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Speaker 2: And welcome back, George Norriiy back with you. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you a little bit about our guest. Jim Myers
Speaker 2: grew up in Kenya from the age of eleven until
Speaker 2: he graduated from high school, and after graduating from college,
Speaker 2: Jim spent another twenty years as an adult living in
Speaker 2: West Africa and France. Now he returned to the United
Speaker 2: States back in two thousand and nine and was able
Speaker 2: to begin pursuing his interest in Sasquatch. For the past
Speaker 2: eleven years, he's been an avid Sasquatch researcher and public
Speaker 2: speaker of all things related to the Sasquatch Force people.
Speaker 2: He and his wife Daphne built the Sasquatch Post with
Speaker 2: the goal of becoming Sasquatch Central for the Western US,
Speaker 2: and they did. The Outpost is the home of the
Speaker 2: Sasquatch Encounter Discovery Museum, and Jim is also the host
Speaker 2: of a weekly podcast called The Sasquatch Outpost Podcast, where
Speaker 2: he and his co host Sibylla Irwin for the mysteries
Speaker 2: of the Sasquatch phenomenon. Jim, Welcome back have you been.
Speaker 3: I've been well, George, thank.
Speaker 2: You looking forward to this. What got you into Kenya?
Speaker 3: My parents were missionaries. Actually I just tagged along.
Speaker 2: And what made you this quest to go hunting for Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've been interested ever since I was
Speaker 3: a child, and two things taught my interest. One was
Speaker 3: when the Patterson Gimlin footage first came out in sixty seven.
Speaker 3: I was very young, but I still remember seeing that
Speaker 3: on television. And then in seventy two, the film The
Speaker 3: Legend of Boggy Creek came out and it was rated gee,
Speaker 3: but it scared me to death when I went to
Speaker 3: see it. But that film sparked my interest even more
Speaker 3: in the mysteries of what could exist in the forest.
Speaker 3: They never called the creature Bigfoot or sasquatch. They called
Speaker 3: it the fouc Monster because it was in Foulk, Arkansas.
Speaker 3: But I credit that movie with my earliest interest in
Speaker 3: this topic.
Speaker 2: Do you call this creature sasquatch or Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the terms are interchangeable, but my preferred
Speaker 3: term is sasquatch. I think Bigfoot is a term that
Speaker 3: was given to the creature by a journalist in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty eight. Sasquatch is one of many Native American names,
Speaker 3: and they've been around dealing with sasquatch for a lot
Speaker 3: longer than we have.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's an entity of physical or is
Speaker 2: it something more dimensional?
Speaker 3: I think it's both. George and I think it's physical
Speaker 3: when it once needs to be physical, and I think
Speaker 3: it can be interdimensional or invisible when it wants or needs.
Speaker 1: To be that.
Speaker 2: We'll get into that a lot tonight. James tell us
Speaker 2: about the story behind the Sasquatch outpulls well.
Speaker 3: When we've moved to Colorado in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: I worked had a company called Storm Guides. I was
Speaker 3: doing a lot of crisis management at the time, but
Speaker 3: we found this little grocery store in the town of
Speaker 3: Bailey and decided we would try our hand at doing
Speaker 3: grocery store retail. So in twenty twelve we began rebuilding
Speaker 3: the store. It had been closed up. The building that
Speaker 3: we now own had been closed up I think for
Speaker 3: four or five years, and that's a lot of hard
Speaker 3: winters in Colorado and needed a huge amount of work.
Speaker 3: It took us about nine months to get it open.
Speaker 3: But during those nine months, two interesting things happened. The
Speaker 3: first was I met my first eyewitness, who was a
Speaker 3: woman who managed a local lodge, so she was a businesswoman,
Speaker 3: very credible, and she and her best friend had seen
Speaker 3: a bigfoot maybe a month before when she told me
Speaker 3: this story, and I thought her story was incredible, and
Speaker 3: because of who she was, I knew that she wasn't
Speaker 3: lying to me. And then maybe a month later, the
Speaker 3: Animal Planet show Finding Bigfoot came to Bailey to do
Speaker 3: a Colorado episode and I went to that filming and
Speaker 3: about one hundred people were at this meeting. And who
Speaker 3: ever saw any advertising for this meeting. Because I was
Speaker 3: from Bailey, I knew about it, but people came from
Speaker 3: all over and there were probably eight or nine people
Speaker 3: that stood up to talk about an encounter they'd had
Speaker 3: with Sasquatch. And I told my wife, I think there's
Speaker 3: something to this, and I think we can maybe see
Speaker 3: how much interest people have if we haven't it, if
Speaker 3: we build that into our store, which we did, and
Speaker 3: after about a year or two, we got rid of
Speaker 3: the groceries because that's not what people wanted. They wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: The paranormal activity over the outposts, over the years. Did
Speaker 2: it scare you?
Speaker 3: Early on, it did a little bit because we didn't
Speaker 3: know what we were dealing with. But we would come
Speaker 3: in in the morning and find merchandise on the floor
Speaker 3: that could not have fallen there in the store. There
Speaker 3: was no wind or anything like that, so we knew
Speaker 3: that something was knocking merchandise on the floor. But we
Speaker 3: realized fairly quickly that whatever this was, it wasn't malevolent,
Speaker 3: it wasn't attempting to hurt us in any way, and
Speaker 3: we began to see kind of the fun in it.
Speaker 3: And over the years, we've continually seen and heard things
Speaker 3: in the store that let us know that there's entities
Speaker 3: still there, and we just kind of take it as
Speaker 3: part of working and living in a building that was
Speaker 3: built in eighteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's the building or the topic the
Speaker 2: subject matter that might make it normal?
Speaker 3: Well, people have asked me this question made science. Do
Speaker 3: you think Bigfoot knows about I'm pretty sure they do,
Speaker 3: and whether they are involved. I mean, the the activity
Speaker 3: was going on before we were heavily involved in squash research,
Speaker 3: so that's a great question. I don't know the answer,
Speaker 3: but I certainly think they know about what we're doing,
Speaker 3: and one of these days maybe we'll start finding evidence
Speaker 3: that they're around the store, which wouldn't surprise me in
Speaker 3: the slightest.
Speaker 2: Now, how close is Bailey to like Denver.
Speaker 3: Old about forty five minutes drive.
Speaker 2: That's not bad. No, do you actually get some people
Speaker 2: from Denver visiting the museum.
Speaker 3: We get many people from Denver, and we get many
Speaker 3: tourists from around the country and around the world now, so,
Speaker 3: but yes, we have a big customer base in Denver.
Speaker 2: How did you go about building the museum.
Speaker 3: Joe, Well, that's an interesting question because initially we were
Speaker 3: just a retail store and we were having fun finding
Speaker 3: every kind of bigfoot finding or making every kind of
Speaker 3: bigfoot souvenir or swag that we could think of, and
Speaker 3: people would come in and would talk to us about
Speaker 3: their stories of their own encounters, and they would always
Speaker 3: have questions. And after a couple of years, I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, people ask generally the same questions, maybe fifteen
Speaker 3: or twenty questions that people would ask over and over,
Speaker 3: and I thought, why don't we build a space that
Speaker 3: maybe can try and answer some of those questions. So
Speaker 3: we built an initial part of the museum in a
Speaker 3: storage space that we had, and then we extended it
Speaker 3: two years later and extended it again three years later.
Speaker 3: So we've run out of storage space. We've used all
Speaker 3: the space that's available in our building. We've because of
Speaker 3: the interest in the topic, we kept expanding and adding
Speaker 3: more displays.
Speaker 2: What's the population of Bailey.
Speaker 3: About ten or eleven thousand.
Speaker 2: And I bet everyone knows about the museum, don't they?
Speaker 3: You would think so. The reason many don't is that
Speaker 3: Bailey is divided between what we call High Bay and
Speaker 3: Low Bay, and there's about a three and a half
Speaker 3: mile hill that separates the two sections, and so people,
Speaker 3: most of the people live in the higher part of Bailey,
Speaker 3: and then they would turn to go towards Denver rather
Speaker 3: than turning to come towards Bailey downtown Bailey. So I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's people who aren't where, But I don't think
Speaker 3: I've spoken to anyone who lives in Bailey and quite
Speaker 3: a while who didn't know about the outpost.
Speaker 2: Now, you're a museum curator, but you've got your own
Speaker 2: encounters too, haven't you.
Speaker 3: I've had many encounters over the past twelve or thirteen years.
Speaker 2: Now, any dangerous.
Speaker 3: That's one of the questions I get asked a lot.
Speaker 3: Are they dangerous? I think they certainly can be if
Speaker 3: they were provoked, But no, I've never had any experience
Speaker 3: that I would have called overtly aggressive. I've had a
Speaker 3: few rocks thrown in my direction. One rock thrown is
Speaker 3: very hard, but it hit a tree behind us. Had
Speaker 3: it hit us, I think that would be the end.
Speaker 3: But it didn't. And when people mentioned to me that,
Speaker 3: they'll tell me a story about, you know, sasquatch aggression
Speaker 3: or they were attacked by sasquatch that involved them throwing
Speaker 3: something towards the people. The interesting part is they never
Speaker 3: hit the people. The object, whether it's a rock or
Speaker 3: piece of wood, always misses them, sometimes narrowly, but it
Speaker 3: always misses.
Speaker 2: It's like they're just trying to get your attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and their aim is impeccable, so they hit whatever
Speaker 3: they're aiming at, And if it were us, that would
Speaker 3: be it because they can throw extremely hard, but their
Speaker 3: aim is uncanny. I mean, I've seen them hit things
Speaker 3: that I, you know, a million years I could never
Speaker 3: have had the same skill of hitting what I was
Speaker 3: looking to hit.
Speaker 2: Are you totally convinced that there is some kind of
Speaker 2: creature called sasquatch out there.
Speaker 3: I could not be more convinced.
Speaker 2: No doubts, no doubts zero. And again we go back
Speaker 2: to that question of physical or dimensional, and you think
Speaker 2: both tell me about that.
Speaker 3: Well, they they're clearly physical, because that's how they're seen,
Speaker 3: and that's how they're smelled, that's how we find tracks
Speaker 3: in the ground, that's how.
Speaker 2: We physically hear them, something.
Speaker 3: Stolizations and things. So there's there's abundant evidence that they're
Speaker 3: a physical creature, but there's also abundant evidence if you're
Speaker 3: looking for it for something else. And I have seen
Speaker 3: them disappear. My only real daytime sighting, I was fishing
Speaker 3: in a recreation area not far from Bailey called Wellington Lake,
Speaker 3: and it was early in the morning. No one else
Speaker 3: was awake in the campsite, and as I was fishing,
Speaker 3: I was looking around as I usually do, and I
Speaker 3: looked up above me and I saw this enormous creature
Speaker 3: standing there looking down. It was maybe one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty yards above me, but I could definitely see it.
Speaker 3: And at that critical moment, a fish grabbed my fly
Speaker 3: and I made the mistake of turning to look at
Speaker 3: the water and then realized my mistake and looked back immediately,
Speaker 3: and it was gone, and it wasn't moving away, it
Speaker 3: simply vanished. But I have quite a few friends who
Speaker 3: I've worked with over the years doing research who have
Speaker 3: actually watched them disappear in front of their eyes. And
Speaker 3: so these people have no reason to lie. And if
Speaker 3: you're going to lie, why make up something that's more
Speaker 3: believable than a sasquatch disappearing. And so I know that
Speaker 3: that is a reality. And where they go I couldn't
Speaker 3: tell you whether they simply disappear but they're still there
Speaker 3: and they're cloaked in some way, or they actually go
Speaker 3: somewhere else. I can't answer that question.
Speaker 2: Around the US, Jim, where are they primarily located?
Speaker 3: Well, they've been seen in every state in the US,
Speaker 3: and people are surprised by that because they assume they're
Speaker 3: only in the Pacific Northwest. But they're not the site.
Speaker 3: There's just as many sightings on the eastern seaboard. In
Speaker 3: the Deep South. Colorado has a huge number of sightings,
Speaker 3: and so I think there's certain a group of bigger,
Speaker 3: bigger con concentrations of sightings in certain areas, but every
Speaker 3: single state has had sightings to date.
Speaker 2: When some people have thought that the Sasquatch was a
Speaker 2: gigainst as piscic as a monkey.
Speaker 3: True and many still think that. But to me, to
Speaker 3: believe that Sasquatch is an ape or some type of
Speaker 3: descendant of a of a extinct grade ape is ridiculous
Speaker 3: because of these other abilities. They have, these other paranormal abilities,
Speaker 3: and because they demonstrate in their behavior, in their appearance,
Speaker 3: they demonstrate that they are more people like us, more
Speaker 3: human than they would ever be like an ape. And
Speaker 3: I think there's some DNA evidence that supports that.
Speaker 2: Not that i'd want one to capture or hurt, but
Speaker 2: we don't have them. I'll come, well, we.
Speaker 3: Don't have them that we know about. I think there's
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that the general public don't know,
Speaker 3: and this could be one of them. I'm confident that
Speaker 3: our government and probably other governments in the world are
Speaker 3: certainly aware of sasquatch. There's plenty of evidence that they
Speaker 3: frequent various military bases in this country, and so there's
Speaker 3: no doubt that we've studied them at length and perhaps
Speaker 3: probably have captured one or more or found bodies, but
Speaker 3: that's not public knowledge. And I think I've often spoken
Speaker 3: to others who are this and we've set together, well,
Speaker 3: if we ever find a body, let's give each other
Speaker 3: a call and do all the research we can before
Speaker 3: it becomes public knowledge that we have this body. But
Speaker 3: I honestly don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: You look back at the Star Wars movie, Chewbacca looked
Speaker 2: like a big Foot. Could they be extraterrestrial?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question too. I think they certainly
Speaker 3: could be. The interesting thing, George, is that there's no
Speaker 3: fossil record of sasquatch. Now, if you exclude jike Antipithecus,
Speaker 3: which I think we need to, there's no fossil record
Speaker 3: that they have been on Earth for a long time.
Speaker 3: I think they've been here a long time, but not
Speaker 3: that long, not long enough to have an extensive fossil
Speaker 3: record like we have for humanity. So they must have
Speaker 3: come from somewhere, and it must be in the relatively
Speaker 3: recent past. And maybe they were the top of genetic
Speaker 3: experiments combining humans with something else. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you ever have people Jim come to your museum
Speaker 2: going I don't believe this stuff.
Speaker 3: All the time, all the time.
Speaker 2: Why do they come? Why do they show up?
Speaker 3: They usually come because they're coming with someone else in
Speaker 3: their family. It seems like most families have at least
Speaker 3: one person who believes that Bigfoot is real and wants
Speaker 3: to come to the museum, and everyone else just kind
Speaker 3: of tags it on because they have nothing better to do,
Speaker 3: so they'll come in because of that one friend or
Speaker 3: family member who's a believer. And I've learned over the years, George,
Speaker 3: that if someone is very skeptical, there's not really any
Speaker 3: point in getting into a lengthy conversation because their minds
Speaker 3: are made up and they believe that Bigfoot doesn't exist
Speaker 3: because they can't exist exist. And so when people do
Speaker 3: come in who are somewhat skeptical that are open, I
Speaker 3: love having conversations with those people.
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