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Speaker 1: Morning came, how are you.

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Speaker 2: Good, Mike? How we're doing this morning?

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Speaker 1: We're doing well. You know what we're gonna ask, where

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Speaker 1: where did the schooler? Where did it come from? I

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Speaker 1: mean we heard some background from Pat McAfee about maybe

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Speaker 1: some tells from Jake Bailey. Just I guess kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean it's just outside of the box thinking.

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Speaker 3: I guess you would say. But you know, no different

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Speaker 3: than any other time you're bringing a guy from a block,

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Speaker 3: standpoint motion like John Jones last season against the Colts.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a things you're looking for for as

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Speaker 3: the game goes on, whether it's a snapper, maybe it's

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Speaker 3: different things. So we go through the process just looking

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Speaker 3: for any keys or details that you know can give

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Speaker 3: you an edge. It's not something that you know every

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Speaker 3: week you're probably gonna be able to do anything like that,

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Speaker 3: but just going through the alerts and trying to find

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Speaker 3: you know, what is going to be that key. You know,

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Speaker 3: Like I said, John against the Colts had one which

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Speaker 3: obviously played out well.

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Speaker 2: For us last season.

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Speaker 3: So but it's a really credit to the schooler and

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Speaker 3: all honesty and all those guys out there really buying

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Speaker 3: the end because you know, on that play, if Duggart

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Speaker 3: doesn't rush and bring down Wilkins as well, which is

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Speaker 3: like the forgotten thing, like if he just doesn't go well,

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Speaker 3: Wilkins is going to block him off the edge. So

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Speaker 3: you know, all the guy's trusting it and believing it

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Speaker 3: it's going to work and bringing everybody down so we

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Speaker 3: can't get off the edge right there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and he just timed it up. It was

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Speaker 2: really good by him.

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Speaker 3: I'm trusting like I said, and the coming off the

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Speaker 3: for us. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Next question Bob Sasie.

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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, Cam morning Bob. Are we're doing I'm

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Speaker 5: doing well. Thanks In that particular instance, going back to

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Speaker 5: the I think the first field goal. Try watching the

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Speaker 5: television copy. It's kind of hard to see, but NBC

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Speaker 5: had the behind the kicker shot and it looked like

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Speaker 5: both Miles and Brendon kind of walked from the edges,

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Speaker 5: you know, toward the formation. In the case of that

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Speaker 5: that play that you pulled off, do you have to

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Speaker 5: kind of set it up and show them a similar

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Speaker 5: look whatever your innovative you know, play might be, so

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Speaker 5: that you don't tip your hand when you do want

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Speaker 5: to go for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know that we do that for twofold.

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Speaker 3: If you can go back to last season and we

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Speaker 3: want to check and make sure there's no one hidden

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Speaker 3: So but the more you can make things look the

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Speaker 2: And very quickly fault.

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Speaker 5: How much of the rules forced you? The way the

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Speaker 5: Special Team's rules have changed in recent years forced it

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Speaker 2: And sometimes when we're in there as coaches.

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Speaker 3: We're drawing stuff on the wall or this, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: Know, one hundred two ordred clips, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: You're sitting there watching and you're studying, and you know

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, that might be a good idea.

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Speaker 3: I tell people sometimes the best ideas show up at

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Speaker 2: Hey this showed up or that showed up.

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Speaker 3: And then that's why we study other league tape, that's

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Speaker 3: why we study college tate. You know, you know, you're

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Speaker 3: always looking for somebody who's done something different, and you

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Speaker 6: it this way that fits us? So, especially in the

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Speaker 6: trying to find, like you're saying, that innovative thing to

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Speaker 6: do that's a little bit different, but it's amongst the rules,

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Speaker 6: and you've got to play within the rules obviously, but

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Speaker 3: Like all right, well you can't jump and run forward

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Speaker 2: But as long as you're on the line of scrimmags,

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Speaker 3: So just thinking about the rules like you're saying, and

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Speaker 3: how can we use it to our advantage?

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot?

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it absolutely, Thanks Bob.

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Speaker 2: Cam. How's it going good?

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Speaker 6: Ian?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing good? Good? What makes Schooler the

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Speaker 2: right guy for that job? You got a lot of

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Speaker 3: Why particularly is Schooler tasked with with being the motion

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, you know, he's obviously a tall, long guy, so

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Speaker 3: Any guy that's coming off the edge on on a

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Speaker 2: So there's one trait they all have is they're all

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Speaker 3: So the normal operation for a field goal unit from

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Speaker 3: So you know, if you can get a guy that's quick,

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Speaker 4: Thanks the next question, Mike Grease, he.

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Speaker 2: Cam good to talk with you. Thanks for your time, absolutely, Mike,

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Speaker 2: good to see you.

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Speaker 7: You guys got a little bit of a three headed

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Speaker 7: monster there between you, Joe and Joe. What is what

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Speaker 7: makes Joe Judge a good special Teams coach?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, Joe does a great job.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's in the in the rooms, whether us

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Speaker 3: And Joe obviously a Judge, you know, going back to

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Speaker 3: to say all the time, you know, so you know,

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Speaker 2: So you're seeing more.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just a really good working place because

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Speaker 3: you've got three really good coaches in there and all

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Speaker 3: I may see it one way, and Jojo Judge may

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Speaker 3: see it one way, Joe Houston may see it one way,

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Speaker 2: Like, all right, we've got three different ideas.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, oh this is kind of the same idea,

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Speaker 3: so we definitely want to do this because we all

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 3: So it's a good working environment because we've got three

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Speaker 3: guys that are all humble and they're all wanting to

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Speaker 3: just a what's the best play, what's the best play

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Speaker 3: to that play and all working together.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Mike, we have a room for two more questions.

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Speaker 4: We'll go Carrie Thompson by Dan Right Hey.

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Speaker 2: Cam, that's going good. How are you doing? Yeah? Good good.

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Speaker 7: I want to ask you about a former player real quick,

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Speaker 7: Nate Ebner. What do you remember about coaching him and

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't say enough great things about Nate Ebner,

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Speaker 3: Nate and eighteen. You know, he really helped me a

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Speaker 2: He is I like to call it a a rebul

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Speaker 3: He just sees everything and saw everything and the way

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Speaker 3: he digests stuff. You know, when we'd sit in with

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Speaker 2: This and that?

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Speaker 3: Like he almost I tell him all the time, surprised

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Speaker 3: he's not coaching yet, you know. And he's got the

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Speaker 3: but just you know, his ability to digest plays and

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Speaker 3: see everything and study. He was a student of the

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Speaker 2: You know. I remember that about Nate.

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Speaker 3: Like he was that guy, like he didn't say much

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Speaker 2: You know, you talked to him, a good conversation, but.

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Speaker 3: When it came to game day and came down to

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Speaker 3: breaking down an opponent, right, it was all business.

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Speaker 2: It was all work. It was it was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: right way. We're gonna show up every day, We're gonna work.

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Speaker 3: Nate was a tremendous, tremendous person, you know, to be around.

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Speaker 3: I love it when he comes back to visit, you know,

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Speaker 3: we get to see him because you.

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Speaker 2: Know, he just has that energy to him. I can't

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Speaker 3: It was great to be around, great player, getting great,

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Speaker 3: great leader for us, you know those years we had

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Speaker 3: and he was able to just see things, like I said,

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Speaker 3: let's do this, coach, I see it, and you know what,

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Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the time he was darn right,

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Speaker 3: It's moving and We're just over there looking like steal

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Speaker 2: This is what happens. And then you show up Monday

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Speaker 2: and he's one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 3: So you know, Nate, Nate was a great influence for me,

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Speaker 7: And real quick, what was the leadership dynamic like with

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Speaker 7: him and Matt Slater? He kind of described it as

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Speaker 7: like kind of a good cop bad cop.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Nate was more blunt. I guess it's

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Speaker 3: the best way to say it and tell you how

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Speaker 3: that's what's They were great together. They played off one

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Speaker 3: And Matt was always like he was there the influence,

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Speaker 3: the leadership part of it, and then Nate was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell him in my own way. You tell

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Speaker 3: him in your own way. But the way they played

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Speaker 3: great to see him work together.

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Speaker 7: Thanks appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Here's the question and final question Dan Rich, thank him.

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Speaker 8: I'll keep it quick, just just a final thought that

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Speaker 2: Is it a training camp all the way through?

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Speaker 5: And how many variations do you have of different things

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, one thing we try to do is

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Speaker 3: you know, whatever it would be. Anytime you're doing something unique,

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Speaker 3: you know you're not gonna get fifty reps or sixty

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Speaker 3: You know, kicking game wise, you're talking ten reps here.

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Speaker 3: But you also got to put your other stuff in.

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Speaker 3: It's not just that one play. There's other calls that

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Speaker 3: as many reps throughout practice as you can, and then

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Speaker 3: anytime you put something in, you know, you're always definitely

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Speaker 3: looking for adjustment. Stand like, you know, what what can

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Speaker 3: as the guys keep it simple for them, allows them

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Speaker 3: good job, you know throughout practice where we're trying to

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Speaker 2: You know, it may be.

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Speaker 3: Three or four guys and then myself and Joe and

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Speaker 8: Or our specials do a tremendous job of filling in,

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Speaker 8: and you know they're over there giving the looks that

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Speaker 8: they need to as well, and they may be the

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Speaker 8: guard and the tackle, you know, I can't tell you

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Speaker 8: how many times I've made Matt Sledder be a guard

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Speaker 2: You know, he's not a guard on the punt team,

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Speaker 2: but it's like, hey, I needs to do this.

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Speaker 3: So you know, just one thing about this play that's

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Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, coach, what do you need. Definitely you

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Speaker 3: know we're going to work on this, and just being

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thanks Dan, Thank you very much. Cam