

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Speaker 2: attacks against Israel on its northern border because of the

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Speaker 2: Israeli ground operation inside of Gaza. Israeli officials think hezbola

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Speaker 2: will try to escalate without leading to an all out

631
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Speaker 2: war that could easily get out of control. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: just think about the gray line that that is it's like, oh, well,

633
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Speaker 2: we're going to escalate right up.

634
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Speaker 3: To the line. Well, who knows.

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Speaker 2: We've already seen multiple instances of failures. We've seen, you know,

636
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Speaker 2: Israeli bombs go off of target and kill a bunch

637
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Speaker 2: of civilians. We saw the Israelis accidentally fire at the Egyptians.

638
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: It only takes one you know, it takes one missile

639
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: to go one wrong way and kill the wrong person.

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Speaker 2: And now you're in a full blown war and you

641
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Speaker 2: don't even know what the hell happened before that even occurred.

642
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: So behind the scenes, it's very clear that the West

643
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: wing is freaking out. I mean, we brought you everybody

644
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Speaker 2: the news on Saturday about the White House was like, hey,

645
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Speaker 2: just call off the invasion.

646
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Speaker 3: They're like, don't do a full scale ground invasion.

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Speaker 2: Just do what we did in Iraq, like joint surgical operations,

648
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: special forces. But what you guys are about to do,

649
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Speaker 2: you know, we really don't want you to do it.

650
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Speaker 2: But then they did it anyway, or at least the

651
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Speaker 2: tanks are going in. You know, there's a lot of

652
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Speaker 2: negotiations going on behind the scenes, and every statement now

653
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: from the White House Crystal is basically like, you know,

654
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: we need to respect humanitarian law, we need to respect civilians.

655
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: And even it's not about even at this point, like,

656
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: of course they're not going to change anything in terms

657
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: of actual policy, but the fact that they keep saying

658
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: it over and over again is also just an indication

659
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: of how worried they are about spiraling of escalation.

660
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it should be Yeah, they're worried about that.

661
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: They're very worried about you know, public opinion here, which

662
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: is already shifting, and you know the view of younger

663
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: generations on this conflict is very different from older generations.

664
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: And guess what, young people are a critical part of

665
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: the democratic coalition. So I wish I could say like, oh,

666
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: they're really concerned about the babies on the incubators and

667
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: the kids being pulled out into the rubble, But let's

668
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: be honest, like the concern is political, and the concern

669
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: also has to do if they're not fools, they know

670
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: what war with a run would be and that it

671
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: would be an utter catastrophe and complete nightmare. So you know,

672
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: that's why we keep getting these reports. Again this is

673
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: more of the handwringing, like, oh, we're so worried about

674
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: what they're doing. But you know, we're not going to

675
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: draw any red lines or actually do anything. Have you

676
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: seen Sager? There's this video that came out that's been

677
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: confirmed of a net Yahoo from It was from many

678
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: years ago, like probably twenty years ago, when he thought

679
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: that the mics and the cameras were off, and he

680
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: gets asked about, you know, how to deal with the

681
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: Palestinian issue, and he's talking about how you go and

682
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: you hit them hard, and someone asked him like, well,

683
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: aren't you worried about them? What the Americans are?

684
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: Oh I've seen this, yeah, yeah, yeah.

685
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, well, I understand how Americans.

686
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: America is easy.

687
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: He's yeah, it's basically like they're very easy to persuade

688
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: and very easy to maneuver. So basically he's like, now

689
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: they give us cart launch and they're always going to

690
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: and you know what, he's been one hundred percent correct.

691
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Just to show you how serious this is and it's

692
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: not just leaks to axios. Take a look at the

693
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: military assets which you're moving. Put this up on the screen.

694
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: We've got this graphic here twenty four hours of US

695
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: and Allied transport aircraft moving from the continental US to

696
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: the Eastern Mediterranean scentcom including both US and the UK transports.

697
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: So you can see a lot of activity here. And

698
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: this person says as far from a complete list does

699
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: not include tankers or other types of aircraft. So we

700
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: already knew about the carrier groups that had moved to

701
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: the region. This also shows you some of the air

702
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: assets that have moved to the region. Now, they would

703
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: probably say, oh, this is part of deterrence, we're trying

704
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: to avoid this wider conflict. But you know, there's also

705
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: this fine line between deterrence and provocation. And you know,

706
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: anytime you see this amount of military firepower moving to

707
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: one region, you have to ask what is this leading towards?

708
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: And you one thing that really from this particular Axios

709
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: report that we had up one line Zaga that really

710
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: stuck with me is they had an official who said

711
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: they continue to believe that diplomacy and Biden's experience can

712
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: still help prevent worst case scenarios. However, they think that

713
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: the most pessimistic outcome is the most likely outcome.

714
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: Oh, I absolutely I agree with that too.

715
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I like to think of things

716
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: in terms of systems, think about the American political system

717
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: as it is current, not as we wish, as it

718
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: is currently constructed. There is no scenario where Joe Biden

719
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: is going to do anything to constrain Israeli military operations

720
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: without freaking out the entire Democratic Republican establishment. He'd probably

721
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: be censured by his own party, and it would be

722
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, it would be interesting if he were to

723
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: do it, but he's.

724
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: Not going to do it. He doesn't have that kind

725
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: of courage.

726
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: He's only displayed it one time in his life with

727
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Afghanistan took such a beating He's probably never going to

728
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: do it again. And this is ten x more powerful

729
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: in terms of that lobby. Then think about the Israeli

730
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: political system. How can anyone in the Israeli political system

731
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: at this current moment, especially a guy named Bibe Nathaniel

732
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 2: who the day the military operation stops, he is going

733
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: to get destroyed for allowing this to happen and for

734
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: splitting the country apart where already the security apparatus and

735
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: everybody was allied against him. It's in his direct interest

736
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: to keep this thing going as long as possible. And

737
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: then let's think about Hamasa's political interest. They didn't launch

738
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: this attack because you know, they were afraid of retaliation.

739
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: They want They're like Bin Lauded.

740
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: They want Israel to come in and blow the shit

741
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: out of Gaza because that helps increase the war. They

742
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: want the war. The war is good for them. And

743
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: so all three systems each one. There is no exerting

744
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: pressure that can keep us away from that. And look,

745
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: the most pessimistic outcome is the most likely. It's he

746
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: should always and I wish it were different. We're gonna

747
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: sit here. We've given so many alternative viewpoints on this,

748
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: but like we cannot pretend that these viewpoints have any

749
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: power in Washington.

750
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 3: At the current moment.

751
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: The only good thing I guess you could say about

752
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: crisis is things move very very quickly. So two weeks

753
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: from that, who the hell knows what kind of world

754
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: that we are living in. And sometimes discourse is much

755
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: more relevant. But as things stand right now, I don't

756
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: see a single off ramp on this entire thing.

757
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: I really don't.

758
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is certainly what it looks like.

759
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: In just a sign that this conflict is having international implications.

760
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: There are horrific scenes coming out of Dagistan in Russia.

761
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play some of this video that

762
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: has come out. This is from an airport, as I said,

763
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: in Dagistan. It's actually in southern Dagistan where a full

764
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: fledged riot broke out after some leaked reports on telegram

765
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: informed the population that some passengers may be arriving at

766
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: the airport from Israel and so therefore might be Jewish.

767
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: A full fledged and I don't think you really.

768
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: Call it anything else, basically attempted pogrom broke out here.

769
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: You have an instance where one of the individuals was

770
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: pulled off of the plane and they're asking questions and

771
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: they're like, you have to wait here until we make

772
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: a decision. He's trying to tell these people, He's like,

773
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm not Jewish, I'm not from Israel.

774
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: I'm freaking Uzbek.

775
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: He's an Uzbekistani or was an Uzbek resident coming to Dagistan.

776
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: For those who don't understand Dagistan, we were trying to

777
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: talk about the way to contextualize it. Most Americans probably

778
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: first heard of it after the Boston bombing. Those two brothers,

779
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: the Zarnaya brothers, were both Dagistani. You might have heard

780
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: their citizens are very very good and the UFC, but

781
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: Dagistan is a very interesting place, and even in saying

782
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: it's Russia is like it kind of it's part of Russia,

783
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: but it's kind of one of those areas with a

784
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: very distinct ethnic history, long been part of the Russian Empire,

785
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: but heavily Islamic population, very very fundamentalist, especially in recent times.

786
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: They kind of have a daytant piece with the Moscow government,

787
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: but the governmental structure is very similar to like Chechhnia

788
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: where they have like armed warlords and all of that,

789
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: but they're allied with the Kremlin.

790
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: They get to do what they want.

791
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: Moscow only troubles them if they start embarrassing them or

792
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: doing terrorism, you know, like this. I'm sure you can

793
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: expect a full scale crackdown after this one. So currently

794
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: twenty people, including police officers, were injured. I mean, the

795
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: crazy part of it really is just that they completely

796
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: stormed the airport. Security authorities were totally overwhelmed almost immediately.

797
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: The Kremlin spokesperson said on Monday that this they blamed

798
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: quote outside interference for the riots. Crystal We have some

799
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: information on that and they socided though no evidence to that. However,

800
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: they are saying that this is quote Western attempts to

801
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: use the events in the Middle East to sow discord

802
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: in Russian society, but unfortunately it highlights one of the

803
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: ugliest things about the Russian Empire for historically, which is

804
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: it is the site of some of the worst pogroms

805
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: against Jews in all of history. If you meet Americans,

806
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: especially Jewish Americans whose roots go back to the nineteen hundreds,

807
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: nine out of ten times, including many good friends of mine,

808
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: their families were fleeing pograms in Poland and Ukraine and

809
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Dagistan all across this.

810
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: You know, Dagistan in particular, they used to.

811
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: Have a pretty thriving Jewish population, gone just completely driven out.

812
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: Israel actually has many Russians who came to Israel after

813
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: the fall of the Soviet Union just because they'd experienced

814
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: such horrific anti Semitism. So this is a very very

815
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: ugly thing that the world.

816
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: Is getting to view.

817
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, from someone like me and many

818
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: others like you read about these things, you know, the

819
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: pograma of nineteen oh six or whatever. But it's like

820
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: when you see something like this just break out, it's

821
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: a horrible reminder of what ethnic straight up ethnic violence

822
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: looks like and every time you do, it's just like

823
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: the most hideous and ugly thing. You know, imagine searching

824
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: passengers to see if they're Jewish, to try and kill them.

825
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: That's what they want. They wanted to lynch them.

826
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Speaker 1: It is I mean, there are no words for it.

827
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: It's really just unbelievable to watch that mob mentality take

828
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: hold and you know, searching through the airport and surrounding

829
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: the plane and searching the passengers for passport and this

830
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: was ongoing for hours, complete insanity. You're talking a little

831
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: bit about Dagistan. I was trying to also get some

832
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: context from our friend Yegor about this. I mean, basically,

833
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: the idea is like, this is a relatively poor region.

834
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: It's actually very beautiful on the Casmian Z, but relatively

835
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: poor and you know, poor in the context of Russia,

836
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: which is much poorer than in the context of the

837
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: United States, very religious and very conservative. So that's effectively

838
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, fundamentalists who are storming this plane and inciting

839
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: these mobs and this riot. It's also worth noting that

840
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: Dagistan was actually the only region in Russia that really

841
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: violently protested against conscription. To be involved in the Ukrainian War,

842
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: and because of that, there were all of these sort

843
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: of like information operations coming from the Ukrainian side to

844
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: try to sew that discontent and make the most of it.

845
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: And so when they're saying, oh, this was like Western influence,

846
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about. And I'll read to you

847
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: from the New York Times what they've been able to

848
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: suss out about the origin of these calls, Because a

849
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: mom doesn't just appear out of nowhere. They were following

850
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: directions and instructions and information about Hey, this plane from

851
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: Israel's landing here and here's what you should go and do.

852
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: So local authorities in Dagistan blamed extremist outlets administered by

853
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: Russian enemies for inciting the unrest. Some of the protests

854
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: were supported by a telegram channel linked to a former

855
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Russian lawmaker, Iliya Panamaryov, who had fled to Ukraine and

856
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: has become a staunchly anti Kremlin politician. He basically fled

857
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: because he was under in trouble for corruption, etc. So

858
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: goes to Ukraine has been helping out the Ukrainians with

859
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: these efforts to sow discontent within Russia. Plans to catch

860
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: the passengers of the incoming flight were shared on that

861
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: telegram channel associated with that dude, along with screenshots of

862
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: the flight schedule on Saturday and Sunday. Local religious figures

863
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: in the North Caucuses have condemned the clashes. But so

864
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: that's the connection that they're pointing to, is that the

865
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: guy who's an anti Kremlin dissident who works with the

866
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: Ukrainian government, it was a telegram channel affiliated with him

867
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: that basically like stoked and helped us spark this mob violence.

868
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: Wow inside Ukraine. Huh, what's that about? Interesting?

869
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: Just telling you what the New York Times is reporting.

870
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Don't blame us for reporting that, but you know, look,

871
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: it illustrates something which we were able to talk about

872
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: eventually for in a mainstream conversation. There is a lot

873
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: of Nazi affiliated anti Semitism inside of the former Soviet

874
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: Union and they find themselves I guess, temporary allies, which

875
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: straight up Islamic fundamentalists in places like Dagistan. And it's

876
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: so deeply disturbing, and it highlights the absolute worst of

877
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: Russian history of state sponsored pograms of Jewish residents. So

878
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people, a lot of Jews

879
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: were just absolutely shocked and I think really traumatized because

880
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: and I saw many people saying, you know, my great

881
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: great grandfather was killed in a pug ram in Ukraine

882
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: or in what was at the time the Russian Empire,

883
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: and this is you know, just gives me a flashback

884
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: to what that is like.

885
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: And I honestly cannot imagine.

886
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: I just think it is so horrifying to watch the

887
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: Russian authorities almost certainly going to crack that crackdown.

888
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: That is one thing we should talk about.

889
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Everyone was interpreting this to like, oh, if this was

890
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: an anti Ukraine protest or Ukraine war protests, they would

891
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: have immediately done something. I'm like, I am not reading

892
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: this as state sponsored, Like I'm reading this as the

893
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: Dagastani's got out of control and now they've embarrassed the

894
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: entire nation of Russia and they are about to have

895
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: the wrath of the Kremlin and Moscow brought down upon them. Yeah,

896
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: for humiliating them in the eyes of the world.

897
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't really see an interest that serves the Russian government.

898
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, maybe somebody can make the case for me,

899
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: but I don't see I know, the Russian interest that

900
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: they would have.

901
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: They are antismatic, I mean mostly the very Greek Orthodox

902
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: or the Russian Orthodox, and very Orthodox like in an

903
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: exclusionary Jews in Russia have never been fully accepted as

904
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: citizens despite their propaganda purposes. So it's one of those

905
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: where it's been simmering below the surface. But something like

906
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: this is very, very ugly, and we also wanted to highlight,

907
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, some other ethnic tension and violence, which again,

908
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: this really connects back to what we started our a

909
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: bloc with, which is unfortunately, the more that this is

910
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: framed as some sort of religious holy war, people in

911
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: those religions are going to basically heed that call into.

912
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: Treat much like it's a freaking religious holy war.

913
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: And to give an example, let's put this one up

914
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This was happening outside of Netanya

915
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: Natanya College, which is a dorm in Jerusalem that was

916
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: housing Arab students and some very hard right you know

917
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: Israeli citizens gathered outside and started chanting, you know, death

918
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: to Arabs and the protesters. They claim that the Arab

919
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: students had disrupted their prayers at a Hubbad synagogue by

920
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: hurling exit worshippers and playing loud Arab music. In the evening,

921
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: they decided that they were going to take retaliation and

922
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: say that they were going to gather around that the

923
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: authorities had to break up all of this, and you know,

924
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: allegations about eggs being thrown and all this. But you know,

925
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: this is the simmering hatred that has been now in

926
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: Jerusalem for quite some time, and then the war and

927
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: the backdrop of that is making things so much worse.

928
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I really feel despair. You know,

929
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: we've talked about last time around about the most pessimistic solution,

930
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: the most pessimic outcome is the most likely, and this

931
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: is a key part of that. It was one of

932
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: the worst periods of the Iraq War. Was not just

933
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: watching American soldiers, you know, die for basically nothing. It's

934
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: was really to watch the full scale outbreak of sectarian conflict,

935
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: of Sunnis and Shida's like killing each other in the

936
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: streets and some of the most savage and horrific waves possible.

937
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: And now you know, you're watching this and you can

938
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: only think, if this is really operation last months and

939
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: then whatever the how the political fallout on all that

940
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: is going to look like, how many more scenes are

941
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: we gonna we're going to see like this? You know,

942
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: people deserve to be safe wherever they are, and it's

943
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: just it's really horrible to watch.

944
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I was struck by what we interviewed. The host of

945
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: The Martyr made podcast, long podcast about the history of Zionism,

946
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: the history of this conflict. You know, very in depth,

947
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: very thoughtfully done, and I know a lot of you

948
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: all appreciate that interview that we did, as I did.

949
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: He wrote in response to what happened in Dagistan, this

950
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: is disgusting. It is also an example of why Israel

951
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: must find a way to make peace and resolve the

952
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: Palestinian conflict. Prior Israeli governments worked hard along with their

953
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Palestinian authority counterparts for peace. But Laku, that's net Nyahu's party,

954
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: has shown no more interest in peace than Hamas net

955
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Nyahu stated openly, he prefers to keep the conflict at

956
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: a low boil while settlers continue to occupy the West

957
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: Bank to make a two state solution impossible. This is

958
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: not to say, because I know some are already typing

959
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: this response, that Israel is to blame for incidents like this,

960
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: But incidents like that will never stop unless there is

961
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: a just peace with the Palestinians. The Israeli government has

962
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: an obligation not only to its own citizens, but to

963
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Jews around the world to stop pursuing a policy that

964
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: can only intensify hatred and conflict. There is no way

965
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: to fix this with bullets. And you know, I think

966
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: that is very carefully worded and true. I mean, these

967
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: sorts of horrors beget more horrors, and that's the unfortunate

968
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: reality of human nature of world history. I mean, how

969
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: many times we have to see this play out and

970
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza right now,

971
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, this is not going to make Israelis

972
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: or Jewish people around the world safer, if anything, and

973
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: not just if anything, very likely if not, you know,

974
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: totally one hundred percent reality. They are sowing the seeds

975
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: of more radicalism, They are creating more terrorists, and Yaho,

976
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: especially with his sectarian Holy War language, is making horrific

977
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: mob scenes like this much more likely to unfold around

978
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: the world. So this is the sort of stuff that

979
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: we're that they're playing with here, and I think, you know,

980
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: Daryl also did a great job of talking about the

981
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: fact that at its core, this isn't a religious comp

982
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: it's a conflict over land. It's a political conflict over land. However,

983
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: when you overlay it with religious justification, when you're talking

984
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: about where the people of the light and they're the

985
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: people of the darkness, the you know, direct quote from

986
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: Netanyahu of how he's framing this conflict, think of what

987
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: sort of things that justifies. And this is something we'll

988
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: talk to Lefong about today too. When you believe God

989
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: is on your side, when you believe your actions must

990
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: be righteous because they are coming out of your religious context,

991
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: and you know, when you have a lot of fundamentalists

992
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: on both sides of this, this is how these things

993
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: can spiral completely out of control. And so when I

994
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: see what happened at that airport, I think that is

995
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: the tiniest glimpse of where we could ultimately end up

996
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: with these things. Spirally.

997
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very important. And look know what he's saying.

998
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, they do this, and this is you know,

999
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: this is just no one's justifying anything.

1000
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: But we live in reality.

1001
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: We know that these types of things are only more

1002
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: likely to occur as the violence escalates, and you know

1003
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: that is a real uh that is really sobering as always,

1004
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: just to be reminded of what that looks like.

1005
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 3: And I think it's it's really unfortunate. I think it's.

1006
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: Horrible, and I really hope that we don't see any

1007
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: more of it, and yet stealing. I think we should

1008
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: all steal ourselves for the unfortunate reality that we'll probably

1009
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: see you.

1010
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, let's turn to We've talked a lot

1011
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: about the like information landscape, which is a really important

1012
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: part of this war, and all wars put this up

1013
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: on the screen. This was interesting for a variety of reasons. Okay,

1014
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: so this guy Jeff Morris Junior, who I'd never heard

1015
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: of before, but he's apparently like a tech executive former

1016
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: Tender exactly. You want to like, is there any other context?

1017
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, we're gonna say he's a he's a

1018
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: tech guy, used to work at Tender.

1019
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: That's how I know him.

1020
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: And he's very you know, israelly sympathetic here. So he

1021
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: started taking a look at the data on TikTok to

1022
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: see what was going on because he's observing like, oh,

1023
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: young people have very different view of this conflict than

1024
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: older generations, so they get their information, you know, largely

1025
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: on TikTok. What's going on here? So he says, I

1026
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: looked at the data, saw that Israel is losing the

1027
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: TikTok war by a long shot. As an example, the

1028
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: top hashtag is three billion views for Palestine versus two

1029
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: hundred million views for Israel. If you look at the

1030
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: other hashtags, it is clear Israel has a distribution issue. Now,

1031
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: I would personally say Israel has probably some other issues

1032
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: than just distribution. But it was interesting the concern here

1033
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: that what was really to blame for the generational divide

1034
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: was the TikTok algorithm and the concern that I mean

1035
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: listen for a long time, for many years, just lockstep

1036
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: support for Israel, no matter what they did, was the

1037
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: bipartisan standard in Washington. It was what you got out

1038
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: of every single American media outlet, certainly on cable news,

1039
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: et cetera. And so this is a bit of a

1040
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: panic around the fact that there are these other platforms

1041
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: and other ways that people are getting their information that

1042
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: don't line up with the way the ADL guy would say,

1043
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: like getting the story right as they see.

1044
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 2: I think it's a generational in the sense that people

1045
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: did not come up in the same not even in

1046
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: the same information area. But I think that the biggest

1047
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: reality is at our age, you have never really known

1048
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: a time of war. The most you know, the thing

1049
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: the day I remember earliest from my youth is nine

1050
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: to eleven. So basically, like crystal memory on forward is

1051
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: just war, war, war, war.

1052
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: War, war.

1053
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: And when you have that, you were going to come

1054
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: at things from a very very different perspective than a

1055
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: lot of people who for them, nine to eleven was

1056
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: something that came in the context of they remember the

1057
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: Great Peace and winning the Cold War and all this

1058
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 2: other things that are foundational to their memory of like

1059
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: America as is trying great power. They think of Israel

1060
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: probably much more in that context of the older times,

1061
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: and they may even think of it, you know, with

1062
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: the the Intafada and PLO and Arafat, and also just

1063
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: the way that you think about these things is very

1064
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: different as opposed to let's say someone you're my age,

1065
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: I mean Gaza and the Hamas situation going on for

1066
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: fifteen years. That's pretty much all I know. I don't

1067
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: really remember a time pre Hamas. Most people don't either,

1068
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: who are right, especially younger. If you're really younger, say

1069
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: you're twenty one nineteen, that's quite literally the vast majority

1070
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: of your lifetime, and it's especially highlighted. Let's put this

1071
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: on the screen, you know, the CNN poll. This is

1072
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: going really viral, but it does show you, at sixty

1073
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: five years old and above, Israel's military response is fully justified.

1074
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: They say eighty one percent, fifty to sixty four, fifty

1075
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: six percent, thirty five to forty nine, forty four percent,

1076
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: eighteen to thirty four is only twenty seven percent. And

1077
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: I really believe that that comes from a place of

1078
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: war wariness more than anything. I've seen a lot of

1079
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Speaker 2: people be like and you know, including and look, I

1080
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: don't know Jeff, well, you know, I talked to him

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Speaker 2: maybe once or twice. I'm assuming like this is someone

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00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: who supports Israel and then is like, well, what is

1083
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: happening here? I would just really urge everyone for look

1084
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: with the TikTok algorithm, and you guys know, I would

1085
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: ban TikTok if I could, but it's not for reasons

1086
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: like this. It's for much bigger, like national security reasons

1087
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: about America owning this company. What does everybody tell you

1088
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: about the TikTok algorithm, what is it best at? It

1089
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: serves you what you already want. It's not like it's

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: being created out of thin air, so that these people

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00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: are ingesting his content and are sharing it around and

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00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: are finding it compelling, which is very counter narrative, And

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00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: it's not because it's being forced in front of them. Now,

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00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: maybe if you can find out a case for why

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: that it is, I would absolutely be willing to, you know,

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00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: to learn and listen to it. But I suspect that

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00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: that's really not the case here. I just think, based

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: upon swimming in a very different media environment like our show,

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Speaker 2: and just you know, in general, like keeping my finger

1100
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Speaker 2: on the pulse, I think we're living in.

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Speaker 3: Two separate worlds.

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Speaker 2: There are people who are on like establishment Twitter and

1103
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: on a cable and who are reading the papers, and

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00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: then there.

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Speaker 3: Are people like us who are swimming in the Internet.

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Speaker 2: And if you're in the Internet, you have no choice

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00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: but to engage with a lot of facts and video

1108
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: and elements and all these other things that you would

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Speaker 2: never see if you were up there too.

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Speaker 1: That's very true. And it's also the case that I mean,

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00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: we see this with our show as well. If there

1112
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: is some perspective that is not being served by mainstream,

1113
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: guess what people go to use. People go to TikTok.

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00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: People go to Twitter to try to find war and find,

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00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, more viewpoints that reflect the way that they

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00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: are viewing the conflict. So there's certainly a generational divide here,

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00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: and then there's also divide in terms of people who

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00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, people who are basically pro Israel and they think,

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00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, Israel's completely justified, et cetera, et cetera. They

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Speaker 1: have all types of mainstream sources where they can go

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00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: to see that viewpoint reflected. If your viewpoint diverges from that,

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00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: you're more likely to be on TikTok. I also think,

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Speaker 1: you know, you talked about the war weariness. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a really important point, and when I didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: think of I also think, you know that the change

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00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: in media is definitely part of it. The fact that

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00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: you can even go anywhere and get those different views

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Speaker 1: didn't used to be the case, you know, a couple

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Speaker 1: of decades ago. You also have generations that have never

1130
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Speaker 1: really you know, we didn't grow up in the Cold War.

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00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: So this just like it's there on our side to

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00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: fight communism, and that's that they're the goodies, these are

1133
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: the baddies. Like that doesn't land for these generations the

1134
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: way that it does for you know, we have those

1135
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: numbers about eighty some percent of the oldest demographics, like, yes,

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00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, Israel is fully justified. You also have

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00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: with this generation in terms of this conflict specifically, there

1138
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: hasn't been a time in our adult lives when peace

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00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: was really on the table.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point too. We don't remember Oslo at all.

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Speaker 2: I've only read about.

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Speaker 1: Us exactly, So I mean, even me being significantly older

1143
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: than you, I mean that's distant. I was like a

1144
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: kid like sort of vaguely aware of what was going

1145
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: on and not really like viscerally engaged with it whatso

1146
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: app So you know, we have never really we don't

1147
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: have all this legacy of imagining that a two state

1148
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: solution is still on the table.

1149
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Speaker 3: Good point.

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Speaker 1: So I think that really changes the way we view

1151
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: this as well. And then something that we've talked about

1152
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: before and you've pointed out before too, sober is Thattan.

1153
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: Yahoo has also made this conflict much more explicitly partisan.

1154
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: By coming to DC, by giving the speech against Obama.

1155
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: This was in the context of the Iran nuclear deal.

1156
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: You know, by putting a sum on the scales. He

1157
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: tried smooth things over by saying yes, Biden won, etcetera,

1158
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: etceter and pissing off Trump. But you know, the reality

1159
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: is he made this conflict much more explicitly partisan. So

1160
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Speaker 1: you have a variety of reasons why. You know, if

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: you take your average eighty year old and you take

1162
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: your average twenty year old and you ask him about

1163
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: this conflict, you are going to get completely different views

1164
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: of what's going on. You know, the White House is

1165
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: apparently very concerned about the politics of how this is

1166
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: all going to work out for them. Put this up

1167
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: on the screen. They privately concede things have never been

1168
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: worse since the eighty year old took office. Biden's dual

1169
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: horror shows threatened his reelection campaign. This is another Axios report.

1170
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: Some of the things that they cite here is look

1171
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: in the polls, he's tied or trailing Trump nationally. In

1172
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 1: swing states. He gets crushed on his handleing of immigration, crime,

1173
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: and inflation. They have a quote from one Biden official

1174
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: who says it's not death by one issue, by half

1175
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: a dozen hitting it once the load bearing wall breaks.

1176
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: Many of Biden's own voters do not want him to run.

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00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: His popularity with his own supporters hit a new low

1178
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: in a poll this past week, and that seems to

1179
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: have been directly related to his approach to Israel's war

1180
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: on Gaza. You saw an eleven point drop among Democrats

1181
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: in their support for Biden, most of that coming from

1182
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: young demographics who are very unhappy with his just lockstep

1183
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: support for Israel and sending them whatever they want. You've

1184
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: got a quote here you say, the Middle East war

1185
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: gives the president a chance to protect stable leadership ahead

1186
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: of a general election, but the White House knows the

1187
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: war will likely widen. And so one last piece here

1188
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: in terms of showing the generational divide, You've got this.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of a weird question put

1190
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, but they asked what should

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00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: the US government say publicly in regards the Israel Hamas war.

1192
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: This was by generation, so silent and greatest jen eighty

1193
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: six percent say they should support Israel. You go down

1194
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: to millennial and gen Z, so not even just gen Z,

1195
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: but millennials and gen Z and it's less than half

1196
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: who say they should support Israel. So while Biden, you know,

1197
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: is satisfying one part of the Democratic base and certainly

1198
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly the DC establishment, you know, in terms of young people,

1199
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Speaker 1: this is really becoming a litmus test issue and certainly

1200
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: for Arab Americans who've also been a key part of

1201
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: the Democratic coalition for them as well, and you can

1202
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: already see them paying the price in the polls. Now.

1203
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: One of the things that they said, I think it

1204
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: was in this piece that was like, oh, they think

1205
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: they'll get over it by the time they action comes up.

1206
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Speaker 3: I actually, I do kind of think that's right.

1207
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: I think that with the specter of Trump and the

1208
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: fear around that that the boogeyman. Look, the boogeyman has

1209
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: always worked for Democrats.

1210
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: That's what they're betting on.

1211
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: That's what they're betting on.

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00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: I would never bet on that personally. You can ask

1213
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Speaker 3: Hillary help.

1214
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's like, I guess it depends on how

1215
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: this all you know is this does this end in

1216
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: a week or are we still seeing you know, babies

1217
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: being pulled down a rubble and their incubators being shut

1218
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: off as we had into election day, which is real,

1219
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, real possibility. So I think this represents a

1220
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: more consequential break young people had already there. It's easy

1221
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: to forget, but at the beginning of the Biden administration,

1222
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: young people were his most fervent supporters, his largest by

1223
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, by the approval rating, his largest supporters, most

1224
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: fervent supporters, et cetera. That quickly fell off a cliff. Dude,

1225
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: I think some of his you know, economic handling, and

1226
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: now this represents for a lot of people, it's very emotional,

1227
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: it's very visceral, and a real break in terms of

1228
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: how they're seeing Biden where it's no longer like I

1229
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of have affection for him, but you know, I

1230
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: don't love everything he's done. But whatever I was, not

1231
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: could have and vote Joe, especially when you've got other

1232
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: options on the ballot. So I think this is a

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Speaker 1: real problem for them, and they apparently aware of that

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01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: Certainly possible.

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: Let's move on talking about the American political system a

1237
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: lot here. The Speaker of the House. Now, it's interesting

1238
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: we brought you the news before Speaker Mike Johnson. Prior

1239
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: to becoming the speaker, he was somebody who did not

1240
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: vote for Ukraine AID. Since May of twenty twenty two,

1241
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: had a very different tone, said that we needed to

1242
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: fund our border. He seemed very skeptical of the Neocon establishment.

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: Well in his.

1244
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: Very first interview ever, things let's just say they changed

1245
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: pretty significantly in terms of how we started talking.

1246
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: Now.

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 8: We can't allow Vladimir Putin to prevail in Ukraine because

1249
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 8: I don't believe it would stop there, and it would

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 8: probably encourage and empower China to perhaps make a move

1251
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 8: on Taiwan. We have these concerns, We're not going to

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 8: abandon them. We want to be cooperative. We need to

1253
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 8: work together on this, but we owe it to the

1254
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 8: people to know what the plan is, where the money

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 8: is going to be spent, and we need some auditing

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Speaker 8: for the dollars that we've already sent over there. These

1257
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 8: are not tough questions, right. One thing that House Republicans

1258
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 8: are resolved on is that we must stand with our

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Speaker 8: most important ally in the Middle East, and that's Israel.

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Speaker 8: We will we certainly hope that it doesn't come to

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Speaker 8: boots on the ground. If it comes to that, and

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01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 8: we communicy this to the White House staff as well

1263
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 8: today that you know, we have the Article one power

1264
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 8: in the legislative branch of government, and they have Article two.

1265
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 8: They have very limited authority on what they can do

1266
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 8: to respond without coming to Congress to seek consent. I

1267
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 8: mean they tell us when we're in Israel, and you've

1268
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 8: been there, and they say, the reason that we're able

1269
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 8: to sustain ourselves and survive is because everyone knows that

1270
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 8: our big ally is America. We know that Iran is

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01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 8: directly tied to all this. These are Hamas and Hezbeal

1272
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 8: proxies of Iran, and they're tied in now with Russia

1273
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 8: and China. I mean, it is a new access of evil.

1274
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 8: That's how we see it, and so it has to

1275
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 8: be addressed.

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 9: State if Israel, with all the funding of terror and

1277
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 9: all these terror organizations, they within their right to fight

1278
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 9: back and course directly at Iran.

1279
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Speaker 8: Of course, that was the first, as you noted, the

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Speaker 8: first act of my speakership is that we passed that

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01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 8: resolution to articulate that and make it very clear where

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01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 8: we stand.

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01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: All right, So, as Michael Tracy summed it up, can't

1284
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: allow Putin to prevail in Ukraine, ties it to Taiwan,

1285
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: the most dishonest trick pulled by McConnell. Number two, boots

1286
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: on the ground may be required to stand with Israel.

1287
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: Number three supports Israel directly directly attacking Iran. Number four Russia,

1288
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: China and Iran are.

1289
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 3: The new axis of evil.

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01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so we are right back to where we started,

1291
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: arguably maybe even worse. However, there are at least some

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Speaker 2: signs of hope if you do oppose more aid to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: New Speaker Johnson has now said, because of really pressure

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Speaker 2: from within the Republican establishment that they want to split

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Speaker 2: up Israel and Ukraine aid, which is setting up a

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Speaker 2: showdown with Biden and the Senate. So remember in the Senate,

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Speaker 2: which is controlled by Chuck Schumer, Schumer is talking about

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Speaker 2: linking the two of Israel and of Ukraine. This was

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Speaker 2: presented from the Biden administration of a or seventy billion

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Speaker 2: some package ten billion for Israel, sixty billion for Ukraine

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Speaker 2: that is added within there. The Speaker of the House says, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not how we're going to participate. One of the

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Speaker 2: reasons why that's important is that in terms of procedure.

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Speaker 2: Remember this, the Senate cannot do anything where they have

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Speaker 2: to where they basically can't spend money without making sure

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Speaker 2: it's revenue neutral, Whereas the House can do whatever it wants.

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Speaker 3: It has the power of the purse.

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Speaker 2: So for the House, if they originate that position and

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Speaker 2: they send it up to the Senate, the Senate and

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Speaker 2: then Biden have to decide, well, okay, are we really

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Speaker 2: going to veto Israel aid?

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Speaker 3: You know, because it's not tied to you. There's no way.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: The other question though, is did Johnson strike a deal

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Speaker 2: where he will bring Ukraine Aid to the floor where

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Speaker 2: and give it an up or down vote? Because as

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Speaker 2: we have always talked about Crystal, all the Democrats support

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Speaker 2: Ukraine AID. Oh about half ish of Republicans in the

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Speaker 2: House support Ukraine AID, so they have an outright majority.

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Speaker 2: If it gets to the floor, the victory for the

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Speaker 2: side would be just preventing it from getting into the

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Speaker 2: floor in the first place. Where does Speaker Johnson fall

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Speaker 2: on that? I have no idea, but starting to get

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Speaker 2: some insight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if it's brought to the floor, it passes,

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Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. And so I don't know either

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Speaker 1: I never heard of the sky until like a week ago,

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Speaker 1: so I can't claim to have any like inside knowledge

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Speaker 1: into the way that he might operate. But the fact

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Speaker 1: that he immediately goes on Hannity and starts sounding just

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Speaker 1: like one hundred percent ne yo kon even using the

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Speaker 1: acts like dredging up that access of evil language, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it's not a good sign. And I will

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Speaker 1: also say that it's very possible. He feels like by

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Speaker 1: splitting the two Israel and Ukraine, splitting them apart, that's

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Speaker 1: like his attempt to sort of appease, right the anti

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Speaker 1: Ukraine peek part of his caucus. But you know, maintain

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Speaker 1: like whatever deal he might have struck with Democrats or

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Speaker 1: the White House or whatever. So I would guess that's

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Speaker 1: the direction that things go in.

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Speaker 3: But we'll see, we will see. I ask some people

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Speaker 3: who are in the know.

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Speaker 2: They said, it's not nearly as cut and dry as

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Speaker 2: maybe we might think. That's very much still a possibility,

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Speaker 2: but there is a lot of procedural effort to try

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Speaker 2: and to deny it. There is, Yes, there is a

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Speaker 2: majority of the Senate that does support a to Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: but there are enough voices out there that there.

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Speaker 3: Basically, it all comes down to this.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a death by a thousand cuts,

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01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: a ton of procedural warfare. Split it apart, make sure

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Speaker 2: it doesn't get to the vote. Even if it does pass,

1354
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Speaker 2: then hold it up. Make sure this doesn't happen at

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Speaker 2: the same time. And this is the biggest problem. This

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Speaker 2: is And you would think Israel is a number one priority, yes,

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01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: but they already know it's passed. Ukraine is a very

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Speaker 2: very close second. Like this is the clearest and dearest

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Speaker 2: thing to Mitch McConnell's aging heart. It's like the last

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Speaker 2: thing that he's like, I must get this through. And

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Speaker 2: in general I do not bet against that man whenever

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Speaker 2: he wants to get his things through the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Very true.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 1: There are some other interesting conflicts unfolding on the Republic's

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Speaker 1: line over the Israel issue. Another flare of between the

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Speaker 1: Faik and Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on, and I guess we have to peg

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Speaker 2: and start with the news, which it was funny we

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Speaker 2: were debating.

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Speaker 3: We're like, are we even going to cover this? Is breaking?

1373
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: We're like, now we'll just put it in the show,

1374
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: because let's be honest, we all knew it was going

1375
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: to happen anyways. Mike Pence, Mike Pence, the former Vice

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Speaker 2: president of the United States, is dropping out of the

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Speaker 2: twenty fourty four race.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a list.

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Speaker 9: I'm traveling across the country over the past six months.

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Speaker 9: I came here to say, it's become clear.

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Speaker 6: To me.

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Speaker 3: This is not my time.

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Speaker 9: So after much prayer and deliberation, I have decided to

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Speaker 9: suspend my campaign for president defective today.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm leaving this campaign, but let me promise.

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Speaker 9: You, I will never leave the fight for conservative values

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Speaker 9: and I will never stop fighting to elect principled Republican

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Speaker 9: leaders to every office.

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Speaker 3: In the land. So help me God. Wow. Okay, came

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Speaker 3: sooner than expected, but still happened. Now.

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Speaker 2: The reason why it happened, Crystal, is because what he

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Speaker 2: was slated to not make the third debate, and him

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Speaker 2: and his team correctly were like, look, former vice president

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Speaker 2: the United States not qualifying for a debate on the stage,

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Speaker 2: while somebody like vike Ramaswami is especially after all the

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Speaker 2: smack that we talked against all these people, we cannot

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Speaker 2: have that reputational damage and so they decided to drop out.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I fully support that.

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Speaker 2: That said, it is one of those where it's deeply

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Speaker 2: humorous just from the level of watching this man indulge

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01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: in his own personal egotism while running but at the

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Speaker 2: same time basically trying to run against any of the

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Speaker 2: tides of moderate progress that have made in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: When we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Populism, when we're talking about any questioning of the Ukraine

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01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: consensus of Neocon foreign policy, to the limited extent it

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Speaker 2: even exists, this man was the sworn enemy of that.

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Speaker 3: So I cannot help but rejoice it.

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Speaker 2: Also, though the same meeting, the Republican Jewish Coalition meeting

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, highlighted the two sides of where the

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Speaker 2: debate is here right now. You had vivike Ramaswami, who

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Speaker 2: has I don't even know how to describe him. He's

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01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 2: one of those people who at the first was really

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: sounding more of like a Tucker Carlson voice of like,

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Speaker 2: we need to avoid war with Iran, we need to

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Speaker 2: make sure that Israel does not escalate this to a

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Speaker 2: situation which endangers America. Then you have people like Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 2: who last I checked is now taking like an anti

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Speaker 2: racism angle to anti Semitism. She's like, if you are not,

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Speaker 2: She's like, she said, if you're anti Zionists, then you

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Speaker 2: are anti Semitic. And she said she would even pass

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Speaker 2: a law declaring that to an effect on should she

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Speaker 2: be present.

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Speaker 1: That's used to a lot of Jews who are anti Zionist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is like being That is like Ibrahem Kendy

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 2: Department of Anti Racism level stupid. Well, that was fully

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Speaker 2: on display here at the Republican Jewish Coalition meeting.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 10: Would love nothing more than for the IDF to put

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Speaker 10: the heads of the top one hundred hamas leaders on

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Speaker 10: stakes and line them up on the Israel Gaza border

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 10: as a sign that October seventh, twenty twenty three will

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Speaker 10: never happen again, and then to use all of those

1434
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Speaker 10: saved resources to build the border defenses of the future.

1435
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Speaker 10: But that is Israel's decision to make, not ours. That

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Speaker 10: is what David Ben Gurion would tell Israel to do.

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Speaker 10: That is what George Washington would tell the United States

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Speaker 10: to do.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 9: The steaks couldn't be higher, and given those steaks, we

1440
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 9: cannot have four years of chaos, vendettas and drama.

1441
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: We can't afford to.

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 3: Go down that road, not now.

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 9: Eight years ago, it was good to have a leader

1444
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 9: who broke things, but right now we need a leader

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01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 9: who also knows how to put things back together.

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: Well well, well there you can see about Nikki Haley

1447
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: voicing that and Vivek. I mean, he's trying his best

1448
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Speaker 2: because he got it on the chin, even basically saying

1449
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Speaker 2: what I think a lot of people are thinking about, Well,

1450
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Speaker 2: maybe we should watch out here.

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Speaker 3: We definitely don't want to go to war with Iran.

1452
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Speaker 2: He's changed his tune now to now He's like what now,

1453
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: He's like the most raw ra like cheering on Israel.

1454
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, they can do what they want

1455
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: to do, but that needs to be Israel's decision to

1456
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Speaker 2: make and they need to own the consequences.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I do think it is a smart rhetorical play.

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Speaker 2: I think it is the only one that you can

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: exist as a capital R Republican in the party at

1460
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: this point because the level of pushback to the very

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Speaker 2: basic rate of concerns, it's not possible right now in

1462
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Speaker 2: the Republican Party or even in Republican media. I mean

1463
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Speaker 2: the oh my goodness, I have never seen these people

1464
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Speaker 2: come out, you know, with their knives for anything more

1465
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Speaker 2: than they did for Vivac at that time, just being like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we should watch out a little bit here.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what's going to happen. That's too much for

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Speaker 3: most of these people listen.

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Speaker 1: And he had to know that it was going to

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Speaker 1: be provocative. Yeah, I would interest that he took. So

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Speaker 1: if you're going to take a provocative stance, like, be

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Speaker 1: ready to take the heat and defend it. But you

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: can see the rhetorical approach that he's taking here of

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Speaker 1: basically like, let me say the most bloodthirsty shit anyone's

1475
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Speaker 1: ever heard, and then use that as like a distraction

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: from my like and we should kind of stay out

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Speaker 1: of it maybe anyway back to the heads on the pikes,

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01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: am I right? Like clearly that's his approach now rather

1479
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Speaker 1: than really standing behind what he was articulating. And you

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Speaker 1: even saw Trump, remember Trump, who has this personal now

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: he's like mad at bb because Biebe said Biden won

1482
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: the election and so he's got this like personal grievance

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01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: thing now with Netanyahu, and so he made some critical

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Speaker 1: comments of him right after October seventh, which by the

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Speaker 1: way puts him in line with like literally ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of israelease. But here in the US there was this

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Speaker 1: whole friga, how dare you criticize Netanyaho? How could you

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Speaker 1: say anything about that about Netanyahu at this moment, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And so even he has like completely changed course,

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Speaker 1: which for Trump, you know, he's normally the guy, he's

1491
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: the bull in the china shop. He'll say the stuff

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Speaker 1: that you know, pisses everybody out off, and he'll just

1493
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Speaker 1: stand by it. But for him, even the pressure was

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: too intense and heat was too hot. And so in

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Speaker 1: terms of the Republican Party, like any sort of divergent

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Speaker 1: views they may have on Ukraine or you know, other

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Speaker 1: foreign policy approaches Afghanistan at times they've said certain things,

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Speaker 1: all of that is completely out the window when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Israel. Yeah, completely out the window. They are

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Speaker 1: completely lockstep. You know, there's so much belligerent talk with

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Speaker 1: regard to Iran. There was actually one Republican who did

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Speaker 1: vote against the Israel resolution that had that belligerent language

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Speaker 1: about Iran. That was Thomas Massey's like die in the

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Speaker 1: wool libertarian. But that's it. That's as much as you

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01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: get in terms of descent. So it does kind of

1506
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: expose that this idea that there was a different that

1507
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: there was a new direction towards paleo conservatism or a

1508
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: different approach under MAGA towards foreign policy. Maybe when it

1509
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: comes to Ukraine, maybe when it comes to a couple

1510
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: other issues, but when it comes to Israel, not even

1511
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1512
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to put it like every party

1513
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: has a coalitional interest, which exposes a lot, right, So

1514
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: like think like the Squad and we had Rocanna on

1515
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: the show.

1516
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 3: He supports Ukraine to the hill.

1517
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 2: Every single member of the Squad votes for Ukraine on Israel,

1518
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: they're allowed to dissent, you know, I would put it

1519
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 2: basically is.

1520
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: That wouldn't say they're really allowed, huh, because they face

1521
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of political summer Lee and Jamal Bowman could

1522
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 1: very easily lose their seats over their support for Palestine.

1523
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but they at least feel enough or let's say,

1524
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 2: they feel convicted enough.

1525
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 3: In order to speak. But they don't feel it Ukraine

1526
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: and it definitely didn't.

1527
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 2: So I would just say, like every party has its

1528
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: own thing, which is going to expose a lot of

1529
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: hypocrisy on this one. And yeah, Israel is definitely the

1530
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: absolute third rail whenever it comes to whatever it comes

1531
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: to the Republican polity.

1532
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all their cancel culture, censorship, etc. That also

1533
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: out the window. DeSantis now trying to ban any like

1534
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: pro Palestine group on college campuses in Florida. Chris Christy

1535
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: saying the same thing like, I'm for free speech, he said,

1536
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: but this isn't free speech.

1537
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 3: This is hate speech.

1538
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: That's like the worst of the dumbest, like hall monitors

1539
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 2: who used to exist in the previous Twitter regime.

1540
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 3: That's a whole other conversation.

1541
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: We can talk about that, Yes, indeed, but it just

1542
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: exposes there are like three people who are actually committed

1543
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: to free speech.

1544
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Let's go to the next part.

1545
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 2: Representative Dean Phillips launching a primary challenge to President Biden.

1546
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 2: So we now have another Democrat in the race here.

1547
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to what he

1548
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 2: has to say.

1549
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: Are you running for president?

1550
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 11: I am?

1551
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 4: I have to.

1552
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 11: I think President Biden has done a spectacular job for

1553
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 11: our country. But it's not about the past. This is

1554
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 11: an election about the future. I will not sit still.

1555
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 11: I will not be quiet in the face of numbers

1556
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 11: that are so clearly saying that we're going to be

1557
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 11: facing an emergency next November. I think the time is now,

1558
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 11: because I think four years from now it might be

1559
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 11: too late.

1560
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: We were saying before. It's a little reminiscent of the

1561
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: case that tyts jenke Yuger is making. He's basically saying,

1562
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: the guy. Don't think the guy can get elected. Sure

1563
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: he has done a good enough job, but this is

1564
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: at least something that someone should do. He's been teasing

1565
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 2: this now for a long time. Let's go ahead and

1566
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen the Washington Post.

1567
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 2: He said, quote, I am the long shot. Dean Phillips

1568
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: is embracing the undergodog role in a shaky debut against Biden.

1569
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, is that it's very smart because

1570
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: his very first thing he did is file to run

1571
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire, where the press is mostly the one

1572
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: that showed up. But one of the reasons why he

1573
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: might have a leg up over everyone else is Biden's

1574
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 2: not on the ballot in New Hampshire. So it's a

1575
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: pretty good media story to come in and to win

1576
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 2: New Hampshire.

1577
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 3: This was always the case.

1578
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: I always thought that RFK Junior had He's like, man,

1579
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: if you can just win New Hampshire, Kennedy wins New Hampshire.

1580
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: I mean, what a story, right, Like it's a headline

1581
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 2: that nobody can look away from. So Phillips very much

1582
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 2: now trying to fill like a centrist Lane Biden alternative.

1583
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: People in New Hampshire already pissed off at Joe Biden

1584
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 2: for skipping the state, for removing their first in the

1585
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: nation status whenever it comes to the primary.

1586
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

1587
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 2: I might see a case where mister Phillips does win

1588
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: the primary just from the sheer like lack or from

1589
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 2: sheer inertia, and then gets himself some headlines.

1590
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 3: Do I think he's gonna win?

1591
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 4: No?

1592
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 3: But the other problem for me is he waited way

1593
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 3: too long.

1594
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: Why are you announcing you know during Israel you're gonna

1595
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: get washed out? Like this main gunman story was that

1596
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 2: would have been the biggest story in the country if

1597
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: Israel had not been happening, But it basically went from hey,

1598
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 2: a bunch of people died to local story after the

1599
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 2: guy's found dead and by the way, of course, as

1600
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 2: with every time we found out he was known to

1601
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 2: law enforce when visited six weeks before.

1602
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 3: Getting ahead of myself.

1603
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 2: But my whole point is that the entire country be

1604
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: scrutinizing this thing to death. Yeah, well with Dean Phillips,

1605
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 2: he blew it. You know, in terms of the timing.

1606
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: Now that he waited really till Israel, he basically guaranteed

1607
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: doesn't mean the month's long, biggest story in the nation.

1608
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: And I mean rightfully so, because mistakes are existential.

1609
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Dean barely made it into our show today.

1610
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: We feel like we should cover it, I guess, But

1611
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure anyone really cares all that much.

1612
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: I tried to figure out where he is politically. You know,

1613
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 1: he's a he's a problem solvers caucus guy, frames himself

1614
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: as like a centrist or a moderate whatever. Whenever he

1615
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: critiques the Democratic Party, it's always from the right. But

1616
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: in terms of his voting record, he has voted with

1617
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: Biden one hundred percent of the time. Put this up

1618
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: on the screen. I mean, he's been a chief Biden booster.

1619
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: So here this is just from you know, a couple

1620
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: of days ago. President Biden issue now standing speech this evening,

1621
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,839
Speaker 1: making a strong case for why we want to support Ukraine,

1622
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: Israel and all who seeks self determination, security and peace.

1623
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: That's what America does. So you're not gonna hear like

1624
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: a single word of criticism of Joe Biden. It's just

1625
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: all about basically like he's old and he's gonna lose,

1626
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: and so let's do something else. Do I think it's

1627
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: gonna work. I mean, to be honest with you. For

1628
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the Democratic base, the majority of whom

1629
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,879
Speaker 1: still would like an alternative to Biden, that is their concern.

1630
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: They aren't like you know now, you have a lot

1631
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: of dissent among young voters with regard to his approach

1632
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: to Israel. Not to say there aren't policy issues in

1633
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: there as well, but the biggest concern is just his age.

1634
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: And I'm worried is gonna lose. We're gonna get Trump again.

1635
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: So I don't actually think it's that crazy of a

1636
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: strategy to be fawningly supportive of Biden and vote with

1637
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: him on literally everything and just be making a case

1638
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: about electability. But you know, you're Dean Phillips. No one's

1639
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: ever heard what before do people really think you're going

1640
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: to be the guy to beat Trump? Like, that's hard

1641
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: to believe. I do think the fact that he's a

1642
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: member of Congress, you know, he's got his like credentials,

1643
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: mainstream credentials for the media to pay more attention to

1644
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: him than they would pay to like Jank or that

1645
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: they did pay to marry Anne. So if it wasn't

1646
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: happening right now, when there's wildworld news coverage about the

1647
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, atrocities that are happening in Gaza right now,

1648
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: maybe he'd be able to build a little bit of

1649
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: a kernel of something. But don't see it.

1650
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're right. I think you're right too.

1651
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 2: I mean I honestly and something you and I have

1652
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 2: just kept our head on. But well, you know, we

1653
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: want to make sure people are getting our political coverage

1654
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: as well. Is the polls coming out for RFK Junior.

1655
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 2: This man is in the position that no man has

1656
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: been in since Ross Pro. I mean, it's like shocking,

1657
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: like when you're clocking twenty something percent and you're going

1658
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: to have that level of consternation. The interesting thing on

1659
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: Kennedy is if he wasn't as pro, if he tones

1660
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 2: down as pro Israel coverage where he has been in

1661
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 2: the past, and just really leans into being anti war,

1662
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: I could even scoop see him scooping up some of

1663
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 2: this young energy, you know that's surrounding Israel Palestine.

1664
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: So it's too late on that front.

1665
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: Well for the people who are on I'm talking about

1666
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: normal folks out there who had no idea what he

1667
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: said or whatever about Rabbi Schmooley and Israel and that

1668
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: stuff in the past. I'm saying, if he just talks

1669
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 2: about being anti war, which you can interpret anyway that

1670
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 2: you want, and just like the ad that.

1671
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 3: We played here previously where he's.

1672
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: Like, hey, you know, the American political system is bad,

1673
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: and my name is Bobby Kennedy and I have peace,

1674
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: Like that's a very potent message.

1675
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: I think it's very if he hadn't gone. I mean,

1676
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: what he has said about Israel was so unequivocal. Yes,

1677
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: that's true, and I think it's genuinely ideological for him.

1678
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he got pressed on this a lot and

1679
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: did not back away from his positions on it, and

1680
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: I think he lost, you know, a significant chunk of

1681
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: his like online based support definitely over this issue. Specifically.

1682
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: So I think you're right. If he had not gone

1683
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: in that direction he had a dissenting view with regard

1684
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: to Israel, I think there would have been an even

1685
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: larger pool for him to scoop up. I mean, you

1686
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: still have Cornell West down. There's a lot of questions

1687
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: at this point about his campaign and where he's even

1688
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot since he you know,

1689
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: went from People's Party, Green Party now he's running as

1690
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: an independent and his campaign manager just left, so a

1691
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: lot of questions about whether he'll even be on the ballot.

1692
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: But you know, that's another bail on option for people

1693
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: who are like disgusted with Biden on the issue of

1694
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: Israel Palestine and you know, want to register their protest

1695
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: over that. They may have that option with regard to

1696
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: Cornell West, or they may just stay home.

1697
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well that's always the biggest one. Yeah, just

1698
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 3: staying home is a huge I think I've done it before.

1699
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: Very possible. I think that's very possible. But Bobby Kennedy

1700
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: is continued. I mean, this is the story we're going

1701
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: to continue to take a look at, and I think

1702
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: has been wildly undercovered because yeah, if you have he's

1703
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. He's a Kennedy, so people

1704
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: may not know that much about him specifically, but he's

1705
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: a Kennedy, so he's got a huge name recognition. He

1706
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, may have the operation be able to get

1707
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,919
Speaker 1: himself on the ballot. He's taking He is sounding outside

1708
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: of put Israel Palestine aside. He is sounding these notes

1709
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: of just like I'm just disgusted. I'm disgusted with Biden,

1710
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm discussed with Trump, I'm disgusted with the Democrats, IM

1711
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: discussed with the Republicans, which is a very mainstream, widespread sentiment.

1712
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: So he could really be the determining factor in how

1713
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: this all ultimately goes down. So we're going to keep

1714
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: our eye on our show.

1715
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 3: All right.

1716
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: We got big news that actually just broke while we

1717
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: were doing the show about the UAW, which is they

1718
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: now have a tentative agreement with all three of the

1719
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Speaker 1: Big Three. The latest one that just broke this morning

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Speaker 1: is reading from Bloomberg here, General Motors Company GM reached

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Speaker 1: his head ative agreement with the UAW to end a

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Speaker 1: six week old strike with similar terms to the deal

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Speaker 1: signed by Ford Motor Company on October twenty fifth. That

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Speaker 1: deal reached on Monday includes a twenty five percent hourly

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Speaker 1: pay raise plus cost of living allowances over the more

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Speaker 1: than four year contract. According to the person who was

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Speaker 1: not authorized to speak publicly, so very few details here.

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Speaker 1: We don't have Sean Feine, the President of uaw's comments

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Speaker 1: on this or breaking down you know some of the

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Speaker 1: concessions they were able to gain, but it sounds like

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Speaker 1: it's along similar lines to what they were able to

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Speaker 1: achieve with Ford Motor Company. This comes on top of

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Speaker 1: very recent news that they were also able to reach

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Speaker 1: a deal with Stalantis. Let's take a listen to Sean

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Speaker 1: Fain explaining some of the highlights of that tentative agreement.

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Speaker 7: Today, we reached a tentative agreement with Stillanis. Today is

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Speaker 7: the forty fourth day of our stand up strike, forty

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Speaker 7: four days. We called it the stand up strike as

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Speaker 7: a tribute to the sit down strike which built our

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Speaker 7: great union almost ninety years ago. Over the forty four

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Speaker 7: days we were on strike, Stillanus more than doubled the

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Speaker 7: total value of the proposals they had on the table

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Speaker 7: at Stillanis. We not always secured a record contract. We

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Speaker 7: have begun to turn the tide on the war on

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Speaker 7: the American working class, and we truly are saving the

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Speaker 7: American dream.

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Speaker 1: So just to reiterate some of the details of this deal,

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Speaker 1: let's put this up on the screen. They've got some

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Speaker 1: of the high level concessions that they were able to achieve.

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Speaker 1: So twenty five percent wage increase in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: This is again with Stilantis, but tracks pretty closely with

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Speaker 1: Ford and the very basics that we know about this

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01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: new GM tentative deal. All wage increases from twenty one

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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two were twenty three percent, So in

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Speaker 1: a single year they're going to bigger wage hike then

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Speaker 1: they got over the course of two decades. That seems significant.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put the next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Current Stalantis temps get a one hundred and sixty eight

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Speaker 1: percent raise through twenty twenty three. This was a big

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Speaker 1: sticking point in terms of the treatment of those tempts.

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Speaker 1: And another thing that came out of this Stalantis deal

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Speaker 1: that was really significant to Soger is they actually secured

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Speaker 1: the reopening of a plant, which that never happens, a

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Speaker 1: thirteen hundred and fifty employee assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, but they're also going to add an

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Speaker 1: adjoining battery facility to that plant. So you know, again

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Speaker 1: this all has to go to the members for approval.

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Speaker 1: See what they think about it. I talked to, you know,

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Speaker 1: someone in Kentucky, they have a big truck plant there

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Speaker 1: for a forward to get a sense of like, how

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Speaker 1: are the members they're feeling about it, And so far,

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Speaker 1: at least, the feedback is they are delighted. They think

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Speaker 1: this was you know, this appears to be an extraordinary deal.

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Speaker 1: They're very excited about the gains that they were able

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Speaker 1: to make here, and I think really validates the strategy

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Speaker 1: that Sean Fain and the other leadership of the UAW

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Speaker 1: put in place here with the stand up strike in

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Speaker 1: order to secure these gains.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, the strike strategy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is a big Now, of course, look, the

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Speaker 2: union's got to ratify all this, so we'll see, you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll see how I mean, Look, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good deal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I'm not in the union, but I

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Speaker 2: mean I'm looking at it and I'm saying, listen, you

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01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: can make like a pretty decent middle class wage now

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Speaker 2: at the top, where we also get healthcare pension and

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Speaker 2: some benefits.

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Speaker 3: That's a great deal.

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Speaker 2: It's a one that a lot of people in this

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Speaker 2: country don't have, and if I were in that position,

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Speaker 2: I would be very very happy, especially considering you haven't

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Speaker 2: had a cost of living race since two thousand and

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01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: nine and now you have some of that baked in. Overall,

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Speaker 2: what I think it does validate is not only the

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Speaker 2: strike strategy, but also just the place that we are

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Speaker 2: in the labor market. So it was just reading about

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Speaker 2: how this is just really in line with how all

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Speaker 2: American workers are finding themselves in a position of bargaining power.

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Speaker 2: So right now, Americans currently have more time off than

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Speaker 2: at any time in modern history in terms of more

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Speaker 2: paid time off, with US private sector average weekly hours

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Speaker 2: that are peaking because employers quote are offering that time

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Speaker 2: in a stronger labor market, and employees are finding themselves

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Speaker 2: using it. They're finding themselves not ashamed to be taking

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Speaker 2: advantage in these cases of their paid benefits. So I

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Speaker 2: think that it fits very much in line with where

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Speaker 2: the rest of the country is and kind of a

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Speaker 2: new bargaining power that the worker has found themselves, And

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Speaker 2: so I expect it not only to have political support,

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Speaker 2: and I think most people when they found the details

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Speaker 2: of this, find it entirely reasonable, and that's pretty much

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Speaker 2: where we're going to end up.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why they.

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Speaker 2: Had to cave too, because even let's say they went

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Speaker 2: non union, for example, under the current deal, for what

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Speaker 2: I was reading the UAW, the big three are going

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Speaker 2: to have to pay like something like sixty something dollars

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Speaker 2: per hour according to their own internal figure. Well, Tesla's

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Speaker 2: paying fifty five and they're not even union, so you know,

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Speaker 2: to put it over like five dollars or whatever. Above

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Speaker 2: just shows like with bargaining power and all that they're

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Speaker 2: putting themselves and locking them in place for years to

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Speaker 2: come to make sure that they don't get wiped out

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Speaker 2: as they did in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure there's a lot of tests the

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Speaker 1: workers who are looking at these deals.

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Speaker 3: Definitely what they're able to secure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of workers down in the

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Speaker 1: South in those right to work states at foreign automakers

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Speaker 1: who were checking out this deal and what they were

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Speaker 1: able to achieve. I'm sure there's a lot of workers

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Speaker 1: in other industries who are also looking at like wow,

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Speaker 1: when they have a union, and they're able to do

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Speaker 1: this collective bargaining process. They're actually able to release secure

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Speaker 1: significant gains over the protests and the freak out, the

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Speaker 1: panic attacks of the executives and certainly of CNBC and

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Speaker 1: Jim Kramer in particular. That was the one last note

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make is remember the beginning of this,

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Speaker 1: all this like, oh my god, it's going to tank

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Speaker 1: the economy and this is a disaster and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: destroy Biden's reelection bid. Biden's doing enough to destroy his

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Speaker 1: own re election bid. But you know, none of that like,

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Speaker 1: oh it's going to crash the economy. Stuff, and car

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Speaker 1: prices are going to go through the roof, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Did any of that happen? Did any of it happen? No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. So just remember that the next time

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Speaker 1: that we have a good postage.

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Speaker 2: And also, let's wait, I want to see what happens

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Speaker 2: to the price of those cars. That's that's the real one,

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Speaker 2: because that's what they kept saying was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I will call on them to release a better car,

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Speaker 2: but that's a different that's a different thing. We've got

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Speaker 2: Lefong standing by let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: Been talking a lot today about how a lot of

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Speaker 1: political leaders are playing into the sectarian nature of the

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Speaker 1: conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, played in some of

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Speaker 1: the comments from Netanyahu earlier today. So we're excited to

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Speaker 1: be joined by Lefong, who's long been covering the way

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Speaker 1: the religious right views this particular conflict and how it

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Speaker 1: impacts their political approach on the issue. Lee, great to

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Speaker 1: see you see man. Yeah, and guys, check out. Lee

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Speaker 1: has a fantastic substack. It's just Lefung dot com where

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Speaker 1: he does great work as an independent journalist there, So

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Speaker 1: make sure you check that out. And the piece we

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Speaker 1: wanted to have you on to talk about. Let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. You've been tracking

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Speaker 1: the way that televangelists have been talking about what is

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Speaker 1: going on in Israel and their war on Gaza. Your

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Speaker 1: headline here is televangelists invoke Holy war to push for

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Speaker 1: weapons for Israel strikes on Iran. Just talk to us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the significance of this lie and

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Speaker 1: what you've been tracking.

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Speaker 12: Look, this is a very different conflict than other geopolitical

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01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 12: issues China and Taiwan or Russia and Ukraine, and that

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Speaker 12: religion is playing.

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Speaker 4: A huge role here.

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Speaker 12: You know, all three Abrahamic beliefs have a eschatology feature

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Speaker 12: that you know, there are elements of each religion that

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01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 12: are pushing for the end times that see this kind

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Speaker 12: of messianic vision of war of control over Jerusalem as

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Speaker 12: critical for bringing about Judgment day. Here in the US,

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Speaker 12: we have something like ninety to one hundred million evangelicals.

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Speaker 4: A fraction of those.

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Speaker 12: Believers are people who subscribe to some of these end

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Speaker 12: times beliefs. And you know, going back into the early

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Speaker 12: nineteen eighties when Prime Minister Manocolm Began brought Jerry Folwell

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Speaker 12: and his Moral Majority to Israel, Israel has worked proactively

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Speaker 12: to cultivate these voters. You know, they're looking for a

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Speaker 12: voting block that can pressure Congress and you know, various

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Speaker 12: administrations to support pro Israel policies. It's a very concerted

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Speaker 12: effort and we're seeing that being redded up again with

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Speaker 12: this war. Israeli government officials are reaching out to evangelical voters,

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Speaker 12: encouraging them to help lobby lawmakers, to put pressure on

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Speaker 12: the media to support this war effort. And you know

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Speaker 12: there's a little bit of cynicism involved here, because if

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Speaker 12: you look carefully at some of these Christian Zionists End

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01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 12: Times theology, you know, it's kind of bleak even for

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Speaker 12: Jews and for Israel. And you know, if you look

1900
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Speaker 12: at this End Times theology, there is a final war

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Speaker 12: over Jerusalem, that when Jesus comes back in the Second Coming,

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01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 12: there will be a final event where non believers, including Jews,

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01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 12: are all killed except for one hundred and forty four

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Speaker 12: thousand Jews who are converted to Christianity that become evangelists

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Speaker 12: for Christ, and that kind of ushers in the thousand

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Speaker 12: year reign of Christ.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 12: So this is not a you know, positive event for

1909
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 12: Jews or for many people in the world. But you know,

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Speaker 12: in this kind of crisis, for Israel, they need as

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Speaker 12: much political support as possible.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of outrage going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have one of the videos actually you posted

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Speaker 2: of these really ambassador actually joining Pastor John Hagy at

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01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: a meeting in Texas directly invoking some of this and

1916
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 2: asking for political support.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, we'll get your reaction.

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Speaker 13: In the words of Isaiah, for Zion's sake, I will

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Speaker 13: not keep silent. For Jerusalem's sake, I will not remain quiet.

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Speaker 13: We must stand together Jews and Christians in our holy

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Speaker 13: mission for the truth.

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Speaker 2: And so Lee, how potent and is this politically because

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01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 2: you did some interviews with some congressmen that I'd like

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Speaker 2: you to touch on where they cite directly some of

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01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 2: this biblical ties as to their direct governmental support for Israel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 12: You know, I've worked on this issue for a very

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Speaker 12: long time. I helped out last year with a Norwegian

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Speaker 12: documentary Praying for Armageddon, that explores the Christians eye in

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Speaker 12: this issue. And you know, I talked to a number

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Speaker 12: of lawmakers on Capitol Hill just simply asking to explain

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Speaker 12: the US Israel relationship and rather talking out this in

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Speaker 12: US interests or even Palestinian or Israeli interest Many of

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Speaker 12: these lawmakers quickly pivoted and said, look, their.

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Speaker 4: Support for Israel comes from.

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Speaker 12: The divine that they believe that we should give weapons, money,

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Speaker 12: more US support to Israel because of what's what's written

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Speaker 12: in the Bible. And you know, you look at the

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Speaker 12: Christian Zionist theology, it's a hodgepodge of versus. There's some

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Speaker 12: stuff from Isaiah and the Old Testament a lot from revelations,

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Speaker 12: but this has become a very consistent ideology. You know,

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Speaker 12: they're very powerful televangelists and Christian groups, Christians United for

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Speaker 12: Israel's one. There are several groups in Israel. They cultivate

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Speaker 12: this belief system and that takes this theology and harnesses it,

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Speaker 12: harnesses it for a political block on Capital Hill. So

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Speaker 12: these same groups lobby very directly, They reach out to lawmakers,

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Speaker 12: they mobile them. It's a true fusion of religion and politics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I mean this is I even

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Speaker 1: said earlier, the religious right. But the truth is there

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Speaker 1: are plenty of evangelicals who hold these beliefs who are

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Speaker 1: also Democrats. We actually had one in the focus group

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Speaker 1: that we did of democratic based voters when we ask

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Speaker 1: questions about Israel and Palestine. I mean, she said forthright

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Speaker 1: that her views on the issue came directly from her

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Speaker 1: religion and what she believed about it. And listen, people

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Speaker 1: can believe whatever they want to believe. It's a free country.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why it seems important that you highlight

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Speaker 1: this issue is because if you have a view of

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Speaker 1: this conflict that is based on you know, your view

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Speaker 1: of whose side God is on, and this end times

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Speaker 1: philosophy and this holy war that you think was prophesied,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to make you very likely to be

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Speaker 1: able to compromise on the issue. And also, by the way,

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Speaker 1: when you believe one side has God on their side,

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Speaker 1: it's also going to lead you to justify a lot

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Speaker 1: of actions that may otherwise be wholly unjustifiable.

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Speaker 12: I mean, there's not many other conflicts where you have

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Speaker 12: a large voting block, you know, a large number of

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Speaker 12: elected officials praying for salvation through war. You know, you

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Speaker 12: can't apply that to many other conflicts going on today.

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Speaker 12: But that's the case here. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 12: I don't want to single out only Christians here, and

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Speaker 12: that's a dominant force and a lot of these Republican

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Speaker 12: Party primaries in some Republican party politics here in the US.

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Speaker 12: There are certainly some Democrats as well. But you know,

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Speaker 12: this is this is also a major feature of politics

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Speaker 12: within the Islamic world. There's you know, Islamic eschatology that

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Speaker 12: references you know, the end times and just and there

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Speaker 12: are political groups that harness and exploit that for encouraging

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Speaker 12: conflict with Israel. You know, ISIS and al Qaeda. You know,

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Speaker 12: they reference, they clearly reference the discussion around you know,

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Speaker 12: the hidden Mahdi, the final Islamic leader, coming with black flags,

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Speaker 12: appearing with black flags, and.

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Speaker 4: That's why they use black flags.

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Speaker 12: And some of their propagames to Hamas, and their charter

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Speaker 12: discusses Judgment Day and war at Israel again, kind of

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Speaker 12: referencing and times. And some of these new and newly

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Speaker 12: resurgent religious right groups that are part of Netanyahu's governing coalition.

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Speaker 12: These are groups that openly discuss UH blowing up the

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Speaker 12: Temple mount of the Dome of the Rock to build

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Speaker 12: the Third Temple. That's the kind of Messianic Jewish vision

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Speaker 12: of bringing out, bringing about the kind of final epoch

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Speaker 12: of Jewish you know, theology. So you know, they're extremists

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Speaker 12: on all sides. I want to be clear about that. Yes,

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Speaker 12: the Christian Zionist influence, however, it's just a more dominant

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Speaker 12: force here in the US. You know, it's it's a

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Speaker 12: very well oiled lobbying machine. We're seeing calls for action

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Speaker 12: every day. People are pressuring their lawmakers to support Israel

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Speaker 12: and support UH Israel for more conflict, hoping to bring

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Speaker 12: about apocalyptic war because of their religious beliefs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something if you could dig into a

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Speaker 2: little bit here with these congressmen, is it? And now

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Speaker 2: we actually have a speaker honestly who I wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: he falls directly into this, but he is certainly even

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Speaker 2: evangelic Christian with some past ties to the groups which

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Speaker 2: very much seem aligned with this in terms of their

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Speaker 2: political power. As you said, is it bottom up in

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Speaker 2: terms of their constituents, But then how much of it

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Speaker 2: is it also their own personal beliefs in the case

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Speaker 2: of some of these representatives.

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Speaker 12: Look, I mean, it's hard to say what people truly believe.

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Speaker 12: You have to kind of go on what they say.

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Speaker 12: But I do kind of assume that there's a little

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Speaker 12: bit of pandering going on. I think some lawmakers might

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Speaker 12: kind of signal to these beliefs, perhaps just for votes

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Speaker 12: or for campaign donations, but some are more pragmatic.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to say.

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Speaker 12: If you look at some of these large televangelist leaders.

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Speaker 12: There are many, but you know the biggest is John Hagey.

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Speaker 12: Does he truly believe this? You know, he claimed back

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Speaker 12: in the day that Y two K would bring about

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Speaker 12: the end Times, the lunar eclips.

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Speaker 4: You know Harry Potter.

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Speaker 12: You know he finds pretty much any kind of conflict.

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Speaker 4: Of the news and says the end Times is happening.

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Speaker 12: Does he truly believe that every single one is a

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Speaker 12: sign of the end Times? I don't know, But what

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Speaker 12: I do know is that he mobilizes tens of thousands

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Speaker 12: of his supporters to get on buses and go to

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Speaker 12: Capitol Hill and lobby multiple times a year to call

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Speaker 12: their members of Congress and demand more military support and

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Speaker 12: political support for Israel. We know that they are very

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Speaker 12: active in this current conflict, so they're making an impact.

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Speaker 12: So what John Hagy actually believes in his heart when

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Speaker 12: he's asking for donations and selling these books that are

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Speaker 12: constantly prophesizing around the end Times, I don't know, But

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Speaker 12: we do know that he's having an impact, that he

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Speaker 12: has dozens of members of Congress at his beck and

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Speaker 12: call that wrote that go to his congregation and participate

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Speaker 12: in this in this political operation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to give people a sense of a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the rhetoric here, you have Hagy's son

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Speaker 1: who says the sectuary state is not going to get

2044
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Speaker 1: us out of this one God has a hook in

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Speaker 1: the jaws of these nations and he's drawing them.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: God to Ezekiel exactly how he's going to defend Israel.

2048
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Speaker 1: He speaks about raining down fire and hail in brimstone.

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Speaker 1: That's a heavenly air assault. So talking about the air strikes,

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Speaker 1: describing them as heavenly, and you know, this is exactly

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Speaker 1: what God told Ezekiel was coming. So just so people

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Speaker 1: get a sense of some of the rhetoric that's being

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Speaker 1: used here. Lastly, Lee, I was wondering if you could

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Speaker 1: weigh in a bit on some of the rhetoric that

2055
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Speaker 1: we've been highlighting here directly from the Prime Minister of

2056
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Speaker 1: Israel Netnyahu, really framing this in terms of like religious

2057
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Speaker 1: holy war terms, you know, feeding the flames of the

2058
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Speaker 1: sectarian nature of this conflict, even though at bottom it

2059
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Speaker 1: really is a political conflict in a land dispute we

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Speaker 1: played today. You know, him invoking Amelek, he talked previously

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Speaker 1: about they're going to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah. You know,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of that sort of framing of

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Speaker 1: this conflict.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's very dangerous because, as you say,

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Speaker 12: this is at heart a geopolitical conflict. They are valid

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Speaker 12: security concerns on both sides. There are many issues that

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Speaker 12: can be discussed, but when you invoke religion in this way,

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Speaker 12: and it appears to be an organized talking point, because

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Speaker 12: it's not just Netahu, many of his ambassadors and consulate

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Speaker 12: officials here in the US are now repeatedly invoking the

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Speaker 12: same Old Testament versus from Isaiah that are very popular

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Speaker 12: among these kind of end times Christian Zionists. So this

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Speaker 12: is a concerted effort. But the issue here is that

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Speaker 12: they're using religion to obscure the bigger picture, to dehumanize

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Speaker 12: the enemy, to say that, hey, these are non believers,

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Speaker 12: these are people that need to be wiped out based

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Speaker 12: on religion. And it's the same kind of political trick

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Speaker 12: that we see really across the board throughout history. You know,

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Speaker 12: many on the left, you know, in my opinion, use

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Speaker 12: identity politics in a similar way. When you kind of

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01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 12: divide people based on skin color, ethnicity, it's very easy

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01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 12: to not see the common humanity. On the other side,

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01:40:58,160 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 12: the same thing is happening, i think on the right

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01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 12: here with the religion to say, hey, these are the

2085
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 12: believers versus non believers. It's hard to see that. Again,

2086
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 12: we're all humans. A Palestinian life is just as precious

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01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 12: as an Israeli life, and the invocation of religion is

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01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 12: an attempt to divide and mobilize political support for this war.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you highlighted it too, that this is

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Speaker 2: a feature of a lot of these Abrahamic fates. I mean,

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons that the Palestinian cause is weaponized

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01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 2: by a lot of people in the Arab world is

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Speaker 2: they talk about the Alaksa Mosque exactly as you said,

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01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 2: the temple mound, that's like the main source of continuing

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01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: some of this, and then the people themselves often is

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01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 2: used as pond same as you said, in terms of

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Speaker 2: a lot of the extremism that we've seen from some

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Speaker 2: of the Israeli far right as well.

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Speaker 3: So I just I've always appreciated your work. Lee.

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Speaker 2: You've got a great substack. We encourage everybody to go

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Speaker 2: and subscribe to it. We'll have a link down in

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Speaker 2: the description, and we appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Anytime, my friend, anytime, and thank you all so much

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Speaker 2: for watching. We appreciate your support. It's a hell of

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Speaker 2: a lot of work doing these shows and I guess

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Speaker 2: standing through it right, Crystal, But we do it because

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Speaker 2: we love all of you, and it's more, it's the

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Speaker 2: most stifying at crisis times like this. We appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of your support and we will see you all tomorrow.