1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Anyries and I'm 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Lauren vocal Bam and today we're doing our second fictional 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: foods episode. And a lot of you probably from the title, 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: but also you could guess what it is because so 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: many people requested it after our first fictional food episode 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: on butter beer Limbus. Yes, we're going to pass the 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: limbus bread. We're going to walk straight into mor door. 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, well it's gonna be it's gonna 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: be harsh, but we're going to be so well fed 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: for the journey. That's true. Yeah, um, which Hobbits would 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: certainly appreciate. Also probably appreciating it. Our listeners, including Kate Erica, 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Crafty Viking and Asha other people I think requested it 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: so many I stopped recording names. I'm sorry, but thank 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: you all of you. Yes, and I remember a listener 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: I think we read the email. But try to make 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: some olymbus. Oh yeah, I missed that one. Oh that 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: sounds that sounds great. It's a difficult undertaking for it is. 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Uh so Lord of the Rings is full of food 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: culture and that's where olymbus is. By the way. Oh yes, 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: in the Lord of Friend we should probably mention that 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: for people who are in gigantic nerds, we're just like 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: nerds on such a nerd level, we just assume. Yeah. Yeah, 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: but by bye jrr Tolkien. H So it's a whole 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: book thing and a movie thing and a TV show 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: things soon to come, right, Yeah, but yeah, yeah. The 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: books have a lot of food in them, partially because 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: the Hobbits that are kind of the main characters are 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: really fond of eating. In the prolog to Fellowship of 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the Ring, which is the first book in the trilogy, 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: Tolkien rights their faces. The Hobbits were, as a rule 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: good natured, rather than beautiful, broad, bright eyed, red cheeked, 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: and with mouths apt to laughter and to eating and drinking. 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: And laugh they did, and eat and drink often and heartily, 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: being fond of simple jests at all times, and of 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: six meals a day when they could get them six 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: meals a day. I remember, um, I don't know how 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: many of you listeners had a program called a are 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: Accelerated Reading or something similar at school. Oh yeah, but 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: you got points for reading books. And when I was 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: in fifth grade, I read The Lord of the Rings, 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: and I was so discouraged by how descriptive all the 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: food was. And I love food, and I was like, 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: this is a lot, it's too much. I guess I'm 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: gonna be quizzed on this and I won't be able 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: to respond. There's a lot of detail in the books, 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: but mostly about like trees and running, but in mushrooms. 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: But in mushrooms. Yeah, there's a lot about yeah. Um. 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: In the books, you can count those six meals as breakfast, morning, 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: tea or levenzies, lunch, afternoon tea, supper and dinner. Um. 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: But the seven that Pip and rattles off in the 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: Fellowship movie our breakfast, second breakfast, elevenses, luncheon, afternoon tea, 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: dinner and supper. I'm not sure how the two of 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: those got supper and dinner got switched around. But future 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: episode just on that, I think we could that. There's 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of debate about the meaning of these 56 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: terms and on the internet. Um, but either way, yes, 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: Hobbits like food, and the food that they like best 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: is a kind of earthy Victorian English countryside type food, 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: the sort of things that you can grow and cook 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: locally from a temperate climate, you know, mushrooms. As we said, bacon, beer, honey, apples, blackberries, eggs, butter, cheese, 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: bread scones, sweet and savory pies, potatoes, turnips and carrots, uh, 62 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: roast meat, stews, pickles, you know, stuff like that. I 63 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: might make six meals out of all that food. If 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: I could as well, I would make one meal out 65 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: of all of that food six times a day. Hobbit, yes, 66 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: nutrend Yes. In the Two Town Hours, the narrator explains 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: all Hobbits, of course can cook, for they begin to 68 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: learn the art before their letters, which many never reach. 69 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Of course, of course they can cook, and how this 70 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: type of food probably came about in the books. Tolkien 71 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: was born in eight two and grew up in a 72 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: sort of idyllically rural, old fashioned hamlet near the sort 73 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: of grimly urban industrial center of Birmingham. He once wrote 74 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: to a fan that he was basically from the Shire 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: and that quote, I am, in fact a Hobbit in 76 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: all but size. So does this mean that Birmingham was 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: like more Door? I kind of think it might have been. 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: I think that it's from all the descriptions from from 79 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: the from the areas that he grew up, it sounds 80 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: like wow, yeah, sorry about at Birmingham. I'm sure. I'm 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: sure it's lovely. I've never been um. It is also 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: positive that Tolkien, being something of an English nationalist, created 83 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings universe and its peoples and 84 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: languages as sort of a substitute for the unified mythology 85 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: that England lacks. Um England having, you know, such a 86 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: diverse and kind of turbulent history with a lot of 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: different people's, Tolkien wrote in a letter to Milton Waldman 88 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one, a few years before Fellowship was 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: first published. I was from early days grieved by the 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: poverty of my own beloved country. It had no stories 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: of its own, bound up in its tongue and soil, 92 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: not of the quality that I sought and found as 93 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 1: an ingredient in legends of other lands. There was Greek 94 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: and Celtic and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian and Finnish, which greatly 95 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: affected me, but nothing English saved for impoverished chap book stuff. 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: So he decided to write some books that he did. 97 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: That he did, And I have to say, when we 98 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: chose this topic, I thought it would be simple. I 99 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: don't know how you felt, Lauren. I think everything's going 100 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: to be simple. I am so not simple. I was 101 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: reading Elvish lore and so over old, and I liked 102 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, and I still like Lord of 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: the Rings. But he wrote a lot, he did a 104 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: lot of of of back matter for if you all 105 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: have never experienced trying to read, like the Summerlian and 106 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that, there's there's universes upon universe is of 107 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: writing about. Yes, this already very dense series, exactly, It's beautiful. 108 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: It is, um of course, being an adventure series. The 109 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: main Lord of the Rings, though um Our Hobbits couldn't 110 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: always count on those civilized six or seven meals per day. 111 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: They had to make do with what they could travel 112 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: with or forage for the same. Wise, Gamge notably brings 113 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: some basic cooking supplies all the way to Mortar with him, 114 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: a couple of pots of wooden spoon, cooking fork, some salt. Uh. 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: But yes, most of the time the Fellowship does not 116 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: have time for cooking, which brings us to Limbus. It does. Limbus, 117 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: sometimes called Elven bread or way bread, as you may 118 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: have gathered, is a bread created by elves to sustain 119 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: you when traveling, you know, like a protein bar type 120 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: thing to keep you satisfied for when you decide to 121 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: hike up mount too. One of those days are many months, 122 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: many days upon days. From the novel The Fellowship of 123 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: the Ring, Tolkien wrote, eat little at a time, and 124 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: only at need, for these things are given to serve 125 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: you when all else fails. The cakes will keep sweet 126 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: for many many days if they are unbroken and left 127 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: in their leaf wrappings as we have brought them. One 128 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: will keep a traveler on his feet for a day 129 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: of long labor, even if he be one of the 130 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: tall men of meanest to reef. Yeah. So it's way 131 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: better than a protein bar, way better. And the leaf 132 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: wrappings are malorn leaves malorn trees, the plural of which 133 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: is to learn uh huh, because Tolkien. They are the 134 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: primary trees that make up the forests of lat Lourrian 135 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: where the where the Fellowship party picks up their limbus. 136 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: They're they're huge trees with this smooth gray silver bark, 137 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: and the leaves are green on top and silver underneath. 138 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: If you were wondering, they were originally from a neighboring 139 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: continent to Middle Earth called human Um. The inhabited lands 140 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: they're called Valenore, inhabited by the volar which are sort 141 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: of godlike people, and elves brought the trees with them 142 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: to other places. From there, Gladriel herself planted the seeds 143 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: that would become uh the Lauren trees and Lorian. See 144 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: see what we had to deal with thread It's it's 145 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: just I was on Lord of the Rings whippy pages 146 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: for just days. It felt like, yeah, it was. It 147 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: was a beauty. It's a beautiful place to be. But 148 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: anyway is yes, and Uhla Florian is where the elves are, 149 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: by the way, if we didn't mentioned that, and Gladriel 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: is like as an elf lady. Yeah, anyway, as far 151 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: as the parents goes, Alembas are brownish on the outside 152 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: and cream colored on the inside. They were described as 153 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: being sort of wafer like and pretty tasty with a 154 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: bit of sweetness. Gimli the Dwarf claims there are better 155 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: than cram, which is another thing I had to look up. 156 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: It's a biscuit made by men, and it's also better 157 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: than honey cakes, which are made by the Yarnings. I 158 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: apologize for that accent I put on there to confuse matters. 159 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: Limbus is written as being made with corn, but probably 160 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: not actually corn but something like wheat, because Tolkien was 161 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: British and the British called corn maize and green's corn. Okay, yes, perfect. 162 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: Limbus also contains the fruit a k a. The nut 163 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: of the molauren tree uh, which we know is silvery 164 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: on the outside, but we don't know much else about. 165 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: It's probably a good source of protein though, um, and 166 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: therefore a good thing to put in a fancy Elvin 167 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: protein bar. Yes, and the recipe of limbus was something 168 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: kind of proprietary for the else. Very rarely did they 169 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: share it with any non else and evil or corrupted 170 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: creatures like I don't know, Gollum. They found limbus, along 171 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: with most products of the elves, as offensive. Golemn outright 172 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: would not even try the stuff. M m hmmm. And 173 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: the word limbus comes from what we outside of the 174 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Lord of Rings called Elvin, but to be more specific, 175 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: the Cindarian word for way bread um, and another Elvis language, Kenya, 176 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: lambus is called kimas are lifebread. So yeah, Sindarian is 177 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: a it's like a subset of Elvin. Elvin languages. Man, 178 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: we're really turned it up. Yeah, alright, Okay, uh, so 179 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: let's get into some of the potential real history is 180 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: real fake history? Oh yeah, yeah, but first let's get 181 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: into a quick word from our sponsor and we're back, 182 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, and or sorry that you're being associated 183 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: with all of this nursery and speaking of nursery, dial 184 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: it up a bit. Oh wait, what what I know going? 185 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: We're twisting that knob even further. So let's talk uh 186 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: some in book orderings lymbus history or what I like 187 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: to call the the outline real fake history. So in 188 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: Elvish lore, the creation of lymbus goes way back to 189 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: the vala Yvana Valla is the singular form of lar, 190 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: which Lauren mentioned earlier, and they were these powerful beings 191 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: whose purpose was to give order to the world. Vanna 192 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: was one of these valor called the giver of fruits 193 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: and or the Lady of the Earth, and as name suggests, 194 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: she was in charge of planting and growing the first 195 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: plants excep, Yeah it does. Once the elves made their 196 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: great journey to Amon, and there's a whole thing about 197 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: this lord errings. Fans know exactly what the great journey is, 198 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: but it's a thing um Vanna. They went there, believe us. Yes, Uh, 199 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: they brought them special corn again, probably wheat to plant. 200 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: And this special corn most likely was and is the 201 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: key ingredient to Lymbus. The queen of Dorius Melion have 202 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: the rescie first, later passing it to Gladriel along with 203 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: other elves. And as we said, she was the first 204 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: Gladriel to uh plant it and give it to the fellowship, 205 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: and she gave them quite a bit. How much though, 206 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: and whether much whether that would have survived for their 207 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: entire journey. Oh, we're going to talk about it. We are. Yeah, 208 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: there's numbers involved, there's math. Meanwhile, back in what some 209 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: people might call the real world, Tolkien was Roman Catholic, 210 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: and some readers have suggested that Lembus is directly influenced 211 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: by the by the bread or the wafer, part of 212 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: the of the Eucharist, the Holy communion um, you know, 213 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: the whole Uh, this wine is my blood, this bread 214 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: is my body kind of thing um, and especially influenced 215 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: by the Holy Communion, by the Holy communion that's given 216 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: as a part of a practitioner's last rites, which is 217 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: called the viaticum and means something like a provision for 218 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: a journey, and in this practice, the viaticum is meant 219 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: to ensure the dying person's journey into a into eternal happiness, 220 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: and a limbus in the stories is also said to 221 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: be more effective during fasting and to feed the will 222 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: as much as the body. So totally totally lines up. 223 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: Totally acknowledged this connection, but said that it was unintentional. 224 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: Well back to some numbers, some science, some real world. Yeah, 225 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: making of limbus if it's possible. You can't find a 226 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: lot of recipes for it online. There's even an etty 227 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: story ran into where you can buy some, and in 228 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: the description the shop owner notes maloren leaves not included. 229 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: Most of the recipes are for something like a short 230 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: bread or scone, which sounds delicious um, and they generally 231 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: include nuts or nutmeal, plus some vanilla and cinnamon, which 232 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: most of the bay Gers apologized for. Uh, since their 233 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: tropical plants and dust you know, wouldn't wouldn't be probably 234 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't been there, But you never know what else get 235 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: up to. That's true, that's true, um, And the films, 236 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: the prop for limbus bread was similar to an unsweetened shortbread. 237 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: The primary goals make something that licked and crumbled like 238 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: lumbus um and was also um edible because but acting 239 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: acting is key for actors. Because of this, Shaun Aston, 240 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: who played Sam wise Gamgi, reported that the taste was 241 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: quite terrible on the DVD commentary. Also in the films, 242 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: Olymbus was redundantly called Limbus bread since the introductory scene 243 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: with the explanation of what lumbus is was cut out 244 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: of the first film, though it is in the extended cut. 245 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: But isn't everything I kind of yeah, yeah, I'm pretty 246 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: sure it was like four hours a long goodness anyway. Uh. 247 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: It did go on to play a pivotal role in 248 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: later films, notably when Gollum crumbles up Frodo and Sam 249 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: supply of Limbus and frames Sam by planting crumbs on 250 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: his cloak. Tricksy so tricksy m And is there a 251 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: study Annie? Of course there's a study. Of course there 252 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: is from Sky Rosetti and Kresho Maharan out of the 253 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: University of Leicester, who set out to determine how much 254 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: olymbus the Fellowship would have needed for a ninety two 255 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: day journey if Olympus was their only sustenance. To do this, 256 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: the metabolic rates derived from a previous study were used 257 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: for each of the species involved. And yes, there was 258 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: a previous study that came to the conclusion that the 259 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: daily calorie consumption for thirty four year old male would 260 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: be one thousand, eight d eighteen point six one calories 261 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: for abbit, one thousand, seven hundred and two point two 262 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: for a human, and one thousand, four hundred sixteen point 263 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: nine five for elves who um from that, and assuming 264 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: that the group had never got separated, there's a lot 265 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: of since here that Fred had never been captured, Bore 266 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: had never died spoilers, and that Gandolf had never done 267 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: his thing and tangoed with the ball rog um. The 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: fellowship would have needed a collective sixteen thousand, one or 269 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: forty seven point six eight calories at day to make 270 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: the journey. I love the I love the points. I 271 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: love that it's so fraction Please continue, Given that a 272 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: single piece of a limbus can sustain a man for 273 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: an entire day, and taking into your account the amount 274 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: of time and difficulty spent daily on travel, there's a 275 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: whole chart included. There's a whole chart for this. Um 276 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: Alymbus was determined to be two thousand, six hundred thirty 277 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: eight point five calories like a piece of a limbus. 278 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: That's how many calories are in like a unit. Yes, 279 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: this means that to make the trip to more door, 280 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: the Fellowship would need six hundred seventy five pieces of 281 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: limbus at least at least because hobbits have big appetites. 282 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: We've talked about that, but are small and durable, both 283 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: limbus and hobbits. But here we're talking about limbus. So 284 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm theory fictionally plausible are plausible fictionally? The article ended 285 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: with questions for further thought, such as the gluten content 286 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: and possible side effects from living off limbus for several weeks. 287 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: I'm sure more research is forthcoming. The name of this study, 288 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: by the way, is simply walking into mortor how much 289 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: limbus would the Fellowship I needed? Oh, man Nerds is great. 290 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: The chart blew my mind. I also found a form 291 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: with debate about the plausibility of lymbus without magic. There's 292 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: a whole another argument there. Just generally agreed that it 293 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: must be magic, although someone went and bought up Clark's 294 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: law to argue that it isn't. Anyway, it went pretty 295 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: in depth as to the protein, carb and fat content 296 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: you need and how you'd make it using me evil 297 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: techniques because of course, uh. And the widely accepted conclusion 298 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: was that you need some elment magic or nanobots. That 299 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: was the other theory. Also, one of the comments was, 300 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: limbus is actually pizza. It just made me happy. I 301 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: never thought about that before, but man, limbus could just 302 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: be pizza. It really good. Boo. Um. Just to give 303 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: you some scope here, Um, if you assume that a 304 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: piece of lembus is about the size and weight of 305 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: like a large cookie or a slice of bread, that 306 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: is like about fifty grams or so, like two thousand, 307 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: six hundred calories is just an insane number of calories. Yeah, 308 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: for that amount of food, Like even pure lard only 309 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: has about four hundred and fifty calories per a unit 310 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: of that size. So Elvin magic is what I'm betting on. Yeah. 311 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think the daily recommended value of 312 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: calories for the average aduble is two thousand, so that's 313 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: more than that in one tiny cookie. So yeah, elves. 314 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: Oh all right, um, so yeah, we also wanted to 315 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about some of the other foods 316 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: that appear in the Lord of the Rings. Um. But 317 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: first we're going to take another quick break for a 318 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. So. 319 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: In the book's Elven, food is generally described as being 320 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: kind of magical, sort of unearthly delicious. Pippin remembers of 321 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: one road supper with Elves um that there was a 322 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: bread surpassing the savor of a fair white loaf to 323 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: one who is starving, And fruits sweet as wild berries 324 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: and richer than the tended fruits of gardens. And a 325 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: fragrant draft, cool as a clear fountain, golden as a 326 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: summer afternoon draft. Draft. Can you say it both ways? 327 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: I've always said draft, So I'm going to say yes, perfect. 328 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to agree that's lovely. That description sounds lovely. Um. 329 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: So there. Yeah, food is important to this universe, as 330 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: we said. So. Some other nutritious slash magical foods from 331 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings universe include the restorative int drop, 332 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: which Mary and Pip and drink in the Two Towers 333 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: the second book while they're hanging out with some ants 334 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: which are tree people. Um. There's two versions of the draft. Actually, 335 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: one is refreshing and makes them feel all tingly, and 336 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: the other is richer and feels more satisfying. Both are 337 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: clear liquids that heal the hobbits wounds and even make 338 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: them grow a little bit despite being fully grown hobbits already. 339 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: It said that because of this ent drop, uh, they 340 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: are at least three inches taller than any other hobbit. 341 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: Three in. I know, that's a lot for a hobbit. 342 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: They're only like two to three feet and fine grew 343 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: three inches. That'd be a lot for me. That's nothing 344 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: to sneeze, right. There's also the Orc Vitality drink, which 345 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: is off also called grog, and Lauren Lauren seems to 346 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: be a fan of this one. Okay, well, all right, 347 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: so you wrote the thing about about the next party. 348 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: That's that's all your note. Well, I must have had 349 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: a crazy party after that, because I don't recall right 350 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: in our in our notes, it says, which is also 351 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: called grog and needs to be at my next party, 352 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: and it sounds more like a pain killer than an 353 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: actual like restorative like the end draft um. It's also 354 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: mentioned in The Two Towers and given to Pippen, and 355 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: is described as a burning liquid when Pippin drinks it, 356 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: he felt a hot, fierce glow flow through him. Um, 357 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: the pain in his legs and ankles vanished. He could 358 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: stand Wow. So I mean, yeah, it's more like a 359 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: keep you going kind of thing. Okay, I probably just 360 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: wrote that because of the name, but that sounds pretty good. Yeah, 361 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: this next one looks complicated to pronounce. Lauren just runs 362 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: with ITV. Yes, obviously that's basically the Elvish equivalent of 363 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: mead um. And then we've got, of course, the aforementioned 364 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: cram and any cake. Yeah, of course you need no explanation. 365 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 1: Oh um. And in case you didn't know, because I, 366 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: being so stolidly American, did not um. Second, breakfast and 367 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: eleven zies aren't just funny sounding things that hobbits do 368 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: inhabitant They are real meals or like snacks or refreshments 369 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: really that real humans eat. What. Yes, eleven z's existed 370 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: in America for a while in the mid eighteen hundreds. Um, 371 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: it was actually more like a late morning whiskey break. 372 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: It was the precursor to the modern coffee break. Americans 373 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: drink like a whole lot of whiskey back then, an 374 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: average of half a pint per day at old times 375 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: of the day. Oh wow. Um, it comes from the 376 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: English tradition of eleven z s, which is a mid 377 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: morning tea and light refreshment break. So they were doing 378 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: tea and we were liked whiskey. Yeah, that sounds pretty 379 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: That sounds pretty American. Yeah, especially eight hundreds. Um. It's 380 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: not to be confused, however, with the Chilean tradition of 381 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: lance meaning the eleven which is a sort of tea 382 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: or coffee and cold snack that served between five and 383 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: nine pm, which is probably rooted in English traditions from 384 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: settlers circle the eighteen hundreds and partially possibly as a 385 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: code for let's go sneak some booze, which originated in 386 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: booze restricted mining towns. Um. The booze in question was 387 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: a guardiente, which is spelled with eleven letters, So that 388 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: might be I find that sort of tenuous. But second 389 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: breakfast also is a thing that has happened in America. Um, 390 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: or used to happen in America. I've never heard of anyone. 391 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: No one has ever said the word second breakfast to 392 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: me outside of hobbit related conversations. I've had a second 393 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: breakfast but I've never been like I'm going to have 394 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: a second breakfast, right, or let's all get together and 395 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: have one as a group. Unrelated to Lord of the Rings, yeah, 396 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: although Americans picked it up a little bit reluctantly. Um. 397 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: Following European traditions, the French, Viennese, Russians, and Germans all 398 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: have second breakfasts, which are kind of social breakfasts that 399 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: are taken with friends or coworkers mid morning. In Germany, 400 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: it's sometimes been called a gobble frustuk a k a. 401 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: A fork breakfast as opposed to so something that you 402 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: like sit down and eat with a fork, as opposed 403 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: to something that you just like grab and run with. Okay, yeah, Also, 404 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: just gabble is like the best word. Yeah, I mean 405 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: most German is kind of the best word. It's pretty fun. Well, 406 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: that is lembus and a few other foods from Middle 407 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: Earth thrown in there for fun. I hope that this 408 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: was satisfactory for you that requested, and I hope that 409 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: for people who don't know a Lord of the Rings, 410 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: we didn't completely lose you. Yeah, it's interesting, I mean, yeah, 411 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: fictional foods. If you all have any other fictional foods, 412 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: that you would like us to talk about. Please do 413 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: right in and let us know if you hadn't noticed, Annie, 414 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: Annie and I get excited about geek stuff. I do. 415 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: We'll take any excuse to to talk about it, and 416 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: you guys definitely gave us an excuse with this one, 417 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: So thank you. And speaking of writing in, it's time 418 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: for listener mail. Okay, So Chris wrote in I'm just 419 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: getting a chance to listen to your keish episode and 420 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: got a chuckle out of the real man don't eat 421 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: keish thing because it reminded me of an early experience 422 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: with my then girlfriend now wife. I was always a 423 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: good and adventurous cook, but one who knew nothing about 424 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: cooking in terms of names. My entire cooking education coming 425 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: from my southern grandmother and Justin Wilson, which is probably 426 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: why the word onion has about eight syllables for me. So, 427 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: one day after holiday, we were discussing what to do 428 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: with the extra podcasts we had in the box. Then 429 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: I said, I've got it. I'll make egg pie. We 430 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: have bacon, bacon and eggpie, to which my girlfriend deadpanned. 431 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: So you're making keish. I had no idea what keish 432 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: was only having known the real man don't eat Keish meme. 433 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: Then I got really confused because egg pie is like 434 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: the manliest food in the world, eggs, meat, cheese, and 435 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: a pie. I could hear Tim Allen's nineties sitcom character 436 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: grunting just listing the ingredients. Fast forward thirteen years of marriage, 437 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: and egg pie has become a regular part of our diet. 438 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: We've heard a lot of stories about this whole kiche 439 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: gendering of Kish, and that is definitely something we want 440 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: to come back to the gendering of foods. Oh, absolutely, yeah. 441 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: I just found a really good article about all of 442 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: that on a courts I think the other day I 443 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: might have linked it in our Twitter but more listener 444 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: mail Liza or Liza. I hope I'm not butchering your name. 445 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: If there's a third pronunciation that I'm not aware of, 446 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: I hope that. I hope that one of those two 447 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: covered it. Anyway, wrote in about pesticides after we touched 448 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: on them in our Cranberry episode. Um. I am currently 449 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: in college and study all about crop production, including all 450 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: the biology and chemistry behind it, so I decided to 451 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: write in with some information. One of the first things 452 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: is that organic producers are still allowed to use pesticides, 453 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: but they are considered natural and non synthetic. Don't let 454 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: these words fool you, because honestly, these organic pesticides can 455 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: be much more dangerous than the synthetically produced conventional ones. 456 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: Not all organic productions use these, but really the organic 457 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: name is just a label slapped on things to make 458 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: them more expensive when they are not proven to be 459 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: any safer or nutritionally healthier. Moving on to the pesticide residues, 460 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: the amount of allowed residues are strictly regulated and produced 461 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: can be thrown out. These residue rates are so low 462 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: that they should not affect humans. Keep in mind that 463 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: it takes years of safety testing before a new pesticide 464 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: is ever released, and many of these tests include toxicity 465 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: to humans, native animals, and the ecosystem. When something is 466 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: classified as a possible carcinogen, take that with a grain 467 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: of salt. Common substances like caffeine are classified as such, 468 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: yet most adults can't do without it. Also, sometimes things 469 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: are misclassified, such as the recent case of the World 470 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: Health Organization Cancer Agency purposefully editing out non carcinogenic findings 471 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: of glyphosphate. Yeah, so yeah, that's that's basically thank you 472 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: so much Liza or Lisa for for for writing in 473 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: about that. That's some kind of the the a good 474 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: rundown of what I had understood from light research. Um. 475 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, and Annie and I definitely want to do 476 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: a whole episode about all of that organic shenanigans in 477 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: the future because it's such a it's really annoying. It 478 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: is that people are being told to, you know, do 479 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: the right thing, the best thing. It's the only thing 480 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: to be healthy for your families. And yeah yeah um, 481 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: and also I just wanted to shout out, um, all 482 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: the Australian listeners, oh man, you did not let us down. 483 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: I know sentence so many clips of not only the 484 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: pun from the Vegemite episode, but also other words we 485 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: missed for now but in the nicest way possible and 486 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: we got such a kick out of it. Um, maybe 487 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: we'll make a clip oh yeah, uh be the best. Yes, 488 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for that. It was it was great. 489 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: If you would similarly like to get in touch, you 490 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: can do that thing. Yes. 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