Speaker 1: My lead. Bugs has how the knowledge you want, Lee,
Speaker 1: but has how the knowledge you need La Bus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have all the books that the whole wild world
Speaker 1: want to read. Malik Bugs. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Malik's
Speaker 1: Book Show, bringing a world together with books, culture and community. Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is Malik, your host of Malik's Bookshelf. Were
Speaker 1: on episode thirty one and I assure you it's fire.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of interviews lined up. A couple
Speaker 1: of particular to those interviews is with a young lady
Speaker 1: by the name of Tina Sanfy, otherwise known as a
Speaker 1: k a slossing girl who has her is to the
Speaker 1: streets and is a community activists. Another interview of note
Speaker 1: is Catherine Attorney Katherine co Vote, who wrote the book
Speaker 1: Controlling Women, What we Must do now to save reproductive freedom.
Speaker 1: She has spoken before the Supreme Court. She's an attorney
Speaker 1: and she's a I guess you could say, an activists
Speaker 1: for reproductive rights of women. So I had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of interviewing her at the TAD Talk and I had
Speaker 1: not released that interview. I think this is probably the
Speaker 1: most important time to release this since the protests and
Speaker 1: the uproard is taking place all over this country and
Speaker 1: Katherine and her thoughts about this. I was able to
Speaker 1: interview her and some of the things that she talked
Speaker 1: about has come to pass. So I'm gonna feature that
Speaker 1: interview on here as well as as well as people
Speaker 1: from the community also had my thoughts about Rod versus
Speaker 1: Wade A divided country, and that's gonna be my title
Speaker 1: for this episode. Roll versus Way A divided Country. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in the streets and I got Sloss the girl
Speaker 1: on the phone, and I need to ask you because
Speaker 1: you got your ears to the ground, you out in
Speaker 1: the community, that's what you wrap. And I need to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts about all these protests about the voices,
Speaker 1: Roll versus Way. I need to get you on record.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what's happening in the streets, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think about it. Right, definitely, well,
Speaker 1: UM first and foremost, you know, I appreciate you UM
Speaker 1: reaching out to you know, hear my thoughts about this
Speaker 1: definite you know, tragic and backwards movement UM that we're
Speaker 1: going as a country. So I know that the women's
Speaker 1: rights issue is definitely UM one that is a point
Speaker 1: of concern right now with you know, role versus way, um,
Speaker 1: being taken out of the Supreme Court and kind of
Speaker 1: be giving back to the states, um, to have jurisdiction
Speaker 1: over whom they can have abortions or not. And I can't,
Speaker 1: for the life of me understand why they would want
Speaker 1: to do this, um, you know, and especially right now
Speaker 1: considering just everything that we're dealing with as a country
Speaker 1: in terms of like you know, the inflation and the
Speaker 1: high gas prices and just all of just the every day, um,
Speaker 1: day to day things that it's making you know, life
Speaker 1: hard for average Americans. And then now women have to
Speaker 1: go out here and protest um for women's rights and
Speaker 1: autonomy over their bodies. UM. And so you know, first
Speaker 1: and foremost women people, UM, women in general, because we're
Speaker 1: talking about women should have autonomy over their bodies. That's
Speaker 1: you know, that's nothing, um, that's undeniable, that's nothing that
Speaker 1: can be disputed, you know what I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 1: really like to get into the personal you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like anti pro choice or you know, like I think
Speaker 1: women should have choice over their body. I just can't
Speaker 1: for the life of me understand why, um, this will
Speaker 1: be happening right now. I don't talk all it, like
Speaker 1: you said, rising guys, gas prices and all any other
Speaker 1: illness is taking place, UM right why now I can.
Speaker 1: But um, I know that, UM, when they first opened
Speaker 1: up a lot of abortion clinics, the majority of was
Speaker 1: in the Black commember. Any thoughts on that, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts on that. You know.
Speaker 1: So again it's like, you know, I try to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, not get into the you know, like the
Speaker 1: personal kind of like feelings, UM, and just kind of
Speaker 1: have a general like okay, yeah, no matter like my
Speaker 1: personal view. I don't want to be getting into debates
Speaker 1: with people about um, you know, kind of like the
Speaker 1: genesis of planned parenthood in this country and you know, eugenics,
Speaker 1: UM and all of that, which is kind of like
Speaker 1: the foundation for what planned parenthood today is, even though
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's definitely not like the same
Speaker 1: exact framework as when Margaret Singer was pushing planned parenthood
Speaker 1: and going to you know, black leaders and black churches
Speaker 1: to um make planned parenthood and UM and abortions and
Speaker 1: things like that see appeal to black communities. You know
Speaker 1: that it's far from that now. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's hard for me, UM, as somebody that studies history
Speaker 1: and institutional racism and just white supremacy in general. I
Speaker 1: cannot not think of that when I think of and
Speaker 1: here abortions like Margaret Singer, all of that comes into
Speaker 1: play eugenics because I'm aware of that history. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if the average person UM makes that connection or
Speaker 1: if they even find any relevancy in that. UM. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, black people, black women, UM, they say, especially
Speaker 1: in the inner city, are leading in abortion rates, you know. UM.
Speaker 1: And then if we consider all, um, you know, the
Speaker 1: ways in which black people are experiencing genocide in general,
Speaker 1: you know, whether that's through state sanction violence or UM,
Speaker 1: you know, lack of UM equitable access to healthcare or
Speaker 1: even just you know, UM income or healthy food actions
Speaker 1: like all of these things that UM effect are UM birthrates.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just like a lot. So I
Speaker 1: think that as black people, especially from the inner city,
Speaker 1: that we should be focusing more on creating life. You know. UM,
Speaker 1: it's black people dying in inner cities every day, you know.
Speaker 1: And so UM however, UM, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: the quality of life has to be improved for black people,
Speaker 1: black women for us to really um see that as
Speaker 1: uh to see life, um, to see bringing more life
Speaker 1: into the black community as something that we need to
Speaker 1: do because you know a lot of women are choosing
Speaker 1: not to have children because of financial reasons. You know.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, so all of that, you know,
Speaker 1: so again all of that, I just try to have
Speaker 1: a baseline. You know, women should have autonomy over their
Speaker 1: body no matter my personal you know, viewpoints, because of
Speaker 1: my lived experiences you know, would shape your your viewpoints. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just not to go into a hole still
Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, I think it's a very tricky issue,
Speaker 1: especially when you um it's I mean that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's divided the country, as if it's not already
Speaker 1: divided already. You know, it's just you know, people are
Speaker 1: very very very divisive when it comes to these kind
Speaker 1: of issues right now, you know, Um, it's just only
Speaker 1: escalating and people being hurt, and rides are taking place
Speaker 1: and and protests is taking place, and you know, some
Speaker 1: people being hurt, and you know, it's one of those
Speaker 1: issues that people are really uh upset and and it's
Speaker 1: on both sides. On boat that's the thing. People are
Speaker 1: have strong opinions on both sides of this, and so, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we go from here, but I
Speaker 1: don't believe abortion is going away right either way. You know.
Speaker 1: I think that the people should just be a little
Speaker 1: bit more aware of how it just seems like it
Speaker 1: just for me, it just feels like the government putting
Speaker 1: us through like mental stimulations from like all of these
Speaker 1: social issues. It's like, you know, first with um, the
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, you know, and um, now with the
Speaker 1: whole abortion rights, and I feel like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that our government has a lot more responsibility
Speaker 1: in terms of like manufacturing this chaos basically when they
Speaker 1: definitely ain't bringing the people together. It's their decisions more.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tina, thank you for you know, your thoughts
Speaker 1: on this. I'm gonna cute this up. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: it on Melik's book share bringing the World together the books,
Speaker 1: culture and communally. And you heard it lie from Tina
Speaker 1: Santi known as a Ka Slawson Girl. Last week I
Speaker 1: celebrated Black Excellence. I was present and attended the House
Speaker 1: of BT, which is part of the b ET Awards
Speaker 1: ceremonies that happen every year. I was part of the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Bowl Jazz Exhibit, which was celebrating one hundred years
Speaker 1: of jazz at the Hollywood Bowl. In the midst of
Speaker 1: all the celebrating black excellence was this uproar and movement
Speaker 1: all across this nation. People are protesting and speaking out,
Speaker 1: particularly woman about abortion. Now I normally don't talk about
Speaker 1: these types of issues because my platform on Malik's Bookshelf
Speaker 1: is to talk about subject matters thinking unite us, not
Speaker 1: divide us, and abortion is one of those subject matters
Speaker 1: that is divisive, and it divides the community and separates
Speaker 1: the community, and we must find a way to bridge
Speaker 1: the gaps that cause division. So I normally started, you know,
Speaker 1: stay away from subject matters like that because I want
Speaker 1: to use Belief's Bookshelf to bring the community together and
Speaker 1: talk about things that are positive in the community. We
Speaker 1: can always talk about all the negative things that go
Speaker 1: on and plude believe it or not, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, and that stuff is being taught twenty
Speaker 1: four seven on cable on news. So I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to be different. But people are taking the streets and
Speaker 1: people are protesting because of this decision that the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court just made over Row versus Way, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people say, oh, this is the end of Roll
Speaker 1: versus Way, meaning that abortions are legal, meaning that the states,
Speaker 1: you know, the federal government is the law of land.
Speaker 1: So when the Supreme Court or Congress, you know what,
Speaker 1: Congress says the laws of the land, and the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court interprets the law of the land and enforces the
Speaker 1: law of the land. So when it comes to this abortion,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interpretation of the Constitution and the
Speaker 1: rights of human beings. And basically this decision is allowing
Speaker 1: states to decide who has rights to decide on certain
Speaker 1: things that leads federal government is not supposed to infringe upon.
Speaker 1: So anyway, this kind of this decision, my understanding, is
Speaker 1: just basically throwing the case back to the state, the
Speaker 1: right to choose and to have abortions back to every state.
Speaker 1: So fifty states can all of a sudden now make
Speaker 1: instead of a federal mandate or interpretation which protects people
Speaker 1: rights uh as it relates to abortion. Um, Now each
Speaker 1: state can have their own presidents, their own policies, laws,
Speaker 1: and how they mandate abortions and so UM, Personally, I
Speaker 1: don't believe abortion is going away. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: every state is going to abolish abortions. I think that
Speaker 1: each state is going to decide what's best for their
Speaker 1: state and people. We'll move around and do what they
Speaker 1: want to do regardless. So I don't think personally, I
Speaker 1: don't think nothing's gonna change. People say, oh, this is
Speaker 1: just the beginning and this and that and that, but list,
Speaker 1: I don't think nothing's gonna change. I think there are
Speaker 1: certain states. I live in California and it's liberal, and
Speaker 1: I think that abortion is going to continue as it
Speaker 1: always now. In terms of terms, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: as far as other states, they might be a little
Speaker 1: bit more stricter and have terms on you know, like
Speaker 1: the heartbeat, so it wants to baby or fetus or
Speaker 1: umber whatever you wanna call it as a heartbeat. Therefore,
Speaker 1: you can't have an abortion unless it is under you know,
Speaker 1: certain circumstances like maybe rape or hand or disease, you know,
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Um, But I personally don't
Speaker 1: think it's going away. UM. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: the end. Uh efining to think that, UM, A lot
Speaker 1: of this is political and a lot of it has
Speaker 1: to do a lot of money is involved in this,
Speaker 1: um and there's a lot of old money involved in this,
Speaker 1: and people don't like change and sudden change is can
Speaker 1: be destructive and devastating, So people taking to the streets,
Speaker 1: people of marching. But abortion has been devastated in the
Speaker 1: black community, you know, and a lot of these headlines
Speaker 1: don't address that. It's been devastating. Um. You know, we
Speaker 1: have a lot of issues in the black community, in
Speaker 1: the black family, and abortion is one of them. And
Speaker 1: you can sugarcoat it all you want, but that's been
Speaker 1: very destructive and devastating to Black women, whether we like
Speaker 1: to hear that or not. Um, this is just one
Speaker 1: more major issue that has called the devil. Has been
Speaker 1: one of the reasons the blah Black community has been
Speaker 1: decimated and this and and been affected in an adverse way.
Speaker 1: A lot of money, you know, has been thrown you
Speaker 1: know when they started, uh, these abortion clinics, you know
Speaker 1: eight percent of them was in the black men. They
Speaker 1: you know, it was targeting black women. I'm not making
Speaker 1: this up. Do your own research. Do your own research.
Speaker 1: Black women have been targeted for these types of policies
Speaker 1: in this country and abortion and birth control. You know,
Speaker 1: they had Euphenasia. They took a in America where they
Speaker 1: was castrating the stern as and black people because they
Speaker 1: felt that we were genetically prone to um crime. So
Speaker 1: therefore stop them from having children. Therefore we can decrease
Speaker 1: this crime. This is the historical facts of America. So
Speaker 1: we've been targeted for sterilization and birth control is one
Speaker 1: of those mechanisms that have has has been used in
Speaker 1: order to stop the reproduction of black youth and babies
Speaker 1: and families. I'm just being real likely to leave it alone.
Speaker 1: But there's a different, different battle cries, and it's when
Speaker 1: it's not all the same, it's not all the same.
Speaker 1: So um, when it comes to this abortion, it's a
Speaker 1: real divisive issue that devised people that don't bring I
Speaker 1: don't think that people who ever don't see uh this
Speaker 1: on the same page. I just think you have to
Speaker 1: get to the point of respect one another's position. I
Speaker 1: don't know ultimately what's going to become with all these
Speaker 1: protests and all this outrage, um, but I know that
Speaker 1: and the abortion ain't going away, and I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, let cool heads prevail now I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: it to the streets and I'm gonna ask the community.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask them their thoughts on this subject matter
Speaker 1: of abortion and see what the streets I have to say.
Speaker 1: Malika is in the streets asking more people about the
Speaker 1: protests and Row versus Wade and what their thoughts of
Speaker 1: aut abortion. How you doing, man, good, good goods. Please
Speaker 1: speak to my artists about your thoughts on these protests
Speaker 1: and abortion and go versus Way. Well, I mean I actually, um,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see it happened, but um, just looking
Speaker 1: for results actually, you know, that's all I'm well on
Speaker 1: that meets the people halfway, you know, like, um, hopefully
Speaker 1: they can resolve it in a way that meets what
Speaker 1: the people want are wanting. What's your thoughts are? Do
Speaker 1: you agree with the Supreme Court decision? Um, they say
Speaker 1: reversing wrote versus Way, that's what they're saying. Um, well yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh in terms of abortion, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: kind of it's up to the person really yeah, And
Speaker 1: so basically what you're saying is us up to the persons.
Speaker 1: Is your body your choice right? Exactly? Your body your
Speaker 1: choice exactly? Well, thank you many appreciate your few words.
Speaker 1: Thank you ever blessed day. Thank you. You're welcome my
Speaker 1: podcast and Malik's bookshelf bringing the world together with books,
Speaker 1: culture and community. I want to ask your thoughts, my brother,
Speaker 1: about all the protests vote versus way and you know
Speaker 1: what the streets staying about the community, and what's your thoughts. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't really know too much about what the streets
Speaker 1: are saying, but my thoughts. I mean, a woman should
Speaker 1: have a right to you know, a boy baby, if
Speaker 1: that's what she chooses to do. I mean, so you
Speaker 1: do consider the baby right? Uh? Not really? Ok Maybe
Speaker 1: after so many weeks then I would consider it a baby.
Speaker 1: But if if you're talking about the first few weeks
Speaker 1: or a month, you know, don't a full baby because
Speaker 1: it's not fully developed yet. So how would you consider
Speaker 1: to be a baby? Okay, what you consider the life?
Speaker 1: O mm hmm, that is a good question. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, depending on the time, I think after that,
Speaker 1: So you support abortion up to a certain time, right, Okay? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: after a certain time, then you know, then you you
Speaker 1: got reservations, right, right? And then also you gotta look
Speaker 1: at all the things that could happen to a woman
Speaker 1: Rabe and says all of that. I mean, how can
Speaker 1: you tell a woman to carry that child? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Then that's that's and then if she
Speaker 1: do carry the child, then that's a that's a baby
Speaker 1: that she's going to neglect, because that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: constant reminder or what happened to her. And we got
Speaker 1: a whole lot of trauma exactly. So you don't need
Speaker 1: we don't need need more than we already have. So
Speaker 1: there have to be some just scratching and some exceptions,
Speaker 1: you know, so, but we don't. You don't think it's
Speaker 1: going away, do you? No? Man? It's you know, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I'm you know, it's crazy. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in law. I'm a federal law enforcement officer and
Speaker 1: a veteran, So it's crazy. Man. I'm kind of ashamed
Speaker 1: in this country. I'm ashamed of just what's going on.
Speaker 1: How people are us as black people being treated women,
Speaker 1: you know, anybody other than white, right right? And it's
Speaker 1: two nations here exactly. And you know, I know they
Speaker 1: always say the Constitution was for every man, but we've
Speaker 1: been on the shoulder all the time, all the time,
Speaker 1: and I see it. I think I see it more
Speaker 1: than me being in law. For us, I see it
Speaker 1: how the court system is. I mean just its it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's bad. Yeah. Yeah, And you heard the first hand
Speaker 1: from someone that's on the inside speaking about the disparity,
Speaker 1: the discrimination, the oppression, and so what what's are there's
Speaker 1: some solutions for us, my brother, Um, I think first
Speaker 1: we have to respect each other first, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Before you can, before you can change anything,
Speaker 1: you got to be respect. If I respect that man,
Speaker 1: he respect me, then we can come to the table
Speaker 1: and sit down and talk and we can talk as
Speaker 1: men and say this is what I don't like about you,
Speaker 1: and this is what you don't like about me. But
Speaker 1: if we can respect each other, then we can come
Speaker 1: and sit down and say that we ain't gotta be
Speaker 1: you know. It's kind of like you know, you you
Speaker 1: throw a rocket, hide your hand. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know that hid in hand, unseen hand in me.
Speaker 1: I got three sons, so I try to tell my sons,
Speaker 1: you know, be careful out here. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand, we got right, but be careful,
Speaker 1: be careful, be careful. I think that's well said. I
Speaker 1: think that's a solution. Be careful. And I appreciate your thoughts, brother,
Speaker 1: thank you. So this episode, I'm gonna be talking to
Speaker 1: the community about all these protests about ro versus way,
Speaker 1: their thoughts and so for I got a couple of
Speaker 1: people in front of me and one name cap one
Speaker 1: name April. So hey, how you doing good? Good good good?
Speaker 1: So Hey, tell me your thoughts about all these protests
Speaker 1: and your thoughts about abortion. UM. I think that even
Speaker 1: though it doesn't directly affect California, because we still remain
Speaker 1: with our own um, with our own laws. UM, I
Speaker 1: think that it's still very like dangerous to ban it
Speaker 1: nationwide because there's a lot of women that it would affect,
Speaker 1: mainly like poor like lower income communities. I feel like
Speaker 1: that is really affecting them more. And I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're putting women's lives at risk by
Speaker 1: banning it because now they won't be able to safely
Speaker 1: get abortions. And I feel like they're still going to
Speaker 1: find ways to be able to get one anyways. If
Speaker 1: they really needed it. Okay, now what you think about um,
Speaker 1: I I agree with her just because, um, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's fair that like a generation that's not really
Speaker 1: affected by it anymore is making decisions on like young
Speaker 1: women's bodies, um, you know nowadays and stuff. So you
Speaker 1: believe that women should have the right to choose, I
Speaker 1: think they should have the right. Yeah, do you get
Speaker 1: shider that when you become pregnant, um, that is actually
Speaker 1: a baby. Um. I think that it really it's different
Speaker 1: for everyone because some women, you know, like they really
Speaker 1: really really want a baby, so they're trying to them
Speaker 1: as soon as they get pregnant, like that's a baby.
Speaker 1: To other women, it's not the same way. Like some
Speaker 1: women are not able to fully carry a baby healthy, determined.
Speaker 1: That puts their life and like the child's life at risk. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think that everyone can like financially or like
Speaker 1: emotionally support a child. And I don't think we should
Speaker 1: force women in these situations to carry out a pregnancy,
Speaker 1: especially like I said before, like lower income communities a
Speaker 1: lot of times, like younger girls, poor girls, they cannot
Speaker 1: afford to get an abortion, or they cannot afford to
Speaker 1: get a child, I'll have a child. So we're risking
Speaker 1: their lives by taking away their right to choose. Well,
Speaker 1: you heard it from the streets. Thank you, appreciate you
Speaker 1: heard it live coming to you Malik's bookshelf bringing a
Speaker 1: world together with books, culture and community. Thank you. Well.
Speaker 1: I just ran into another author here at the tag
Speaker 1: Woman and she is will in to do an interview
Speaker 1: with me. Her name is Katherine Colbart, the author of
Speaker 1: Patrolling Women, What we Must Do Now to say reproductive freedom?
Speaker 1: And that is an interesting title. And I'm not gonna guess,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to die right into. How did
Speaker 1: you come up with that title? And what is this
Speaker 1: book all about? So the book is about the fact that, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is likely to overall ROW or so
Speaker 1: decimate its meaning that abortion will be banned in over
Speaker 1: half the states in this country. UM. It is a
Speaker 1: very very problematic event because while in the days before ROW,
Speaker 1: women with means always were able to obtain abortions, today
Speaker 1: there's already difficulties for low income women, for UH teenagers,
Speaker 1: for disabled women, for women in rural areas to get
Speaker 1: access to primary healthcare and reproductive healthcare. Including abortion, and
Speaker 1: so uh, if the Court does as I expect and
Speaker 1: overrules row, about twenty states are going to ban abortion.
Speaker 1: Abortion is going to be banned from Georgia all the
Speaker 1: way west to Texas, from Idaho all the way south
Speaker 1: to Arizona will be up to the states to the side.
Speaker 1: And that's a big problem unless we take action now.
Speaker 1: If there's something that people can do, absolutely two things
Speaker 1: especially first and foremost, we need to build a badass
Speaker 1: social justice movement. We've learned from Black Lives Matter and
Speaker 1: from the marriage equality movement that making noise makes a difference.
Speaker 1: And the coalition as Queen we want to we need
Speaker 1: to make sure that we can come together with our
Speaker 1: allies and fight for the things that are important. And
Speaker 1: making noise, even in small ways, can make a difference,
Speaker 1: particularly if they're's creative noise and it draws media attention.
Speaker 1: But equally important is that we need to become involved
Speaker 1: in electoral politics. We need to ensure that the five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand elected offices from school boards to town councils,
Speaker 1: to state legislatures to Congress are controlled by people who
Speaker 1: are champions for reproductive health, so that all women will
Speaker 1: be able to have and make these important decisions free
Speaker 1: of government. Important is just what the book talks about.
Speaker 1: Absolutely solution what people can do to Galwana. We have
Speaker 1: twenty about fifty eight different policy alternatives, but most important,
Speaker 1: we're talking about how we save women's lives, how we
Speaker 1: get politically active, and how like our sisters in Ireland
Speaker 1: and Argentina and Poland, we build a movement for change.
Speaker 1: So real quick, what would be the implications if grow
Speaker 1: versus way it's overturned. Well, the implications are most dangerous
Speaker 1: for women's health because women who live in states which
Speaker 1: ban abortion will be forced to travel hundreds of bials
Speaker 1: to get appropriate healthcare, risking their lives and health. They
Speaker 1: also could take medication abortion which would be available over
Speaker 1: the gray in the black market, but they could subject
Speaker 1: themselves to criminal prosecution were doing so. Uh and uh.
Speaker 1: Some women will be forced to carry their pregnancies to
Speaker 1: term and they as they did in the days before row.
Speaker 1: So none of the implications are good ones. Uh and uh.
Speaker 1: It means that if we're going to protect the rights
Speaker 1: not just to choose abortion, but to make decisions about
Speaker 1: our families, to decide when to become pregnant and to
Speaker 1: have the social supports necessary to raise children. Advocacy and assurance.
Speaker 1: That's what I did. I spent twenty years of my
Speaker 1: career representing women in need of reproductive healthcare. I argued
Speaker 1: two abortion cases in the U. S. Supreme Court, including
Speaker 1: the most case, which was widely credited with saving and
Speaker 1: I started the Center for Reproductive Rights with with Ally
Speaker 1: so I I feel very passionately about this and politics
Speaker 1: is the way to go. If the states control this question,
Speaker 1: we got to take back the states. Very well, said oh,
Speaker 1: I appreciate this interview. I think this would be informed
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