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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. Welcome back to long time

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Speaker 3: conspiracy realists. Thank you always for tuning in, folks. What

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Speaker 3: a week we have had. We have returned the Three Musketeers.

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Speaker 3: I almost have Mouseketeers. The Three Musketeers are our back,

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Speaker 3: live and direct, in full effect, with a very interesting episode.

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Speaker 3: But before we get to that, we have we have

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Speaker 3: an important announcement. There is something big that just happened

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Speaker 3: in the world of music journalism.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Ben, that's very kind and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was out last week for a little family vacation.

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Speaker 4: Before that, I was in New York doing a launch

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Speaker 4: event for a podcast that I've been working on for

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Speaker 4: about the last year and a half or so about

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Speaker 4: the Rolling Stones Classic record Exile on Main Street and

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Speaker 4: the tour that accompanied it, which is kind of the

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Speaker 4: first sort of like template for like the big rock

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Speaker 4: and roll tour. And it's not just like a rah rah,

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Speaker 4: you know rock stars are Cool podcast. It has a

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Speaker 4: lot of elements of true crime, it has a lot

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Speaker 4: of elements of dealing with addiction. It's just like kind

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Speaker 4: of a human story happens to star some very larger

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Speaker 4: than life individuals in the form of you know, the

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Speaker 4: real life role Stones. We worked with Jordan Runtog, friend

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Speaker 4: of the show, and myself along with Michael Alder. June

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Speaker 4: worked with two fellas who actually were on the tour

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Speaker 4: and spent time with the Rolling Stones in the South

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Speaker 4: of France during the recording of Eggs All on Main

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Speaker 4: involving Keith Richards and drugs and guns and debauchery of

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Speaker 4: every stripe. And the tour really delivered a lot of

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Speaker 4: that stuff that was involved in making this incredible album.

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Speaker 4: So it actually is out already. It comes out on

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Speaker 4: Wednesdays on the iHeartRadio app or Apple Podcasts or wherever

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Speaker 4: you get podcasts. It's got a lot of original music

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Speaker 4: that's composed by myself and June, and just some really

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Speaker 4: cool archival tapes of the Rolling Stones from that era,

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Speaker 4: courtesy of one of our our main voices, Robert Greenfield,

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Speaker 4: who was a fantastic journalist. It's kind of you call

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Speaker 4: of a Hunter. S. Thompson, who was embedded on the

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Speaker 4: of France as well, along with his buddy Jordan describes

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Speaker 4: as pr Supremo Gary Stromberg, who represented a entire Jude

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Speaker 4: Box of the seventies biggest artists mainly from England, including

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Speaker 4: led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and of course the Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 4: And he also produced Charles Manson's demo tape, which is

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Speaker 4: a story that comes up I think around episode three,

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Speaker 4: so I'll leave it at that, but really proud of

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Speaker 4: it and really excited to have it out there in

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Speaker 4: the world. And thanks for giving me a chance to

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Speaker 4: plug something that I'm doing outside the pod.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations. Yeah, check it out, folks.

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Speaker 4: Called Stoning Party by the way, Yes, stone Stewing Party.

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Speaker 4: Is what it's called. And get it anywhere you get

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Speaker 4: your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: I just went to the beach.

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Speaker 3: You went to the beach, Matt, How was it?

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Speaker 2: How was it?

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Speaker 3: It was? We and you avoided you avoided that super rare,

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Speaker 2: It's an ambo that only exists in fresh water. I

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Speaker 4: No ziplining. I've heard ziplining can also be a recipe

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Speaker 3: What is that the mister cotter themestre Wait, it's from

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Speaker 3: that era of sitcoms where the theme song is just

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Speaker 3: I'll say it so much better than the actual show.

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Speaker 3: They know what I mean. So many bangers and for ufologists,

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Speaker 3: last week was a golden time. Quite a precipitous, precarious time.

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Speaker 3: On July twenty six, twenty twenty three, just a few

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Speaker 3: These three guys, who are extensively vetted, they claim UFOs

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Speaker 3: or UAP are real. Further, they claim the military industrial

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts. First, I think we need to

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh well, I guess. First, let's say we've discussed

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbel and Payne Lindsay, were in attendance.

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Speaker 3: Yes at Congress. We spoke with them both briefly. They

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about the use of the word skiff,

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Speaker 2: The way he interacts with the other congressman, the way

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Speaker 3: He did, he did, He did the whole hearing on

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Speaker 2: Just the way he's like he's just so calm, just real,

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Speaker 4: Kind ahead time figure. But any way, So a skiff

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Speaker 4: The words, kind of like a dingy an information dingy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that no intelligence operation has any listening devices in whatsoever?

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Speaker 2: we all know would be the end to a way

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00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: of life, but would also perhaps you know, lead towards

435
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: this more utopian place on Earth. So it's just like

436
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: you could see, I can see maybe why something as

437
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: simple as a power source would be so heavily guarded.

438
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what's that song? Every new beginning comes from

439
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: some other beginnings, and you.

440
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: Know, closing time for the planet. Yeah, somewhere for the

441
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: bunker doors, that's what. That's a closing dome.

442
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: Some guys Jay Sock are just getting hammered in a

443
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: Pentagon basement looking at looking at this sphere of clean

444
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: fusion energy, and they're playing closing time and they're like,

445
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: we gotta save the dollar.

446
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: Though.

447
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 4: It's sort of like the idea that, oh, the government's

448
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: been holding back a cancer cure or whatever because they're

449
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 4: in bed with the pharmaceutical industry. And while I think

450
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: our research, you know, and and the research are large,

451
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 4: maybe doesn't show that exactly, I wouldn't put it past them,

452
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: you know, given the ability to hold something back in

453
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 4: the interest of maintaining the status quo, Like because we

454
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: know how hard it was for the electric car to

455
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: take off. We know that there were active moves to

456
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: kill the electric car and other types of alternate energy,

457
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 4: so why would how would this be any different? Certainly

458
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: not like the governments gonna come out and say, hey, guys,

459
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: we made a deal with the aliens and now everyone

460
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: gets free energy, no more utilities, Like that's just not

461
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: how it works.

462
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: It would be like a monthly service. If I know humans,

463
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: well you know what I mean. You don't ever buy Netflix.

464
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 2: You That's right.

465
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: It would be like a streamer. It would be like

466
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: a subscribe. Everything would be yeah, the rental economy. Yeah,

467
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: it's true.

468
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: It does make me think we need to go back

469
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: and look at some of the resource extraction over the past,

470
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: like forty years. Forty years I think is the timeline.

471
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a little bit longer, but like just look

472
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: at the moves, because there's probably specific elements that were

473
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: required to reconstruct this stuff.

474
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: If they've really got it forty years, for how long

475
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 4: this stuff has been known?

476
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Well.

477
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: That would be the idea, Like the time horizon might

478
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: extend a little bit further. You'll hear you'll hear whispers

479
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: in the various ufology communities that one of the first

480
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: modern craft recovered was via the Germans in the thirties.

481
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: But again, there's no way to prove that. So yeah,

482
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: we looked back. Yeah, if we looked back and it

483
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: was like, hey, there was a ton of this one

484
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: material in Tunguska and now it's not there, you know

485
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: what I mean? Or you know, if what if Wagner's

486
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: moves in Niger recently are not about uranium? What if

487
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: they're about something else. I'm kidding they're about uranium.

488
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: Slightly silly question, but like, I know, you know, obviously

489
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: there are elements on the periodic table that were named

490
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 4: after people, you know, that are still living. Like when

491
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: was the last time we discovered a new element, you know?

492
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: And like, is there any sense that, like, you know,

493
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: some new element that's discovered could well be from some

494
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: other world?

495
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: Wait? Are there people still alive who have elements name

496
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: Maybe not.

497
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: I'm just talking. I just know that, you know, there

498
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: are more quote unquote you know the ones that are

499
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: that are not there. Yeeah wait, I'm.

500
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: Just wait, I've got something, guys, what do you got

501
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: April twenty ten, mm hmmm, Tennesseine Tennesseine.

502
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: Wait, Tennessee only goes back to twenty ten.

503
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it says, atomic number one seventeen.

504
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How do I I know the

505
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: periodic table? I don't know there are ages. I was

506
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: just so, okay, well, nice job, Tennessee. Yeah, it's weird

507
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: because it's between Aganison and was it livermoream muscovium on

508
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 3: the table? Oh it's liver I think it's liver Moream

509
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: Tennessee and Aganison.

510
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

511
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: And I can name them, but I definitely didn't know

512
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: that ten. Yeah. So to that excellent point, there are

513
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: quite possibly, as big Olo claimed back not too long ago,

514
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: there are quite possibly elements out there that humanity has

515
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: yet to experience, yet to encounter. We know that, especially

516
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: when you get to the more dodgy part of the

517
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: periodic table. There are elements that have only existed for

518
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: like a couple seconds, you know, for a very short

519
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: amount of time. And then oh, let me do that

520
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: right whatever, Paul put it in a better pop perfect

521
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: thank you. So we're talking about these possibilities, and folks,

522
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: if you've tuned into the show over the years, a

523
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: lot of this is old beans to you, because these

524
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: are things that people have been talking about since since

525
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: the nineteen forties, probably at the at the most recent right,

526
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: and possible quite possibly far before then. If you get

527
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 3: back into Vrill theories and Toullet society and all that

528
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: Hyperborean stuff, then you find that folks have always been

529
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: asking these questions. The big challenge that these three witnesses

530
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: at this most recent hearing have is to prove that

531
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: they are credible, to prove that they are not running

532
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 3: some kind of smoke and mirror sy op, which they

533
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: have been accused of, by the way, by numerous critics.

534
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: And so they again, they exhausted all the other proper

535
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: reporting channels by their own accounts, and they moved as

536
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: a unit. So they show up again just a few

537
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: days ago to Congress and they have an in depth

538
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: conversation on public record. We can talk about those witnesses

539
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: right now. I think the one people hear the most

540
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: about is probably Grush. We can confirm his background legit.

541
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: He has a clear record of service, like you said, Matt,

542
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: more than a decade in the service. Every claim he

543
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: has made outside of this one bracketed controversial thing, every

544
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: other claim he's made about his background has been investigated,

545
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: it has been verified, it's been corroborated by multiple sources.

546
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: He is telling the truth. He is a decorated combat officer.

547
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: He was active in the Afghan theater, like you said,

548
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: Matt Nga, he was at NRO as well National Reconnaissance

549
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: Office and end. He's very clear that at no point

550
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: has he personally encountered physical evidence corroborating his claims in

551
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: that he has spoken to a lot of people, He's

552
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: seen a lot of documentation, but he has never personally

553
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: been He has never personally been in some great cavern

554
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: of non human biologics. He has never personally flowed a

555
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: black cube with a strange, clearish energy bubble surrounding it.

556
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: Those are fun. I really quickly just want to correct myself,

557
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: sort of just set the record straight. Seyborgium is an

558
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: element that was named after a famous physicist named Glenn T.

559
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: Seborg who died in nineteen ninety nine. And then I

560
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: also in looking that up there apparently with some sort

561
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: of resolution passed in the scientific community to not name

562
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: elements after living scientists, So I think that might have

563
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 4: been the last one. But anyway, just for parties, you know,

564
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 4: so you can be fun like us.

565
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: So let's talk about how David Grush got this information.

566
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: He didn't see it, but he was on a mission

567
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: basically from an employer to discover things, and oh boy,

568
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: did he discover them. In twenty nineteen, David was asked

569
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: to quote identify all special access programs and controlled access

570
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: programs needed to quote satisfy our congressionally mandated which is basically,

571
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: to gather all intel on the UAP issue.

572
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: Nothing weird, you know what I mean. That's actually the

573
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: motto of the NRO. If you get one of the patches,

574
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: it says, NRO nothing weird.

575
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: Another weird, nothing really odd. Ain't no attention to the

576
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: man behind the Yeah. Well, but in that mission that

577
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: he was on, he ended up interviewing dozens of people

578
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: I think forty people with who are witnesses to UAP phenomena,

579
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: to things like this, to seeing again all the stuff

580
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 2: he's stating craft or parts of craft and whatever non

581
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: human biologics are.

582
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Whatever that is. But yeah, that's and so what we're

583
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: saying is that he is doing his job. He gets

584
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: assigned this this mission, which probably already knows is going

585
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: to be sticky. But When you have the job, you

586
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: have to do the job. And the NRH is actually

587
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: a great organization to dig into data with this line

588
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: of investigation because nothing weird, but a lot of what

589
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 3: the NRO does is monitor global communications, satellite and missile activity. Right,

590
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: they're super into saying, let's predict and prevent disaster if

591
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 3: something is flying. That we if something is out there

592
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: and it's flying and we don't expect it to be there,

593
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: let's figure out what it is. That's kind of the

594
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: NRO's job, or that's one piece of a very very

595
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: large mission set. So this, like, I think what we're

596
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: saying is this guy is not some I don't love

597
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 3: the stereotype, but he's not some tinfoil hat wing nut,

598
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's a professional, Like you said, Matt.

599
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Over the course of four years, he speaks to tons

600
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: of people and he's got the juice organizationally to ask

601
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: them some serious questions.

602
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and there's not a wingnute on the panel there.

603
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: I mean.

604
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: Listening about the Ryan Graves, who was again featured heavily

605
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: on High Strange, He's in, he goes on he talks

606
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: just about what he experienced, what other fighter pilots in

607
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: his squadron saw and witnessed, and basically how no one

608
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: talked about it after it happened. No superiors came to

609
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: discuss it was just like, oh, I guess that happened.

610
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: And that was in twenty fourteen, and Ryan states that

611
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: he and multiple other pilots experienced the same thing again

612
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: and again and again, but just nothing happened because again

613
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: everybody is a little scared, really scared to just go

614
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: forward and say, hey, Commanding officer, we saw this really

615
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: weird thing right at the entry point of our mission.

616
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: It was literally on the same radar dot as our

617
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: mission begin dot. Basically, uh, and it's like the fifth

618
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 2: time that this has happened. What's going on? Any idea?

619
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that line? It was either Graves or fraveror

620
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: who will introduce in a moment, who said, I don't know, Congressman,

621
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: I get it. Like I told them, it got put

622
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: in a file somewhere. I think it might be in

623
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: a file somewhere, which is classic Uncle Sam.

624
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: In a drawer, you know, belong.

625
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 3: They might have said, drawer I can't recall, but.

626
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, Fraver is the one who comes forward and says,

627
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: I was the basically the commanding officer of my unit there,

628
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what to say. Nobody told me anything.

629
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: I Like, I'm sitting there trying to figure it out,

630
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: and we're all just clueless and weirded out by this

631
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: whole thing. And then we just got here. Yeah, and

632
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: you just got to kind of put in the back

633
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: of your mind, like, well, that happened.

634
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: Right, So we're so. The second gentleman, the one who

635
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: actually opens up the testimony here, is a veteran US

636
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: Navy pilot retired now in private industry named Ryan Graves.

637
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: His background is likewise legitimate, and he describes aerial maneuvers

638
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: that are currently so far as he can state, beyond

639
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: the capabilities of all officially acknowledged US aircraft or human

640
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: aircraft that he is aware of. And he's very clear

641
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: about that too. That's what I respect about these guys.

642
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: They're very they're very clear when there is something that

643
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 3: they can't say for sure.

644
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 4: Well, folks like this what we call it a specific

645
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: type of training, I guess in diplomacy, you know, or

646
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: media training. But I mean there are ways that you

647
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: cover your butt, you know, when you're talking to a

648
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: governing body, you know, or like Congress. It's it's not

649
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: something that you are Maybe we would a little more

650
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Speaker 4: than the average bear just from paying attention to this

651
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, but in general, they're going to conduct

652
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Speaker 4: themselves much differently than a civilian non human. Biologics hilarious.

653
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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's only hilarious because it is so vague.

654
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 4: But it also is like odd, isn't it does? The

655
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: term biologics, It's like it baffles me.

656
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked up the definition. FDA has a different definition.

657
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: The definition that you're going to find in the dictionary

658
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: is not super helpful, so I skipped it. It's like, yes,

659
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: it's medicine.

660
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Speaker 4: It seems like largely it's referring to to like farm

661
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Speaker 4: tuns and.

662
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so did he kind of goof No, I

663
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Speaker 3: don't think so.

664
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Speaker 4: So there's this is like something, but why is there

665
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: nothing even close to what this is? What he's using

666
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: this word to communicate.

667
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: I think it's a feature, not a bug. Okay, I

668
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: think maybe maybe there we was so legal calculus behind that,

669
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: because this is deep water. You know, you're talking to Congress,

670
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: so and again we haven't talked with these folks directly.

671
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: We're just using public information to your point, nol biologics.

672
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: To me, it feels like it is a purposely chosen term,

673
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: and a lot of that might just be what can

674
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Speaker 3: and cannot be disclosed to the public, to the three

675
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: hundred million plus people here without a security clearance.

676
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Speaker 2: Guys, can we restate quickly what Ryan Graves said, because

677
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: we're we're gonna talk. We just kind of mention it

678
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: as these maneuvers. But I think if we can just

679
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: get a little bit of what they saw, it would

680
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: be awesome. This is Ryan Graves describing a twenty fourteen

681
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: incident when he and three other pilots are taking part

682
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: in a two V two fighter jet training exercise and

683
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: what they encountered.

684
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Speaker 6: Fourteen. I was an F eighteen foxtrot pilot in the

685
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Speaker 6: Navy Fighter Attack Squadron eleven, the Red Rippers, and I

686
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 6: was stationed at nas Oceania in Virginia Beach. After upgrades

687
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 6: were made to our jets radar systems, we began detecting

688
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 6: unknown objects operating in our airspace. At first, we assume

689
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 6: they were radar errors, but soon we began to correlate

690
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 6: the radar tracks with multiple on board sensors, including infrared systems,

691
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 6: eventually through visual ID. During a training mission in Warning

692
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 6: Area Whiskey seventy two, ten miles off the coast of

693
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 6: Virginia Beach, two f eighteen super hornets were split by

694
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Speaker 6: a UAP. The object, described as a dark gray or

695
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 6: a black cube inside of a clear sphere, came within

696
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 6: fifty feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to

697
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 6: be five to fifteen feet in diameter. The mission commander

698
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 6: terminated the flight immediately and returned base. Our squadron submitted

699
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 6: a safety port, but there was no official acknowledgment of

700
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 6: the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings.

701
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: That's a heck of a clay to make the congress,

702
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 3: because this is aget. This is a person who has

703
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: a set of skills that most people don't have. This guy,

704
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: this guy is a professional military pilot and was for

705
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: many years, And that means that this person is far

706
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: more likely than the average badger to be able to

707
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: identify things in the sky right and knows how to

708
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: use all the instrumentation aboard the craft that he is flying.

709
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: And there's also clay mean that this was corroborated by

710
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 3: his colleagues. That story is nuts a dark gray cube

711
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: inside a clear sphere, shadows of the borg, you know

712
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: what I mean? Hashtag star trek was right, baby. Yeah.

713
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: Well, and it might be complete coincidence, but the fact

714
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: that it's sitting on the same little place where the

715
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: radar blip is for the fire pilots to enter the

716
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: airspace where their training is going to begin, but it's

717
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: sitting right on top of it, so you literally don't

718
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: even notice that it's there if you're looking at your radar,

719
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: because it's as though you're you know, it's almost like

720
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: you're again. I use the word mission start because I'm

721
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: thinking about it like a gamer or something. This is

722
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 2: how this is the way to get into the level, right,

723
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: it's the only way in. You can only enter through

724
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: this space. And there's this unidentified thing just sitting there.

725
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: Golly yeah, and a lot of Another big part of

726
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: as amazing as this description sounds, another big part of

727
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: graves testimony, as well as Favers, concerns the stigma around

728
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: self reporting of UAP and the ARM services and with

729
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: commercial pilots as well, and later on in his statement

730
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: he says. He talks a little bit about Americans for

731
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Speaker 3: Safe Aerospace, which is a military pilot led nonprofit organization

732
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: focused on UAP, and they talked to commercial pilots too.

733
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Speaker 3: Here's a brief clip from his statement where he says

734
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: what commercial pilots tell us can defy belief, often beginning

735
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: with an apology like I apologize, I realize this will

736
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: sound crazy, and the story goes again and again. Per

737
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: these men's experience, they feel that there will be retaliation

738
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: or it can impact your career if you are just

739
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: being honest. And that's like just saying, hey, I saw

740
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: something anomaloust, not saying hey I saw an alien, just

741
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: saying the instruments and the training didn't teach us what

742
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: this is. And you shouldn't be punished for being honest

743
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: about that kind of stuff.

744
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: No, not at all. And another part of that testimony

745
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: is about how especially commercial airline pilots, as you said, Ben,

746
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: have no idea how to use evasive maneuvers for these things.

747
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: If you're in seven forty seven, what do you do

748
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: if it's in your flight path? Because some of the

749
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: fighter pilots, yeah, oh fucker, And we're asking.

750
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 3: A ttok pause the beverage service cross truck.

751
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: No, but but really like that it's dangerous. What what

752
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: they were testifying is that there is a real and

753
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: present danger to anyone flying in the skies right, not

754
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: just military fighter jet pilots, but delta pilots.

755
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 3: Right. There are a lot of people up in the sky, right,

756
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: and this this is a concern that is seconded or third,

757
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: I should say, by the next witness, uh Marine retired U. S.

758
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: Navy Commander David Fraverer. He is likewise legit. He talks

759
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: in depth about that infamous tic Tac episode uh or

760
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 3: the encounter, and he states that he and three fellow

761
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: military pilots just as well trained spotted a white tic

762
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: Tac shaped object in two thousand and four hovering below

763
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: their jets and just above the Pacific Ocean. And as

764
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: pointed out earlier, he's the commanding officer, right, which means

765
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: that people are supposed to report this to him, and

766
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: then he's going, where do I report this? It's scary stuff.

767
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: He also says, he describes how it doesn't look like

768
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: it should be able to fly. That stood out to

769
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: me right, like it has no discernible means of propulsion,

770
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: nothing that humans understand to be necessary to make something

771
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: get in the air and stay there for a little while.

772
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hate to be so unspecific here about this,

773
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: but he states that some of the censors that you're

774
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: able to see the after burners on a military jet

775
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: or something like that, where the heat basically is being

776
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: ejected to achieve repulsion in the air, they didn't sense

777
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: anything like that, which again leads you down the pathway

778
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: of oh man, this is some kind of anti gravity thing.

779
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: Oh boy, no, geez rick, what if they find out?

780
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: So he also says this thing vanished, it reappeared seconds later,

781
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: sixty miles away. This stuff defies rational explanation given the

782
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: information again, these world class experts have, so of course.

783
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: Says he just been. Fraber describes it as quote far

784
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: beyond our material science that we currently possess.

785
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: Stood out to me too, man. Yeah, he's also saying

786
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: there's no that this stuff is real, and it is

787
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: vastly superior to any military tech he is aware of.

788
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: That's sort of where our whole conversation started in this episode.

789
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: I think where you got folks with this kind of

790
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: pedigree saying that kind of stuff it's hard not to

791
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: be worried that that's the.

792
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: Truth, right, Yeah, and that's one of the big concerns,

793
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, or that's the that's the real dare I

794
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: use the pun the wordplay. That's the real on the

795
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: ground concern, right is what does what does this mean

796
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: for a large city? Right? What does this mean for

797
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: command and control of US airspace? What does it mean

798
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: for force projection? The When Graves is speaking, he says

799
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: he name checks this specifically. He says tax Squadron VFA

800
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: eleven saw some inexplicable between twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen.

801
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: It was it was following an upgrade to their radar system.

802
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: They had the best radar at the time, and they

803
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: started seeing these unknown objects tail as old as time. Unfortunately,

804
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: they were initially dismissed as software glitches, you know what

805
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean. We got some new upgrades. We might have

806
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: some kinks to work out, but they corroborated everything seven

807
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: ways to Sunday. And we see that the claims grow

808
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: more and more astonishing as the hearing continues. I suggest

809
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 3: we pause so we can take our spacecraft out around

810
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: the block, let the sponsors speak up, and then return

811
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: with some of the more notable claims. What do you

812
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: guys think we've returned? So Grush claims that the effort

813
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: to investigate and analyze and capture this stuff is above

814
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: congressional oversight and bang krolls by and this is a

815
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: quote a misappropriation of funds, in other words, black bag

816
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: stuff where and therefore the US public doesn't know what

817
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 3: they're actually buying.

818
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: It's the old sap ruse. Right, we talked about this

819
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: special Access programing m.

820
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: You make it sound so sexy. Yeah, yeah, Like there

821
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: was this one moment where a representative, a Democrat from

822
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: Florida named Jared Mouskowitz says, quote, does that mean that

823
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: there is money in the budget that is set to

824
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: go to a program but it doesn't and it goes

825
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: to something else?

826
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm just joking. Crush said, quote, yes, I

827
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: have specific knowledge of that. And then he said, you know, also,

828
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: I can't tell you because it's classified because national security

829
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: and sorry, well.

830
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: Is subtweeting a classified thing against the law, Like its

831
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 4: technical subtweets where you sort of like, uh, you sort

832
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: of shade somebody on Twitter or I guess that's now

833
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 4: it's called x. Well, but you don't name them by name,

834
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 4: you know, you don't actually give details, but you sort

835
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: of like say something that if you know, you know,

836
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 4: kind of.

837
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: It's like vage booking, vague booking.

838
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I mean, like, just again, I'm sorry

839
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: to be so gen z about this. Maybe that's not

840
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 4: even gen z. What am I talking about? Whom i'd

841
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 4: dare claim to be of that set? But like, these

842
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 4: people aren't breaking the law, right, They're they're going way

843
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: well out of their way to make sure they're not

844
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: breaking the law, and they're being asked to testify before Congress.

845
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: But they're not. Are they Are they ben subpoenat? Are

846
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: they in trouble? Like I just want to understand a

847
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: little bit of the big picture stuff. It sounds to

848
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: me like they've been targeted behind the scenes, but on paper,

849
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 4: above board, everything's okay.

850
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: According to Grush.

851
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're You're You're absolutely right, and they are

852
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: not subpoened. They are there of their own free will.

853
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: They're volunteered to come forward. But Russian particular has alluded

854
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: to retaliatory actions taken against him and his family.

855
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 4: But again, also what I was getting out at the

856
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: top of the show is the pedigree of these individuals

857
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: is of such a high caliber that it would almost

858
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: look foolish for the government to try to slander them,

859
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 4: whereas other whistleblowers there will be an active public relations

860
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: campaign to kind of dump on them in advance, you

861
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 4: know what I mean. It doesn't seem like that's happening exactly,

862
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 4: which I think is what makes this sort of an

863
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 4: interesting situation.

864
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to Again, it's tough to know because

865
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: in the hearing, Grush says that he cannot discuss the

866
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: specific retaliatory measures that he does describe as brutal. He

867
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 3: can't discuss it in the public sphere. So the implication

868
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: then is that he has what we would call actionable

869
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: intelligence on this, but that he cannot legally expose himself

870
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: to slander, libel, et cetera. That's it's a puzzle, and frankly,

871
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: it's a puzzle that we can't solve unless we know more,

872
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 3: which is why we had to say at the very

873
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: top that we're working with publicly available information.

874
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: And well, I believe I believe Grush says in states

875
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: in that testimony that he has an investigation into the

876
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: actions taken against him that's ongoing, and that's one of

877
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: the like legally he can't say because there's an investigation

878
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: that will lead to a lawsuit probably with you know,

879
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 2: with him, has the has the person who's pressing charges

880
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: against somebody?

881
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, not commenting on an ongoing investigation, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

882
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. There's also an interesting thing where he

883
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: says he's asked about extraterrestrials and he says, I prefer

884
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 3: to use the term nonhuman to keep it open.

885
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

886
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: And and then there's there's another notable claim, which I

887
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: think is you know what, you can be an absolute skeptic,

888
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: you can mean an absolute true believer, but you have

889
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 3: to agree with Graves's point this at least this one

890
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: point he makes in the hearing, which is very well put.

891
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 3: He says, look, if we're not briefing military pilots on

892
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: how to react to UAP, whatever you might conclude those

893
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 3: things are, then we're they're not going to be prepared

894
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 3: to respond appropriately, which is a great it's a great point,

895
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, how like you need to

896
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: have a clear set of procedures, order of operations for

897
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: these things.

898
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and pilots in the past have been told

899
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: to ignore those little weird blip glitches that you're seeing

900
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: that you know the pilots now know are UAP, but

901
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: they've been told by higher ups to just ignore them,

902
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: which Grave states is a huge problem and puts a

903
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: massive hole in the defense capabilities of US Navy fighter

904
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: pilots because if you're ignoring things on your radar, you

905
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: who knows what you're ignoring? What if it's something completely different.

906
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an enemy that's taking advantage of the fact

907
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: that you are you've been told to ignore it.

908
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: Hmmm. Or maybe maybe it's a it's a malfunction, And

909
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: if you ignore a malfunction on a traft, then it's

910
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna bring you down real quick on several levels.

911
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: Uh So, these guys also have a there's almost a

912
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 3: laundry list. Toward the end of several disturbing questions, when

913
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: asked whether they would have been able to protect their

914
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: craft and crew from whatever it is they saw in

915
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: the sky, both pilots say categorically no, they would not

916
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 3: be able to engage. When asked whether these UAP exhibit

917
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 3: interest in nuclear tech, grush pauses for a second and

918
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: then replies in the affirmative, does it say anything else?

919
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: And then when asked whether he had knowledge of people

920
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: being injured, which we assume to mean physically injured by UAP,

921
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: he replies in the affirmative, And again this is all

922
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: caveated with a lot of a lot of admission that

923
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: he can't say much else.

924
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: And Grush also gets asked if anyone has been murdered

925
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: to cover up the UAP phenomena, and he says, he

926
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: responds in what I would say is very much like

927
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: the affirmative, but as though, but says that he can't

928
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: speak to it, and he has provided that information in

929
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: his complaint that he put.

930
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: Ford, and that's the complain that he believe has triggered

931
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: some of the retaliatory action. But also, of course, nothing

932
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: happens in a vacuum. The Pentagon is part of this,

933
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: and the spokesperson for the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office,

934
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: so for all of us played a log at home,

935
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 3: that's adaro.

936
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: It's just rroh. They put all domain together.

937
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: So it's just rrow.

938
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 5: They never give you the d So their spokesperson said,

939
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 5: investigators have not discovered quote, any verifiable information to substantiate

940
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 5: claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse engineering

941
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: of extraterrestrial material have existed in the past or exist currently.

942
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a big surprise.

943
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: That sounds about right.

944
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: It's not like the spokesperson for the Pentagon is going

945
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 3: to come out and say, LMAO, good game, you got

946
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: us though, And this statement, of course, uh, it does

947
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: not specifically say anything about black bag projects, you know, uh,

948
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: suppressed tech. It doesn't say anything in short about UFOs

949
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: that are not suspected of being extraterrestrial objects. So is

950
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: it possible that, just like with stealth bombers in the

951
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: days of your uh, the Pentagon has some some kind

952
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: of secret craft flying around and they know what it is.

953
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: It's totally possible.

954
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: They're just being so coy about it. Many are well,

955
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: and they're not cocky devils well the r They're not

956
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: the only people to respond, although there was one other

957
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: notable ro response, and that is from doctor Sean Kirkpatrick,

958
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: who I believe he's the director of the All Domain

959
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: Anomaly Resolution Office, and he basically stated that this whole thing,

960
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: this whole hearing was just insulting to him and his

961
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: crew and everybody who works with him, which you know,

962
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: it's fine. It was a memo that got leaked on

963
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: X some new social media thing.

964
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: Well, you can also understand the frustration too, right because

965
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: again people people feel that their credibility may be at

966
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: stake for talking about this stuff. I mean, NASA also

967
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 3: comes out and they say, look, we're NASA. We are

968
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: always trying to find life somewhere else and so far, no,

969
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: we have not found any credible evidence it's an extraterrestrial life.

970
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: And they said, there's no evidence that UAP are inherently extraterrestrial.

971
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: But NASA is a little bit nicer. They're saying, we're

972
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: still exploring the Solar system, guys, that's kind of our thing,

973
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: and we are hoping to answer fundamental questions, including whether

974
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 3: we're alone in the universe. So a little bit more

975
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: diplomatic on NASA side.

976
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: Did you guys hear about the Falcon nine rat situation?

977
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: Falcon? Oh?

978
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: No, Okay, this is a social media phenomena right now

979
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: that I've been looking at. I haven't analyzed fully yet,

980
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: but there's supposed footage I think from twenty twenty one.

981
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: I may be wrong where there is a Falcon nine

982
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: second stage rocket, you know, in pretty much in space

983
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: at this point. Once you're on second stage with a

984
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: Falcon nine rocket, where there's a rat crawling around, like

985
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: on the exterior, there's a shot, you know, one of

986
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: those cameras that they have mounted to the exterior of

987
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: the rocket. There's like a rat you can visibly see

988
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: walking around on the rocket. The implication being that the

989
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: whole thing is green screened and nothing's actually moving. There's

990
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: a rat in a studio somewhere.

991
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: Okay, and they just that made it through the editing bay.

992
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm you know, according to TikTok, I don't know.

993
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 3: Maybe there's also that funny moment in the hearing where oh,

994
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: I can't remember which congresspin it is, but he's he uh,

995
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 3: he says in a gield that's tic Tac, not talk. Oh,

996
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 3: I tell my daughter that she told me.

997
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Booma, Yeah, now that Chinese communist website, it's uh,

998
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: it's the Chinese Communist website.

999
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this was not by any means a

1000
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 3: hostile hearing, you know what I mean, Like the members

1001
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: of Congress, the House representatives, the witnesses, their supporters giving

1002
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: their testimony. There's not a lot of what's that movie

1003
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 3: with Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson A few good men?

1004
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 4: There's not a handle of the true.

1005
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a few good men's situation here. It

1006
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: does sound like they're all working together to try to

1007
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: find some solutions to these things, because they are dangerous implications.

1008
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: The first, most immediate dangerous implication is that the US

1009
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 3: public is paying for something, and has been paying for

1010
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 3: something for decades with no oversight, no checks or balances,

1011
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 3: which means that there will inevitably be Mission creep. The

1012
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 3: second implication, of course, national security threat, not just for

1013
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: the US but for everybody. And then we have to

1014
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: give some air for the for the scientists, because Grush

1015
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: does have a degree in physics. But these guys are

1016
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: also again a thing that I at least I have

1017
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: immense respect for them on. I think it speaks to

1018
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: their character. They're not making claims that they feel they

1019
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 3: cannot support, and they're not saying they have answers when

1020
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: they don't. They're not claiming to be academics, they're not

1021
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: claiming to be the world expert on material science or whatnot.

1022
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: But there haven't been scientists publicly talking about analyze the

1023
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: an analysis of these physical things, whether they be craft

1024
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: or whether they be non human biologics. And then there's

1025
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: also the inevitable recursive thing with social media. There are

1026
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 3: a lot of people saying, what if this is bred

1027
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: and circuses? What if this is smoke and mirrors? What

1028
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: if this is a distraction from other very clear and

1029
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 3: very provable dangerous things global boiling.

1030
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 4: About that one? That's a fun.

1031
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's and directed energy weapons from Antarctica. That pyramid.

1032
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 4: Got a little shivery there.

1033
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: I like you that thing. I don't know that that

1034
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: was weird me out. I've been going down that rabbit

1035
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: hole while I've been on beach time. It's just like,

1036
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: what is this one kilometer by one kilometer by one

1037
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: kilometer optical thing that can send signals? Okay, cool, everything's fine,

1038
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: But really to when you're talking about that Ben, it

1039
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: makes me think of that Whitest Kids, you know sketch

1040
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,479
Speaker 2: that we've mentioned before, where there's an official White House

1041
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: briefing and it's about the bears from space and Mars

1042
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: that are all like working with cartels and we think

1043
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: they might be joining up with some kind of wizard faction.

1044
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: And then one of the people in the audience says, Hey,

1045
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: I have a question, just sew in the dark. Are

1046
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: we invading Iran today?

1047
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1048
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: The guy? Yeah, you got me. Yeah, yeah, you got me.

1049
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: You know, I really like that. Showing's actual shame that

1050
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: Trevor Moore passed away so young.

1051
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 4: That is a bummer, for sure. It is nice to

1052
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 4: see the one guy whose name I'm totally forgetting, going

1053
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 4: to make an amazing horror film in Barbarian.

1054
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 3: What's that guy's name? Oh well, there's Timmy Williams. There's

1055
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: Zach Kreiger.

1056
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,479
Speaker 4: Zach Creigor is the Barbarian guy. Yea, in the great

1057
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 4: footsteps of of Jordan Peel.

1058
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing really differentiating horror and comedy is

1059
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 3: the sound design. So we have to ask ourselves, like,

1060
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: there's still a bunch that hasn't been answered yet. And

1061
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 3: of course we want to thank these three men for

1062
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 3: coming forward in good faith and perhaps at personal and

1063
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: professional risk. For sure, I want to thank everybody who

1064
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 3: is objectively investigating this, who is advocating for a reporting process,

1065
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: And we have to ask what does this mean for now?

1066
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: I mean it shows us the hearing appears to be

1067
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 3: a step for true believers, it's a monumental step toward

1068
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: the greatest discovery in human history. For the skeptics, this

1069
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: is a monumental step in political theater. Maybe for those

1070
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: who believe, it's a distraction. And at the very least

1071
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 3: it does appear that the armed forces must acknowledge and

1072
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: investigate anomalous sightings on the part of their personnel and

1073
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: avoid retaliating against them. I mean, I don't know. Also,

1074
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: what a kicker. What we said this before? I said

1075
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: this before. It's classic human Can you imagine we discover

1076
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 3: real non human intens in elligent civilization just as our

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Speaker 3: world is burning down, and then we try to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we try to move in with them too quickly and

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Speaker 3: take it long term, like hey, it's great to meet you.

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Speaker 4: Oh definitely, and well please suretta welcome or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Show and they're like, oh, man one hundred and fifteen,

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Speaker 2: this is perfect.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's fair enough. Yea. So let us know, folks,

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Speaker 3: let us know when you tuned into the hearing, what

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Speaker 3: you thought about this. Let us know what you see

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Speaker 3: as coming next down the line. Because of course, nothing

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Speaker 3: happens in a vacuum unless happens in outer space, okay.

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Speaker 4: Or a vacuum and like clean cleaning up.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, gosh, and the words of my new best

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Speaker 2: friend Burchette. Guys, thank you for being here. Brother.

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Speaker 4: I'm just tickle pain to be here. That's what I say.

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Speaker 3: I do declare And if you would like to make

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Speaker 3: your declarations about this episode, we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: Join up. We try to be easy to find online.

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Speaker 4: Crackt. You can find its in the handle conspiracy stuff

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Speaker 4: on x Yeah, I'm not gonna call it that, Twitter,

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Speaker 4: YouTube and Facebook conspiracy stuff show on Instagram is.

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Speaker 2: Thenew url x dot com Is that a thing? Or

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Speaker 2: is it Twitter?

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Speaker 4: It sounds like a really raunchy dating site.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm being serious. Is it Twitter?

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Speaker 4: Probably? Twitter probably redirects but okay, yeah, it's it's x

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Speaker 4: dot com. Wow.

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Speaker 2: All right, so much can happen short time? You can

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Speaker 2: y t K. It's a voicemail system. You get three minutes.

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Speaker 2: Say whatever you'd like, give a cool nickname and let

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Speaker 2: us know if we can use your message and voice

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Speaker 2: on the air. If you got more to say, they

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Speaker 2: can fit in that three minutes. Want to instead send

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Speaker 2: us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production

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