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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did

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Speaker 1: Cool Stuff a podcast. I'm your host, Marta Kiljoyny, and

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Speaker 1: I don't have a tagline. I've never had a tagline.

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Speaker 1: This podcasts no tagline. But I have a guest and

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Speaker 1: it's Ron Blacone. Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi. I also don't have a tagline. So we are

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Speaker 2: a Sands tagline podcast today.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's our tagline is sand No Sands tagline.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 1: But we do have a producer who's name Sophie, who

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Speaker 1: isn't here right now. We also have an audio engineer

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Speaker 1: named Eva, and we all have to say hi to Eva.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Eva, Hello, Eva. I will try to do everything

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Speaker 2: in my power to make your job easy in the future.

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Speaker 1: I've been distributing clicker toys to all my guests to

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Speaker 1: make Eva's life worse. It is fun to try and

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Speaker 1: slowly figure out what I can fiddle with and what

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Speaker 1: I can't fiddle with as a podcaster.

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Speaker 2: Oh totally. It's like, Oh, it turns out click at

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Speaker 2: this pen wasn't a great idea. Who do That's no?

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Speaker 1: And then like trying to explain to people why they

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Speaker 1: can't use headphone mics because every time they touch their

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Speaker 1: hair it crackles.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, those are something.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a total normal problems that everyone has.

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Speaker 1: But Ron has them too, because Ron is a podcaster.

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Speaker 1: Ron has a podcast called one thousand with Ron Plicon

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Speaker 1: that y'all should listen to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, check it out, Margaret, you have been a guest.

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Speaker 2: That was a super fun episode. And yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: podcast where I am on a quest to interview a

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Speaker 2: thousand different people who have inspired me in some way.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be some guests you've heard of, some

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Speaker 2: you haven't. Some are musicians, some are filmmakers, some are activists,

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Speaker 2: some are radical academics, some are just people who have

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Speaker 2: a really fascinating life story. But yeah, they're all stories

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Speaker 2: I want the world to know.

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Speaker 1: So and I think that probably if you listen to

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Speaker 1: this podcast and like the sorts of people that we

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Speaker 1: talk about, you'll probably like Ron's podcast. That's part of

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Speaker 1: why I had.

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Speaker 2: Rod on that is fair. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we're in part two of a story about internationalists

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Speaker 1: fighting and dying in Ukraine, and in part one we

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Speaker 1: talked about Michael Gloss, who died fighting on the wrong

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Speaker 1: side sort of tragically from my position by having gun

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Speaker 1: sucked into nonsense and conspiracy videos. And we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about Dmitri Petrov or Ecologue or Iliya Leshi, the man

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Speaker 1: with all the good names.

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Speaker 2: Are there more names that we haven't hit yet?

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Speaker 1: I think that's it for him though, Oh really I

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Speaker 1: think for him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean three is pretty solid. Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: No in the three whole sets too, right, because like

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Speaker 1: Ilia and Leshi goes by both, Like the website memorial

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Speaker 1: is Leshie dot info. Also, if you play Dungeons and

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Speaker 1: Leshi's which is little forest creatures you can be instead

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Speaker 1: of like an alpha gnome or a human or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Are they good character to take on? I've never played something.

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Speaker 1: I've never played Aleshie.

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Speaker 1: I once made a player really mad because I was

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Speaker 1: setting up this whole world and it was very elaborate

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Speaker 1: and super serious, no smiling and everything was this like

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Speaker 1: were like, I want to play a Leshie who's basically

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Speaker 1: a character from Legend of Zelda. And I was like

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was diagnosed ADHD a little bit later

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Speaker 2: I was diagnosed ADHD. And I never got into dungeons

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Speaker 2: earlier in life, I would have been really into dungeons

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Speaker 1: One of my best friends super ADHD and we would

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Speaker 1: And I was like, how can you focus on this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's how it was explained to me. When

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Speaker 2: a kind of ideal life for an ADHD person. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you know, your early responsibility is just get to

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Speaker 2: I did good in college because it was all stuff

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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean speaking of both of us getting

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Speaker 1: Ili Aleshi probably now has this name. Came back to

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Speaker 1: so he finally got the fuck out of the country

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Speaker 1: and he wrote about it. I don't know the quote

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Speaker 1: stayed as long as I could, but then I figured

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Speaker 1: time to go. And he goes to Ukraine, where he

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Speaker 1: joined a vibrant diasporic anarchist community that was built out

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Speaker 1: of Russian and Belarussian refugees. In twenty twenty, Belarus tried

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Speaker 1: person who has ever been president of modern Belarus since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Lukashenko. These protests didn't succeed either, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: although you know it's like sometimes they do, right, it

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Speaker 1: kind of works in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Can I ask a question if it.

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Speaker 1: Involves Lukashenko's first name, I don't know, because I didn't

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Speaker 2: No, no, No, is there a particular reason why he

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Speaker 2: didn't go further?

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Speaker 1: No, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Like if I got a letter that Trump was after me,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be like, well, I'm just gonna drive two

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Speaker 1: I think that in a lot of ways Ukraine felt

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Speaker 1: with this group I believe it's called the Anarco Communist

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Speaker 1: Combat Organization, and they see themselves as partisans within Russia

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Speaker 1: fighting against Putin, and this is like his life, right

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Speaker 1: And then also I feel like going to Ukraine would

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Speaker 1: are both right now, not big fucking fans of Trump.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: No, So, in some ways, even thoughther geographically closer, Ukraine

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Speaker 1: specifically does not like Putin at this point, you know,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that if he was prioritizing his

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Speaker 1: more work. In this case, what they did was destroy

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Speaker 1: pretty savvy folks. Like it wasn't for lack of trying,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they always focused on the kind of important things.

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Speaker 2: It seems like it's like cops, police stations, surveillance cameras,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the implements of repression are what they're going after, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: which is a good way to get the implements of repression.

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Speaker 1: Mad at you, But it keeps other people safe in

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Speaker 1: the process. Yes, so like he absolutely risk his life

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Speaker 1: a fascist state.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: There are, however, still a ton of people in Belarussian

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Speaker 1: our support. A lot of them are young punks. Specifically,

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Speaker 2: you know, overall, all the European skinheads I know, which

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Speaker 1: When I lived in Amsterdam, I lived with a bunch

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Speaker 1: all goes full circle.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is big time full circle. Is this

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Speaker 1: No, a different, different person, Yeah, right now, this person.

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Speaker 1: I was staying at the squat that we lived at

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Speaker 1: together and they came up to my room and they're like, Magpie,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, are you just making fun of me?

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Speaker 1: Like because I was very aware of the cultural difference

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Speaker 1: do you dress like that? And I'm like, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do those things. He wasn't joking,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't making fun of me.

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Speaker 2: they were too okay, got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But then he was like, someone dropped out of

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Speaker 1: my campaign. I need a new player. And that's how

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Speaker 1: I got back into Dungeons and Dragons after stopping for years.

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Speaker 2: Amsterdam is on my very short list. I've never been,

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Speaker 2: but it's on my short list hopefully for later this year.

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Speaker 1: The nice place, or it was twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: I have a cousin there who've never met. Oh shit,

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Speaker 2: I have an Italian cousin there who I never met,

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Speaker 1: But the main word that every anarchist I knew was okay,

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Speaker 1: all the time, the Serian Civil War was causing a

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Speaker 1: refugee crisis, so in twenty fifteen, Finbarr went off to

438
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: the Greek border to help. He stayed with other volunteers

439
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: in tents and helped all the people who were washing

440
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: up in Europe on dinghies and shit. And this is

441
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: the thing, I know, a bunch of people have done this.

442
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: Just you go and you help out. They just need

443
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: people to go and be like a welcome face in Europe,

444
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: which overall, Europe is kind of doing a similar thing

445
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: as the States, where they're like we want to cause

446
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: trouble all over the world, but then we don't want

447
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: to let anyone come in.

448
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well especially as of for recent Yeah.

449
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, he decided to help a bit more

450
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: directly in the Syrian problem, so he liked Dmitri went

451
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: to Roseeva in Syria. He joined the YPG, the People's

452
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: Protection Units, and fought in a heavy weapons unit in

453
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,479
Speaker 1: the successful war against ISIS. And he took the name Siya.

454
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: And I do not know how to pronounce this, and

455
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely sorry. I think it might be more like THEA,

456
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Speaker 1: but it's a CE with some stuff going on, and

457
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 1: an I and a y in an A and I looked,

458
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: but I couldn't find a pronunciation for it.

459
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Speaker 2: I think C with some stuff going on is the

460
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Speaker 2: official Yeah, I think we got it.

461
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Speaker 1: And it's the Kurdish word for mountain. He wasn't the

462
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: only Irish volunteer over there, and he drew connections between

463
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Speaker 1: the Kurdish and Irish rebels. And I have known for

464
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: a long time that anti colonial rebels all over the

465
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: world saying Irish rebel songs, and the Kurds in Syria

466
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Speaker 1: do it too, And It always makes me happy really, yeah,

467
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: because like I didn't know that the Irish were the

468
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Speaker 1: first people to fight modern imperialism, because modern imperialism was

469
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Speaker 1: born in the UK by colonizing Ireland.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been through some things.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a reason that Ireland is like one of

472
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Speaker 1: the only European countries of the decent position on Palestine,

473
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Speaker 1: you know.

474
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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, yeah, absolutely, And they'll be the first to

475
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Speaker 2: tell you that whenever people ask about there, look at what.

476
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Speaker 1: We've been through, what position do you think exactly, well,

477
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Speaker 1: we've been starved, Like when he fought Isis. He wrote

478
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: about the battle for Raka, which he fought in as

479
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: feeling like what he'd read about the Easter rising. For

480
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: another thing we've covered on the show before, how they

481
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Speaker 1: would move through the buildings in the city and fight

482
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Speaker 1: basically door to door. His unit was ambushed and one

483
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Speaker 1: of them died, and they were treated and held off

484
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Speaker 1: the attackers throughout the night. At no point did he

485
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Speaker 1: tell his family he joined the military.

486
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Speaker 2: There.

487
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Speaker 1: They just saw it when they saw it in the news,

488
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Speaker 1: when there was like the articles about Irish people fighting

489
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Speaker 1: in Roseeva.

490
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Speaker 2: They just saw him there. They're like, man, we knew

491
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Speaker 2: he was quiet, but he didn't even mention this to us.

492
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Speaker 2: Our last zup meat. He was just talking about books

493
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Speaker 2: he was reading. We had no idea. We thought he

494
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Speaker 2: was down the streets.

495
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of annoyed by the number of like Michael

496
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Speaker 1: Gloss also didn't tell his family he was fighting, although

497
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Speaker 1: that makes more sense because what he did is deeply shameful.

498
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, and I get what people

499
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: are like, don't bother telling their family things. But the

500
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: last guy we're going to talk about absolutely told his

501
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: family everything. And I think it's telling that he's the

502
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: black American first, like the irishman is white, you know,

503
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: and the Irish culture is often a little bit cold

504
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: and emotionally reserved. So Finbar fought for the YPG for

505
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: similar reasons that Dmitri fought for Ukraine. Some Putin apologists

506
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: will try to claim that the Russian invasion Ukraine is

507
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: preemptive defense against NATO, right, even though Ukraine is an

508
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: in NATO, and also preemptive defense is a really strange

509
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: reason to give for killing a bunch of people who

510
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: live in their own houses. Finbar, in an interview with

511
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: the Irish paper rabble said quote. When I learned that

512
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Speaker 1: the Islamic State was being facilitated financially and militarily by

513
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Speaker 1: the Turkish state in its attacks on the Kurds in

514
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: Syria and Iraq, I realized that this was only made

515
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: possible by the connivance of its NATO allies in the EU,

516
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: who turn a blind eye in return for Turkey stopping

517
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Speaker 1: Syrian refugees reaching Europe. As an EU citizen, this made

518
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: me complicit in the horrors perpetrated by the Islamic State

519
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: in the territory controls, and I wasn't happy about that.

520
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: So he sees the fact that he's in NATO or

521
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: in the EU as complicity with war crime. Right, So

522
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: he's not saying like NATO good because Russia bad. He's

523
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: actually just like looking at what's happening.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, totally, which is again, that's a full

525
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: picture approach, which.

526
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Speaker 1: Is what you should do before you start shooting people.

527
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

528
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: If you're gonna pick up a gun, you can't just

529
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: be like, my ideology tells me that this is what

530
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: I should do.

531
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Speaker 2: You know, totally. Yeah, the above preliminary work is a

532
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: good idea.

533
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Speaker 1: And so he comes back. He's living on his own

534
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: on the island for a while, or maybe with other people.

535
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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's living in a nice stonehouse on

536
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Speaker 1: an island. Sounds very dreamy to me. Russia invades Ukraine

537
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: and the anarchists were fighting to stop it. So he

538
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: went to help, and he didn't go join the military

539
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: there for a long time. He went and did support work.

540
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: He would fix up vehicles, he would deliver supplies from

541
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Speaker 1: Poland to Ukraine. He worked with all of these like

542
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: basically these different like punk collectives went from like throwing

543
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: shows to delivering supplies to fighters in Ukraine, especially to

544
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Speaker 1: the anti authoritarian units.

545
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there was a big article about that.

546
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: Like they basically formed an entire like collective. I don't

547
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Speaker 2: know how extensive it was, if it was all over

548
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: the country or like a specific region, but yeah, they

549
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: just basically, based on the venue routing and whatnot, just

550
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: started doing extensive mutual aid. And yeah, I mean, those

551
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: are the stories that are just really really fricking powerful,

552
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: and I think of the takeaways people should.

553
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Have, you know, totally, like if you can organize a show,

554
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: you can organize politically, and you can organize mutual aid,

555
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't stop organizing shows. Shows are great, but

556
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: don't sell yourself short. Like the skills that we use

557
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: to navigate our social circles are similar to the skills

558
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: that we can use to change the world to political organizing.

559
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 2: I still think I learned all of life's most valuable

560
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: lessons at punk show.

561
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, pick up the people who fall down and like, yeah.

562
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean totally. That's not to say it was

563
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: all yeah good. There was plenty of not great stuff too,

564
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: like anything where a bunch of people gathered.

565
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: But totally. He actually one of the groups he worked

566
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: with was called XVX Tacticade, so straight edge vegan that's

567
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: what XVX means. He worked with solidarity collectives and anti

568
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: authoritarian support Network for the front lines, and people would

569
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: ask him what he was doing, like he would just

570
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: he spent like a year just like driving supplies the

571
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: front lines and shit, And people would ask him what

572
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: he was doing and he would be like, well, I

573
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: have time and I can be useful here, and like,

574
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: I think it was kind of as simple as that

575
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: to him. When you actually got him talking, he could

576
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: tell you all about the history we have Irish republicanism.

577
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: He could tell you all about democratic and federalism in Syria.

578
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: He could tell you all of these things. Right, But

579
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: everyone who talked about him talked over and over about

580
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: his incredible modesty. People only slowly came to learn all

581
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: of the amazing adventures of this life.

582
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: He seems like a guy where he's an open book,

583
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: but you gotta ask. Yeah, so if you ask, well,

584
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: why are you doing this, he's just going to answer

585
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: that yet, And if you want him to expand, well

586
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: you got to ask more questions. He's there, he'll answer,

587
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: but you got to ask.

588
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: One of the people who wrote about him actually specifically,

589
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't ask him enough yet there was

590
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: still so much more, you know, and like one of

591
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: the reasons I really like this about him. When you

592
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: describe this kind of character based on the actions that

593
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: led up to this moment, you're not always describing my

594
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: favorite kind of person. Super activists can be kind of annoying, sure,

595
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: and like, especially when they're full of themselves and they're like, oh,

596
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I've been everywhere, I've done this, I've done that, and

597
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: I have all the answers and everyone should have sex

598
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: with me or whatever.

599
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: You know, and my vision for change is the only

600
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: one that will temporally work, and so I am leaving

601
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: any group that doesn't see it one hundred percent totally.

602
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: And he is exactly not that guy. And that was

603
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: like one of my favorite things to realize about him.

604
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: And then after a year of delivering stuff, there's not

605
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: a lot that people know about because he didn't talk

606
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: about this with Oh, it's because of Irish culture. I

607
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: was like, he didn't talk about his like emotional decision making,

608
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, right, as previously discussed, but he

609
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: was called to fight. He moved from delivering stuff and

610
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: picked up a gun. She had done before in Syria,

611
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: but he did again.

612
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: And now.

613
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: What you could pick up instead of a gun, unless

614
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: our sponsors are guns, is whatever our sponsors are selling.

615
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: Use whatever our sponsors are selling to fight fascism. That's

616
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: your job.

617
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: Now.

618
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: If it's sports gambling, good luck, probably just don't sports gamble.

619
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: It's probably addictive and bad. But here's our ads, and

620
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: they haven't fired me for saying that yet, and we're back.

621
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: The last person of a three d internationalists who were

622
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: killed on the same day I know the least about

623
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: and this makes me sad because I wish I had

624
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: about four times as much time per episode. Because this

625
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: last guy, my friends were friends with them.

626
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I know.

627
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: People who knew the other two as well. But like

628
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: this person helps start the infoshop that I'm going to

629
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: go talk at tomorrow.

630
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

631
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: And as we record this, as you're listening, sorry you

632
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: already missed it. Cooper was an American from Ohio. Cooper

633
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: Andrews was his name, and he was twenty six years

634
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: old when he died, and he was an Eagle Scout.

635
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: As a kid. He started getting involved in radical politics

636
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: and he actually joined the Marines. I don't recommend this,

637
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not trying to talk shit either. He joined

638
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: the Marines after he became a radical because he wanted

639
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: to gain the skills to become an internationalist volunteer.

640
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: That is quite a strategy, that is. Yeah, I get

641
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: what you're saying. I don't think I would recommend that

642
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: to anybody.

643
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Especially right now.

644
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially right now. But bad, that is a really

645
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: long form strategy to do something.

646
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: He took it very seriously. He sent back funds from

647
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: his soldier's salary to help fund So there's a place

648
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: in Cleveland called Riizome House and it's a community center

649
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: that I've done a bunch of talks at and I'll

650
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: be at Well, it's useless to point out because of

651
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: May second, which is in the past as you're listening,

652
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: but I'll be there again sometime. And his collective mates

653
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: when they talk about how like when they were getting

654
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: the project going, it was really hard. They didn't have

655
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Speaker 1: enough money for brick and and they were like, what

656
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: are we going to do and we should just give up.

657
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Cooper was always there being like, no, we're we're going

658
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: to do this. We're going to get it done, and

659
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: he sent back his funds from his soldier's salary to

660
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Speaker 1: start this infoshop. Infoshop's a fancy word for banarchist community space.

661
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: And he was a black autonomous from Cleveland Heights and

662
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: he worked endlessly on mutual aid projects, supporting people in

663
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: housing projects in Cleveland. He worked as a Wildlands firefighter,

664
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Speaker 1: and then when Russia invaded Ukraine, he volunteered. He worked

665
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: a full contract with the Foreign Legion and then he

666
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: decided to stay and fight alongside the Resistance Committee, which

667
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: was the Anti authoritarian platoon. Basically like that thing that

668
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: got started kept shifting and is still shifting, but still exists.

669
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: They are still anti authoritarian units within the Ukrainian military,

670
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: unlike some of these other people. Regular communication with his mom.

671
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: She knew a lot about his life and they were close.

672
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Was she cool with it? She? I mean as cool

673
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: as a mom could be. Obviously, she's proud of her kid. Yeah, okay, And.

674
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Speaker 1: I'll talk about a little bit at the end about

675
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: how she's handled stuff since his death. But she's proud

676
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: of her kid. He texted his friend while he was fighting, quote,

677
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: in our hands, there is a world to win, in

678
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: a fight which requires great sacrifice for us and everybody

679
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: else who faces the shadow of fascist aggression. There's only

680
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: victory or death. And he signed it off love and struggle.

681
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: He also wrote about his decision quote Putin's imperialism represents

682
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: a great purveyor of fascism, regardless of what certain weak

683
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: willed turncoats may say while they stain the name of

684
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: anti fascism. A victory here for Putin will not only

685
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: plunge this region into a dark period of authoritarianism from

686
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: which there will be no escape, but it will also

687
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: represent a victory for those who seek to recast the

688
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: world in the image of the old, and I mean,

689
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: I think that's accurate. I don't think there's ever a

690
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: moment where there's no escape. But like, I think that

691
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: Putin winning is absolutely a win for authoritarianism. And the

692
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: idea that he's like trying to recast the world in

693
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: the image of the old is so.

694
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: True.

695
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: Like he sees himself as part of the legacy of

696
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: the czars and shit, you know, m hm. And then

697
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: he's fighting with the Resistance Committee and well they died,

698
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: you know that part Already there was a path known

699
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: as the Road of Life that was the only thing

700
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: connecting Bakmut from the rest of Ukraine. I don't know

701
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: all the ins and out of this battle. At the

702
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: Battle of Bakmut has been presented as the bloodiest battle

703
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: in Europe since World War Two.

704
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

705
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Speaker 1: The Road of Life is like the way that refugees

706
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: got out and is the way that they would evacuate

707
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: the city. It also is the way that they would

708
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: get supplies and soldiers into. It's been described that defending

709
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: it was the most dangerous assignment around and these three

710
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: internationalist fighters volunteered to protect it and they were killed

711
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: by mortars their bodies couldn't be recovered for quite some time.

712
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: A Ukrainian soldier named Andre said, quote, it's almost impossible

713
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to do that, and we even had a so called

714
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: agreement between Russian troops and her own allocation team was

715
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: entering to pick up the bodies and they were immediately shot.

716
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

717
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, their deaths made international news. The Russian embassy in

718
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: Ireland made this whole big deal out of it, where

719
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: it blamed their death on Ireland as a country having

720
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: bad politics. It's so, of course, oh and fucking Ireland

721
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: as a country. So as anarchist has died, and not

722
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: only do the news articles about him, is if this

723
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: was an American and you see it with the articles

724
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: about Cooper, they don't mention his politics by name.

725
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: You know.

726
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: The Irish newspapers are like, oh, he was an anarchist,

727
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: and they also have to explain it a little bit

728
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: because like it's not like Ireland's like land of everyone

729
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: knows what anarchism is, right sure, but they're like not

730
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: hiding it. And when this anarchist died and Russia's trying

731
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: to use it against the Irish government, more than one

732
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: elected politician in the Irish Parliament came to speak out

733
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: in defense of their friend, the anarchist Finbar, because more

734
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: than one of them knew him personally.

735
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Nice. Every now and again you see something like that

736
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: from Ireland, this kind of just subversive statement by someone

737
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: who actually has electoral Yeah, and you're just going, wow,

738
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: it is possible.

739
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: I mean, and they have a history of like they're

740
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: elected politicians not being able to serve because they're in

741
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: prison for fighting against the UK, you know, and like

742
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: Ireland is also like everywhere considering hardcore racist nationalism and

743
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: anti immigrants sentiment and all this stuff.

744
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: You know, oh totally yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not all

745
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: roses anyway.

746
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: But there are documentaries about Finbar. There's one in the

747
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: Irish language about his death. Plus there's a documentary about Rojeva,

748
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: and they're not afraid to let his brother describe what

749
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: Nark is a meant to Finbar, someone who wants to

750
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: build a new, cooperative, non hierarchical society. Cooper's mother, Willow Andrews,

751
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: put up a fundraiser in her son's name, not to

752
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: raise money for herself or for her funeral expenses, which

753
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: would have been entirely appropriate and fully in deserving of support,

754
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: but to continue her son's work. This is when when

755
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: you asked what mom thinks of it? Yeah, she writes

756
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: quote as a baby, Cooper never crawled, he rolled, he scooted,

757
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: and then he ran. And it was at that point

758
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I knew I was in for it. My son spent

759
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: the next twenty six years of his life running headlong

760
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: into difficult conversations, fighting for causes he cared about and

761
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: ideas he found vital.

762
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: That's quite the uli. I know, it's pretty amazing. Yeah.

763
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: The fundraiser was for a lot of things we've talked

764
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: about on the show. It was for a group called

765
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Mutual Aid Disaster Relief, which is a decentralized anarchist disaster

766
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: relief network that I've worked with some not enough to

767
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: like give myself credit, but rather to say, like, these

768
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: people are cool and I've worked with them. Riizome House,

769
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: which is the infoshop her son started, and Food Not

770
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Bombs maybe the pre eminent mutual Aid group in the world.

771
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: And then as for Dimitri, I don't know as much

772
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: about his family I would like to, especially his father.

773
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I just know that his father taught him

774
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: about radical Russian history. But he wrote a letter to

775
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: be published in case of his death, and in it

776
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: he wrote, quote, I firmly believe that the struggle for justice,

777
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: against oppression and injustice is one of the most worthy

778
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: meanings that humans can fill their life with, and this

779
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: struggle requires sacrifices up to complete self sacrifice. The best

780
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: memory for me is if you continue to actively struggle

781
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: overcoming per small ambitions and unnecessary, harmful strife, if you

782
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: continue to fight actively to achieve a free society based

783
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: on equality and solidarity for you and me, for all

784
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: of our comrades, risk, deprivation and sacrifice on this path

785
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: are our constant companions. But be sure they are not

786
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: in vain Finbar's I've read a bunch of different things

787
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: about whether his body made it back to Ireland, but

788
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: there's a memorial service for him, and there's a growing

789
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: Ukrainian presence in Ireland because of the refugee crisis caused

790
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: by the invasion of Ukraine. And hundreds of people came

791
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: to his memorial and forty of them were from Ukraine

792
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: and they brought a wreath saying like basically like thank

793
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: you all of Ukraine, thanks you, and I love that

794
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: back in Ireland is building these connections between people from

795
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: different countries.

796
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's so fascinating to be too, because

797
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: you have seen that in different times throughout history, especially

798
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: when it's particular to the Irish. I mean, the first

799
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: thing that comes to my mind is something like the

800
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Battalion, you know, when they saw what the

801
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: United States was doing and so they said, you know,

802
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: we're going to fight for Mexico, even though we know

803
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: we're basically going to our deaths. We're going to fight

804
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: for Mexico because we've seen this type of repression before

805
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: and we're not going to be on that side because

806
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: we've seen this before.

807
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Well, now you're just spoiling because that has been a

808
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: future friend of the pod. I've been wanting to cover

809
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: the Saint Patrick's Battalion since I started the show, and

810
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: I still haven't done it yet.

811
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: Oh, it's such a cool I'm just.

812
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: Afraid of being a little too like Irish history with Margaret.

813
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: You know, it is such a good story. It's an

814
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: incredible story that not a lot of people know about.

815
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: No. I think, God, you know Saint Patrick's Stay, You're

816
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: not going to hear many people talking about that person.

817
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the battalion that fought against America.

818
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, as they're drinking domestic beer at a given bar.

819
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hear about that too. En. Maybe somewhere,

820
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: I mean I shouldn't a sue, yea know, I like, yeah,

821
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: some people do. And somewhere there's a dude in Boston

822
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: and all of his friends are telling him to show yeah.

823
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, no, actually, our legacy is leftist

824
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: and people like, shut up, just wear green. We're white now,

825
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: fuck you. And so the last quote I want to

826
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: end with is also from Dimitri from Ilia Leshi, and

827
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: it's from another one of his articles, called to be

828
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: a Revolutionary and was published by The Anarchist Combatant in

829
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, which I believe is the outlet that the

830
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: Anarchic Communists combat brigade the Partisans in Russia put out.

831
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 2: Quote.

832
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: I want to remind all pessimists that there are no

833
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: objective reasons for considering the social revolution and the triumph

834
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: of anti authoritarian ideas to be reserved for an indefinitely

835
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: distant future. The speed and unpredictability of social change in

836
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: the modern world teaches us one important lesson everything is possible,

837
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: including freedom and justice. And this one resonated really hard

838
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: with me as someone who does all this research for

839
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: the show, because I do tend to have this like, well,

840
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: everything is really slow. Like I mean, when I was young,

841
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, we're gonna do this overnight, and

842
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: then I was like, Oh, everything's really slow. What it

843
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: is is that everything's up in the air, like things

844
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: stay the same and then they change in a moment.

845
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: I think that last quote is especially important right now

846
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: with what we're going through, especially in the contemporary American society.

847
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: We're finding out that first of all, laws don't mean

848
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: that much if nobody's going to enforce them. Unfortunately, we're

849
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: learning that in a bad way. Yeah, we're taking very

850
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: bad institutions and replacing them with something worse, which is

851
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: the opposite direction. But you know, the kind of glimmer

852
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: of I guess hope is well, if it could be

853
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: replaced with something bad, it could also be replaced with

854
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: something better. Change is really slow until it is.

855
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could read about this moment in American history

856
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: one hundred years from now and look back and people

857
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: could be like, oh, yeah, and then things got real bad.

858
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: For a moment and politics became completely unmoored from the

859
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: status quo. And then people change things dramatically, you know,

860
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: in a positive way like that. You know, we could

861
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: get our Star Trek future or whatever it is that

862
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: you're dreaming of.

863
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we totally could. I don't want to

864
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: say what I would put my money on, because I

865
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: don't want to kill the momentum.

866
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: No, no, no no, But it's always worth like even

867
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: when you don't expect to win, you fight to win totally.

868
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: And this is true in sport, it's true in hurling.

869
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm certain as an expert, you know, no matter, I.

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Speaker 2: Am so far from an expert. Yeah too, But you

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Speaker 2: just put it out there hobbyists.

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Speaker 1: I've just seen it in that movie Win Shakes the Barley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I did a lot more research for the show, this

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Speaker 1: particular episode, but I'm going to put it into a

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Speaker 1: different Epis said later. There's a whole legacy of resistance

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Speaker 1: from within Putin's Russia. That was the thing I was

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Speaker 1: originally going to cover with this. People's political positions are

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Speaker 1: not determined by their nationality. There is partisan struggle happening

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00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: right now inside Russia against Putin there are teenagers spending

881
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Speaker 1: years in prison for posting poems to walls, and there

882
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Speaker 1: are also people launching DIY drones against Russian military infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the future is not yet determined. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the last social media posts. I'm not one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent sortin about this, I think one of Cooper's

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Speaker 1: last social media posts.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that meme?

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Speaker 1: It's a still from I think a video game, is

889
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: a very realistic video game. It's a guy in a

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00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: mask and a tank and he says like, hey friend,

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Speaker 1: I know the world is scary right now, and then

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Speaker 1: he looks like close up and he goes, but it's

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Speaker 1: going to get way worse. Have you seen that?

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Speaker 2: M I mean, it's not ringing a bill, but I'd

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Speaker 2: imagine if I saw it to be, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that one lives rent free in my head. But

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Speaker 1: but there's an inversion of it that I believe Cooper posted.

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Speaker 1: I only have someone said that he posted it, which is,

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Speaker 1: hey friend, I know the world is really dark right now.

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Speaker 1: But and then the next line is something like, but

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Speaker 1: the future is undetermined and is based on what we

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Speaker 1: do and the decisions we make.

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Speaker 2: Amen. I mean, yeah, I think that is the best

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Speaker 2: way to look at things all the time, but especially

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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah. Well that's what I got for you.

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Speaker 1: That's four people who call themselves anti fascists who died

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine, three of them fighting against fascism, although in

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Speaker 1: a complicated, morally gray area of fighting for what they

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Speaker 1: believe to be the lesser evil, as.

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Speaker 2: It often is. Yeah. Wow, that's an interesting web that

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Speaker 2: was woven.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Well, uh guy, any thing you want to plug

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Speaker 1: here at the end?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the road a little bit. I'll be in

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Speaker 2: Seattle May twenty third, and then I'll be doing the

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Speaker 2: Hollywood Fringe Festival with my next production, which is a

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Speaker 2: stage play that's a scathing commentary of the American healthcare system.

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Speaker 2: You can get tickets and all information at romplicone dot com.

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Speaker 2: And I have a movie out that I'm really excited about.

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Speaker 2: It's called Left It Wall. If you like quirky indie

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Speaker 2: comedies that skewer Wall Street and are from an anti

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Speaker 2: capitalist perspective, you'll like this movie. You can find it

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Speaker 2: on Apple TV, YouTube Movies, Amazon, Google Play. It's out

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Speaker 2: there and please check it out. It's Left at Wall.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not sure, where to find it. You

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Speaker 2: can just go to my website romplicode dot com and

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Speaker 2: it says where you can find.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and if you want, I'm probably going to

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Speaker 1: write a whole essay that is the essay that started

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Speaker 1: all this, and it probably came out today while you

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Speaker 1: listen to this, and if it didn't, then you can

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Speaker 1: yell at me, but I'll ignore you. But you can

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Speaker 1: check it out on my substock which is Marter Kiljoy

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Speaker 1: dot substock dot com, and that's where I post things,

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Speaker 1: and almost all of it's free. There's some like more

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Speaker 1: personal posts that are behind a paywall, but all of

939
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Speaker 1: my stuff that I think matters is free. So you

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Speaker 1: can check that out and I'll see you all next

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Speaker 1: week with more Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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