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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcomed episode number thirty two The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben O'Brien, and today I am joined by very

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Speaker 1: special guests and a very important guest, and his name

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Speaker 1: is Senator John Tester. He's a Democrat from state of

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Speaker 1: Montana and he's currently running for re election against Matt Rosendale.

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Speaker 1: And this is, you know, for me, just uh what

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Speaker 1: I believe is relatively normal guy to be able to

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Speaker 1: sit down with somebody like John Tester and talk about

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Speaker 1: the issues that I'm that I feel like are important

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Speaker 1: to me and important to do you all listening, Um

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Speaker 1: was fantastic and it was a privilege. I found Senator

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Speaker 1: Tester be straightforward and we talked before and after the

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Speaker 1: podcast about very uh important issues. I mean obviously has

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Speaker 1: limited time this time of year to chat, but um,

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Speaker 1: I found it to be credible and believable and firm

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Speaker 1: handshake and look you straight the eye and speak about

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Speaker 1: what he believes. And so whether you agree or disagree

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Speaker 1: with some of the things he'll say in the podcast upcoming,

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Speaker 1: I hope you listen with an open mind and m

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Speaker 1: and learn more about his stance on public lands, his

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Speaker 1: stance on chronic wasting disease, his stance on mining and

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Speaker 1: astraction on his lands of Montana, and really just why

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Speaker 1: he loves the state where he was born. So, without

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Speaker 1: further ado, please welcome Senator John Tester. Senator Tester, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining me. It's great to be here. Thanks for you.

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Speaker 1: Snowy Montana. It's uh it's fall in Mintiana and uh

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Speaker 1: you Spring used to be my favorite time here. But

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's with age you gravitate towards fall,

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Speaker 1: because I just love the fall after a hot summer,

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Speaker 1: you got the air's crisp. You know, it's pretty cool,

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Speaker 1: and you know winner is coming. So if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: live in Montana, I find you gotta love the winner. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is. I mean winners aren't like they

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Speaker 1: used to be when I was a kid. You know,

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Speaker 1: when we'd have thirty below for weeks on end and

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Speaker 1: you were stuck in the house. And yeah, it's now.

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Speaker 1: But I will say one thing. Last winter we had

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Speaker 1: a good winner here, first one since seventy eight, and

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Speaker 1: it makes you appreciate spring when it comes. But I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I love the winner as long as

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Speaker 1: as long as you don't have to be somewhere because

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Speaker 1: you never know if the wind blows, the roads are closed,

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Speaker 1: so you've got a kind of plan ahead. But it's

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Speaker 1: a you know, montan is a great state because of

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Speaker 1: the four seasons, because of our public lands, because of

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Speaker 1: our ability to go out get there like and or

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Speaker 1: whatever you need. But but but but it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was you know, I've been able to get all

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Speaker 1: over the country as the U. S. Senator. And uh,

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Speaker 1: and there's no other place like Montana on the lower

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Speaker 1: forty eight. I'll just tell you that. Um uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alaska's marvelous, but it's not lower forty eight. That's all

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Speaker 1: the bandings will take it. No, I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 1: moving here. And um, as somebody likes to go outside,

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Speaker 1: there is moving here. People speak differently about going outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Levin living in Texas and I'm from the East Coast.

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Speaker 1: Originally people speak differently about going outside. Their eyes light

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Speaker 1: up when you talk about a certain canyon or a place.

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Speaker 1: Everybody shares that we can all go if we want to.

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Speaker 1: And so it's just a different way to interact about

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Speaker 1: going outside. And and part of it is and at

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Speaker 1: least from my my perspective, part of it is is

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Speaker 1: is public lands. Part of it is as a block

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Speaker 1: management programs that we set up at the state level

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Speaker 1: where you don't have to be a millionaire to be

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Speaker 1: I'll be able to access some unbelievable places, whether it's

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Speaker 1: for hunting, whether it's for fishing, whether it's for just

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Speaker 1: because of that ability to and it's and and it's

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Speaker 1: also because I might add, and this is changing, and

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Speaker 1: but you know, we've always had a strong tradition in

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I was thinking about this conversation, my

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Speaker 1: Why take you know, take your life the way you

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Speaker 1: I know it's not an easy gig. I can I

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Speaker 1: when you know, my my grandmother passed away when I

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Speaker 1: My mother kind of fell off of her her her

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Speaker 1: story short, I'm a junior in high school. We go

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Speaker 1: We talked politics, but we never did go to see

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Speaker 1: And um, we talked to him there. They were good people,

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Speaker 1: Here we are, um and and not only are you

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Speaker 1: state legislature. Yeah, I mean, I think the things that

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Speaker 1: hold to be Montana values. So give us a quick

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Speaker 1: telling me you're gonna do it. You don't need a

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Speaker 1: But the most important one is your word is your bond,

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you from uh from from a

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Speaker 1: get some research done. And I can't help to think

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Speaker 1: that research on on elk, for example, or or any

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Speaker 1: pick pick, any game game animal couldn't be easily transferred

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Speaker 1: over to cattle. Yes, absolutely, Especially the funding shifted around

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Speaker 1: in the techniques for finding out what causes this and

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Speaker 1: how how we can deal with it in a common

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Speaker 1: sense way of moving forward, I think will help everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's a matter of letting people understand that this is

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Speaker 1: a problem and we need to get on top before

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Speaker 1: before real bad things happen. Ye. Is there anything that

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Speaker 1: Montana's or folks listening can do to kind of get

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Speaker 1: educated about your legislation and similar legislations that around there.

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Speaker 1: Well you can. You can go to my website, my

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Speaker 1: my my senter website, and uh, if you search around

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Speaker 1: a little bit, you'll find it and as you can

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Speaker 1: read up on it. And then the other thing I

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Speaker 1: D and you think we need to have research to

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Speaker 1: find out it's caused and how we can potentially prevent it, Um,

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Speaker 1: write your congressman, write your senator. I know you're your

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Speaker 1: This podcast goes far and wide, and so uh, just

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Speaker 1: drop an email and in or or pick up the

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Speaker 1: phone and make a phone call. And I will tell

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Speaker 1: you that a lot of people say, ah, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: do any good. Those guys don't listen to us anyway.

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Speaker 1: Far from the truth. The truth is is that those

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Speaker 1: emails make a big difference. Those phone calls make a

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Speaker 1: big difference. And so just do that and just say, hey,

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Speaker 1: look at this bill Tester's got. It's a good bill.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could give you the number of it.

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Speaker 1: I can't right now, but it'll be listed on my

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Speaker 1: website and you could even give them the number. And look,

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Speaker 1: I talked to folks from both as. Yeah, I work

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Speaker 1: with people from both as. If you get them get

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Speaker 1: it on their mind, they'll able to come up to

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Speaker 1: me and talk to me about it, then we'll get

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Speaker 1: them signed up. It's called the Chronic Wasting Disease Support

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Speaker 1: for States Act, and that's a it's a proposal for

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Speaker 1: sixty million dollars man which which by the way, is

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Speaker 1: a rounding error and it's not a briefcase that's right,

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Speaker 1: But but the truth is it would be money well spent. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: The other big point around your works, and really that

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Speaker 1: goes along with access is extraction and mine and your

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Speaker 1: philosophy is around that kind of land use and and

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Speaker 1: it's a big political thing. But also a big thing

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Speaker 1: is you've seen in the Yellowstone Corridor and the game

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Speaker 1: to Yellowstone. Um, talk about your philosophy around extraction where

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Speaker 1: you don't want to see it, where you like to

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Speaker 1: see it, what your what you thought? Well, there's places

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Speaker 1: where it is entirely acceptable, and there's other places where, um,

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Speaker 1: the ecosystems are more more valuable than gold. Very frankly,

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Speaker 1: the best one I can think of is the mine

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Speaker 1: at the head of the Yellowstone River at the doorstep

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Speaker 1: of Yellowstone Park. Um, I've got a bill that hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can get through in the Lame Duck yell Still

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Speaker 1: Gateway Protection Act, because it's it's gone through committee in

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Speaker 1: the House and in the Senate, and so it's it's

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Speaker 1: teed up to get done. That would stop a huge

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Speaker 1: mining operation by a foreign company at the headwaters of

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Speaker 1: the Yellostone River. So, um, is there gold there? There

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Speaker 1: probably is gold there. But the truth is that the

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Speaker 1: impacts on the water, the impacts on wildlife, the impacts

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Speaker 1: on those hundreds of small businesses up and down Paradise

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Speaker 1: Valley in the Livingston um is not acceptable. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I have not looked at the figures per SAE, but

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Speaker 1: my guess is it's probably that Paradise value is probably

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Speaker 1: worth about a billion dollars in economic activity to the

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Speaker 1: state of Montana. And then if you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about if they screw up like they did insortment Landusky

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Speaker 1: and the water is polluted, Um, that fishery is gone,

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Speaker 1: then you're treating water in perpetuity. It's just not the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do. So I've got to build to

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Speaker 1: basically take the federal lands off by the same token. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's a mine south, the Columbus Platinum Pladium mine that

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Speaker 1: is incredibly responsible. Mind, they do everything right. It's a

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Speaker 1: zero discharge. They absolutely they play by the rules, and

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Speaker 1: they pay their employees and they treat them well and

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Speaker 1: and uh they provide a valuable asset to the whole

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Speaker 1: world and so um in those cases, it's the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do. At the head of the they the Elstone,

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Speaker 1: it makes no sense. You're you're you're asking for a disaster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I always talk about pro nuance and

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Speaker 1: anti bullshit like that's my political stance. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what party alle get Maybe I don't know about that,

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Speaker 1: but it's to that point. And this is one of

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Speaker 1: those things where around national monuments here last year became

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Speaker 1: a big political football throw back and forth. Um. And

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Speaker 1: to me that a lot of the nuance is lost

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Speaker 1: in the conversation of should we you know, should it

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Speaker 1: be a monument, should it not? Should we extract here?

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Speaker 1: Should we not? A lot of the nuance is lost.

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Speaker 1: And uh, the balance that you're talking about there, I

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Speaker 1: think is important. No, it's it's it's it's critically important.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you, I will tell you just

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Speaker 1: just from how we look at laws and how we

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Speaker 1: look at projects and business, you've got to have a

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Speaker 1: little more vision than ten or fifteen years. Yeah, I mean, truthfully,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's if if you're looking short term, long

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Speaker 1: term is gonna each up. And I think anybody who's

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Speaker 1: successful in business, they look short term, but they also

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Speaker 1: look long term. If you're not always looking. And in

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Speaker 1: this day and where the economy is changing so rapidly,

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Speaker 1: you've got to fifty years ahead. And and like I

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Speaker 1: said earlier with the Land of Water Conservation Fund, if

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Speaker 1: these landscapes go, if these ecosystems go, because we're making

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Speaker 1: stupid decisions today. Man, we're doing our kids a total injustice,

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Speaker 1: just a total injustice. Yeah. And there they're not coming back,

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Speaker 1: not coming back exactly right. They we're giving away one

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Speaker 1: of our greatest economic drivers, and that's our outdoor recreation economy. Yeah. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think Hunters Bangas can appreciate your voice

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Speaker 1: in that way and and and how you speak up

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Speaker 1: in a pragmatic way for the things that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing, you know, I don't get to

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Speaker 1: talk to senators that much. So the only thing that

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Speaker 1: The other question I have for you is is today's

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Speaker 1: political climate. You've been um, you've been in the Trump

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Speaker 1: sphere as of late and and been um you know,

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Speaker 1: in the ire of some of his attacks, and just

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Speaker 1: what is what's you're taking the current political climate? You know,

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Speaker 1: how it's affecting this country and how we forward the

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Speaker 1: conversation because as hunters of anglers, everybody that I talked to,

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Speaker 1: everybody seems to be like a common sense, pragmatic one,

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Speaker 1: the right thing for the outdoors, onright thing for the country.

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you find um going to

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Speaker 1: d C and and and fighting through the bullshit way?

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Speaker 1: It's way to partisan Um, both parties a running their

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Speaker 1: corners way too quick um. And And quite frankly, I

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Speaker 1: believe it's for a number of reasons. I blame it

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Speaker 1: on campaign finance. I think that the decisions have came

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Speaker 1: out to UH to have corporations to be people and

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Speaker 1: allow and limited amounts of dark money without no where

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Speaker 1: it comes from him and who's trying to buy your

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Speaker 1: state isn't helpful UH. And it creates for more of

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Speaker 1: a piper hyperpartisan situation. I think the fact that we

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Speaker 1: don't have reapportionment done in a way, and now reapportions

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Speaker 1: the districts and nieces in the House, not the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Where you have a district that is bright blue or

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Speaker 1: a district that's bright red. It doesn't allow for bipartisanship.

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Speaker 1: Been working in the middle to get things done that

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Speaker 1: can help everybody. And I think if we if we

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Speaker 1: dealt with both of those in a common sense way,

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Speaker 1: which wouldn't take nuclear physics degree to figure it out,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, uh, it'd be it'd be easy

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Speaker 1: to go. But but I'll also tell you on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the coin, I've got great friends on

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Speaker 1: broad side. CI Johnny Isaacson, for example, the chairman of

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Speaker 1: the Veterans Committee, and I as a Republican, I serve

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Speaker 1: as ranking member. As a Democrat, you wouldn't find a

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Speaker 1: finder man. Johnny is a good man, and and we

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Speaker 1: trust one another, well, stick up for one another. We

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Speaker 1: has have one another's backs. And we started this a

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Speaker 1: year and a half when I took over and he

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Speaker 1: took over, and we just said, do you want to

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Speaker 1: get something done? And we just want to put out

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Speaker 1: political rhetoric and fight like everybody else does. And we

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Speaker 1: both agreed, let's get something done. That ended up with

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Speaker 1: eleven bills being put on the President's desk, just with

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Speaker 1: v A, just just you know, uh, letting the v

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Speaker 1: A have the tools they need to be able to

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Speaker 1: serve the veterans of this kind country. And I think

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Speaker 1: if other committees did that, um, I think we'd be

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Speaker 1: far better off. Um. And and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's just because Johnny Isaacson and myself have the personalities

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Speaker 1: that we can get together. But it hasn't been that tough.

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Speaker 1: I'll just tell you it's just you sit down and

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Speaker 1: you talk. If I got a problem, I don't talk

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Speaker 1: behind Johnny's back. I go look him in the eyeball

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, this is what's going on. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, he does the same thing. And we end

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Speaker 1: up find a common ground pretty darn fast under those rules. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what we need. Common ground. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think we public lay in common ground. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there's some sweet uh there's always a sweet spot, sweet

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Speaker 1: ending right there where I could hide it all together.

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Speaker 1: I'm not that smart. Center. Well, thanks thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: We really you know, I feel like, um, I just

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Speaker 1: want to say thanks for your public service. I know, UM,

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Speaker 1: you fight hard for what you believe in, and it

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Speaker 1: means a lot to folks like me to have you

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Speaker 1: out there, regardless of if we agree on every issue

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Speaker 1: or what your political party is, that you that you

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Speaker 1: stand up for what you believe in. You're serving the

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Speaker 1: public and your um and your endeavor. So we I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. I can. I can tell you for a fact,

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Speaker 1: I believe in this state, and there's a day to

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Speaker 1: go by that I don't fight for Montana. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you why, because I think what's good for Montana,

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Speaker 1: it's good for this country. I go. We'll end it

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Speaker 1: right there. Thank you. That's it. That's all the episode

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Speaker 1: number thirty two in the books. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: the Senator John Tester for joining the podcast and being

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Speaker 1: part of this conversation. Very honored to have somebody like

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Speaker 1: that be willing to spend time with me and to

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Speaker 1: speak to all of you about when I believe, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he truly believes. UM. I'm not one to dismiss all politicians.

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Speaker 1: I'm not wanted to dismiss any idea that might come

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Speaker 1: across that I don't agree with. But I found again, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Senator Tester to be credible and to be pragmatic and

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Speaker 1: straightforward dude, and I enjoyed this conversation I was able

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Speaker 1: to have with him, and I hope you did too.

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Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to let your opinions fly in the

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Speaker 1: comments on Instagram. Go to the meat Eater dot com

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Speaker 1: to where you'll find all my podcasts under the Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: Go to um Benny O b for your one on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: But we'll be talking about a lot of the issues uh,

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Speaker 1: surrounding this podcast that we spoke with Senator Tester about.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully this will be the start of a dialogue, um,

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Speaker 1: not the start of any arguments um that we might have.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us again. We'll see you next

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Speaker 1: Tuesday on The Hunting Collective. Hi,