1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: And with that, Julian Edelman is now joining US Live. Julian, 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: you have a relationship with Mike Vrabel, who is a 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: little bit like Harbond that he's very intense. It's kind 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: of physically intimidating. How you know this was the worst 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: defense in the league twenty games ago, now it's the best. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: How do certain coaches forget the playbook? How do you 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: change a culture like Harbaugh's done? 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: I think you lean on fundamentals. They'd be they're fundamentally sound. Tackling, blocking, 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: I remember Belichick always used to say this game comes 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: down two things, blocking and tackling. If you can get 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: those things tackle in the open field, when you're in 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: a zone coverage, which you see a lot of teams 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: miss those tackles that turn into thirty yard explosive plays. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 3: If you can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over, 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: That's how you. 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: Change a culture right away, not with all the talking, 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: not with this, it's with the actions that they they're 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: showing that they're doing. I mean, what are they they 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: They're I think zero in the turnover margin, or they 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: maybe plus one in the turnover margin. They haven't thrown 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: any picks, they haven't had many turnovers. They're starting to 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: get production out of their you know, first round draft 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: pick a couple of years, Quinton Johnson, which is I 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: think the huge difference maker. So they've looked very good, 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: and I think when a coach comes in and establishes 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: that if he wants to be a tough football team, 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: tough football teams don't beat themselves. 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you go look at that last iteration 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: of the Patriots with Gronk you and Tom Randy Moss 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: was gone. You were not a big, over the top offense. 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: And I watched Philadelphia and AJ Brown just doesn't get looks. 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: And my takeaway is that's not who they are. Like 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: your Patriot teams. It's built on third down, a fishing 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: quarterback play. You don't have the quarterback throwing forty two times, 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and I almost feel like when you play the Eagles, 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: it's demoralizing because there is very little there. And if 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: you go back to your New England teams, those last couple, 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: the one that beat Atlanta, you were not an over 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: the top offense. Philadelphia's got AJ Brown, but they don't 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: really throw it deep very often. When that's not part 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: of your offense. Did you ever look at it as 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: a weakness or did you look at it like, hey, 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: zero to fifteen yards, we're the best offense in the league. 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: We just don't do it over that. I think that's 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: a loaded question. AJ Brown. If you take him out 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: of the equation, then you condense the field. Then they 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: don't have to think about the deep target. Then the 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: one time they do get that one matchup, that one 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: on one matchup on the outside where he gets an explosion, 58 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: play that that. That's tough to do when you don't 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: have them out there. They're kind of like a military man. 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: They have air air support and they have land ground support. 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 4: You know right now they don't have to use their 62 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: air force. 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: Uh. 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 3: That's how they're built. Because their team is built so well. 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: They're a complementary football team, and they do what's best 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,559 Speaker 3: to win the game. They don't really care about number statistics, 67 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: which was very similar to us. 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: The ultimate statistic is the winning loss callum. 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: And you know, if they can have the mental toughness 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: where guys can understand that role, they're going to be 71 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: unstoppable because there's going to be a time where someone 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: is taking out their run games, someone's keying out on 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: Saint Quan and Jalen and they may have a little 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: new wrinkle and they're going to have to lean on 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: that task game and win outside the numbers. And AJ 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: Brown's probably top five at doing that. So there's going 77 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: to be a time where they're gonna need him. They 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: just got to keep them happy. 79 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: So I listen, the Bengals don't have a run game. 80 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: The offense is very predicated on Joe Burrow throwing the 81 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: ball down the field. But I said, there is a 82 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: skill Eli manning, Tom Brady mahomes in not getting hurt. 83 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: It's not all happens to justin fields. By the way, 84 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: he gets banged up a lot, Brock Purdy gets banged 85 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: up a lot. And I look at Joe Burrow and 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: he is one of those guys he sits there for 87 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: the last second and go back to Tom. 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 5: Tom. 89 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: If when you consider how long Tom played, I'm sure 90 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: he was banged up from time to time. But one 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: of the biggest injuries he ever suffered was ripping his 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: hand before a game because it got got in a helmet. 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember Tom getting blindsided very often. Did Tom 94 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: talk about and practice avoiding the sacks and avoiding injury? 95 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 4: Well, those are the injuries that you knew about Tom. 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: I mean Tom played through some stuff that he just 97 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: wouldn't which I don't know if that's legal or not. 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: But there's times where he had a broken foot. No 99 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: one knew about it, that he played with broken ribs. 100 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: He just didn't really publicize it. But I tell you 101 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: one thing that Tom always did. He always thought about 102 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: his body. He thought about that in his preparation. He 103 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: had his little he had Alex s Guerrero around him 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. So if he's pre cont like 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: if he's subconsciously thinking about this all the time, it 106 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: translates into your game. You know when Burrow got hurt, Yeah, 107 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: that's you kind of double back and you're going in. 108 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: There's people on the ground. I mean, those are those 109 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: are high risk areas to be in. 110 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 4: I don't think. 111 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: I think Tom just didn't put himself in those situations 112 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 3: unless it was like something he had to do. And 113 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: I think a lot of this also has to come 114 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: down to how their team is constructed. Everyone knows they 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: got to throw the ball vertically to win. They don't 116 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: have a defense that's going to get them turnovers. They 117 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: have zero run game, so there's a built up pressure 118 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: for Joe Burrow to have to make plays and it's 119 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: something that we've seen him be able to do. But 120 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: they haven't been able to one game win games, and 121 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: they haven't been able to stay healthy. I think they 122 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: have to fundamentally kind of change their team because this 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: is what we're starting to see in his career, is 124 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: that he you know, Joe's getting hurt. How does Joe 125 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: not get hurt, Hit him less, give the ball to 126 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: other people more, and get the ball out of his hands. 127 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: So I think they really have a fundamental problem with 128 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 4: how their team's made. 129 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: I said, when it comes to young quarterbacks, some of 130 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: it is the eye test. I watch JJ McCarthy, he 131 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: looks overwhelmed. I watch Caleb Williams, and he's more of 132 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: an ad liver and Ben Johnson's more on script and structure. 133 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes I look at stuff and go, oh, that doesn't 134 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: feel like it works when you look at Caleb and 135 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: the Bears. Obviously their defense stunk against Detroit, But I 136 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: do feel like the coach has a system and he 137 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: didn't draft Caleb. Caleb doesn't really work for the system. 138 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Josh and Tom, I mean they were both get it 139 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: out quick. I remember the Charger playoff game when Boss like, dude, 140 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: I can't even. 141 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 5: Get to you. The balls out so fast. 142 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if Caleb has built the play like that. 143 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 5: Is it possible He's not. 144 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: I think it's way too early to tell. We got 145 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: to take in consideration. This is a second system out 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: of college in his second year. 147 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: We all know that Ben Johnson has a very verbal 148 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: offense that is very operation driven that you know, has 149 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: two plays in the play call and he's missing these 150 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: wide open throws because his mind is racing. He's not 151 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: really comfortable quite yet with the operation of this offense. 152 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: Look last year and bo Nicks with his first year 153 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: with Sean Payton, they looked like a disaster. The first 154 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: couple of weeks of the season, right. That's because Sean 155 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: has you know, a complex system. 156 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: There's a certain way of doing it things. 157 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: You got to kind of beat the backyard football out 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: of the young guys, which takes little time. And we 159 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: got to recalibrate that this is kind of Caleb's rookie season. 160 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: It's a completely different offense schematically, verbiage, everything that he 161 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: was going from last year, which was completely different what 162 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: he was doing the year before. 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: So there's times where this offense is looked competent. 164 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: I don't I don't remember any time last year the 165 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: offense looking competent. So that's a plus, you know what 166 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: I mean. They've they've done better in certain situations. There's 167 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: been improvement. They just got to continue this and remember 168 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: that he's you know, he's going into his rookie year 169 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: with this is a rookie year, you know, with a 170 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: new offense. So it's going to take some time to 171 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: get you know, the verbal communication in. I mean, Ben Johnson, 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: I guarantee probably gives two play calls every time you 173 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: come in. You got to communicate the play, You got 174 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: to communicate the personnel group. You got to get to 175 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: the line of stramage. Take a pre snap reade, look 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 3: at the front, look at the coverage, make sure all 177 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: your guys are assigned. Then go get the right play 178 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: called according to what you're seeing in the pre snap 179 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: reed with, which can completely change in the. 180 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 4: Post snap read. 181 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: That's a lot of stuff for a young guy, which 182 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: you know that he's getting taught that. So you know, 183 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: you can compare Caleb's first time to all the other 184 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: guys that Ben Johnson had for the first time, Jared Goff. 185 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: Jared Goff was in the same system with Sean McVay. 186 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: That's the same verbage as Ben Johnson stuff, So it's 187 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: not the same kind of comparison. He had, you know, 188 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: three four years under his belt in a similar system, 189 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: going to Ben Johnson, who you know did that. So 190 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of both Ben Johnson learning 191 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: Caleb on what he does well and what he doesn't 192 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 3: do well and trying to get those things out and 193 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: and Caleb trying to learn this system. 194 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: I mean, it takes time. He's you know, he's. 195 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. I thought. 196 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: I thought it was actually a big win for the Patriots. 197 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: They got a special team's touchdown. It was a it 198 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: was a go back and forth game. They've had a 199 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: huge defensive play late. I still think they need juice 200 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: on the outside. I think they're kind of a limited offense. 201 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, when I watched it, Drake 202 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: May didn't make any mistakes. Big special teams play, big 203 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: defensive play like this may not have been a big 204 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: win for a Edelman Brady Gronk team, but Miami's always 205 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: been a tough spot. And I came out of that 206 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: game and I thought, oh, that was an easy loss. 207 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: You could have lost that game so easily. I was 208 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: kind of impressed with it. 209 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: You, I was really impressed with it. 210 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: It's a division opponent that has had continuity for a 211 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: long time, and even a Brady Gronk Edelman team struggled 212 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: playing in Miami in that heat in September, and they 213 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: went and got it done. They looked like a better 214 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: shaped team, more fundamentally sound football team. 215 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: If you look at some of their stats. 216 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: What the first week on third down against the Raiders, 217 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: they were four and fourteen on third down. 218 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: They were one for three in the red area. 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: This last week, I think they're seven for twelve in 220 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: third down. They're three for four in the red area, 221 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: so that's improvement. They only punted twice. They had a 222 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: couple pre snap penalties that they got to get fixed, 223 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: but that'll come. They look like similar to what I 224 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: was saying with the Bears, who didn't have any competency 225 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: the year before. They look like an offense that's getting better, 226 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: that's learning each other. There's guys making plays, and this 227 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: is the early part of the year for everyone, So 228 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: you know, not anyone who hasn't been together is gonna 229 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: look like they're a pro football team. Especially with the 230 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: CBA and how these guys are supposed to practice, this 231 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: is gonna take some time on learning your team. There's 232 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: not really it's really hard for these guys to prepare 233 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: for other teams. There's not a lot of films to 234 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: learn what these wrinkles are. Once these things start getting 235 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: adjusted and settled, they're gonna be able to coach from 236 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: these things and get better. So you're already seeing improvement. 237 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: They got a lot more to do, but it's awesome 238 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 3: to see that they got a divisional win. 239 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 240 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: By the way, again, early September, it's it can be hot. 241 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Northern teams going down hot. We lost their a bunch, Yeah, 242 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: Julian as always games with names. New episode every Tuesday, 243 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: sitting in the studio now Sundays on Fox NFL Kickoff. 244 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: But I appreciate starting buying. 245 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: No problem, I'll see you guys. 246 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,119 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 247 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 248 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 249 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 6: Hey it's me Rob Parker. 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Jerry Jones knows the 264 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 7: defense needs to step up. 265 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 8: It's bang into the scheme. You've got to you've got 266 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 8: to handle your responsibilities and you've got to really do 267 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 8: that all over the defense. 268 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 5: You've got to. 269 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 8: Do your responsibility, that's first and foremost, and then make 270 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 8: that play if it's there. But the main thing is 271 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 8: you can't just be there trying to make a play. 272 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 8: You can't be a lone ranger out there. You've got 273 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 8: to be a part of a team. 274 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're a Cowboy fan, you have 275 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: to be so encouraged by your first two weeks. You're 276 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: so encouraged by Dak's movement accuracy. I mean, Brian Schottenheimer 277 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: has a lot of people might included thought this is 278 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: a five win team. 279 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 5: That's what I think. 280 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: I said, a five win team. You were more optimistic. 281 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: But when I watch him today, that offense alone, if 282 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: Dak is healthy, that's a seven eight nine win team 283 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: just on the offense alone. 284 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bengals of the NFC. 285 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 7: Now, the real question is can the defense get help 286 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 7: if Bland comes back. So Jerry Jones obviously is speaking 287 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 7: because he loves to talk to the media, He says 288 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 7: he has a real chance to play Bland, their great cornerback, 289 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 7: against the Bear Sunday. 290 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 5: Now, if he doesn't play and Caleb. 291 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 7: Doesn't cook in this one, Colin, that's. 292 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 5: Gonna be a real bitter pill to swallow for Chicago fans. 293 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 5: I don't want to say it's. 294 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 7: Over for Ben and Caleb after three games, but you'll 295 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 7: have to admit if he can't. 296 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 5: I mean, what do you think. 297 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 7: The team total would be? Like, what's a good number 298 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 7: for the Bears to score. 299 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 5: Against this Cowboys defense? Twenty seven to twenty eight points? 300 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think three or four touchdowns should be in 301 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 7: play for the Bears of this. 302 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm not talking garbage time. 303 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: If you lose a shootout to dak it's thirty two, 304 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: twenty eight and you know, Caleb completes sixty five percent 305 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: of his throws two TD snow picks. He's not great, 306 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: but it's a fight to the end. That's improvement. My 307 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: problem was the first week. In the second week, great 308 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: opening drive, but by the third quarter, it just came unraveled, 309 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, I feel like I'm watching the 310 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: same thing. So I didn't see a lot of growth. 311 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: But I don't think. I think this defense and this 312 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: environment is built for growth. I think Caleb will look better. 313 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Danny Parkins will have that. 314 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 5: I think. 315 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: I think it'd be really, really rough if Caleb gave 316 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: you the third straight nice opening drive downhill from there, 317 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: that would be hard to stomach. 318 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 7: Now we know Jadavian Clowney is expected to make his 319 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 7: debut for the Cowboys defense, so they'll get another guy 320 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 7: in the front. I mean, I don't know how much 321 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 7: of a factor he'll be. He's more of a name 322 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 7: at this point in his career. But hey, Dallas is trying. 323 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: You know. 324 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 7: I had to get got Kenny Clerk from the Packers, 325 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 7: and now Jadavian Clowny's really four five against the run game. 326 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: College's okay, he can play. He solid. Yeah. 327 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 7: Next up is the Miami Dolphins Colin. They are zero 328 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 7: and two and the Sharks are circling around Mike McDaniel. 329 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 7: There was a banner that flew over the stadium in 330 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 7: Week two against the Patriots calling for the firing of 331 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 7: McDaniel and GM Chris Greer. McDaniel says he's not worried 332 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 7: about job security and his players are backing his coach, 333 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 7: with linebacker Chop Robinson saying, it's not him out there 334 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 7: on the field, it's really on us. We got to 335 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 7: get better. However, I have talked to some Miami fans 336 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 7: Colin that I know down there. So they play on 337 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 7: Thursday against the Bills. Their next game is down until 338 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 7: next Monday against the Jets. If they get embarrassed and 339 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 7: housed by Buffalo, this is the time you get extended 340 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 7: prep right for the next week. It's not just a 341 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 7: seven Sunday to Sunday. I would not be surprised if 342 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 7: some a move was made. 343 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: Well, I will say Steven Ross, the owner, and Mike 344 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: McDaniel have had multiple conversations, so that has been reported. 345 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: I've been reading, I've been reading Joe Shad and other 346 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: writers down in Miami. So the owner and the coach 347 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: are talking on a weekly basis, pregame, post game, so there. 348 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean. I don't think they want to make a move, 349 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: and I do think their coach is on the right 350 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: side of the ball. What really worries me is the 351 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: lack of culture and the lack of effort. Again, this 352 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: is not a great roster. Chris Greer has been the GM. 353 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: I think longer than anybody almost in the AFC. It 354 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: feels like he's been there forever. I don't like the roster. 355 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: I agree, So I don't think this is all Mike McDaniel, 356 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: but the culture feels broken. That's where you lose me. 357 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I can deal with losses, but what are you? What 358 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: is Miami? I don't think there're anything specifically, and that's 359 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: this is a year. 360 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 5: Or what four or five for him? Well, here's the 361 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 5: other problem. 362 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 7: Remember if they fire him, really remember the Jets fired 363 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 7: Salah last year early and what happened. The defense completely 364 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 7: fell apart, If the offense falls apart from Miami, you're 365 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 7: looking at like one, two, three wins, quick number for you, Colin. Okay, 366 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 7: Brian Dabele and McDaniel were hired the same. 367 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 5: Year, Okay. 368 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 7: Mike McDaniel is twenty eight and twenty five with two 369 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 7: playoff trips. Brian Dabele is eighteen and thirty four and 370 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 7: one with one playoff trip. 371 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: So McDaniel has ten more wins than Brian Dabele. 372 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 7: They were both hired the same offseason, and everybody wants 373 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 7: to run McDaniel out of town. 374 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 5: Yet Dabel all of a sudden, nob were talking about Dabell. 375 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm a McDaniel guy. 376 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: Like I think, I think it's understood that this is 377 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: dables last year. I think that's understood. 378 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 5: Okay. 379 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 7: Final story is, oh, everybody's favorite practice squad quarterback Shadeer Sanders. 380 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 7: Remember that report over the weekend that the Ravens wanted 381 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 7: to draft Shadeur one hundred and forty first overall, but 382 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 7: passed because he allegedly said he didn't want to be 383 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 7: the backup stuck behind Lamar Jackson. Well, of course, the 384 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 7: media asked Shadoor about this, and he said, Colin, wait 385 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 7: for it. I'm focused on the now. I don't really 386 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 7: want to talk about anything in the past. I don't 387 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 7: remember anything pre draft. I go to practice every day 388 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 7: and there's a twenty four hour rule. That's not a denial, Colin, 389 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 7: I just Bolton, You've talked for years. Baltimore is one 390 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 7: of the best franchises in the league. 391 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 8: Agreed. 392 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, he said, I don't want to go there because 393 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 7: I'll be stuck behind the mark. 394 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean he listened between the legendary draft room, 395 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: the two ninety five mile hour speeding tickets, and that 396 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: quote he either got really bad advice or he's got 397 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: really bad judgment. But he's not leading the scout team, 398 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: so it's probably a little bit of both. And I 399 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: think Dion Sanders, you know, has not distanced himself from it. 400 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: But I think Dad gave him great poor advice. And 401 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: I think this is just, you know, a cautionary tale 402 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: of you know, Dad leaning. 403 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 5: On the sun. 404 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: Nico iamaliav at the UCLA quarterback, sometimes Dad squeezed so hard. 405 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: The love is so you know, intense that they they 406 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: see they. 407 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 5: Squeeze too hard. Like it's just I think should have. 408 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: Got really really bad advice, and I think the UCLA 409 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: quarterback similarly really bad advice. You don't leave Tennessee, which 410 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: has always been even though they haven't won as much 411 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: in the last one of years, it's a football power. 412 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean Tennessee is play off Yeah, I mean Tennessee 413 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: is college football to UCLA, which has no nil money 414 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: and is the second best program by a long shot 415 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: in their own city. Sometimes guys, young people get bad advice. 416 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 5: J Macklin news, Well. 417 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 4: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by. 418 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: The herd Line. 419 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: News Well, he worked in Chicago for over a decade. Uh, 420 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: and there wasn't a lot of winds and happiness and 421 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: rainbows and birds chirping with the Bears. Danny Parkins next 422 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: on what he's seeing with Chicago is their home. 423 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 424 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: and noon eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 425 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 426 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 5: It comes to. 427 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: Young quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson looked absolutely overwhelmed. Daniel Jones with 428 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: the Giants looks kind of limited. Caleb looks a little 429 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: like the early shades of Josh Allen. He's just out 430 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: of control, but the horsepower is clearly there. Danny Parkins, 431 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: who did Chicago Radio Forever, First Things, first weekdays at 432 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: three eastern after our show, I guess the encouraging thing 433 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: is there is a Josh Allen aspect which is arm horsepower. 434 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: You can see it. But Josh was wild at Wyoming. 435 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: He was wild for a year and a half and 436 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, year two he started improving. 437 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: Is that your kind of feel like, Okay, it's got 438 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: a little Josh. He doesn't look limited like Daniel Jones 439 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: or JJ McCarthy. He's not overwhelmed. Like Anthony Richardson, like, 440 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't feel it's that do you. 441 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 4: Not even close? 442 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 5: Colin? 443 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 9: I mean, it hasn't been good, but it hasn't been awful. 444 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 9: And I think people have gone a little bit too 445 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 9: far here with this sky is falling narrative because at 446 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 9: the beginning of games on script it's looked good. Some 447 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 9: of the offscript stuff, the improvisation has been very impressive. 448 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 9: It's been frustrating. Week one felt a little bit like 449 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 9: Week nineteen, just an extension of last year. But I 450 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 9: do think that coming out of that Detroit game there 451 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 9: were signs of improvement from Caleb Williams. But it also 452 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 9: speaks to we are such a quarterback driven culture that 453 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 9: we're asking these tough questions about Caleb Williams. And I 454 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 9: get it, number one pick, it's the quarterback. It's a 455 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 9: quarterback league. The defense gave up fifty points like that. 456 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 9: Caleb Williams is not a linebacker, a pass rusher, or 457 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 9: a cornerback. So coming out of that Lions game with 458 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 9: Caleb Williams, concern just seems a little misplaced to me. 459 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: You know, Ben Johnson, young guy, first job, he's been 460 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: not defensive, he's not Brian Kelly at LSU at the mic, 461 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: but he's trying to be very supportive. 462 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 5: It's a fine line. 463 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: He wants to be supportive, but he doesn't want to 464 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: get pushed over. In the preseason, he went, he said, 465 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Tyson vagent, this guy is razor sharp. 466 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 5: This is unbelievable. 467 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: And I thought that's a that may be a little 468 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: too much. I offered a Jmac this week. I said, 469 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: if the Dallas defense stops him, do you think Ben 470 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: Johnson drives home after the postgame and thinks maybe I 471 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: got to make a quarterback change? 472 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 5: Or does that sound ludicrous? 473 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 9: It sounds ludicrous, Colin, And when you said it earlier 474 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 9: in the show, frankly, it upset me. I was a 475 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 9: little angry with you, and I considered texting you, but 476 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 9: then I realized, no, we could just do this on 477 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 9: the air the old fashioned way. Like Ben Johnson was 478 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 9: the hot coaching candidate in twenty twenty four. He interviewed 479 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 9: for the Chargers job, he interviews for the command job, 480 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 9: he interviews for the Seahawks job. He's on at the 481 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 9: top of everybody's list this last year, and he chooses 482 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 9: Chicago and at the introductory press conference, he says, yeah, 483 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 9: the quarterback was a big part of the reason why 484 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 9: this is the job that felt right for me. 485 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 5: And then two games. 486 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 9: In or I guess in your scenario, after the third game, 487 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 9: he's going to be driving back to the suburbs of 488 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 9: Chicago and be like, you know, on one hand, I 489 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 9: have the generational talent who you just compared to Josh 490 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 9: Allen who struggled his first few years in the league 491 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 9: and then it was ultimately unlocked. And on the other hand, 492 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 9: I have the undrafted kid out of Shepherd. 493 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 5: Huh. Which one am I gonna go with? 494 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: I don't believe it. 495 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 9: I think it's completely nonsensical. 496 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 5: And why it made me angry if I could. 497 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 9: Keep going here is last week you have this unbelievable access. 498 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 9: You can talk to billionaires and owners and gms, and 499 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 9: you have the goat. You have Tom Brady on your 500 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 9: show and you're like, my theory, Tom is thank you 501 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 9: giving of year. 502 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 5: Two, I will know it. 503 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 9: And then we saw week two and it wasn't perfect, 504 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 9: and you came out on the air on Monday were like, 505 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 9: forget Thanksgiving? 506 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 4: How about October first? 507 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 9: You just abandoned those principles off of two games and frankly, 508 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 9: it upsets me. 509 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 5: I'm very emotional person. 510 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: Okay, how about this, you are how about this? You 511 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: and I have talked about this off the air. So 512 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: much of this league is ownership. I mean, Tampa's ownership 513 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: stays out of the way. Todd Bowles doesn't have an ego. 514 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield looks like a top five quarterback in Cleveland. 515 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: Impulsive owner, ohways, desperate, bitter media like environment matters. Chicago's 516 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: got one of the poorest ownership groups, a lot of 517 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: kids upstairs. Ryan Pole's many myself included, surprised. He got 518 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: an extension that Ben and Caleb are just literally climbing 519 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: a hill every day in this organization and that it's 520 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: just going to be harder than it would be at Buffalo. 521 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: The Bills were a playoff team before Josh Allen arrived. 522 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: So how about the argument that it may never be 523 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: perfect because this is an imperfect organization. 524 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 4: Well, I think that there's a ton of truth to that. 525 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 9: You know this, Ben Johnson took his car in for 526 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 9: an oil change and they were like, you need a 527 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 9: new transmitter, you need new brakes, you need new wheels, 528 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 9: and frankly, you need an entire new car like this 529 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 9: is a big job. It's a big organizational overhaul the Bears. 530 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 9: Bears fans come by their cynicism with this stuff honestly 531 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 9: because the Bears organization have not given them a reason 532 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 9: to have the benefit of the doubt. So I think 533 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 9: it's a big job with big culture shifts that need 534 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 9: to take place. But I would also say, before Joe 535 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 9: Burrow got to Cincinnati, the Bengals were the Bungles. Before 536 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes got to Kansas City, it had been since 537 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 9: Todd Blackledge that they had won a single regular season 538 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 9: game with the quarterback that their franchise had drafted, not 539 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 9: a play off game. A regular season game with the 540 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 9: quarterback that the Chiefs had drafted had won a single game. 541 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 9: So if you get it right at coaching quarterback, you 542 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 9: can overcome a lot. And I just think it's way 543 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 9: too early to think that Ben and Caleb can't be 544 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 9: the right combination it is. 545 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: I want to end with this. I'm a big Justin 546 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: Herbert fan. I covered Oregon. He's such a nice kid, 547 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: but there's always been this push and pull. 548 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 5: On you know what. 549 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: He got four interceptions in the playoffs, blew a huge lead. 550 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: In my take is well, he finally got an adult 551 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: as a coach, and now he's really good as somebody 552 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: that hasn't lived in LA and watches from afar from 553 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: an organization not like the Bears, but it's been an 554 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: organization that has blown multiple opportunities through the years in 555 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: huge games charging it. I think that's now gone, you hope. 556 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: How do you view Justin Herbert a relatively young quarterback. 557 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 5: Like a top five talent in the NFL? 558 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 9: And I felt that coming into this year, and it 559 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 9: was reflected on the lists and the topics that we 560 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 9: would do on the show. 561 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 4: All last football season. 562 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 9: To me, Justin Herbert is the ultimate eye test quarterback, Like, 563 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 9: if you watch the games, you know that this guy 564 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 9: can do everything that anyone would want from a quarterback 565 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 9: on the football field, and at times he has been 566 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 9: let down by Anthony Lynn, by Brandon Staley, by yes, 567 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 9: having the worst game of his career at the worst 568 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 9: moment possible in Houston, but also knowing that two of 569 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 9: those four interceptions were off of his pass catcher's hands 570 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 9: and the interior of his offensive line was an absolute 571 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 9: disaster against the top five pass rush. 572 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: In the NFL. 573 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 9: In Houston last year, and he had a great first 574 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 9: half of that game against Jacksonville, and then Jacksonville staged 575 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 9: an up at comeback on the Charger defense, not on 576 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 9: Justin Herbert. So the playoffs success will come. But I 577 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 9: believe that he is a Hall of Fame talent. I 578 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 9: believe that there's an MVP Award in his future. I 579 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 9: believe that there's a super Bowl in his future. And 580 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 9: yet Jim Harbaugh is a big part of the reason why. 581 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 9: But I felt that way before Harball got there, simply 582 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 9: because he passes every possible way of just watching the 583 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 9: games and saying, yep, that dude's got it. 584 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't need. 585 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 4: More than that. 586 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 9: It's an eye test thing. And Justin Herbert's that level 587 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 9: of player. 588 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that when I Jayden Daniels in college. 589 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: I remember saying, it's gonna look like Lamar Jackson, not 590 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: quite as fast, better from the pocket. That's gonna work 591 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And to your point, JJ McCarthy looks overwhelmed. 592 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: That's what my eyes tell me. He looks overwhelmed. Danny Parkins, 593 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: first things first, does an amazing job? Show is now 594 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: three hours? Not to because Danny said, I'll carry some. 595 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: I'll carry some. 596 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 5: Of the weight. 597 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: And he is, by the way, great seeing you, Buden. 598 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: Thanks Colin, you bet really really sharp guy. Love seeing him. 599 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 600 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: No, I think Herbert's one of those that were so 601 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: we're so rough on quarterbacks and postseason success. 602 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: We don't do that in baseball. 603 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: Mike Trout does nothing, and everybody that covered the sport 604 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: for a decade said, Mike Trout's the best player. 605 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 5: We don't do that. Even in the NBA. James Harden, 606 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 5: he's unbelievable. Yeah, he falls apart in the playoff. Doesn't 607 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 5: matter with quarterbacks, and people are on Lamar Jackson every January. 608 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 5: He won seventy six percent of his games in the AFC. 609 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 5: Pervert's the real Deal. First Thing's First coming up next week.