1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 3: And is Ashley here today? 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: We are in San Francisco with the iHeart team here 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: for Jonas brother concert. 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: That is how Amy Sugarman got me here. She name. 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Amy's like, Ashley hasn't been to the West Coast eight 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: or so our podcast forster Amy Sugarman, who our listeners 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: have been aware of for a long time. 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: She doesn't fly, she hasn't flownd since nineteen ninety nine. 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: We know, so, we we know, so we drive, so 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: she drives and we have to do like all of 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: our things on the West Coast. And then she was like, man, Ashley, 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: mom of two, hasn't been to do this for quite 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: some time, how do we get her to come Jonahs Brothers? 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, one thousand percent quickest, Yes 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: she's ever gotten. And I am now joined by two 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: of everybody's golden favorites, Susan Knowles and Kathy Schwartz. You guys, 20 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: well you know them from The Golden Bachelor. You know 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Kathy from well being a Golden and Bachelor in Paradise 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: and they both host the Golden Hour podcast. I know 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: you guys just finished wrapping up your recap the first 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: episode of. 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: The Golden The New Golden A little bit good time, 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: quick quick first impressions from both of you. 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 4: Go first, I was not on his side, but I 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: am now. 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm not sure enough. I think that the 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: women are great. 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: The women, that's a whole nother story. 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: He seems like not like the most charming human in 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: the entire world. 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: He is handsome, he's got a look, but it's not humble. 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: It's not mine forgiveness and give them a chance. Okay, 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: so you got it. Yeah, we're human. 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 5: I think the women are fabulous. They all have lots 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 5: of hair, they have extensions, and I'm like, you know, 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 5: they were bikinis, Like I just want to be one 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 5: of them. 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not golden. They're not golden. They're really. 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: Is golden to you if you don't mind. It's always 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: sixty plus. That's like our definition as a franchise, right. 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 4: I think sixty five five security. 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 5: It was supposed to be sixty five, but you know 47 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 5: what five years, yes, four crew was but they started 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 5: it was supposed to be sixty five and then they 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 5: lowered it. And here's my thing. I think the women 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 5: are fabulus. I think they're you know, young, they're talented. 51 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 5: I think I can't wait to see how the season 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: develops because I think that they have the benefit of 53 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 5: watching having watched our season. So some of my things 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 5: are there for the right reason. Some of them are 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 5: there to build their social media platforms and their businesses. 56 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: Do you have a problem with them? No, I'm just 57 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: we didn't know what social media want. I don't know 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 3: what it means. Answer was or a collaborator. I was like, 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: you guys are like pretty much golden influencers. I think 60 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: now we didn't come on. 61 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: That's what they asked this woman when we meet them, 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 4: And how did you go? 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: I don't know just what the women want to know? 64 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: How a career because now both of you are immediate personality. 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: Yes, well, and I got to. 66 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 5: Say, I'm mel I've I've said from the get go, 67 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 5: he said something stupid. 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know he is. He's right. He is going 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: to have to earn it back. 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 5: But you know what, I'm going to cut him some 71 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 5: grace because give him some grace because he doesn't know 72 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: what he's in for. You know what I'm saying. 73 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: He's he's he's. 74 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: Got some lots of beautiful women, and he might really 75 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 5: want a woman between forty and sixty until he meets 76 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 5: this crowd, and now I think he's like, whoa, there 77 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 5: are some hot women. So that's a good message. 78 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: As I said this morning, how many times have I 79 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: or you opened your mouth and insert at your foot. 80 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: In my mouth? 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: He said, like you got to give them a risk? 82 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: So true. 83 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Me included what do you guys think about like him 84 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: as a lead versus Gary. 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 5: As light and day listen if there could have been 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 5: one more on his season. In fact, I'm still thinking 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: I can go meet him and sweet him away. If 88 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 5: you if you chose something, you know, it's not too 89 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: late to break him up. I'm certainly not talking about Gary. 90 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: I know you aren't. I love the tag. 91 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: You guys are so honest about the fact that like 92 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: Gary like after you guys depart from the show is 93 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: just like not. 94 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 5: Let me just break this down really quickly. A lawyer, 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 5: a football player, a guy who can string together sentences, 96 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 5: or you can go pick cotton and a corn Mason Indiana, 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 5: I don't know what do you want to do. 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 4: Anyways, did you know what when we were finally they 99 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 4: didn't let us know to the last minute when we 100 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: were on the show, and then he's announced, my phone 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 4: was blowing up and my friends, are you still going? 102 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: That's mean, you know, my daughter said. 103 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 5: My daughter said, Mom, I've known you my whole life. 104 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 5: You really think you're moving to Indiana? It's never happened. 105 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have the same thing with crystals, or like, 106 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: you aren't moving to Iowa to a cornfield, and then 107 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: well you're in the bachelor bubble and you're like, I 108 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: could totally live on a cornfield. 109 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: No, no, I never said you guys were mature enough 110 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: to know that you. 111 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 5: Couldn't the cod That's as close as I want to 112 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 5: get to a cornfield, thank you very much. 113 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 4: And then your girls in our room saying he called 114 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: that a lake. It's a pond. Remember, yeah, he lives 115 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: he said, he lives on a lake. It's like, you know, 116 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: like a swan Boa cattle wheel thing. 117 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: I just love obsessed with how you do not care? 118 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 4: We love him, we love him, we're good friends, but hey. 119 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: It is what I love him anymore. He's perfectly fine. 120 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: He's got a new girlfriend. Actually, I wish him all 121 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 5: the best. Her name is Lana, not Lana Lana like. 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: They look alike? 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: They look alike? They do? 124 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: They look alike? 125 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: Okay, that's what the people say that you end up 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 3: with people that you look like. Oh god, I'm in trouble. 127 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: My husband looks like me, people say, and I probably agree. 128 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: I don't think I look like Frederick at all. Now 129 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 4: is your new relationship? Great? Great? He's at my house? 130 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: Oh nice, I'm here. 131 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 5: He's doing the dishes, more in the lawn, just where 132 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 5: a good man should be serving a woman. 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: It's a long distant relationship. So how's that going. 134 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: It's difficult at times. Yeah, he was in an island, yes, 135 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: Saint Martin. 136 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well I'm happy for you. Now it's 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: it's Kathy's turn. Yeah, to get a man. Kathy, we 138 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: need like a spin off show with you, where you 139 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 2: where you date people? 140 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: You know? Why wait, why aren't you on a Ben 141 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: spinoff where he has. 142 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 4: We planned a show? Helloth of us? 143 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 5: Directors, producers, directors, producers? 144 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: Where is the show for Kathy? To find? 145 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: Lots? 146 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 5: I don't know. 147 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: Was there somebody that you want to show up to paradise? 148 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: You didn't come. Oh, yes, I. 149 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 4: Mean anybody, Yeah, anybody. 150 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 5: I meant anybody with an IQ over ninety, preferably over 151 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: six feet. No, I mean there was nobody from Jonesy. 152 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: Nobody from Jones season that you wanted. You wanted people 153 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: to come from outside the franchise. 154 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: They wanted maybe somebody that applied for the job, you 155 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: know what I mean, or that I. 156 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 5: Just I want someone. You know, I'm not asking for 157 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 5: that much. I want someone who will accept me for 158 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 5: who I am. I'm not everyone's cup of tea, but like, 159 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 5: I live life and I enjoy life, and I want 160 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: someone who wants to enjoy life with me, as long 161 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 5: as he's not living on Social Security. 162 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: Is Like in Paradise, it almost felt like they didn't 163 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: really set you guys up for like romantic success. 164 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: They didn't really you know, there wasn't enough of you. 165 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: Keith possible. 166 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 5: When we got there, many of us thought that there 167 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 5: were they were going to bring in other Goldens or 168 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 5: other people that applied, when I didn't. And I knew Keith. 169 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 5: I knew all those guys because they'd been on our podcast. 170 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 5: I'd met them at different iHeart events, so I knew them. 171 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: Like I already and you in that reject pile. 172 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 5: You know, your your resume is in the circular file. 173 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 5: So but Keith is a great guy and we were 174 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 5: friends and it was never going to be more than that. 175 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: He's a great guy. But no, what about where you 176 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: guys were in the pool together? Was it ever like, 177 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: could you've ever gotten like there was a moment, not. 178 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: Even a nano sec I mean, I got to tell 179 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 5: you when April started making out with Jack, I thought 180 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 5: I was going to lose my lunch. 181 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: And not because I mean April and Jack. 182 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 5: That's like like Mickey Mouse with I don't know, it's 183 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: just no Jessica Rabbit. Yeah exactly, I mean anyway, So no, 184 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 5: there was never a moment where I thought, now, if 185 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 5: you'd give me enough alcohol. 186 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: Or drugs, that. 187 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: You still wouldn't. 188 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 5: You're right, not enough now if you like, you know, 189 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: you know, a two bagger they were you know maybe 190 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 5: I no, never okay, just but I love him. 191 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: But no, let's get back into this episode. Stand out 192 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: girls to you. Well, it's so funny going through my bracket. 193 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: I had Maya Maya. 194 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: Maya Yeah, min from. 195 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: Sheets Eliminated Rose Ceremony Number one also Sandra's sister sister 196 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: on her name? 197 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: How can you? I mean, why was she eliminated? She's was? 198 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: She was, she's sent seven and she looks like she 199 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 2: looks fifty seven. 200 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but. 201 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 4: Seventy five. 202 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, I just don't think regardless, we all 203 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 5: accept Mel's apology, we all want the best, but I 204 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 5: don't see Mel. Unfortunately our culture, I don't know, see 205 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 5: a sixty six year old going for a seventy seven 206 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 5: year old. 207 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: I just don't say it. 208 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: I did he even know her age because she didn't 209 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: look at obviously, And I don't know. 210 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows why. 211 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: I guess like it's just one of those situations like 212 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: I always refer to grocery store Joe. 213 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: Everybody thought he's the most charming, cute, handsome guy. How 214 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: did Betha eliminate him? Night one? 215 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: And then you hear that she was like, no, you 216 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: guys don't understand. There was so little chemistry, but we 217 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: just couldn't. 218 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 4: It's a fla. 219 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: No matter how cute somebody can be, you just like 220 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: it's not there. 221 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: Trust me. 222 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 5: The older you get that becomes like ye, A lot of. 223 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: We both thought. 224 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: Kathy and I have spoken off the mic and said that, well, 225 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: Carol is a big favorite of ours, and then Cindy is. 226 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: Everybody to me, Cindy. 227 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: Saying, like the winners, she seems like she's getting the 228 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: winner edit. She and ye who he had the one 229 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: on one with Cheryl Cheryl, they seem like they could 230 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: be like getting the top two edits. And I think 231 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: that Carol, I mean, she's definitely got young energy. 232 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: Here's the thing about Peg. 233 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 5: And I said this running for Peg when she comes 234 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 5: in in her fit and her here's the thing about Peg. 235 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 5: She is a bomb squad firefighter. My son's a firefighter 236 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 5: like they. It takes a lot of punch and a 237 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 5: lot of and so when she was like these women 238 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 5: are also chatty, chatty, chatty, She's not going to put 239 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 5: up with crap from anybody. I guarantee you she's either 240 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 5: going to go so far or he's going to say Nope, 241 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 5: she's too much for me. 242 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: The conversation that they had, she was on point, so 243 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: are you retired? Because I want a man that's going 244 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: to spend time. She was the lead. 245 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 6: You know, I. 246 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 5: Tell you she's like the fires burning, where's. 247 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 4: The let's get I like it? 248 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: Anybody else that you think we need to talk about. 249 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Nicole was also she looks great, but she 250 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: is possibly an instigator. 251 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 4: Climbing the tree. 252 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 5: City City from Austin says wow, when she was in 253 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 5: the push and she was like climbing him like a tree. Yeah, 254 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 5: I personally not that you know, anyone cares. I think 255 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: as a golden like, I'd like to set a little 256 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 5: bit better example and so I know, you know, take your. 257 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: Tasteful a little more tasteful. 258 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 5: You don't have to be macking on him from the 259 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 5: get go and calling him her husband like come on. 260 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: And to tell her. I think that we should cool it. 261 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 4: You know, in the pool, I. 262 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: Was like, eliminate her. 263 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: I think it's not because he thinks she's hot, but 264 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: he is a man. Yeah, he's a guy, but like 265 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: I don't think he liked that at all. 266 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: He was like Jill Jerry, she was another standout. Yeah, 267 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: she's like great connections. 268 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 4: She seems smart. 269 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: Really she's smart. 270 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: I wonder. 271 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: Her story. 272 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 5: Some great stories women who have taken care of single 273 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 5: hand raised children, taking care of mothers in their older 274 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 5: older years. I mean, these women have woven very rich fabrics. 275 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: Their lives are very rich richly. We haven't heard too 276 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: much about Robin yet. I hope she's playing just having 277 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 5: the rob. 278 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: Become best friend. Oh my gosh. What about Cheryl's story 279 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 3: with the son? 280 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, tyson didn't. 281 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 5: I want to kind of I want to call her 282 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 5: and say, how did you get him back after a week? 283 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: Like I want more of that story. I want to know. 284 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm sure it was longer. They had 285 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: to bridge it for TV, but it was like. 286 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: And you know the other thing. 287 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 5: I loved the stories Cheryl who had been for eighteen years, 288 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: she had just raised her son, and she hadn't done 289 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 5: anything for herself, and she and now that sweet moment 290 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 5: of now it's our time. 291 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: And I love hearing that as a goolden. 292 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So I have like a lot of fun questions 293 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: that I want to ask you guys during our group session, 294 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: which is going to be mostly about Jonas, but if 295 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: you don't mind, can we talk about like it's really 296 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: a little juicy, a little personal. 297 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Are talking about hormone? 298 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: You guys don't exactly You guys don't even know we 299 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: talked about at dinner last night. We were talking about metopause. 300 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: Some of the metopausal symptoms. And I don't know how 301 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: far Kathy wants to get into this. 302 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: Anything you want on the open book, let me let 303 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 5: me educate the world on menopause. 304 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: What can I help you out? Okay? 305 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: Highly recommend No. 306 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 5: No no no no no no no no no no no. 307 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: I I actually want to talk to Kathy about dating 308 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: after I think. 309 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: I think dating after a divorce. 310 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: Like Susan and after the passing of your husband has 311 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: to be different. 312 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: It is, right. 313 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: So were you, Susan excited to get back into dating 314 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: after a divorce or you were jetting it? 315 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: Did you even want to do it? 316 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: Not for a while? 317 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: Okay? And then how was the first date? 318 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: Odd? 319 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 320 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 4: Yes? 321 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: And did it evolve into anything of interest? 322 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 6: Now? 323 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: When was the first time you got butterflies again after 324 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: a divorce? 325 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 4: A few years later? 326 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: Okay? 327 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 4: And I've had those a few times. So I've had 328 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: several relationships, maybe two three years. The fact that I 329 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 4: am as old as I am, I know what I 330 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 4: could deal with and what I can't. And after about 331 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: six months in I told you this, Kathy, when I 332 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: met this last one, After six months you start seeing 333 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 4: the real you know, the butterflies go away, and I 334 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: know the difference now, and yeah, you. 335 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: Know the difference, and you know that who you're with 336 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: now is so far so six months okay, great. I 337 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: was gonna say, like, what was the first kiss, like 338 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: post divorce. 339 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: The guy that I went on a date with, We 340 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: went to golf and we went to Atlantic City actually, 341 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: but I didn't kiss him. Okay, we didn't kiss, so 342 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: it was I can't even count the first one. 343 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: So I wasn't to. 344 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: Ask Kathy about that because like you kind of inferred 345 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: last night that like you've been romantic since your husband. 346 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 5: Well sexually active a romantic. 347 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: Actually, how comfortable you're willing to go were? I mean, 348 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: do you want names and numbers? Dan? What do you need? 349 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: She's alive? Of course, we're so. 350 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: Interested in everything's actually active again after your husband. 351 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 5: But here's let me say, here's the thing. My husband died, obviously, 352 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 5: you know, the sudden death. I didn't touch my feet, 353 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 5: didn't hit the ground, you. 354 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: Know, for six months, yeah. 355 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: More like a year. 356 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 5: My first date I think was and it was way 357 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 5: too soon, and I honestly don't even remember. It was 358 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 5: eighteen months after he died. My daughter summed it up 359 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 5: perfectly because I got married at twenty to my husband. 360 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: I was married almost forty six years. Yes, that's why 361 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: I don't know you guys. 362 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: I just came up with this random conversation topic that 363 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: I thought was like interesting because I'm just like, how 364 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: do you. 365 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: Feel like being physical at all? Was somebody after you've 366 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: been with somebody. 367 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 5: For forty so I will tell you that was really scary. 368 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 5: But you're going to laugh, but I mean it. It's 369 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 5: sort of like riding a bike. Yeah, you know, once 370 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 5: you get you get back on the horse. Whatever you 371 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 5: want to you know, whatever metaphor you want to use. 372 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 5: But here's the thing. 373 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 4: Didn't feel good to be kissed again? 374 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 375 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, But at first it was very strong range because 376 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 5: as my daughter said, Mom, you got married. 377 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: I met my husband when I was eighteen. 378 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 5: Yes, I was married at twenty everything, yes, yes, yeah, 379 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 5: so ever seen never have I ever were playing? 380 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: She did nothing? 381 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: That's me too. 382 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: I used to be like when in college, I was like, 383 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: I can't play this. It's so embarrassing because I haven't 384 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: done anything. And now I'm like. 385 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: I but but honestly, when my daughter said to me, Mom, 386 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 5: you're gonna it's gonna be step learning curfew because you 387 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 5: didn't date in your twenties, you didn't have multiple sex partners. 388 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 5: You know, you just got married and I didn't have 389 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 5: children for the first dight and a half years that 390 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 5: you were married. But you know, so for me, it 391 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 5: was literally I had to learn how to date, learn 392 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 5: how to flirt all that. It was like, I just 393 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 5: didn't know how to do it. And I, you know, 394 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 5: I believe people. I took everyone at their word, and 395 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 5: you know, I just I had to learn how to 396 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 5: do it. 397 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: Who helped you learn to do it? A trial and 398 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: era it was myself. 399 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 5: I mean I had a couple of girlfriends I talked 400 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 5: to about it, but for the most part, I had 401 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 5: to figure it out on my own because now I 402 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 5: know what I want, I know what I what, I'm 403 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 5: willing to compromise on what I'm not. And it's it's 404 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 5: fun now to date. Am I still looking for that guy? 405 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I got a date later with one 406 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: of the Jonas brothers. 407 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: But okay, well, during our Jonah's podcast, we'll talk about, 408 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: you know, like how low would you go age wise 409 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: and all of that. 410 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: Oh boy, because. 411 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 5: Oh god, that's now see my youngest child's thirty eight. 412 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 5: I got to draw the line somewhere. 413 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: Maybe like forty. 414 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: No. 415 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 5: Actually, honestly, my truth about dating is I don't really 416 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 5: date men my own age, because you've heard my thing 417 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 5: about used to guys to men. 418 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: I used to guy. 419 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 5: I used to play tennis, I used to swim, I 420 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 5: used to ski. Now I sit on the sofa and 421 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 5: drink of beer. I don't want used to guy. And 422 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 5: unfortunately there's a lot of them. 423 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so you always go a little younger. 424 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 5: I like to date men who are younger. I've dated 425 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 5: some guys who are my age, but I like to 426 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 5: go younger. 427 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: What's your best date since the loss of your husband 428 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: next week? 429 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 3: It is my best date? Is honestly, yeah, that's exactly. 430 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: I mean, you know I'm still looking. 431 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: I I have the guy said I've dated. There was 432 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 5: one guy dated for a few months and when I 433 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 5: broke up with him, he was shocked and he's like what, 434 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: And I said, well, number one in your life is 435 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 5: your dog. Number two in your life is your dog. 436 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 5: Number three in your life is your daughter. Fourth in 437 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 5: your life is your computer. And I'm a distant fifth. 438 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 5: So see, yeah, I mean I just don't. That's why 439 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 5: I'm saying now I know what I'll put up with. 440 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: Have you felt butterflies a little with one guy? 441 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 6: Okay recently, but the next we talk about it yet, Yeah, 442 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 6: that's it's mego nowhere Okay, somewhere, Yes it is, but 443 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 6: we're not going to say that. 444 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: What's your type? 445 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: Typically? 446 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 5: So? I like a smart guy. I like a guy 447 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 5: who's fit. I like a guy who will have adventures. 448 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 5: You know, he doesn't have to do everything I do 449 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 5: like I want. I'm a snow scare. He doesn't have 450 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 5: to snowski, but he damn right. Well, better have the 451 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 5: drink for me at the lodge afterwards, he better go 452 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 5: hiking with me, kayaking with me. He's got to be 453 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 5: taller than I am. I'm five to eight, so you know, 454 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 5: six feet is good. But more it's a guy who 455 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 5: has a sense of of of enjoyment of life, a 456 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 5: zest for life. 457 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: I just want to report to you that the Jonahs 458 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: brothers are like five. 459 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: Seven at best. 460 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: Yes, I'll make an exception. 461 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 2: I think we should end this here and we'll go 462 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: into all my follow up questions in our later episode. 463 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: Okay, you guys are so much fun. Thank you for 464 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: being here and experiencing this. 465 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: All right. Until next time, I've been Ashley and they've 466 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: been Kathy and Susan. 467 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: Bye bye. 468 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 469 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.