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Speaker 1: The role of analytics in this draft is fascinating to me.

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Speaker 1: and maybe the increased role of analytics as they've moved

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Speaker 1: already had been going down this path. How have you

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Speaker 1: guys not coined minks incessant tinkering with mock draft minkering,

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Speaker 1: that's what it should be now on it's I've been

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Speaker 1: winkering regardless of what happens to Jude. And you also

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Speaker 1: have Bowser who's going into the last year of his contracts,

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Speaker 1: So pass rusher is going to be a need and

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Speaker 1: bigned next year. So maybe that's something that they do.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the last lounge. I hope you all had

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Speaker 1: a good and safe weekend. I Garrett promise myself that

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Speaker 1: too busy tinkering with my mock draft till eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Do you have all nine picks out like you have

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Speaker 1: a framework? Are you still just because here's the thing

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Speaker 1: that I always struggle with with a mock draft. If

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna make a pick beyond just the first round,

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman in the second round. And also, if

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Speaker 1: you think, I don't, I don't think that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the beginning and really kind of start fresh. I got

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Speaker 1: them all. I have nine picks penciled in. Now I

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Speaker 1: emphasized penciled in because we all know how this works.

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Speaker 1: I actually got a great tweet. Uh, where is this

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Speaker 1: tweet here? I'm gonna find it is from Blake at

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Speaker 1: Fuzzy Dunlop said, how have you guys not coined the

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Speaker 1: minks incessant tinkering with mock drafts? Minkering as well, that's

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Speaker 1: what it should be. That's from now on, it's I've

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Speaker 1: been Minkering. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I know, obviously

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Speaker 1: you know some of the guys I'm gonna take. As

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned multiple times on the podcast, um that I've

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Speaker 1: comes back to, in my mind, in the first round,

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Speaker 1: that kind of makes things easy. That kind of just

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Speaker 1: just kind of simplify things. If you don't take the

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Speaker 1: much more complicated and kind of interesting. I've got a

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Speaker 1: And and I'll say this because I already know your

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Speaker 1: ain't making it, not making it. So you're gonna pick him,

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and pick him, and you can be wrong,

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Speaker 1: but he's not making it. Okay, what about your boy

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Speaker 1: Labisco Chanel not making it? So I'm not taking him either. Wow,

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Speaker 1: and and and what about what about my guy Robert Hunt? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: that's my guy in the round. Here's after today we

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Speaker 1: are no longer. I'm I'm banning this from the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am banning discussion and claim to certain players because

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Speaker 1: now that that clouds the mock draft. What always happens.

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Speaker 1: This happened two years ago. I loved Orlando Brown, wanted

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Speaker 1: much conversation around all. I love Orlando Brown, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: But if we have overlapped, then that's okay. No. This

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Speaker 1: I've been doing a draft deep dive on PFF that

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Speaker 1: the right time for some minkering the seven round mob this,

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Speaker 1: God bless the seven round mocks because I'd be lost

426
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Speaker 1: in the seventh round. And this isn't just this isn't

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Speaker 1: just a raven seven round mack. This is all ticks

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Speaker 1: or whatever. That's correct. Yes, and thank God, because I'm

429
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Speaker 1: always like, all right, I'm in the seventh round. Yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: I want a corner defensive back. Let me just go

431
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Speaker 1: pull up one of the seventh round Max and get

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. So this this comes in. Who's

433
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Speaker 1: the writer here is this? Dame brew is Dame Brugler

434
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Speaker 1: And at he has the Ravens selecting linebacker Zack Bond

435
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Speaker 1: out of Wisconsin, which is becoming a little bit more

436
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Speaker 1: of a popular pick. Daniel Jeremiah had him in his

437
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Speaker 1: most recent mock draft also, And this this takes me back, Grett,

438
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Speaker 1: to a mail bag that we did a few weeks ago,

439
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Speaker 1: back when you're still in the office, in which the

440
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Speaker 1: question was like, what do you guys think about Zack

441
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Speaker 1: bad and the Ravens taken? And basically my answer was, nah,

442
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Speaker 1: just happening. The analysis was like, he just doesn't feel

443
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Speaker 1: like the picture. The analysis was so bad. It was

444
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Speaker 1: honestly like one of the worst answers I've ever given

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Speaker 1: on on mail bag. I was just like, it's not

446
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Speaker 1: He's not going to be the guy. But I don't

447
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Speaker 1: know why, Like, it just didn't feel like a match.

448
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Speaker 1: I don't think it like his name. Do you not

449
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Speaker 1: like the name zat? Yeah? I mean, how's he spelling

450
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Speaker 1: so the K or the H? I think it's the

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Speaker 1: k um No. I just felt like and it's kind

452
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Speaker 1: of something once again that we talked to each other

453
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Speaker 1: too much. Sometimes these guys that are a tweener, you

454
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Speaker 1: like him in one respect because they have versatility. And

455
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Speaker 1: I do think that the NFL, and especially on defense

456
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Speaker 1: and especially with Mike Marketdale. You know, positionless football is

457
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Speaker 1: the new in vogue thing, right. It's it's players that

458
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Speaker 1: can come from They can you can blitz the safety,

459
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Speaker 1: you can you know you can. They can play so

460
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Speaker 1: many different roles. Chuck Clark can drop down, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: in in in the box and play linebacker basically, right,

462
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Speaker 1: And that versatility I think is valuable. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Zach does. But then you're also like, well, what does

464
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Speaker 1: he do really well? You know, And maybe the answer

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Speaker 1: with Zack is he just does a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: Really well, I mean he was very effective. We want

467
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Speaker 1: to go back to PF PFF love this guy as

468
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Speaker 1: just an edge rusher, just purely as an edge rusher. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and he really got after it in his past season. Um.

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Speaker 1: Now people are talking well as the better fit kind

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Speaker 1: of inside a little bit more a lot of comparisons

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Speaker 1: to Kyle van Noy, the former New England Patriot who

473
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Speaker 1: just signed a mega deal with the Miami Dolphins. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, in that he can just play a variety

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Speaker 1: of different roles, just a good football player. So I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of coming around on Zack Bond and it's a K,

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Speaker 1: So I'm cool with the K. Yeah. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that sometimes you it's easier to get a little bit

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Speaker 1: enamored with the guys who jump out from the very start,

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Speaker 1: the linebackers, the big play receiver who everyone likes to

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Speaker 1: talk about, the skill positions. Like I even go back

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Speaker 1: and we've talked about the Marlin Humphrey draft and how

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Speaker 1: how did everyone miss that one that was so obvious

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Speaker 1: and everyone just missed it? Even go back further go

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Speaker 1: to the Ronnie Stanley draft and at number six, I

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Speaker 1: think the feeling that a lot of people had, myself

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Speaker 1: included was I don't think it's gonna be Ronnie Stanley.

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it's six it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley because I felt like at the time, most

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Speaker 1: of the draft analysts had Larmie Tunsil Ronnie Stanley, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, are you are you gonna be in

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Speaker 1: a draft where you have the six pick for like

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Speaker 1: the first time ever and you take the second best

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Now, first of all, uh, running, Stanley has

495
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Speaker 1: been better than Landry Tunsil. So that analysis was wrong

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Speaker 1: at that time, and and so but little that came

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Speaker 1: out on draft Day that was a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an impact. Well, sure, no it was. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: even even beyond that video, Um, Stanley has just been

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Speaker 1: a better player. Oh yeah, yes, I mean Stanley was

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Speaker 1: the best left tackle in football. Yeah. So, but like,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I just felt like, he's the second

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Speaker 1: best offensive lineman. You're not gonna take him at six.

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna be the pick. That's not exciting. And

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Speaker 1: then they took him, and it's been a great selection.

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Speaker 1: It's been a great and maybe you know, even at

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Speaker 1: the time, there was criticism that the Raven should have

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Speaker 1: traded up, and I think you can make a case

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Speaker 1: that they made the right thing not trading up Jayalen Ramsey. Right.

510
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Speaker 1: So all of that said just to get to the

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Speaker 1: point that maybe you look at his Bond and you

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Speaker 1: don't think that, oh man, he's you don't look at

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Speaker 1: him as this is a tremendous pass rusher or or

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a great cover guy. To your point,

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Speaker 1: he just does a lot of things really well. Um,

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Speaker 1: but that might be a really good pick, like that's

517
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Speaker 1: a that's a good thing to get a to get

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Speaker 1: a really solid starter at that spot at number twenty eight. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I think too. I wonder about his size

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Speaker 1: for playing just inside linebacker, you know, I mean six

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Speaker 1: to sixty eight. Well, he's bigger than a Keen Davis

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Speaker 1: gaither Is. I mean, what's Patrick Queen, Patrick Queen? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they're right, they're around Patrick Queen is probably

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Speaker 1: less than two thirty eight. He but that's that's the

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Speaker 1: thing about Bond. He's bigger. Patrick Queen is six. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bawn is But but Bond. Putting Bond as an edge

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Speaker 1: player like that is a tough You have him going

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Speaker 1: up against an offensive tackle. That's a tough assignment for

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Speaker 1: a guy who wages two and yeah, what what is uh,

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Speaker 1: what's von Miller's size? Von Miller's way bigger than that six.

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Speaker 1: That's what he came out into the draft as, not

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Speaker 1: significantly a little bigger. Yeah anyway, Um, yeah, we're sitting

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Speaker 1: here compared in Zack on the von Miller. Uh. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of come around. I might have to deal

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Speaker 1: a little minkering here my aft. I'm kind of feeling

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Speaker 1: a little minkering with my first round pick. Garrett. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is something we're gonna have to ask Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: about because we have Jeremiah who's doing the podcast later

539
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Speaker 1: this week. Also, we're hitting the NFL Network grounds this week.

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Speaker 1: We also have a podcast interview with Good Morning Football's

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Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger. Um, so it'll be good to talk with

542
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Speaker 1: both of them about what they think the Ravens are

543
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: gonna do and what they think makes the most sense,

544
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Speaker 1: uh in this year's draft. Well, they just had they

545
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Speaker 1: just had a joint mock draft and Schreeger went with

546
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Speaker 1: you tour Gross Matos out of Penn State, who we

547
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Speaker 1: haven't spent a ton of time. He was kind of

548
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Speaker 1: an early discussion. But he does he fall into that.

549
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's more of a traditional he's a more

550
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Speaker 1: of a traditional pass rusher than to move him all

551
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Speaker 1: over the place. Um, but is that one of those

552
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Speaker 1: guys that is flying out of the radar and we

553
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: you know you need a pass rusher. Uh, Judean is

554
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: a franchise tag at right now. He's so that's the

555
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Speaker 1: most likely scenario, But maybe you're thinking about a long

556
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Speaker 1: term answer at that position. Even if regardless of what

557
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Speaker 1: happens to Judean, you also have Bowser who's going into

558
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Speaker 1: the last year of his contracts. So pass rusher is

559
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Speaker 1: going to be a need both. If it's not this year,

560
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a need, big kneed next year. So

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Speaker 1: maybe that's something that they do well. And here's the

562
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Speaker 1: thing with your turkosmatis that makes me, once again I

563
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Speaker 1: kind of put him in the bond category because he

564
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Speaker 1: was a guy that, like people, a lot of analysts

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Speaker 1: didn't do you hear that crying by the way in

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Speaker 1: the background of I don't Oh, I got a kid

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Speaker 1: wailing upstairs. God bless my wife. At this very moment,

568
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing it. Um, yeah, he was just your twur

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Speaker 1: Grosmatos was just a player that, like the analysts didn't

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Speaker 1: seem super excited about, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like and this is again, it's just emotional.

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Speaker 1: When you're getting ready to make a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: You're like, I want somebody that people are jacked up

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Speaker 1: about like that, and and and it's kind of why

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Speaker 1: I hesitate to take a first round offensive lining because

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Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, and uh and I think

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Speaker 1: your tur Grosmatos is the same way. And Jeremy, you know,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Teremiah's previously said like you know, whenever you see that.

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Speaker 1: The more I watched the tape, the more I like

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Speaker 1: this guy that really is code language for the first

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Speaker 1: side turned on the tape, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: and so you know he's growing on me. Oh really, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's great, right right. Um So I kind of have

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Speaker 1: the same feeling by proxy. You know, but I've watched

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Speaker 1: my my old bomb just bombs, productions, hairs highlights all that,

586
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Speaker 1: and um, you know, and I talked about his back

587
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Speaker 1: story before, I mean tragedy for his kid's life. He's

588
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Speaker 1: a kid from Maryland Southern Maryland. Um, so is he

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Speaker 1: another guy that we're just sleeping on potentially? So I

590
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Speaker 1: think the three guys that I would put in that

591
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Speaker 1: category are of what you're sort of talking about. I

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Speaker 1: would they're all defensive players. I would put Bond Grossmatos,

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Speaker 1: and I would put Epinezza there. Yeah, yeah, Epeneza. I

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Speaker 1: had him penciled in here at one point of this

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Speaker 1: nine run nine round uck draft here, nine rounds this

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Speaker 1: year hit all nine? Hey, Eric sis an old school draft?

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Speaker 1: How many rounds did there used to be? Back or

598
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Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah, exactly old school draft. Alright. Anyway, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll uh, we'll talk to Schrager and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah about all that when we have them on the

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Speaker 1: podcast later this week. If you have questions that you

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Speaker 1: want us to ask them, let us know. Email us

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Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Um,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from you guys, and we will

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00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: let make go deal with that crying baby that he's

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Speaker 1: he's got upstairs. Wait wait, wait before I go, because

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00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: you know I'm I'm not in any rush. Take our

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Speaker 1: time a little bit here. What do you think of

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Speaker 1: Lamar's new tattoo. I think it's cool. Yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get the same one. I don't think I could pull

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Speaker 1: it off quite as well. I don't think that will

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Speaker 1: look quite as good on me. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's cool. What do you think I like the Raven's wings. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the Here's I like the Ravens wings too. Here's

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00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: the thing though, he's really going all in on Truss

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Speaker 1: instead of trust. Well he trademarked Truss. Yes, that's just

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. Even if you look at him on

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Speaker 1: social media, the way he spells things like he takes.

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Speaker 1: He changes the s to a z now on everything

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Speaker 1: a lot of times. Interesting. Keep an eye on that zoo.

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Speaker 1: Look it's Lamar Jackson. I don't know if he's done that,

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Speaker 1: but keep an eye on the Truss. Yeah. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: everybody get ready for the draft. The NFL just released

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Speaker 1: how you can watch it. It's kind of a joint

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Speaker 1: effort here between ABC, ESPN, and the NFL network. It's

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Speaker 1: all gonna be coming through uh one, one kind of

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Speaker 1: portal there for you. Uh And and Roger supposedly is

628
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Speaker 1: gonna be making picks from his basement just like where

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this for my basement, so that'll be kind

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Speaker 1: of fun. But anyway, uh, the draft is upon us, people,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you stay tuned in that. Like we said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Peter Scheger on Wednesday for you, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Daniel Jeremiah on Friday, so make sure

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