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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists. Thank you was always so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. We are returning with a classic episode for

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Speaker 1: this week. We're going back to kim trails. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, our long standing situationship with kim.

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Speaker 2: Trails one of the first videos we ever made, baby boo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Matt, can you break down for us

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Speaker 1: the difference between a chim trail and a con trail?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Contrails are the things that jet engines make that airplanes

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Speaker 2: you see up in the sky when they're flying through

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Speaker 2: and you see a little white wispy thing behind that plane.

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Speaker 2: That's a contrail. It has to do with moisture getting

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Speaker 2: condensed really hard, basically creating little clouds that are in

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Speaker 2: the form of a line that traces the plane. But

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Speaker 2: what's a chemtrail?

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Speaker 1: Ooh, It's kind of the same thing, but it includes

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Speaker 1: allegedly very evil chemicals, could be biological warfare, could be

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Speaker 1: meant to poison a population physically or even mentally.

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Speaker 2: Right, WHOA Does this have something to do with cloud seating?

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Speaker 1: It should, because we are doing a cloud seating update

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Speaker 1: later in the year. What we found back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: Matt and I were looking into this. We discovered that

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Speaker 1: chemtrails as a concept, they get dismissed a lot by

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Speaker 1: current scientific thoughts, but they were real for a time

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Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. As we discovered in this episode,

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Speaker 1: the British military did drop thousands of kilos of chemicals

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Speaker 1: ond unknowing civilians in British territory, especially around Salisbury in Wiltshire, Cardington.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing my best to say it without anything other

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Speaker 1: than American accent. It was zinc cadmium sulfide and the

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Speaker 1: idea was that this was harmless. It was a war

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Speaker 1: game to figure out what would happen if the Russians

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Speaker 1: started dropping some party farts over the people.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, how would air currents make that stuff travel

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Speaker 2: over the United Kingdom? What parts would be the most affected?

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Speaker 2: That kind of thing, and it's an interesting thing to

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Speaker 2: revisit Right now. I'm looking at an article in the

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Speaker 2: Guardian talking about geoengineering experiments that are going on right

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Speaker 2: now that the UK government is backing.

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Speaker 1: Those folks, they get into all kinds of wacky adventures.

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Speaker 1: Here's what that we found out about. We're trying not

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Speaker 1: to be disturbed by it, but I think You're right.

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Speaker 1: It does have resonance.

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Speaker 2: And let's see what we found out way back when

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Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracy. History is

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Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 4: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul mission controlled Decan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. We wanted to start

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Speaker 1: the show today. You know, we always usually do a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a check in, but we wanted to

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Speaker 1: start the show today with a bit of a state

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Speaker 1: of the union. As you and millions of other people

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Speaker 1: hear this show today, you odds are you are listening

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Speaker 1: to it while you are bunkered away somewhere, possibly self isolating,

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Speaker 1: And we want you to know that the four of us, Noel, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Matt and myself are doing the same. This is our

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Speaker 1: first episode that we're recording remotely.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's true, Ben, Are we allowed to spoil what's

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Speaker 3: going on?

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Speaker 2: With you right now?

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Speaker 3: Or is this just for us?

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Speaker 1: Please feel free? Feel free?

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Speaker 3: Well be not only are we seeing each other for

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Speaker 3: it's a real virtual screen. Ben is wearing something of

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Speaker 3: a costume today and I'm quite enjoying it. Slash terrified

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I just want to describe Ben's situation a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Ben, stop me if it's too much. In

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Speaker 2: the shot of Ben, we've got a lucidor mask that

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Speaker 2: It looks epic. He's got his headphones on behind him,

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Speaker 3: Matt, did you leave out the Bapha met altar on

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Speaker 2: That's just that's just the way my office looks.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no I was talking about Ben's baffa met altar.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I wanted to describe everybody's set up here. So Noel,

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Speaker 1: Noel is by a windows, got a lovely You're you're

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Speaker 1: a bit of a connoisseur of art, So Nol's got

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Speaker 3: And that is a jazz a master? Oh yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: And let's pass it to Let's pass it to perhaps

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Speaker 1: the third and most mysterious bunker. Natt, you look like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a window open and I've turned off

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Speaker 2: all electrical devices i possibly can, because in testing my

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Speaker 2: And I've never really attempted to use one of these

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Speaker 2: On one extra thing is I always turn my head

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Speaker 2: out to Tay Sunday. All right, let's do this, you guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's by the way, we need to just again, Ben,

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Speaker 2: We really are thinking about each and every one of you,

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Speaker 2: going through, what you're having to do to stay safe

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Speaker 2: and protect everybody else. Sometimes right now feels scary. I

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Speaker 1: Well said, Well said, And we want to hear from you, folks.

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Speaker 1: So we've given you a brief update on our bunker situations.

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Speaker 1: So we'd love to hear updates from your neck of

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Speaker 1: the Global Woods. If you want to send us a

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Speaker 1: give us your observations, reach out, feel free to We're

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Speaker 1: this pandemic occurring. Together. We have more coming regarding the

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Speaker 1: into something largely unrelated. KIM trails? Are they real? Buddy?

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Speaker 3: Okay, First off, we need to differentiate between some pretty

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Speaker 1: Before, right, you've seen it before. But many of your

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Speaker 1: able to successfully inquire with the government about the possible

437
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Speaker 1: detrimental effects.

438
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Speaker 2: And before we you know, we kind of conclude here

439
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: there's there's another experimentation that calls back to just this

440
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: concept of putting out weird agents or clouds of terrifying

441
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: things to test both how the air is going to

442
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: disperse them, you know, in whatever else, whatever other parameters

443
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: are being tested there. There's an instance from nineteen fifty

444
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: two where on the on the west coast of Scotland

445
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: there was a cloud of bacteria, not just any bacteria,

446
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: not like the ones that were released into the London underground,

447
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: literally plague bacteria. A cloud of it that was released

448
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: to see essentially to test again, like in all these instances,

449
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: what happens to this stuff when it just goes into

450
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: the air, Where does it go? What happens to it? Well,

451
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: there was a fishing fishing boat that happened to travel

452
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Speaker 2: through this cloud of freaking plague bacteria. It's a vessel

453
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Speaker 2: full of fishermen. They just went right through it, and

454
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: there was this horrible, you know, feeling in the pits

455
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Speaker 2: of the stomachs of the people experimenting that Oh wow,

456
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: let's see, I wonder if any of those guys are

457
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: actually going to get plague. Ben I don't know if

458
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: you read about this one, but it was just really

459
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: really creepy to think that unknowingly you could drive your boat,

460
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: your ship that has a bunch of just working class

461
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: people through a cloud that ends up being plague.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The same reports confirmed that the government was dispersing

463
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: anthrax like, not an inert chemical, actual anthrax, and they

464
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: were doing this not just off the Scottish coast but

465
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Speaker 1: also all around the Caribbean, and that even in the

466
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: highest halls of UK government there was tacit approval. So

467
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: people may have had plausible deniability, but they knew what

468
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: was going on and they let it happen again for

469
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Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades.

470
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Speaker 2: And just one other quick thing here. It's noted in

471
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Speaker 2: both the Independent and I believe in the Guardian newspaper

472
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Speaker 2: that the Bahamas, the territory of the Bahamas, was seen

473
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Speaker 2: by a lot of the scientists performing these kinds of

474
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Speaker 2: tests as the absolute best place to carry out these

475
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Speaker 2: kinds of surface tests without any kind of restriction. Just

476
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: be aware of that.

477
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Speaker 3: And was there something that was particularly appealing about these

478
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Speaker 3: tropical climates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things. First, just the environment, given

480
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Speaker 1: that it had enough similarities geographically, if not climate wise,

481
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: it just had enough geographic similarities to the United Kingdom,

482
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Speaker 1: which again is you know, a collection of archipelagoes. So

483
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Speaker 1: this is a good way to see how something how mass,

484
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Speaker 1: with a huge coastline could be affected by maritime dispersal.

485
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Speaker 1: That's why it's off the coast instead of you know,

486
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Speaker 1: on the on the land.

487
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Speaker 2: In those experiments, and just to give a little bit

488
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Speaker 2: of clarity there about the Bahamas, it was this is

489
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Speaker 2: a quote from The Independent, It was an uninhabited island

490
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Speaker 2: in the Bahamas. In the sea near that uninhabited island,

491
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Speaker 2: so it wasn't you know, necessarily directly on up the

492
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Speaker 2: population of the Bahamas where people are living, but it's

493
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Speaker 2: still very close and with all of the winds that

494
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Speaker 2: that are happening out there, you know, you can pretty

495
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Speaker 2: much predict the weather. Ben But what's the quote we

496
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Speaker 2: always like to use about the weather. The meteorologists are

497
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Speaker 2: oh alchemists.

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Speaker 1: No, Well, it's yeah, you're right, though, especially in that case,

499
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: they were not working super hard to do their due

500
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: diligence about whether people would be endangered. The specific stuff

501
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: they deployed was venezuelan equine encephalitis in that uninhabited island

502
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Speaker 1: in the Bahamas. This kills donkeys and horses, but it

503
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: can also kill human beings and it can be spread

504
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: by mosquitoes when they bite the horses or the donkeys.

505
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: This is an addition to by the way G series

506
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: nerve agents that was deployed in Nigeria that can do

507
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: things like cause loss of certain bodily functions. If you survive,

508
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you'll have long term neurological damage, psychiatric disorders. And then

509
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: of course we mentioned the Bacterium bacillis globe bygi gloebig.

510
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely certain on that that can also cause

511
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: fevers occasionally fatal. This is heavy duty stuff. This was

512
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: not you know, we can't size this enough. This was

513
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: not like silly string they were spraying around or fabreeze

514
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: or something, neither of which are sponsoring the show. This

515
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: was These were weapons of murder potentially. And you can

516
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: say that this was a scenario to figure out how

517
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: it would spread during an attack from an antagonistic force,

518
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: but the reality of the matter is it was not

519
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: a dry run. The idea that we're doing this for

520
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote defense falls far short of justifying what actually happened.

521
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Speaker 1: So this all means that, yeah, in a way, kem

522
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: trails were very very real at least if by kem

523
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Speaker 1: trails we mean the concept of illegal and dangerous aerosol dispersals.

524
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Speaker 3: Well, you certainly don't need a weather man to know

525
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: which way the eastern eck wine encephalitis blows. It's well,

526
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Speaker 3: it's whichever way the wind blows. I guess that's that's

527
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: upsetting though, But yeah, I guess I guess we can

528
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Speaker 3: put that.

529
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Speaker 2: One to bed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, like when when we talk

531
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Speaker 3: about chem trails, though, I think the the the big

532
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: picture thinking behind them as a conspiracy is largely still

533
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: kind of you know, the jury is out. If not,

534
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: it feels entirely debunked. This is a very specific instance

535
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Speaker 3: where it's something that we could absolutely classify as a

536
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Speaker 3: chemical dispersement at high altitude. But what we think of

537
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Speaker 3: as being chem trails as like the kind of holy

538
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: grail of conspiracy theory circles. I think we're all still

539
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: in agreement, is U is a bit spurious?

540
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Speaker 1: Yes, right, So when when people say chem trail, you know,

541
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Speaker 1: like you said, no, they're thinking big picture, often about

542
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: what looks like a con trail. However, this at this

543
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: high altitude disbursement did occur. We know it occurred multiple times.

544
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Speaker 1: We mentioned seven hundred and fifty times, but the full

545
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: extent of the test in these programs exceeded went into

546
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Speaker 1: the thousands, isn't that right, Matt?

547
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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, at least according to the latest the latest

548
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: numbers from professor Schmidt's research that we mentioned earlier. The investigation,

549
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Speaker 2: orly his investigation as of I believe twenty fifteen, was

550
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: that when this was yeah, July twenty fifteen, when this

551
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: article in the Independent was written, he is believing that

552
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: up to thirty thousand secret chemical warfare substance experiments were

553
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: carried out, and most of that was occurring at the

554
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: facility or the area we're referring to called Port and

555
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: down where there are British soldiers being experimented on specifically.

556
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Speaker 1: Right, So the seven hundred and fifty number is the

557
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Speaker 1: is the piece of the pie that applies to the

558
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Speaker 1: public so far as we know. Yeah, And this means that,

559
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: like so many of the modern conspiracy theories, in this

560
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: our new age of folklore, there is a grain of

561
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: truth here. There is a seed of fact in this

562
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: or a spray of fact. If we want to be

563
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: real jerks about our language. This is only one example

564
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Speaker 1: of government doing this. Of course, as we've mentioned, the

565
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: United States has done multiple experiments like this. We haven't

566
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Speaker 1: dived into it yet, but we haven't dove into it yet,

567
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Speaker 1: But I would be incredibly surprised if the USSR or

568
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: the FSRS is called now was not doing the same

569
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Speaker 1: thing at some point. At this point, here in twenty twenty,

570
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: members of the UK public, including retired members from military service,

571
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: are still pushing for further investigation. In a way, again,

572
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: it's similar to Agent Orange allegations. But what do you

573
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: all think? I mean, this has proven this actually happened.

574
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Is this the whole dirty story now finally revealed or

575
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: is there more to it? In other words, is this

576
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: the tip of a biological warfare?

577
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: Iceberg?

578
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: It's a really tough thing to wrap your head around

579
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: knowing that, in a way, wherever you live, your government

580
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: may see to it that their experiments either on you

581
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: or you know, your friends, your family, your neighbors. Somewhere

582
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: within you know, a short drive of where you live,

583
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: there could be experimentation occurring on the people, the moms

584
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: and dads and sons and daughters and all of that

585
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: it's a really tough thing to know that, and it's

586
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about today. It's cold war time. Most

587
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: of this occurred, correct me if I'm wrong here, Ben,

588
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Speaker 2: But during cold war times where there are how no

589
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: matter how warm they are, there are threats, There are

590
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: outside threats, and these you know, governments are attempting to

591
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: stay abreast of situations, stay ahead of technologies, and germ

592
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: warfare is one of those things, and many times that

593
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: is to make sure we know what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: if we When I say we, I mean if our

595
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Speaker 2: population gets hit by this type of germ warfare, what's

596
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Speaker 2: it going to look like? How could we respond to it?

597
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: And maybe that's giving a little more of a benefit

598
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Speaker 2: of the doubt to the situation. I don't know. The

599
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: one thing I would want to add here at the

600
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Speaker 2: end is to caution yourself when thinking about this kind

601
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Speaker 2: of stuff and then perhaps applying it to our current

602
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: situation with the novel coronavirus and with COVID nineteen. I

603
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: can't sit here and tell you that there isn't some

604
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Speaker 2: other reason behind the release of this, but I also

605
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Speaker 2: would say it's very unlikely that it's any kind of

606
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: attack right.

607
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Speaker 3: Right likely, But I think viscerally we can understand the

608
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Speaker 3: threat and the feeling associated with, like what it would

609
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: be like to be a victim of someone knowingly doing

610
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: something like what we're experiencing right now right I mean,

611
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Speaker 3: I think, like psychologically that is something that is very

612
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: unsettling thinking about, you know, what, what it would take

613
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Speaker 3: for someone to have that little disregard for human you know,

614
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Speaker 3: life and human sanity to do something like that, knowing

615
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: how isolated and scared everyone is right now with this

616
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Speaker 3: current situation. That's I think that's that's that's what that's

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Speaker 3: where my mind goes. Not that our situation right now

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Speaker 3: is in some way some version of this. It's more

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Speaker 3: just the psychological, you know, fallout of dealing with a

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Speaker 3: situation like this.

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Speaker 1: I am a tip to agree. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: that's an important point. But we would be remiss if

623
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Speaker 1: we didn't, if we didn't hit that point, and if

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Speaker 1: we didn't Also note, we're going to have some more

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Speaker 1: updates on COVID nineteen coming. A lot of people on

626
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: Twitter and various platforms have asked to hear a bug

627
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: out Bag specific episode. I would recommend we're going to

628
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: do one specifically on bug out bags and how to

629
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: get out of areas if you need to, and you

630
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: don't need to yet as a matter of fact, please

631
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: stay indoors, as they say on Mitchell and Web. But

632
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: we have to point out we have to point out

633
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Speaker 1: this the idea that COVID nineteen could have been manufactured.

634
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Speaker 1: It's been floated by a bunch of different different entities

635
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: and institutions, including members of the Chinese the Chinese government,

636
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: but these still remain conspiracy theories. It's similar to the

637
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: idea that HIV was purposely create, created to weed out

638
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: some specific part of the global population. These would be

639
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: terrible weapons to choose for that. I think we said

640
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: this in our earlier COVID episode because although it spreads quickly,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't It doesn't behave the way that a bio

642
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: weapon ideally would behave. And if you wanted to make one,

643
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about at length in another episode, if

644
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: you wanted to make one and you actually tried, you

645
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: would do a much better job than COVID nineteen. This

646
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: is still dangerous, but it being dangerous, I think the

647
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Speaker 1: scariest part of it is that it had a natural origin.

648
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Speaker 1: It did not take human intervention to make it as

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00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: much of a threat as it is today. And to

650
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: the point about misinformation, please please please, when you're out

651
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: there on the internets, when your relatives are sending you

652
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: posts from someone they heard from Facebook or something, please

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Speaker 1: politely ask for source. Because misinformation and panic are as

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Speaker 1: contagious as a pandemic. They're a pandemic all their own.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with asking people for that kind of

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Speaker 1: source if they say something that you know feels weird.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, Matt Nol, you guys have noticed it

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Speaker 1: seems like everybody's got a cousin who somehow works at

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon nowadays.

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Speaker 3: Right, Sure, it feels that way. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: would say even when it comes to positive news, you know,

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Speaker 3: because nothing is worse than false hope. And there might

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Speaker 3: be some people that would disagree with me, But it

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Speaker 3: feels like the way the UH not to get too

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Speaker 3: political with the way the administration is handing with us

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Speaker 3: right now, it's a little off in that there are

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Speaker 3: some claims being thrown around that don't have sources to

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Speaker 3: back them up, or that have kind of anecdotal sources,

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Speaker 3: folks that get their news from certain locations and from

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Speaker 3: these press conferences will be largely disappointed and when when

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Speaker 3: they find out this is not, in fact what it

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Speaker 3: was set out to be. And the idea of availability

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Speaker 3: of masks and availability of relief and ships that are

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Speaker 3: coming to people's rescue in New York and California, we've

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Speaker 3: yet to see those things come to fruition. And there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of overpromising and under delivering. And I would

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Speaker 3: caution people to, you know, temper expectations in that respect too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, don't you know, feel hopeless. But let's just

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Speaker 3: be realistic.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a light comment here really quickly, and

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Speaker 2: I promise everybody we're gonna wrap up, Noel as you

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Speaker 2: were talking. I don't know if you noticed, but which

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Speaker 2: cat is that? Ben?

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Speaker 1: That is doctor Venkman.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Vankman in the background has been quietly giving these

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Speaker 2: cute little yows, and Ben, wearing his lucid or mask,

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Speaker 2: has been trying to get doctor Vankman to be quiet.

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Speaker 2: And the image Ben is one of the cutest, funniest,

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Speaker 2: weirdest things that I've experience in a while, and I

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Speaker 2: just want to thank you for lightning my day, lighting

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Speaker 2: my day a little bit. And while NOL was like,

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Speaker 2: while Knowle is talking about all the crazy misinformation that

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Speaker 1: This point, Yeah, I appreciate that. I guess I won't

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Speaker 1: put them in the cat gulag just yet. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's always weird when you start working with a new producer.

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Speaker 1: Right to that point though, about the danger of this

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Speaker 1: positive stuff, this false hope it's true, you know, as

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Speaker 1: there have been US government officials who have said I

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Speaker 1: believe it was US government who have said kakammy things

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Speaker 1: like just put air from a blue dryer up your

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Speaker 1: nose and you'll be fine. And there are people selling,

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Speaker 1: you know, flim flam and wu wu kind of cures.

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Speaker 1: If something sounds too good to be true, the unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: the unfortunate fact of the world in which we live

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Speaker 1: is that it's because it is un true. So well said,

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Speaker 1: we also want to know what you think, folks. Thank

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, I love your show. I just want to

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Speaker 5: say thank you. I'm calling I just got done listening

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Speaker 5: to the Here Do we Have Enough for Everyone podcast

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Speaker 5: in Cato and you're talking about the coronavirus and I

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Speaker 5: just wanted to add that my significant other. She is

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Speaker 5: a registered nurse we have outside of Milwaukee. That's not

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Speaker 5: all the information I want to you know, let you

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Speaker 5: care of one of the three patients that is infected

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Speaker 5: Uh not, I mean, you know, compromised, very healthy, and

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Speaker 5: Just just wanted to say that, you know, all these

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Speaker 5: this gentleman is, you know, may or may not lose

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Speaker 5: his life, so maybe a lot of people take it

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Speaker 1: It's it's unfortunately a common tale that's happening in the

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Speaker 1: United States more and more often. In the past few

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Speaker 1: weeks and days, people who would seem to be otherwise healthy,

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Speaker 1: would seem even to be outside of the target demographic

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Speaker 1: for for COVID cases requiring hot hospitalization are falling one

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Speaker 1: after another into hospitals. Just a few days before we

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Speaker 1: recorded this In fact, a twelve year old child here

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Speaker 1: in here in Atlanta, Georgia was hospitalized with what was

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Speaker 1: originally diagnosed as pneumonia and then later realized to be

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. So this is affecting everybody. To your point, caller,

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Speaker 1: this is also affecting millennials as well. Just because you

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Speaker 1: are say twenty five years old or under sixty three

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Speaker 1: or something, it does not make you immune and it

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Speaker 1: does not mean that you should be playing around. Is

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Speaker 1: that about the size of it.

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Speaker 3: It's one of these things too, where I mean, the

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Speaker 3: story just keeps evolving, where you know, one minute it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: don't take ibuprofen, and then it's like Ibuprofen's fine, and

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Speaker 3: one minute it's like, you know, people with that are

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Speaker 3: viral load, is one thing that I saw reported. So

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Speaker 3: that's the reason it's so scary right now, is because

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Speaker 3: people don't know who has it, who doesn't have a

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Speaker 3: gather on enough tests, and potentially folks that are asymptomatic

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Speaker 3: are like, you know, acting as super spreaders because they

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Speaker 3: think they're all hunky dory. So it's just the kind

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Speaker 3: of story that just keeps evolving and without becoming a paranoid,

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Speaker 3: you know, news freak. I think it's important that we

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on it and just do our part

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Speaker 3: and do not play around, stay stay home.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, one hundred percent, one million percent. Actually, if we're

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Speaker 1: going to violate the rules of math there, we are

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Speaker 1: also just like you individuals, so you can you can

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Speaker 1: find us on the internet outside of our show. This

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Speaker 1: is one of This is the first pandemic in our

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Speaker 1: hyper connected age, so we are, like many people, using

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Speaker 1: we can't physically be together. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 3: You can check me out exclusively on Instagram where I

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Speaker 3: am at how now Noel Brown. I have a cat too,

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Speaker 3: a tail less cat named Fernando, who isn't quite as

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Speaker 3: fluffy and cute as Ben's cats, but really has his moments,

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Speaker 3: and you might see him pop up on all my

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Speaker 1: A great Fernando's Great aka Robert. He's a cat with Moxie.

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Speaker 2: You can hear the dogs barking in my neighbor's yard

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Speaker 2: on my storyless Instagram account. Matt something underscore, Frederick, iHeart something.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what it is.

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Speaker 3: I love this part of your character that just doesn't

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Speaker 3: give a crap about social media. It's really charming. I'm

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Speaker 3: not joking. I enjoy that about you.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just won't find anything because I don't do

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Speaker 2: anything but there so you know, if if an emergency happens,

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Speaker 2: and maybe I'll publish something and you'll know.

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Speaker 3: About it, a social media emergency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well waiting.

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Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of which acronyms that begin with us center

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Speaker 3: three letters long? Can you believe that Saturday Night Live

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Speaker 3: is gone dark for like the first time maybe ever?

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Speaker 1: I can. Yeah, it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 3: It is the right thing to do. But that was

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Speaker 1: All the late shows, all the late shows as well.

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Speaker 1: I believe Stephen Colbert has recorded some monologues from his house.

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Speaker 1: Ira Glass is just like us. He's recording from his house.

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Speaker 1: We're we're aiming collectively to keep making these podcasts as

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Speaker 1: long as we can, and we hope that it. We

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Speaker 1: proverbial or literally lights go out. If you want to

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Speaker 1: find me on the Internet, you can find me at

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Speaker 1: Instagram at ben Bolin in a burst of creativity, as

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Speaker 1: always say. If you want to share news or ask

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Speaker 1: you can always find me on Twitter at Ben BOLINHSW

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Speaker 1: You've been fielding a lot of great questions there and

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Speaker 1: some pretty off the wall ones. But just to reiterate

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Speaker 1: everything Matt and Nol have said, this is serious. We

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Speaker 1: but he's tuned in as well, so we're hoping to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the best place to find information is always

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Speaker 2: at this point, the CDC, the WHO, an organization like

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Speaker 2: So just keep your eyes open and your ears of

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Speaker 1: And if none of those means of contacting us quite

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Speaker 1: quarantine your badgers, I never fear. We have one solid

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