1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Oh, what's up? 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Its way up at Angela Yee and a legend is 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: here with me, Johnny Gil welcome the way up at 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Angela Yee. 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, old legend. 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: Huh No, you're not look at you. You're a young player, 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: you know what I oh yeah, you right, yeah, you're 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: getting the Entertainer's Key to the city this weekend. 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 4: Oh my god, let me just tell you. I'm so 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 4: excited and I'm so grateful. It's funny because you think 11 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 4: forty two years later, it's like it's kind of like, 12 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 4: hey man, you didn't have it all and done it all. 13 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 4: But it's I never take any of this stuff for granted. 14 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like the thing. A funny thing 15 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 4: is that older you get, the more you appreciate. You 16 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: have a great appreciation for all these things. Because we 17 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 4: was younger, it was like everything is damn near blurred 18 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 4: to me, you know, because you were just living and 19 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 4: you just in the moment. But now it's like when 20 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 4: these things come and seeing people give you the flowers, 21 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 4: and for me, it's not about my ego. It's just 22 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 4: a confirmation that we've been doing what I'm doing and 23 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: that your work is not going unnotice. 24 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: So for me, it's gratitude. 25 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know, you've had a longest story career. 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Even thinking about thirty five years since the first solo album, 27 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: Johnny Gil was out, that's this year. 28 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that was the big one, that my album, 29 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: but even before that, there was the duet album. 30 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: Would say say album, I'm gonna talk about. 31 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: This, So that was It's been forty two years. 32 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Forty two years of you in this business. 33 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: If it's just weird, how did that happen? 34 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, you did start young, you know. 35 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting you your brother's here with 36 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: you today, One of your brothers is here. And it's 37 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: just funny because I was thinking about how as a kid, 38 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: because you are the youngest of four and you guys 39 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: had a group coming up and you were the one 40 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: that was just. 41 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: They pushed me out there, they kept punking. I was like, 42 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: get out of there. It was yeah, my voice is 43 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: so high. 44 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: At one point, remember Daddy was talking about telling me 45 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: about singing low because my voice was so high, and I, 46 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: hey man, it just dropped one day, like all of 47 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: a sudden, it was just no longer high. 48 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: But I was like, are you doing? 49 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes as a kid when you can really sing, 50 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: because I remember, this is my brother's gonna kill me 51 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: for this. But when we were young, my brother could sing, 52 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: but he had like the little high Percy voice. But 53 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 2: once your voice undergoes like that transformation, you might lose 54 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: that ability. 55 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: What was that like for you when your voice dropped? 56 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 4: Well, it didn't bother me actually, because I was I 57 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: always kept in my mind, it was burned to my 58 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 4: brain of what my dad always talking about, you sing. 59 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: It to hi. And I was probably because I was 60 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: influenced by my mom and my mom had a. 61 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: Pretty, you know, high voice. So I don't know, but 62 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: it just happened like that out of nowhere. But I 63 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 4: was happy when it happened. But I didn't really even 64 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 4: notice it. He was a kid, Yeah, I was a 65 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: kid because. 66 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: When you singing like love songs too, just al gospel songs, okay. 67 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: And then as I got older and got that contract, 68 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: well actually in elementary that's when I started singing in 69 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: the glee club, and that's when they started making me 70 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: sing a few love songs. 71 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, this works, It's all right. 72 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: You're like, I don't even know what this is about, 73 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: but I'm singing it. 74 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a couple I had a showing a 75 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: few girls and I was like, yeah. 76 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Stop it. 77 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: But you truly have like the iconic voice. People look 78 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: at you as like that voice is interesting to me. Also, 79 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: how like you said when you first started off as 80 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: Stacey lattisov right, and you guys were definitely a perfect combination. Yeah, 81 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: and you know, I saw the stories about how you 82 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: guys dated. 83 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: But then her family was beat into you. 84 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've they've disputed that, like it's not true. 85 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: I'm sure they would, But I mean I've often say this, 86 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: and we've all know this to be a truth. It's 87 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: like my truth might not necessarily be yours, but I 88 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: can only tell you what my truth is, and you 89 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: have every rights too. And listen, it's not like it 90 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: was in the world it killed me. As a matter 91 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: of fact, it made me stronger, it made me better 92 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 4: because I had I really had a complex of being 93 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: dark as a kid younger, and you know, but it. 94 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: Is what it is. 95 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: But I've often said, even when we talked about that, 96 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: was that I've never experienced anything of any level of disrespect, 97 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: any level of any of that stuff being around, you know, 98 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: So I just had to deal with it, and I 99 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 4: dealt with the fact that I had a manager and 100 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: uh Henry Allen, who was the president of the record 101 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: label at the time. They all was putting it in 102 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: my head about yeah, I don't like you, but they've 103 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: never she's never treated me anything less. 104 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: It's crazy because Bobby Brown had that story about Janet too, 105 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: kind of like how the family had an issue with 106 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: them dating. 107 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 108 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, he has his story and she 109 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: has hers, and I know both of them and they 110 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: don't match very well. 111 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: And that's what happens, like and they're the truth. 112 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: It's interesting because nowadays I feel like and for quite 113 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: some time now that chocolate is in though you have 114 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: to say. 115 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 4: I appreciate it now, but back then it was really 116 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: like I was like, you know what, there was always 117 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: the light scanners versus dark skin, and I hate I 118 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 4: hated the part when the. 119 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: Bar came out. I was just like, ah, man, they 120 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: just was tearing it up for a while. But then 121 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: we dark chocolate came back in. 122 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it never left. 123 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: It was. 124 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Never left, you know. 125 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: I do want to also talk about like, because like 126 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: you said, you grew up singing gospel music. There was 127 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: no secular music in the household. 128 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they didn't play that. 129 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: The only time we heard cecular music is when we 130 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 4: had cookouts and in the yard they would be playing 131 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 4: Marvin Gay and all that other stuff. But most of 132 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: them doing that our time that My dad was a minister, 133 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: so that's all they had. The radio on was on 134 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: on gospel gospel station. 135 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: So and sometimes that's tough though, when you go off 136 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: and you start doing you got a record contract, how 137 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: was that received in the household? 138 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 4: Well, to be honest, growing up, you know when you 139 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 4: second music was the devil's music, and it just reached 140 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: the point at one time I was like, what, I 141 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: guess it's me and the devil. 142 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I made it back. Yeah, what was 143 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: that like? 144 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: Getting like because then you did that, but then for 145 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: your family to be to embrace that and to know 146 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: that it's. 147 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: Not Yeah, but my dad and my mom listened. My 148 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 4: dad was a minister, but he lived vicariously through. My 149 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: dad was excited just as much as my mom was 150 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: getting the record deal and taking off to go and 151 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: do what I was, you know, to go off to 152 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: a record and you know, cause back in the day 153 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: getting a record deal was it that was huge? That 154 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: was like, you know, not everybody could get a record 155 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: deal at all. So it was one of those things 156 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 4: that all my family always supported me. But it was 157 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 4: just growing up in church that was always just considered 158 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 4: second music was always the devil's music. And as I 159 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 4: got older, I began to understand too that the Bible 160 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: was looking and I was searching. I never saw in 161 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: the Bible as a certain beat as to be the 162 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 4: mixic song gospel and mix it inspirational. It was just, 163 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: you know, it's the message about more than anything. So 164 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 4: you learn as you get older. 165 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: But it was just as a kid growing up, or 166 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: you don't know any better, you're just like, oh, so 167 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: I was like, man, what happened when when I tell 168 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: him I signed to deal with the devil? 169 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: Like that? 170 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Even just looking at people who are because I felt like, 171 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: and I saw you on Jennifer Hudson, oh yeah, you 172 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: know amazing, And then I couldn't tell if you said 173 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: you really were, because I know you've said you planned 174 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: to do a gospel album. 175 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: I am actually okay, so that's really it's. 176 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: Really gonna happen. It's so funny that a friend of 177 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: mine came by and we talked about actually about getting 178 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: the starting getting started on the gospel album that's gonna 179 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: be dedicated to my mom of course into Whitney. So 180 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: I'm going to get it done. And it's funny. I 181 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: think I'm gonna beat Stevie. Stevie won because Steve he's. 182 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: Been trying to do one for oh about a good 183 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: twenty years after his mom passed, and he kept saying 184 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: he's gonna do one, He's gonna do one. 185 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: And we both started saying, oh yeah, I'm gonna do one. 186 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: We're gonna do one. But I think I'm gonna beat him. 187 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: I do really believe. 188 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: I am man, You're don't expose Stevie Wonder. 189 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 190 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Oh see. 191 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: Think Stevie Wonder, you have to actually get on stage 192 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: and be like I know there is these rumors. 193 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: Said he'd be all you on in air hockey. 194 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: Oh he beat od Is that sure did. 195 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: And I remember I need to see some footage. 196 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: I remember telling my buddy Keith, this guy, Keith j 197 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: On he was we were doing backgrounds and stuff, and 198 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: I remember he beat us so bad and we was 199 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: all sitting there talking, going yo. 200 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: Don't tell nobody. You can't tell nobody, because I was like, man, 201 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: and I kept telling him. 202 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: I was like, you can see, I don't care what 203 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 4: you said, you see, because he was he. 204 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: Tore us up. 205 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 2: You know, another legendary moment you had recently was this 206 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: cookout that everybody was commenting on it. And I saw 207 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: that you said, and by the way, at this cookout, 208 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 2: you all was singing, oh, you know, everybody was there entertainer. 209 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, who who was in the building for that cookout? 210 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: And oh, Stevie, it was Anthony Anderson and Tita Campbell, uh, 211 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: Jeffery Osborn, Ken he more, who else it was? Oh 212 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: my god, it was a bunch of people. But I, 213 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 4: as you could see, it was a red cup. I 214 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 4: started at two thirty, I had finished about ten thirty. 215 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: I remember most of it though, but listen, we had 216 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: so much fun. And I kept saying, why is it that? 217 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: Because I do that at the house all the time. 218 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 4: I have New Year's Eve parties. I'm just gatherings and 219 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 4: that's how it goes at the house at my parties, 220 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: and everybody's just always having a good time. And then 221 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: this one actually went viral because I allowed everybody to 222 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: use cameras. I mean to go ahead and take pictures, 223 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 4: do the videos and stuff. But I was trying to 224 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: figure out what connected with everyone, and then I realized 225 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: there's so much that's going on. People were just reminded 226 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: of what it's like to just be around people that 227 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 4: you know and love and just we were just having fun. 228 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: We didn't it wasn't nothing behind it, but just having fun. 229 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: And it was a blessing. But we had so much fun. 230 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: I saw you said, it's like the only time you 231 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: ain't get no negative. 232 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, episode people have something. 233 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the most. 234 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: It still blowing my mind because most of the time, yeah, 235 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: people got something crazy or stupid to say. Everybody was 236 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 4: just talking about I want to be there, and if 237 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 4: I can only tell how many phone calls I received. 238 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm talking about when is the next one? But 239 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: I am going to do it. But I was like, 240 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: I'm not telling all of y'all. 241 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: But it feels like this also could turn into something more, 242 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: because when something like that happens organically, doesn't everybody like 243 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: maybe there's something to this. 244 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and everybody's been saying, hey, man, you really should 245 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: consider it. I'm going I just thought it was just 246 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 4: a one time thing. And you know, with this social 247 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 4: media stuff, the craziest thing is people shoot content all 248 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: the time and trying to put it and release it 249 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: for it to go viral. I just think it just 250 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: happened because it just happened. I'm not sure if I 251 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: did another one that would it would actually happen again. 252 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: So I'm just like it was just us having fun. 253 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: You know. 254 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because I look at you as 255 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: a person who you've been around, like we said, over 256 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: forty years doing music, and in spite of everything that's happened, 257 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: like it doesn't feel like you've ever had no crazy 258 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: moments that we know of. No, it's just and that's 259 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: a hard thing in this business to not like crash out. 260 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: Ever. 261 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for me, It's just I've lived. But my 262 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 4: like I was saying earlier, my dad was was a minister. 263 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 3: I grew up. 264 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: That don't mean nothing, you know them, I. 265 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: Know this not you know I was. 266 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 4: I was a little bad Johnny at the point. But 267 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: my dad would be the worst for me probably, and 268 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 4: bad would be probably well, I think any other kid. 269 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: I was what fifteen, sixteen years old and chasing girls. 270 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 4: That's that's might be the worst thing that you know, 271 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 4: breaking hearts and eventually got mine broken. 272 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: But I learned from that. I was like, this don't 273 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: feel good. 274 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: But was that your first heartbreak with Stacy Lattison? 275 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: Would you say I would, Yeah, I would. That was 276 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: the first. 277 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: I would say that was the first. I haven't had 278 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: too many more since then, but I have had a few. 279 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: I had a few, but you know, for the most part, though, 280 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: but that that might be the only thing. 281 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: I'm not an addict. I've never done drugs. I'm not 282 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: I don't steal. 283 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't that's comenable. 284 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 4: Somebody keeps going, well, I can't wait to hear your 285 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: story and to write a book or do whatever, and 286 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, you don't want to want me to write 287 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: a book because you're going to be asleep after the 288 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 4: first I don't. 289 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: Know, because I feel like business wise, Look, one other 290 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: thing about you that I feel like is different is 291 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: the groups. Like you're a person that's been solow, but 292 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: you've been in several different groups and different iterations. And 293 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: I feel like your story and I remember we talked 294 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: about this right with the new edition story. 295 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: We didn't get to really see. 296 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: Right that how my story and I feel like there's 297 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: a lot of things you've probably held back on telling too, 298 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: because I also look at you as the type of 299 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: person who is not like giving us all of that. 300 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: But maybe there's a time for it when. 301 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: You evident when I'm dating girls, if somebody says something 302 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 4: or mentioned something about dating and it's like you gotta go, 303 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want it because my personal life 304 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 4: is my personal life. That's why so many people who's 305 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: always question what is he doing easy gay? Because I 306 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: don't listen. That's my life over here. And one thing, 307 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 4: especially for relationships, when you're in this business and everybody's 308 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 4: got an opinion, it turns into a number of things 309 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: where you know you want to be able to save 310 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: something for yourself. And I think you have to build 311 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 4: a strong foundation when you go out and decide you're 312 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: going to put your relationship out there and you're going 313 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: to be doing I mean, because it's a lot comes 314 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 4: with it. So I prefer to keep something for myself 315 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 4: and that's my life. 316 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: I saw you The only time I seen you really 317 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: go in was recently over these rumors. 318 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: And it's interesting you say that because how do you know. 319 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: I feel like you've done a great job of not 320 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: even bothering to address it. 321 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: Some time I'm just like, but this. 322 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: Particular time, you were like, Okay, now this is enough. 323 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: And sometimes people feel like, man, I wish I would 324 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: have been addressed this so it wouldn't keep coming up 325 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: because we try to take the high road right and 326 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: say I'm not going to say anything, but then it 327 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: just continues because people take your silence to mean it's true, 328 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 2: or if you say something that like, oh, he's protesting 329 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 2: too much. 330 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, listen the dumb rumors. I don't have 331 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: a problem with that. That's so stupid that it's been 332 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: going on for how many years? So the rumors is 333 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: not that's one thing. But when you lie on me 334 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: and say you saw something that you didn't see, something 335 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: I've never done in my life, that's where it becomes 336 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: a problem. And that's when I got with the lawyers 337 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: and they say this is defamation, and bro, man, you 338 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: know it's coming. 339 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Oh so there really is a lawsuit. It's coming. 340 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: I'm kissing. 341 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: You could call me, say whatever you want to say. 342 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: But when they reach a point when you're talking about 343 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: you're lying to say you've seen something that I've never 344 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 4: done in life. It's like at that point, all bets 345 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: are off, you know. 346 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: It's interesting to me. Also, I remember I think it 347 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: was an article that you did around Father's Day about 348 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: being a father. 349 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: Yes, And I was like, okay, we don't hear it. 350 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: So your son is now how like n you know, okay, 351 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: nineteen years old in college? Is their son know growing 352 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: up what that his father was famous? But did he 353 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: realized he had a famous dad? 354 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: I think he realized he had a famous dad. Actually, 355 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 4: he might have been about five four or five. I 356 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: remember I had to sit him down and and his 357 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: mom says, he's going through this stage where he's going, you. 358 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: Know my dad is you know my dad. I had 359 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: to sit him down. 360 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: I said, listen, son, everybody don't like daddy. So we 361 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: got to keep things kind of low key because you know, 362 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 4: sometimes people can be mean and they might say things 363 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: that might be you know, So I tried to explain 364 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 4: that to him. But it's like, you know, and plus 365 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 4: we want to keep you safe. You know, sometimes there 366 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: are a lot of crazy people out of here, and 367 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: if they know who your dad is, you could you know, 368 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 4: be in more dangerous, so we want to just lay 369 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 4: low and not tell everybody, Okay, deal. 370 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Okay, And he understood that. 371 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he sure did. 372 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, all right. Now, I also saw you know, 373 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: and we saw the New Addition movie. 374 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: And we've talked about this like numerous times, but I 375 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: always love to make sure because sometimes people still act 376 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: like it's the first time they heard it. But even 377 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: with you joining the group, you were really put there 378 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: to replace Ralph Tresvant, but then he didn't end up 379 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: leaving the group, and people thought that it was for 380 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: to leave to replace Bobby Brown at the time that 381 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: you joined, but then you ended up in a group 382 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: with them, which is interesting. 383 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I didn't know what was going on at 384 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: the time. 385 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: I had no idea that when he was even asking 386 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: me about coming into being into the group, they told me, well, 387 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: it's just gonna even be the the fifth We want 388 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: to go back to a five member group because the 389 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: choreography is a lot more effective about it blah. So 390 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 4: I'm thinking, okay, I didn't realize until I got there, 391 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: we got into Minneapolis, all the madness that was going on. 392 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: I was like, what damn, Okay, all right, but and. 393 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: Then you know, of course Bobby and Bobby and I chocolate, 394 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: chocolate on chocolate. So the first thing you think, oh, 395 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: he came in to replace Bobby, and it was like, no, 396 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: I really didn't. 397 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen the day that you tell your stories 398 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: from everything that we haven't had a chance, you know, 399 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 2: to hear, because I feel like also just thinking about 400 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: like we said, you were in LSG. 401 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Yes, you know as well, and the whole another heads 402 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: of state. That's what I say. You ended up in 403 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: a group with them. 404 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: Anyway, Now tell me how that even happened heads of state, 405 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: because that. 406 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Is an unusual situation. I mean, I guess there was. 407 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: The group and it was always the Republicans against the Democrats, 408 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 4: and so uh, I'm just I'm independent, I'm on the 409 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 4: side who's right. But and at the end of the day, 410 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 4: it was always that myself, Bobby and Ralph that was 411 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: always sitting one side of the fence, Mike and it 412 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: was sitting on the other side of the fence with stuff. 413 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 4: And it's just crazy when you look at our lives 414 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 4: and our relationship today, I'm a gambler man. Out of 415 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 4: all of us, I think I gambled the most of 416 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: someone that said, you guys are going to come to 417 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 4: a place with our brotherhood that's going to be like 418 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: so unique and like no other. And if you told 419 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: me that, I lost everything I own. But I look 420 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: at where we are today and I wouldn't have. I 421 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: couldn't have. Who would have imagined that that. 422 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: Could be where we are? 423 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: I mean, our relationships are not like it's just business. 424 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 4: We're on phones talking each other, but the kids are 425 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: talking and there's no business to be talked about. 426 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: It's just what are you doing? Where you at? What's 427 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: going on? 428 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 4: It's like all of us and it rotates from everybody, 429 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: so it's kind of like you look back and you 430 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: just go, wow, who would have ever thought, you know, 431 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 4: six of us would have that level kind of a relationship. 432 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: You know, but growth, that's what happens when you come 433 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 4: full circle too. 434 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: How was it doing? Had to stay with you, Bobby 435 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: and Ralph? 436 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: That was fun? 437 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: That was fun because we didn't record, We just used 438 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: our catalog and it just started going crazy, like I mean, 439 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 4: it really went bananas where we just was enjoying that 440 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 4: until we had gotten to the point where were talking 441 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: about this, you know, the opportunity of this whole new 442 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: addition coming back together. But we used to, we used 443 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: to have a blast. 444 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 2: I remember when I was in college intern at MTV 445 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: for Fred Jordan and he took me to a New 446 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: Edition concert. I was so excited because he was like, hey, 447 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: you know, I got a ticket. We're gonna go see 448 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: a New Edition. And that was like the most amazing 449 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: show I had seen up to that point in my life. 450 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: And I want to say, but then there were all 451 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: these like everybody has a separate bus, everybody's doing this. 452 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: They're not getting along. They had to come back together 453 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: just to do the tour. 454 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: Wow, it was crazy. 455 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: And now because we had to finish a tour, a 456 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: tour that we ended up that was a nightmare. It 457 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: was like everybody was just all. 458 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: Over the place. 459 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 4: And you know, once again I was you know, I'm 460 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 4: the oldest, so it's always I'm always sitting there trying 461 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 4: to figure out how to make it, pull it all together. 462 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: And uh, it's a blessing to be able to see 463 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 4: how we all have come together, you know, learning how 464 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 4: to listen to every individual, given everybody a voice, making 465 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: sure everybody has has feel a sense of value and 466 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: that means what I agree to disagree with your ideas 467 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 4: sound crazy as hell. We still got to hear from 468 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: everyone and figure out what we feel is best. But 469 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 4: when you to do that allowed, I think us to 470 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 4: really grow because it allows everyone in here to not 471 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: feel like they don't know where they belong and having 472 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: a sense of value for this group and in this 473 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: group because it takes TeamWorks makes the dream work, and 474 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 4: everybody is important and have contribute to why this group 475 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: is what it is today. 476 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: Everyone, what would you tell a young Johnny gil Now, 477 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: you know with the wisdom that you have and like 478 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: you said, you could have never imagined you guys would 479 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 2: get to this point to where all six of you 480 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: could be together doing shows again. 481 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 4: Well, looking at where I am in the position that 482 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 4: I play within my guys, my brothers, and how people 483 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 4: have always said to me that you're an old soul, 484 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 4: like you've been here before, I stay here that all 485 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 4: the time, this kind of language that I speak, this 486 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 4: message that I speak, I've been talking like this since 487 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 4: I was eighteen nineteen. 488 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: You has to sell. And that's why I've always hung around. 489 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 4: Older people simply because I just just always said that 490 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: they're like you're like an whole soul. 491 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 3: And to this day, that's just what I found that. 492 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: It's like my story hasn't changed. 493 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: Looking at life and looking at it in different perspectives 494 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 4: and understanding that there's you know, these things that we 495 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 4: do we have to recognize and understand and put life 496 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: in perspective has always been a goal and has been 497 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: something that has been an awareness for me that I've 498 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 4: had for I don't know how many years. Learning how 499 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 4: to talk to people, learning how to respect people, being 500 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 4: conscious and aware of what you're doing, how you're going 501 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 4: to say what you're going to say. That didn't just 502 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: start when I reached this age. It started early early on. 503 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 4: And most of my friends I've had since last probably 504 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 4: I just turned fifty nine, and I've had most of 505 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 4: my friends all my life. The ones that come in 506 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: my life, it's very few that have gone unless they 507 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: passed away. 508 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: But we don't ever hear no bad Johnny Gil stories. 509 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: Because it's about I'm such a true believer in treating 510 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 4: people the way you want to be treated. Even my friends, 511 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: all my friends that I've been knowing for years, I'm 512 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: still conscious and aware that even if I'm going to 513 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: say something to them. I think about what I'm going 514 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: to say before I say it, how I'm going to 515 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 4: say it, and I don't take it and use as 516 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 4: a crutch. 517 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: Y'all know me. You know what I mean by it. 518 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: If I've said something that's going to be offensive or 519 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 4: offend you, I need to we need to have a conversation. 520 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: That's rare. 521 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 4: Well, people keep saying, but everybody keeps saying, yes, I 522 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 4: have the twenty second But everyone, anybody that knows me, 523 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: they'll tell you he's not your typical Gemini. 524 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 3: Everybody says that. Everybody says that, But I don't know. 525 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 4: I get in my moods like anybody, but I just 526 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 4: learned how to handle them. I don't put him on everybody. Yes, 527 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 4: I can have these mood swings, but you probably won't 528 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 4: know it because I'm so conscious of just making sure 529 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 4: I treat people with the you know, the respect and 530 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: try to treat people with the way, you know, the 531 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: way I want to be treated. 532 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: But I don't. I just always been like that. I've 533 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: always like that. 534 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: You know. 535 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: And Jennifer Hudson, you talked about the fires, and you 536 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: were talking about having had it all and then lost 537 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: it all, but then having to get it back again. 538 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: What was the time that you lost it all back? 539 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: When doing that home again, the home again tour with 540 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: all that stuff went crazy, with all of us got sued. 541 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 4: It was like we got in a taxis. It was 542 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 4: a freaking nightmare. I had to summon home and it 543 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: was the worst I tell you that feeling. I wouldn't 544 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: wish on my worst enemy. But it was something that 545 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: I had to go through, and I had to go 546 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 4: through it because I had to learn from it. 547 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: I look back and I thank. 548 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 4: God for that moment, for that time, because it taught 549 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: me that if I ever had to go through that again, 550 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: that life is more important more than those those are things, 551 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: and I didn't at that time. When you're young, you 552 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: put value into those things. Those things had more, you know, 553 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: meaning to you than life itself. And because I want 554 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 4: to keep up with the jones, we all want to 555 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 4: have and show off and be out, you know, yeah, 556 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: all the whole nine. But it's like these things. Once 557 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 4: you go through that in life, and you realize when 558 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: you come back, if you're fortunate enough to come back 559 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: full circle, there's nothing that I've purchased, There's nothing that 560 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 4: I own that I'm not willing to part with besides God. 561 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 4: And so when I purchased, I just bought a new home. 562 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 4: And when that fire, the fires was going off and 563 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 4: it was right over by me, and the only thing 564 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 4: I did was took a little roller bag and. 565 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: It was like, hey, it could possibly hit here. I shoot. 566 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: My friend of mine said his buddy was looking. They 567 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 4: came by and he goes, is it me? Oh? 568 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: Does he look like he really don't care? And he says, no, 569 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: he don't. 570 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 4: It was just my attitude was like, if it's going down, 571 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 4: thank you God for the time for it and the time, 572 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: a little short time. 573 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 3: That I've had in it. I appreciate it all. 574 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 4: But I'm like, long as I got my life, I 575 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 4: always and I'm good. My health insturant, I'm good. And 576 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 4: all of this is just things mean nothing to me. 577 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: It's just things. 578 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: You know, what did you learn from that when you 579 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: did lose your home and had to sell it and everything? 580 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 2: Because I also look at you, like I said, I 581 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 2: know you're big into collaboration, but I think you've always 582 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: known that you also can go out by yourself and 583 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: get it as a soul. 584 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 4: It is yeah, yeah, I've always understood and said even 585 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: during the times we was having those having issues with 586 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: each other, I've often said, and that's what I've said 587 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 4: for years. I'm like, thank God, I don't need permission 588 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 4: to put a mic in my hand, and I know 589 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 4: if I can get a mic in my hand, get 590 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 4: me to the mic, I think I'll be all right. 591 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: Right, I think I'll be all right. 592 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 4: So it's just one of those things that I've always 593 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: felt like that God had blessed me with, and I 594 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 4: was always I've just been a true believer no matter 595 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: how much you've seen me, you know, collaborate with other people. 596 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 4: The truth of it is is that I've always been 597 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 4: a true believer in not allowing any one person to 598 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 4: control my destiny. And I've always been one that has 599 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 4: been understanding, understood learning the business as well as dealing 600 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: with my talent, because talent is just a part of it. 601 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 4: But you know many have come and gone that it 602 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 4: was just as talented as me, if not more, And 603 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 4: truly it's about understanding the business and realize and that 604 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 4: that's a major part of also longevity. 605 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: So you know what I wanted to ask you too, 606 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 2: because you have such iconic songs that really bring us 607 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: back to a space. I mean when I hear it, 608 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: there you go, and I think about the movie, like 609 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: movie soundtracks was it too. I feel like there's some 610 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: that hit the same now like that are, but I 611 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: feel like it's not like it was, you know, back then, 612 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 2: when the movie soundtrack was like its own standalone, and 613 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: it was. 614 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: Very important for the movies back then too to have 615 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 4: great solid soundtracks for the movies, and they did wonders 616 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: and helping the movie as well as the movies helped 617 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 4: them so. 618 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: And then we hear put on your red dress. 619 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: You know how many people were like, that's the standard, 620 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: right now, you got to put on your You don't 621 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: how many guys bought a red dress for their wife 622 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: or their girlfriend. 623 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: And later on the bed it was like we're going 624 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: out tonight. 625 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: Y'all welcome. A lot of babies made. 626 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: Some of that. 627 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: But then also you have really great songs that have 628 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: at that have a faster tempo, right yeah, rub you 629 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: the right way? 630 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: And what do you prefer to perform. 631 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 4: Both because I'm not a guy that feels like I'm 632 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: old and I want to sit around and sing love 633 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 4: songs all night I love a love song, but I 634 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 4: like to get I like to get loose and have 635 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: fun and. 636 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 3: Party a little bit too. 637 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: As you can see, look at my cookout, y'all see 638 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: me with that red come to my head. 639 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: I was feeling real good. 640 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: Cookout. Put me on the list. 641 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: I'm doing another one. I was just like, everybody kept 642 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: calling me, when are we're doing the next one? You're 643 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 3: doing the next one, I'll fly in. Call me. 644 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: I need to be at the next one. I'm just like, yeah, 645 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it. But I was like, we'll figure 646 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 4: that out. 647 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: What was it like having a Vegas residency too? 648 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 4: It was it spoiled me, but it was fun and 649 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: it was oh my god, go upstairs, come back down 650 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: and not have to go from. 651 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: City to city. 652 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. That money goods and have 653 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 2: different people come to see you. 654 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: It was like, I was like, I almost had a 655 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 3: tear on the last night. I was like, yeah, I 656 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 3: mean it's real. I mean I can come back. 657 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: Listen. But another tour is happening, right. 658 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 3: You're getting ready to make the announcement. It's a big one. 659 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: You like that. I know that already. Yeah, how you 660 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: know because I began to like the little inside it sucks. 661 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: Well, she made the announcement, y'all, I. 662 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: Didn't get this key to the city. Make this announcement. 663 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: What are some things that are still on your bucket list? 664 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 665 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 4: I think it's all about bucket Listen, rock and Roll 666 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame been nominated for a couple of Grammys, 667 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 4: haven't won one yet. Look, I hope that one day 668 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 4: that will happen, But if it doesn't, I'm listen, I'm 669 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: not living for that. That's not what I'm what I 670 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 4: do I do this for. It's simply because those things 671 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 4: just being given to you by your peers and being 672 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 4: recognized and you know, acknowledging my my my work. It's 673 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: all that really is about for me. But it means 674 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: nothing else for me. And it has nothing to do 675 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 4: with feeding my ego to none. 676 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 3: Of those things. 677 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 4: Like I said, those things are just things that encourage me. 678 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: And you have to put those things in perspective. And 679 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: there was a time, you know, when you're a little 680 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 4: younger and your buck while yeah, all that stuff has 681 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 4: you know, mean a different type of meaning to you. 682 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 4: But when you get older, it's just like, yeah, these 683 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: are things that we still want to accomplish, but it's 684 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 4: not the end all tell all. It's not like if 685 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: it doesn't happen, I'm sitting here going, boy, I didn't 686 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 4: have a complete career RCT. 687 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: No, you certainly have and still making music that I 688 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: think sounds just as fresh like for today. 689 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just enjoying it. 690 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: This is what I love doing and it's not like 691 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: somebody's forcing me to do this. So I'm a musician, 692 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 4: I'm a I create, I'm a singer, and so I 693 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 4: all these things are part of my being and I 694 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: believe this is my calling, this is my destiny. So 695 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: I just want to continue to do it until I 696 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: can't do it anymore. I just want to have fun 697 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 4: with it. And now as you get older, I really 698 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 4: have a great appreciation for doing this. I used to 699 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: hate recording, but. 700 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: Now really I would never think that. 701 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 4: Let me tell you, if I in my way, every 702 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 4: song would have been recorded one thing it's like thank you. 703 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 4: I used to hate going over stuff that no, you 704 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 4: gotta pronounce that right, that's that's not and I'm I 705 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 4: would just be sitting here going just let it be 706 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: what it's gonna be. But you know, when you deal 707 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: with perfectionists like Jimmy Janit, Terry Lewis, Babyface and some 708 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: of it in l A and them and those guys, 709 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 4: it was just like, no, you gotta. But they taught 710 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 4: me something and taught me how to record and taught 711 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 4: me also how to go into and learn how to 712 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 4: to do it and be able to still be find 713 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 4: enjoying it and find some happiness in doing that. Now, 714 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 4: when I record, I record when it's I'm feeling it, 715 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: when it hits me, the creative mood hits me. I 716 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 4: stop when I'm not feeling it, or if I'm tired, 717 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: or if it's not where I don't feel like I'm You 718 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: gotta hurry up and get this on this done because 719 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: the studios costing time, you got to pay the records 720 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 4: company back, and it's all this other stuff that you 721 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 4: started carrying, all of these these uh you know the 722 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 4: dad's when you know, dealing when dealing with a major label, 723 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 4: I don't feel that level of pressure anymore because I 724 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 4: record it at home. I can start when I want 725 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: to start when I want, And so it allowed me 726 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 4: to have to enjoy the process. 727 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: Of recording now what a luxury. Oh my goodness, especially 728 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: because you know what it used to be like. 729 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so it's a blessing. It's a blessing, you know. 730 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: I was thinking while we were doing this interview about 731 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: how when we talked about the New Addition movie and 732 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: how they didn't explore as much of what was going 733 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: on in your personal life. But then you also kind 734 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: of maybe don't want to show that because I know 735 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: about one heartbreak, I don't know about any others. I 736 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: don't know what Johnny gil was doing behind the scenes. 737 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: But would that have been something you would have been 738 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 2: willing to even dive into if they wanted to. 739 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I think there's some things that absolutely would have. 740 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: I was a daddy's boy. I didn't feel totally safe 741 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 4: until my dad would come home. There was times too 742 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 4: of just going. 743 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: Back to when we were poor. 744 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 4: When we were we never lived in the hood, we 745 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: never lived in the projects, but we were still poor. 746 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: I didn't have a clue that we wasn't that we 747 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: were we were poor. 748 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 4: I mean, shoot, my mom was getting we was getting 749 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 4: cheesed from the school, were having at the school. We 750 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 4: had to get shoes, Yeah, had to get this getting 751 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: shoes from the school, supporting us to get shoes and 752 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 4: things because I was missing a lot of days out 753 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 4: of school and things. 754 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: That was going on. It was a journey. It was 755 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: a journey. 756 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: And my mom, who who raised four boys that has 757 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 4: been you know, did it all. I mean, I've watched 758 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 4: my mom working two and three jobs and never complain, 759 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 4: never complain. And it's like to see that and to 760 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 4: see what type of woman and look at how we 761 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: all turned out, all of us. What you see when 762 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 4: you see me, you see an extension of my brothers 763 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 4: in the same everybody has that same the same type 764 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 4: of energy and aura. And it's just my mom was 765 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 4: just an incredible, incredible woman who did an amazing job. 766 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: But all of us and part of the reason why 767 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 4: I am the way I am to day. Even when 768 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 4: I was as a kid, I was still doing kids stuff, 769 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 4: you know, hanging out and chasing girls. 770 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: And all break out hearts. 771 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: Like you said, what's the worst way you broken women's heart? 772 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: Is it? 773 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: Any o? That's it? 774 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: That's not? I mean, is there anything that you actually 775 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: honestly feel bad about? Like, man, I wish I would 776 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: have did things a little differently, apologize to her right now. 777 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was there was one that was I you know, 778 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 4: that was really a really serious relationship and uh, and 779 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 4: we had some issues because it was not just me 780 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 4: dating her, but you know, she was she was an Indian, 781 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 4: so it was just a whole nother culture. 782 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 783 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: It was one of probably the most brutal relationships that 784 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 4: I had ever been in. 785 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,239 Speaker 3: And I didn't know. I heard about racism and you 786 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: know that it exists. 787 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 4: I had no idea till we started dating and how 788 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 4: it put us to a point where we weren't arguing. 789 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 4: It wasn't no infidelity, it was none of that stuff. 790 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 4: But I remember she used to spend so much time 791 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 4: with her parents and that her parents used to come 792 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: to see her on the weekends. 793 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 3: They would drive up to see her. 794 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: And I would never forget when we started dating and 795 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 4: she moved out with me, moved to LA with me, 796 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 4: and her parents found out finally and he was our 797 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 4: dad was like just living and he was like, if 798 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 4: I die, don't you come to my funeral and bide. 799 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 4: It's like wow, And I didn't know. I was the 800 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 4: first time I ever experienced that. And I'm going, I'm 801 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 4: a good guy. Whatever but never got to meet them, 802 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 4: just knew about them and heard about them, and then 803 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 4: watching her just completely just start to wither away, just 804 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 4: losing weight and watching her between because it was you know, 805 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 4: they're very time in the family, and just watching her 806 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 4: just going through that whole process, and my goodness, my goodness. 807 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: At one point, I was just like, I gotta gotta 808 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: let it go. We gotta let it go. 809 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 4: They say if you love someone that you have to 810 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: set them free. We both agreed that it was just 811 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 4: like I had reached that point where it was just like, man, 812 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 4: this is crazy. I was so messed up. And probably 813 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 4: I mean I've been through that maybe. 814 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 3: Three times in my whole lifetime in relationships, but that one. 815 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: Was as far as bad breakups. 816 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, just breaking up period. 817 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 4: It was like it was because it's one thing to 818 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 4: break up because you're dealing with in fidelity and you're 819 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 4: dealing with someone lying to your cheating and cheating or something. 820 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 4: It's like, give me something I think that actually helps 821 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 4: you when you have to move in your you know. 822 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: Is the real reason, Like you messed up. 823 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: I'm not taking it back, but when it's out of yours, 824 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: it's just not like that was. 825 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it was a tough one to get 826 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 3: to get over. 827 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: Yeah that was. 828 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: I'm sure that was hard for both of you, but 829 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 2: for her man, Like you said, whether I just don't 830 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: understand how people could be. 831 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: That hateful, Yeah, I didn't to your own family. 832 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 4: And for the longest, when I would see Indian people, 833 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 4: I would get a not in my stomach because I 834 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 4: thought every all of them was like that. Until you 835 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 4: start to meet other people and they hanging out and 836 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 4: you start realizing that, yeah, that they were still still 837 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 4: from that old school. But it's like, for years I 838 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 4: would see Indian people in my I would just get 839 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 4: a nod in my stomach. 840 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. 841 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: Well, listen, I know this weekend is a big one 842 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 2: for you, you know, the key to the entertainer's key 843 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 2: to the city. And then you aren't you also performing 844 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: doing New York City Rise or. 845 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm singing all my songs and everybody else's song. 846 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 4: Y'all got any requests, I'm taking them. 847 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 3: Out. That's exactly We're just gonna party. 848 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: That's a big deal. I'm excited for that. 849 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 4: I'm excited too, and I just I'm so grateful for it, 850 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 4: and so many of my friends are coming out, so 851 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 4: it's just gonna have fun, like surprise friends or just 852 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 4: no friends. 853 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 3: I don't know if they're surprised, but. 854 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: Friends, okay, I know. 855 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what's going to happen. And 856 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming through. You know, it's always all 857 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: the time. I told you, Like, I was just on 858 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: vacation with my friends and I told them, I said, 859 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna be interviewing Johnny Gill, and everybody 860 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: was so excited. They're like telling me, said, but it's 861 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: just so like nostalgic for me too. And then to 862 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: see that you still are, you know, here doing great 863 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: music and doing your thing. 864 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: Are you still a game changer? 865 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 3: Thank you still in the building. 866 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and congratulations again, well deserved having. 867 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 4: Me, and congratulations to you. It's like I've watched your journey. 868 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 4: I've seen you how we all go through to the 869 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 4: next level of our lives, and we see sometimes going 870 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 4: through the process, you'd be sitting there going, God, what 871 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 4: are you trying to do? 872 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 3: But when you look around and you see it, you 873 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 3: go I get it. 874 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a blessing. 875 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is. 876 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: God is good. 877 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: It is. 878 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 4: Congratulations to you, Thank you so much and always gonna 879 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 4: support you. 880 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Let's keep that, Let's keep that. Okay, 881 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 2: it's way up in