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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to episode ninety four of The Hambor

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Speaker 1: Territory Podcast. I am your host, Brad Rowland, coming to

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Speaker 1: Youtup in the Night here on October second into October third,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined as I always am, by Scott Coleman. Scott,

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season for the Braves is now over,

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Speaker 1: and in a lot of different ways, as we'll talk about,

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Speaker 1: it was quite fitting.

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Speaker 2: I thought, Hey, Brad, yeah, it's baseball is a poetic game,

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Speaker 2: and tonight's game in so many ways it was poetic

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Speaker 2: of this season. Some highs, some lows, really a lot

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Speaker 2: of lows, and here we are. Man, anytime we get

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Speaker 2: to the end of the with the Atlanta Braves, it's

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Speaker 2: a bummer. I think this team deserves credit for at

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Speaker 2: least getting to the playoffs with everything they had to

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Speaker 2: deal with this year, and rest assured it was a lot.

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Speaker 2: But but but that was very disheartening to watch the

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Speaker 2: last two nights. And unfortunately now we have five or

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Speaker 2: six months without Atlanta Braves baseball and that is never

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Speaker 2: a fun thing.

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Speaker 1: It never is. And if you were unfamiliar with our show,

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Speaker 1: first of all, this is quite an episode to begin with,

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Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube where you can see Scott and

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Speaker 1: I in Shining maybe HD. I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: if you want to find us. And yeah, we'll obviously

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Speaker 1: pay the picture a little bit. If the Braves had

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Speaker 1: them back and won this game, we might have done

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Speaker 1: our more traditional you know, almost line by line and

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Speaker 1: break down at this one. I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: largely issue that given the end nature of this one.

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Speaker 1: But in the end, Scott, this is a loss that

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Speaker 1: is complicated to talk about in that in March, if

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Speaker 1: you just told you and I I'll speak for you

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Speaker 1: If you told us back in March the brains were

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. That would have been a kind of shocking result,

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Speaker 1: and also why are they in the wild card round?

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Speaker 1: We would we had lots of questions about that. But

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Speaker 1: then if I ask you this, like a couple of

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Speaker 1: this result, it would have been a far less shocking

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Speaker 1: and you know, we could at least frame it this way.

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Speaker 1: The Braves made the playoffs in what it was largely

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Speaker 1: a disaster season, and I think that I received a

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Speaker 1: sport that follow other teams or national writers or whatever

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Speaker 1: that were kind of like more in the amazement camp.

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Speaker 1: I know no one wants to hear that, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of It's been an interesting to see the reaction

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Speaker 1: from the typical anger and people can express whatever they

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Speaker 1: want to. I get it. I felt all of those

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Speaker 1: this now rationing up the anger level because I just

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Speaker 1: more hot and heavy. And in the end, it was

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Speaker 1: just kind of like resignation that this team was just

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Speaker 1: they were going to be able to do. For many reasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like anything this team did in October

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Speaker 2: if folks heard it in brad nice tone a couple

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about tonight's game in particular, where other

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Speaker 2: But I agree wholeheartedly with everything that has gone on

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Speaker 2: you as a fan. But this series, man, of course,

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Speaker 2: They lost to a better team, and hey, I would

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, what are you supposed to do

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Speaker 2: just kind of the way the dice rolls sometimes.

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Speaker 1: For sure. And you know I would if you didn't

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Speaker 1: It's it's a it's an interesting sport in a lot

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Speaker 1: But other than that, the four times before this, the

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Speaker 1: They were always ahead of the curve and they never

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Speaker 1: But also I do understand fully the reaction because every

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Speaker 1: And I get the reaction as a result.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. And as we know, as fans know,

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Speaker 2: this team was close for years and just couldn't break through,

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Speaker 2: And sometimes when you taste the euphoria and finally get

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, man, it sucks for the Braves and

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Speaker 2: as the Braves did a few years ago. And I

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Speaker 1: They scored was they and almost braced Actually this scored

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Speaker 2: And it was the same way last Yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: And clearly, as we just watched and talked about for

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Speaker 2: and Brad would so much rather do these shows after

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Speaker 2: a Braves postseason win. But for so many reasons, it

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it was a yell of the team we

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Speaker 1: not everything. And we've ensured to say that every time

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Speaker 1: tell you that if you did Fangrafts War, they finished

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Speaker 1: number one in the league and Fangrafts War for pitching staffs.

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Speaker 1: That's not the end all of the all, but at

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Speaker 1: the very least, they are a top three or four

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Speaker 1: staff in the entire major leagues this year. And we

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Speaker 1: thought that were going to be good coming into the year,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, but not this good. No One was

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Speaker 1: projecting the Braves to be the best staff in baseball

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Speaker 1: from top to bottom rotation, et cetera. And they were

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Speaker 1: fantastic and obviously the starting with the starting pitcher at

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Speaker 1: which Shawn and Stephen covered yesterday, that did not go

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Speaker 1: very well. Max had a rough one tonight, even though

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like all noise, but the bullpen was just absurd.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that they got through six innings

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Speaker 1: today of scoreless baseball gave him a chance as the

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Speaker 1: great is the great way to put it, kept them

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Speaker 1: at five. They didn't have to use my still I glaciers.

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Speaker 1: That was the first five innings. We're not even We're

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Speaker 1: not even their best guys. I mean, I know Dylan

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Speaker 1: Lee pitch today, he's great, but like it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: they were throwing Rice El for two and Joe a

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Speaker 1: Mennes for two. Like it was Joe and the you

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Speaker 1: know Joe in the eighth, So shouts to them. That

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Speaker 1: was fantastic. They kept them right there. Uh the middle

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Speaker 1: of the game, you know, Solaire hits a home run

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Speaker 1: that was like, all right, little sparkle, it's five to

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Speaker 1: two in the fifth. The one that I still will

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Speaker 1: be circling when I think about this game is the

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Speaker 1: sixth inning where the Bridge did not score and they

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Speaker 1: threatened to and they sent five guys to the plate

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Speaker 1: in the sixth All of them hit the ball hard,

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Speaker 1: all five, All three outs in the inning were struck

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Speaker 1: off the bat at ninety nine miles an hour or

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Speaker 1: or higher. The three outs in the inning. Matt Olsen

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Speaker 1: hits a one hundred and three mile hour rocket. That

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Speaker 1: is a double a lot, let's just say. And it

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Speaker 1: was and that was on brand as well. That was

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Speaker 1: a threat. And another another time in this game, which

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Speaker 1: I will raise my hand in sad, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was over when they didn't score. There down three runs. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they threatened again in the seventh. They did score in

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Speaker 1: the eighth, bringing it back to Michael Harris, who has

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Speaker 1: been great for so long now three four weeks. But

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Speaker 1: then even when Harris hits the home run, there's nobody

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Speaker 1: out in the inning in the eighth inning, and you

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Speaker 1: have your two, three, four coming up and they go

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Speaker 1: down in order, and it's like, oh, that brings us

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Speaker 1: to the the bottom of the order, and look, how

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Speaker 1: do you want to frame this? I think that it's

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Speaker 1: fair to point out and I did it before the

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Speaker 1: ninth inning on Twitter, the three players coming up in

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Speaker 1: the inning in the ninth in the do up box

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Speaker 1: on ESPN, we're not in the organization two and a

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Speaker 1: half months ago, and only one of them was like,

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Speaker 1: they traded for Horay Celaire. Horiceilreire is obviously real bat

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Speaker 1: that they went out and proactively got and spent money

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Speaker 1: on and all that stuff. But the other two guys

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Speaker 1: that were a duo, Ramond Loreano, who has been great

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Speaker 1: for the Braves to be fair, and g Or Schela,

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Speaker 1: who did his job. Those guys were scrap heep signings

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Speaker 1: and they're coming up for you in the ninth inning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of the biggest game of the season, which she's's on

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Speaker 1: the line, and it's not their fault by any means,

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Speaker 1: but that was another small indicator of like what has

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Speaker 1: happened to how they possibly got here. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know what you want to get into about this, but

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Speaker 1: like even this, Solaire hits an absolute rocket, like one

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Speaker 1: hundred and nine mile an hour, literally one hundred nine

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Speaker 1: mile an hour rocket, and it's a nice catch by

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Speaker 1: the center fielder, and it's like, if that falls, if

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Speaker 1: it's five feet to the left, it's a leadoff double.

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Speaker 1: And we joked before we started recording that I'm convinced

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Speaker 1: that he wouldn't have scored leof double. There's no way

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Speaker 1: he's scoring there, right, There's no way, no.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in some ways, I tweeted this because again,

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Speaker 2: baseball's a funny game. The ninth inning was somehow a

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Speaker 2: perfect microcosm of the season offensively, because this is what

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Speaker 2: happened one hundred and nine mile an hour lineout. If

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Speaker 2: Jorge Solaier hits that baseball anyway to the left or

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Speaker 2: to the right, it's a double in the gap. You

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Speaker 2: have a leadoff double, tying run. And scoring position to start. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but Jackson Merrill makes a nice catch, so one hundred

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Speaker 2: nine mile an hour lineout. Then you have Ramon Loreano

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Speaker 2: who comes up and swings at balls four and five. Yep,

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Speaker 2: And I know the baseball is coming one hundred and

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Speaker 2: two miles an hour and you basically have no time

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Speaker 2: to see it and react. But isn't it kind of

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Speaker 2: on brand that the first two outs were a one

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Speaker 2: hundred and nine mile an hour rocket right at somebody

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Speaker 2: and then a hitter refusing to take a walk against

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Speaker 2: a wild pitcher, And after swinging at balls four and five,

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Speaker 2: Ramon grounded out pretty weekly to Manny Machado, which is

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Speaker 2: basically automatic. And then Travis Darnaut comes up, and to

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Speaker 2: be fair, coming up as a pinch hitter against a

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Speaker 2: guy throwing one hundred and two is not easy. But

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Speaker 2: what does Travis do? But he swings at a first

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Speaker 2: pitch that was about a foot and a half off

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Speaker 2: the plate and pops it up twenty feet away from

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Speaker 2: the plate in foul territory.

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Speaker 1: I mean, tell me that is not the season.

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Speaker 2: In a nutshell, a rocket ship that was caught terrible

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Speaker 2: approach at the plate where you should have walked, and

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Speaker 2: then just bad baseball to come up and swing at

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Speaker 2: the very first pitch when a guy clearly cannot throw

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Speaker 2: strikes because he's tried to walk the layer and he

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Speaker 2: tried to walk Loreano. It was just a perfect poetic

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Speaker 2: finish to just a season where I think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: look back and go what if on so many things.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately the ninth inning wrung out very loudly for him.

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Speaker 2: How a lot of this year has gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because usually you and I would talk

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Speaker 1: about like lots lots of like decisions and process things

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Speaker 1: in a playoff recap, and there wasn't a lot to

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Speaker 1: do when you're down five to one, and it's like

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Speaker 1: everything's going as well as it came. With the bullpen

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Speaker 1: I got, I don't know if you did. I got

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Speaker 1: questions right away about like why they would have Travis

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Speaker 1: hit there, and I'm like, guys, it's he's sitting for

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Speaker 1: ge Orshala, Like, no matter what again, shouts ge Orshella.

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Speaker 1: I'm not he did. He more than gave the Brase

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Speaker 1: what he was supposed to give them since he arrived

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Speaker 1: as a total stop gap third baseman. And I know

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Speaker 1: Travis has not like had a fantastic season, but like

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Speaker 1: Travis is better and more trusted at the plate. I

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Speaker 1: almost tweeted in the moment, get ready for whit Maryfield

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Speaker 1: at third base, everybody, because that was what would have

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Speaker 1: happened if they had tied the game or taken the lead.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, I had not. I had no

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Speaker 1: issues with any of it. I mean, obviously they yesterday

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Speaker 1: in depth. There was obviously a lot to talk about

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Speaker 1: that way. Process wise, in game one, there was really

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Speaker 1: nothing unless you you know Max Free. There's no controversy

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Speaker 1: in having Max Free start the game and coming out

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Speaker 1: after two innings when he's hurt or whatever. It was

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Speaker 1: just pretty straight ahead. So that's the game in itself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about the bullpen, we talked about

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris. I don't have that much to add, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I said I wasn't gonna say this, I am. I

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Speaker 1: am going to say it now that we're thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: and only the stick those are still here. Scott, deep

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Speaker 1: down in my soul, I think the Braves, and you

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, they didn't play badly in this game. I

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Speaker 1: think the Braves probably should have won. This game. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I am like outraged, or that it

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Speaker 1: was like an eighty percent win probability game that they

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Speaker 1: just got screwed on or whatever. I'm not saying that,

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Speaker 1: But having watched every pitch, they might have been the

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Speaker 1: better team in this game. The second inding was a

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Speaker 1: lot of noise, Max gets hurt, there's all the infield singles.

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Speaker 1: Race didn't play badly today. But also would I have

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Speaker 1: picked them in Game three tomorrow had they won today?

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Speaker 1: Probably not? Could they have one? Game three surely could

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Speaker 1: have won. Obviously they could have won, but like they

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Speaker 1: were going to be facing Dylan Ceese, who you and

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Speaker 1: I think is their best picture in San Diego, with

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Speaker 1: the same lant they had today that we don't love.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's our colleague

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Speaker 1: Sean rubbing off on me with his perpetual optimism. And

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Speaker 1: I love Sean's He's someone who could find the good

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Speaker 1: and almost anything, and I admire that about Sean. But

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Speaker 1: I think they actually probably should have won today. But

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Speaker 1: also them losing a game that they probably should have

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Speaker 1: won is very twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like the ninth time we said it

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Speaker 2: because it's so unfortunately accurate for how this baseball game went.

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Speaker 2: And I do agree. I mean, San Diego offensively really

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Speaker 2: didn't have anything other than the first and second innings.

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Speaker 2: I mean, again, man, hats off to the Braves bullpen,

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Speaker 2: which was phenomenal in the series, and even in the first.

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Speaker 2: In the second it was a bunch of just unbelievable

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Speaker 2: bad luck. Soft ground ball after soft ground ball, And

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, man, it's uh, it's frustrating when a

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Speaker 2: team hits a bunch of rockets right at somebody and

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Speaker 2: you don't score, and then the other side hits a

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Speaker 2: couple of bloopers and bleeders to nowhere and it ends

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Speaker 2: up leading to five runs. And again, man, San Diego,

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Speaker 2: good baseball.

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Speaker 1: Team, They're very good. Okay, we said this, we said

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Speaker 1: on the Previos show, but I want to see you up.

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Speaker 1: We said this on a preview, you and I that

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Speaker 1: neither one of us would be surprised if they won

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Speaker 1: the World Series like the PUDs. I still feel that way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they lost Joe Musgrove today, who might be hurt.

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Speaker 1: He got hurt in the middle of this game, which

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Speaker 1: we should we say a lot. I guess on this

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Speaker 1: of my matter of the Braves fans now, but they're sorry.

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Speaker 1: A pitcher today who was pitching well went down, and

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Speaker 1: maybe that's gonna hurt them. But that's a very good

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Speaker 1: team that the Braves lost too, and there's no shame

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Speaker 1: in that for me anyway. This Podrays team is better

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Speaker 1: than the Phillies teams the Braves lost to the previous

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Speaker 1: two years.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's spicy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I mean, people have forgotten

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Speaker 1: that the Thhose teams were wildcard teams too. They were

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Speaker 1: not like great teams. They got hot late. But the

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Speaker 1: Phillies have not won more than ninety games in either

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Speaker 1: of those two seasons. They had playoff success and then

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Speaker 1: this year they were really good obviously, But like I think,

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Speaker 1: I think I would have probably picked this pod Race

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Speaker 1: team personally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, the.

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Speaker 2: Braves have run into good teams the last three postseasons.

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Speaker 1: Now, no one's gonna care about that. It's gonna promise

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Speaker 1: you that, right, I promise you right now, someone's gonna

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Speaker 1: be all us about that.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, the things I mumble to myself to make

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Speaker 2: myself feel better.

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Speaker 1: But we did league with the fact that it's been bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean circle to bring a full circle again. This

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Speaker 1: is a lot of playoff failure and I shuddered to think, Scott,

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Speaker 1: what the tone would be if the Brakes had not

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Speaker 1: won the World Series twenty twenty one. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: at the last six playoffs were like this, like the

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Speaker 1: last three have gone and the two before the World

650
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: Series run, it would be absolute anarchy and justifiably so.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let me ask you this, because I

652
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: know there are fans who are on the extreme sides

653
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: of the spectrum. But let me ask you this, Brad,

654
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: because you you're a nuanced man. You are you are

655
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: level headed, you as you're a joke. You are dead

656
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: inside from years and years of sports.

657
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: But that's true.

658
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: And this is kind of a silly question because you

659
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: cannot take away a World Series from a team or

660
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: a super Bowl. You know you hear, Oh, they didn't

661
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl five years ago? Forever would you

662
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: want to play that game? But what would the feeling

663
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: be if the Braves did not win? Because let's just

664
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: as a quick outline, alex Enthopoulos takes over. They have

665
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: won the Division six of his seven years. They have

666
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: won eighty eight games every year. Obviously twenty twenty didn't count,

667
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: but I think they were on pace for ninety or

668
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: so that year. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: for a team that's had World Series aspirations for maybe

670
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: the last six seasons, they let's throughout twenty twenty because

671
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: of all the craziness and weirdness of that year. But

672
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: they have advanced in the postseason one time in a

673
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty two game season and again, Man

674
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: World Series amazing. I'm wearing the YouTube, folks. I got

675
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: my Braves World Series Champion shirt on. I'll wear this

676
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: until the day I die. But it's probably at least

677
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: worth a little bit of a conversation that as we

678
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: sit here today, this is an organization that is advanced

679
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: in the postseason one time over the last we'll call

680
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: it six normal years.

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00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know they did win two mini series

682
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty that did happen. It counts. But I'm with you.

683
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Do you want to be clear off the record, But no,

684
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I I tend to think that I would be. I

685
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: would probably be the person and I know myself I

686
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: would probably be the person pointing out how noisy baseball is,

687
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: and not necessarily and maybe at least generally pushing back

688
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: to the people that were ready to run Alex out

689
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: of town if the head, because you know that that

690
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: would have happened. No, there is a certain type of fan.

691
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: It's not even a judgment that like, all they care

692
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: about is the playoffs. And I understand that I'm not

693
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: that way. I don't think you. I don't think it's

694
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: healthy to be that way in baseball. You're gonna just

695
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: drudge yourself absolutely crazy because it's so right.

696
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: In some ways. I think it is a product of

697
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: the Braves's geographic location where that definitely helps to add

698
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: up football and maybe even college basketball, but especially college football.

699
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: Seasons for many of our listeners are defined by championship

700
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: or bust, and I think that's probably bled over to

701
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: the Braves over the years.

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00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: It could be. Yeah, I'm sure that's certainly some of it.

703
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: But uh so i'd probably be the voice in the

704
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: wilderness trying to say, guys, like, let's have some context.

705
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: But I also would I'm not telling you that I

706
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: would definitely feel that way. I don't think I would

707
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: be the guy trying to fire Alex, because, like I

708
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: think personally, this is a philosophical fan. Maybe we'll talk

709
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: about on its own show at some point soon. I

710
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: think your job number one, if you're a GM in

711
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: baseball and you have resources like the Braves do, is

712
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: to build a team that you think is going to

713
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: win the division. Get in the playoffs. That's what you're

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00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: trying to do every year. And there are things around that.

715
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: Because it's we said last night, and I mean too

716
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: nally when we were genuine with it, it's get in

717
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: the dance. That's job number one. Because even one hundred

718
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: and fifteen win team is not a big favorite to

719
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: win the World Series. It's just the way that is

720
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: in this sport. In college speaking of college football, the

721
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: best team often wins in collge football because they're better.

722
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: They're just better. The gap is bigger it is now.

723
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: You could say it's a shorter sample size and so

724
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: there's more noise there. But NBA definitely is this way

725
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: where the better team, the best team almost always wins,

726
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: less they're hurt, et cetera. Ball was not like that.

727
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: As Dodgers fans, they're in the same position as the

728
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: Braves are the world's one World Series, so all that's

729
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: a yeah. I shuddered to think I said this eut early,

730
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: but I shuddered to think what the reaction would be

731
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: even from us, Like we would be more negative right now.

732
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: Can you imagine what the tone would be even and

733
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: we are on the other side of the spectrum generally

734
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: speaking from people that would be way more angry than us. So, yeah,

735
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: there's noise there. I mean, I don't know about you.

736
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Every day, every day I see someone that is trying

737
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: to fire Brian Snicker every single day. Yeah, and I

738
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: understand it's the managers. It's always the manager's fault. We've

739
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: picked on Ryan Sticker plenty on this podcast over the years.

740
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that he I think he's

741
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: a genius or anything like that, but you can also say,

742
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: look if it look at his record as a manager

743
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: and like you, you're not going to beat that for

744
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: the most part. Oh, by the way, on that topic,

745
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: that's why I brought this up, he said postgame from

746
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: the Dais tonight as I'm reading on Twitter that he

747
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: intends to manage next year. So that was one of

748
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: the questions we were going to be asking. Maybe we

749
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: still are, maybe he could get five days away from

750
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: this and decide he's going to retire. But that was

751
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: a question. We were all kind of wondering that it's

752
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna be it. For snip he said today pretty definitively.

753
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: He tends to manage. And I think the quote was

754
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I hope I wish tenty was tomorrow, which is very

755
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: snit to say, but that happened.

756
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: I will say this, and I want to do at

757
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: least bring it up because I know it's a real

758
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: thought for many many fans. In frankly, it should be there.

759
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we listened off of this Vehgle of the podcast.

760
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: You can't lose this this way, not even just losing

761
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: like the way they've lost the three to one lead

762
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: this last three series, Like they've lost ugly in all

763
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: these runs too. The only time I wasn't super ugly

764
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: was like they lost in twenty eighteen. They lost to

765
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: a better team, I thought, and the Dodgers. But that

766
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: was the first year of this run. That was like

767
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: the bonus year. Everything after that, well, they've lost. It

768
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: has been excruciating. This is well, We've said, this is

769
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: probably the this is probably the easiest loss to take

770
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: of the five losses.

771
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean three years in a row they have

772
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: gotten their butts kicked like full stop. And I know

773
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: injuries are a part of it, but every team is

774
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: banged up, every team has obstacles, and we could list

775
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: off a dozen excuses. And to be clear, the injuries

776
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: this year for the Braves were very legitimate, but that

777
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: does not change the way they got dog walked by

778
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: Philadelphia the last two seasons. And I think from my

779
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: perspective today, and I think after a season ends, you

780
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: have a lot of thoughts and reflection on a year,

781
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it on the show in the

782
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: coming weeks. I in no spot of my mind do

783
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: I think. I don't know if Alexanthopolis is the guy.

784
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if Brian Snicker is the guy. But

785
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: if we're having the same conversation in another year, Brad,

786
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: and we're doing a post mortem where the Braves just

787
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: got their ass kicked again in the first round of

788
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs, it might be time then to have a

789
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: little bit of a discussion about this organization as a

790
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: whole and what they are doing and what they are

791
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: not doing. And again that's twelve months from now. Hopefully

792
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: we're doing World Series celebration pods this time next year.

793
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: But for today, I'm fine with it because of everything

794
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: this team dealt with. No GM and manager in baseball

795
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: could have navigated everything this team navigated through this year

796
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: and found themselves at the top. Maybe you could argue

797
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: they could have won a series or two or whatever,

798
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: but I just didn't see it, especially after they lost Sale.

799
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: But twenty twenty five feels like an important season on

800
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: the field, and not just regular season but playoffs. I

801
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: think they have to make a little bit of noise

802
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: in the playoffs this time in a year, or it's

803
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: time to probably start having a little bit of a

804
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: different conversation.

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00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be surprised if they have a season similar

806
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: to this one. If Snid is back again and that's

807
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: not and you because usually it's the manager first, right

808
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Usually now Sni's in this In this scenario, SNI actually

809
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: has the seniority advantage. He's been with the organzation forever,

810
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and we don't have to go down

811
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: this road a lot. But I do think that while

812
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: someone in my mentions will always say injuries are not

813
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: an excuse or whatever, it's a pretty good excuse this year.

814
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that there is a change coming at

815
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: that level. Now we have already teased this out and

816
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: we'll come back to it. A Kevin Sizer might be

817
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: in some trouble. Uh, that might be that might be coming.

818
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not I'm not reporting that. I'm just

819
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: saying that might be in some trouble. And I think

820
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: Scott would appreciate that if that word to be the case.

821
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: Not that you're roo for somebody to lose their job,

822
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: but that's that's the change. I think that's pretty obvious

823
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: one for me. But I don't think that Alex is

824
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: in any danger. And I have faith in Alex and

825
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: I get that he's not batting a thousand because no

826
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: one does. And yeah, would you do if you could

827
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: have it all back, would you do the Shawn Murphy

828
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: traded again?

829
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: Right now?

830
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't I And I'm a Sean Murphy guy.

831
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to defend Sean Murphy this winter. People are

832
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna yell at me. That's going to happen. I can

833
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: tell you that right now, And even I would probably

834
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: not do that trade again, as at this moment, there

835
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: are things that he would not want to do again.

836
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time arguing against Alex's track

837
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: record for the last seven years, Like, I can't really

838
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: do that. I don't. I don't have it in me.

839
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: And Snith's got flaws he always has, but his record's

840
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: free during good.

841
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: Too, and so do every other manager in baseball other

842
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: than like maybe Bruce Bochie who who like Bochi's amazing

843
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: with his results and everything like that. Dude's one of

844
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: four World Series in twelve years. Yeah, I agree, and

845
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: we don't again. I know we're getting laid here. No, well,

846
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: I we'll move on.

847
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: I there's you gave the list earlier, but there's so

848
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: much to hit on. I didn't expect us to come

849
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: on and say fire Alex, fire snit. I know people

850
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: were going to do that. I get it. It's a reaction.

851
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are gonna think that

852
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: in two weeks, Like the day after the Night of

853
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: people just get mad and they say things. So that's fine.

854
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself of that sometimes because I

855
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: get frustrated by it because I'm not that way generally speaking.

856
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: So it but that's fine. I totally get it. People

857
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 1: are super mad. The Brave's lost. It's high intensity. Even

858
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: in this we give all the Cabats earlier about how

859
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: we it's not necessarily expected them to lose, but like

860
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: did not have the sky high expectations that we've had

861
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And still I'm watching playoff

862
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Baseball and there's the not in my stomach, like it's not,

863
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: it's not. We all get it. We're still invested, but

864
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: there's decisions. I mean, Max is a big one. That's

865
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: the big free agent one where like everyone everyone that

866
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: we have talked to for months and months, including Buster

867
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: only on this podcast, literally on this podcast, a plugged

868
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: in national insider who didn't even like acknowledge Max as

869
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: like a chance to come back. That was a few

870
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: months ago. But like everyone thinks Max is gone. We

871
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: don't know he's gone, but everyone thinks he's gone. Everyone

872
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: Jhni Morton is probably going to retire, and I know

873
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: that there will be a party for some people in

874
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: the fan base, maybe even you, Scott, I'm kidding, I

875
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: give you a hard time with the Oh, I know,

876
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: I know, I'm mostly kidding, But that's not as big

877
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: of a deal as Max. Don't get me wrong, but like,

878
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: that's another piece that they've been able to rely on

879
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: for several years. It's probably gonna be going away. He's

880
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: probably gonna retire. If I had to guess right now,

881
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Ronnie would come back, but Ronnie won't probably be one

882
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: hundred percent Ronnie in April. What's this gonna look like

883
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: a shortstop? I mean, there's all kinds of questions that

884
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: have to answer under the pressure that you lay out.

885
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Because if we're thinking there's pressure on them, imagine what

886
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna feel from the general fan base. That's probably

887
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: a little bit more reactionary than we are. So Alex knows.

888
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you also do a press conference in

889
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: a few days and he's gonna be like, we know it,

890
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: we know, we know there's gonna be heat. This is unacceptable.

891
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: And some of that's true. I mean, it's a results

892
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: based business. He might even say that exact same thing.

893
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: But what you don't perform The injuries are real, they

894
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: are and you can't explain it. I still think and

895
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: I know you still think too. As we talked about it,

896
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: if you just take like a half a step back

897
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: and say, what would we have projected for the Braves

898
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: if we knew they weren't going to have Strider Akunya

899
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: Riley like Sale for the we could do ten minutes

900
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: on this. We won't. But really, Chris Sale just doesn't

901
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: pitch the last two weeks of the season, Like what

902
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: do we do? I mean, it's not There's a process

903
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: thing there that I will always have questions about. There's

904
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: also a luck thing, like how many years in a row?

905
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Can they just pitching just fall apart the last week

906
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: of the season. It's insane. So I don't know, man,

907
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be. You're right, though, I'm glad you

908
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: brought it up. I'm glad you brought up the conversation

909
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: because it's one everyone's going to be having around the Braves,

910
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: and I think that they're going to feel it, whether

911
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: they want to or not, they're going to feel it

912
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: after these three years in a row.

913
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, because let's blindly I tell listeners or I tell

914
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: you back in March that for two months, basically two months,

915
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: the Braves would be running an outfield of Jared Kalnick

916
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: in center field, Adam duvall In one of the corners,

917
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: and Eddie frickin' Rosario, who was dfaed by the Washington Nationals.

918
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, man, if I just I could probably

919
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: take ten minutes now and go over everything that went wrong,

920
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: and I would say, okay, Brad, flip back the calendar

921
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: seven months, what would you say the Braves record would be?

922
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean five hundred.

923
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it would have been worse. And I don't This

924
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: is what I actually don't care about. Like, I know

925
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: we're right about this. I know we are. If you

926
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: look at what the Braves had personnel wise, based on

927
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: those players' histories, they did not underperform. They didn't. I'm sorry.

928
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I understand they didn't want the vision this year. But

929
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: if you just look at the players that were available,

930
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: when they were available, how often they were available, Scott

931
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: as good as Remonal Loreano was on the stretch, they were,

932
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: they were without controversy, starting Gi Orchella and Ramal Loreano

933
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: every day for weeks and weeks and weeks. And Orlando

934
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Garcia is still on the lineup, and he was supposed

935
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: to be the guy who was their worst player coming

936
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: into the season, and he had a year that was

937
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: way worse than you expect. No, Ronnie Riley, who's been

938
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: instructible basically doesn't play. So I will stand on that

939
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: one for forever. And I know I'm even keel, but

940
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I hope people in a couple of weeks look at

941
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: the roster at least and look at the game's play

942
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: number on the left side of Baseball Reference and say, guys,

943
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: this is not a team that was supposed to win

944
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: one hundred games and win the World Series. The roster

945
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: they had this year was not that good. Could they

946
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: have done it? Sure they could have. The team that

947
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: won the one Series won eighty eight games. We all

948
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: are eighty seven games. Whatever it was. They didn't even

949
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: win ninety games that year and they won the World Series,

950
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: so it could have happened. But this is not that

951
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: good of a team. The personnel on this team by

952
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: the end, especially when you include like no Chris Sale

953
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: for the playoff. As I laughed saying it, it's not

954
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: that good. It just wasn't. Yeah.

955
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Injuries, man, I mean, you can never adequately prepare for

956
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: injuries and win. The top third of your roster is

957
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: basically all heard at one point or another, for any

958
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: chunk of amount of time in the season. It sucks.

959
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: It is what it is. It kind of felt like

960
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: a lost season to me, because, man, if they had

961
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: a healthy Ronald Raccunya Junior and a healthy Austin Riley

962
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: and a healthy Spencer Strider and a healthy Chris Sale

963
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: and didn't have Ozzie Alby spend three months on the

964
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: injured list, and didn't have Michael Harris spend two months

965
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: on the injured list, and didn't lose Sean Murphy for

966
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: months to an oblique and everything else, this could have

967
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 2: been a very, very very special baseball team, a team

968
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 2: that would have shattered some regular season records, maybe even

969
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: wins records for the franchise. And we'll just never know

970
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: because since day one again, the fifth or sixth inning

971
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: of Opening Day was Murphy's injury. A week later was

972
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: Strider's injury. A week later was Ozzie's broken toe. A

973
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: month later was Michael Harris and Ronald Vacunya, and on

974
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: and on and on. We don't have to relitigate all

975
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 2: of it. It could have been a very different season,

976
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: and it sucks that will never get to know just

977
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 2: how good this team could have been because of all

978
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: the crushing injuries.

979
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: And I will do my Sean Coleman impression one more

980
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: time and say everything you just laid out, that team

981
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. Still that kind of tells you for

982
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: me how good they are or good they should have been.

983
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: The fact that you took off whatever number you want

984
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: to say if wins, but replacement or value, all those things,

985
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: and they still made the playoffs and they had to

986
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: sneak in. It was drama by the end. But they

987
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: won more games this year than several playoff teams did

988
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: last year. The year before, it was like they won

989
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: eighty one games and had the luckiest s Braks ever

990
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. They were still a playoff level

991
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: baseball team with all of that up winning a nine games.

992
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: That for me the testament to how good they could

993
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: have been. To your point, so nobody wants to hear that. Now,

994
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: I give that, but we're trying to give you the

995
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: whole picture. And I can assure you if you're a

996
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: new listener or someone who's not been familiar with our

997
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: work in the past. In the off season, we have

998
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: teased it, but it's gonna be big picture discussions. It's

999
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: going to be more granular things like we generally do

1000
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: a like position kind of review kind of series and

1001
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: we talked about, We'll go super in depth on catchers,

1002
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: We'll be super in depth on the infield guys, et cetera.

1003
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Rick Kranitz, I'm sure on some podcasts.

1004
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: I'll talk about Kevin Seizer on some podcasts, like we're

1005
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: gonna do it all and it's gonna be multiple times

1006
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: per week pretty much all winter along. Please subscribe to

1007
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: the podcast, Scott, is there anything else that you want

1008
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: to get out there now before? We, Like you said,

1009
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be doing a show every day like

1010
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: we're going to be playing to do in October. That's

1011
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: really unfortunate. We won't have that much talk content to

1012
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: talk about in October. But we're not going far but

1013
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: on this kind of unofficial funeral, we call it funeral.

1014
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: Is it a post mortive? Is it away cool?

1015
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: Is this yeah? Yes to all the above. It is

1016
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: closure on a very challenging baseball season. And you know,

1017
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: in terms of what I think we've kind of given

1018
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: all of our takes on the series, I do want

1019
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: to quickly say, you know, this show launched, I believe

1020
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: May first was our first show.

1021
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: We broke the braves.

1022
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 2: That's what you're saying, we made to curse the Braves

1023
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: because everything went bad as soon as we launched the show.

1024
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, you know, we frankly had the

1025
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 2: rug pulled out from under us back at Battery Power,

1026
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: which absolutely sucked. We had no notice. I think they

1027
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: gave us a twenty minute heads up that all of

1028
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: our shows were being canceled. Not just ours, but every

1029
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: show across the boards at s B Nation was cut.

1030
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: It was like five days into the regular season and

1031
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: it was like, what are we going to do?

1032
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: Man?

1033
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: We've been doing this podcast for six seven years now

1034
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: at this point, so very very thankful for everybody who

1035
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: jumped on board with us. Went over to Hammer Territory.

1036
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: The guys and gals behind the scenes at Foul Territory

1037
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: are a plus individuals. They do a great show Monday

1038
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 2: through Friday, so if you do not check it out,

1039
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: it's in the middle of the work day. It's a

1040
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: great way to catch up on everything going on in

1041
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: baseball and behind the scenes. They have been so supportive

1042
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: of us, so a sincere thank you to them. And lastly,

1043
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: as Brad said, we will be here all off season long.

1044
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: We do the emergency shows whenever a trade or a

1045
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: free agent signing goes down.

1046
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: We'll do review well.

1047
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: Then you know, when spring comes around, we'll start talking

1048
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: about the twenty twenty five Braves. But until then, we

1049
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: promise we'll have a lot of good content and both

1050
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: digest the past season and then look ahead to the future.

1051
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: Nuts we'll put and yeah, since here, big thank you.

1052
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: I know you'll hear from Sean and Steven soon enough.

1053
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: They'll probably do their own for a post wardum too,

1054
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: because I'm sure they have takes they want to get off,

1055
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: and that's one of those things. And the four of

1056
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: us work together really well, and we have fun working together.

1057
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: We also do this show for the listeners, Like it's

1058
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: not just to hear ourselves talk. We can talk, we

1059
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: could talk offline, So we definitely appreciate everybody listening to

1060
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: the show, whether you are new this season or a

1061
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: throwback to previous. It was a wild ride to get here,

1062
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: as Scott just slaid out, but more to come. Thank you,

1063
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you sincerely, and if you just found

1064
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: us in the last couple of days, thanks for being

1065
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: here too. But please go ahead and subscribe and join

1066
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: us all once you're long All right, Scott, I think

1067
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: it's time to sign it off for the twenty twenty

1068
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: four season. Not for the year of calendar year anyway,

1069
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: but for the season on our end. I don't know

1070
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: it do and I will talk again. It'll be a

1071
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: few days. It won't be like tomorrow, but it won't

1072
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Speaker 1: be a month from now. Either. It's come.

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Speaker 2: I promis, yeah, yeah, we'll get together soon. Always fun

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Speaker 2: to do these with you, Brad Say said, we've been

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Speaker 2: doing these for many years. We have seen some stuff

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Speaker 2: on the show over the years. We've also gotten to

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Speaker 2: do postgame reactions to winning World Series. So it's great

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Speaker 2: thing good you take the bad. But yes, we'll have

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Speaker 2: plenty of shows coming on the audio side, wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your podcasts on YouTube, if you want to see

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Speaker 2: our faces, and wherever you are. We really do appreciate

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Speaker 2: you tuning in, whether it's been all season long or

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Speaker 2: just the last couple of days, and we will be

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Speaker 2: back and plenty of stuff on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: That's the point. We'll get Sean Steven on video too,

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Speaker 1: because I know people are just like, what does Sean

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Speaker 1: Coleman look like? I have so many questions. We'll get

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Speaker 1: Sean on there at some point, on the video side,

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Speaker 1: but one more time. Thank you everybody. Follow us across

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Speaker 1: the board Hamber Territory on social media, Follow Scott on

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Speaker 1: Twitter if you wants to at Scott coland fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Follow me there at BT Roland. Stay tuned, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you all next time.