WEBVTT - The Prison Escape Artist: A Retrospective 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.400 Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.720 Elizabeth Detton Zaren Burnett. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.040 I got a question for you. Yeah, thank god. Okay, 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.080 you know what's ridiculous. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.480 Yes, I do brands. Brand Okay. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.239 So I've been begging for brands to like give me stuff, yeah, and. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.079 Even doing that forever. And before we have this show, 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:21.880 you've been like going out. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.400 Yeah, I just wanted to get sponsored. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:24.520 By some postcards. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.560 I really was hoping that Oscar Meyer would send me 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:29.640 that hot dog straw. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:31.320 I don't care about. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.800 Keep talking about that. They're very rude walking around headquarters, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.280 always saying I want my hot dogs straw. If I 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.000 only had a hot dogs jaw. Can you imagine this 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:39.200 coffee with a hot dogs straw? 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.080 Rawberry milkshake would do so well with a hot dogstra Anyway, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.640 So this brand called Awake reached out to me and 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.600 they have like a pseudo mashup. No, it's kind of 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.760 a mashup, but I really wouldn't qualify. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.480 The power is growing. Now they're bringing the mashups to 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.640 not just the Elizabeth Army now it's the brand. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.840 Yeah, they just reached out. It's called so it's called 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.360 a Wake. It's caffeinated chocolate. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.600 Well, I mean, I guess, okay, that's that's a mashup 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:08.920 kind of. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.680 I have to be really careful. I have they send 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:18.520 me some. Okay, So it's like there's two flavors, peanut buttered. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.400 Dark chocolate bite, and then what's this other one? 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:21.760 Salt? 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.080 There's like no sugar, no sugar, it's added. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.480 It's a chocolate with no sugar added, which, like, how 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.440 does that work? I don't know, so I haven't had 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:34.720 one yet. I waited for you. It's keto. I don't 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.280 know what that means, the sense it has that I'm 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.119 reading the side of this actual caffeine half a cup 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:40.559 of Joe. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:41.800 Now I don't. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.080 I don't drink coffee anymore. So I'm going to be 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.679 bouncing off the walls. Which one did you open up? 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:48.680 Almonds? Sea salt? 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.560 No bad, it's just dark chocolate. And then we're just 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:55.720 going to be like buzzing. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.760 I can't believe I'm participating in this. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:01:59.360 You I can believe it. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.280 It's fantast You got me on the chocolate. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:02.960 I know that was my lure. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.560 So anyway, they're not paying me or anything, but I 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.359 thought it was cool that they wanted to send me this. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.919 I don't believe they say no sugar was added. There's 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:13.880 literally sugar. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.320 That's that doesn't really task. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.359 Now, when when a brand reaches out to you, does 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:24.440 it look like Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel where there's like hand 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:25.760 comes out their finger touches. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.880 I was going for a walk and a hand came 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.880 out of the sewer. Sorry, wake, that's just I'm joking. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.480 And then a spark of white and chocolate appeared. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:34.680 Yeah, so I don't know. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.799 They just said do you want this? And I was like, yeah, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.440 I'll take chocolate. So I don't know if they're listening whatever. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.680 Okay, well, gluten in it. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.399 Yeah, that was I mean, it wasn't That was not bad. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.040 It was it was what it was. What it was. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.640 Yeah, full of caffeine too. So isn't there a caffeine 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:52.480 and chocolate already? 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:52.680 Yeah? 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.560 I think so, So now they're putting more. They had 0:02:54.680 --> 0:03:00.720 no sugar added, but caffeine. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous, right, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.440 this whole situation. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.120 The fact I participated, the fact that I got something 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.480 like that for free, the fact that I made you 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:12.800 eat it. That it's like caffeinated chocolate and a little 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.720 piece is half the same as half. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:15.280 A cup of coffee. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:16.239 Yeah, car Ridicula. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:17.120 I gotta be. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.560 Careful because my nephew, he comes over every week and 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.519 he has like terminator vision for chocolate. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.560 No, I don't eat a little four year old. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.800 You go to the bathroom, eats like four of them. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.000 That's what he would do too. He likes off the walls. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.200 He likes to eat four of everything because it's four. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.160 Of course. Anyway, got four fingers in the thumb. Yeah, 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:38.800 I get it. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.360 It is ridiculous. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.280 Well, Elizabeth, you got a second, You got a second. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.360 Now they're all caffeinated and chocolate geeked up. I want 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.400 to talk art, sir. You like art? 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:48.200 Yeah? I love art. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.480 Yeah. You know how an artist typically chooses a medium 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.320 they favor, Well, you know they might by medium, I 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.920 mean like paint or clay or bass, guitar, mixtape, paper mache, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.800 or even say naked Europeans coded invasoline. Sure, what about 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.680 Matthew Barney. So my point is there are also artists 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.040 who don't settle on one media. They can do mixed media, right, Okay, 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.600 So we have the visual collage artist, the sculptor, possibly 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.880 the filmmaker. Definitely, the pop Dance Collective CNC Music Factory. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.960 Come on, Elizabeth. They combine dance people, video elements, and. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.200 Lycra people who dance while they're waiting for their popcorn 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:26.240 to pop in the microwave. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.800 Yes, we'll count that mixed media. Now. My point is, 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.680 artists often discover a medium one that allows them to 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.880 speak to the world, to all of us in a 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.560 new way, and they go, this is my voice, right. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.160 This is because this allows them to comment on the 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.840 human condition, or on their own humanity, or on existence itself, Elizabeth, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.839 or just maybe a simple emotion. Elizabeth. Today, I'd like 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.880 us to consider a very important, unique artist. Yes, one 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.920 whose medium is carceral. These are non traditional artists, Elizabeth. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.840 Who'se medium this one is, it's a defiant act. They 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.880 work in escape. Today we consider the prison escape artist. Oh, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:29.400 this is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:36.120 and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and ridiculous. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:43.359 Yes, puppy, Now, mommy, you like the arts, right, you 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:44.480 kind of fancy like that? 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:45.640 Yeah, I'm so fancy. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.479 I hope you brought your big brain today because this 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.720 will be a cultured affair. Wow, oh yes, today I 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.240 want to speak of the metia of the prison escape artist. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.760 To put this outsider artist, if you will, into their 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.800 proper perspectives. Let us first consider the mon art world 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:01.800 x stant. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.920 Okay, okay, which is all just money laundering. But go on. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.160 Exactly now they're already criminals, but they're free. So now 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.279 my point is this is I went and I was reading, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.400 you know, like Art in America, art World, art net online, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.000 and I found this is from Artnet's national art critic 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.599 Ben Davis, and this is dated March third, twenty twenty one. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.240 He's talking about the state of the art world today. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.120 I love his clothes, right, yeah. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.279 Totally great. I mean went from making really great industrial 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:33.760 workwear into commenting on contemporary now his articles the title 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.799 get me in to start. Just listen to this title, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:42.160 Elizabeth Why causes? That's kaws apostrophe s Global success may 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.400 well be a symptom of a depressed culture, a drift 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.800 in nostalgia and retail therapy colon how to make sense 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.240 of the popularity of an artist known for sad cartoons 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.560 and collectible toys. I love that title. It's like a 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.680 nineteenth century book title. So, now do you know the 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.200 former street artist turned Galerust cause A W S all 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.840 caps not familiar. You likely seen his work. He has 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.240 what art critics call a signature motif. What's his motif? 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.880 Great question? Elizabeth crossed out eyes. The eyes are xes. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.760 You see a big circle headed creature, eyes like crossed 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.360 out eyeballs, and so his eyes are just singular excess. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.760 I love when people do that in drawings to signify 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:23.600 someone is dead. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.640 I like it when they signify someone's blotted. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.480 Oh, that's a good one. That's exes for eyes. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.440 You like exed out eyes. You're so gangster. Now his uh, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.640 you know, he's probably a signature character. Think graffiti. It's 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.040 known as Companion. It's this gray, big skullhead of a 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.960 Mickey Mouse looking cartoon and he's got ext out eyes. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.720 Okay, then I have seen h right. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.320 Okay, that's cause. Now his work is very now right 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.720 according to art net and I quote, the culture of 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.680 Cause is closer to some general sense of what a 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.720 very large and enthusiastic public wants from art. This is 0:07:58.760 --> 0:07:59.880 what the art people are saying, not me. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.440 We're all supposed to pause for the cause, Why is that? 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.120 Why do people want this? 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:05.360 All? 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.160 They got the answers for you, Elizabeth, Here we go quote, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.760 So why what itch does it scratch? We live in 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.560 an era of reboots and remakes of regurgitated intellectual property. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.760 The most mainstream layer of mainstream culture consists of things 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.360 like comic book movies and Star Wars, reprocessing teenage affections 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.000 in endlessly permuting ways. What in visual art hits the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:28.760 same nerve? 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:29.320 Hm? 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.840 Right, so he's like, oh yeah, blame the reboots now. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:32.920 Basically, in all. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.440 Honesty, this is a valuable question to consider. The folks 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.280 over at artnet are kind enough to supply the antidote 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.480 to our modern dilemma. They get to the heart of it, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.720 they tap that root, Elizabeth. The answer lies in one word. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.400 What is that word? Emotion? And how it is conveyed? Okay? 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.120 Artnet argues that work like cause quote register and emotion 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.679 without really making you feel that emotion. The work's very vacant, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.280 and its seems to suggest a low level depression running 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.280 through society, so pervasive that deserves as a neutral sign 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.040 of the arts nowness, rather than reading as a personal 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.760 feeling expressed by the artist, So basically there is no 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.440 there there as Yeah, exactly as Dorothy Parker would say, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.360 that personal feeling expressed by the artists. That's what we're 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.560 after today, Elizabeth, that undeniable motion, that irresistible freedom. In 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:25.040 this case, it is freedom itself, extant, big capital letters. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.199 How is freedom represented? How is it expressed? How is 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.959 it felt by the intended audience? Elizabeth? I got a 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.240 question for you. Do you have a favorite prison escape movie? 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.640 No? No, favorite prison escape movie? 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.160 Yeah, like people busting out of prison, you know, from 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.640 I know, Tango and Cash to the Great Escape. You 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:44.319 got choices. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:45.640 Let's say Great Escape. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.240 I'm really having catch onally break out of being imprisoned momentarily. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.200 But anyway, I just try to rack my brain, you know, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:53.560 you know I'm slow in the head. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.840 Princer Dash Sean Connery, The Rock Boom. There you go, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:01.840 and it's got a local angle for you. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.120 Okay, yeah, okay, let's say The Rock. Then it's always 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.840 been my favorite. I'll argue that forever. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.320 Yeah, you were saying that the way into the office. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.240 You're like talking to myself outside. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.760 A producer, David, you have a favorite a prison escape 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.880 movie or even just to escape from an incarceration movie. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.360 Uh, yes, I'm trying to think, well, like this, but 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.199 it's proprietary. Yeah, I mean I can't tell you no. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.560 Uh what about like many favorites, you know, the World 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.400 is my favorite? Uh, the Island, like the one where 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.280 it's sci fi and they're trying to get off the entire. 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.240 Island is a prison. That's a pretty good choice. Not 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.840 a great movie, but a good idea. Yeah, there you go. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.520 That's the whole thing is you can get down to 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.839 the essential with the prison escape movie. We all relate. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.080 You're like, I want to get the hell out of there. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.240 I get it. Yeah, right, Like Shawshank Redemption, how about 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.000 that one, there's a great prison movie. People feel that ending. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:58.640 They're like, yeah, I'm rooting for that guy who may 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.480 or may not have murdered his wife. By the end, 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.320 we know he didn't, but still, okay, sorry I ruined 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.240 that one anyway. But Migrate is the great escape. That's 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.520 my favorite. Great It has everything. Elizabeth has Steve McQueen 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.960 defeating smug Nazis. There's motorcycle jumps, machine guns. There was 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.640 the Daring Tunnel escape. Of course, there's the French. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.800 Resistance all your favorite things, so totally. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.080 Charles Bronson in a rowboat, James Coburn on a on 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:28.680 a bicycle, Yes, exactly, Bowser Dave gets it now. Second question, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.440 do you have a favorite real life prison escape. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.280 All the ones that we've done on this show. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:37.800 Way to handsome team player. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.920 No, I'm like Rob Low in the NFL. I like 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.520 it all the concept. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.000 I just love escape now these days, the greatest living 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.880 prison escape artist is the man el Myth l Legend 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:50.560 El Choppo. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.960 Oh yeah, oh yeah, those little cool tunnels totally. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:58.880 Joaquin el Choppo Guzman aka Joacine the Shorty Guzman aka 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.439 the Chopped One. Well, he was known at his peak 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.080 as a prison like a rank prison escape artist, just 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.880 dude like he was like a rank bowl but ranked 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.480 prison escape artist. El Choppo escape not once but twice 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:11.920 from maximum security pri. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.040 Didn they have like cute little Tudeland machines. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.960 Yeah, tunnel, I was telling you about that. That's his 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.320 best escape in my opinion. Occurred in July twenty fifteen. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.760 L Chopo. He's locked up in the alta Plano maximum 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.680 security prison. Video surveillance shows l Choppo pacing in a 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.960 cell right and then suddenly he lowers himself into this 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.920 little hole in the shower area, slides down into some 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:34.000 makeshift tunnel and disappears. Now he was in a tunnel 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.360 that his men had been digging under the prison. They 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.480 they've been, you know, waiting for him. They'd prepared was 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.280 a motorcycle like and the motorcycle was a fixed to 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.080 two rails like this own little personal railroad track totally right. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.800 And now the small it looked like one of those 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.439 things outside of a supermarket that you can put exactly. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.319 So the chopped one he gets on this and the 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.000 tunnel is low enough that he wont hit his cup, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.160 so it's like a short little tunnel. He's gotten on 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.040 a little motorbike. He goes brim when he goes tootling 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.120 off down that tunnel. Right, tunnels well made authorities. They 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.760 had estimated it would have taken probably eighteen months to 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.280 two years of like contract labor to get this done. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.800 His men got it done in sixteen months at the maximum, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.079 because that's when he went into the prison. Anyway, to 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.440 hide their work, they had bought land and near the prison. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.080 Then they constructed like an anomaloust looking cinder block building. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.560 It was supposed to be ostensibly a budega to come. 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:27.679 Then they use that to hide their work, which is 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.720 like you know, earth movers and all sorts of stuff. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.720 The subterranean tunnel that they dug, it stretched more than 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.080 a mile long, and then it gets under the tunnel 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.880 right to where his little you know, shower stall is like, 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.520 nailed it right now. Of course, when Choppo finds his 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.160 waiting motorcycle, he revs it up. Of course, races off 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.480 down that it's all lit up the tunnel. He gets 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.640 to know, so he's like, it's a mile long ride, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.240 like it's like an amusement park ride for one right 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.079 and boom he gets to the end. His waiting men 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.160 are like, hey, el Choppo. And now he was recaptured eventually. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.200 You know, we know about that because his you know, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.480 his wife was just released from prison. But he's still 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.240 in an American prison. Very little chance you will ever escape. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.760 The maximum super max prisons are a little bit different 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:08.560 than like say. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.720 A Mexican in Colorado. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.480 I believe so. I do not know, but I think so. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.199 Now the chopped one, since you know, he's a real 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.360 bad guy, so we will not be celebrating him. He 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.880 would definitely smash our one percent rule on murder. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.640 Oh yeah, like his stories. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.320 Any story about a Choppin is like sixty seven percent murder. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.400 Just anyway. Also, by the way, I look this up 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.000 his uh this is kind of I thought ironic. His 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.080 name El Choppo. It can mean many things, right, I 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.240 say it means the chopped one. It doesn't really mean that. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.320 It's from the verb. The verb chapar chapar. It means 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.960 to plate, right, but it means like to plate a meal, right, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.000 so you go, oh yeah, But it also means to play, 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.200 as in to seal something like if you're to veneer 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:51.720 a door. Right, So yeah's like chapar laparta. Right. So 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.720 chappar also means to shut in or to lock up, 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.760 so as in to lock up a criminal, like chap 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.800 dela cuente. Right, So his nickname also means the locked 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:03.320 up one. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.760 Oh anyway, moving on, I'd like to introduce you to 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.480 a man more in line with the spirit of the show, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.480 the prison escape artist Alfred George Hines street name Houdini 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.880 Hines his chosen medium prison escape Now. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.640 Born in nineteen seventeen, he hailed from a criminal artist family. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.160 His father was a practitioner of the light fingered arts, 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.880 a journeyman of theft and robbery, but he made the 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.480 mistake to work in mixed media and he became an 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.760 armed artist. That choice cost his father his freedom and 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.480 eventually left the young Houdini Hines with a father sized 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.600 hole in his life. Yeah, so at age seven, Houdini hines, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.640 he hits the bricks. He ran away from the group 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.640 home that he'd been housed after his father's incarceration, this 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:47.320 newly minted street urchin or he goes in runn oft. Yeah, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.800 seven years old, right, but he doesn't have like the 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.600 car and the little bricks under his feet. He's just 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.360 on the streets now, Houdini hines. He gets into the 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.640 family business, small time theft. He wasn't much better at 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.920 it than his old man, and he gets caught stealing 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.560 once when he was five well, no, sorry seven anyway. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.840 Jane's addiction lyrics socide Elizabeth Houdini hines. He gets locked 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.800 up just like dear old dad right now, but he 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.600 didn't like life on the inside. Now, so once again, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.120 what's he do? He are u n nft this time 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.360 from prison he breaks out or you know, from like 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.440 a group youth Home and anyway, it's like an institution 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.680 for wayward use. Right, So what's next for old Houdini Hines. Well, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.480 he's British and there's a world war going on, oh, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.000 the second of his kind. He was born in nineteen seventeen, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.520 so at this point we're in the late thirties, are 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.280 thirty nine forty, so the second war of this kind, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.640 World war. Since he's a fighting age that they're like, oh, 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.880 we don't care if you've been in the stir you're 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.160 near now in the army. Yeah, so he's off to 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.400 the war. But just like prison, this doesn't work for 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.320 old Houdini Hines. I mean one, he doesn't like uniforms. Two, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.000 he doesn't like being told what to do. He doesn't 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.960 like being told where to eat, when to go to sleep. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.800 So this ruled out prison, ruled out the British Army. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.520 He's like, I got a bounce, right, So he's now 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.360 at this point, what's he going to do, But he's 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.160 in the Army's decide it's not going to work for him. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.080 Well you know the answer, he are U n n oft. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.880 He deserves the British Army. Now still rather young man 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.320 with much life in front of him. Old Houdini hindes 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.520 he needs to find a place for himself amidst the 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.040 flow of life. Naturally, he gravitated back to the family business, 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.840 petty crime, and he gets rested again. Let's take a break, 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.680 and after this I'll tell you about how he launched 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:46.640 his career as a prison escape artist. All right, Elizabeth. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.360 Zarin', they're so angry. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.400 I know. I'm fired up, dude. I love this prison 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.800 escape artists. These are my people's I've been wanting to 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:53.359 tell you about this. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.960 I am vibrating at a higher plane of caffeine. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:56.760 Oh there's that that too. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.399 I'm like a high hot wire. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.920 Yeah, I'm already like pretty high to high wire act. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.600 And then you added caffeine and chocolate, Like I'm buzzing 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:04.919 enough to make cocaine nervous. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.360 How many of those you have you eaten so far? 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:06.480 For? 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.160 What is that bad? When to go? Tell me when 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:12.399 to go? 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.480 It's totally cool, legal cool anyway? 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.760 So where was I? L's right? Who Denie Hines? 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:18.120 Uh huh? 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.040 Getting he's busted. He's no better at crime than his 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.639 old man. So this is nineteen fifty three. At this point, he's, uh, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.240 this time he was busting on a jewel robbery charge. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.879 The store is actually a furniture business. I don't know 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.520 British law. It was called a jewel robbery. Maybe there 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.480 was like necklaces in the furniture store. I don't know 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.679 this I was. I'm compiling it from news stories. Yeah, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.879 made no sense to me anyway. He insisted he was innocent, 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:43.359 and not only that, he wasn't even there, Like, I 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.800 don't even know. I don't even know those dudes my parents, Yes, exactly, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.840 I don't know how I could have been in these anyway, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.560 he promises. After, you know, denying he had anything to 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.560 do with those chaps doesn't matter to the bobbies. They're like, yes, 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.439 so you're going anyway back to prison? So whodini Hines 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.160 is arrested, tried, convicted, done deal. Since twelve years in prison. 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.560 While he's on the inside, he's confronted with a totality 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.720 of himself and he's like, oh, alone with nothing but 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.919 himself his time, he digs into what he knows, he 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.080 pushes past and finds something a new Elizabeth. He finds 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.960 his true artistic medium, prison escape, a way to express 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.680 himself in his moment in the world and in his work, Elizabeth, 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.000 we who appreciate this medium, we find a quote wonderful 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:33.440 all over tactility, you know, Elizabeth, exactly, an undeniable jush. No, Elizabeth, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.120 there's an approachable immediacy to prison escape. You know. Yeah, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.639 the work. It both speaks to the essential and it 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.879