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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. It's February ninth, and yes

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Speaker 2: it is Monday, and we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni was back in court and had a very

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Speaker 2: recent outburst. We didn't get a chance to uncover that

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Speaker 2: last night. Plus Nancy Guthrie NBC host, Savannah Guthrie's mother

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Speaker 2: still not found, and we'll go through all of the

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Speaker 2: developments today. Another message out to Frankly, all of us.

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Speaker 2: Now it appears that Savannah is asking for the public's

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Speaker 2: help at this point. You in their dying hour is

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Speaker 2: what it really sounds like, and it's heart wrenching. Plus,

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Speaker 2: all of these Epstein files keep hitting and hitting and hitting,

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Speaker 2: and as we're kind of navigating through that, we just

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Speaker 2: want to make sure that we're really not losing a

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Speaker 2: plot here, and the most important piece to this being

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Speaker 2: justice for the victims. So we have a very special

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Speaker 2: survivor back with us tonight.

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Speaker 3: You know, Hayley Robson was with us.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It seems like yesterday, but that may have been two

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Speaker 2: months ago. So much has happened since she was here

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Speaker 2: with us last So she's going to come back because

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Speaker 2: it has been an explosive day. Gilly Maxwell pleading the

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Speaker 2: fifth in front of Congress today. So ladies, I'm Stephanie

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Speaker 2: Leidecker here with my two favorite crime justice lover. Is

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Speaker 2: that the right way of putting in it? Come on,

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Speaker 2: It's Monday Nights are for lovers. Courtney Body and of

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Speaker 2: course we have Taha, Sam and Adam in the house

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 4: Happy Monday girl, Happy Monday, Happy Monday. I spent all

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Speaker 4: day at work today. I don't know the words, but

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Speaker 4: I love you.

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Speaker 5: I spent all day at work today, So I'm I'm

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Speaker 5: in a pretty good mood. How are you, guys? You

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Speaker 5: were swaying your ways. I was banging it up all

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Speaker 5: day to day.

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Speaker 4: N I was. And my man Pedro.

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Speaker 2: Yet Virus comment that she loves Pedro Pascal and he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, grooving and dancing.

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Speaker 6: He was.

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Speaker 4: It was great back at the super Bowl with Alex Earl. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that was it was. It was cool. I loved it.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a great Do you think they

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Speaker 4: were all selected right before to dance in the background

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Speaker 4: or was that scheduled and planned?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: I think that was scheduled.

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Speaker 8: I guess love because I mean impromptu. And you, God

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Speaker 8: forbid you have something slightly illegal, not that Paedro Coscale

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Speaker 8: would or you know.

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Speaker 2: You don't say, I know he's an angel, angel of right.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth? So yeah, I mean there's so

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Speaker 2: much to get to Happy Monday, you know, Courtney, where

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Speaker 2: do you want to begin? Because there's also that case too.

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Speaker 2: I hope we get to it tonight of the dad

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Speaker 2: whose child who has been now allegedly accused of murder

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to that later as well. But I

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Speaker 2: know Luigi is likely on your mind, Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Luigi is heavy on my mind.

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Speaker 8: So a New York judge has set Luigiman June's state

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Speaker 8: murder trial for the eighth of June, so not too

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Speaker 8: long from now, so four months from now. And what

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Speaker 2: So pretty major to break that down, because is that

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Speaker 3: Resolved or they have more time on that. What's the rub.

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Speaker 8: Well, in this particular instance, what we've learned is that

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Speaker 3: So this is what's happening.

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Speaker 8: It's been a debate over whether the State of New

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Speaker 3: Luigi Manjune.

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Speaker 8: He's a twenty seven year old, he's an Ivy League graduate,

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Speaker 8: and he has pleaded not guilty to parallel state and

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Speaker 8: Mangi owns lawyers want the federal case to go first,

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Speaker 8: fiercely because again New York's double jeopardy law is broadle broader,

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Speaker 8: That's the main argument. But on Friday, the judge, Judge Caro,

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Speaker 8: told the attorneys, he said, to the defense, you've done

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it was really didn't seem like a

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Speaker 2: Does Luigi is he really he thinks he's innocent? Is

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Speaker 2: that what he is saying? He is saying he's not guilty,

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Speaker 3: That he is the shooter?

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Speaker 5: I don't know that he denies it. I mean, he's plugged,

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Speaker 5: not guilty, right, So, I mean technically, but I think

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Speaker 5: what the main argument is that because of the duel

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Speaker 5: but there's that dual sovereign doctrine. Okay, that says, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not really going to it's not really double jeopardy yet. Right,

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Speaker 5: So if he's cant did by in the New York

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Speaker 5: been I've been declared innocent, you can't try me again

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Speaker 5: at the federal level, however, because there there are intersectionality

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Speaker 5: try out the interstate part of it. That's not really

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Speaker 5: this is something I think we really need a legal

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Speaker 8: But it means different. It's it's the same crime, but

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Speaker 8: it's different charging. It is different charges. So that's there

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Speaker 8: is you know, it's not just the state and the

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Speaker 3: There different charges that you can be accused of.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know how this is going to work. Well,

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Speaker 5: this is something that we definitely can unpack with Jared

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if Luigi's like super clever and he

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Speaker 2: irritating because it felt like he had a big message

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Speaker 3: Not the shooter.

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Speaker 2: Is that what he's saying or are we just getting

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Speaker 5: I've always thought, and I made tiktalks about this in

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Speaker 5: the past, that Luigi wanted to put the system on trial,

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Speaker 5: and I think I think if he is acquitted, I

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Speaker 5: I think if he is acquitted, I don't think I

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Speaker 3: I do, But the federal prosecuting system, or the healthcare system.

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Speaker 2: I say, the federal and state system a lot here,

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Speaker 2: the Miranda rights, et cetera. So which is the case

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Speaker 2: more likely to win? Man all of these hearings, none

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Speaker 8: Right right, Well, it's all also leading up to the

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Speaker 8: criminal trials, right. So this but as Mangione was let

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Speaker 8: double jeopardy by any common sense definition. And he added

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Speaker 8: facing the same trial twice and again. This is a

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Speaker 8: case where federal law does permit parallel state and federal prosecutions.

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Speaker 8: But interestingly, New York does generally bar a state case

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Speaker 8: that's what makes the federal first so important. When Manjion's

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Speaker 4: It's like two bites in the same apple.

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Speaker 8: It is confusing, and if you're just joining us, this

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Speaker 8: is true crime. Tonight, we're on iHeartRadio and we are

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Speaker 8: talking about luigiman Gione and as of right now, he

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Speaker 8: the murder of United Healthcare Brian Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Do we not have.

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Speaker 2: David the Pop Star behind bars? Not to digress, but

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Speaker 2: course they do. I don't think they. I don't think

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Speaker 5: I don't think that this has anything to do with

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Speaker 5: So I mean, just like just like what we're talking

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Speaker 5: about here with Double Jeopardy with Luigi, they have one

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Speaker 5: chance to get this right, and they don't have it

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Speaker 4: They don't have it all yet.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they have enough maybe to indict, we don't

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Speaker 5: know yet, but they just don't have enough yet. You

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Speaker 5: murdered Celestevas Hernandez and put you know, Celes know, poor

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Speaker 5: Stephanie kind of went into We've got Nancy Guthrie coming

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Speaker 2: and listen a stack mat a headlines. You know we are.

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Speaker 2: We're desperately still looking for Nancy Guthrie on behalf of

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Speaker 7: Hi, ladies.

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Speaker 10: In regards to Nancy Guthrie not attending the church in

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Speaker 7: So I could see how if she was.

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Speaker 10: Like logged in every single week and then all of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is interesting. So I was talking about

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Speaker 5: He said, all we can tell you is that Nancy

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Speaker 5: and that's really all we have to say right now,

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Speaker 5: the older folks in particular like to worship online, particularly

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Speaker 5: so they're just saying that they don't know why she

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Or am I just going about my day. I would

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Speaker 4: just say, I don't know, I'm asking.

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Speaker 3: You have buddies, you have little friends and stuff.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's maybe maybe she chatted with somebody a lot

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Speaker 5: and he did miss her. There was a source, and

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Speaker 3: Now that's so, it's.

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Speaker 2: So, But that was a big that was a big

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Speaker 2: It could be maybe it was just misreported early on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe my takeaway was somebody from church that was having

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Speaker 3: And that might be you know where.

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Speaker 5: Nancy maybe, like you said, like a little friend that

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Speaker 5: seeing her in chat, maybe called right the house, Hey Nancy,

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Speaker 3: Like a very likely scenario that could.

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Speaker 4: Very well be very well be yeah, because they do

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Speaker 2: Still it was a little different. Yeah, I mean, this case,

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Speaker 2: this story is just so sad. My head show did

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Speaker 2: being told like a six million dollar ransom deadline passed

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Speaker 11: There, everybody. I wanted to come on and just share

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Speaker 11: Somehow, in some ways, she is feeling these prayers and

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Speaker 11: matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson.

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Speaker 11: If you see anything, if you hear anything, if there's

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Speaker 4: And we need your ob Wow.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is a real person's life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a marketing Differancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a shocking tone switch. It's just to

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Speaker 4: It's not instead of like the possible the captors, Because

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And this is just just different and the resignation,

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Speaker 9: And isn't this the first one where it was just

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Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, almost like a one on one plead to I

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Speaker 4: To republic and the FBI almost Yeah, there's two, God,

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Speaker 5: The FBI is not aware of any continued communication between

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Speaker 2: I saw Harvey Levin on one of the news programs

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they also said unique to this Yeah, sorry, no,

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Speaker 2: The only other thing that they said was that unique

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Speaker 8: Did Oh as you're thinking that, I will I will

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Speaker 3: They're following every lead they can.

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Speaker 8: They continue collecting evidence both at Nancy Guthrie's home and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, do we know is that where she

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Speaker 8: I feel like they went to the house, but that

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Speaker 8: I feel too, I feel like, like a plant they.

442
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 9: Went to a restaurant, we would have heard more about that,

443
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 9: Like I think it was to her house because we

444
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 9: haven't heard anything about her plant.

445
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: Right, So maybe maybe they're looking for, you know, things

446
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: that happened that night. Maybe mm hmm, you know, anything

447
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 5: really uh fingerprints, uh, cameras, Maybe she was being followed,

448
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 5: maybe the not No, I don't want to say. Maybe

449
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 5: the uber driver had put him or her under the spotlight,

450
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: but you know something a run in that they had,

451
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 5: who knows. My goodness, how scary for those who aren't aware.

452
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 5: Over the weekend, there was another another video that was

453
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 5: released by the family where they kind of addressed the

454
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: potential you know, kidnappers, saying that they got the message

455
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 5: and you know that they were willing to pay. So

456
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 5: it seemed very like we're talking to you abductors, right.

457
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 5: This message was very like to the public, like we

458
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 5: believe our mom is being you know, was taken somewhere

459
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: that maybe the public would have access to see her.

460
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 5: So I thought it was just a really different tone

461
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 5: it was.

462
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: Oh, and I remember the thought too. Oh, it just

463
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 3: came to me.

464
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: The idea that an elder being abducted, according to this said.

465
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: Profiler, is rare, right, Yeah.

466
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: And typically if in fact it's not a hostage situation

467
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: for money, if it's not for ransom, then typically it's

468
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: somebody who has a relationship with the victim.

469
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: It could be like a caregiver.

470
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that in this case, but typically it

471
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: could be somebody who has like actra grind from the

472
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: nursing home or has an issue.

473
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: So you know that is unique for the elder abduction part.

474
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: It's very random to have that be a stranger altogether,

475
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: certainly if it's not for six million dollars.

476
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 5: Right, because it's it's a lot of like maintenance, I

477
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: guess is I don't know if that's the right word,

478
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: but a liability, a liability, right, yeah, because and I

479
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: they need.

480
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 8: Stuff exactly, and especially Nancy Guthrie's case or medication. I

481
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 8: did want to clarify. So Saturday evening, Nancy Guthrie, she did,

482
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 8: she did take an uber to her daughter Annie's home,

483
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 8: This is around five thirty two on that Saturdayay, January

484
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 8: thirty first, and man, they had dinner and a game

485
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 8: night she joined us, so they were that that's right, yeah,

486
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 8: and unbelievable and I forgot that this Ye, she.

487
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: Took an Uber. Nancy took an Uber home.

488
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 8: The Uber driver is not under suspicion, shared his video

489
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 8: of course of Nancy in the car and yeah, she

490
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 8: left at five point thirty two for the night. Her

491
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 8: garage door opened back at ninety eight Saturday evening and

492
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 8: was closed at nine fifty yeah that night.

493
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the front door camera you know, is missing.

494
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 5: Right and the software though, did detect a person on

495
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: camera at two twelve am.

496
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: Scary, very scary.

497
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 5: Our hearts are with them and we hope that there's

498
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: some good news soon for that, right.

499
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: There has to be something soon unless these it seems

500
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: like everything just completely made up.

501
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 11: Right.

502
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: It seems like I always wonder like if we're looking there, like,

503
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, where's the ransom money?

504
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: The ransom the ransom money?

505
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: Is that just a way for somebody who maybe committed

506
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: a terrible crime. I don't even want to put it

507
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: out there just to go and cover it up. Because

508
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about a ransom note, right, and then you

509
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: know the real criminals can you know, run off into

510
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: the sunset.

511
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think when they're like, look here.

512
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: A distraction, like an agent character, is some of.

513
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: Their major thing happening on the other side.

514
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think that's I didn't read thought of

515
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 5: that stuff. That's actually a pretty good theory because you know,

516
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 5: you're focusing so much on who wrote the ransom note,

517
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 5: you're not really focused on anybody else, right.

518
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: It's the first story on every news.

519
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Channel, it is, no, it is, yeah, and then in

520
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: the mainstream media less so you know, on the and

521
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if my algorithm is just feeding me

522
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: my own algorithm, you know what I mean. It is

523
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: we're just like regurgitating the same thoughts. So I'm like,

524
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: that's why the opinions thing is so important, But I

525
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: see it more on the mainstream media.

526
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too. It's it's crazy.

527
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 5: So and it's important to know to Pma County Sheriff's

528
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: office are now full time at the house at Nancy's

529
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 5: house because prior to that they it was just a

530
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 5: i'me see and they kind of had not abandoned it

531
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 5: but you know it wasn't guarded, but now they're they're

532
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: guarding it now and nearby locations, including the daughter's home.

533
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 9: Look you lose right, Oh okay, I was gonna say

534
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 9: you always do that, Like, wouldn't they always have someone

535
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 9: full time and such a Okay.

536
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 2: No, but you would have thought by now that that silly, yellow,

537
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: flimsy tape. I know that they would have something more

538
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: efficient than that silly tape.

539
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 4: Some kind of electrons like that.

540
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: There's more of like a fence that is, you know,

541
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: something kind of sanitary that keeps all the germs or

542
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: dust away.

543
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, apparently the tape is up.

544
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: Have you guys seen that thing too where people are

545
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: saying that the video that was released on the seventh,

546
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: where all three siblings are sitting there, that it's Ai

547
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: because Savannah's got like two thumbs. They don't realize that

548
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: she's holding the hand of rother sister like AI is

549
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: making us crazy.

550
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: I really don't know. I think that man crazier still.

551
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 2: So this dad who's now about to stay on trial

552
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: for allegedly enabling his alleged school shooter son with a gun.

553
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, oof, this is.

554
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: We're seeing this now more and more. This is even

555
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: in the time since we've been on the air, we've

556
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: covered now various cases of this kind, but pretty major.

557
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: The crumbles in Michigan. It's very reminiscent, right that. That's right,

558
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: that's right. It's a little bit different situation. But here's

559
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 5: what's going on. So, jury selection began today in Hull County,

560
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: Georgia for the trial of Colin Gray. He's the father

561
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: of the Appalachi High School shooter, Colt Gray, all right,

562
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 5: So he's being tried on charges tied to the September

563
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four school shooting. It's being alleged that on

564
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 5: September fourth, twenty twenty four, fourteen year old Colt Gray

565
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: allegedly killed two students and two teachers at Apalachi I

566
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 5: can't say that word at high school and injured nine others.

567
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: So Colin Gray the defendant here. He's accused of criminally

568
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: enabling his son by giving him a semi automatic rifle,

569
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: despite prior warnings about his son's mental health and interest

570
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: in school shootings. So, in face of knowing that his

571
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: child had some sort of fascination with school shootings, this

572
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: father gave him a semi rifle, Like, what the hell?

573
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: And you know, listen, I mean, I think we're at

574
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: the point where this needs to happen. Unfortunately, you know

575
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 5: it needs to happen.

576
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: You were just saying about the Crombie case. Am I

577
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: saying that?

578
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 7: Right?

579
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: The Crombie I.

580
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: Think it's crumbly. I don't crumbly. The crumbly mother father,

581
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: the Crumbles who had his and they too had a

582
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: son who brought their gun that they bought for him

583
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: to school. But also there were the school had, you know,

584
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: gave mom a heads up that they had some concerns

585
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: about the son, and mom chose not to listen to

586
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: the school and yet her son went and you know,

587
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: took life. It's unimaginable. So yeah, in this circumstance as well,

588
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: this is that is enabling.

589
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: It is so because like in May, prior to the

590
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: school shooting, it was five months prior to the school shooting,

591
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: law enforcement questioned both the suspect that did the shooting,

592
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: cult and Colin the father about online threats to commit

593
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: school shootings that he was making, but no chargers were

594
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: filed at that time. And then he goes and gets

595
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: him a Christmas gift of this gun, like what I mean,

596
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: at some point of.

597
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: A semi automatic assault style rifle.

598
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: For you were, as a parent of one of these victims,

599
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: or any of them, whether they're merely injured or their lives,

600
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: have been taken so senselessly by a fourteen year old,

601
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: and this is a holiday gift to the child who

602
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: already has shown interest in school shootings.

603
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: And investigators have said that the dad was aware that

604
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 5: his son had deteriorating mental health and was seeking help

605
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 5: from counseling services.

606
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: Just weeks before the shooting.

607
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: He gave him a semi automatic rifle as a Christmas gift,

608
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 5: and later got him larger magazines because his son wanted

609
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: bigger magazines, so dad went out and bought them for him,

610
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: knowing that his son was posting the stuff online. It's

611
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: crazy to me, I feel like this is appropriate prosecution.

612
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 5: Don't feel that way, but I do.

613
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 8: He literally put a semi autumn at a weapon in

614
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 8: the hands of a fourteen year old who had been

615
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 8: questioned by the police about posting about a school shooting

616
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 8: and was continuing at that moment to receive counseling about

617
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 8: the same topic. And you're handing him a bigger firearm

618
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 8: and more ammunition to a fourteen year old.

619
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: Nuts Nuts, that's terrible.

620
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: So three weeks have been allotted for jury selection and

621
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 5: the trial. The trial was moved from Borrow County due

622
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: to concerns about you know, the pre trial publicity. Colin

623
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 5: Gray the dad again, he's in custody and he remains

624
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 5: so since his arrest. Bond has been set at five

625
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars and he's facing twenty nine counts, including

626
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 5: two counts of second degree murder, two counts of involuntary manslaughter,

627
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: and multiple counts of second degree cruelty to children. I listen,

628
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 5: I'm on board with this kind of prosecution.

629
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: I really yeah.

630
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 8: This is so egregious and over the top. You're a parent,

631
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 8: you're responsible. You're responsible for your child's you know, honestly

632
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 8: a lot of their behavior. If they if they go

633
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 8: and egg someone's house, they're calling you for that. So

634
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 8: you know that your child is having mental health issues

635
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 8: and you hand him a loaded semi automatic gun followed

636
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 8: by more ammunition.

637
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: Everybody's lives are over on all sides, right.

638
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 9: I'd be more surprised if someone didn't agree with this prosecution,

639
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 9: Like how could you not. I can't even imagine someone

640
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 9: who sees the other side, not that every want to.

641
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: The other side.

642
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: It would be that you're a parent who only sees

643
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: a certain version of your child. And despite you know,

644
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: being told that this child was having ideation around guns

645
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: and school shootings, they did not see that. In their opinion,

646
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: their kid was perfect and they have a different relationship

647
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: with guns. So therefore that seemed to apropriate at Christmas time.

648
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes we see loved ones through a very

649
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: specific lens. It's so easy to see it in other

650
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: people's lives.

651
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 9: Has deteriorating mental health issues. Like that's the part, like

652
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 9: the parents know that, that's the part why I can.

653
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: I I'm not. I'm just sure that's the other side

654
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: of it.

655
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 8: And Stephanie, I grant you that everything you said about

656
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 8: seeing people we love, But when the police are saying, hey,

657
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 8: heads up, uh this person has been posting about online shooting,

658
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 8: I don't.

659
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just.

660
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: It's really hard to come back from that. Yeah, like that,

661
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Speaker 2: Oh let me go give Crombie is I thought deserved it. Also,

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Speaker 2: you know too, I took a pretty strong stance in that.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people didn't though, and a lot of

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Speaker 5: people didn't. But yeah, so we're going to be following this,

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Speaker 5: so stay tuned for that. But I understand we might

666
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Speaker 5: have some talkbacks on the pipeline. Is that right, Let's

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Speaker 5: do it. Let's play one.

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Speaker 6: Hey, ladies, I've been seeing all over TikTok that John

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Speaker 6: Benet Ramsey is in the Epstein files. Can you guys

670
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Speaker 6: talk about this and verify this and like, because if

671
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Speaker 6: she is, that really is a detriment to John Ramsay

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Speaker 6: and how he said he was protecting his daughter and

673
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Speaker 6: keeping her away from some of these pedophiles and human

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Speaker 6: trafficking rings.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

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Speaker 5: I we only have like do we only how much?

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Speaker 4: I could talk about this for a long time?

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Speaker 3: You have? I know, we extend the show for ten

679
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Speaker 3: more hours. I would like ten more hours added to tonight.

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Speaker 4: Have you guys seen this?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Okay, So just so for those if you haven't seen it,

683
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Speaker 5: there's a kind of a famous photo of Jean Benet

684
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Speaker 5: at the time of her death, and she's wearing like

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Speaker 5: this white shirt and like this kind of like an

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Speaker 5: overall dress.

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Speaker 4: Like a you know, like look like little overalls kind

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Speaker 4: of situation.

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Speaker 5: Well, in the Epstein files, there's a photo and the victims,

690
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Speaker 5: well not victims, but I don't know if it's a victim.

691
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Speaker 5: I shouldn't say that. There's a little girl sitting on

692
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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein's shoulders and her face is blacked out, but

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Speaker 5: in subsequent photos they forgot to redact the face, right,

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Speaker 5: and you can see the little girl's face and guess

695
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Speaker 5: what it looks like, Jaanbinet, like a.

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Speaker 4: She's wearing the overalls. It's like what Okay? And we

697
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: have to keep in mind too that from poor little

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Speaker 4: Jambinet's autopsy, they did find sexual abuse. And not only

699
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Speaker 4: did they find sexual abuse from that night, they found

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Speaker 4: a cute sexual abuse, meaning that had been ongoing. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So what does that mean?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 4: John?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's Jambonnet, but I think it's an

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Speaker 5: important discussion. And the reason I think it's an important

706
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 5: discussion is because, like when I first started the show,

707
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Speaker 5: I hadn't really I hadn't really known a lot about

708
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 5: sex trafficking and the survivors and whatnot, And doing this show,

709
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Speaker 5: I've really learned a lot because it just because of

710
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Speaker 5: what's been going on in the world today. We've been

711
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Speaker 5: talking about it a lot, right, And I always envision

712
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Speaker 5: like sex trafficking and even Epstein victims in my mind

713
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Speaker 5: as being like in shipping containers being shipped to the

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Speaker 5: island and you know, coming from horrible homes and you

715
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Speaker 5: know whatnot and that's not true, right, I thought this, right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And I think it's important to know that this can

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Speaker 5: happen in good homes, affluent homes, homes with money, homes

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Speaker 5: that on the outwards, you know, appearance look great.

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Speaker 4: Right. And I also have to remember Jean Benet when

720
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Speaker 4: it all happened to how we all were like, gosh,

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Speaker 4: she's being kind of like over sexualized for a little girl, right, Like.

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Speaker 3: It was the beauty pagets, the beauty.

723
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Speaker 4: Patch and stuff. Right, So I mean, is there something here?

724
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Speaker 4: I don't know?

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Speaker 8: I mean I will and there's plenty to discuss. But

726
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Speaker 8: I would just like to give voice to John Ramsey,

727
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Speaker 8: John Benet father's absolute words, and he calls any alleged

728
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Speaker 8: link crule goes on say people are sick and cruel.

729
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Speaker 3: The internet will destroy.

730
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Speaker 8: Us as a country if we don't get it under control,

731
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Speaker 8: because that's obviously made up.

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Speaker 3: It's just scary.

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Speaker 8: There's no truth to it at all, but the fact

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Speaker 8: that people believe it is quite scary.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I saw this too and again as I'm going through

737
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Speaker 2: all of these files to the best of our ability

738
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Speaker 2: and trying to really be open minded, you know, victim

739
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Speaker 2: forward at all costs, and just like, what do we see?

740
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Speaker 3: It's all so too much.

741
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Speaker 2: And initially when I saw the John Benet Ramsey thing,

742
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, come on, this seems like almost

743
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Speaker 2: like a little red Sary flue that they threw in

744
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Speaker 2: there to like see, like, oh, this will make them

745
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: all go They'll all go crazy for this one, and

746
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: then we'll prove it to be ai or inaccurate, and

747
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: that will discredit other things that we see populi exiles.

748
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: That to me does track and I think we do

749
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Speaker 2: need to be prepared for some of that.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, what's the line.

751
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Honestly, I can't you know, Haley Robson, Thank God is back.

752
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: What a survivor? I mean, the questions are endless. By

753
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: the way, if you want to ask any call us

754
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: live eight eight eight three one crime. And I got

755
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: to tell you I have to still collect myself over

756
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: how we should be approaching this and the files and

757
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: what is really at the core here.

758
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Speaker 3: Is crazier than any of us thought. And I thought

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Speaker 3: I was crazy, So I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: I think we got to continue the chorus right now

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Speaker 2: and make sure that we're continuing to make victims at

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Speaker 2: the center of this conversation and survivors, I should say,

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Speaker 2: at the center of it, because who's to say this

764
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: machine is not still very very active real time?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's true, Like who's the hair apparent?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're getting thrown all of this

767
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: information can be And it's a similar to what we

768
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Speaker 2: were just saying, Hey, look over here at these look

769
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Speaker 2: at the Jon Benet stuff.

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Speaker 3: So you're not really looking at this stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what's up with all the twenty

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Speaker 2: three in me kits that were being sent everywhere all

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Speaker 2: the time. I thought we had decided that the pizza

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00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: thing was not a thing. But why is pizza in

775
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: grape soda mentioned six hundred and eleven times? I don't understand.

776
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: Some of it is actually needs to be decoded for

777
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: me in a bigger way because it's insane in the membrane,

778
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Speaker 2: and I can only imagine how people are like digesting this.

779
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: I almost yesterday I thought everybody should start reading it

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Speaker 2: and we'd all do it in ten ten pages each,

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00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: and all of us listeners included, if we all took

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Speaker 2: ten pages, we'd be through it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that I recommend that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's triggering and it's dark stuff, and I'm

785
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Speaker 2: almost like we all have to kind of get through

786
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: it and then like let's get stay reasonable and like

787
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: not let it devour us, because.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think Adam should be in charge

789
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Speaker 4: of that. Adam.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the sound in the boother, he seems

791
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Speaker 5: to have his finger on the pulse of what's going

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Speaker 5: on in the ebstcene. I wat your little rundown that

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Speaker 5: you sent me, Adam. I was pretty impressed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably more Adam.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Stephanie just said it.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I do not particularly recommend going through it

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Speaker 12: all because it's very depressing and uh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 12: I felt bad even just sending you guys documents I did,

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Speaker 12: because it's just some of the most just the most

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Speaker 12: depre information.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, and it was so helpful, Adam.

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Speaker 2: But It also just goes to show I think we

804
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: all are in agreement, like well, I think we all

805
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: know the difference between right and wrong, and I think

806
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: our boundaries are really being tested at this point. Not

807
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: a time for hysterics, but definitely a time for us

808
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: all to stay I don't know, connected and with our

809
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: eyes wide open.

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Speaker 5: Did you happen to see Virginia Guffoy's parents based an

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00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 5: open letter to Gleanne Maxwell today to her, no.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: They were like, you you do not get to sit

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00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: there in Congress and plead the fifth. You don't get

815
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: that luxury. They went off. It was very interesting. I'll

816
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 5: find it in the break and wait.

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00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: How do I not know this?

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00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: So yes, and it just just joining us. Gieline Maxwell

819
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: when before Congress today in her very dull beige gear,

820
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Speaker 2: and she just decided to invoke her ability to plead

821
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Speaker 2: the fifth when asked.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, she'll do that.

823
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Speaker 2: But maybe if President Trump offers her clemency meaning she walks,

824
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: then you know she probably can absolve Trump and Clinton

825
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: of any wrongdoing. Like this is the greatest con job

826
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Speaker 2: of all time.

827
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Speaker 3: We've all been played.

828
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: They told her, you need to be trapped in a

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Speaker 4: cage forever.

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Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, Well listen stick around. Coming up at

831
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Speaker 8: the top of the hour, we are going to dissect

832
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Speaker 8: some of the new Epstein revelations and also again we

833
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 8: are going to be joined by Epstein survivor Hailey Robson,

834
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Speaker 8: and we're going to talk about what still isn't being said.

835
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Speaker 8: We'd love to hear from you if you have questions

836
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Speaker 8: for us, or Haley Robson eight at eight three one Crime,

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Speaker 8: True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

839
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

840
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in and we know there

841
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: is nothing more significant to discussing the Epstein files. Then

842
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: with another Epstein survivor, Hallie Robson, she's been with us before.

843
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: I feel like it.

844
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Was just yesterday that you were here, but I know

845
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: it was several months ago, and man has so much

846
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: changed even in the short time since you were with

847
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Speaker 2: us last. We're so glad that you're here, such a

848
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: monumental time. We've been rooting for you from the distance,

849
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Speaker 2: So welcome back and thank you for coming tonight.

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Speaker 3: Courtney was going to do a little setup about your

851
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: backstory a bit.

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00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, So just catching everyone very quickly up to speed

853
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 8: if you have not been glued to the news. So

854
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 8: Congress has begun reviewing unredacted Jeffrey Epstein files, So that

855
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 8: is happening at the same time as sex trafficker Gilaine

856
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 8: Maxwell gave a virtual deposition before the House Oversight Committee,

857
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Speaker 8: now Gileaen Maxwell. Well, she was convicted in twenty twenty

858
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Speaker 8: one for sex trafficking and other crimes, and she invoked

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Speaker 8: her Fifth Amendment right to silence during this oversight. This

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Speaker 8: deposition she was supposed to give, but while invoking her

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Speaker 8: Fifth Amendment to remain silent, she said, however, that she

862
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 8: could clear President Trump's name if granted clemency, and that

863
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 8: she could also clear president former president Clinton's name. So

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Speaker 8: there's that on the table, which is head scratching to

865
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 8: us all and maddening. And then so to take on

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Speaker 8: the recent developments, we are joined by Hailey Robson. She

867
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 8: is a survivor of Jeffrey Ebstein. Haley Robson is also

868
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Speaker 8: an advocate working to expose trafficking networks and supporting victims,

869
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Speaker 8: and Haley has spoken publicly about her experience, including here,

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00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 8: the intimidation that followed, and her mission now is pushing

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Speaker 8: transparency and account ability, which you need more than ever.

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Speaker 3: Haley, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, Hailey.

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Speaker 7: I am so excited to be back. It has definitely

875
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Speaker 7: been a journey and there has been, oh my gosh,

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00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 7: so many developments. I can't even on a daily basis

877
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 7: keep up. It's like a full time job to be

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00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 7: updated everything.

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00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: Second, it's overwhelming.

880
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 7: It's like you, oh, yeah, it's a lot, and you're

881
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 7: seeing it. Everything that I am seeing that's unfolding before

882
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 7: my eyes. It's the same as what the public is seeing.

883
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 7: Like I didn't get a heads up, I didn't get

884
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 7: a phone call, I didn't get a heyyo. Today this

885
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 7: is what's dropping. I'm literally accessing this information and processing

886
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 7: it at the same speed and the same time you

887
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 7: guys are with no informal hint or clue of what's

888
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 7: going to be in those files. So you can imagine

889
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 7: all the conspiracies from the last ten years of like

890
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 7: rape and cannibalism and trapping kids and the adrenochrome and

891
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 7: all those conspiracies that we've heard over the last ten years,

892
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 7: suddenly don't seem like conspiracies anymore.

893
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: Is that even as are we in that territory at

894
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: this point that we are, this is what we are

895
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: really discussing, right, It's that dark.

896
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: It's not I can't believe it.

897
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: I can know, I am, I do, but I'm just

898
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: really sorry on behalf of I don't know, and behalf

899
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: of humanity. Everything you've been through and humanity. We are

900
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: better than this, we know better than this, and that

901
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: should not have happened to you.

902
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, thank you. Thankfully we've we've gotten a little

903
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 7: bit of progress. I mean, you know, it's without Rocanna

904
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 7: or Thomas Massey, this wouldn't have been plausible. But I'll

905
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 7: tell you, man, they really fight for the survivors and

906
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 7: they really care and it's very genuine when you meet them.

907
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 7: And I was at I was at CNN and I

908
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 7: ran into Thomas Massey like after the Capitol, and I

909
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 7: pulled them aside and like I was just so grateful,

910
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 7: Like he started tearing up, and I was like, I

911
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 7: don't think you understand. Like so many good guys are

912
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 7: out there, but they're also being silenced, they are out

913
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 7: of ear, and yeah, so it makes it really hard

914
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 7: for good men to like stand up for women in

915
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 7: all situations. It's terrible.

916
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've put their lives on the line. And I

917
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: got to tell you there's not been a single conversation

918
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 2: that I haven't been in in the last few days

919
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: with any man on the street, in the store, at work.

920
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter all walks. Nobody will stand for this.

921
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 2: It is like you got some back up and very good.

922
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 7: We need it, yes, oh lord, yeah, yeah, So I'm

923
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 7: seeing everything just as you guys are.

924
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: Right.

925
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 5: Maybe for listeners who are just maybe learning about you, Hailey,

926
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 5: because you were here a few months ago and you

927
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 5: did such a good job of explaining your story. But

928
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 5: maybe for listeners, maybe we can how are like, who

929
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 5: are you and how are.

930
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: You connected to all this? Like tell us about tell

931
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: us about Haley.

932
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 8: So.

933
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 7: I was a sixteen year old high school athlete in

934
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 7: West Palm Beach, Florida, and I was going to go

935
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 7: to college. I did equestrian and when I turned sixteen,

936
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 7: I met a friend. They recruited me alongside Tony Figueroa,

937
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 7: and they took me to Jeffrey Epstein's house and basically

938
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 7: what was done to me was not what was agreed.

939
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 7: Initially it was just supposed to be a massage, and

940
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 7: then when I got into the room, I was sexually

941
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 7: abused for a whole hour, and then coheerse and threatened

942
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 7: that I would have to bring him girls or he

943
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 7: would sexually abuse me every day. And it got really,

944
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 7: really really dark for a really long time, and I

945
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 7: finally left after two years. When I turned eighteen, I

946
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 7: was legally allowed to be an adult, and I moved.

947
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 7: I got out of West Palm Beach, Thank goodness, yeah.

948
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 3: Thank god.

949
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: And that's what people don't realize too. You know, it's

950
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 2: a conditioning. It's conditioning. You know, that's many young girl's life. Yeah,

951
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, then you start to play games with yourself.

952
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I did really maybe I did want this. Maybe

953
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: this is choice, Maybe this is not grooming, maybe not

954
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: being groomed in the mind tricks, And then you know what,

955
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: maybe if I had a sip of alcohol, maybe some drugs,

956
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 2: that'll make this feel better. And then the self medication begins,

957
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: and that psychic is very real and is so harrowing,

958
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm so glad you're on the other

959
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: side of it.

960
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 7: Well, thank you. Yeah, it's it's and then you know,

961
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 7: and then to have to be so public about everything,

962
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 7: and you're going through this in the media, and you're

963
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 7: looking back on all these things and you're like, oh

964
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 7: my gosh, they were eating babies. Adrenochrome is real, Like

965
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 7: all of this is really in the files, Like this

966
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 7: cannot be what's in the file. It's so unbelievable and

967
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 7: so vile and evil and just the absence of anything

968
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 7: good that it becomes like you just can't you can't

969
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 7: even you can't, you can't relate to it at all.

970
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: So I think that's collectively what we're all kind of experiencing.

971
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: Like we were just saying this before we came, even

972
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: on the air, and even during the break, I'm I'm

973
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: obsessed with justice for you and for anybody who's been

974
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: caught in this mess has been just laid on your lap.

975
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: I feel like for you know, the rest of us

976
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: who have been watching you guys fight, it's like you

977
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: cann't see it, you know. So now there's we're all

978
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: kind of so invested in justice at this point, and

979
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: some of the things that we're seeing are so unimaginable.

980
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: So is that where we're going? What is your assessment.

981
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 2: What is your just basic assessment.

982
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 7: We're getting really dark and we're getting really deep, and

983
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 7: at this point it feels to me that the only

984
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 7: thing is that's going to help us is the other

985
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 7: governments and the other countries that are now stepping in

986
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 7: and doing their own investigations into the Epstein files. It's

987
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 7: going to take more help because it is so dark,

988
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 7: and it is so deep, and just everything is just

989
00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 7: a mess. They purposely are just globs of information in

990
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 7: large batches, half redacted, half not leak, leaking personal information

991
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 7: about the victims, addresses, phone numbers. I mean, jesez, you

992
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 7: want my blood type need photos. There were photos of

993
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 7: some of us that were under age, that were naked,

994
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 7: and those got leaked. We got It's so beyond that.

995
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 7: It's getting raped by the justice system all over again.

996
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: But this to mention, the Department of Justice should be

997
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: a little buttoned up to write like how messy in

998
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: other areas is this too?

999
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 7: I just feel like all the survivors should just do

1000
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 7: the damn redactions and unredactions ourselves, because I just feel

1001
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 7: like nobody is going to know what we want and

1002
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 7: not want to be public.

1003
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: Me.

1004
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 7: I'm an open door. I don't care it is, you know, Yeah,

1005
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 7: I don't have a reason not to be. I'm not

1006
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 7: a liar. Everything I've said is real. It's in there.

1007
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 7: I'm still waiting for the rest of the files to

1008
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 7: come out so I can be vindicated on a few

1009
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 7: more things. But I know they're in there because Bloomberg

1010
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 7: they got leaked information and they called me when I

1011
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 7: was or texted me when I was in New York

1012
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 7: City doing a PSA and they were like, oh, well,

1013
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 7: we got leaked emails and X, Y and Z is

1014
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 7: in these emails. Is there anything you want me to

1015
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 7: look for? And I said, yeah, I have a person

1016
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 7: that was murdered when I left Jeffrey. It was my

1017
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 7: boyfriend at the time. This is his name. If you

1018
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 7: see it correlated in those files or associated with me

1019
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 7: on any level, I want you to call me immediately, please,

1020
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 7: so I can give closure to his family. We can

1021
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 7: move on. And like, I'm so dumbfounded by just the

1022
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 7: amount of incompetence all the way through. And these are

1023
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 7: actual things that may or may not be in the files,

1024
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 7: And the only way that we're going to know for

1025
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 7: sure if these things are in the files is if

1026
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 7: you're transparent, but I feel like the way they've been

1027
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 7: releasing the information has been so deliberate to confuse, to

1028
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 7: create chaos. Like I just it's really an act of

1029
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 7: war on every assault survivor who have come forward publicly.

1030
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 7: That's what it's like.

1031
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: Wow, it's almost going to require the rage of every

1032
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: victim of assaults of any kind to come together and

1033
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: have that be used for good, because yeah, it is

1034
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: crazy making. And I can't help but assume that either

1035
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: one the Department of Justice is messy and lacks an

1036
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: attention to detail, which on its nose can't be good,

1037
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: or the reverse is even scarier. I don't know which

1038
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: is worse. That they're clever and tricky, and this is

1039
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: all part of the pattern, telling us to look here,

1040
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: look at that. Here's some messiness. Oh you didn't want

1041
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: you thought you wanted more documents.

1042
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: Here they are.

1043
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: Here's some naked ones, you know, to add fuel to

1044
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: the confusion. I don't know, but I feel like we

1045
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: need to find some answers. And what does accountability look

1046
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: like to you?

1047
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 7: Listen? I started this like eight to ten years ago

1048
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 7: with just me and my therapist, and my goal was

1049
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 7: I said to her. If I can just reach one girl,

1050
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 7: one sixteen year old girl who was in the same

1051
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 7: position that I was in, if I can somehow reach

1052
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 7: her and change her life, then I'm good. That's one.

1053
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 7: That's one mark for me, you know what I mean.

1054
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 7: That's like my ticket to heaven.

1055
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1056
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 7: But I started getting just more ballsier honestly, and just

1057
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 7: more brazen and so more more transparent and more honest

1058
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 7: because I wanted people to know what really transpired and

1059
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 7: what trafficking real we does look like it for right, Yeah,

1060
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 7: And it's not locked up in handcuff handcuffs and thrown

1061
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 7: in a cellar or hold that gunpoint, or or shipping containers.

1062
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 7: This is present day trafficking and they're doing tactics through

1063
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 7: grooming their victims.

1064
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 5: Haley, I want to tell you anything. I want to

1065
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 5: tell you something. I've been doing true crime for a

1066
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 5: really long time. This is Bobby by the way, and

1067
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 5: I was talking in the commercial and I was talking

1068
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 5: about how I've learned so much on the show. And

1069
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 5: I can tell you one thing for sure. You definitely

1070
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 5: have reached at least one girl, at least one, because

1071
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 5: you totally changed what I thought trafficking was right, I

1072
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 5: was totally mistaken. It's not the girls in the handcuffs

1073
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 5: and the shipping containers. It's not necessarily girls from terrible

1074
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 5: broken homes. It's any kind of home it can come from.

1075
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 5: I didn't have any idea until you, Hailey. I'm telling

1076
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 5: you right now, you definitely have can impact on at

1077
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 5: least one girl, at least make it.

1078
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: A double, make it a double.

1079
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 5: Yeah really really, I'm not even blowing smoke. I swear no,

1080
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 5: it's no.

1081
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: It's so helpful to hear because I don't think we

1082
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: can necessarily spot things in our own world so easily either.

1083
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: And I think we can all imagine ourselves at that

1084
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: exact same age, at sixteen years old, and the you know,

1085
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: the many decisions that get made at that age, right.

1086
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 5: I definitely would have been trafficked, Like I absolutely would

1087
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 5: have been, Haley a hundred percent, not knowing like oh okay, yeah,

1088
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 5: I'll go to this rich guy's house massage for two

1089
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 5: hundred bucks or whatever.

1090
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely I'll do that. I mean, you're sixteen, you do

1091
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: stupid things all the.

1092
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: Time, and little now you know, and now decades of

1093
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Speaker 2: your life get eaten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but in hindsight, I never imagined. I'm I've I've

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Speaker 7: I've done. I've done Ukraine, Germany, Italy, Norway, Denmark, Sweden

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Speaker 7: and Britain. And I've only been doing this for eight

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 7: years and I've already been done like so many countries.

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Speaker 7: And this is why we have to keep talking about it,

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Speaker 7: because it doesn't just happen in America. It happens across the.

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Speaker 8: World, absolutely, And Haley, we actually that's exactly want to

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Speaker 8: start talking about a little further. After the break, we'll

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Speaker 8: be back with Haley robson True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in and we have a

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Speaker 2: very special guest survivor of Epstein. On this pretty prolific day.

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Speaker 3: We have Halle robson with us again.

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Speaker 2: So I don't even know where to begin, So court

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Courtney decide, because Okay, she's in charge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Haley really quickly.

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Speaker 8: There are so many things we could get into, but

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Speaker 8: one thing that we wanted to ask you specifically about

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Speaker 8: was Gelaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: And for anyone who's just joining us.

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Speaker 8: Gilaine Maxwell is a key accomplice to Jeffrey Epstein. She

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Speaker 8: is a convicted sex offender, and she pled the fifth

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Speaker 8: in a virtual deposition before the House Oversight Committee today,

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Speaker 8: Hailey robson.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts information the fifth?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I kind of I expected her to

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Speaker 7: do what she's been doing, which is just keep deflecting

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Speaker 7: and lying. Honestly, I was a little surprised that she

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden switched to the plea the fifth,

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 7: because I'm like, well, what was the point of all

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Speaker 7: this if why did you want to do this to

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01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 7: why what was the point of you asking to have

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Speaker 7: a meeting with Congress and to testify? To turn around

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Speaker 7: in just an hour of the court's time, you're just

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01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 7: gonna plead the whole fit, just say you're not ready

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01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 7: to talk and you're not going to please, so we

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Speaker 7: can move on. Like she bothers me on another level,

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01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 7: Like I am so her face irritates me on another level,

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Speaker 7: And honestly, I did an interview today and I let

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Speaker 7: her have it in the most eloquent way I knew how,

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Speaker 7: And I had to remind her that her and Jeffrey

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01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 7: were not, you know, physically together except one time because

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Speaker 7: allegedly he had like a health issue or whatever issue,

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01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 7: heart issue, And I had to be the one to

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 7: remind her, no, honey, you were procuring children for him

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01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 7: to rape and abuse. That's why he didn't want to

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 7: sleep with you, because he was raping us. Like, I

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 7: had to be the one to break it down to her,

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 7: because she just like is the most grotesque person in

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Speaker 7: the whole world, Like, I'm surprised she's honestly.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's discuss that, because frankly I am as well.

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: And seeing her so flippant in that khaki outfit today,

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: sitting before Congress, to your point, wasting some very valuable

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01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: time from very smart people who have other places to be,

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01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: and then to find out that she's looking to swap

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Speaker 2: for her freedom, that tracks right, And why should we

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01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: believe her now she's been lying this entire time. She

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01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: said there was nothing in these files in the first place,

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01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: everybody said there was nothing in these files.

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Speaker 3: Turns out there's a lot of things in these files,

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01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: like them a lot. Yeah, too much.

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Speaker 2: Actually, we want to give some of these files back

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Speaker 2: at this point, and it's horrifying.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is. It's really it's I. Every day I

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 7: wake up and it's like I have something new to process,

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01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 7: and half the time I just shut down because I can't.

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Speaker 7: I honestly haven't even been reading the files. I have

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01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 7: my so, my sole sister, survivor's sister. Anytime I need

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Speaker 7: her to look in the files, I ask her, this

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01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 7: is what I need you to find, and then she'll

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 7: call me and either she found it or she didn't.

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Speaker 7: But I try not to read it. It's not good

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01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 7: for the mental it's not good for the psyche. Society

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 7: is literally normalizing it now because they're becoming so desensitized.

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Speaker 7: It's just not good.

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Speaker 2: That's so true, and I'm so glad to hear you

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Speaker 2: say that, because I couldn't agree possibly more. Just before

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Speaker 2: we were coming on the air, you had said that

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Speaker 2: you received a text just now with some breaking information

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Speaker 2: from the one and only.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say it unless I'm allowed to

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Speaker 3: say it.

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Speaker 7: Well, it wasn't a text. I went on social media

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Speaker 7: and Thomas Matthey had uploaded there were several videos going

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Speaker 7: around my news feed, and I clicked on the one

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Speaker 7: with Thomas Massey and it was him and Rocanna and

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 7: for the latest update, Thomas Massey says that he received

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Speaker 7: a thumb drive last night for the rest of the

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Speaker 7: Epstein file. He claims that there are six men that

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Speaker 7: have been redacted from the files and should never have

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Speaker 7: been redacted. They should have been left out for public scrutiny.

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Speaker 7: And he followed it up with there are some very,

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01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 7: very very disturbing things and a lot of powerful people,

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Speaker 7: more than we know that are in these files, and

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Speaker 7: that our governments would collapse.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 7: So which is kind of what I've been speculating this

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Speaker 7: whole time. So you know, I'm gonna say this, I'm

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01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 7: not an idiot. All those times that I was in Washington,

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Speaker 7: d C. I paid attention to who Trump had in

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Speaker 7: the White House. I'm very well of who the enemies are,

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01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 7: I know, and I'm very intuitive with that. And some

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Speaker 7: of those two people just happen to come out in

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Speaker 7: the files, you know what I mean. Like it's you.

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Speaker 7: You have to look out for yourself these days and

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 7: your kids. It could happen to anybody, and it's unfortunate

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01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 7: that our government is so complicit in this cover up.

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 7: But we have to educate the parents and let them

1204
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 7: know like this is this is why transparency matters, This

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 7: is why you know matters, accountability matters.

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Speaker 3: What are we doing about?

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Speaker 2: You know? So there's a couple of things that are

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01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: points of interest for me that I were flagging internally.

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Speaker 3: The school books? Is that real?

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Speaker 2: Mcraw the school books that we've all been raised on

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01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 2: was also owned Maxwell's.

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Speaker 3: Yes, father, Robert, Yeah, yeah, that is absolute.

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Speaker 7: So let's get to a let's get to a few

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01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 7: conspiracy theories because I love this. Yeah, it is true

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01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 7: that Robert Maxwell bought the books that happened to appear

1216
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 7: the company that happens to appear to do the curriculum

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 7: for public schools. That is correct, McGraw hill, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 7: McGraw hill. Also, the lifetime pictures that your child gets

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Speaker 7: taken at school for school pictures, that person is in

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Speaker 7: the Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: So think about that, every single school photo of every

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Speaker 2: public school kid in this country are as included and

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Speaker 2: ourselves likely included at some point.

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Speaker 3: Going to s. This is all a part of a

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: larger thing.

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Speaker 7: So how government would crash?

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what does that mean? So you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't I'm not equipped to have the answer. I

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: almost feel like how do we have a productive follow up.

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01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is, but think about

1231
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 2: the scope of what we're talking about at this point.

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Speaker 5: This scope is Black is involved with the McGraw hill book, right,

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Speaker 5: He's also invested in that.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, God is correct.

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Speaker 2: And let's remember all these twenty three and ME tests

1236
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: that are all over the Why is Jeffrey Epstein forever

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01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: sending twenty three in me DNA tests all over the globe?

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Speaker 2: Did geneva to hear to there? Why are traits? They're

1239
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: looking for traits?

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, they're looking for trades.

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 7: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what the hell

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01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 7: that was about. Like I said, I'm like literally finding

1243
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 7: all this out at the same time the public is.

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 7: I mean, I was really disturbed about Zoro Ranch. I

1245
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 7: think that is horrendous what they claim takes place there

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 7: or took place there, just with like the laboratory and

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01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 7: you know, women waking up like thinking that they were

1248
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Speaker 7: like their eggs were taking from I don't know, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 7: and those are the things that I'm just like, I

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 7: don't even know if I can even get into that

1251
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 7: because I don't even know. I can't even fathom something

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01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 7: like that. Like I can't even wrap my head around

1253
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 7: to process that that could even be slightly true. And

1254
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 7: yet here it is in a government document from the

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Speaker 7: government on public display, and I'm like, I just can't

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01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 7: even I mean, it's a miracle that we're still here. Yeah,

1257
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 7: it's a miracle that the survivors that are still here

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01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 7: are still here.

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Speaker 8: Really, because it really is, considering how high up every

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Speaker 8: point indicates that it is.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 5: Well, and then, like Adam just told me, the Zoro

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 5: Ranch too, is still the only property that has not

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Speaker 5: been rated by the authorities.

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Speaker 3: No, they haven't even checked checked the ranch.

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: And remember we were talking about this because of the

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01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: Native American connection that we thought we could connect to

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01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: the New Mexico ranch. That's why I feel like their

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: girl girls are being pulled from all over the world

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01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: and circulated for either amusement or sacrifice. If this is true,

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01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this is so next level. But again, we

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 2: have to all collectively hear information and not let it

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01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: like shut our systems down. I feel like, yeah, but

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: we don't want that to be the case. So just

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01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: like you know, we're saying, and like Eve and Haley

1276
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: is saying like she's protecting her energy also by not

1277
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: going too down.

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 3: The rabbit hole because it is almost too dark.

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 4: It's too dark, it's too overwhelming.

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: Is and actually, Haley.

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01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 8: If you're willing, there's someone a listener who actually left

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01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 8: to talk back specifically for you.

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 3: Can we play it and then have you respond?

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 7: Sure?

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01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 3: Hello, ladies with Haley, how does she?

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01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 13: What are her tools for staying strong, for not letting

1287
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 13: things retraumatize her?

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: Great question, such a productive question, that is.

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 7: A really good question. Well, unfortunately, I feel retraumatized every day, unfortunately,

1290
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 7: because it's just I feel like I'm that Disney World

1291
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 7: and I'm on the ride. It's just a small eyed

1292
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 7: after all the teacups. But I honestly I go to

1293
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 7: the gym, I work out, I go to therapy once

1294
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 7: a week, sometimes twice a week if I need it.

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 7: I have a lot of supportive friends, a lot of

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 7: lot of love. Yeah, And I have good people around me.

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 7: I have really great attorneys, I have a really good

1298
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 7: head on my shoulder. And even with all of this,

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01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 7: I'm working a full time job. So yeah, I think

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01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 7: I think you have to in order to be strong,

1301
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 7: you have to understand that this is on a massive

1302
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 7: level going to affect the country one way or another,

1303
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 7: and you just have to let go and.

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01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: Just let see that fall.

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 7: Yeah. We just this is going to be the thing

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 7: that changes our nation. And I've learned to just accept

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Speaker 7: that this is the probably worst outcome. But at the

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Speaker 7: end of the day, you have to keep going no

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Speaker 7: matter how bad it gets. The minute you stop, you fold.

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Speaker 7: You just have to get up every day and just

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Speaker 7: remember who you are and just say it's just one

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Speaker 7: more day and and and not get over anxious about

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Speaker 7: what tomorrow is going to bring, you know what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'd be surprised, you know, the retrigger question

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Speaker 2: is such an important one because you'd be surprised how

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Speaker 2: many people are being.

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Speaker 3: Retriggered collectively right now.

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Speaker 2: All I mean, it's raise your hand if you're being triggered,

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Speaker 2: right So that's also something that we all have to

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Speaker 2: be mindful of with each other, and grace that we're giving.

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Speaker 2: Just we have to really like lead with our hearts

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Speaker 2: right now, because I think that's also by design. They

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Speaker 2: you know, whatever this at B is wants us confused

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Speaker 2: and divided, work enraged and re traumatized.

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Speaker 7: Perfect, Yeah, yeah, that's basically it.

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Speaker 2: Easy therefore to manipulate. You know, it's another version of grooming.

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Speaker 2: We're now being collectively groomed, which is weird to say

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Speaker 2: out loud.

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Speaker 7: I thought though, because society is society right what they're

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Speaker 7: doing right now. And I don't know if anybody's understanding this.

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Speaker 7: The are conditioning and grooming us to accept pedophelia and

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Speaker 7: child sex. And I don't know if anybody else like

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Speaker 7: sees the same thing I'm seeing. But like Megan Kelly,

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Speaker 7: Nick Fuent has these different influencers that are going out

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Speaker 7: talking about ages when it comes to consent. And for me,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't matter if you're five, if you're fifteen and

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Speaker 7: a teenager, honey is still a freaking child and a minor.

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Speaker 7: And I'm so sick of certain people trying to play

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Speaker 7: that card. Well they're not five years old. Okay, you

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Speaker 7: know what, It doesn't make it any better, it doesn't

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Speaker 7: make it any worse. It's still trauma, it's still horrific.

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Speaker 2: It's still a non consenting human. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: We were just saying this a week ago that it

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Speaker 2: even seems like the cases that we're covering and we're

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Speaker 2: a true crime show.

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Speaker 3: All of them are about pedophilia.

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 2: Suddenly, it's like we're being even fed more stories so

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Speaker 2: that we're all a little like used to it.

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Speaker 3: Whereas you're about to.

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Speaker 2: Catch a predator dude, and you'd be like, no, no,

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Speaker 2: that guy is not allowed in the club. The predator

1352
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: dude is we can all agree on that is not okay.

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 2: So we have to remember that even as we're getting

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01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: this information and droves. It's so destabilizing for all of us.

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Speaker 2: And I can only imagine how if someone's been in

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Speaker 2: your situation, specifically Haley or anyone who's listening, don't we

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01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 2: can't crumble this.

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Speaker 3: His shoulders back.

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Speaker 7: The shoulders back when you when you, when you become destabilized,

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Speaker 7: you become easy to control.

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Speaker 3: Don't ever exactly, that's the grooming process. Let's separate bottle that.

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Speaker 3: Yep mm hm.

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Speaker 2: So you know, keep that in mind, you know, as

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Speaker 2: we sort of forage through this stuff.

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Speaker 4: It's so important to remember that.

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Speaker 5: I was kind of sitting with my hands in my

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01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 5: head now and steph you said sit up with your

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Speaker 5: shoulders back, and I immediately was like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Doing, we're not gonna put her hands.

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Speaker 4: Down Live on the air, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we.

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Speaker 2: Have to like really be mindful that we're not just

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01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: all getting like it down and sad and mad and

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Speaker 2: have that all just be like stuck in these we

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Speaker 2: have to remember.

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Speaker 7: And you know what I mean, you gotta be you

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01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 7: gotta unplug, You gotta unplug sometimes like I you know,

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Speaker 7: my dad just passed away this number fifth he uh listen,

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Speaker 7: it was it was not expected, but I had two

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Speaker 7: and a half months with him before he passed. He

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01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 7: had brain cancer, he had glioblastoma. In the midst of

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Speaker 7: all of this that's happening right now. But you know what,

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01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 7: it put things in perspective for me because my dad

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01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 7: got to watch me in a different A lot of

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Speaker 7: it was a cop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wasn't he a police officer? If I remember correct.

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Speaker 7: Yes he was. And he got to see me in

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01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 7: different in different like parts of my life and different roles,

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Speaker 7: and you know, it goes to put things in perspective

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Speaker 7: for sure.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you for putting all of this in perspective.

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01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 8: I think, Hilly Robson, you're maybe the only person on

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Speaker 8: this planet who could have helped us tonight navigate what

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01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 8: we did and listen. Everyone should go and learn more

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Speaker 8: about Haley's work at the survivors Ink dot org.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here at True Front Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight an iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm stuff here with Courtney

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: and body and man, it's heavy stuff. We want to

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01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 2: just make sure first of all, Hilly Robson, we just

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01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: high fives.

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01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: High fives.

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01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 2: The strength, the bravery, the dignity, the integrity, going back

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: taking names she is.

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 3: Taking behalf of all yeah, big stuff.

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01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, the composure, the compassion, the change that she is igniting,

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01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 8: and the really smart way that she even laid out

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01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 8: of doing it.

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01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,799
Speaker 3: Of when she laid out she has a support system.

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 8: She actually turns stuff off every time in an effort

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01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 8: to protect herself as a way to stay productive and proactive.

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01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 3: And you know she certainly does that.

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01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 8: And if anyone's interested in supporting Hailey Robson as well

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 8: as all the other survivors continue to apply pressure to

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01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 8: political representatives, you can demand transparency and also absolutely worth

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01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 8: going to. You can learn more about Hailey Robson's work

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01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 8: at the Survivors Inc Dot org. There's tons of great

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01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 8: information and Haley, if you're still listening, we thank you

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01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 8: again for going on and navigating this night with us.

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01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: You know one thing I can say too, So everything

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01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: is survivable. Everything is survivable, nobody has to be left behind,

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: and you are not alone basics. I don't know a

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01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: lot of things. I just know that I know that

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: we are able to get through anything. So she's a

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01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 2: perfect example. The problem with a lot of this type

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01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: of stuff we're hearing about, sex trafficking. It all sounds

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01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: so big and far away, and it's right under our nose,

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01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: and specifically sexual abuse. Sometimes that goes on for so

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01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 2: long in silence, right, So yes, you know, I guess

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01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: it's time to get loud. So thank you again, Haley

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01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 2: for being with us.

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01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: What do we think? How about a talk back?

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01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 7: Guys?

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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 3: Got some ready?

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01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 7: Hi?

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Speaker 14: True Crime tonight. This is Marta from Iowa and I

1437
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 14: was listening to your Super Bowl Sunday episode and you

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01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 14: mentioned that you wanted people to call leave their opinions,

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01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 14: And my opinion is that you guys are amazing. You're

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01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 14: my absolute favorite podcast to listen to. I don't even

1441
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 14: like weekends anymore because you guys aren't there, and I

1442
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 14: missed you so much. I like that you for all

1443
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 14: that you do and bring to us.

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01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: Central. Okay, I immediately am filled with a smile.

1445
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 2: I'm impressionable you guys.

1446
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 5: I was literally shutting down and that that I know.

1447
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: It was a compliment.

1448
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 4: All I needed was I was pretty. That's all I needed.

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01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: Right, you're a little man.

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01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 8: A well timed, well time piece of goodwill goes a

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01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 8: long way.

1452
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: And we really did the trick. Look at everybody smiles.

1453
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 9: Where should be But we're still strong and vigilant.

1454
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 5: I started this episode being like, now I'm happy again.

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01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 3: No, I'll just be happy. We got to stay of

1456
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: sound mind. And yeah, by the way, this wag we're

1457
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 3: oh yeah we oh yeah. Was in a hussy today.

1458
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 3: He was all riled up. He had a little.

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01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: Speech she was going to make, apparently speech. Yeah, yeah,

1460
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: we've all gone rogue. Let's get back to the Shenanigans.

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 5: It was like I wrote a speech well, because you

1462
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 5: know he was going to rules.

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Speaker 9: I don't think my feet as quick as fast as

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01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 9: the three of you, so sometimes I have to have

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Speaker 9: my facts.

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Speaker 3: There, so I think about fact sheet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, he was going to give

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 2: a fact sheet before he gives it to us. First

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01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: of all, we told him he had to rhyme before.

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Speaker 3: He could do it. One yeah or you can it.

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Speaker 2: But basically we've gotten so many requests for sweatshirts that

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Speaker 2: I was like, we can't possibly do this. We can't

1473
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: keep up with all the with all the opinions. And

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 2: I was like, worst we can. So we had twenty

1475
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 2: four hours of full on sweatshirt mania, and Julie noted,

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 2: awesome job, everybody, good job, and Ta had a perfect

1477
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: example of just some of you are calling back multiple

1478
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 2: times and like, well, trying to change your voice, but

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01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: to do.

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01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 9: That, they're trying to get several I think what's what's

1481
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 9: happening is some people, you know, don't think we're getting

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01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 9: their first message, they're leaving several. So I just wanted

1483
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 9: to let people know that we love the idea of

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01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,879
Speaker 9: leaving an opinion. That's our favorite. Give us an opinion,

1485
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 9: that's a great way of doing it, and we will

1486
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 9: be in touch with you because we actually when you

1487
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 9: leave a talk back, it shows your email address and

1488
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 9: it shows your phone numbers, so we can oh, does

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01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 9: it really Yeah, it shows, So it's it's the magic

1490
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 9: of iHeartRadio, so they can actually see that info for us.

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Speaker 3: So we're good with that.

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01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 9: But I have an example of what I think is

1493
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 9: the perfect kind of opinion talk back.

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Speaker 3: That the last one, Well, here's one last one.

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01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 9: I bet you were like this one just as much

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Speaker 9: because it's our friend Emily Emily in Boston.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not my girl, that one.

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Speaker 3: Ready bring a number one.

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Speaker 13: Epstein was murdered because he was gonna snitch. Number two

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Speaker 13: Karen Read was innocent. One hundred railroaded. Number three Steff

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Speaker 13: is the most positive person that I've ever come into

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01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 13: contact with. Number four The Alexander brothers are losers and

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Speaker 13: they're guilty.

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Speaker 3: These are my opinions. Let's not forget. Let's see another one.

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01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 3: Body's right.

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Speaker 13: Ice agents need more dreaming because their cycle. Emily, Emily,

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Speaker 13: you're listen.

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Speaker 8: If you had a sand their wagon, I would jump

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01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 8: up on it. Couldn't agree my most wholeheartedly with everything

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Speaker 8: you had to say. And bs the Karen Reid, I

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Speaker 8: literally had both hands in the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who needed to just bring up a little Karen

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Speaker 2: Reid to get you out of your get me riled

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Speaker 2: up that way?

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Speaker 8: I was railroaded. Yes, that was a travesty of justice.

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Speaker 8: In my opinion, that whole trial worked out.

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Speaker 3: It worked out, both hands in the air.

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Speaker 5: Just Courtney's pretty like mellow. She's like kind of a

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01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 5: pompous like when things when I'm like shutting down, I

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01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 5: looked at Courtney because she's like the stable ship in

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Speaker 5: the sea.

1522
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 3: Right, She's like me a mess.

1523
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 4: When she said Karen read was real, Courtney jumped.

1524
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 3: Up, jumping down.

1525
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 4: That was like a big, huge reaction on the Karen

1526
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 4: read of it all.

1527
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 5: I think Emily is going to be getting the sweatshirts.

1528
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: A mug also, honestly, yeah, that was lots of fun,

1529
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 2: right job and get stitches.

1530
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 9: Okay, Emily is raising the bar high. So but that's

1531
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 9: an example of I think, you know, give us some

1532
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 9: good opinions that we can you know, to the bat

1533
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 9: and talk.

1534
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 3: About here's why.

1535
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is the whole point is, by the way,

1536
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: we've done so much talking about algorithms that now I'm

1537
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: pretty convince that my algorithm is just feeding back to

1538
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: me the same information. So we have to be very

1539
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: careful that I want to make sure that we're getting

1540
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: all of we're getting true.

1541
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 3: Three sixty opinions of yeah, even.

1542
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: If right and we agree with right of course, that

1543
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: point like how to grow and share in the spirit

1544
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: of sharing, not in convincing. We're not like looking to

1545
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 2: debate all day. It's just in sharing, like sharing your perspective,

1546
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 2: your opinion. They matter, and I think only there can

1547
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: we grow and they don't have to be like ours.

1548
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: Of course not we can discuss it. I don't think

1549
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: it needs to be.

1550
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 4: You know, any of us are like so dead set

1551
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 4: on our opinion about something now, not willing to consider

1552
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 4: other factors.

1553
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: Right, of course, our opinions come from our experiences. That's

1554
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 2: the whole point, right.

1555
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 8: Although, Stephanie Laidecker, if you're even questioning.

1556
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: Is my algorithm feeding me?

1557
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 8: Yes, all of our and we are all on our

1558
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 8: own individual algorithm plan.

1559
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 3: That's hard at the end. What is your algorithm right now?

1560
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 7: Oh?

1561
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1562
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 8: I could not get more chickpea and tahini recipes like

1563
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 8: mine is bad.

1564
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 3: Bunny, that's fun, that is a good one. You did

1565
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 3: come in singing that way. She was ready to.

1566
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 9: Definitely facial getting facials facial But I keep getting a

1567
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 9: lot of like the police arrest videos. I don't know

1568
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 9: why I keep on some algorithms where people are like,

1569
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 9: you know, at the airports and you're under arrest and

1570
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 9: they're you know, come with me, sir. Have you seen those? Yes,

1571
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 9: the body cam stuff. I love those.

1572
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm caught up in that. And I'm getting a

1573
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 3: lot of AI stuff. But Steph, yours, Oh mine is ridiculous.

1574
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 3: Mine is like the dumbness. I'm too embarrassed almost.

1575
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 2: No, it's not the weird baking. No has got me

1576
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 2: a little weirded out. I'm not gonna lie. No, None

1577
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: of mine is about tahini or chickpeas. It's a lot

1578
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: of home improvements at the moment. It's a lot of like.

1579
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 3: And I think that's just because I'm talking.

1580
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: A lot about roofs and things like that edges a

1581
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 2: little bit of prepper stuff.

1582
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: So that's feeding my fear.

1583
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: That's my fear monger is getting is getting equally fed by.

1584
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 3: Are you prepping?

1585
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 7: Do you have?

1586
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 12: You know?

1587
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 2: I mean I have low key prepper for sure going

1588
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: on at all times, and I just think the basics

1589
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 2: and I won't go through the list again, but just

1590
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: make sure you have your document, water, cash.

1591
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 3: The biggest one is gas in your car.

1592
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 2: You don't want to let your gas tank go at

1593
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: all below seventy five percent.

1594
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 3: Whoever has the most gas will get.

1595
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: Them like a quarter of a tanker immediately.

1596
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 3: Gas. Yes, phill up tomorrow.

1597
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,839
Speaker 2: And every time you get like a you know, seventy

1598
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 2: five percent, I'm if you lose twenty five percent of

1599
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 2: your gas, you should get it filled up again. That's

1600
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 2: my bigger price. And I'll see you on the other side.

1601
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 4: Where's the other side?

1602
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: So as we can mediate the ozarks exactly, the Appalachian

1603
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: Mountains will take care of us. So anyway, Yeah, mine

1604
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: has and a lot of like positive thoughts, like affirmations

1605
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: and stuff.

1606
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I like those hope I like the hope

1607
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:32,799
Speaker 5: core stuff.

1608
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 3: I don't know if you like.

1609
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 5: It's all like inspiration, not inspirational, because sometimes that's kind

1610
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 5: of cheesy. It's more like people that have done like

1611
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 5: good deeds when they're not they don't know they're being filmed.

1612
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 3: No one's looking. Yeah, that's what I think. I like

1613
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: the world needs a lot of right now.

1614
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 2: Everybody just needs to be doing good deeds all the time, right.

1615
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 3: I love that.

1616
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 8: And actually I want to actually underline that of whenever

1617
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 8: you can catch your kid doing something good, or catch

1618
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 8: a kid or anyone, just catch them doing something good.

1619
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 8: It really it's a good thing. Oh because so often,

1620
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 8: particularly our children, why are you doing that? Why are

1621
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 8: you doing that? Catch them doing good?

1622
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: Or if you see someone call it out, Hey, I

1623
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 3: saw you do that.

1624
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: I saw that, and so true, it makes sense of it.

1625
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Buy the person behind you a coffee.

1626
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 3: I do that all the time. I bought the person

1627
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 3: behind break because she does it to me. That's the triggers.

1628
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 3: It goes.

1629
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 5: Oh well, now I got to do it to the

1630
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 5: next guy. The first time I did it, I was

1631
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 5: so mad though. I ordered like my I go to

1632
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 5: Dutch Brothers, Okay, I ordered my Regine Cocomo and it's

1633
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 5: like five thirty five.

1634
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 4: I know the price everything, And the guy bought me

1635
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 4: a coffee and I was like, get up to the

1636
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 4: window and I'm like, well, I have to buy the

1637
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 4: guy behind me a coffee. Now thirty five dollars getting

1638
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 4: me a car.

1639
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

1640
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: So he should not have allowed that to happen. If

1641
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna buy you one coffee, you don't do.

1642
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: The full order of the whole car. That was selfish

1643
01:30:58,960 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 3: of him.

1644
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: He has to buy a lot of coffees now to

1645
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: he pull out his little Karma car.

1646
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 3: That was, oh my.

1647
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 5: Gosh, well he did the right He didn't know though,

1648
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 5: he didn't know. You don't know when it's your surprise.

1649
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 3: That's that's nice.

1650
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 5: Five dollars, I was like, And then I felt like

1651
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 5: the dummy. I didn't want to be like, oh, we'll

1652
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 5: screw him. I'm not doing that because I look like

1653
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 5: an idiot to my barista, you know what I mean.

1654
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 4: So I was like, did I see every day? Oh, brothers,

1655
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 4: I'm so embarrassed.

1656
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 8: Well you made you made just like seven people's days

1657
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 8: behind them.

1658
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 3: I like the chain reaction of the coffees.

1659
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 2: I've done it for people behind me, and it has

1660
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: been done to me too.

1661
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 3: And I love it.

1662
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 2: I do too that it's like save it for like

1663
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 2: somebody else at a different situation.

1664
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 3: You just do it immediately, you do it. I did

1665
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:50,879
Speaker 3: it immediately.

1666
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1667
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 3: I was like, naked, do the double chain.

1668
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 4: We're doing the chain?

1669
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 3: Is that happened?

1670
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 9: Pointed out to the person, Okay, we're doing it chain

1671
01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 9: now you just.

1672
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 5: Just just I'm paying for the coffee behind me, and

1673
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 5: he goes, okay, it's thirty five dollars and I didn't

1674
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 5: want to be like, oh, well forget it, you know,

1675
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 5: because I've already said I've committed, I'm going.

1676
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 3: To do it.

1677
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 2: So that would have been awesome though, And then like

1678
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Greg Kianis shows up, like what would you do?

1679
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that would be would be like deadline.

1680
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 3: Christ body refuse the price, you know, like.

1681
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 6: Star stingy in the dry.

1682
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:35,839
Speaker 4: She likes to solve crimes, just justice.

1683
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 3: Just screw everybody overbody.

1684
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, So silly about all the.

1685
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Like she's been making whistles. Can I say this?

1686
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 2: It's so that's wonderful she's been We're always asking about

1687
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 2: the damn three D printer like she's been making. Uh,

1688
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,879
Speaker 2: she's been making whistles on the three D printer, hundreds

1689
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: of them and sending them to Papolis, thousands of them.

1690
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, where are you finding the time? She works

1691
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 2: like twenty hours a day. I do, I do, I

1692
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 2: work our hero. No, I just you know, it's amazing.

1693
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 3: If we were doing a hero segment.

1694
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 9: About I know you've got a hero right here. No,

1695
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 9: that inspired men want to do more and I just

1696
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 9: love that you're doing that. So that's yeah, we all

1697
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 9: should do those little acts of kindness as well.

1698
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 5: It's funny, you know, and it's all like public libraries

1699
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 5: and and whatnot that are requesting them.

1700
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, it is what it is. You know, if

1701
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 4: you have the opportunity to do good, you should just

1702
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 4: do it.

1703
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 14: The end.

1704
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gamed on my friends because they're also like,

1705
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 4: if something happens to one of my friends, I want

1706
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 4: them to alert the neighborhood.

1707
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 9: Very smart, very smart.

1708
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 2: All right, well, we had a full round of sweatshirts

1709
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 2: coming your way. We are no closer to knowing how

1710
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna be giving them away next except for leave

1711
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 2: your opinion and any topic, make it real, and then

1712
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 2: we'll be back tomorrow. By the way, because it's Tuesday.

1713
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 2: Who's joining us tomorrow Joseph Scott Morgan? Who is It's

1714
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: forensics on Tuesday.

1715
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 3: We'll see you then. Stay safe out there.