1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a gorgeous fugitive yoga teacher 2 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: on the run. Where is she? She is suspected of 3 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: murdering her love rival. A love triangle ends in murder 4 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: according to us marshals, I mean it's grace. This is 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 6 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and series XM one eleven. Wow, what a mess. 7 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: And now we are finding out that the cops actually 8 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: had her in their hand, questioning her about the murder 9 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of a beautiful young world class cyclists. This young woman 10 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: was the number one female gravel cyclist in the world. 11 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Can you imagine trying to drive pedal a bike through 12 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: gravel and dirt. Well, this woman, the victim in this case, 13 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Anna Mariah Moe Wilson, just twenty five years old, was 14 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: the best in the world. She's dead, multiple gunshot wounds. 15 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: And now we learn that this gorgeous yoga teacher, hungry, 16 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: seething thinking her boyfriend had cheated on her, kills the 17 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: cyclist over what like, there's not gonna be another man 18 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: at the next bar and the next twenty five minutes 19 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: for you to meet. Seriously, first of all, take a 20 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: listen to this Mike Armstrong is shattered. He said his 21 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: daughter is not capable of committing the crime she's accused 22 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: of murdering a love rival in a fifth of jealous rage. 23 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: But there is one thing that he and authorities agree 24 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: upon at this point. There are a lot of when 25 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: I answer questions, here, we love you, Katie, and we 26 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: are going to figure this out this morning, the father 27 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: missing murder suspect Kitlyn Armstrong, speaking exclusively with ABC News, 28 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: right And I know how she thinks, and I know 29 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: what she believes, and I know that she would not 30 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: do something like this. I know her. I know her. 31 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: He says his daughter is not capable of committing the 32 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: crime she's charged with, shooting her alleged traumatic rival, rising 33 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: cycling star Ryan Wilson. That is what they believe. I 34 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: know that she did not do this. There are a 35 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: lot of one to answered questions. You were hearing our 36 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: friend Matt Gutman at ABC talking to suspect Kaitla Marie 37 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Armstrong's dad, RV Brandt. RV Brandt RV Brandt, former US 38 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Marshall Service International Investigations Branch, author of Flying Solo IRV. 39 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: It actually hurts me when I hear parents so heartbroken 40 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: that their child, they see them as a child, like 41 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I see my children as a child, even though they're fourteen, 42 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: insisting their child could never have done this thing, not 43 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: in a million years, and they really believe at eerv Nancy, 44 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, homicide devastates both sides of the family. 45 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: You know, we always think of the victim's side, of course, 46 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: but the family of the perpetrator's side is equally as devastated. 47 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: It's you know, they've lost their child also, and they 48 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: absolutely go into denial. They can't believe. If their child 49 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: can't believe it, I wouldn't believe it either. And you know, 50 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: I remember IRV Brandt, author of Flying Solo, Top of 51 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: the World. It's on Amazon and you can find them 52 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: at IRV Brandt dot com or I've seen it a 53 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: million times. And I'll be trying cases in court, typically 54 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: homicide cases. I would look over at the defendant family, 55 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: usually his mother, the last one standing, and I would 56 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: actually want to comfort her. Of course, I was the 57 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: last person that that mother would want anything to do with, 58 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: so I would wisely keep my distance. But I feel 59 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: so bad for them because in their minds, their child, 60 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: their adult child is completely innocent and is being persecuted, 61 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: but that simply is not what the facts show. Take 62 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Brian May's at KVUE. A 63 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: woman accused of killing a professional cyclist in Austin faces 64 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: a new charge tonight for fleeing the state of Texas. 65 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Police believe Caitlin Armstrong killed Adam Mariah Wilson in East 66 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: Austin in a home back on May eleven. Today, US 67 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: Marshals released this video of Armstrong at Austin's airport on 68 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: May fourteenth. Investigator she say she flew from Austin to 69 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: Houston and then onto New York three days later. They 70 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: issued a murder warrant for her, but she's still on 71 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: the run tonight today. Austin police also revealed that when 72 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: they took Armstrong in for questioning, she had a warrant 73 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: for an unrelated misdemeanor charge, but they couldn't arrest her 74 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: because the date of birth on the warrant was incorrect. 75 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: Investigators say she was quote mistakenly released when they questioned her. 76 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: She wasn't facing a murder charge. Is a misdemeanor warrant, 77 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: we would not necessarily have been able just to hold her. 78 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: She still would have been afforded bond just like everybody else. 79 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: She would have been able to post that bond as well. 80 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: Sounds to me like a lot of explaining needs to 81 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: be done. You got a dead world class cyclist found. 82 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 83 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starve and 84 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: Nive Hit series on iHeart Body Bags of Joe Scott Morgan. Remember, 85 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: she was found dead, no defensive wounds, in the bathroom 86 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: of this apartment where she was staying. She was there 87 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: in Texas strictly for a gravel race. Somebody got into 88 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: that place and shot her dead multiple times. They have 89 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: the suspect. They're talking to her and they let her go. 90 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: And now they're saying, but what, No, Joe Scott, they 91 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: ain't gutting it. No, And somebody's rear end's gonna get 92 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: chewed out over this as well. And they need to, Yeah, 93 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: they do, because now she's bolted and you know, they 94 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: don't have her, they can't put her hands on her 95 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: and if she is in fact guilty of what has occurred, 96 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: who knows, you know what else she's capable of at this, 97 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: at this, Thank you for giving me anohing Gray Mare. 98 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: You know, Stephanie Pagodas joining me special guests, joining us today, 99 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: Digital reporter, Fox Business and Fox News. You can find 100 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: her on Twitter at Stephanie Underscore Pagonas. Stephanie, thanks for 101 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: taking a break and joining us. You know what's well, 102 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: it's all concerning. It's like a mind twister when you 103 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: look at this gorgeous yoga teacher. Her name is Kaitlin 104 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: Marie Armstrong. She seemingly has it all. She is beautiful, 105 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: she's got this great yoga practice, she is in love 106 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: with the boyfriend. Everything's going along, just fine. All of 107 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, this woman seemingly guns down multiple shots to 108 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: the torso a love rival who happens to be in town. 109 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: What happens, Stephanie Pagonas, that's right, Nancy. Well, so, you know, 110 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: this woman has allegedly shown signs of what might be 111 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: considered jealousy toward Colin Strickland's relationship with Anna Mariah Wilson. 112 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Strickland insists that, spite a brief relationship in October twenty 113 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: twenty one, there's kind of turned into a platonic one, 114 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: that being Strickland and Wilson. Okay, wait wait wait wait 115 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: wait wait wait, we've got the yoga teacher who's on 116 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: the run. And how the hey this woman managed to 117 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: get out of Texas and where did her flight? Guess 118 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: she went from Austin to Houston to New York and hello, 119 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: nobody noticed this is a murder fugitive. Nope, you know what, 120 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: Stephanie Bigonis. When I go through security at the airport, 121 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: they go through my bag, they go through my backpack, 122 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: They look at me and typically have to go through 123 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: the metal detector, and then they wannd me. You know, 124 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: they pat down the whole thing and there I am 125 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: with the children. They take out every piece of paper 126 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: and look at it in my backpack. But this woman, 127 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: a murder fugitive, goes from Austin to Houston to New 128 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: York and nobody notices what was that. That's so police 129 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: are saying that she was never flagged because the arrest 130 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: warrant for her murder was not issued until May seventeenth, 131 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: that's three days after she flew from, like you said, 132 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: Austin to Houston and then to New York. But police 133 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: interviewed her days earlier. I believe on May twelfth. They 134 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: had a misdemeanor warrant at the time I believe for 135 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: a larceny that stemmed back from twenty eighteen, But they 136 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: let her go because there a discrepancy, like you said, 137 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: in the dates, So they let her go, and they 138 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: said that even with the misdemeanor warrant that likely would 139 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: not have would not have prohibited her from flying on 140 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: May fourteenth, So she went under the radar. And then 141 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: when police ultimately linked it this firearm to her on 142 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: May seventeenth, that is when they issued the murder warrants, 143 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: was definitely agonis. At the time they questioned her, isn't 144 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: it true they had already seen her black suv circling 145 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: the victim's house just before the murder, That is correct. 146 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: James Shellnutt, twenty seven years Metro major case including Squat 147 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: now lawyer and the shell Nutt Law firm. They see 148 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: her circling like a vulture in her black suv around 149 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: and around. The cyclist guy's a cyclist name. She's also gorgeous. 150 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: Mo Wilson. I will refer to her often as the 151 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: cyclist Mo, because we've got the cyclist mo. We've got 152 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Collins Strickland, and we got the yoga teacher 153 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: on the run. Her name is Kaitla Marie Armstrong. So 154 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna go with cyclist, boyfriend, yoga teacher on the run, 155 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: James Shellnut. They already had the yoga teacher circling her 156 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: like a vulture one minute, okay after before the shootings. 157 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: Obviously they knew that when they bring her in for questioning, 158 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: they had to already know about the love triangle. But 159 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: they still I don't care what they're saying about. She 160 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: had an outdated misdemeanor warrant. That's bs they're trying to 161 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: see ya cover their rear ends about that misdemeanor warrant. 162 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: They let her slip through their fingers. That's what happened, James, Oh, 163 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: I grew with you one hundred percent, and you know 164 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: it's the little things that come back and get you. 165 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: They had her, they could have prevented her from escaping. 166 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: They could have prevented her from going somewhere else, possibly 167 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: purchasing another firearm and rearming herself after she gets off 168 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: a flight and maybe encounters law enforcement. There was a 169 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: chance to stop it. The system failed, and it failed 170 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: because of just the smallest of mistakes, the smallest which 171 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: blows up. You're so right about that? How did this 172 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: whole thing go down? Take a listen to to take 173 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: to Richard Spiller, Austin PD. On twenty twenty two, at 174 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: approximately nine fifty six pm, Austin Police officers responded to 175 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: a check welfare urgent call at seventeen o eight Maple 176 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: Avenue in Austin. Upon their arrival, they found the resident 177 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: of seventeen o eight Maple Avenue performing CPR on a female. 178 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: That female was Anna Wilson. Despite the life saving efforts, 179 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: Anna Wilson was pronounced to cease at ten ten pm. 180 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: The preliminary investigation revealed that Anna Wilson, a cyclist, was 181 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: visiting Austin and staying with her friend on her way 182 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: to the Dallas area for a race. On investigation shows 183 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: that before her death, Wilson was in the company of 184 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Colin Strickland. The preliminary investigation revealed that Colin dropped Wilson 185 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: off at seventeen o eight Maple Avenue at approximately eight 186 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: thirty six pm. Investigators obtained ring camera video from the 187 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: neighborhood to capture a vehicle at seventeen o eight Maple 188 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Avenue within two minutes of the time Colin dropped off Wilson. 189 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: It was later discovered that vehicle was registered to Colin's girlfriend, 190 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong. Okay, the way that they rattle that off 191 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: so quickly, it's kind of hard to take in to 192 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: RNYA man Carrius joining Us, CEO of Crime Stoppers of Houston, 193 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: author of the online world What You Think You Know 194 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: and What You Don't. That's a good title, Anya Ryan, 195 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Could you just break it down. This is my understand 196 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: The cyclist Mo was in town for a gravel race. 197 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: She's gonna win number one in the world female cyclist, 198 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: and she's staying with a friend at an apartment. The 199 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: friend gives her a key code to use. A lot 200 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: of people do that. It's like your alarm code or 201 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: a key code to get in. Instead of an actual key, 202 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: you have a digital key. She goes out with her 203 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: former boyfriend Colin Strickland. They go swimming. I think they 204 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: stop for something to eat, and he drops her off 205 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: on a motorcycle. He doesn't even come in. It's a 206 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: public swimming pool. To Eddie, that's it. No sex, no 207 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: love talk, nothing like that. Now, they had had a brief, 208 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: like a two week relationship during a time he was 209 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: broken up with the yoga teacher. My understanding is police 210 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: believe yoga teacher finds out he is with his former flame, 211 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: even though it may be innocent, and goes berserk. That's 212 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: my understanding of what happened. What about it ruin you? Yeah, 213 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: that's about right. But here's an interesting part. They have 214 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: a history of what I would call toxicity in a relationship. 215 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Armstrong has talked to multiple people who have told police 216 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: that she was fuming with anger when she found out 217 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: about this relationship, shaking with anger, said I will get 218 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: a gun, I will I want to kill her. Then 219 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: what's following her using social media or technology in this case, 220 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: using the Strava app to follow mo and then hunt 221 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: her down, gain entry into the place where she's staying 222 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: and kill her. And what's so interesting is that you 223 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: look at the follow up. Even Colin Strickland when he 224 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: returns home, makes all the excuses I was running Erin's 225 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: my cell phone diet, I couldn't reach you, And then 226 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: if you read the app to day, but it's so 227 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: interesting he proceeds to call Armstrong three times within a 228 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: really short period of time. And I found that interesting 229 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: because to me, it looks like the toxicity existed between 230 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: Strickland and Armstrong and Wilson was just an innocent victim 231 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: in all of this. So you're saying they already had 232 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: this bad relationship because you know, to you, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, 233 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: and I want to circle back, anybody, remember this ain't 234 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: a tea party at High Grove, jump in. I want 235 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: to talk about that Strava str a va app that 236 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: you just heard Runnya mccarrios mentioned. But to doctor Sherry Schwartz, 237 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: I guess she was angry the yoga teacher because she 238 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:52,239 Speaker 1: finds out her boyfriend, Colin Strickland, had put the cyclist 239 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: put Moe's name in his cell phone under a fake name, 240 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: and he would lie about where he was going. You know, 241 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: when your boyfriend or husband has another woman's name in 242 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: his phone under a fake name, that's a problem. Doctor Sherry, 243 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: Well that's a big problem. And the thing is most 244 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: of us look at something like that and say, well, 245 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: why would he stay in a relationship where he feels 246 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: he has to do that? And then on the other side, 247 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: why does she stay in a relationship with somebody who 248 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: is doing that right, because on both sides here there's 249 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: a problem. Now, if Caitlin did kill Mariah, then what 250 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: we have to look at is this rumination process that 251 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: seems to have been at work here, with this obsessive 252 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: jealousy where she spends an extraordinary amount of time almost 253 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: obsessed with the idea that he's lying and he's seeing her. 254 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: And then the vehicle which appears to be very similar 255 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: to her showing up near Mariah's house at the time 256 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: when she was killed. I mean, let's say think about 257 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: it for a minute, Runna mccarios, how many times do 258 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: you think the yoga teacher, the one whose father insists 259 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: that she's innocent, Caitlin Marie Armstrong, how many times do 260 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: you think she got her boyfriend's cell phone when he 261 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: was asleep and would just go through it and go 262 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: through it, look at all the texts, look at the 263 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: contacts to figure out she knew something was going on, 264 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: but she didn't know what it was. Don't you know 265 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: that drove her crazy? Runya absolutely, And we also know 266 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: that she made multiple calls to the cyclist, multiple calls 267 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: to the point that Wilson had to block her number. 268 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: So it's a hunt. It's a predatory hunt. She was 269 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: hiding her like a funny rabbit. Absolutely, you can tell 270 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: me about Strava app. Anybody on the palel know about 271 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: Strava s t r A v A. Yeah, I mean, 272 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: I'll quickly jump in. It's an online cycling app. Cyclists 273 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: use the app track where they take off from, how 274 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: long they've ridden their bikes. They map out their course 275 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: and then show when and where they return. You know, 276 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: it's another danger with social media and connectivity today because 277 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: you're letting your audience know, your community know exactly where 278 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: you are in real time, not taking into account that 279 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: some of the people following you on the app, as 280 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: in this case, may not have your best interest at heart. 281 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: And of course we see so many people using technology 282 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: in this way, and unfortunately we also see it turn deadly. Guys, 283 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend, 284 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: Detective Richard spill Austin p D. Take a listen what 285 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: he says about how the yoga teacher responded when she 286 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: was first questioned. Listen the Awesome Police Department's tack Until 287 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Unit located Collin at his residence and he agreed to 288 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: an interview. The Awesome Police Department is aware that the 289 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: ring camera video was released. The Awesome Police Department did 290 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: not release that video and will not release any footage 291 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: to protect the investigations integrity members of attack until unit 292 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: located Armstrong and she was arrested for a missametor warrant 293 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: issued out of Travis County. Armstrong was transported to the 294 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: main police station and interview. Armstrong was questioned about her 295 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: vehicle being in the area as pictured on the ring camera. However, 296 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: she would not confirm or deny being in the area 297 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: of the murder and quickly terminated the interview. Quickly terminated 298 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: the interview. James shell nutt, I bet she did quickly 299 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: terminate the interview. Oh, I bet she was ready to 300 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: get out of there. And I bet she's thinking her 301 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: lucky stars where she all tell that police department. You know, 302 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: you look at this, It makes morder whatever happened to 303 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: investigative Hole. I mean, you have a substantial amount of 304 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: evidence right there in Granted they didn't have everything that 305 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: they have now, but could you not go back and 306 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: double checked this warrant? They said that they had the 307 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: wrong dB on it and therefore were no good. Are 308 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: you serious? That is what we call under the law, 309 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: a technical error, and it will not the viability of 310 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: the warrant. It's an example like, say, I want to 311 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: arrest Stephanie Pigonis. I've got a search warrant. I see 312 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: her at the scene of the crime. She can't give 313 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: me an excuse. I know she's got a motive, her 314 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: car is right there, but uh oh, I misspelled her name. 315 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: I put t S instead of st for Stephanie. That 316 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the warrants no good. But they said they 317 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: had the d OB wrong day of birth, so the 318 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: warrant was no good. WHOA what a mess? Time stories 319 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: with Nancy Greece. Hey, you know Stephanie Pigonis. Now that 320 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: I've cast you as my next killer, why would call it? 321 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: Strickland get together with mo to start with, he knew 322 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: it was going to cause trouble with his girlfriend, the 323 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: yoga teacher. Why do it? Well? Where did they go? 324 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: He even went as far as deleting text messages that 325 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: he had between her. But on that night, the night 326 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: that she was murdered earlier that day, they went swimming 327 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: at the deep Eddie pool like you said, and then 328 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: they went out to eat. They took Colin's motorcycle to 329 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: do so, and he dropped her off at the home 330 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: and then he left. He did not go inside. He 331 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 1: dropped her off and he pulled away. And then just 332 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: a minute later you can see the dark colored suv 333 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: matching the description of Armstrong's vehicle pulling up. So right 334 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: after he leaves, Stephanie mganns, he takes off on his motorcycle. 335 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: Then she the yoga teacher, pulls in. That's correct, you 336 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: can see, I believe, just a minute later, but definitely 337 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: within two minutes you can see the vehicle pull up. 338 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: And this Strava app str a VA that Ronyan mccarrius 339 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: is telling us about. She's the CEO of Crime Stoppers 340 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: of Houston and an author, Stephanie. The Strava app is 341 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: thing a lot of cyclists to use, and it's for 342 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: their fans and it shows where you're going, like if 343 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: you're going to take a bi cry, you pinpoint it 344 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: and people can follow your progress. That's the way I 345 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: understand the app. Yes, and I'm not as familiar with 346 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: the app, but I can say that Strickland and Wilson 347 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: did see each other frequently at races. Like you said, 348 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: Wilson was absolutely leading the pack in turn of her 349 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: career with cycling, and Strickland has said quite frankly that Armstrong, 350 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: while she did participate in these bike races, she was 351 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: not near the level of Wilson and Strickland, and she 352 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: actually was more just a participant than she was ever 353 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: a competitive racer. You know what I bet, Sherry Schwartz, 354 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: I bet the yoga teacher would just tag along to 355 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: get those bicycle races where her boyfriend Strickland was pretty 356 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: good and Mo Wilson was world class number one, so 357 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: she could watch watch over what he was doing and 358 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: keep an eye on him at those bike races because 359 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: she knew I would be there, no doubt. And I 360 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: felt like I read somewhere at the beginning of this 361 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: case that Strickland may have told Armstrong because she was 362 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: trying to cycle as well, and he told her that 363 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: she sort of held him back because she wasn't at 364 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: that level. Boyfriend, tails girlfriend, yoga teacher, you know what, 365 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: you don't need to come to the race. You're holding 366 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: me back? Are you serious? Exactly? All talk about pouring 367 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: gas on the flame. That's exactly what happened. What jumping 368 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: I have to jump in and just think as any 369 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: woman would you know this. But he's a boyfriend, he's 370 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: a business partner she had obviously they have a very 371 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: possessive relationship. She's found out that he's had an on again, 372 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: off again relationship with this woman who's been dubbed the 373 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: winningest woman in America. This is this is Moe. Chief 374 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: finds out that her boyfriend's been talking to her, deleting 375 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: text messages, changing her name on the cell phone, and 376 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: then he also pins her the You know, Mo as 377 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: just an esteemed colleague, somebody that he respects in his 378 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: taking off in this field, whereas she, the girlfriend, the 379 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: business partner, is just baggage, is just somebody that tags 380 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: along and weighs them all down. Can you imagine the 381 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: hatred that she is brewing within her towards towards the cyclist. 382 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean you can see it as clear as day. Motive, anger, aggression. 383 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: Now she has a weapon, she has the ability to 384 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: pull it off. She can pen her location and time precisely. 385 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: Her prey is there for the taking, and you know 386 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: Stephanie Vagona's fallowing up on what she just said. And 387 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, everybody shell not Schwartz, Brandt, Morgan, everybody jump in. 388 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Can you imagine she's got her boyfriend. He's lying to 389 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: her face about where he is at that moment and 390 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: who he's with. She's following them on the motor side. 391 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: She sees them first cycle. She sees him drop off 392 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: Mo the cyclist and take off, and then she pulls 393 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: right in and she's looking at his b S text 394 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: about where he is. Is my understanding of the facts, Stephanie. 395 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: That must have just driven her over the edge. And 396 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: not only that, but she appeared to be so angry 397 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: with the situation that she even went as far as 398 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: rolling her eyes and appearing angry during her interview with police. 399 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: You know, while she was guarded and completely still, she 400 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: clearly wasn't guarded enough because she appeared angry while police 401 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: were asking her questions about how Colin had seen Mo 402 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: the day that she was murdered. So where is she now? 403 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: This woman is no idiot. If she went from Austin 404 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: to Houston to New York, LaGuardia. You ever been in LaGuardia, Oh, 405 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: Golly LaGuardia and JFK. It's like this with people, you 406 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: can get lost and just disappear. And the fact that 407 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: she's going north indicates to me that she's obviously not 408 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: going to Mexico to high that maybe she's going to 409 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: Canada somewhere where she can disappear and maybe in a 410 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: big metropolitan area and never be seen again unless she 411 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: backtracks back. Because a lot of witnesses are afraid she's 412 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: going to come back and kill them. They're insisting that 413 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: they remain anonymous. Witnesses and tipsters to police. They're afraid 414 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: of this woman. How in the world is she alluding? 415 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: US Marshals and Texas Rangers. Listen to our friends at 416 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: Fox seven. Armstrong has not been seen since May thirteenth. 417 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: She's also deleted all her social media accounts, according to 418 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: anonymous tips to APDs homicide Unit. Wilson died on May 419 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: eleventh in an East Austin apartment. Her friend that she 420 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: was staying with found her bleeding and unconscious upon returning home. 421 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: Police say she suffered from multiple gunshot wounds. Wilson traveled 422 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: to Austin for the Gravel Locos Race, where she was 423 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: favored to win earlier this month. A few weeks before that, 424 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: she also won another competition out in California. She and 425 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: Armstrong both had romantic relationships with the same man, Colin Strickland, 426 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: another professional cyclist. The day of Wilson's death, she and 427 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Strickland went to Deep Betty's pool and ate dinner together. 428 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: The two had a week long relationship last fall, and 429 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: that's while he was on a break from his relationship 430 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: with Armstrong. Detectives believe that video shows Armstrong's suv pulling 431 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: up to the home Wilson was staying in just one 432 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: minute after Strickland dropped her off. When Armstrong was confronted 433 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: with the video of the vehicle, detectives wrote, quote, she 434 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: had no explanation as to why it was in the 435 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: area and did not make any denials. Wow, okay, So 436 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: to you or brand former US Marshal Service International Investigation 437 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: is Branch author a flying solo Top of the World. 438 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: It's on Amazon and find him at er Brant dot 439 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: com IRV. How in the world has this yoga teacher 440 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: managed to outsmart Texas Ranger, the Austin PD and now 441 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: the US Marshals. Well, she's outsmart at him for right now, 442 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: but not for long. Casey and Vicky White outsmart at 443 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: him for a little while. Didn't work out well for 444 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: them either or brand. When you say Casey and Vicky White, 445 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about the employee of the year, Vicky White, 446 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: the jailer that helped the killer, the confessed killer, Casey 447 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: White escape, They go on the run, Vicky White ends 448 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: up shooting herself. Then you know what, You're right, They 449 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: did outsmart everybody for a minute. Okay, go ahead, and 450 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: this is going to be the case with the yoga teacher. 451 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: She took a flight from the hobby to get on 452 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: a Southwest Airline flight to Mcgwardia. And like you said, possible, 453 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: she could have went to Canada. I think it's more 454 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: likely she didn't leave the airport, I mean and just 455 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: walk to the counter. There's air France, there's British Airways, 456 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: there's Kalem and she left the country. But if that's 457 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: the case, the US Marshall Service, through interpoll, they'll track 458 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: her down. They'll bring her back. You think so now 459 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: she's smart enough to delete all of her social media. 460 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: She's flying under the radar. Joe Scott I guarantee you 461 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: that somehow she's got her mits on and burn her phone. 462 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: She's not using her cell phone anymore, she's not probably 463 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: not using her credit cards. But how much money could 464 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: she have stockpiled as a yoga teacher, Joe Scott, let's 465 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: think this thing through. Yeah, I know. And that's one 466 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: fascinating aspect of this. There is CCTV freeze frame images 467 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: of her, and I find this kind of I'm looking 468 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: right at them. Yeah, I find this kind of interesting. Nancy, 469 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: she was actually seen in line and get this holding 470 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: her rolled up yoga mat at it. Yeah, And I'm thinking, 471 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, to Earth's point, I think this is you know, 472 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a behaviorist, but this idea that people don't 473 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: really change from their previous behaviors. They can for a 474 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: little bit maybe, but you know they're gonna slip back in. 475 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: You know. I gotta tell you, if if I was 476 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: being hunted for a capital homicide, which this is, I think, 477 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I think the last thing I'd 478 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: be thinking about is picking up my barbels or picking 479 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: up my yoga mat or whatever and hauling that with me. 480 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: But it's apparently very important to her. Hey, you know what, 481 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: hold on. You just gave me a thought, and I 482 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: hear what you said. You're saying. You're saying that people 483 00:30:46,240 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: don't change their behavior. Got it crime stories with Nancy Grace. 484 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: If I was known as the yoga teacher, that's what 485 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: we're calling her, I wouldn't have my yoga mat strapped 486 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: on my back like she does. But also she has 487 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: not changed her appearance. Her hair long blonde, curly hair. 488 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: She hasn't cut it, she hasn't dyed it. She's wearing 489 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: the same thing in both photos. I would think to 490 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: take an international flight, she might have to get over 491 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: to JFK. I would be immediately looking for you know, 492 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: when you're in an uber or a lyft or I 493 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: guess even a cab. Now in New York, they got 494 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: a video on you, I would be looking for that. 495 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: But I'm very surprised that they haven't been able to 496 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: try where she went from there. So everybody jump in 497 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: how is she doing it? And another question off topic, 498 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: Dotta Sherry Schwartz really all this over one guy? Well, 499 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand it, but we know that when somebody 500 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: has pathological obsessive jealousy like this and get so caught 501 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: up that they can't put that out of their mind 502 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: that sometimes they do resort to violence. So and honestly, Nancy, 503 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: it's not probably just about the guy. It probably is 504 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: very much about her and how it made her feel, 505 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: and the fact that this maybe embarrassed her made her angry. 506 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: So it's less about him and more about why not 507 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: kill him. I'm not suggesting that anybody kill him. I'm precurious. Well, 508 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: and that's the question, why not, right, Because clearly in 509 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: her mind she thinks this is love, right, this is love. 510 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: She loves him, and she sees him as her property, 511 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: hence following him. And from what the police allege that 512 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: she is the perpetrator, right, that she is the perpetrator 513 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: who killed Mariah so in that vein, when you look 514 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: at it that way, she may see arms Colin Strickland 515 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: as her property. He's mine. And you know, I don't 516 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: want to put any there's no blame on Strickland, the boyfriend, 517 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: or the victim. But the last thing I would want 518 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: to you run out, mccarrius, is to dredge up some 519 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: old boyfriend that I know would anger my husband. That's 520 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do I don't want 521 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: to have lunch, I don't want to have coffee. I 522 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: don't want to even have a long phone conversation. No, No, 523 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: that ship has sailed. I don't get it. What was 524 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: his thinking? Why would he want to go swimming and 525 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: have dinner with the woman he knows will incite his girlfriend. Yeah, 526 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: and he clearly does know that, because he's taken great 527 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: length to hide his communication with Mariah Wilson. But here's 528 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: the deal. He you know, I don't know him, And 529 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: again I'm just looking at the facts here. He said 530 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: they had a romantic relationship for two weeks, it turned 531 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: clearly platonic, that she was one of the most respected 532 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: colleagues in what he called a very lonely sport. And 533 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: I think he was putting himself above everybody else. You know, 534 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: when you tell somebody not to do something, they'll dig 535 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: in their heels and do it anyway. It may have 536 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: just been a knee jerk reaction to being controlled, but 537 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it's knee jerk in the sense that 538 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: it seems very calculated, very planned. I mean, they've been 539 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: talking to arrange this time together in Austin, him hiding 540 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: all that communication and if he's in a relationship, a 541 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: committed relationship with Armstrong, they have a business together, She's 542 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: worth the conversation. You know, listen, you think that this 543 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: relationship is it's just a friend, Come with me. There's 544 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: nothing to hide, you know. This is a lonely sport. 545 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm helping build Moe's career. He was helping her get 546 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: sponsorships at the time. If he's committed to Armstrong, it's 547 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: worth the uncomfortable, difficult conversation and it's worth respecting her, 548 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: all right. Take a listen to this our cut twenty 549 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: from our friends at crime online dot Com. Colin Strickland 550 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: picked Anna Wilson up for their swim date on his motorcycle. 551 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: The pair spent time at the City of Austin's Deep 552 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: Betty Pool, then walked to Poolburger to eat. Afterwards, he 553 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: drove Wilson back to her friends home, but didn't go inside. 554 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: On the way home, Strickland stopped to text Armstrong at 555 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: eight thirty six pm. His text message said, hey, are 556 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: you out? Went to drop some flowers for Alison at 557 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: herson's house up north and my phone died heading home. 558 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: Unless you have another food suggestion, Strickland lied to his girlfriend. 559 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: Strickland arrived home around eight forty three pm and sent 560 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Armstrong another text and headed to the garage to work 561 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: on his bicycles to prepare for an upcoming race. He 562 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: sent another text message to Armstrong at nine twenty one, 563 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: and not long after, Arstrong arrived home driving a twenty 564 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: twelve to Grand Cherokee with a large bicycle rack mounted 565 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: on the trailer hitch, a luggage rack mounted on the roof, 566 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: and chrome around the windows. According to Strickland, Armstrong was 567 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: the only person to drive that vehicle, and we know 568 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: that witnesses are afraid. They are actually afraid. The yoga teacher, 569 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong is now going to come after them. Take 570 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: us to our cut twenty two from cry Online. Two 571 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: days after Anna Wilson's murder, police contacted one of Wilson's friends, 572 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: who remains anonymous, to prevent being targeted by Armstrong. According 573 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: to their friend, Armstrong discovered Wilson's phone number and contacted 574 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: the cyclist several times, warning her to stay away from Strickland. Ultimately, 575 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: Wilson blocked Armstrong's phone number. The friend tells police that 576 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: Armstrong began following Wilson on Instagram, feeding into Armstrong's jealousy. 577 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: Police say Colin Strickland had bragged on Wilson's talent on 578 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: a bicycle and had told us girlfriend that training with 579 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: Armstrong was holding him back. He was constantly having to 580 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: stop and wait for Armstrong to catch up. Three days 581 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: after the murder, police get an anonymous call. The caller 582 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: tells police that Armstrong had discovered Strickland was having a 583 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: romantic relationship with Wilson, and that made Armstrong furious to 584 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: the point that she said she wanted to kill Wilson. 585 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: Oh how they let her slip through their fingers, I 586 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: don't know, but I want you to hear what we're 587 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: learning from the US Marshals. Take a listen to our 588 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: cut thirty four our friends at CBS Austin, Deputy US 589 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: Marshal Brandon Felis says on May twelfth, Armstrong was brought 590 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: in for questioning, but APD wasn't able to give profitable 591 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: costs until May seventeenth, when she spoke with a homicide detective. 592 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: She couldn't explain why her SUV was in the area, 593 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: if she thought or she knew she was going to 594 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: be wanted for this. She probably had a five day 595 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: head start the Affadavid states Armstrong contacted Wilson asking her 596 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: not to speak with Colin Strickland. Strickland tells police she 597 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: made statements expressing a desire to kill Wilson. Investigators say 598 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: Armstrong was the only person with access to the gun 599 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: used in the crime, which was bought by Strickland. Law 600 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: officials are now asking for the public's help to find her. 601 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: Kaylin is driving a black Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 602 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: Texas license plate LDZ five six zero eight. That vehicle 603 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: is registered to Caitlyn Armstrong and that vehicle is still 604 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: outstanding and has not been located. And we strongly believe 605 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: that Caitlin is still using that Geep for her primary 606 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: transportation and her rest warrant for Kaylin Armstrong has been 607 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: issued on a charge of first degree murdering. Okay, rapid fire, 608 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: tell me where you think she is and how she's 609 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: getting away with it. I say she's gone to New 610 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: York and tried to cross over the Canada border. Or 611 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 1: she's in the New York metropolitan area trying to figure 612 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: out her next move. Okay, RNYA men carry US joining 613 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: US from Crime Star Operas Houston. Where is she? I 614 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: actually think she went to Europe. I think she went 615 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: as far as possible, as far away as possible. James Shelna, 616 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro major case. Where is she? I 617 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: think she possibly went to Canada. You know, Canada has 618 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: a treaty or a rule of law that says that 619 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: there's no extradition back to the United States if the 620 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: death penalty is on the table. I think Dotna Sherry Schwartz, 621 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: what's she thinking? Where'd she go? I thought the same thing, 622 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: Europe or Canada, somewhere where they won't extradate when the 623 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: death penalty is on the table. Or Brandt, you're the 624 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: specialist former US Marshal Service. Where is she? Okay? I'll 625 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: take a shot at it. She's in the yoga studio 626 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: in Barcelona. I love you, okay. Jeff Scott Morgan. I'm 627 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: thinking she's still in the New York metro area. That's 628 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, Canada is off the table. It's a horrible 629 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: place to try to get into Canada. You'd fly to Detroit, 630 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: be a lot easier to do that. If she hopped 631 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: an international flight, she should pop up on customs or 632 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: on State Department's radar as well. I think she's in 633 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: a car and she's visiting Niagara Falls yoga studio as 634 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: we speak right now. Okay, Stephanie Pagonas, you're the one 635 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: closest to the case. What do you think. I think 636 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: she got the heck out of New York City. There 637 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: are too many cameras there. I live here in New 638 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: York City. I mean they are everywhere. I think she 639 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: got the heck out of the city, but I think 640 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: she's still in the United States. I think she's in 641 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: a suburban area, laying low and probably doing some yoga. 642 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: But I don't think she fled the country. We wait 643 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: as justice unfals Nancy Grace kind of story, signing off, 644 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: goodbye friend.