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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show, I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by Bo Martona to discuss his greatest lessons learned

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Speaker 2: and best practices for planning an epic Western hunting adventure.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light, and today we are

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Speaker 2: continuing our adventure series, but we are kind of expanding

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Speaker 2: the scope a little bit. The first three episodes we're

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Speaker 2: talking through very specific whitetail hunting adventure ideas. Today we're

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Speaker 2: going to kind of look at a region. We're going

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Speaker 2: to look at the West, how to plan a Western

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Speaker 2: hunting adventure, and really we're just discussing topics that could

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Speaker 2: be applied to a white tail hunt out west, but

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Speaker 2: also an elkon of mule, deer hunt, pronghorn bear, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is. If you want to add some adventure to

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Speaker 2: your hunting season, doing one of these bigger Western trips

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Speaker 2: is a great way to do that. It's a great

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Speaker 2: way to expand your realm of possibilities, to learn new things,

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Speaker 2: to try new things, and to have a wild experience.

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Speaker 2: So that's the plan for our conversation. And my guest

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Speaker 2: is someone who has specialized in that kind of thing

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Speaker 2: for more than a decade now. This is Bomartnic. I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of you guys know who he is.

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Speaker 2: He's been on the podcast before. He's a great white

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Speaker 2: tail hunter, communicator, media podcast guy like me too, from

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Speaker 2: the East, but has increasingly been adventuring out west. He

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Speaker 2: has a podcast and you know YouTube channel and everything

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Speaker 2: that in many ways has focused on you know, how

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Speaker 2: do you go from the East to the West? The East,

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Speaker 2: East meets West Hunt podcast is the name, so it's

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Speaker 2: right there in the title of what he's doing. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of what formed the foundation of his platform. And

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Speaker 2: so he personally has done these things, tried these things,

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Speaker 2: learned about these things. But he has also interviewed probably

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Speaker 2: hundreds of people about these types of adventures, planning these adventures.

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Speaker 2: So he has his own experience plus that of some

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Speaker 2: of the very best in the world. So who better

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Speaker 2: than Beau Martonic. So that's the game plan for today.

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Speaker 2: I want to address one kind of elephant in the

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Speaker 2: room though a little bit, which is that this is

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Speaker 2: something that Bow and I briefly touch on in our conversation,

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Speaker 2: but as the allure and the appeal of heading west

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Speaker 2: has become more and more publicized through media storytelling, podcast,

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Speaker 2: TV shows, originally now YouTube whatever it is, right, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people talking about going west, trying your

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. In recent years, there's also been a

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Speaker 2: little bit of backlasher on that because of the increase

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Speaker 2: in hunting pressure or the increase impact on wildlife and

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Speaker 2: public lands and the landscapes. And that's not unique to hunting.

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Speaker 2: That same kind of pressure and concern has been popping

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Speaker 2: up when it comes to mountain biking, rafting, camping, anything. Right,

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Speaker 2: if you're out there on these landscapes, especially shared public lands,

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Speaker 2: all of this is possible for future generations as well.

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Speaker 2: So that's like a tricky thing. It's a tricky line

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Speaker 2: But it also comes with the responsibility, and that responsibility

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Speaker 2: Follow the rules and regulations, don't trash these places, treat

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Speaker 2: to require we be a part of that future, that

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Speaker 2: urge you to stay engaged, to keep paying attention to

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Speaker 2: this stuff, to sign the petition, send the emails, make

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Speaker 2: have un believable thing in these six hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: million acres of federal public lands. There's many, many more

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Speaker 2: great backpacking, rafting, biking, camping, hiking, whatever your thing is, man,

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Speaker 2: it's there, and it's pretty damn unique to the United States.

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Speaker 2: We're really lucky. But we got to make sure we

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Speaker 2: keep it that way. That's on me, that's on you,

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Speaker 2: So with that out of the way, let's get to

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Speaker 2: my chat with Bow about planning an epic Western hunting adventure.

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Speaker 2: All right with me now? Is Bo mar Tonic Bo.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: Mark, Thanks for having me back on. It's good to

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Speaker 3: see you.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. It's great to have an excuse

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Speaker 2: to catch up. And we're talking about something here today

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this series here this month on Wired Hunt,

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Speaker 2: Why go west? Why West?

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Speaker 4: The reason why I went west, and the reason why

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Speaker 4: And then also the different species that you're able to

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Speaker 4: But I think for the most part for me, it

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Speaker 2: So a lot of that was the same for me.

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Speaker 4: I had read Cameron Haynes's book Backcountry bow Hunting, and

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Speaker 4: fits that mold that you're looking for.

436
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's the truth of it in my opinion.

437
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a lot of that I think also goes

438
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: to expectations right, like what you you know, whether it

439
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: be setting that proper goal or target species or or

440
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: just setting like what am I actually what actually can

441
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: I achieve here? What am I trying to achieve? What

442
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: am I trying to do? Like like so much of

443
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: my I don't know, growth or journey in this whole

444
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: thing over the over recent years has been trying to

445
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: figure out, you know, how to set goals in a

446
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: way where you know, I'm still challenging myself and still

447
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: like pursuing something that's that's exciting or it's going to

448
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: push me, but at the same time making sure that

449
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: it's not like sucking the enjoyment out of it too.

450
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: How have you kind of wrestled with that over the years?

451
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: Has that changed it all for you from from day

452
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: one to where you are now? What's that looking now?

453
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? It has?

454
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 4: And and again like from the western hunting perspective, And

455
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 4: I was actually going to bring this up, was I've

456
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 4: it took it? You don't know until you do something,

457
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 4: but you learn like a style of hunting that you

458
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: like to do. And I've even found this with white

459
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: tails is like, believe me, I love sitting in a

460
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 4: tree that's great and it's fun for a period of time,

461
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: But I like, I love glassing. I've realized I love

462
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 4: to glass, it doesn't matter where I'm at. Like I

463
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 4: love glassing, I love spotting stock. So when I'm looking

464
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: at planning elk hunts, I don't particularly love just going

465
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: through dark timber. It for miles going over blowdowns and

466
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: trees and to feel like I'm just lost hiking most

467
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: of the time because I'm not hearing any bugles.

468
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: Whereas when I.

469
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: Can hunt an area that maybe has a little bit

470
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 4: more of you know, sparse timber, some stuff I can

471
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 4: glass a little bit, maybe do some spot in stock

472
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: and some calling, you know whatever, that to me is

473
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 4: more enjoyable. I'm not saying that's everybody. It depends on

474
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: the style, but for me, I found I like that.

475
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: So it's like, all right, if I'm going to plan

476
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: one of these hunts, like I would rather I would

477
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: rather find a hunt like that that I want to

478
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 4: do that I'm really pumped about doing it and excited

479
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: about that style of hunting. That that's what I'm going

480
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: to put my effort into and do that, And.

481
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: Like I just haven't you know, it's.

482
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: It's funny, like when it comes to whitetails, and especially

483
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 4: in my home state in Pennsylvania, I have because I

484
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 4: spend the most time here, Like I have certain goals

485
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 4: as far as the animal and the caliber of animal

486
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: that I'm chasing and doing that, but if I find

487
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: on these like adventure Western hunts, it's more about the

488
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 4: place and this and the species than anything else. Of like,

489
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: what is my experience going to be in that style

490
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: of hunt that I really want?

491
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: And the more that I've followed.

492
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 4: That, the success has come inadvertently with it. You know,

493
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm still I'm not saying I'm going out there and

494
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: not putting in the work and trying to be successful

495
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: at you know, a particular age class or whatever it

496
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 4: might be.

497
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: But that's not the focal point for me.

498
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: As much as it is to have those experiences in

499
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: those areas in the style hunt that I want, and

500
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 4: the more reps I got into that then have become

501
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: more efficient or you know, better at doing those style

502
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: of hunts. And I'm still not nearly there as far

503
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 4: as I have so much to learn, and even after

504
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 4: doing it for ten years and you know, now doing

505
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 4: multiple hunts per year out West. It's I've gained a

506
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: lot of experience in a shorter amount of time, but

507
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 4: still learning so much.

508
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: And I think having.

509
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: That that, always wanting to learn and find that style

510
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 4: of hunting that you like is makes it so much

511
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 4: more enjoyable for me personally.

512
00:26:50,840 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that resonates allow with me to It's funny.

513
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: It seems like, even though you know, we're both relatively

514
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: young guys and we've been going out West for ten,

515
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: fifteen years, whatever it is, even in that short period

516
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: of time you talked about learning, it seems like there's

517
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: so much that's changed already just in that period. Like

518
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: when I look back on what it was like and

519
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: when I was planning hunts back in like twenty ten

520
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: to eleven something like that, it seems like vastly different

521
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: already now when it comes to certain things, What have

522
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: you seen that's changed the most? Maybe not with you,

523
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: like with what you know personally, but just like the

524
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: whole setting and what's going on out West and how

525
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: you have to plan hunts now. And I don't know,

526
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: do you feel like the pressure is changing? I feel

527
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: like that's That's something I've noticed in some ways already,

528
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: just in this short window. What have you seen across

529
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: across those categories.

530
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think yeah, the pressure which then turns into

531
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 4: the tag allocations. I think that that is definitely it.

532
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 4: And then also the cost of admission to doing so

533
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: and getting tags is a lot more than it was.

534
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: I remember when ELK tags were four hundred.

535
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: Bucks, and now you know there's some states. I mean, heck,

536
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 4: I just put in for Wyoming that was to potentially

537
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: draw a decent unit and put in for the special

538
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: draws almost two thousand dollars to be able to apply

539
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 4: for that tag.

540
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: And that's not and that's not all of them.

541
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: You can still get ELK tags for that seven hundred

542
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: dollars range somewhere in there. Don't get me wrong, but

543
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: I think that the cost of admission, the amount of

544
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: opportunity has decreased, and then the hunting pressure has has

545
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: obviously increased as well. But I still think there's so

546
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: much opportunity there at the same time, it just takes

547
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: a little bit more of of research, planning and maybe

548
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: and maybe changing that instead. The benefit of like when

549
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: we started is you could find an area and you

550
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: could go truly to learn it for four years in

551
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: a row. If you wanted to where now it's really

552
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: difficult to get a tag two years in a row

553
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 4: to really be able to learn it. So trying to

554
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: find some different things that you want to do or

555
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: maybe similar areas that our style of hunting. Like I'm

556
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: talking about saying spot in stock maybe it's in Montana

557
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: this year, in Idaho the next year, and there are

558
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: two different places, but you can find similar style hunts

559
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: to be able to learn it. But I think that

560
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: the planning aspect of it is definitely much much more

561
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: important to it, and because it's just the landscape has

562
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: definitely changed in those areas most That's what I've seen

563
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: the most of, you.

564
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Know, something I've gotten to thinking more and more of.

565
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: And this is something that kind of naturally happens sometimes,

566
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: but I think it might happen more now is just

567
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: given how allocation is going to tags and stuff. I'm

568
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: almost looking at, you know, elk hunting or some of

569
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: these Western trips almost as like a group endeavor in

570
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: which there might be one guy with a tag, right,

571
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: and then a few of you go out there just

572
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: to help out, right, and it's a fun adventure. Still

573
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: you're packing me off the Mountain. Hopefully you're a part

574
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: of it, but you just might not have a tag

575
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: on a given year, do you I mean, do you

576
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: see an appeal to that? I started thinking, Man, I'd

577
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: be happy to go help my buddy when he draws one.

578
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: Like it seems like it's like when you're out turkey

579
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: hunting with friends here at home, right. I love just

580
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: going out and calling for buddies, even if I already

581
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: filled my tag. I wonder if that's I don't know

582
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: if it's sad that that's becoming a reality. I guess

583
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: it kind of is sad that's becoming a reality, but

584
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: it also might be a silver line, like, hey, even

585
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: if you can't draw, there's still ways to have a

586
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: great adventure out there. We can still experience these places.

587
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: We can still you know, go out there and do

588
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: cool stuff even if you can't afford the two thousand

589
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: tis dollar tag this year, or you couldn't draw in

590
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: Utah for a decade. You know, is there is there

591
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: the truth of that?

592
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: I think so?

593
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: And I think that's where it really again. You have

594
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: to look at what your goals and what you're doing

595
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: it for, and it's like, if you're truly going there

596
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 4: for that experience, whether you have the bow or the

597
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: gun in your hand, doesn't necessarily make or break that.

598
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: And I think the people that we're talking to typically

599
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: aren't the people that are looking at things as just

600
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: a bucket list per se of like oh, I want

601
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: to check this animal off my list. They're going for

602
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: that experience. And if that's what your goal is, I

603
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: think that's one a good way of being able to

604
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: do it because you and especially you know, finding a

605
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: group of buddies that you can that you can plan

606
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: that stuff out with, and you know, I try to.

607
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: I have a group of friends that we try to

608
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: you know, align our points so we can.

609
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: Get tags together.

610
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: That's the ultimate goal still, but there times when that

611
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: doesn't work out, and it's like, all right, how can

612
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: we still enjoy that? And like maybe this is the

613
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 4: older that I'm getting, But I enjoy that camaraderie aspect

614
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: so much more now in that just like camp atmosphere

615
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: and being there with buddies and working towards a common goal.

616
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: And I get just as excited, if not more, when

617
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: a buddy of mine shoots one, like when I was

618
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: in Montana this past year.

619
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: Elk hunting.

620
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: Now, we both had a tag, but my cousin had

621
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: never shot an elk before, and I got to watch

622
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: him through the spotting scope shoot a bowl and go

623
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: and recover it and watch him fall over through my

624
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: spotting scope and just be there for that experience for him.

625
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: And it was like that was an absolute blast to

626
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 4: be able to do.

627
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so I guess taking the next step, given

628
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: how things are getting a little more difficult out there,

629
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: there's there's more interest in this stuff, and I should

630
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: bring up. It's not lost on me that many people

631
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: will blame people like you and I BO for part

632
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: of that issue, right, which is a fair that's a

633
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: fair critique. I suppose we are bringing attention to these

634
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: things because we love them and because we think other

635
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: people would love them, appreciated them, and hopefully the hope

636
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: is that if you get people out there to experience

637
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: these things, they not only use the resource and hunt

638
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: and do that stuff, but then they actually you know,

639
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: stick up for it and stand up for your opportunities

640
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: and the resource and the places. But that's a that's

641
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: a tour. What I was gonna say is, given all

642
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: of that, how do you go about planning where you're

643
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: gonna hunt or how you're gonna hunt differently now you

644
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: know that it is different in this kind of way.

645
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: Has it shifted how you choose a productive region or

646
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: a starting point? Has it changed your approach now given

647
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: that you know this is a different world we're in,

648
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 2: or is what you're doing what you did a decade

649
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: ago still basically the same as you're doing now when

650
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: it comes to picking your spots planning the hunt.

651
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's it's funny.

652
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: The way I looked at things ten years ago was

653
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: I had my short term, my midterm, and my long

654
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: term strategy. And again I'm just gonna use ELK for

655
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: an example, but this can be used across the board

656
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: with different species, and I'm going to tell you how

657
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: that kind of has changed a little bit. But you know,

658
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: I'd have my short term, which was like my over

659
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: the counter states that I know I could hunt every year.

660
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: I had my midterm that would take you know, three

661
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 4: to five points to draw and be able to get

662
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: a pretty decent tag. But it's not Then I'd have

663
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 4: my long term states that were like, all right, this

664
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 4: is my you know, if I'm looking for a big bowl,

665
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: like this is what this is what I'm going for,

666
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: and it may only happen two hunts in a lifetime

667
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: to really be able to do that, And that's how

668
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: I looked at it. Well, the short term aspect has

669
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: changed where it's almost the mid term now where it's

670
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: taken more of that three to five years, two or

671
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: two to five years to get some of those you

672
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: know over the counter in quotes, tags type tags and

673
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: units that still have a bunch of hunting pressure and

674
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: everything there. So I still look at that and I

675
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 4: have those in my planning, and I still have less

676
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: of the long term stuff because some of those states,

677
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to get as much opportunity as I

678
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: can in that so instead of like shooting for the

679
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: stars in some of these states, like one state I'm

680
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: looking at right now to plan is New Mexico, and

681
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: it's like I've always just shot for the stars every

682
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: year for the best units and didn't care because it

683
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: was just like a fallback type of plan. Where it's like,

684
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: now I need to kind of work that into my

685
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: regular cycle if I want to hunt.

686
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: Elk every year or every other year and plan it.

687
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 4: Now there's the other side of it of where I've

688
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: been able to draw some decent tags in that mid

689
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: level the last few years and see how much better

690
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: the experience is, and it's like, man, that's that's pretty

691
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 4: awesome and to and I don't really want to go

692
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 4: back to having fighting you know, ridiculous crowds and doing that.

693
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: So I've kind of looked at it too of And

694
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: this is because I have I've had enough experience elk

695
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: cunting where I don't feel like I need to go

696
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: every single year to get those those reps. And I've

697
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: learned enough that I know that if it takes me

698
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 4: a couple of years to get back that, I feel

699
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: still pretty good about it. Where maybe I'm going to

700
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: fill that in with something that is more reachable in

701
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: a different species. Maybe I've been looking at antelope punting,

702
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: which I've never done before. I've looked at you know,

703
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: different white tails across different regions to be able to

704
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: fill that in, or tagging along with buddies or going

705
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: to different places to fill those those you know, short

706
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: term adventure goals. So I can still make sure that

707
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: I'm doing something like that every year, but it's it's

708
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: just changed. You've had I've had to get a little

709
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: bit more, I guess open minded and change. It's not

710
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: as is not as cut and dry of a strategy

711
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 4: as it used to be, where it was like, all right,

712
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 4: here are my six states I'm applying for, and here's

713
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 4: short term, mid term, long term. It's kind of things

714
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 4: are floating around a little bit and and god, I've

715
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 4: I think you have to be open to trying some

716
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: other different things that maybe aren't as popular or you

717
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: know whatever, to to have those opportunities and continue to

718
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 4: have those opportunities. But I think it is important to

719
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: look at it in the respective.

720
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: You don't want to.

721
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: If you're if you're just wanting to draw good units

722
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: l cunting per se and it's going to take you

723
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: six seven years, Well, if you only l count every

724
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: six seven years and you've never and you've never really

725
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: done that, by the time you get that good tag,

726
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: you're not going to know what to do or have

727
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 4: those lessons in those experiences of doing doing it. But

728
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: all of those other trips, even the white tail trips,

729
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: there's a lot of the similar planning that goes into it.

730
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: You know, emergency gear that you have in your truck

731
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 4: in case something happens. Building a hunt plan, so you

732
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 4: have multiple areas picked out in case this area has

733
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: a bunch of pressure, this area has no water, or

734
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: whatever the situation might be.

735
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: A lot of those skills.

736
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: Translate by just going out of state or out of

737
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: your area and do that that can help. I don't

738
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: know if that that made a lot of sense, but

739
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: for me, it's it's an ever changing thing, but it

740
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: definitely takes looking at a lot of options and having

741
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: a plan, Like I have a spreadsheet where I have,

742
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: you know, kind of the states that are deadlines, build

743
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 4: out and kind of like all my points on there

744
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: in different areas, and I'm always looking at it ahead

745
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: of time to be able to plan.

746
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: So one, I guess one more step beyond that then

747
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: thinking a little bit more hunt strategy sort of you

748
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: you alluded earlier to, you know, backpacking versus truck hunting

749
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: and how you can move around, right, That's one thing

750
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: that I've wondered, and You've talked to more people than

751
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: I've talked to about this in recent years when it

752
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: comes to going on an elk hunt these days out

753
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: there or a meal deer hunt or whatever. You know,

754
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: for a long time, it was always hiking as far

755
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: as you can get far away from the roads, get

756
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: to the deepest, darkest back country. But now everyone is

757
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: a mountain monster. Everyone wants to be campaigns, everyone wants

758
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: to go in ten miles, sixteen miles, twenty miles to

759
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: get to the darkest hole in the Elk Woods. Have

760
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: you seen yourself or have you been hearing from more

761
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: folks finding that maybe maybe that's not working as well

762
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: as it used to and there's maybe there is there

763
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: becoming more opportunity close to the road, or is there

764
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: an advantage to moving around with the car or or not.

765
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: I guess I'm curious from your perspective and others, where

766
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 2: do things stand with what's the best way to find

767
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: pockets of opportunity now, given the fact that there's more

768
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: intro people are more able to do this stuff and

769
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: more aware of how to get into the mountains and

770
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 2: be in good shape and can get to those spots.

771
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just say yes.

772
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 4: So over the last especially in the last really since

773
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: covid is, I've really changed that perspective and I've seen

774
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: it where there are more people that are hiking way

775
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: back in and more capable to do so and have

776
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 4: that opportunity.

777
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 3: And then there's still the people that are probably.

778
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 4: Never going to leave the roads and are going to

779
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 4: glash from the roads or maybe hike in a mile here,

780
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: and there's a gap in between of of those those places.

781
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 4: And I'll give you I'll give you a real example

782
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: here this previous year in Montana, I was there hunting

783
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 4: and our plan was I have the stuff to backpack

784
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: in the truck, but I also am ready to you know,

785
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: stay at the truck. And we were finding just a

786
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 4: ton of side by sides and local people that were

787
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: running the roads, glass in the pockets from the roads.

788
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: We're like, all right, let's let's go back into this area.

789
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: Let's backpack in. And luckily we didn't take our backpacking

790
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: stuff the first time. We're just like, let's go check

791
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: it out and if it's good enough, we'll make the

792
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: long hike back out, and then the next day we'll

793
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: carry in our stuff to do it and get in there.

794
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: And it was like every peak I was seeing spot

795
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: and scopes, you know, way back in worse than it

796
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: was next to the road. And I'm like, man, like,

797
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: what are we gonna do as far as as hunting

798
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: with hunting this and what we ended up finding was

799
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 4: there were these pockets that he only had to hike

800
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: in a little ways. But if you I looked on

801
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: the maps and it was like, all right, what are

802
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: the areas you can't see from the road but aren't

803
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: really destination places to hike back into. And that's where

804
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: we ended up killing both of our bulls this past year.

805
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: And Montana was like, that was what we did, was

806
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: found those gaps where the people weren't And sometimes that's

807
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: a floating scale of of learning it on the fly,

808
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: and I think that's where it's employed when you're building

809
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: up a hunt plan of areas to check out is

810
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: having multiple options, having the deep options, having the mid options,

811
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: and having the close options they're available, and seeing because

812
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: a lot of times you don't know, and year to

813
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: year that can change a lot. The area we were hunting,

814
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: my cousin had hunted it the years prior and was like,

815
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: man that uh, He's like, I didn't never saw this

816
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: amount of pressure in here. And they were all you know,

817
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: us non residents get a lot of craft for it,

818
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 4: and they were all residents that were that were there,

819
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: and it was like we had to adapt from what

820
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: had worked in previous years, and it was like, all right,

821
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: that that was where what we found was like all right,

822
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: that mid level And then I've I've seen that in

823
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 4: other places as well as like finding those those mid

824
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: level spots and that maybe that maybe you still have

825
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: to go in a little ways, but maybe it's on

826
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: the backside of private or you have to loop around.

827
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: It's not next to the hiking trails, because if there's

828
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: a hiking trail it goes nine miles back. Even though

829
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 4: it's nine miles, it's easier for someone to walk then

830
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: if you only had to go a mile down this

831
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: steep drainage and up the other side. And I think

832
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 4: that that is something that I've learned. But being having

833
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: the ability to be mobile and come back to the

834
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: truck is like, I love the allure of backpack hunting,

835
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: but from a success standpoint, being able to move and

836
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: adapt on the fly with having a vehicle to help

837
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: save your legs a little bit to move to different

838
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: spots is really really beneficial.

839
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: So continuing down that line of thinking and when it

840
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: comes to like trying to figure out, you know, being

841
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: able to get to the spots you want to get

842
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: to what's realistic, what's necessary, what's not. You mentioned earlier

843
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things that was like an adjustment

844
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: for you was was the reality of the physicality of it, Right.

845
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a huge thing for a lot

846
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: of people trying to do this for the first time

847
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: or trying to take it to the next level, is

848
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: how do you make sure you're physically ready? And I'm

849
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: curious about what you've found has been the reality of

850
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: what's needed, Like what level of physical fitness is necessary?

851
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: What do you find as a worthwhile focus area. I mean,

852
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: there's this one like there's like the pinnacle, there's like

853
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: this elite mountain athlete kind of thing that we see

854
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: in the media ton now, and then there's like the opposite,

855
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: which is the guy who drives around the side by

856
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: side and steps out five feet and that's all they do.

857
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: What realistically is something that someone should aim towards being

858
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: able to do what's the kind of training, the kind

859
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: of physical fitness level that you've found is helpful and

860
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: that folks that are relatively new to this stuff should

861
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: focus on. Because I guess this is a very roundabout question.

862
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Some people might look and say, like, man, there's Cameron Haynes,

863
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: I'm not Cameron Haynes, or I'm not Bomartonic or I'm

864
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: not whoever. I couldn't possibly do this On the flip

865
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: side of those guys who spend all of their time

866
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: doing bench presses and think they're gonna crush it in

867
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: the mountains and then they've got great pecks, but they

868
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: can't make it up the side of the mountain. Uh,

869
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: where's the middle ground or where is the reality there?

870
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's a that's a that's a big question.

871
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: But I'll start it with saying that I've never I've

872
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: never been on a hunt and wished I was in

873
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 4: worse shape, So like to start to start with that,

874
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 4: I will.

875
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: I will say that.

876
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: But at the same respect, if you have two hours

877
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: in a day and that that may be a stretch

878
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 4: to say that you're you can put towards, you know,

879
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 4: planning a hunt or doing something. To spend all two

880
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: hours of that in the gym is probably not the best.

881
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: I think consistency is important more than anything when it

882
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 4: comes to movement and doing things. And and I've done

883
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: a lot of the fitness programs that were super high

884
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 4: intensity and and you know, I felt in really great shape.

885
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: And I I've turned a little bit a buddy of mine,

886
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: Todd Bumgardner. He's a trainer and he worked with me

887
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: on a different approach.

888
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: It's more on.

889
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: Consistency and doing things that still involves strength training and

890
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: involves doing things like bench press and deadlifts, but it's

891
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 4: also just moving a lot more. And it's like, okay,

892
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: if you can move seven days a week, sometimes that

893
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 4: might be a thirty minute walk to be you're going

894
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: to get yourself in a pretty good spot doing some rocking,

895
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: having a little bit of diversity in there, but it

896
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be two hours a day of that

897
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 4: training to make myself feel capable. And like it came

898
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 4: down for me, it was like all right. That first year,

899
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: like I said, I struggled on the fitness side with it,

900
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: and I've also realized there's always going to be a

901
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: level of struggle with the fitness no matter how good

902
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: is shape you're in. So it's like get yourself as

903
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: good as you can, but definitely don't miss out on

904
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 4: the other things that you should be preparing for. Like

905
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: for me, it was like all right, shooting when how

906
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 4: can I take advantage of this opportunity when it comes there,

907
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 4: Understanding the animal behavior in those areas, doing that research

908
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: on that, and like, I think a lot of people

909
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: put so much time into, you know, researching units and stuff,

910
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: which I think is really good, but you know, typically

911
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: I had heard Dustin Rose say this before about sheep hunting,

912
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 4: and it was like, if there'sn't allotment of tags, there's

913
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: going to be animals there to be able to find.

914
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: It's up to you to be able to find them.

915
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 4: And I think understanding, learning the area that you are

916
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: planning on hunting once you make that decision, the what

917
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 4: they're doing, the type of landscape where they like to bed,

918
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: where they like to feed, you know, worry maybe be

919
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: able to see them at doing the scouting. Planning that

920
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 4: kind of stuff is equally as important as the physicality

921
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 4: of it. And uh, yeah, that may be I kind

922
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: of diverted there a little bit, but I think fitness

923
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 4: is super important. I don't I don't want to relax

924
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 4: on that, but I think being more consistent with it

925
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 4: than overthinking the intensity and the.

926
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: And and making that be a barrier to do it.

927
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 4: And I think there's there's a part of it where

928
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: like myself, I thought I was in good shape and

929
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 4: I went out there and figured that first time, and

930
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 4: it was also because of the unit and stuff that

931
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 4: I picked. Now it's like, all right, you don't have

932
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: some of that time. Maybe you look at some areas

933
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: or some species that don't require hiking up to eleven

934
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 4: thousand feet and through this steep stuff to be able

935
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 4: to have that experience, get your feet wet in it,

936
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: and then you know, evolve through time.

937
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: When it comes to when it comes to fitness, Yeah.

938
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: So the the the I guess the other part of

939
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: this there's like your physical fitness, and then is your

940
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: mental fitness, which sometimes might be just as important. I

941
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: think on some of these Western adventures. What have you

942
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: learned yourself about getting your head right, your mindset right,

943
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: your attitude right on these trips? And is there anything

944
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: that you have learned over this ten plus years or

945
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: whatever it is that has changed how you approach that.

946
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's that's a great question. The first thing

947
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: that I'll say is when it comes to the that's

948
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: a you know, a buzz word, you know, mental toughness,

949
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: And it's like, how do you define like even actually

950
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 4: being able to, you know, get more mentally tough. And

951
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of that in that consistency

952
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 4: that I talked about, whether it's working out or maybe

953
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 4: it's shooting your bow, and that you when you set

954
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 4: these goals and even when things aren't uh, I guess

955
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 4: it's it's even more important when things aren't convenient to

956
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: be able to do so just making it happen no

957
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: matter what.

958
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: You know.

959
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: One of my goals this winner was shooting my bow

960
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: every day in my basement, even if it's one shot,

961
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 4: to be able to do so. And last night was

962
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 4: an example. I was like, I'm like, man, I forgot

963
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: to shoot my bow today. You know, it's like all right,

964
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: went down, shot a couple of arrows, focused on it,

965
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 4: did it. And I think that repetitiveness of creates that

966
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 4: mental side of it that does help you in those

967
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: situations when things don't go the way that you want

968
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: it to. And I think having as much prepared as

969
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: you can and again as you can to will help

970
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: reduce those stressors in there. When you reduce stressors, that

971
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: helps you get through those situations when when things do

972
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: come up, because ultimately things are going to come up now.

973
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 4: One thing that I've changed is I put a lot

974
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: more emphasis on both food and sleep. And we hear

975
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 4: that grind and grind and you're on these hunchs, gonta grind.

976
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: You get to you get through it, and it's like

977
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 4: you are grinding. Don't get me wrong, you're hiking a lot.

978
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: But I've put a lot of emphasis on the sleep component.

979
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: I have learned that in my everyday life from when

980
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: I was doing the two jobs and trying to side

981
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: gig the podcast and my regular I wasn't sleeping very much,

982
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 4: and it was like I wasn't as efficient as I

983
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: could have been because of I didn't have the energy.

984
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: Or the focus to be able to do so.

985
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 4: So like it's like, all right, if you have ten

986
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: days to be able to hunt, day five, you're just

987
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 4: absolutely struggling. Yeah, could you really maybe go checking out

988
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: these betting areas midday? Maybe you should just take a

989
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 4: nap and uh be able to do you know, take

990
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: a little bit of a break and not feel I

991
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 4: used to feel guilty of like I need to be

992
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 4: doing something, I need to be doing something productive. It

993
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 4: was like, Nope, I'm gonna you know, get some rest here.

994
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: And it's like, especially if you're in a spot where

995
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 4: you're glassing or doing something where the first light in

996
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: the in the last light are super important, maybe sleeping

997
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 4: in isn't an option, but getting some rest in that

998
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 4: middle of the day time frame can help you there.

999
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: And just putting good food in your body instead of

1000
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 4: just eating like complete trash with it, because your food

1001
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 4: and your gut health has so much impact on your

1002
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: brain and being able to make decisions and.

1003
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: For me, the.

1004
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 4: Most rest that I can be and having good food

1005
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 4: and helps me make clear decisions when things aren't going well,

1006
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 4: because you're gonna run into situations where you're not finding

1007
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 4: any animals. You war out, maybe you roll your ankle,

1008
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: you have some sort of adversity that causes you to

1009
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: be like man, maybe next year, and it's like, no,

1010
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 4: I mean think about it. All the people you've talked

1011
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 4: to from a white tail standpoint or any type of hunting,

1012
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: and all the people I've talked to, the most consistent

1013
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: thing I see of successful hunters, no matter what species,

1014
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 4: is that they don't quit and they if they haven't

1015
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 4: a lot of time, they go to the end.

1016
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: There's so many examples of when.

1017
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 4: You can shoot something on the last day and being

1018
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: able to stay to stay in the game until then

1019
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 4: is super important. And again that example in Montana from

1020
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: the hunt last year, it was day ten, the last

1021
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: day I.

1022
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: Could be there.

1023
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 4: I was running to I had these two younger guys

1024
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: that seemed to be following me around everywhere, and they

1025
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 4: went and cut me off on a stock and I

1026
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: was really, you know, bummed, and I was I was

1027
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 4: starting to get in a bad mental space, but I

1028
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: was like, nope, just stay here, keep doing it. They

1029
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 4: ended up bumping the elk ran into a position that

1030
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 4: I could put a stock on and I killed the elk,

1031
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 4: And it was like on the last day of the

1032
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: hunt and putting together being able to stay in the

1033
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: game for that instead of being like, you know what,

1034
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to head back and white tail season opens

1035
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: here in PA, Like I can get back for that

1036
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 4: instead of missing the opening day.

1037
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: Like you can start to you can start to create.

1038
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 4: Things in your mind on why a situation isn't good,

1039
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 4: And like what happens to me a lot is when

1040
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: my alarm's going off in the morning, they're in hunting season,

1041
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 4: and I can create like thirty reasons in my head

1042
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 4: on why I shouldn't get up and why I should

1043
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 4: stay there a little bit longer. And I think, and

1044
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 4: the more you do these things, the more you learn

1045
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 4: that and are able to get over some of that stuff.

1046
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: There's going to be a struggle with it no matter what.

1047
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 4: But I think again, going back to recapping that sleep

1048
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: or just rest, putting good food in your body and

1049
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 4: trying to eliminate any of those additional.

1050
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: Stressors that you could have, will help.

1051
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 4: You be able to mentally get through some of those

1052
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: stuff situations.

1053
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: I want to drill into those two things a little

1054
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: bit more so food specifically, how are you approaching the

1055
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: food you eat on these trips? What are you doing

1056
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: to make sure you're eating good food that's giving you

1057
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 2: the fuel you need physically and mentally? Like, what specifically

1058
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: are you doing, How do you plan that out? What

1059
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: do you like?

1060
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's taken. That's taken a while to get

1061
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: that right. The first thing I learned is when you're

1062
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 4: doing something, especially a extremely physical hunt, you need more

1063
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: food than you think you do, and you're not going

1064
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 4: to be as hungry. You're gonna want to leave food

1065
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 4: in that bag. I put everything in a gallon ziplock

1066
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: bag and that's for each day. And it's like, there's

1067
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 4: so many times I don't want to eat some of

1068
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 4: the stuff that's in there, and it's like, I know

1069
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: I need to because I've done it before where I've

1070
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 4: got myself sick because I lost so much weight because

1071
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 4: I only had planned for twenty five hundred calories a

1072
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 4: day and it was like, all right, on a normal day,

1073
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 4: that would get me through just fine. But when you're

1074
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: hiking seven, eight, nine ten miles a day in rugged

1075
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: train with twenty thirty pounds on your back, that you're

1076
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: burning way more than that and you can't really fully

1077
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 4: recoup that amount of calories. But I set a calorie

1078
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: goal depending on the physicality of the hunt, and that's

1079
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 4: kind of where I start with. And I try to

1080
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 4: focus on proteins. And I'm not a I want to

1081
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: put this out there. I'm not an expert in this stuff,

1082
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 4: but this is just for me what has worked.

1083
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: I put.

1084
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: You know, I put an emphasis on protein because on

1085
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 4: the recovery side of it, I eat a lot of

1086
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 4: fats in my normal diet, so that's what I want

1087
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 4: to put fats in there, and maybe a little bit

1088
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: more carbohydrates that I normally would help give me a

1089
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 4: little bit of that energy. So I'm having something that

1090
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 4: I eat, you know, for and I eat throughout the day.

1091
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: I mean it's like almost every hour that I'm eating,

1092
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: just something keeping yourself fueled, not waiting until you're starving

1093
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: to be able to eat, and that helps me keep going.

1094
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: And then as far as the actual specific food I'm

1095
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: bringing now, most of it is pretty healthy from the

1096
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 4: per se of what you can do from a backpacking

1097
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: perspective or like you know, in the form of bars

1098
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: and different snacks there. But I also have learned that

1099
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 4: I need at least one thing a day that I

1100
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: just like, it doesn't even have to be healthy, that's

1101
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: just something that mentally I enjoy, something salty typically that I.

1102
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: Can treat yourself a little bit.

1103
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: Treat yourself and give you that that And I almost

1104
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 4: have like a goal of like I don't want to

1105
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 4: eat that first thing in the morning. I set that, like,

1106
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 4: you know, that mid afternoon timeframe of like that's what

1107
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to eat that particular thing.

1108
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: And I play these.

1109
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: Mind games with myself and I've learned that my body

1110
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 4: doesn't do as well. If I get up in the

1111
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: morning and try to eat a big breakfast, say I

1112
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 4: have like a Heather's Choice meal or Peak Refuel meal

1113
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: and this big, you know, thousand calories first thing in

1114
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: the morning, I just don't stomach it really well. So

1115
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: for me, it's like, all right, I might get up,

1116
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 4: have a cup of coffee, but then hike to my

1117
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 4: glassing point or where I'm going to start hunt for

1118
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 4: an hour or an hour and a half or so,

1119
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 4: and then make that meal and have it because that's

1120
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 4: for me, that's how my body feels a little bit

1121
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: better with it to be able to do so. And

1122
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 4: then I'll start with that kind of like that bigger

1123
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 4: meal and then snack throughout the day, and then I'll

1124
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 4: have one big dinner when I'm back at camp at night,

1125
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: no matter what time that is. I make sure that

1126
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 4: I do that, And that's kind of how I structure it.

1127
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: So for your throughout the day snacks are those like

1128
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: bars or are you doing like peck your own you know,

1129
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: whole don't nuts, jerkys stuff like that, Like what are

1130
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: you specifically eating throughout the day.

1131
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: Uh, there's a mixture.

1132
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 4: So I'll do like like I really like the pro

1133
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: bar meals, the meal bars that they're high in calories

1134
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: and pretty good tasting. So I'll get, you know, I'll

1135
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: have one of those, then I'll have one of the

1136
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 4: protein bars. I'll keep one of those, and then from there,

1137
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 4: it's like a mixture of trail mix that that I like,

1138
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: some different nuts, some raisins that are kind of mixed

1139
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 4: in there. And then I'll do like a snackstick per se,

1140
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 4: whether it's something of my own, like I'll have snacksticks

1141
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: made that are like from an elk or deer that

1142
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: I shot that I can take those and have them,

1143
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: or something like those fatty meat sticks that you can

1144
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 4: have that are just I just meat. So I like

1145
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 4: having that jerky if I have it, that would be

1146
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: a good option. And really it's like those types of

1147
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 4: things kind of a mixture of nuts, bars and uh,

1148
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: and then something some sort of meat that I can

1149
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 4: have that's that can be packaged and stable to be

1150
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 4: in your backpack all day. And then and then some

1151
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: sort of a dried fruit. I love fruit. I eat

1152
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 4: fruit a lot on a normal basis, So whether it's

1153
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 4: like the dried banana chips or strawberry something along those lines,

1154
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 4: I'll put that in there as well. And then the

1155
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 4: last thing that that I'll do is like they're not

1156
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 4: they're they're pretty good, but they're more of just like

1157
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 4: from a straight fuel standpoint, is the packets of like

1158
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 4: a nut butter that you can squeeze and and sometimes

1159
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 4: I'll put that right on my bar is like almost

1160
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 4: like a topping on it, or I'll just eat it

1161
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 4: right out of the packet, and like a macadamia nut

1162
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 4: or peanut butter type thing. Straight peanut butter is not

1163
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 4: good for me because it sticks to the roof of

1164
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: my mouth and I just can't can't stomach it. But

1165
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 4: those are those are the types of things. But I

1166
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: try to mix it up where like a mixture of

1167
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 4: something has a little bit of that salty and then

1168
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: something that's you know, chocolatey and then some fruit and

1169
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: just try to mix it up a little bit there.

1170
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 4: And then like for the breakfast and the dinners, I'll

1171
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 4: add either olive oil to the dinners or coconut oil

1172
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: to the breakfast in the morning to give me some

1173
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 4: extra calories in there as well.

1174
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: So that's those are some of the things that I do.

1175
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So then what about sleep? You mentioned the big

1176
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: one or a big one being you know, giving yourself

1177
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: permission to rest sometimes middle of the day, which which

1178
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: is something that I've found to applies to like my

1179
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: white tail rut hunts. I used to be feel like

1180
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: guilty if I didn't hunt the entire day every day

1181
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: for weeks on end. Finally kind of realized that I

1182
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: was getting diminishing returns, so that that resonates with me

1183
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: a lot. Is there anything you've found that helps you

1184
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: get a better night of sleep, whether it be like

1185
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: your sleep system, like the gear you're actually using, or

1186
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: anything else that just helps you sleep well and comfortably

1187
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: and get a full, you know, full refuel coming out

1188
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: of that.

1189
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1190
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 4: So uh, I've learned to not skimp on a sleeping

1191
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: pad if you're sleeping like in a tent, having something

1192
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 4: even if you're backpacking that may weigh a little bit

1193
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: more but has some more cushion r value, some more

1194
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: insulation value to it. So I like to sleep on

1195
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: my side a lot. And if you have the super

1196
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 4: thin ones, your shoulders dig into the ground and you're

1197
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 4: constantly waking up and rolling. So making yourself be able

1198
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 4: to have a good sleep and then a pillow like

1199
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 4: I have. I think it's a seat of Summit one,

1200
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 4: but it has like a fleece on it, so it's quiet.

1201
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: Like some of those.

1202
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: Blow up pillows when you rub your head on them,

1203
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 4: it's just it's loud and annoying. And you have to

1204
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 4: wrap it with like a You can always wrap it

1205
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: with a shirt or something that helps. But both the

1206
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 4: sleeping pad and the pillow are our big assets to

1207
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 4: being able to do that. Now, when it comes to

1208
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 4: the truck, I have kind of a bougie system where

1209
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 4: I've got the rooftop tent on there that's got a

1210
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 4: nice pad in it, and man, is that so nice

1211
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 4: to be able to sleep in versus like the back

1212
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: seat or something along those lines. But figuring out whatever

1213
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 4: it is, figuring out a way to make it more

1214
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 4: comfortable for you to be able to sleep as close

1215
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: as you can to what it's like at home, even

1216
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: though it's not going to necessarily be that way, will

1217
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 4: help you in that regards. And if I have, if

1218
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 4: I have where I can, if I know I can

1219
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: get at least six hours, I'll take like a sleeping gummy.

1220
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 4: So like I have the they're like the mountainop slumber ones.

1221
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: I take those.

1222
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 4: It helps, but if I don't have six hours to

1223
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 4: be able to accumulate at night, then I'll wake up

1224
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 4: too groggy with them, So that's that, But that helps

1225
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 4: make sure I'm in kind of a deep, a deep sleep.

1226
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 4: But for the most part, I think is focusing on

1227
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 4: the you're sleeping arrangement and that you're comfortable and even

1228
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 4: like you're sleeping bag or if you're or if you're

1229
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: in like say a truck or you have something real blankets,

1230
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 4: whatever it is, make sure you're warm enough or not

1231
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 4: too hot. Just thinking of the situation you're going to

1232
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 4: be in and trying to make your sleep as as

1233
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 4: comfortable as possible will help you with it. And when

1234
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 4: it comes to like the midday napping, that can be

1235
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 4: difficult to get yourself in a good spot. If you're

1236
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 4: tired enough, you know you can sleep anywhere, but trying

1237
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 4: to get out of the sun, trying to find a

1238
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: good spot, maybe dig yourself out a little place in

1239
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 4: the side of the hill if you're on something that's

1240
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: somewhat steep, and I've found taking three minutes dig you

1241
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 4: out yourself out of spot is better than when I

1242
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: just lay down and I try to make it comfortable

1243
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 4: and trying to dig my heels in. If you've ever

1244
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 4: done that on the side, and you're like thinking you're

1245
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 4: gonna be okay, and then you keep sliding, and it's

1246
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 4: like the amount of time that you spend trying to

1247
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: get yourself comfortable. If you would have spent three minutes

1248
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 4: in prep work and getting yourself a nice spot, would

1249
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 4: have been would have been better. Those are some lessons

1250
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 4: I've learned with with that.

1251
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: It's good stuff. So one last gear question. I think

1252
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: gear is one thing where people can obsess and can

1253
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: spend tons of time researching and try and make sure

1254
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: they've got the perfect thing of everything. And kind of

1255
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: on the flip side, sometimes people will look at all

1256
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: the gear for a western trip of some kind and

1257
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: find it like cost prohibitive because they think like, oh gosh,

1258
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: you know, Mark's using that fancy thing, and Bozie's in

1259
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: that fancy thing, and this guy's got this fancy thing,

1260
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: and if you look at all that, it costs so

1261
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: much money, you know. I think oftentimes you can get

1262
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: away many times with something much more budget conscious and

1263
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: still get out there and be fine. But if there

1264
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: was one thing or one category of gear bowl that

1265
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: you'd say, like, that's the one thing I really do

1266
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: want to spend extra for. What would be that one

1267
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: type of item or category or something that you would say, like, hey,

1268
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 2: everything else you can kind of get away with mid

1269
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: tier budget or whatever, but this is the one thing

1270
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: where do your very best to buy the best you

1271
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: can get.

1272
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 4: I have two that but they kind of go together.

1273
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 4: I'll say I'm both here, but it'd be boots in

1274
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 4: your clothing. I think those to your boots because like,

1275
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 4: if you're you're hiking, if you don't have proper fitting boots,

1276
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 4: any footwear, whatever you're wearing, that is going to make

1277
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 4: you miserable. If you can't if your wheels on your

1278
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 4: body aren't able to move, that's that's a that's a problem.

1279
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 4: So having that and then the clothing from the temperature

1280
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: regulation side of it, and because it can actually be

1281
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 4: dangerous in those environments white tail hunting, I still think

1282
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 4: it's it's important, but you can get away with a

1283
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 4: little bit more because you're you know, you can get

1284
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 4: out and walk back to your truck in ten minutes

1285
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 4: sometimes and be okay again, where you're in in the mountains,

1286
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 4: you hike back in even if your truck camp and

1287
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 4: you might be a few miles away and it's difficult to.

1288
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: To be able to get back.

1289
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 4: So having something that can regulate temperature well and be

1290
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 4: able to do that and build just understanding layering concepts

1291
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 4: is is important. And like you know, we could look

1292
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 4: at it and again, like you know, you're you're gonna

1293
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 4: be fully kitted out and first light and have it

1294
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 4: head to toe and I'm gonna have my sica and

1295
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 4: you look at us and you're like, oh man, those

1296
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 4: guys are But when you're in those systems going to

1297
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 4: cost a lot of money, well, it's like you can

1298
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 4: build things out and still have a good clothing system

1299
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 4: without going all out right off the bat.

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 3: You know, you can maybe you have.

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01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 4: Something that's a good bass layer that's not Coughton just

1302
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 4: to begin with that you can wear and you're like, oh,

1303
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 4: I really need something that's a wind proof outer jacket

1304
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 4: or I need a rain jacket. It's like, okay, maybe

1305
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 4: I focus my money there, get by with what I have,

1306
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 4: and then once you go on these hunts, you learn like, okay,

1307
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 4: this either worked or this was like all right, this

1308
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 4: is kind of a problem, and I want to upgrade

1309
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 4: that next year. And I and I the only reason

1310
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: why I didn't say pack in that because that's I'd

1311
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 4: put that almost as number three. But if you're if

1312
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 4: your truck hunting, you can get away with the lesser

1313
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 4: of a pack and the only problem being the pack

1314
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 4: out of maybe being very uncomfortable, but you can get

1315
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 4: by with that a little bit more and then need

1316
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 4: to do that. Packs are definitely important. And I'm saying

1317
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: all this is I'm an absolutely geared nut and nerd,

1318
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 4: and I love having good gear and focusing on it.

1319
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 4: But a lot of that has come from the experience.

1320
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 4: If I was the guy before that that overthought it,

1321
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 4: bought too much of things and then realize some of

1322
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 4: that even that expensive stuff that I bought was not

1323
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 4: as good for me personally or the pursuits that I

1324
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 4: was doing, and then I had to rebuy again.

1325
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,879
Speaker 3: Versus if I were to go out.

1326
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 4: And use something, say it was a stove, a cooking

1327
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 4: stove or something, and you're like, you went out and

1328
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 4: you figured out this lightest weight system and all these things,

1329
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 4: but realized that it didn't have any protection for the

1330
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 4: wind that was coming through it, or it would blow

1331
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 4: over if there was any wind gusts because it was

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01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 4: so light.

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01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: But if you just go out.

1334
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 4: And you do it and you try it out, it's like, Okay,

1335
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 4: this is what I need in this scenario, or these

1336
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 4: are the attributes that I need of a piece of gear,

1337
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 4: and then you can be more selective in what you're

1338
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 4: doing and learn from that. So I think learning from

1339
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 4: the pain points is helpful, but I wouldn't recommend that

1340
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 4: with your footwear or your clothing.

1341
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just pretty foundational. And I guess, speaking of

1342
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: being foundational, I want to zoom way out kind of

1343
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: back to the very beginning. I guess to end us here,

1344
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: and I guess ask you about the why again. Because

1345
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: we live in a world today where we can watch

1346
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: any adventure we want on YouTube or Netflix. We can

1347
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 2: see every wild, incredible natural landscape and scene on TV.

1348
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: We can push a button on our phone and have

1349
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: food delivered to our doorstep. I've got a climate controlled,

1350
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: comfortable place I can sit in, i can work from home,

1351
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: I can watch from home. I can do whatever I

1352
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 2: need here. It's safe, it's comfortable, it's relaxing. There's great

1353
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: thriller TV shows on Netflix to get my adrenaline boost,

1354
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. We live in a world where

1355
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: real life adventure to some people seems more and more

1356
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: like an antiquated thing. Why for you is that not

1357
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: the case? Why do you need this kind of thing

1358
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: in a very real, physical, visceral way.

1359
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 4: I've seen the benefits of doing these types of hunts,

1360
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 4: these things that are hard that.

1361
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: Maybe you don't you don't know what the result is

1362
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 3: going to be of a lot of it.

1363
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 4: There's a lot of unknowns that comes into it when

1364
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 4: you're planning a hunt, of even the hunts that you've

1365
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 4: done before that say it's an elkon or a meal

1366
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 4: deer hunt or something this adventure style hunt. But those things,

1367
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 4: when you do them, you're constantly having to get across

1368
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 4: adversities and hurdles and things, and there's a lot of

1369
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 4: times in that moment they're not fun. I mean, we

1370
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 4: over a lot of times when we talk about these things,

1371
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 4: we build these out of these you know, mystical adventures

1372
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: and all these things, and looking back on it, yes

1373
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 4: they are. But in the moment, a lot of it's

1374
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 4: really difficult and really hard. And I think that prepares

1375
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 4: you so much for other things in life when they

1376
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 4: come up, whether it's you know, in your life and

1377
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 4: your family or your work, whatever it might be. You

1378
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 4: run into situations all the time. And I've learned that

1379
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 4: things that used to get me flustered don't get me

1380
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 4: as worked up anymore because it's like, Okay, let's work

1381
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 4: the problem. Let's figure out how we can get through this,

1382
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 4: because you run into that stuff all the time on

1383
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 4: a hunt, whether it is hunting pressure, or it's whether

1384
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 4: or just animals aren't running like you think they're supposed to,

1385
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 4: or whatever it might be. Run into all these things,

1386
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 4: and I think you need that to do better in

1387
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 4: these other things in life, and you appreciate those comforts

1388
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,959
Speaker 4: so much more when you when you have them.

1389
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 3: But even even.

1390
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 4: Myself, like I I catch myself and like say right

1391
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 4: now in the wintertime of not doing as much, and

1392
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 4: it's like, I mean, I work from home, you know,

1393
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 4: I do everything here, and it's like, man, I haven't

1394
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 4: left the house or really did anything in like, you know,

1395
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: three days. It's like I need to and you know,

1396
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 4: working or doing stuff in my house. But it's like

1397
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 4: all right, yeah, it's cold outside, but maybe I need

1398
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 4: to go for a hike and just and then you

1399
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 4: feel so much better, You so much better after you

1400
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 4: do that, and you can you build these unnecessary stressors

1401
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 4: about that activity. I'll get to that sometimes where it's like, oh,

1402
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go I need to go for a hike

1403
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: or just get outside and it's like, wow, it's cold

1404
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 4: and I got this going on. It's like, just go

1405
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 4: do it, and when you come back, you feel so much,

1406
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 4: so much better from being able to do that. And

1407
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 4: I think the whole disconnecting and getting away from all

1408
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: those comforts for a little while still having you know,

1409
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 4: some comforts out there, like I said, with Geer and everything,

1410
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 4: but helps so much to make your the rest of

1411
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 4: your life more fulfilled. And then you just long and

1412
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 4: think about that and have that purpose of like I

1413
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 4: can't wait to go back or try try another one

1414
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 4: of those adventures again. I can't tell you how many

1415
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 4: times I've been on hunts where they were literally miserable

1416
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 4: at times, and for some reason, I can't stop thinking

1417
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 4: about wanting to go back and try it again. And

1418
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 4: it's a it's a weird, it's a weird thing in

1419
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: my head. And I will say one last thing on

1420
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,480
Speaker 4: this question. Here was an example. I went to Alaska

1421
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago on the Doy moose hunt,

1422
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 4: and it's an absolute dream of mind to be able

1423
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 4: to do.

1424
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 3: So I'm getting dropped.

1425
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 4: Off for two weeks and at a lake and I

1426
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 4: got there, and leading up to it, it's like there

1427
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 4: was a lot of logistics and planning that went into

1428
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 4: that that ultimately they did stress me out, like trying

1429
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 4: to even with all the resources out there, it was

1430
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 4: still difficult to make it happen. And then I was

1431
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 4: so busy with trying to knowing I was gonna be

1432
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 4: one hundred percent disconnected, making sure that everything lined up

1433
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 4: with work and at home and all this stuff to

1434
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 4: be gone for that time. It took me like almost

1435
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 4: two days of being in the backcountry to not feel

1436
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 4: anxiety or stress of like the things I forgot to

1437
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 4: do or and I felt this just like you know,

1438
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 4: I'd reach from my phone and it was like there's

1439
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 4: no service, like I couldn't and it's harder to find

1440
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 4: areas that don't have that anymore. So it's like, but

1441
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 4: once I got through that, it was like, this is awesome.

1442
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 4: Like my whole everything I need to do here is

1443
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: figure out what I'm gonna be eaten, where I'm gonna

1444
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 4: get water from, and how I'm gonna find animals. And

1445
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 4: it's like it's pretty simple. And you run into some

1446
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: things again here and there, some adversities, but it's like

1447
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 4: we need that, like the Michael Easter's Comfort Crisis, like

1448
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 4: one of my favorite books, Like that is just incredible

1449
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 4: to when you think about that, we as humans need

1450
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 4: that adventure of some sort. And for me personally, it's

1451
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 4: completely changed my life. It's helped change the trajectory of

1452
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 4: everything I've done from going on that first Western hunt.

1453
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 4: And it may sound dramatic, but it was like that

1454
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 4: changed my career path. That changed how I look at

1455
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 4: every fall and the adventures and the places I got

1456
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: to go, the food I've got, the taste, the animals

1457
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: have been able to pursue, the people have been able

1458
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 4: to meet, Like it's changed everything from being able to

1459
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 4: do that, and to me, it's like, that's that's what

1460
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 4: I want.

1461
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, buddy, and thankfully if folks

1462
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: are feeling the same things you're saying and want to

1463
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 2: either do more of this stuff or try it for

1464
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 2: the first time. There's a lot more than what we've

1465
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: discussed here, and you've got a ton of content about it.

1466
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: So can you plug folks into where they can connect

1467
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: with you all of your content, your media, your socials.

1468
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: Where can they find it?

1469
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Mark. But East meets West Hunt the

1470
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 4: podcast there is where I do a lot of that,

1471
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 4: interviewing guests that are ways smarter than me, have done

1472
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 4: a lot more than myself in these categories. My YouTube

1473
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 4: channel is just Bomartonic. You can find me on social

1474
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 4: media Instagram, Facebook, Bomartonic or East meets West Hunt and

1475
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 4: then East Meetswest Hunt. Dot com is where you can

1476
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 4: really find links to everything there. So I appreciate the

1477
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 4: opportunity Mark, And honestly, this conversation just like got me

1478
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 4: fired up talking about it and planning some new stuff

1479
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 4: this year, and it's just it's great.

1480
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, I'm feeling the same way. I'm about

1481
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: to hop on a plane for a work trip that's

1482
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: not going on an outdoor adventure, but I plan on

1483
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: doing some daydreaming and thinking about an outdoor adventure and

1484
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: get to plan one soon. So thank you so much

1485
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 2: for taking the time and chat about this stuff. Man,

1486
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: it's great.

1487
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1488
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, all right, and that's gonna do it today.

1489
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate you being here. I hope you enjoyed this

1490
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: chat with myself and Bow. Until next time, Stave Wired

1491
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 2: to Hunt