1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: and we here at. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Breaking points, are already thinking of ways we can up 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 2: our game for this critical election. 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 3: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 6 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Coverage that is possible. 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 3: If you like what we're all about, it just means 9 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: the absolute world to have your support. 10 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: But enough with that, Let's get to the show. All right, 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: good morning and welcome the counterpoints. 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 4: Hi. 13 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: You doing, Emily? 14 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 5: I'm doing great? How are you? Ryan? 15 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: We have an amazing show today, We really do. 16 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 5: Today. We do have you know, we say it, but 17 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 5: today we have an amazing show. 18 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 6: I was telling Snager, I need more of his kid 19 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 6: in the candy store energy in the show. 20 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 5: You need more ghost energy. 21 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: Yes, just just fired up and happy to be here. 22 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Well maybe that's more of a psychological thing though. 23 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: All right, there we go. 24 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 5: Okay, I'll enjoy in your life. 25 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: That might be it. 26 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 5: There you go, that's it. 27 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: Joy is rubbing off. 28 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 6: So we're going to talk about RFK, A lot of RFK, 29 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 6: and also people have been asking about the Friday Show. 30 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 6: Back to Friday Shows, this Friday, we're going to have 31 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 6: a debate over the kind of the role of RFK 32 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 6: in this race, in his role in the general, whether 33 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 6: or not he's going to actually be a boost to 34 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 6: Trump or not, or whether he feeds into the Democratic 35 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 6: weird meme that they're trying to wrap around Republicans. 36 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll be joined by Michael Tracy and Jeff Hotto 37 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 5: is a field director for our f K Junior's campaign, 38 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 5: for a debate about the future of URFK Junior, is 39 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 5: Trump endorsement, and all of that. So stay tuned to 40 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 5: the Friday show for that debate, but it'll come out 41 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 5: early for premium subscribers on Thursday night. We're going to 42 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 5: cover We're going to start by covering the ongoing situation 43 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 5: where Tulsea Gabbard and RFK Junior are now going to 44 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 5: be stumping for Donald Trump on the campaign trail. He's 45 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 5: sort of collecting his former Democrat Island of missfit toys 46 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 5: and sending them out. And I don't say that derisively 47 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 5: because I think we'll get into it. 48 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell the Republicans love theirs. 49 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 6: I mean the Democrats love there as they put their 50 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 6: Republicans on the stage at the convention. 51 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll be. 52 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 5: Doing some election updates. We have some interesting news about 53 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: ballot access, about Kamala Harris's fundraising numbers which are eye popping. 54 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 5: We're going to talk about the hostage release yesterday in Israel, 55 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 5: and other updates. 56 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 6: Mass massive raid by the IDF of the West Bank. 57 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 6: They currently have Janine surrounded. Bizarrely, they are calling it 58 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 6: Operation Summer Camps. 59 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: Oh, would come on? Are you serious? 60 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 5: You always also know the operation name, which I think 61 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 5: is useful. 62 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: I guess sometimes it is. Other times you're like, what 63 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: are you doing? 64 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 5: Such a window into the. 65 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: Operation Summer Camps. Come on, it's so. 66 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: Bizarre, all right. And then we'll be talking about Mark 67 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 5: Zuckerberg's kind of concession, his regrets about censoring. 68 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: Stakes were made, Mistakes were made, so we're censored. 69 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 5: Right, And that's about both COVID and the Hunter Byden 70 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: laptop story, as Zuckerberg put in a letter this week, 71 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 5: So we will be talking about that and just the 72 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 5: crazy ongoing situation with the French government and the French 73 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 5: sort of their their attempts to form actually their attempts 74 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 5: to government, and we'll tell you what Emmanuel Macron is 75 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 5: up to, because it's a doozy. 76 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 6: We were just saying that whenever your republic is called 77 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 6: the fifth Republic, that might not bode well for its longevity. 78 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 6: So we may be staring at the tail end of 79 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 6: the fifth and the beginning of the sixth, and be 80 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 6: interesting to see what do we have in the middle. 81 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 5: Well, they just stop with the whole republic thing. 82 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 6: There might be your sixth, that's true. Where's another? Are 83 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 6: there any Napoleon airs around? 84 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: There might be? 85 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 5: There might be Brian tell Us about Dan Osborne, who's 86 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 5: joining the show as a guest as well. 87 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: This is fascinating. 88 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 6: Everybody believes that control of the Senate and thus the 89 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 6: agenda for whoever comes into office hinges on the Montana 90 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 6: Senate race, that if Democrats and John Tess hold that one, 91 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 6: that they're going to hold the Senate. There's also this 92 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 6: wild card of Nebraska, where Democrats decided, you know what, 93 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 6: people hate us so much, we're not even going to 94 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 6: run a candidate Nebraska. 95 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: Forget about it. 96 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 6: The absolute political dynamo of Montana Republican Senator deb Fisher 97 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 6: is unbeatable. Incomes veteran Dan Osborne, who led a massively 98 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 6: successful strike in the state, and he's running a kind 99 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 6: of class first independent campaign. 100 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: Polls have him. 101 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 6: Shouldn't be surprising to anybody that watches this program. Neck 102 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 6: and neck with the brand name Republican in the state. 103 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 6: You could have a scenario where this actually pans out, 104 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 6: or this might be a Democratic gimmick that where they're 105 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 6: just trying to cloak a Democrat in independent clothing. Yes, 106 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 6: although one who happens to be a labor leader in 107 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 6: the state and with a cool background. We'll ask Dan 108 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 6: Osbourne which he is at the end of the program. 109 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 5: Great well, looking forward to that. Let's start with Telsea 110 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 5: Gabbard and also RFK Junior jumping into the race on 111 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 5: behalf of Donald Trump. This has been developing over the 112 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 5: course of the week. Obviously started with RFK Junior's announcement 113 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 5: that he was formerly endorsing Trump, but has developed as 114 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 5: Trump has brought them both on as campaign advisors. This 115 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 5: is some of the big news, and we have a 116 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 5: clip from RFK juniors an appearance on Talker Tucker reportedly 117 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 5: helped kind of broker the negotiations about an endorsement and 118 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 5: a dropout. So let's take a listen to what R. F. K. 119 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 5: Junior said on an edition of Tucker Carlson Show that 120 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: came out yesterday. 121 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 7: I'm going to work to get him elected. And and 122 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 7: you know, I'm working with the campaign. We're working on 123 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 7: policy issues together, or I will. I've been asked to 124 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 7: go onto the transition team and you know, to help 125 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 7: pick the people who will be running the government. And 126 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 7: I'm I'm looking forward to that, and I you know, 127 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 7: I'm I'm going to fight. I don't know what would 128 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 7: happen to me if we lose? 129 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Well, that's kind that was that's kind of I mean 130 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people I know personally and I'm friends 131 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: with have gone to prison. One of them was in 132 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: prison right now, Paubl Durroff. There are others, uh, like, 133 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: what happens if he loses? 134 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: To you, if he made if Trump loses and Kamala 135 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: Harris becomes first. 136 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know, but I mean, I listen, I know, 137 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 7: I don't. I never really think about that. 138 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 4: I want to. 139 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: I think it good. 140 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 7: What I think is okay, here's what I gotta do today. 141 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 7: And you know, get up every day and I say, 142 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 7: reporting for duties, sir, and then go do that, and 143 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 7: you know, nothing's at christis. Everything's a task, right and 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 7: and so that's what I'm gonna be kind of a 145 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 7: happy warrior or not. You know, I'm I know what 146 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 7: I have to do, so I'm going to do it. 147 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 5: So Tulca Gabbard also made a speech at a National 148 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 5: Guard it was Trump made a speech. She made her 149 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 5: formal endorsement of Trump at a National Guard event in Detroit. 150 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 5: So let's take a listen to Tulci Gabbard and as 151 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: I took you up this clip, I also mentioned that 152 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 5: it's worth remembering both RFK Junior and Tulsi endorsed Bernie 153 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 5: Sanders in twenty sixteen. So here's what Tulcy Gabbart had 154 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: to say at that speech. 155 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 8: This administration has us facing multiple wars on multiple fronts 156 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 8: and regions around the world, and closer to the brink 157 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 8: of nuclear war than we ever have been before. This 158 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 8: is one of the main reasons why I'm committed to 159 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 8: doing all that I can to send President Trump back 160 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 8: to the White House where he can once again serve 161 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 8: us as our commander in chief. Because I am confident 162 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 8: that his first task will be to do the work 163 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 8: to walk us back from the brink of war. We 164 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 8: cannot be prosperous unless we are at peace, and we 165 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 8: can't live free as long as we have a government 166 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 8: that is retaliating against its political opponents and undermining our 167 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 8: civil liberties, weaponizing our very institutions against those they deem 168 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 8: as a threat. Kamala Harris has done this over the 169 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 8: last three and a half years. She won't hesitate to 170 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 8: continue that if she is elected as president. President Trump 171 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 8: has been their first and foremost target in this because 172 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 8: they don't want us as voters to even have the 173 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 8: option shint to vote for him. I've been their most 174 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 8: recent target, added to a secret domestic terror watch list 175 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 8: after exposing the truth about what kind of dangers we 176 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 8: would face if Kamala Harris is elected as president. 177 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: Okay, so that was Toulta Gabbard. She also and you 178 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 5: could probably fill in the blanks from the speech, but said, 179 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: one of the biggest resident reason Shoes endorsing Donald Trump 180 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 5: is that there were no new wars started under his watch, 181 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 5: and that was Thorne policy was a huge feature of 182 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 5: the speech. I guess no surprise from Tulsa Gabbard. Now 183 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: I don't know who. 184 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: To blame quick programming. 185 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 6: Note on that one, she mentioned that she was put 186 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 6: on this terror watch list the Quiet Guys. 187 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: Next week we're. 188 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 6: Going to have Matt Taybe and Jeffrey Sachs on on 189 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 6: the Friday Show. Yes, talking about other stuff, but Taybe 190 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 6: has done a bunch of reporting on the Quiet Skies, 191 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 6: Tulty Gabbard element, and so we can get an update 192 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 6: on that anyway, Go ahead. 193 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 5: No, No, I don't know who to blame for putting this 194 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: crystalliz a tweet in the rundown, because why you put 195 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 5: a three up on this green crystal is a tweeted 196 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 5: this fairly interesting graph that comes from the Pew Research Center. Now, 197 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 5: what's also pretty interesting about this. You're seeing how Harris 198 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 5: Trump supporters view key cultural issues. If you're listening to this, 199 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 5: that's what the graphic says. Goes down the line of 200 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 5: gun ownership, how the legacy of slavery affects a position 201 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 5: of black people in America today, openness to people from 202 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 5: all over the world, religion should be kept separate from 203 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 5: government policies, and what you see is just really intense polarization. 204 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: That was also the same between Biden's supporters and Trump supporters, 205 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 5: which is fairly interesting. Pew redid the poll after Harris 206 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 5: got in the race, because Harris has actually gotten RFK 207 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: Junior voters. This is also from KEW who were supporting 208 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 5: him in July broke for Harris two to one according 209 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: to their research between July and August. So this is 210 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 5: all happening against the backdrop of really start cultural polarization. 211 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 5: And I think that's what makes it doubly interesting that 212 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 5: both RFK Junior and Tulsa Gabbard come from positions supporting 213 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders. Tulsi basically memorably was the vice chair of 214 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: the DNC. These are not you know, people who were 215 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 5: sort of figuring out what they believed, and you know 216 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 5: the type of centrists who were brokereen deals with like 217 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 5: the never Trump Adam Kinsinger's I mean, these are ideological. 218 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 5: These are ideological like you might take it if I 219 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 5: say leftists, but they were at least close to that. 220 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 6: I think what's what I think what's telling and interesting 221 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 6: about both of them is that they're they're both they 222 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 6: both have eccentric and kind of malleable politics. 223 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: And what is and that's not a criticism. 224 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 6: What that means is that when there's a realignment happening, 225 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 6: when there's a shift on the move, they are going 226 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 6: to be the first types of people who are on 227 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 6: the move. Gabbard was the kind of so when she 228 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 6: first ran in her primary, she was considered the more 229 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 6: conservative of the Democrats running in the primary, and there 230 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 6: was some skepticism of her coming in because of this 231 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 6: really ardent support of the global war on terror, which 232 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 6: is one of her few positions that has remained completely 233 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 6: consistent throughout her career. 234 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 5: And it's why conservative is a weird label for her, 235 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 5: among many other reasons. 236 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so. 237 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 6: Then in February twenty sixteen, right before Super Tuesday, she 238 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 6: resigned from vice chair of DNC and supported Bernie Sanders. 239 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 6: But then in twenty twenty she ran herself rather than 240 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 6: support Sanders, and then after dropping out, instead of endorsing Sanders, 241 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 6: who was still running, she endorsed Biden, which is a 242 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 6: weird like it's that's not really on the horseshoe. That's 243 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 6: her just kind of going on the spectrum, the old 244 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 6: traditional spectrum with a little with a little stop in 245 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 6: the middle, and then becoming an independent and then an 246 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 6: independent Conservative and then a Republican and then a Trump, 247 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 6: a Trump supporter. But I do think this is not 248 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 6: a christ of hers. What it says that I think 249 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 6: somebody like her who has kind of the kind of 250 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 6: politics that a lot of people have, which you have, 251 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 6: you know, some you agree with some people over here 252 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 6: and you are with some people over there, defies categoration 253 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 6: that she would be more attracted to the kind of 254 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 6: looser coalition that is that is Trump right now. 255 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 5: And she's also correct me if I remember, she's apposed 256 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 5: like a Medicare for all populist economic person as well. 257 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 6: She definitely was be interesting to see recently. I saw 258 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 6: her saying stuff about how government spending is out of control, 259 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 6: you've got to, you know, attack the deficit, very non 260 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 6: Burnie type stuff. 261 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: But she should come on the program now. 262 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 6: As his UH as an ambassador. We love them as 263 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 6: a surrogate and say, look, we'll talk about where where 264 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 6: you are on that, because Trump is for all that 265 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 6: stuff practically, I mean, if it depends on his mood. 266 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 6: But there was that famous moment where Paul Ryan's like 267 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 6: trying to repeal Obamacare for like the fifty third time, 268 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 6: and Trump's like, why don't we just. 269 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: Do single pair. 270 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's we're not gonna do that. 271 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 5: Well, you know there might be some issue. 272 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not doing that. 273 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 6: We're not that party, right, But Trump was he care 274 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 6: now it is a good health care. 275 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: Ran I particularly wanted to get your take at actually 276 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 5: speaking about that on this clip from RFK Junior where 277 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: he's discussing how the environmental movement's obsession with carbon started 278 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 5: to push him away from the Democratic Party, away from 279 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 5: the left. He calls Tucker Carlson a radical environmentalist. Tucker 280 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 5: agrees with that very heartily, and I think it fits 281 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: into this broader discussion about how increasingly a lot of 282 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 5: normal Americans just defy categorization. That might be because of Trump, 283 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 5: by the way. You know, people feel like they don't 284 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: belong in the Republican Party because they're really uncomfortable with 285 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 5: Donald Trump, and they're really uncomfortable for support for Donald Trump. 286 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 5: Or you have people like Telsea Gabbard and RFK JR. 287 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 5: RFK Junior in particular has some colorful quotes about Donald 288 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 5: Trump from years past where he's highly critical of him. 289 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: So it's kind of a remarkable turn of events to 290 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 5: what you were just speaking about. How does Tulsea Gabbard 291 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 5: go from endorsing Bernie to endorsing Biden to endorsing Donald Try, 292 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 5: And I'm thinking about Tulsi and Afghanistan. You know, Biden 293 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. Everybody sort of 294 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 5: has their big priorities and they say, I can deprioritize 295 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 5: all of these other policy issues where I disagree with 296 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 5: one Canada not because I think what they're going to 297 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 5: do on this particular issue, which is my priority, which 298 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 5: I think is the most important thing in the country, 299 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 5: is going to get done under them. That's kind of 300 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 5: what our Ka Junior is talking about here with the environment. 301 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 5: So let's roll this clip of him talking to Tucker Carlson. 302 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: You literally spent your life river Keepers as an environmentalist, 303 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: environmental lawyer in the environmental movement. I mean, that's that's 304 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: your life work product. Have you been expelled from the 305 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: movement pretty much? Yeah. 306 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: You know. 307 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 7: The weird thing is I think of you as a 308 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 7: radical environmentalist. 309 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: Well, I definitely am. Yeah you are. 310 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: I haven't showered inside in ten years. Yeah, yeah, no, 311 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I feel it so strongly. Also, you know, you love nature. 312 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 7: You're again to these big projects that are desloying it, 313 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 7: and you know you you talk about and the environmental 314 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 7: movement no longer talks about toxics anymore. 315 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: They don't care about it. I talked Roger. 316 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 7: L's all the time that both of us know Who 317 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 7: who who would let me occasionally onto Fox News to 318 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 7: talk about it. But there was so much hostility from 319 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 7: the Republican Party because it was like, you're attacking corporate 320 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 7: profit taking and that these are chemicals, they're molecules. Who 321 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 7: cares you know, they can't hurt you. And there was 322 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 7: just and then you do this incredible show on Enracrin Disruptors, 323 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 7: and I'm like, oh my god, Tucker Carlson has just 324 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 7: done the best show that's ever been done, showing you 325 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 7: know what's happening with eddercrin Disruptors, how they're just destroying us. 326 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 7: And the Democrats went after you and the environmental movement 327 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 7: and I'm like, what you know, this is what we've 328 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 7: been trying to get for forty years, the Republicans that 329 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 7: care about these issues. And they said, oh, he's saying 330 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 7: that chemicals turned people gay, he's any gay and all 331 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 7: this stuff, and that wasn't where you said at all. 332 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 7: And that's not what anybody said, Ryan. 333 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 5: You're a hippie. Is he right? Is he right that 334 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 5: toxins in particular, because that's what he's doing. He's saying. Listen, 335 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 5: Donald Trump has said that he might give me the 336 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 5: ability to have some oversight over public health, the obesity crisis, 337 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 5: the chemical crisis, the metabolic disease crisis. You know, I 338 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 5: think that is the most important thing in the world 339 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 5: and if we don't deal with it, you know, that's 340 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 5: why I'm basically supporting Donald Trump. So is he right 341 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 5: that the environmental movement has moved away from those priorities 342 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: in a way that's alienating sort of old school RFK 343 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: junior environmentalists or is he mischaracterizing on it. 344 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 6: I don't know if it's alienating old school or K 345 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 6: junior types other than him. But he's absolutely right about 346 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 6: the focus on carbon and climate change, Like there's no 347 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 6: question about that. I don't think, And we could get 348 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 6: him back on the show and ask him. I don't 349 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 6: think it needs to be an either or, like climate 350 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 6: change is an existential threat to us, like the Middle 351 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 6: East is going through right, Like as we speak, one 352 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 6: of its worst heat waves in history, just looked at 353 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 6: like one hundred and ten in Baghdad, which I understand 354 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 6: people like, oh, it's the Middle East, it's hot over there. 355 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: No, it's like much hotter than. 356 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 6: Normal, and we are facing massive problems as a result 357 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 6: of it. His point that we have overlooked toxicity is 358 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 6: dead on. There's no constituency right now calling out forever 359 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 6: plastics except right, yes, And that was an interesting program 360 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 6: that he did on. 361 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: Disruptors and plastics. 362 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 6: And also the way that our food food system is 363 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 6: poisoning us basically at an industrial level. These are all 364 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 6: like also existential questions that we need to be faced. 365 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: So it shouldn't be an either or because you have 366 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: to get them both right. 367 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 6: If you'll get one right and you don't get the 368 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 6: other right, good luck. 369 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: But so, yes, we do need to focus on them both. 370 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: It would be kind of a. 371 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 6: Shame if you wound up with like one party it's 372 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 6: like we need to deal with toxics and the other 373 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 6: ones we need to deal with carbon, and they're like, 374 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 6: I forget it, let's just do neither. 375 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 5: It's crazy because you can easily see, like the revival 376 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 5: of the country Khan trope is exploding more than it 377 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 5: was when Rodre originally wrote the book Country Conservatives, like 378 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 5: this is right now. I've never seen anything like this 379 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 5: in the Republican Party where you have people like Ovia 380 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 5: Junior and Telca Gabbard supporting Donald Trump and talking about 381 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 5: these issues, people like Tucker Carlson openly talking about these issues. 382 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 5: You could easily see a world where we see this 383 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 5: on economic policy a lot, healthcare policy a lot. You 384 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 5: just never end up putting the two pieces together. They 385 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 5: can have conversations and be like, yes, your right. 386 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 10: This is so important, and this this is one where 387 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 10: you cas a part where you really have to bring 388 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 10: both sides together on this because you can't approach the 389 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 10: question of toxicity and toxics in our in our food 390 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 10: system and our water from a personal responsibility right wing frame. 391 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: Right right right, You just can't. It's like, hey, have 392 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: better personal responsibility find while it doesn't have plastic in it. 393 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 6: You can go to an Arctic and you can't find 394 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 6: that this is a global problem that requires a global, literal, 395 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 6: top down solution that can be like democratically executed and 396 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 6: agreed upon by everybody. 397 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, just saying like we need to and it 398 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: goes to. 399 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 6: The the kind of environmentalism that corporate America tried to 400 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 6: foist onto the world in the nineties and eighties, nineties 401 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 6: and two thousands. One of them was one of their 402 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 6: big scams was recited where they're like, just take personal 403 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 6: responsibility and put you know, separate things, put them in 404 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 6: these bins. 405 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: You feel like you're doing something good. 406 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 6: Then they'll all put them all in the same place, 407 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 6: and then they'll just make that much more more plastic. 408 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 6: The second was when they invented the term carbon footprint, 409 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 6: as if every every particular act you have, you take, 410 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 6: has some particular carbon footprint, and then if you just 411 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 6: buy offsets for your little carbon footprint, then actually everything's okay, 412 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 6: it's great. 413 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: Scan rather than saying no, no. 414 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 6: No, the problem is the industrial production of blasting carbon 415 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 6: into the atmosphere that needs to be rained in at 416 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 6: a global level, not by a few people, like making 417 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 6: different choices and biking rather than driving, which you should do, 418 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 6: but you should do. You should do all these things 419 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 6: because they're good for you, not because you think that 420 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 6: they're going to be the solution to a global crisis. 421 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 5: Well, and that's the opening for I think conversation with 422 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 5: conservatives and it's bubbling into something that's more than a conversation, 423 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: which is where that's particularly worth watching because some of 424 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: these things, right, like when you're trying to talk about 425 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 5: healthcare or right left alliance or trade or right left alliance, 426 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 5: you can have all these conversations and then you hit 427 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 5: a brick wall because ultimately you don't want to be 428 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: seen with Donald Trump or you don't want to be 429 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 5: seen with Joe Biden. Like Chips, great example, at ultimately passed, 430 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 5: but a lot of Republicans ended up dropping out of 431 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 5: their support for Chips, which they had like shepherded through 432 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 5: the Senate and through Congress. And here, I mean, I 433 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 5: just don't know where this goes because to your point, 434 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 5: I mean, if conservatives are concerned about forever plastics, microplastics 435 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 5: and disruptors all of these things, you also have to 436 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 5: I mean, that's tethered for many people, like Rfkjunior, to 437 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 5: climate to production of like intense industrial production levels. So 438 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 5: we'll see, we'll see how it ends up. 439 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 6: Right, there has to be an an actual earnest conversation 440 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 6: about it, because it gets really interesting because on the 441 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 6: forever plastics, for instance, one of the leading sources of 442 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 6: them and you go down this rabbit hole. Is car 443 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 6: tires like the rubber and car tires, and you need 444 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 6: stronger tires to drive heavier evs. So paradoxically, the more 445 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 6: evs you get, the more toxic tires you have, and 446 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 6: then the more forever. 447 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: Plastics you have out there. 448 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 6: You could be the oil industry be like, Aha, that 449 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 6: shows we shouldn't we shouldn't do EV's, we shouldn't care 450 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 6: about climate at all. 451 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: Or you could say, okay, these are problems. 452 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 6: We're not morons, like, we can figure we can get 453 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 6: together and collectively figure this out if our goal is 454 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 6: to actually make a better planet and not to just 455 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 6: protect like incumbent oil industries or plastic industries or whatever 456 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 6: whatever else. 457 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 5: Sure, well it'll be a fun one to watch. 458 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. 459 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 5: There is some also RFK Junior news, but we're gonna 460 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 5: get into how this affects the election more broadly. We 461 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 5: can put up B one on the screen. This is 462 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 5: an Axios report that shows Michigan denying Robert F. Kennedy 463 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 5: Junior's attempt to get off of the presidential ballot in Michigan. 464 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: They say it's too late for him to remove his 465 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 5: name from office according to the Office of the Secretary 466 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 5: of State in Michigan. Now that may not seem like 467 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 5: a big deal, it actually really is because we remember 468 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 5: how close the margins were in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, 469 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 5: and Pennsylvania, especially in twenty sixteen. Speaking of those states, 470 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 5: we can go ahead and put the next element up 471 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 5: on the screen. He's also going to remain on the 472 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 5: ballot in Nevada, North Carolina, and guess what, Wisconsin, Blue 473 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 5: Wall state. So Ryan, I've seen some theories floating around 474 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 5: that this is kind of an effort to hurt Donald 475 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 5: Trump on behalf of like these DEM officials in these 476 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 5: states who want to give voters who may be torn 477 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 5: between RFK Junior and Donald Trump the option of voting 478 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 5: for RFK Junior, because you know, there are a lot 479 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 5: of double haters and they're just gonna say, I'd rather 480 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 5: not vote for Trump. I'm going for this Robert F. 481 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 5: Kennedy Junior guy. You know, reasonably many people don't follow 482 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: the news as closely as we do. Mercifully, it sounds 483 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 5: like a wonderful life, but they may not. Even by 484 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 5: the time I would assume everybody knows what happened but 485 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 5: a lot of people are tuned out, and reasonably so. 486 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 5: So I don't know that it's like a conspiracy, but 487 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 5: it definitely does seem like it could have a small 488 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 5: positive effect on the Harris campaign almost of the Biden campaign. 489 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Democrats started by trying to keep him off ballots. 490 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 6: Now that one, I'm desperately trying to keep him on. 491 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 6: Some of it is his own fault. In Nevada, the 492 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 6: deadline was August twentieth, Like, you show up in person, 493 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 6: you like the laws, you have to show up in 494 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 6: person and file by August twentieth to get yourself off. 495 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: He didn't. 496 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 6: It was like August twenty whatever that he decided to 497 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 6: endorse Trump. So the election of Viduals, they're like, look, 498 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 6: we got rules, rules of rules in Wisconsin. I think 499 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 6: he was nominated by the Natural Law Party and they 500 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 6: held a. 501 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: Convention, and that could mean so many things. I know, 502 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: it's great. 503 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 6: So just for people who don't mercifully, you know, haven't 504 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 6: looked into this throughout their life, it's very difficult to 505 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 6: get on these ballots around the country, and so one 506 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 6: thing people try to do is try to find a 507 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 6: party that doesn't have a candidate and a party that 508 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 6: just for some bizarre quirk of state history, has ballot access. 509 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 6: And so RFK Junior found the Natural Law Party in Wisconsin, 510 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: and I as his campaign, was like, Hey, anybody running 511 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 6: for this, can we run for it? They ran for 512 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 6: that nomination, they won it, and Wisconsin said, look, in 513 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 6: order to get him off of a party's ballot, because 514 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 6: he's not an independent, they would have to have another 515 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 6: convention vote to get him off and get a new candidate. 516 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: And there's just there's no time. 517 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 6: Like ballots are going out North Carolina ballots are going 518 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 6: on September sixth. I was just going to say, and 519 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 6: something like a third of North Carolina's one hundred counties 520 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 6: have already sent their ballots to the printer. 521 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: So like we're getting into actual practical. 522 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 6: Problems like which if it weren't for them, would Trump 523 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 6: just like say thanks JD and just put RFK Junior 524 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: as this running mate? You think if he could, if 525 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 6: you think if logistically it could be done, he'd be like, 526 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 6: you know what, let's just have the candidate Trump Kennedy. 527 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 5: No, I don't know, because I think Trump I would 528 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 5: be very curious to hear. I haven't heard this from 529 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 5: many people, like just journalistically what Trump really thinks of 530 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 5: RFK Junior, because one of the things with him is 531 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 5: if you endorse him, if you sort of engage in 532 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 5: these negotiations with him, he doesn't always respect you. He 533 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 5: feels like he sort of owns you. And I don't 534 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 5: know if he has that level of respect for Robert F. 535 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: Kennedy JD Vance. He took JD Vance from like third 536 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: to first in the Senate race. 537 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's true. Although RFK Junior is sort of yeah, 538 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 5: I don't know, he's just like he's. 539 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: Kind of kooky and trying to be trumped on. 540 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 11: Like his voice Trump, Well, that's also. 541 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 6: Junior is like kid or whoever leaked that phone call 542 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 6: that must have ticked him off. 543 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 5: I'm sure. 544 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: Oh. 545 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 6: In North Carolina, to wrap that one up, they have 546 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 6: said that I forget what party he's running on there, 547 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 6: but they said they've gotten no word from the party 548 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 6: that has nominated RFK Junior in North Carolina that he 549 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 6: wants to be off the ballot, because you would think like, Okay, 550 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 6: we had a press conference, we said we want yes. 551 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 6: But he also in North Carolina's defense, he said I'm 552 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 6: going to remove my name from ten battleground states where 553 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 6: I think it's competitive, but I'm going to keep my 554 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 6: name on in the other states for some reason. So 555 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 6: in North Carolina's defense, they are like, look, okay, unless 556 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 6: we get a phone call, yeah, then we're not going 557 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 6: to take any deliberate action. 558 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 5: Once everyone gets back from the Labor Day holiday, it 559 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 5: is shocking how quickly. 560 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: The voting these ball let's ballots are going out. 561 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 5: So I just have this calendar in front of me. 562 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 5: There are a lot of states that are forty five 563 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 5: days out from election, fifty days out from election in 564 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 5: one or two. I think one of those might include Pennsylvania. 565 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 5: So people are like quite literally going to start voting 566 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 5: very very soon around the time of the first debate, 567 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 5: which is scheduled for September tenth, because I think when 568 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 5: we get back from Labor Day next week, they're about 569 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 5: sixty days left before the election, so it's coming up 570 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 5: extremely fast. Tons of pragmatic questions now. James Carvel to 571 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 5: this point about Donald Trump, was on a show recently 572 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 5: talking about Trump's efforts to like write the ship of 573 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 5: his campaign amid the and maybe I'm just going to 574 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 5: go out of order to the control room here. It's 575 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 5: in the context of what we saw happen with Kamala Harris. 576 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 5: This is before a report from al Jazer, but it's 577 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: been also reported elsewhere that her fundraising numbers are at 578 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 5: a record level right now. I think she's hauled in 579 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 5: some five hundred and forty million dollars just after the DMS. 580 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 5: Just after the DNS is the presidential record eighty two 581 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 5: million during the convention. 582 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 6: Itselfne Bernie raised in twenty sixteen two hundred and fifty 583 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 6: million from small dollars, and that was amazing, which and 584 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 6: which broke all kinds of small dollar records. I mean, 585 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 6: Obama was as separate, separate case. That was the campaign, 586 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 6: you know, that included the general election. This is just weeks, 587 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 6: shattering records in weeks, and I think people need to 588 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 6: understand that this also. 589 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: If you believe that. 590 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 6: That politicians are bought and can be bought, which you 591 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 6: should believe because that's obvious, to have that, to have 592 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 6: them bought by five hundred and forty million dollars largely 593 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 6: from just normal people is actually a really good thing 594 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 6: for our democracy, and the Republicans are moving in that 595 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 6: direction too. Just filling up your inbox, and Democrats to 596 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 6: the same thing, to fill up your inbox, begging you 597 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 6: for money, and then in moments of real enthusiasm, you 598 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 6: go and you're like okay, fine, and you give. Obviously 599 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 6: you give Kamala Harris five hundred and forty million dollars. 600 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 5: So Kamala Harris has also one point five million new donors, 601 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 5: which is really interesting coming in after Biden drops off 602 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 5: the ticket. So that's people who weren't previously giving to 603 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: the Biden campaign. This is according to The New York 604 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 5: Times who analyze the disclosures, which is I think fairly significant. 605 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 5: Actually just in and of herself was. 606 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 6: Giving to the Biden campaign, like I mean, I know, 607 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 6: like big, big money people of course would do that 608 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 6: because that's their job and they're say influence. 609 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: But if you're a regular person. 610 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 5: Because you hate Trump, I mean you're you're genuinely hate Trump. 611 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: But it was so embarrassing open, that's so demoralized. Yeah, 612 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: this is just uncorked, like enthusiasm. 613 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 5: The New York Times reports hairstonors were slightly more likely 614 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 5: to come from more educated ZIP areas and more educated 615 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 5: areas ZIP code were more than half of those twenty 616 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 5: five and over had a bachelor's degree at and Miss 617 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 5: Harris also claimed a slightly high share first time small 618 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 5: dollar donors from zip codes. We're more than five percent 619 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 5: of the population was black, so that's where some of 620 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 5: that one point five million new donors are coming in. 621 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 5: But this is obviously if you're the Trump campaign right now, 622 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 5: you're on your heels. These numbers are astounding. So let's 623 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 5: go ahead and roll this clip of James Carvell talking 624 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 5: about how Trump has how in his mind as a 625 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 5: democratic sort of legendary mythical democratic strategist analyzed the Trump 626 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 5: campaigns or Donald Trump Himself's reaction to harry S joining 627 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 5: the ticket. 628 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 12: He like shock, like survival instinct, and he knows that 629 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 12: he's not having the same effect as he used to. 630 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 12: He knows that Harris has become what he's always wanted 631 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 12: to be. Is the kind of hard item he does, 632 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 12: and he's not the new kid on the bock anymore, 633 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 12: and he's struggling to regain that. But he he, like 634 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 12: I say, he has very primitive survival skills, and I 635 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 12: think this is something that is driving him crazy, right. 636 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is he's in deep in 637 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: deep trouble and is aware of it. 638 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 12: He is, he is, and he's aware of and now 639 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 12: how he gets out of it? Oh, Kenny, get out 640 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 12: of it? 641 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 5: I don't know very primitive survival skills. So James Carlin's 642 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 5: as well said, well, I mean I don't know. He 643 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 5: survived pretty long at this point. 644 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: So, but primitive creatures survive for millennia. 645 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 5: Fair enough. Fair enough. Now the interesting, well, it is 646 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 5: beyond interesting. I mean, it's always worth remembering. It kind 647 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 5: of feels like it gets lost in all of this. 648 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 6: But a primitive is a compliment, by the way, because 649 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 6: it's like that that's those are the best survival skills. 650 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: Okay, you don't. 651 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 5: I don't think he was using. 652 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: You don't want an accountant survival skills? 653 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 5: True, but James carvill seemed to be using it in 654 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 5: this sense that like he's a kind of dthal. 655 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think he respects an Okay, okay, as. 656 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 5: A Clinton a Clinton operative, fair enough. Well, Donald Trump 657 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 5: is in quote deep trouble because if he loses this 658 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 5: election amidst this flood of cash for his opponent and 659 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 5: a polling surge for his opponent, he could be facing 660 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 5: jail time. He can't dismiss, for example, the DJ's case 661 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 5: against him, the Jacksmith case against him, just reup, can't 662 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 5: pardon people, right, Yeah, just refiled yesterday to comply with 663 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity or to make 664 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 5: it more to sharpen it in light of what the 665 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 5: Supreme Court decided in that case. So he is quote 666 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 5: in deep trouble if he loses the election, because you know, 667 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 5: obviously his freedom is on the line. 668 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can put up B five here. 669 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 6: Democrats are now getting extremely confident, about extremely confident, but 670 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 6: they're getting excited about the possibility of actually flipping the House. 671 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 6: And you know, we're going to talk to Dan Osborne, 672 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 6: Senate candidate at the end of this show. Because Democrats 673 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 6: actually also believe that they have a chance of holding 674 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 6: the Senate, like there is a chance that they could. 675 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 6: They went from assuming and several members of Congress and 676 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 6: this articles said that they were going to lose all 677 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 6: three chambers decisively to thinking we might actually win all 678 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 6: three of these at this time and a Democratic operative 679 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 6: was making an interesting point to me about Harris that 680 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 6: I think plays into this, which is that there's a 681 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 6: key difference between her and Barack Obama in this sense 682 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 6: that in two thousand and eight, the Democrats and independent 683 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 6: progressives and others kind of invested their hopes into Obama 684 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,479 Speaker 6: as this transformative, unique leader who is going to you know, 685 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 6: take them somewhere new, like he was the guy that 686 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 6: was going to do it. They absolutely do not think 687 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 6: of Kamala Harris that way. What they think of as 688 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 6: when they think of Kamala Harris, they think of somebody 689 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 6: who can be the vessel for their for people's ability 690 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 6: to fight against Trump, that like she'll do interesting, and 691 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 6: they're actually just they're rooting for her, you know, And 692 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 6: that's why they're I think fine that she hasn't had 693 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 6: any interviews yet at all, and when they watched that 694 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 6: interview Thursday night that she's going to do with Dana Bash, 695 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 6: they're all just gonna be on pins and needles and 696 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 6: with their fingers crossing, like please, Comma, please come please, Kamla, 697 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 6: just you know, hoping that she does well enough that 698 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 6: she can then be the thing that they use to 699 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 6: kind of fight back against Trump. Whereas when it was Obama, 700 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 6: they would have been sitting back and just watching and 701 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 6: like allowing Obama's genius to like wash over them. 702 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 5: Yes, and I think like the joy washes over. 703 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: No, that's their joy in Biden being gone. 704 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 6: And I think it's actually paradoxically a much a much 705 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 6: healthier relation. They have a much healthier relationship with Kamala Harris. 706 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 6: You should not invest all your hopes into a politician. 707 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 6: You should actually have no confidence in them at all, 708 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 6: I mean, and need to kind of push them and 709 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 6: drag them, because that's the democratic will then kind of working, 710 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 6: rather than this this guy is going to take us 711 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 6: to the Promised Land. 712 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 5: The magical transformation of Kamala Harris, though, I think has 713 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 5: some people who are previously very cynical about her now 714 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 5: genuinely investing like emotionally in Paris as a human being hilarious, 715 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 5: which is, yeah, it is absolutely wild. So to your point, 716 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 5: also a brilliant move I think by the Harris campaign 717 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 5: to finally agree to a sit down interview. It's going 718 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 5: to be a joint interview with Harrison Walls. 719 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: On CNN forward as possible. 720 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 5: And yeah, weeks ago she said she hopes her team 721 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 5: will schedule and by the end of the month it 722 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 5: is like right, it's happening on Thursday night, literally the eve. 723 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 2: Of maybe we'll get one by the end of September. 724 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 5: Maybe if we're lucky. But I mean it's just like 725 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 5: tactically it's the same thing with this entire campaign. It 726 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 5: has been such a risk averse campaign, and I think 727 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 5: it's like anti small dy democratic from you know, the hypocritical. 728 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: And Vice presidency. 729 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 6: We played a couple of months ago that that clip 730 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 6: with Lester Holt where she sits down to. 731 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: Do an interview on the border. 732 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and he asks her, you know, why haven't 733 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 6: you gone to the border. She's like, I have gone 734 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 6: to the border. He's like, no, you haven't. She's like, oh, well, 735 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 6: I haven't gone to Europe either. It was the most 736 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 6: surreal exchange, like why did you just say you went 737 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 6: to the border. 738 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. She didn't do an interview 739 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: for like a year after that. 740 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 5: She's not I mean, it's not her strength. It could 741 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 5: be pale A esque, but you know, she's feeling herself 742 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 5: right now and that goes a long way just in 743 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 5: terms of your personal confidence when you're in these interviews 744 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 5: and it can backfire on you too. 745 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 6: And having walls there It's kind of a funny move. 746 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 6: And also for this tiny ecosystem on the right, the 747 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 6: Laura Lumers of the world, who were convinced that Democrats 748 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 6: deeply regretted their choice of Walls and that he was 749 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 6: going to be swapped out for whoever any minute now, 750 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 6: they must be very confused by Kamala Harris like asking 751 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 6: Walls to join her in her first interview. 752 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: They might like, how do you make sense of that? 753 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 6: If you're if you're convinced that he's actually like cooked 754 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 6: and they're embarrassed by him. 755 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. It's a good point, but any 756 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 5: mistakes they make will absolutely be buried in the Labor 757 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 5: Day weekend. I mean, it's is Thursday, so Friday. Many 758 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 5: people are already on vacation. DC is like all in 759 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 5: the Hampton's right now, so everything, yeah, city's empty. Everything 760 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 5: will just be buried anyway. So sort of a brilliant move. 761 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 5: As much as I hate it. Game, respect game, All right, Ryan, 762 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 5: Let's move on and move on to the Middle East 763 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 5: and the invasion of the West Bank, which is ongoing 764 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 5: right now. Tell us what happened. 765 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 6: So last last night, the IDF launched what they called 766 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 6: Operation summer camps, which is an invasion of you know, 767 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 6: major parts of the of the occupied West Bank focused 768 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 6: heavily on Jane, the refugee camp of Janine. So we 769 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 6: can put this first element up. Associated Press was reporting 770 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 6: that every entry in and out of Janine was being 771 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 6: blocked by armored vehicles. 772 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 2: And that what you can see on the screen here, Yeah, and. 773 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 6: That the hospitals were you know, they had blocked access 774 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 6: to all hospitals and other medical centers. Their argument was 775 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 6: they didn't want to allow people to kind of shelter 776 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 6: in hospitals, and so they have said that this is 777 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 6: the largest assault. The Israeli Army announced that this is 778 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 6: the largest assault on the West Bank since two thousand 779 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 6: and two, that will involve thousands of service members and 780 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 6: will last for days. And they have said it's a 781 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 6: preemptive attack on what they said is the build up 782 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 6: of resistance groups in these in these refugee camps. Uh, 783 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 6: they just you know, they just did a preemptive. 784 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: Attack on on Hasbal. 785 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 6: A lot of you know, a lot of a lot 786 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 6: of preemptive attacking going on, the preemptive attacks for decades. 787 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: At this point, at least. 788 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 6: Nine Palcidians were killed in this in this attack, which 789 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 6: so far, which is a number that, yeah, which pales 790 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 6: in comparison to the to this day the numbers of 791 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 6: deaths that you get in Gaza from the ongoing Israeli attacks. 792 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 6: You're also having, uh, and we can talk about this 793 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 6: later in a bit, an attack on Southern Communis by 794 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 6: the IDF arrayed there, which appears to be based on 795 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 6: intelligence gleaned from the Bedouin hostage who befriended This is 796 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 6: this is what we're hearing in the media. By all accounts, 797 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 6: it appears to be true that he did, you know, 798 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 6: he had a good had a good rapport with some 799 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 6: of his captors and what and has been debriefing with 800 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 6: the IDEF continuously since he was really and that the 801 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 6: coincidence of the kind of raid on South Communist seems 802 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 6: to suggest that, uh, the IDF believes that they have 803 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 6: intel that they can they can operate on. So we 804 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 6: may soon be hearing new you know, the the bodies 805 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 6: of hostages being recovered or more more, hostage rescues. 806 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: The way that. 807 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 6: The the way that the bed One hostage was rescued, 808 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 6: it turns out, was because communications were disabled, you know, 809 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 6: between because the infrastructure is so completely annihilated in Gaza 810 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 6: that you know, different Hamas operatives lost lost communication and 811 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 6: basically they weren't able to keep up with people. A 812 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 6: number of hostages were recently found suffocated in a tunnel 813 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 6: after an idea of bombing, and so there's a huge 814 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 6: risk two hostages of the of the the constant shelling 815 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 6: and the and the constant attacks and destruction the infrastructure, 816 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 6: and the the inability of you know, of their captors 817 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 6: to communicate with each other because they're you know, they 818 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 6: don't want them to die, like they want to keep 819 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 6: them alive. This guy, uh very You don't want to 820 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 6: call anybody who went through that ten months of hell lucky, 821 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 6: but lucky in the sense that the tunnel didn't collapse 822 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 6: on him and you didn't suffocate. 823 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 5: And we've heard that from other rescued hostages who said 824 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 5: they felt like nobody knew where they were and there 825 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 5: was indiscriminate bombing around them. They didn't have confidence that 826 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 5: they were being protected or safe, and they felt lucky. Basically, 827 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 5: that's the that's the implication there is that we're lucky 828 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 5: that we didn't die. Right from our like, I don't 829 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 5: want to call it friendly fire because it's not exactly 830 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 5: the same, but from bombing in Gaza. 831 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do we have to see two here? 832 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 2: This put up this next element? 833 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 6: So yeah, this is Channel fourteen is like Israel's Newsmax. Basically, 834 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 6: the Army's launched a large calm already several areas at 835 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 6: the same time. In Channel fourteen, one of the one 836 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 6: of the correspondents there, uh said, said something like. 837 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 2: Everyone survivor you're all going to die. If if you ever, 838 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 2: if you ever. 839 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 6: Want some blood curdling stuff, Channel fourteen is the is 840 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 6: the place to go. 841 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 2: Can put up. 842 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 6: The put up the third element here in here in 843 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 6: this block. Ah, yes, there it is terrorists in northern 844 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 6: West Bank. The gates of hell have opened. Either you 845 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 6: surrender or you die, which, okay, some interesting trash talking, 846 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 6: just weird from a journalist. I'm somebody who believes in uh, 847 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 6: you know, putting some passion into your journalism, and it's 848 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 6: okay to have a point of view. Just just an 849 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 6: interesting approach, just a little weird. The gates of hell 850 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,919 Speaker 6: have opened. So anyway, Operation Summer Camps, according to Channel 851 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 6: fourteen in Israel, is the gates of Hell opening on 852 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 6: the occupied West Bank, which again, to be clear, is 853 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 6: not Gaza and is not controlled by hamas you. 854 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 5: Know in the Operation Summer Camp. With that juxtaposition to 855 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 5: the communication that it's just yeah, it's very i mean, 856 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 5: not surprising, but bizarre. 857 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: Nonetheless, I'm putting a fourth element here. 858 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 5: This is the Biden approving humanitary to Gazaviya the floating peer, 859 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 5: despite warnings from the US government that rough waves could 860 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 5: post significant challenges and objections. This is from Yashar Alie saying, 861 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 5: an IG report revealed that Biden himself approved this plan. 862 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 6: Right right, which we would assume there's no way that 863 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 6: this gets done without Biden, but it's this This IG 864 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 6: report has some interesting details that of people arguing logistically 865 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 6: quote high waves was what they were calling it. 866 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 2: You know, we here, we call it high tide. 867 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 6: You know, they're like, look, it's this isn't going to work, 868 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 6: Like the idea just logistically is dumb. And he's like, 869 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 6: now it's fine, let's put hundreds of millions of dollars 870 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 6: into this. And then separately, the report exposes internal objections 871 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 6: which which kind of leaked out into the press of 872 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 6: the time and also were obvious. They were saying there 873 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 6: were people inside the State Department were saying this gives 874 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 6: Israel and out on actually letting humanitarian aid through the 875 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 6: ports of entry that already exists. Like and if you 876 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 6: remember from the our reporting on this at the time, 877 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 6: like this is weird, Like you're acting like there's some 878 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 6: natural disaster around the rest of Gaza's where it's where 879 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 6: you're unable to just put food and humanitarian aid into 880 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 6: trucks and drive it in and distribute it to people. 881 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 6: Like somehow that has become an impossibility that what you 882 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 6: need to do is build this you know, five hundred 883 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 6: million dollar pee peer and bring it in from Cyprus. 884 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 6: But then as soon as they started loading supplies into Cyprus, 885 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 6: the IDF was just crawling around Cyprus and doing the 886 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 6: exact same thing with their you know, their pencil and 887 00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 6: their clipboard. 888 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 2: What number do you have on this truck here? You 889 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 2: know that number doesn't match what I have? Sorry, back 890 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 2: of the line, Well, we talked about like if you 891 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 2: don't solve the problem, what is one extra port that 892 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 2: doesn't even work going to do. 893 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 5: We talked to someone a couple of months ago, I 894 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 5: think was in Cyprus at the time that we had 895 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 5: that conversation with you right about how trucks were being 896 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 5: and that's you know, the United States wanted Israel to 897 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 5: accept more trucks and as a huge backer in frounder 898 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 5: of the war. If your ally, the the who's prosecuting 899 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 5: this war won't comply with that, you then spend how 900 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 5: of much money? I mean, what's the total on this 901 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,399 Speaker 5: peer to get around it because they won't let trucks through. 902 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 6: The only extent to which this worked at all is 903 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 6: that because of this peer, that's when you had the 904 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 6: World's Central Kitchen convoy attacked by the IDF and killed. 905 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 6: And because they attacked the World's Central Kitchen because people 906 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 6: in Washington, d c. Know Jose Andres that embarrassed by 907 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 6: the enough that he made a phone call to BB 908 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 6: and said, come on, this is embarrassing. You're killing me 909 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 6: here by killing all of these people. And then all 910 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 6: of a sudden, for a couple of weeks, more trucks 911 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 6: started getting in, proving the case that it was actually 912 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,439 Speaker 6: Israeli policy. Was really kept saying because if if it wasn't, 913 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 6: then why could you know, b betweak it? And all 914 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 6: of a sudden more trucks are getting and that obviously 915 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 6: didn't last long. And the long term effect of killing 916 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 6: the world central kitchen humanitarian aid workers was that there 917 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,720 Speaker 6: were many fewer humanitarian aid workers willing to for good reason, 918 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 6: you know, go out onto the distribution runs, which then 919 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 6: led Israel to say, well, it's the United Nations and 920 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 6: UNRA that that can't distribute the aid. It's really not 921 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 6: our fault, it's their fault. Knowing the fact that they 922 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 6: had killed, you know, more than one hundred of family 923 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 6: and workers of UNRA and and had led a global 924 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 6: campaign to defund them. 925 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 5: There's some truth that there there's some truth to the 926 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 5: claims about from the Israeli perspective that but we've talked 927 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 5: about this before. When it's that embedded in such a 928 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 5: tiny and concentrated population, that's sort of inevitable. And a 929 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 5: big picture thought on this is it's the post World 930 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 5: War two. These are all of the tangled, bizarre conversations 931 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 5: that we have, and now we have international pressure that 932 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 5: you feed civilians of your enemies, which is in the 933 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 5: like sort of aggregate a good thing and unusual in 934 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 5: like all of human history. But if you say that 935 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 5: you're doing it. You got to do it if you 936 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 5: agree to the terms, and if you want to, you know, 937 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 5: throw international law around like Biden does when it comes 938 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 5: to Russia and then flout it or fail to pressure 939 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 5: people into complying with it when you're supplying arms, et cetera. 940 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 5: It's obviously incredibly problematic. Let's put CEE five up on 941 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 5: the screen. This is a video of the hostage rescue. Yes, 942 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 5: and that's a actually a Muslim citizen of Israel, fifty 943 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 5: two year old man was rescued. You can see the 944 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 5: body cam footage from the IDF on the screen here. 945 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,880 Speaker 5: Like Grian said, pretty lucky situation, but also worth mentioning 946 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,240 Speaker 5: that this well worth mentioning that this has reapped calls 947 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 5: from the family members of other hostages who have not 948 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 5: been rescued, of which there are I think roughly an 949 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 5: estimate of like alive seventy something like a sixty seventy 950 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 5: right now. Those families are calling for ceasefire. So it 951 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 5: has put that in a spotlight once again in headlines 952 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 5: that you have the family members, the loved ones of 953 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 5: people who are still being held hostage re upping their 954 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 5: demands for ceasefire. Because this was the fourth successful recovery, 955 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 5: I think the fourth successful recovery by the IDF of hostages. 956 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 5: But there are a lot of people who have been 957 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 5: over there since October seventh. Then their families want to 958 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 5: ceasefire and they want them back, and that domestically complicates 959 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 5: the politics for Netanyahu as well. 960 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 2: Right, it's Wednesday. 961 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 6: You could have all of the hostages, or enormous number 962 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 6: of the hostages out by the end of this week 963 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 6: if they would just agree to the deal that Israel 964 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 6: already put forward. That's what's so wild about these these 965 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 6: ongoing negotiations that Israel put forward a deal. 966 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 2: Biden made that deal public. Hamas said, this works for us, 967 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 2: Let's implement this framework. Let's do it. And ya, who's 968 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,439 Speaker 2: come back with Actually, we want to checkpoint in the 969 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 2: it's a rem court or we want. 970 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 6: To control the access and through rafa et cetera. And 971 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 6: so we're back to a place where they're deadlocked again. 972 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 5: And yeah, okay, So that's important context to all of 973 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 5: this too. That's where we are right now with the 974 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 5: potential cease fire deal, which was the Biden camp was 975 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 5: saying was more and more likely as we went through 976 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 5: the Democratic Convention, week, which I thought was very interesting timing. 977 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 5: And now after dance Week is over, you know, maybe 978 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 5: these things are not. But my theory at the time 979 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 5: was those public relations for the Biden campaign to say like, hey, 980 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 5: this is going really really well, We're doing a great job, 981 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 5: We're almost there. And you know, when the week turned 982 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 5: to the next week, came pretty clear that's not what 983 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:15,720 Speaker 5: was happening. 984 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 4: Right. 985 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 6: And meanwhile, it's been interesting to see kind of Israeli 986 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 6: society first first mourning a lot of the children that 987 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 6: were killed who were kind of Syrian Arab children and 988 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 6: occupied occupied Syria or you know, calling them Israelis, and 989 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 6: then saying they're going to attack Hesbola over that when 990 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,920 Speaker 6: the relationship between those populations and the Israeli government is 991 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 6: mostly adversarial otherwise. And then if people want to look 992 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 6: up how kind of the bed Ones are treated in 993 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 6: settlements that are refused to be recognized legally by the 994 00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 6: Israeli government. 995 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 2: Uh that that's. 996 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 6: That's just an interesting juxtaposition here watching this unfold, and 997 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 6: as as we think about. 998 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,280 Speaker 2: The the the. 999 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 6: Mass roundup that must be going on as we speak 1000 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 6: in in the West Bank, it's worth noting this final 1001 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 6: element here. Human Rights just absolutely horrifying Human Rights Watch 1002 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 6: report that has come out that is confirming a lot 1003 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 6: of of what bets lem and and and other another 1004 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 6: reporting has already shown us about the the absolute I 1005 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 6: don't want to say collapse of the Israeli detention system 1006 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 6: because that suggests that it's something that was done accidentally. 1007 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 2: Uh the uh Smotrich. 1008 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 6: And our national security advisor Ben Gavir has said like 1009 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 6: forget him, yeah, that he has said that he wants 1010 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:01,439 Speaker 6: conditions in these detention centers to be as horrifying as 1011 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 6: you could possibly imagine. 1012 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 2: And then some. And the Human Rights Watch report. 1013 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 6: Takes all the caricatures that you've understood about torture throughout 1014 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 6: the worst movies you can think of, and and ratchets 1015 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 6: them up to eleven people you know, you know, held 1016 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,320 Speaker 6: naked up, upside down, you know, being you know, tortured 1017 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,399 Speaker 6: with electrocution, sexual assault, rape. Well, one of I don't 1018 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 6: know if you noticed this, one of the accused rapists 1019 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 6: from the from that prison facility is now going regularly 1020 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,360 Speaker 6: going on like Israeli game shows and being kind of 1021 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 6: fetted and celebrated as a way to say, like, look, 1022 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 6: we defend this we support this, so check out check 1023 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 6: that Human Rights Watch report out. 1024 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we'll continue to follow the story. Of course, 1025 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 5: fairly big news from Mark Zuckerberg, of all people, who 1026 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 5: actually wrote in a letter to the House Judiciary Committee 1027 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 5: this week that he regrets two different censorship moves that 1028 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 5: Meta took back in around twenty twenty, roughly pandemic era 1029 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 5: one was surrounding the Biden Whitehouses, not secret at all. 1030 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,799 Speaker 5: In fact, Jen Zaki at the time was public about 1031 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 5: this in a sort of braggadocious way, demands for social 1032 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 5: media companies, including Meta, to censor what they deemed at 1033 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 5: the time to be COVID disinformation. We can put D 1034 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 5: one D one up on the screen. And also the 1035 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 5: Hunter Biden laptop story, which Zuckerberg will get to this 1036 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,280 Speaker 5: in just one moment. Memorably told Joe Rogan the FBI 1037 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,080 Speaker 5: approached Meta in the weeks before the twenty twenty election 1038 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 5: informing Meta to be on high alert for Russian disinformation 1039 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 5: twenty twenty one. Biden administration attempts to censor COVID content 1040 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 5: twenty twenty. The Biden campaign and the FBI had pressured 1041 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:53,800 Speaker 5: them to censor. 1042 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 2: Well, he didn't say Biden campaign. 1043 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,840 Speaker 5: Right, No, no, no, he doesn't. But we know that the 1044 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,359 Speaker 5: Biden campaign was telling. 1045 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 2: People not to run this st liberally. I mean they 1046 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 2: were doing it publicly, basically one hundred percent. 1047 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 5: And now what's also very interesting is Zuckerberg responded in 1048 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 5: this letter to Jim Jordan the House Judiciary Committee, where 1049 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,040 Speaker 5: he did, of course copy ranking member Jerry Nadler, and 1050 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 5: said that the roughly four hundred million dollars that he 1051 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,919 Speaker 5: had put into boosting quote, electoral infrastructure. You can see 1052 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 5: this quote on the screen in front of you if 1053 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 5: you're watching, he will not be making similar contributions this cycle. 1054 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 5: That money was huge, and by the admission of a 1055 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 5: Molly Ball story in Time magazine, everybody remembers she described 1056 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 5: efforts spearheaded by the Chan Zuckerberg initiative, that's Mark Zuckerberg 1057 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 5: and his wife Priscilla Chan's four hundred million dollar contribution, 1058 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 5: as that well funded cabal. That is the word of 1059 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,320 Speaker 5: the Time. This is the language of the Time magazine story, 1060 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 5: And there were annale, there were analyzes that came out 1061 00:54:53,960 --> 00:55:00,760 Speaker 5: afterwards saying it disproportionately boosted election infrastructure in democratic area. Zuckerberg, 1062 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,720 Speaker 5: in this letter to Jim Jordan said he doesn't agree 1063 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 5: with those analyzes, but he won't be contributing. Nonetheless, in 1064 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 5: the context of all of the concerns about what happened, 1065 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 5: that is a response, I think, probably most prominently to 1066 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,960 Speaker 5: my former boss Molly Hemingway, who wrote a book basically 1067 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,200 Speaker 5: about what happened after Zuckerberg made those contributions, called rigged. 1068 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 5: And I don't know, I haven't seen Zuckerberg directly address 1069 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,719 Speaker 5: it in a way like this before, so he just 1070 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 5: kind of seemed to be throwing a bone to the 1071 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 5: right in this letter in huge, huge ways. Now I 1072 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 5: think I agree with everything that he says here in 1073 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,240 Speaker 5: terms of like directionally, I think this is all good. 1074 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 5: But he also called Trump badass recently. Remember that. 1075 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm well, he was saying then getting shot in 1076 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 6: the ear and then standing up and pumping your fists 1077 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,959 Speaker 6: was badass, which objectively is true. 1078 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it absolutely is, but like it's he's an enemy. 1079 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 5: He's long been considered an enemy of Trump, so it 1080 00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 5: was sort. 1081 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 2: Of which I don't know exactly why. 1082 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,400 Speaker 5: And people think that Facebook actually boosted Yeah, absolutely, and 1083 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 5: I think there's probably an argument to be made for that. 1084 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 5: But he I mean he's been at least. 1085 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 2: He lives in or he lived in Berkeley or whatever, 1086 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,919 Speaker 2: superficial liberal and never never listened to what this guy said. 1087 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 6: Not so sure that's the case. The reason I don't 1088 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 6: buy buy into as much of that. So on the 1089 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 6: on the Wisconsin Zuckerberg, you know money that went into 1090 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,160 Speaker 6: you know, boosting the mail in ballots. I think I 1091 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,720 Speaker 6: think it's probably true that the that the analysis correct, 1092 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 6: that the money ended up helping Democrats. But I think 1093 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 6: the reason that Zuckerberg doesn't necessarily deserve blame for that 1094 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 6: is that the reason it helped Democrats is that Trump 1095 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,359 Speaker 6: and Republicans made the absolutely inscrutable decision in real time 1096 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 6: to urge all of their voters not to vote by mail. 1097 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 6: And therefore, like if you any money you invest into 1098 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 6: encouraging people to vote by mail is going to benefit 1099 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,319 Speaker 6: the party that is taking advantage of it. Trump, I 1100 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 6: think recognizes that that was a fundamental mistake, and you 1101 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,279 Speaker 6: see him now saying, you know, we're going to get 1102 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,760 Speaker 6: rid of mail in voting, you know, when I'm president, 1103 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,240 Speaker 6: but we haven't yet. So everybody needs to vote whatever 1104 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 6: way that you should vote. He's gone as that rhetoric 1105 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,439 Speaker 6: of don't do mail in voting, because it also leaves 1106 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,560 Speaker 6: you vulnerable to chance, like in Nevada where Democrats all 1107 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 6: voted early, and then in northern Nevada on election day 1108 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 6: you had a giant snowstorm. Yeah, we're like, eh, I'm 1109 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 6: not going that's been in my truck off the side 1110 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 6: of the road for Trump. 1111 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 2: Yep. Right. 1112 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 5: So here's a flashback to how Zuckerberg talked about the 1113 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 5: lead up to the Hunter Biden laptop controversy with The 1114 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 5: New York Post. This is two years ago. On Joe 1115 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,920 Speaker 5: Rogan's show, Zuckerberg kind of opened up about this with 1116 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,919 Speaker 5: some I mean, if we take him at his word, 1117 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 5: and he seems to be a genuine in this quote, 1118 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 5: because it's like he's reflecting on how he didn't know 1119 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 5: what he was getting into. And I'm doing a segment 1120 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 5: on my show Undercurrents tomorrow on this because I found 1121 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 5: it so interesting that Zuckerberg in his letter cited kind 1122 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 5: of his own declining institutional trust. He says, at the time, 1123 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 5: I trusted the FBI. This is what he gets into 1124 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 5: with Joe Rogan. He's like, I trusted law enforcement that 1125 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 5: they had, you know, best interests of the country, and 1126 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 5: we thought this was the right thing to do. So 1127 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 5: let's take a listen to Zuckerberg on Rogan. 1128 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 11: It's like, Okay, if someone has has spent a bunch 1129 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 11: of time, you know, searching for puppies, you know they 1130 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 11: like puppies, so if you show them a puppy video, 1131 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 11: they'll probably engage with that. But if you only show 1132 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 11: them puppy videos over the long term, you're missing an 1133 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 11: opportunity to understand what other things that they're interested in. So, 1134 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 11: even though it might not be kind of ideal for 1135 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 11: the experience today, carving off five percent ten percent of 1136 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 11: basically the experience to just try to expose people to 1137 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 11: different things to see if they if they're interested in 1138 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 11: that too, ends up paying long term dividends. So I 1139 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,920 Speaker 11: do think that like these systems done well, if you 1140 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 11: design them with a long term perspective and you're not 1141 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 11: just trying to kind of maximize engagement today, but you're 1142 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 11: really trying to understand what people care about and who 1143 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 11: people want to become and what their values are. I 1144 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 11: think you can you can build some stuff that gets it, 1145 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,320 Speaker 11: that gets really good over time. But I do think 1146 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 11: that the design of the system and the values that 1147 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 11: go into it matters quite a bit too. 1148 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 5: So that was actually him talking about the way that 1149 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 5: Facebook and social media should be designed healthily. But in 1150 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 5: that Joe Rogan appearance, he also talked about how the 1151 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 5: FBI approached him. Trusted the FBI, and it wasn't that 1152 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,040 Speaker 5: they told him you must suppress the Hunter Biden story. 1153 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 5: He said that there was a lot of daylight between 1154 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 5: what Meta did and what Twitter did. At the time, 1155 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 5: he was sort of criticizing Jack Dorsey for brottling the 1156 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 5: New York Post link. I don't know if you remember this. 1157 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,840 Speaker 5: I remember going to DMS to. 1158 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 2: Took the New York Post accountdown. 1159 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 5: You could, so if this is genuinely the most orwellian 1160 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 5: thing I've ever experienced in this country. When you went 1161 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,560 Speaker 5: to send the link you copy paste the link into 1162 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,520 Speaker 5: a direct message, it would say, can't do it. I'm 1163 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,400 Speaker 5: just saying this, this won't work. Same thing. Yeah, it 1164 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,760 Speaker 5: was the same thing when you tried to post it. 1165 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 5: So that in and of itself was pretty interesting. But 1166 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 5: it's I think one of the big takeaways here. Jack 1167 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 5: Dorsey has also said that the reporting and the Twitter 1168 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:29,440 Speaker 5: files showed that Twitter was mismanaged under his leadership, He's 1169 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 5: agreed with a lot of the criticisms and the Twitter files. Basically, 1170 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 5: he's supported Elon Musk. Jack Dorsey said it was a 1171 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 5: mistake to throttle the link, and now it's like all 1172 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 5: of these regrets to look back, and I'm like, listen, 1173 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 5: a lot of people in the wrinner like this is 1174 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 5: too little, too late. I'm like, this is good. I'm 1175 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 5: so like the only the top line for me is 1176 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 5: that this is good. But our allergy to government censorship 1177 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 5: is kicking back in. I think that's a good thing 1178 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 5: that the antibodies and the American system say. I don't 1179 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,400 Speaker 5: care if I you know, Mark Zuckerberry is not like 1180 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 5: a Trump supporter, no matter if he's a sort of 1181 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,480 Speaker 5: Silicon Valley Nietzsche and Oligark, He's not a Trump supporter. 1182 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 5: And Jack Dorsey is certainly not a Trump supporter, even 1183 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 5: though he's been supportive of Elon Musk. But so these 1184 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 5: people saying your government should not be telling us what 1185 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 5: information can be disseminated, generally, that's a good thing. That's 1186 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,960 Speaker 5: a good thing. Apple ended up letting Parlor back on 1187 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 5: the app store, So you know, dust settled, and I 1188 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 5: feel like we actually came out on top. 1189 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 6: And hearing him talk about the Facebook algorithm is interesting 1190 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 6: from the perspective of what if you actually just showed 1191 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 6: people's stuff from the people you follow, your friends and family, 1192 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 6: and you showed your stuff to the people. 1193 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Who follow you. What about that? Can you imagine? So wild? 1194 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 6: Why did they make everybody jump through all these hoops 1195 01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 6: of friending people and listing the thing and actually listing 1196 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 6: the things that they like and subscribing to things that 1197 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 6: they like, and then they wrote an algorithm that says, actually, 1198 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 6: none of what you have told us is going to 1199 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,120 Speaker 6: be factored in in any significant way into our algorithm. 1200 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,680 Speaker 2: Instead, we're going. 1201 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240 Speaker 6: To just feed you stuff and see like a rat, 1202 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 6: which makes you click the fastest, going to your basest 1203 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,160 Speaker 6: human instincts the boom, rather than the things that you 1204 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,640 Speaker 6: consciously from your better self, Like, no, I want to 1205 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 6: keep up with what my aunt's up to, even if 1206 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 6: like I don't agree every single time, but I'm curious, 1207 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 6: Like what what's she up to? What's my cousin up to? 1208 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 6: They're like, no, you don't actually care about that. What 1209 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,000 Speaker 6: you really care about is, you know, seeing a seeing 1210 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 6: like a random fist fight, in Milwaukee. 1211 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,440 Speaker 9: So we're going to give you that Why Milwaukee, I 1212 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 9: don't know, why not Philly, Milwaukee suburbs, Hilly or yeah 1213 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 9: you want to see like Eastern Uh yeah, well I 1214 01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 9: never see anything from there. 1215 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 5: That's right, because even if you care about it, they 1216 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 5: know that they can. They're more likely to get you 1217 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:05,800 Speaker 5: to spend more. 1218 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 2: Time with somebody like jumping off a cliff or something. Yeah, 1219 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,080 Speaker 2: it's what is it? 1220 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 4: Like? 1221 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 2: Why you like, I'm so old. 1222 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 5: Actually do something real? But it's a pretty like just 1223 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 5: the all of this was written in a letter to 1224 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:27,880 Speaker 5: Jim Jordan. These major concessions. Interesting. So let's move over 1225 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 5: to France, where this isn't getting a ton of pickup 1226 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 5: in the American press, but an incredible And maybe it's 1227 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,080 Speaker 5: because the American press isn't as attuned to the like 1228 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 5: actual left. I don't know, because if you're on the 1229 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 5: actual left, the story is incredibly disturbing and validating as 1230 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,920 Speaker 5: to sort of the mushing neoliberal middle and their true 1231 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 5: their true allegiance to what do they say, lowercase de 1232 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 5: democracy and all of those things. Ryan, what on earth? 1233 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 5: We can go ahead and put this tear steet up 1234 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,840 Speaker 5: on the screen, This is from BBC ch Left backs 1235 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,640 Speaker 5: protests after Macrone rejects prime minister choice. What is going 1236 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 5: on behind that headline? 1237 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 2: So this is wild. 1238 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,080 Speaker 6: So let's explain to people how this fifth republic, this 1239 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 6: fifth French Republic works. 1240 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 2: So bab, They've got a president and a prime minister. 1241 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 6: The president is the kind of good looking guy you 1242 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 6: put out on the national international stage. Handles foreign policy, 1243 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 6: doesn't matter, if he's short, does not matter. The prime 1244 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 6: minister handles domestic affairs. Traditionally, they've always been from the 1245 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,360 Speaker 6: same coalition, the same party, basically because that's just how 1246 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,560 Speaker 6: it has worked out. They may have stumbled on a 1247 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 6: fatal flaw in their fifth Republican constitution. So in the 1248 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:53,439 Speaker 6: last election results, the far left finished first, the far 1249 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,880 Speaker 6: right finished second, and then McCrone and his center right 1250 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,200 Speaker 6: party finished third, and I guess you got some little 1251 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,600 Speaker 6: other part and then a bunch of like dregs, you know, 1252 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,960 Speaker 6: finishing after that. So you would think, okay, fair enough, 1253 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,720 Speaker 6: the far left gets to form a government and we 1254 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 6: go from there. Macron and the far right like, no, 1255 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,040 Speaker 6: we actually don't want to see that happen, and they 1256 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 6: have the power to stop it because the far left 1257 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,960 Speaker 6: did not win an absolute majority, and they don't have 1258 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 6: anybody forming one with them. So even so, if Macrone 1259 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 6: did appoint somebody from the far left to form a government, 1260 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,320 Speaker 6: the right and the center right and the rest of 1261 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 6: the dregs would immediately hold a no confidence vote and 1262 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,400 Speaker 6: oust the government. So he could do that, and in 1263 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,400 Speaker 6: Spain the king did that. They had like an eighteen 1264 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,439 Speaker 6: month stand off that was very similar to this one, 1265 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 6: and the king was like, okay, fine, you know what 1266 01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,560 Speaker 6: the right wing in this case was the right wing, 1267 01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,000 Speaker 6: the right wing one more votes but doesn't have a majority, 1268 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,200 Speaker 6: so fine, go ahead form a government and like backed 1269 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 6: off and let them try. Then they failed, and then 1270 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:13,600 Speaker 6: they let the center left former government. So Macron is 1271 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 6: not even allowing that. And so what the left said, Okay, fine, 1272 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,400 Speaker 6: you don't like us, you don't like our policies. And 1273 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 6: Macron has been very very clear it's we don't like 1274 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 6: I don't agree with your policies, your politics, like we 1275 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 6: don't want the left in charge. It's been very clear. 1276 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,120 Speaker 6: He's like, I don't care what the voters said. So 1277 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 6: they have said, Okay, here's this thirty four year old, 1278 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 6: unobjectionable woman who will be our prime minister and we 1279 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 6: will take zero cabinet positions. They're like, that's that's their 1280 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 6: concession to the fact that they did not win an 1281 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,640 Speaker 6: outright majority. And Macron's like, no, not good enough, not 1282 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 6: going to do that. And as we as we saw 1283 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 6: you put up this next element here he's as he's 1284 01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,479 Speaker 6: sitting down with the pen and saying, all right, who 1285 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 6: knows what he's talking about with La Penn and these talks. 1286 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 5: And the French left by the I was so concerned 1287 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,360 Speaker 5: that La Penn's party would do incredibly well and the 1288 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,640 Speaker 5: elections were in July would do so well that they 1289 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,200 Speaker 5: that's the bigger context us that they all formed a 1290 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,240 Speaker 5: coalition alliance, right, and. 1291 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,280 Speaker 6: That's defend off the fascists, right, exactly right. And so 1292 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 6: now Macron is like, well, let's sit down with fascists. 1293 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 6: And so you've got all these bizarre arguments where they're 1294 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,280 Speaker 6: saying the left doesn't deserve to govern because some of 1295 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,080 Speaker 6: the people who voted for the left weren't actually voting 1296 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,440 Speaker 6: for a left wing agenda. They were only voting to 1297 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:44,640 Speaker 6: block La Penn. So okay, a that's true. B Like 1298 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,120 Speaker 6: psychoanalyzing why somebody voted for somebody as ridiculous idea, they 1299 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 6: voted for them. See, that's the only reason anybody has 1300 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,960 Speaker 6: ever voted for Macron. So by Macrone's own reasoning, there, 1301 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 6: Macron is thoroughly illegitimate. 1302 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 2: Nobody has voted for Macrone. 1303 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,520 Speaker 6: In every every time he has won, he has won 1304 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,960 Speaker 6: because he's not La penn and and so and so 1305 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 6: here he is so now. 1306 01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 2: The way, So I talked to Art gold Hammer, who 1307 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,800 Speaker 2: we've had on the show before, who's a French. He 1308 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 2: lives in France. For American and lives in France. 1309 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:29,599 Speaker 6: He translated picketty he uh translated Tokeville is like he's great, 1310 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,000 Speaker 6: he's and he's like, I have no idea where this ends. 1311 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,640 Speaker 6: Usually he's like, here's where this goes from here, and 1312 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,400 Speaker 6: he's like it has the feel of the beginnings of 1313 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,080 Speaker 6: an extremely bitter divorce. 1314 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,040 Speaker 2: Like every like there's. 1315 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,640 Speaker 6: Absolutely no good faith among any of the parties. And 1316 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,479 Speaker 6: he's like it might be a fatal flaw that's in 1317 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,080 Speaker 6: the in the constitution. 1318 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,439 Speaker 2: Because there there. 1319 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,080 Speaker 6: Actually is no way out of so and to make 1320 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 6: people understand why this is happening now in this new 1321 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 6: era where we have kind of far left and far 1322 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,800 Speaker 6: right both rising for the entire history of the French 1323 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 6: Republican and this goes for other countries too. The dominant 1324 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,120 Speaker 6: parties or the center left and the center right, and 1325 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,479 Speaker 6: so I let's say this. Let's say Macrone's center right 1326 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 6: party wins the most votes, the center left wins the second, 1327 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,719 Speaker 6: and then the far left and far right are off 1328 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 6: in the background somewhere. The center right would then grab 1329 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,840 Speaker 6: a couple of little tiny parties from the far right 1330 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,040 Speaker 6: and they'd form a government. Center right wouldn't complain because 1331 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 6: they didn't win the election and they get to be 1332 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,240 Speaker 6: part of this governing coalition. 1333 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,760 Speaker 2: And in general, the voters. 1334 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,519 Speaker 6: Wouldn't complain because they'd say, okay, this is fair enough, 1335 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,800 Speaker 6: Like a majority of people voted either for a center 1336 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,720 Speaker 6: right or a far right government. Now, when the dominant 1337 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 6: polls are the far left and the far right, it's 1338 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,640 Speaker 6: not clear who the far left forms its coalition with, 1339 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 6: because okay, let's see say the far left forms its 1340 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 6: coalition with the center left. Who then is the prime minister. Well, 1341 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,040 Speaker 6: it would only be fair. It's just from the far 1342 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,680 Speaker 6: left because they won the most votes. But at the 1343 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,559 Speaker 6: same time, a majority of voters voted against. 1344 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:19,479 Speaker 2: The far left. 1345 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,000 Speaker 6: You know, let's say fifty five sixty percent wanted center 1346 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,800 Speaker 6: left over all the way to the right. So the 1347 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 6: center left party says no, Actually, if you want to 1348 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 6: represent the median voter, it should be us. But there 1349 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,400 Speaker 6: is no median voter anymore because you're using this old 1350 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:42,759 Speaker 6: spectrum rather than understanding than that. Actually you've got different 1351 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 6: wings of populism that are the overwhelming majority against the 1352 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,120 Speaker 6: kind of fading neoliberal elites, and so the old frame 1353 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 6: just doesn't work for the new politics. 1354 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,960 Speaker 5: It's so interesting you say that, because I was just 1355 01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 5: going to bring up this. I'm reading from this article 1356 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 5: kir Starmer doesn't understand populism because Kirre Starmer gave a 1357 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 5: speech this week that was described as quote gloomy by 1358 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 5: a lot of the press, and the author of this 1359 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,040 Speaker 5: article makes a really, really good point that actually really 1360 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,479 Speaker 5: the failure when Starmer was talking about quote the snake 1361 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 5: oil of populism in his speech, he's pinning all of 1362 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,240 Speaker 5: those riots, the Southport riots that we talked about a 1363 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,519 Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, on quote fourteen years of Tory failure, 1364 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 5: just pinning the blame on the Tories and this writer says, 1365 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 5: the public has a sense that the roots of our 1366 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,040 Speaker 5: national woes go much deeper, more than forty years of 1367 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,519 Speaker 5: a broken economic and social settlement, which we owe to 1368 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,559 Speaker 5: Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair, as well as their Eric 1369 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,040 Speaker 5: Gordon Brown, David Cameron, and Richie Sunek. The mantra there 1370 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,160 Speaker 5: is no alternative has produced decades of rampant economic and 1371 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,760 Speaker 5: social individualism dressed up as progress, when in reality we've 1372 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,280 Speaker 5: gained into liberal freedoms yet lost stability and common solidarity. 1373 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,640 Speaker 5: This is connected to what we talked about in the 1374 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,960 Speaker 5: first block of the show today about people like RFK 1375 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,240 Speaker 5: Junior and Telsey gab founding common cause with Donald Trump 1376 01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,519 Speaker 5: because he's somewhat heterodox in the Republican Party on particular issues. 1377 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,120 Speaker 5: You know how he uses government, et cetera. But still 1378 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,679 Speaker 5: not even that being the perfect marriage. Our categories don't 1379 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,800 Speaker 5: work anymore. They only kind of superficially ever did for 1380 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 5: the average voter, and everybody right now is just spinning 1381 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 5: their wheels and reeling to try and figure out the solution. 1382 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,400 Speaker 5: But people like Kires Starmer and Emmanuel Macron and arguably 1383 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,599 Speaker 5: Kamala Harris and maybe even to some extent, you could 1384 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,040 Speaker 5: say Donald Trump, they have no real idea how to 1385 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,599 Speaker 5: address this. And James Pogue wrote that story about Chris 1386 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,120 Speaker 5: Murphy for The New York Times. I don't know if 1387 01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,560 Speaker 5: you read about how Chris Murphy is genuinely trying to 1388 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,920 Speaker 5: figure out what Democrats can do to address some of 1389 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 5: the concerns that the New Right is tapping into. He's 1390 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,360 Speaker 5: like the only person in the Democratic Party other than 1391 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,559 Speaker 5: Roe who's like Rocano, well, he should talk to you. 1392 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 5: It was like actually seriously engaged in that project. You 1393 01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,479 Speaker 5: see basically none of that from the starmer Macron Harris 1394 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:01,519 Speaker 5: is of the world right. 1395 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:02,840 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. 1396 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,400 Speaker 6: And so the we can put up this third element 1397 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,520 Speaker 6: here from this McCrone ally. 1398 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,360 Speaker 2: Bayru or this is a great, great follow. 1399 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:14,920 Speaker 6: I don't have my glasses on, so I can't tell 1400 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,479 Speaker 6: exactly what has ad is, what he's arnold, but Tron 1401 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,000 Speaker 6: he's he's great on so much stuff. 1402 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,080 Speaker 5: What is he He's fantastic? It's are not bertrand so 1403 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,720 Speaker 5: r n A U D b E R t R 1404 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:26,160 Speaker 5: A n D. 1405 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,639 Speaker 6: And so he's talking here about how this macrone advisor 1406 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,759 Speaker 6: is just very explicitly saying that it's the left program 1407 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 6: that mcrone objects to, and that they that they as 1408 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,760 Speaker 6: the establishment elite, object to, and that they're going to 1409 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,479 Speaker 6: cling to power against against this, come hell or high water. 1410 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,479 Speaker 6: The fact that this is happening at the exact same 1411 01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,160 Speaker 6: time as they arrested the Telegram found the Telegram founder 1412 01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,880 Speaker 6: in Paris, I don't think is. I think it might 1413 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,280 Speaker 6: it's it might be a coincidence in the fact that 1414 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,320 Speaker 6: they're lining the events are lining up at the same time. 1415 01:13:54,360 --> 01:14:00,640 Speaker 6: But it's similar to the trends are similar. The establishmental 1416 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,000 Speaker 6: lead is going to need censorship and authoritarianism to kind 1417 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,720 Speaker 6: of lock down this, this this bubbling rise of populism. 1418 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 6: And so what Bayrou was arguing there is he's stating 1419 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,720 Speaker 6: a fact, which is that the left did not win 1420 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,840 Speaker 6: an outright majority. So but then he goes on, therefore 1421 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,160 Speaker 6: they should not be able to govern. It's like, but 1422 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,679 Speaker 6: whenever the center left or the center right one forty 1423 01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,920 Speaker 6: five percent of the vote, they were not told and 1424 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,439 Speaker 6: we're the leading vote getter by far, they were not told, oh, 1425 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,719 Speaker 6: you only want forty five percent, you don't get to govern. 1426 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,479 Speaker 6: If it's the center left, the left wing parties would 1427 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,040 Speaker 6: join with them, and they'd form a coalition. If it's 1428 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,160 Speaker 6: center right, the right wing parties would join with them 1429 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,439 Speaker 6: form a coalition. But the center is just is unwilling 1430 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,639 Speaker 6: to do that for either Paul right right and. 1431 01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,559 Speaker 5: So center left and center right too, whether it's Mitch 1432 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,200 Speaker 5: McConnell or Truck Shoomer. 1433 01:14:55,240 --> 01:15:00,240 Speaker 6: Right and so, although in our system they seem a 1434 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,200 Speaker 6: little bit more willing to do that, and also that 1435 01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,280 Speaker 6: our centers are holding better. Yeah, then well, maybe are 1436 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,200 Speaker 6: the center and the Democratic parties holding better than the 1437 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:10,400 Speaker 6: one in the Republican Party? 1438 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,639 Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I mean that's the question, is how much 1439 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,560 Speaker 5: longer does that last? I posed that question actually to 1440 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,880 Speaker 5: Rick MacArthur, who's the president of Harper's and publisher of Harper's, 1441 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,120 Speaker 5: because he wrote a story for Spectator World about how 1442 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,680 Speaker 5: Democratic elites have been able to control the party so 1443 01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,639 Speaker 5: well over the of course of the last several decades, 1444 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 5: and the Sun undercomits two where he's and he there 1445 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,679 Speaker 5: is such a difference between how Republicans totally lost control 1446 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,559 Speaker 5: when Donald Trump came along and Democrats fought Bernie Sanders 1447 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 5: tooth and nail in twenty sixteen were able to use 1448 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,000 Speaker 5: them the muscle of the DNC to shut down the 1449 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,120 Speaker 5: Sanders campaign or to hamper the Sanders campaign did it 1450 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,040 Speaker 5: again in twenty twenty by getting Peep Bida Judge and 1451 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,920 Speaker 5: Amy Klobachr to come together, and the Republicans had basically 1452 01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,400 Speaker 5: no ability to do anything about Donald Trump, whereas Demok's 1453 01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:04,519 Speaker 5: actually like like the DNC figured out how to muscle 1454 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,760 Speaker 5: him out of the picture and to get rid of 1455 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,120 Speaker 5: people like Marianne and TULSI just basically shut those campaigns down, 1456 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,640 Speaker 5: and I mean not shut them down, but hamper their 1457 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,160 Speaker 5: ability to be serious contenders. 1458 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,400 Speaker 6: It's a good segue into our next segment, which is 1459 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,799 Speaker 6: an interview with Independent Senate candidate Dan Osborne. 1460 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,120 Speaker 2: We don't know if this will be the independent that. 1461 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 6: Breaks through and becomes an actual senator, but I do 1462 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,840 Speaker 6: think it's going to happen, like over the next several cycles, somebody, 1463 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,599 Speaker 6: somebody's going to break through and do it. I mean, 1464 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,240 Speaker 6: obviously Bernie Sanders already did it winning as an independent 1465 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:45,360 Speaker 6: in Vermont in two thousand and six, but nobody else 1466 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,920 Speaker 6: has been able to do it since then. Well like 1467 01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,760 Speaker 6: right now, I'm not thinking of anybody who is like 1468 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:57,160 Speaker 6: a fake version of that. So anyway, up next Independent 1469 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,920 Speaker 6: Senate candidate Dan Osborne, who is pulling neck and neck 1470 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,439 Speaker 6: with the Republican in Nebraska on a class first message. 1471 01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,520 Speaker 6: Joining us now is Nebraska Independent Senate candidate Dan Osborne. 1472 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,080 Speaker 2: Dan, thank you so much for joining us. 1473 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,479 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me on. 1474 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,160 Speaker 6: And so we're having you on at kind of an 1475 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,120 Speaker 6: interesting time in your race now. Not only has your 1476 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 6: Republican opponent deb Fisher just been officially nominated to be 1477 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,679 Speaker 6: your only opponent, and I believe it's correct that there's 1478 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,080 Speaker 6: no Democrat running in the race, but you know, you 1479 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,479 Speaker 6: really got kind of rocketed to Nebraska stardom as the 1480 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 6: leader of this strike and the leader of the Kellogg's strike, 1481 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,000 Speaker 6: very successful strike three years ago. Seeing that Kellogg's is 1482 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,720 Speaker 6: now claiming it's closing its planned so can you can 1483 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,200 Speaker 6: you back up for people who aren't familiar with the 1484 01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,640 Speaker 6: with the Kellogg's story at all, tell us about your 1485 01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 6: eighteen year career there that led up to the strike 1486 01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,439 Speaker 6: and what the strike was over and where we are now. 1487 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,320 Speaker 13: Yeah, not that I'm really ever into correcting people, but 1488 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,479 Speaker 13: it was twenty years I. 1489 01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:12,400 Speaker 2: Spent there twenty years. Sorry, Yeah, no, no worries, those 1490 01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:13,519 Speaker 2: details matter. 1491 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,720 Speaker 13: Sometimes this one not necessarily, but yeah, I was a 1492 01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:24,040 Speaker 13: mechanic there for twenty years. Really, my origin story with 1493 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,360 Speaker 13: the union begins at COVID. You know, we all have 1494 01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,120 Speaker 13: our COVID stories, most of them not good. 1495 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:36,360 Speaker 4: But I was union president during COVID. We were working, and. 1496 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,400 Speaker 13: It's noteworthy to say that there's four North American plants 1497 01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,599 Speaker 13: under the umbrella of the master contract and we were 1498 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,960 Speaker 13: all working seven days a week, twelve hours a day 1499 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,040 Speaker 13: as essential workers. 1500 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,240 Speaker 4: During that time. Gellog's made record profits that year. 1501 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,880 Speaker 13: They went from well, it's noteworthy to say also we 1502 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:02,800 Speaker 13: kept all plants going hundred percent capacity, so they made 1503 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,120 Speaker 13: record profits. They went from nineteen billion to twenty one 1504 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,519 Speaker 13: billion dollars. The CEO gave themselves a two million dollar raise, 1505 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,639 Speaker 13: the board enriched themselves, the stockholders enriched themselves. In our 1506 01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:15,360 Speaker 13: contract expired that year. We figured it was going to 1507 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:16,559 Speaker 13: be a no brainer. We were going to get our 1508 01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,400 Speaker 13: little slice of the pie. But instead Kellogg sat across 1509 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,400 Speaker 13: the table from us on the first day they said, 1510 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 13: we're going to go out to your health insurance. We're 1511 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,360 Speaker 13: going to go out to your cost of living wage adjustment, 1512 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,840 Speaker 13: which was our only form of wages designed to keep 1513 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,680 Speaker 13: us even with inflation. 1514 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:31,960 Speaker 4: You know how that went. 1515 01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,839 Speaker 13: And we're going to implement a two tier wage system 1516 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,439 Speaker 13: with no path for a lower tier employee to move 1517 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,600 Speaker 13: to the upper tier. So essentially everybody is going to 1518 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:45,000 Speaker 13: be on the lower tier. So for me as president, 1519 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,920 Speaker 13: that was my old crap moment. There hasn't been a 1520 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,240 Speaker 13: strike in Nebraska since nineteen seventy two. 1521 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:50,920 Speaker 4: I had to learn what that meant. 1522 01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,200 Speaker 13: But we could not come to an agreement with Kellogg's 1523 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,280 Speaker 13: and so we shut down four North American cereal plants 1524 01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,160 Speaker 13: and we walked off. 1525 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,560 Speaker 4: The job preserve our wages and benefits. 1526 01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,479 Speaker 13: We all felt we were on the right side of 1527 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,759 Speaker 13: history on this, and I knew out on the picket 1528 01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,600 Speaker 13: line Democrats were going to come out and support a 1529 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,200 Speaker 13: labor because that's what they do. 1530 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,120 Speaker 4: But I was able to get two Republicans. 1531 01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,960 Speaker 13: One governor well one congress person to come out to 1532 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,519 Speaker 13: the picket line and one governor to draft a letter 1533 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,759 Speaker 13: on our behalf to send it to the CEO imploring 1534 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,720 Speaker 13: him to get our people back to work. But we 1535 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,320 Speaker 13: were on strike for seventy seven days and we got 1536 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,639 Speaker 13: a favorable contract. But I stood up for the people 1537 01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:38,719 Speaker 13: when we felt we were getting wrong. But the Kellogg's 1538 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,880 Speaker 13: announced that they're closing the plant Omaha on twenty twenty six, 1539 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,839 Speaker 13: and a lot of people online, a lot of keyboard 1540 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:52,360 Speaker 13: cowboys and cowgirls online blaming me in particular, but the 1541 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:58,000 Speaker 13: union for that closing. Well, there's also three other plants 1542 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,000 Speaker 13: in the network in North America that are under the 1543 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,760 Speaker 13: same master contract that get the same wages and the 1544 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,679 Speaker 13: same benefits. But they only announced Almaha. But two years 1545 01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,280 Speaker 13: is a long time. A lot can happen. I have 1546 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,000 Speaker 13: a good feeling that this is not going to occur 1547 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,680 Speaker 13: the way they are saying it's going to occur. This 1548 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:21,040 Speaker 13: could even just be a negotiating tactic by Kellogg's to 1549 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,240 Speaker 13: try to get the Union to take concessions. We'll see, 1550 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 13: But again, two years is a long time. 1551 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,439 Speaker 2: Is any of it political? Do you think? Then they 1552 01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:38,360 Speaker 2: announced this closure two years later to try to torpedo you. 1553 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,559 Speaker 4: You know, I thought about that, and you know. 1554 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,280 Speaker 13: I appreciate the thought that I'm somebody special enough for 1555 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,000 Speaker 13: a corporation to announce a plant because of one guy. 1556 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,559 Speaker 4: And so no, the answer is absolutely. 1557 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,200 Speaker 5: Well, let's put this element up on the screen. These 1558 01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,280 Speaker 5: are the polls from five point thirty eight. Obviously, it's 1559 01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,200 Speaker 5: incredibly difficult for an independent candidate to pull as closely 1560 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:05,680 Speaker 5: as you are coming in. This is a u go 1561 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,439 Speaker 5: of poll you can see right there at the top 1562 01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,320 Speaker 5: from five thirty eight, collection of polls, five hundred registered voters, 1563 01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,080 Speaker 5: and it finds dead Fisher up. By the way, she's 1564 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,400 Speaker 5: running for her third term, right, so she's been in 1565 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,800 Speaker 5: office since twenty twelve. She's up by two points in 1566 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,040 Speaker 5: that UGO poll. I imagine that's within the poll's margin 1567 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,680 Speaker 5: of air forty one to forty three percent. You're at 1568 01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,240 Speaker 5: forty one, she's at forty three, and. 1569 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,240 Speaker 6: You've got that deb Fisher pole that has yes just 1570 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:31,400 Speaker 6: absolutely crushing you. 1571 01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, she has a poll out that has her up 1572 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,479 Speaker 5: twenty six. But then there was a poll from your 1573 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,000 Speaker 5: camp that find you guys tied. And these are all 1574 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,120 Speaker 5: since the last thing that we mentioned are since July. 1575 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:47,519 Speaker 5: So the polling is showing a competitive independent candidacy, there's 1576 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,479 Speaker 5: no question about it. So my question for you is 1577 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,680 Speaker 5: why run as an independent? A lot of people who 1578 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,000 Speaker 5: are aligned with labor jumping as Democrats obviously, so I imagine 1579 01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,880 Speaker 5: some of our viewers outside Nebraska who aren't super familiar 1580 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:04,599 Speaker 5: with this race might say, why be independent here, why 1581 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,719 Speaker 5: not just go with a Democratic party. What's your answer 1582 01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,680 Speaker 5: to that, and how do you sort of describe your 1583 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 5: own politics? 1584 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,720 Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I became an independent in twenty sixteen. I 1585 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,160 Speaker 13: became disenfranchised with a two party system. I see this 1586 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,719 Speaker 13: huge divide that is being created, seemingly both sides catering 1587 01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,280 Speaker 13: to their extremes and leaving people I feel like me 1588 01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,240 Speaker 13: out of the middle, Like there's nobody like me in 1589 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,240 Speaker 13: the United States Senate, and by that I mean less 1590 01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,160 Speaker 13: than two percent of our elected officials in both the 1591 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,720 Speaker 13: House and Senate come from a working class. I get 1592 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,439 Speaker 13: frustrated when I see their corporate agendas. For example, ninety 1593 01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:53,840 Speaker 13: percent of deb Fisher's campaign funds come from corporate super PACs. 1594 01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,040 Speaker 13: But we're being different. I'm not taking any corporate money. 1595 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,559 Speaker 13: I don't want to be beholden to corporations elected. I 1596 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,160 Speaker 13: don't want to be beholding to a party boss if elected, 1597 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,920 Speaker 13: I want to be beholden to the people of Nebraska 1598 01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,920 Speaker 13: who elected me. Because that's the way the framers of 1599 01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,240 Speaker 13: the Constitution set this whole thing up right, a government 1600 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,679 Speaker 13: for and by the people, it's. 1601 01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,600 Speaker 4: Not a government for the one percent in corporations. 1602 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,439 Speaker 13: And that's where you know, when I do deep dives 1603 01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,360 Speaker 13: into our government and our politicians, that's my findings. 1604 01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,040 Speaker 4: So I want to be different and I want to 1605 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,439 Speaker 4: I want to bring it back to the people. 1606 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,960 Speaker 6: And what what is deb Fisher won by in the past, 1607 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,439 Speaker 6: and what does a typical Republican win by statewide in general? 1608 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,719 Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, she's never really had any competition either 1609 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,479 Speaker 13: in the primary by I think design parties like to 1610 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,160 Speaker 13: uh support their incumbents, which I completely understand that. And 1611 01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,280 Speaker 13: you know here in Nebraska, it's a red state. It's 1612 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:59,479 Speaker 13: very conservative values here, and I believe she wins by 1613 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:00,960 Speaker 13: she wins by large margins. 1614 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,679 Speaker 5: Trump went by with about sixty percent of the vote, 1615 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,120 Speaker 5: and twenty and find got about forty percent. 1616 01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,600 Speaker 6: So yeah, so so how do you how do you 1617 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,680 Speaker 6: thread how do you thread the cultural conservative conservatism of 1618 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,880 Speaker 6: Nebraska versus any any impression that you're like, you know, 1619 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,240 Speaker 6: I'm sure they're trying to saddle you with this is 1620 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,360 Speaker 6: actually he's actually a liberal right now in independence clothing here. 1621 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,200 Speaker 6: So what what messages are you finding are resonating? Where 1622 01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,639 Speaker 6: do you come down on the kind of general kind 1623 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,919 Speaker 6: of social conservative spectrum of questions. 1624 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,120 Speaker 13: Sure, and you know dev Fisher is going to paint 1625 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 13: me as a Democrat in chief's clothing, because you know, 1626 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,280 Speaker 13: that's probably what I would do if I was heard too. Right, 1627 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,679 Speaker 13: I'm running against a Republican. There's no Democrat in the race, 1628 01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,719 Speaker 13: so it stands to reason she's going to. 1629 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,439 Speaker 4: Paint that picture. But I've never been able to put. 1630 01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:57,880 Speaker 13: Myself in a tidy, little blue or red box. I've 1631 01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:02,720 Speaker 13: always felt like I like things from both parties. But 1632 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,439 Speaker 13: what's differentiating me from being a Democrat or being a 1633 01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,840 Speaker 13: Republican is you know, my core message, and my core 1634 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,720 Speaker 13: message is we have to get corporations out of our politics. 1635 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,280 Speaker 13: We have to have corporate or excuse me, we have 1636 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,519 Speaker 13: to have a campaign finance reform. We have to end 1637 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,599 Speaker 13: things like Citizens United. We have to get the corruption 1638 01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,080 Speaker 13: and the money out of our politics in order for 1639 01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:33,040 Speaker 13: it to be this sound entity that is mostly free 1640 01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:37,920 Speaker 13: from corruption. Again, we're being different. I'm not taking corporate money. 1641 01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,360 Speaker 13: My average donations thirty five dollars. We've raised two point 1642 01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:45,479 Speaker 13: three million, So this campaign, excuse me, it's truly powered 1643 01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,240 Speaker 13: by the people. But where I lean towards the right 1644 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,840 Speaker 13: would be. You know, we do have to have a 1645 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,280 Speaker 13: secure border, and we have to do it yesterday. 1646 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,519 Speaker 4: Both parties are to blame. They keep kicking the can 1647 01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:57,120 Speaker 4: down the road. 1648 01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,880 Speaker 13: I mean, we haven't had any meaningful border or immigration 1649 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,519 Speaker 13: reform for that matter, in a very long time. And 1650 01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,560 Speaker 13: also we have thirty four trillion dollars in debt. You 1651 01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,600 Speaker 13: can place the blame on both parties for that, and 1652 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:19,680 Speaker 13: many administrations adding six seven billion dollars or trillion dollars. 1653 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:20,719 Speaker 4: To the national debt. 1654 01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,080 Speaker 13: So we have to do things like hold the Department 1655 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,120 Speaker 13: of Defense accountable for passing audits. 1656 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:28,599 Speaker 4: Things like that. 1657 01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,080 Speaker 13: And we have to hold corporations accountable for when they 1658 01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:37,160 Speaker 13: start price gouging and grocery stores for jacking prices up 1659 01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,160 Speaker 13: one thousand percent. These are the things that I think 1660 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,400 Speaker 13: we need to do because we're all hurting. 1661 01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:42,960 Speaker 4: I'm hurting. 1662 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,720 Speaker 13: I'm a steam fitter for a living now. I got 1663 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:50,200 Speaker 13: fired from Kellogg's after the strike. But you know, these 1664 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,880 Speaker 13: are the things that are taking money out of our 1665 01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:56,000 Speaker 13: wallets at a time where we're all hurting. So that's 1666 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,799 Speaker 13: kind of where I set myself apart. 1667 01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:03,480 Speaker 5: And Bernie Sanders sort of famously independent from Vermont obviously, 1668 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,160 Speaker 5: but caucuses with Democrats or has long caucus with Democrats. 1669 01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,400 Speaker 5: And some people didn't even know that Bernie Centers was 1670 01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,760 Speaker 5: actually an independent because he went for execut rand of 1671 01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,080 Speaker 5: the Democratic presidential primaries, caucused for years with Democrats. So 1672 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,080 Speaker 5: do you have plans for how you might approach the 1673 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,000 Speaker 5: caucusing question should you be elected to the Senate. Do 1674 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,360 Speaker 5: you have plans to caucus with Republicans, with Democrats or 1675 01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,960 Speaker 5: just not caucus with either party? 1676 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,519 Speaker 4: Sure? I do have a plan for that. 1677 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:35,200 Speaker 13: And George Norris was the last independent senator from Nebraska. 1678 01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,800 Speaker 4: He's from the Cook Nebraska. 1679 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 13: He would he actually set up the non partisan unicameral 1680 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,000 Speaker 13: that we enjoy in Nebraska today that I think Washington, 1681 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,519 Speaker 13: d c. Could take a few notes from. But his 1682 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,640 Speaker 13: last term he did not caucus with anyone. And you know, 1683 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,920 Speaker 13: there's nothing in the Constitution or anywhere written that says 1684 01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,720 Speaker 13: you have to People will tell me, oh, well, you'll 1685 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,559 Speaker 13: never get a committee assign I meant, if you don't 1686 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,280 Speaker 13: choose to caucus, I would like to challenge I would 1687 01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:10,160 Speaker 13: like to challenge the entire system. Deb Fisher early on 1688 01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,400 Speaker 13: called you know, dismissed us, and she's refusing to debate 1689 01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,600 Speaker 13: because she says, oh, this is just a political science experiment. 1690 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,080 Speaker 13: And I was like, yes, that's exactly what I am 1691 01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:24,800 Speaker 13: and what is and you know, guess what else is 1692 01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,280 Speaker 13: a political science experiment in the United States of America. 1693 01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,400 Speaker 4: Are a declaration of independence our constitution. That's a political 1694 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,479 Speaker 4: science experiment. And I think it's done pretty well. 1695 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,400 Speaker 13: But I would like to challenge the system, not caucus 1696 01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:44,160 Speaker 13: with anyone, but if I feel like the people because 1697 01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,040 Speaker 13: I want to deliver for the people in Nebraska at 1698 01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:47,880 Speaker 13: the end of the day, and if I feel like 1699 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,680 Speaker 13: I'm failing at trying to buck the system, depending on 1700 01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,840 Speaker 13: who how the House is set up, how the Senate 1701 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,600 Speaker 13: set up, who's the president, there's a lot of different scenarios. 1702 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,680 Speaker 4: I'm going to have to make a decision on who 1703 01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,479 Speaker 4: to caucus with. 1704 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,760 Speaker 13: And I will caucus with somebody if again, if the 1705 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,479 Speaker 13: people in Nebraska are suffering, but it's going to have 1706 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,679 Speaker 13: to be a choice to made who I can best 1707 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,599 Speaker 13: deliver for Nebraska at that time. 1708 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:15,599 Speaker 6: If there was a bill that came to the Senate 1709 01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,160 Speaker 6: floor that would codify Roe v. Wade, would you vote 1710 01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,879 Speaker 6: to support that and how big an issue are abortion 1711 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:26,280 Speaker 6: rights in the Nebraska Senate races fairly conservative state, but 1712 01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,679 Speaker 6: then again abortion rights triumped in nearby Kansas. 1713 01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:32,040 Speaker 4: Correct, it did. 1714 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:37,840 Speaker 13: And it is also about initiative in Nebraska, as is 1715 01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:43,680 Speaker 13: the legalization of medical cannabis is going to be on 1716 01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:49,719 Speaker 13: the ballot as well. And you know, I always divert 1717 01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,080 Speaker 13: back to the Constitution of the United States and the. 1718 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,160 Speaker 4: Founding fathers and how they envisioned the country. 1719 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,400 Speaker 13: And they envisioned the federal government take care of the 1720 01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:01,439 Speaker 13: big stuff, the economy, the border affairs, things like that, 1721 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,880 Speaker 13: And I don't think the United States government should be 1722 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,879 Speaker 13: meddling in our personal affairs, whether that's at the doctor's 1723 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,240 Speaker 13: office or our bedrooms. 1724 01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:16,040 Speaker 4: I truly believe that. And so you know what I 1725 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:21,040 Speaker 4: codify Roe v. Wade. You know that goes that boils 1726 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,040 Speaker 4: down to also. 1727 01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,639 Speaker 13: The federal government should be taking care of our individual liberties, 1728 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,519 Speaker 13: right the Second Amendment, things like that, and so I 1729 01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,559 Speaker 13: believe that does fall under the category of an individual liberty. 1730 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,479 Speaker 13: Look in my own personal life, I'm on a percent 1731 01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,760 Speaker 13: pro life. I would never advocate for anyone that I 1732 01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,680 Speaker 13: know or love to have that procedure. 1733 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:46,360 Speaker 4: But if I also know that I'm a male. 1734 01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,720 Speaker 13: And I don't have a womban I would never advocate 1735 01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,559 Speaker 13: for women to have that choice. And I know pregnancy 1736 01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,280 Speaker 13: is a very difficult thing and that it does need 1737 01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,320 Speaker 13: to be available for women who need that procedure because 1738 01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,400 Speaker 13: it could be life threatening. So you know, it's a 1739 01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,600 Speaker 13: very polarizing, a very difficult subject to talk about, but 1740 01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:11,920 Speaker 13: ultimately I would I would side on a woman being 1741 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,320 Speaker 13: able to choose for her own body. 1742 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,240 Speaker 2: What about the medical marijuana one? How are you going 1743 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:16,760 Speaker 2: to vote on that? 1744 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,320 Speaker 6: I didn't realize that was up, But how does Nebraskan 1745 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:20,880 Speaker 6: not have yet have that yet? 1746 01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:27,680 Speaker 2: Come on, guys, well, I met the woman who. 1747 01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,240 Speaker 13: Is leading that ballot initiative, and she has a son 1748 01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,960 Speaker 13: that has a condition that it would totally benefit from 1749 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:41,120 Speaker 13: being able to give him THC to not have massive seizures. 1750 01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,479 Speaker 13: And so the fact that you know she doesn't have 1751 01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,760 Speaker 13: this medicine, and I'm going to call it medicine because 1752 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,360 Speaker 13: ultimately that's what it is. In this case, she doesn't 1753 01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,920 Speaker 13: have this medicine available to give to her son. And 1754 01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,040 Speaker 13: if she goes out and gets it through other means 1755 01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,599 Speaker 13: and gives it to her son, the state can take 1756 01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:57,679 Speaker 13: her son away from her. 1757 01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:02,240 Speaker 4: This is this is absurd. So absolutely, I'm going I'm 1758 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,120 Speaker 4: going to vote for that. 1759 01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,479 Speaker 6: Well, I guess last question, have you have you endorsed 1760 01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,360 Speaker 6: a presidential candidate, because I assume that you're hoping that 1761 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,320 Speaker 6: they're a decent number. I mean, you can't win in 1762 01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,759 Speaker 6: Nebraska if there aren't a decent number of Trump Osbourne voters, 1763 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,280 Speaker 6: people who vote for Trump and then vote for Osbourne. 1764 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,880 Speaker 6: How are you How are you approaching the presidential. 1765 01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I approach it. 1766 01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,800 Speaker 13: I tell people, Look, I will work with whoever the 1767 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:35,160 Speaker 13: president is. And since I've been doing this and speaking 1768 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:40,320 Speaker 13: to people who are one hundred percent pro Trump, and well, 1769 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:42,920 Speaker 13: I'll go back to an event I had. 1770 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,360 Speaker 4: An alliance in Nebraska. It's on the western end of 1771 01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:47,800 Speaker 4: the state. 1772 01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,200 Speaker 13: There was about seventy five people at this event at 1773 01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,439 Speaker 13: a VFW, which. 1774 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,000 Speaker 4: I'm a member of. 1775 01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,120 Speaker 13: But I had a guy come in wearing a Maga 1776 01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,439 Speaker 13: hat an open Cary pistol. I had people there with 1777 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:04,120 Speaker 13: right and with Biden T shirts, you know, so it 1778 01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,880 Speaker 13: was a very eclectic group of folks and uh, you know, 1779 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:12,679 Speaker 13: we had great conversations and uh, both riding with Biden 1780 01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,880 Speaker 13: T shirt and both Mago opencerry hat guy they left 1781 01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,160 Speaker 13: with Osborne Yard Science. Because my message is simple, we 1782 01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,200 Speaker 13: need to get back to working together. 1783 01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,679 Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, I'm not red, 1784 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:25,679 Speaker 4: I'm not blue. 1785 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,479 Speaker 13: We're all This is going to sound really cheesy, but 1786 01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:29,839 Speaker 13: we're all red, white, and blue. 1787 01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,440 Speaker 4: Right, We're we're Americans. 1788 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,439 Speaker 13: Uh, and we need to and we need to act 1789 01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,439 Speaker 13: as such, and we need to start to come back 1790 01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,400 Speaker 13: together and stop this this silly arguing. 1791 01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:42,759 Speaker 4: And this the bud that's been created. 1792 01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,880 Speaker 13: And uh, that's again that's my message, and it's and 1793 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,840 Speaker 13: it's getting corporations again out of our politics, getting the 1794 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:52,680 Speaker 13: money out of our politics, stop. 1795 01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:53,920 Speaker 4: This corruption that we're seeing. 1796 01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,960 Speaker 13: I want to be different, and that's that message is 1797 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,560 Speaker 13: really resonating with both conservatives and liberals. 1798 01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,679 Speaker 4: So I have I have pictures with my Osborne sign. 1799 01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,880 Speaker 13: Out in front of a Trump tent that they were in. 1800 01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,160 Speaker 4: I believe it was Boone County, Nebraska. 1801 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,200 Speaker 13: Out of affair there they put my sign out in 1802 01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,880 Speaker 13: front of the trunk tent and I see my sign 1803 01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,719 Speaker 13: next to Harris signs. 1804 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:20,960 Speaker 4: So I love it. I Uh. 1805 01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,880 Speaker 13: That's the whole message of this campaign is let's just 1806 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,080 Speaker 13: let's just be one people again. 1807 01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:31,120 Speaker 2: Hmm all right. Well, Dan Osborne, Navy veteran steam fitter, 1808 01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:35,080 Speaker 2: union leader and independent Senate candidate in Nebraska, thanks so 1809 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,720 Speaker 2: much for joining us. Really appreciate it. 1810 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,200 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate you. 1811 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,439 Speaker 2: You've got it. Take it easy, Emily, What do you 1812 01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:44,280 Speaker 2: think he has your vote? 1813 01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,000 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't love dub Fisher, so. 1814 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,640 Speaker 2: I'm not zero people love that fish. I mean her 1815 01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,040 Speaker 2: family loved well. 1816 01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:56,040 Speaker 5: I think she's probably been good to some particular industry 1817 01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:57,400 Speaker 5: in Nebraska. I'd have to like, go. 1818 01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,439 Speaker 2: Back surance industry. 1819 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:02,040 Speaker 6: I think that's the other think Nebraska is a it's 1820 01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,200 Speaker 6: not just culturally conservat it's actually kind of a corporate 1821 01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:06,920 Speaker 6: state too, because there's a lot based on a were 1822 01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,559 Speaker 6: in Buffett, the insure and then there's the insurance industry there. 1823 01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,720 Speaker 2: So the anti corporate. 1824 01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,400 Speaker 5: Ag there's a lot of stuff out there. 1825 01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:15,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, consolidated, big age. 1826 01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,280 Speaker 6: The anti corporate message is going to run up against 1827 01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,960 Speaker 6: some people are like, hey, wait a minute, we're a 1828 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:22,840 Speaker 6: corporate state here. 1829 01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,680 Speaker 5: Well no, I mean it's it's it's so interesting and 1830 01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,760 Speaker 5: it's like we weirdly didn't even plan for this, but 1831 01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,760 Speaker 5: this turned into like a realignment themed edition of Counterpoints, 1832 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,479 Speaker 5: because this kind of goes with every black Like we 1833 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,080 Speaker 5: started talking about our kid and Tulsi like not having 1834 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,800 Speaker 5: a lot of luck in the third party lane or 1835 01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,280 Speaker 5: in the independent lane or in the like populist dem lane. 1836 01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,960 Speaker 5: They talked about how that's going in France, the. 1837 01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,280 Speaker 6: Weird journey of Zuka all throughout, all throughout his realignment. 1838 01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:50,799 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just up to Nebraska. 1839 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,640 Speaker 5: The most interesting part of that, actually, I thought was 1840 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:59,439 Speaker 5: his answer on row that one seemed like I just 1841 01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,040 Speaker 5: got the sun that he felt that was the toughest one. 1842 01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,400 Speaker 6: And he game, yeah, I'm sure it is, because on 1843 01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,400 Speaker 6: the one hand, I bet the ballot measure in Nebraska 1844 01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,280 Speaker 6: will pass so. 1845 01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,960 Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know, But what do you think? 1846 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,160 Speaker 6: I don't know how close you've followed the like how 1847 01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,560 Speaker 6: you because it passed in Kansas? 1848 01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,519 Speaker 5: Right well, But his version of and soccer talks black 1849 01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,000 Speaker 5: is a lot. But his version of like live and 1850 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,680 Speaker 5: let live libertarianism is really popular with Americans. And that's 1851 01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:32,040 Speaker 5: sort of what some of these like pro abortion activists 1852 01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:35,080 Speaker 5: have tapped into in places like Kansas, is like libertarians 1853 01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,720 Speaker 5: for choice, like those types. 1854 01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,600 Speaker 2: Of groups, you don't want to vaccine mandate. 1855 01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,160 Speaker 5: Get right like they're they're doing, like they're really being 1856 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:46,439 Speaker 5: smart about how they're pitching this stuff in ads to voters. 1857 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:50,000 Speaker 5: And so that his answer in that I think was 1858 01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,559 Speaker 5: trying to channel that sentiment. And it's so interesting how 1859 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,360 Speaker 5: he's coded and said I'm pro life. I think he 1860 01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:58,200 Speaker 5: said I'm one hundred percent pro life when you asked 1861 01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,719 Speaker 5: him that. But he's also coded as a hardcore labor leader. 1862 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,519 Speaker 5: I don't know anybody else who really brings those two 1863 01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,680 Speaker 5: things together, because even Donald Trump would never say that 1864 01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,240 Speaker 5: he was one hundred percent of pro life. I mean, 1865 01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,960 Speaker 5: I doubt he would, you know, say it like that. 1866 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,360 Speaker 5: But he's, you know, not great on labor. We don't 1867 01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,680 Speaker 5: really know what we actually do. You know, bring in 1868 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,519 Speaker 5: the CEO of Eggsun and statementation and just you know, 1869 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,519 Speaker 5: let things go. But gets so rare that you get 1870 01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,160 Speaker 5: a combination that's as stark like that. 1871 01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,760 Speaker 6: And we'll see if it reverts to the partisan mean 1872 01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,840 Speaker 6: an he winds up losing by seven eight points, or 1873 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,440 Speaker 6: if he ends up kind of shocking people. 1874 01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,160 Speaker 5: A lot of money's going to come in for deub Fisher. 1875 01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure, yes, that's true. 1876 01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,439 Speaker 6: I wonder it's a it's kind of a catch twenty 1877 01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:46,200 Speaker 6: two because I think Democrats, even though I think Democrats 1878 01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,760 Speaker 6: are pretty confident, he would caucus. 1879 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,479 Speaker 2: With them if it meant giving them the majority, you know. 1880 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:53,799 Speaker 5: Pro life or caucusing with them in the Senate. 1881 01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:57,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, although who said he would vote to codify ROS 1882 01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:02,400 Speaker 6: That's how I read his answer. But will Democrats spend 1883 01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,600 Speaker 6: money on his behalf or maybe then, because then it 1884 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,200 Speaker 6: makes him look like a Democrat? Yeah, and his and 1885 01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:15,120 Speaker 6: Democrats are fatally existentially unpopular in rural areas, and I 1886 01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,120 Speaker 6: think just giving up is actually small. 1887 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:18,760 Speaker 5: Including Tim Walls by the way, if you look at 1888 01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:23,160 Speaker 5: his marvell. Yeah, so this is a really important race 1889 01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,240 Speaker 5: to follow. And maybe I'm a softy, but I just 1890 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,840 Speaker 5: love like that story he said about the rydeing with 1891 01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,920 Speaker 5: Biden and the open carry guys both leading, leaving with 1892 01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,240 Speaker 5: his yard signs and then being able to just talk 1893 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,599 Speaker 5: about this stuff is awesome. I think that's great. 1894 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,720 Speaker 2: I wonder where that Ryde with Biden T shirt is. 1895 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,599 Speaker 5: We gotta get you one put on the show. 1896 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,040 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll buy that guys stuff it into your fish 1897 01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:44,639 Speaker 2: water bottle. 1898 01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,200 Speaker 5: All right, Well, we will be back if you're a 1899 01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:50,960 Speaker 5: premium subscriber, on Thursday evening with a truly incredible debate 1900 01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,960 Speaker 5: about our Cage Junior featuring Michael Tracy and somebody who 1901 01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,200 Speaker 5: was a field organizer for our FK Junior's campaign, Jeff Hunt. 1902 01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,320 Speaker 5: So that's on Thursday night. 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