1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: One of my favorite people, Alexi lalas Fox Sports Soccer analysts. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer and he is joining us. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: So there is a randomness sometimes to hockey and soccer 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: where you can outplay a team and you find yourself trailing. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: What I tend to look at is possession, percentage, shots 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: on goal tells me the story. So when it goes 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: in to you know, anytime it goes into like a 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: penalty kicks or shootouts, I thought we had control of possession. 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: I thought we had over twice as many kicks. Forget 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Matt Freeze for a second. I thought they played well yesterday. 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: What was your interpretation before we went into penalty kicks. 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think it was a great performance. But 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: to your point, I thought that the United States was 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: the better team on the day. When you look at 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: some of those statistics, because as we know, it can 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: be misleading, especially when it comes to soccer, where you 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: don't even have to have the ball, the entire game 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: can still find a way to win, and especially when 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: it comes to penalties if you are an inferior team, 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: which this particular version of Costa Rica was, and I 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: think they recognized it. They said, listen, we'll take our 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: chances when it comes to penalties. Although credit to them 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: for fighting back individual mistakes and momentary lapses, but overall 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: the US was, for lack of a better phrase, the 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: better team, but the better team doesn't always win, especially 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: when it comes to soccer, and especially when you have 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: this kind of great equalizer of penalties that's looming large. 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: And in this case, it went right to penalties as 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: opposed to going to the extra thirty men, and it's 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: that oftentimes traditionally has happened. So it changes the dynamic 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: and the mindset of the players in the moment. If 39 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: you're the best team, there's an urgency to get it 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: done in the ninety minutes, and if you're not the 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: best team, it's only ninety minutes that you have to 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: withstand and bend. But don't break. 43 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: So outside of Berhalter's miss good misses makes I think 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: this is something again. People in soccer sometimes pooh pooh 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: penalty kicks, and my take is it's about execution, and 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: the two things to me in soccer that win World 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Cups is offensive execution and making sure you don't give 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: up cheap goals. You're going to advance out of the 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: group stage. You don't have to be perfect at midfield. 50 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to be always great on. 51 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: The back end. 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: You can't give up cheap goals. And do you execute 53 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: on your set plays, on your corner kicks. So my 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: takeaway is the PK beyond freeze I thought was impressive. 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: I thought it really was. Your takeaway on freeze and beyond. 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, penalties are interesting. And I'll give you my spiel 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: that I always do in that it's not random, it's 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: not luck. It's not a coin flip, you know, it's 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: it's not a situation where just anything happens. It is 60 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: a skill, it is a practice skill, it is a 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: necessary skill. And whether it's the goalkeeper and what he 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: or she is doing and the research that goes into 63 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: that moment, or whether it's the actually penalty kicker. And 64 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: keep in mind that you know, you can look at 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: it and and people that have watched the game. No, 66 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: and even if you haven't watched the game, we've always 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: seen it a couple of times. It is incredibly weighted 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: towards the kicker. Seventy nine percent of the kicks actually 69 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: go in historically, And so for a goalkeeper, you save one, 70 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: you're that's you know, now we're now, we're now we 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: got something we can work with. You say save two 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: and oh my goodness, we're we're in rarefied air here 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: and save free or more. It's just it doesn't happen 74 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: in penalty kicks. So there's a lot that's going on 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: up here relative to penalty kicks. But when you win, 76 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: it's great, and when you don't, it's the worst thing 77 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: in the world and it should be abolished. 78 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: So I got to ask you, as a as a 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and a defender, you have a link. 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: There's a certain connectivity for the guy right behind you, Alexi. 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Is what we saw from Matt Free. It was jaw dropping. 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 1: I'm telling my wife, I'm like, we not only made 83 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: three stops, he touched the two others. This doesn't happen ever, 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: you tell me, is it instincts? Is their homework you 85 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: can do to People have tells like, how do you 86 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: explain what Freeze did? I've never seen three saves hand 87 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: on two others, never guessed rung. I've never seen that. 88 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: Explain it if you can. Yeah, so for people that 89 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: might be you know, just tuning in. Matt Freese was 90 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: the goalkeeper. He's been the goalkeeper through this Gold. 91 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: Cup, and yeah, we're three hundred and forty six days 92 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: away from the World Cup next summer. We don't know 93 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: who was ultimately going to be that starting goalkeeper in 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: that there is a competition. So for Matt Freeze, this 95 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: is a huge day and a huge moment. He talked 96 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: about the research that goes in and yeah, you have 97 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: you know, video and you're watching, you have tendencies and 98 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: you see statistically what players have done, and sometimes they 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: even write it out for the goalkeepers. But there is 100 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: also a feel that goalkeepers have and there's tells the 101 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: where the foot placement is, where the eyes are, all 102 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: of these different that the approach to the ball, all 103 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: of those different things go into the calculator and in 104 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: this case it's a calculator for a guy who went 105 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: to Harvard, and you know, it spits out, I am 106 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: going to stand still or I'm going to move here, 107 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: or I'm going to fake moving here, and all of 108 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: those different things come into play. And keep in mind 109 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: that the taker of the penalty kick is also thinking 110 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: those things and doing a calculation himself. 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Mauricio new coach, Puchattino comes out and makes 112 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: three changes before the match. Two of them scored his Tottenham. 113 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: His rep has always been he likes young players, he 114 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: likes to develop them. That's kind of his strength, and 115 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons he was hired was 116 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: we're young, and our and our good players need to 117 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: be very good, and our very good players need to 118 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: be great doing a work World Cup. So talk about 119 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: soup to nuts, what you've seen so far in the 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: Gold Cup that you're encouraged by from our new guy. 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: All Right, So when it comes to Mariscio Pochettino, he's 122 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: being paid a tremendous amount of money, six million dollars 123 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: a year at Rombert to get this team to do 124 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: things that we haven't done before. You know, we've had 125 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: success in World Cups, but it's all relative to getting 126 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: out of the group and doing all those things. We've 127 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: done those things before to your point, and you know, 128 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: came on air talking about the talent that we have 129 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: as a generation right now and maximizing that that talent. 130 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: I think what we've seen through this Gold Cup is 131 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: a Mauricio Pochettino who has had to deal with, you know, 132 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: the polistic situation at the beginning and some of the 133 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: drama off the field. I think he got through that, 134 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 3: and I think he kind of established himself as a 135 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: new sheriff in town. I think at times he bit 136 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: his tongue for some of the craziness or ridiculousness that 137 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: he saw relative to whether it's Polistic or others and 138 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: that attitude. But I also think what you've seen is 139 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: a a coalescence of this new group. And you know, 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: keep in mind that the win last night, which a 141 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: lot of people watched, and a lot of people that 142 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: kind of came into the tent on a Sunday night 143 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: on Big Fox, and it was wonderful, Like I was 144 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: getting texts from all sorts of people that I know 145 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: don't normally follow soccer, so it was a wonderful, feel good, 146 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: feel good moment. But this team was together through this 147 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: tournament and they had a week of training in between 148 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 3: the games, and I think for Pochettino that was really 149 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: good in terms of this is how we're going to play. 150 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: And again this group coming together and still a relatively 151 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: short period of time, and you can see that this 152 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: particular group that doesn't have your Western McKinney's and You're 153 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: Christian polistics and a bunch of other players that we 154 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: have talked about consistently, and it doesn't mean that they're 155 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: not going to be integrated. But for them to have 156 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: this moment, I think it was really really important and 157 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: from we Pochettino to do it without those guys, I 158 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 3: think it was important message to send. And the work's 159 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: not over, so we shouldn't, you know, break our arm 160 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: patting ourselves on the back for beating a depleted Costa 161 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: Rica in a quarter final of a goal Cup. That's 162 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: been done many, many times before. But you know what 163 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: you sing, you're winning and if you can't find some 164 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: joy in that moment, you know, then I don't think 165 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: you're a sports person. And as you know, as a 166 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: sports person, sports are not for being rational. Sports are 167 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: for being irrational to a certain extent. So, like I said, 168 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: sing dance, celebrate that, which they did, and you can 169 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: see the pictures here. And then you got the semifinal 170 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: here coming on Wednesday. And if I had told this 171 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: US team you get a semi final game against Guatemala 172 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: to go to the final the Gold Cup, you would say, 173 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: sign me up right now? 174 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Is there Tyler Adams feels like to me, will make 175 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: the World Cup. Matt Freese, you can argue, he just won. 176 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean this is the last tournament before the World Cup. 177 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. That was his moment. So freeze Tyler 178 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Adams anybody else from this group because we acknowledge and 179 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: this is true for many countries. This was sort of 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: our B team, our developers besides Tyler Adams, and freeze 181 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: anybody else you see making the World CP roster. You know. 182 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: So I think Tyler Adams was always going to be 183 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: a starter. I mean, he's not untouchable, but given his 184 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: experience and given his quality, so he's kind of the 185 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: the outlier here. But if you look at players that 186 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 3: helped their stock and dramatically, yes, Matt Freeze, because there 187 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: is a goalkeeper competition right now, and Matt Freeze got 188 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: the start during this Goal Cup, not because Matt Turner 189 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: is the number one and recent Pochettina went to him 190 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: and said, listen, I know who you are, and you're 191 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 3: my starter, and if this is the World Cup, you'd 192 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: be starting. No, because he recognizes that Matt Turner has 193 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: not been playing and has not been playing well when 194 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: he has played, which is very very limited, and so 195 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: there is a competition. So definitely, like you said, I 196 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: think Matt Freeze has put himself into the conversation. Diego Luna. 197 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: I really think, and I know I posted this morning 198 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: that Diego Luna I think had a really good game yesterday. 199 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: And yes, there's the grit in the fight, and you 200 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: know that you want to like this guy and he 201 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 3: makes you like him. But I also think that when 202 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: it comes to possession of the ball, creating things in 203 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: the attacking third, beating multiple players under pressure in traffic, 204 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: I don't think that there's anybody better other than Christian Polisic. 205 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: Now that's not a great thing to say, but maybe 206 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 3: it is in that how established he has already become. 207 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: So I think he's really helped his cause. And then 208 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 3: Malik Tolman, I think, right now, if the World Cup 209 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: started today, given what he's done in this tournament, has 210 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: really made a case for being that attacking midfielder, if 211 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: you will, Chris Richards, I think is going to be 212 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: a starter. But there's still a lot of questions. Even 213 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: with this wonderful win. There's still a lot of questions 214 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: when it comes to this US men's national team. Like 215 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: we said, less than a year away from twenty twenty six. 216 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and finally on this if because we know 217 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: we have arguably six of our top seven players will 218 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: be on the World Cup roster that weren't here. Taking 219 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: that because I tend to believe, even though this is 220 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: eleven months out from the World Cup, I do think 221 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: performing well inertia. 222 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: Man. 223 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't care if you're a political party or a team. 224 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,479 Speaker 1: Winning changes the way you think. I think, the inertia 225 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: the movement. So I do think winning this or at 226 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: least getting to the finals does matter. Judging by what 227 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: you've seen over the last four matches, three matches, and 228 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: then in your mind, taking our better players inserting them 229 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: into what you've seen. Do we have a philosophy, a brand, 230 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: or a style, right now that you can cling to that, 231 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: you could say this is how Maurizio, this is how 232 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: he sees the world. Tell me what we are today 233 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: with six or seven other elite players coming. 234 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the integration or the reintegration of some of 235 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: those players that you have is only going to make 236 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: this team better. But I think it's been wonderful to 237 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: see the success and that's why, Yeah, I want them 238 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: to win, just you know, because I bleed America and 239 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: I want to see that. But more importantly, it's almost 240 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 3: a wonderful message to send an important message to send 241 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: to the guys that aren't here that you know what, 242 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: while you're important and you're not you're not a savior 243 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: and that and we can win games and we can 244 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: do things without you, because I think it's going to 245 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: motivate them to come in and say, you know what, 246 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: you know what stinks, just like everybody else is I'm 247 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: gonna have to work and some of the spirit and 248 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: some of the fight, you know, and all these words 249 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: that we use that was on display here in the 250 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: Goal Cup again the last time, like you said, from 251 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: a competitive standpoint, that we are going to see this team, 252 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 3: uh and certainly in a competitive tournament. I think that 253 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: that's going to be incredibly valuable going forward. And again 254 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that any of those guys aren't going 255 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: to be important, important parts going forward, but they if 256 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: they come back in to a team that is kind 257 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: of like I said, Coalesced and this style, if you 258 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: will look it's it's not going to be put in 259 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: a time capsule for the best soccer ever played. But 260 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: again that's subjective as to what good soccer is. But 261 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: to your point, America doesn't give a crap how this 262 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: US team plays. They care that they win and that 263 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: they are doing it in a kind of raw guy, 264 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: strangely ugly but beautiful way that I think that resonates 265 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: with people. But ultimately, it's about winning, whether it's the 266 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: Girl Cup, whether it's end of the games leading up, 267 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: and then more importantly next summer, doing things we haven't 268 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 3: seen before and winning. Nobody's gonna stand on principle in 269 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: terms of quote beautiful soccer. If this team finds a 270 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: way to do great things come next summer in the 271 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: World Cup. 272 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Very exciting Wednesday FS one coverage starts at sixth Eastern. 273 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: Will be favored over Guatemala as always my friend Alexi. 274 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: You're great. Thanks man, You're the best. Thanks. 275 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was exciting, you know, I J Mack. I 276 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: was sitting there as I'm watching it, and I'm just thinking. 277 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: I mean, there's. 278 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Obviously the eighteenth hole, like at the Masters, you know, 279 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: down the stretch of the Masters were Rory McElroy. Like, 280 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: there's just certain things that are endemic to our sports 281 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: culture that we know are great. Like I think in NFL, 282 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: overtime is not sudden death. I so it's like it 283 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: can be a little haphazard or random. I don't think 284 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: they're in a big match when you go to when 285 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: you go to the shootout. I don't think there's. 286 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: Anything like it. 287 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: Hockey's got in a little bit the power play. When 288 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: you got two minutes on the power play, you know 289 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: you're a man up. You trail late in a Stanley 290 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: Cup final, like you're like, okay, we got two minutes 291 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: here to score. We got to score. March Madness obviously 292 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: has a tie game late, but that is about as 293 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: good as sports. 294 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: Cats. 295 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say college football overtime and penalty kicks 296 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: for me are the best because it's equal. You get 297 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: a chance, you get a chance, the defense has a 298 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: chance to stop you. I like that fairness in sports, 299 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: and so PK's is right there for college football overtime 300 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: with me. 301 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 302 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a em Pacific. 303 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallero. 304 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: Mean a lot to have you join us on our 305 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 5: weekly auditory journey. You ask, what in God's name is 306 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 5: the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin off 307 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 5: of it. Ben Mather Show, a cult hit overnights on FSR. 308 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 5: Why should you listen? Picture if you will? A world 309 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 5: will We check with captains of industry in media, sports, 310 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 5: and more every week explore some amazing facts about human 311 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 5: nature and more. Listen to The Fifth Hour with Ben 312 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 5: Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you 313 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 5: get your podcasts. 314 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: All right, Jmack with the news, No no. 315 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: Turns, this is the Herdline news. 316 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 7: All right, Colin, Let's start with your Detroit Lions. 317 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: I think I can call him your right obviously, big 318 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 4: big holes to fill. Losing Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn 319 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 4: as coordinators, they moved on to be head coaches, but 320 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 4: defensively is what we're talking about. Remember, Aiden Hutchison went 321 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: down last season and they still finished fifteen and two. 322 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 7: Just by losing the Washington at home in the playoffs. 323 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: Safety Brian Branch believes they're going through the ups and 324 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: downs last season, has been has the team feeling invincible 325 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: heading into this season? 326 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 7: Now, I'll let you take that one away. 327 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 4: This idea that their defense was good last year, Hey 328 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 4: we still went fifteen to two. 329 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 7: Uh huh, Like that's just not really well. 330 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they show it. Yeah, I think they 331 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: have two really high end defensive players Branches one, Aiden 332 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: Hutchinson is the other. I mean, if you start on 333 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: a sliding scale, there's a lot of average and has 334 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: been for years in the secondary. And it's also a 335 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: division where you've got a lot of smart offensive coaches. 336 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: So the downside to being bad defensively in that division 337 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: is Matt Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell, Ben Johnson, a lot of 338 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: clever play callers, a lot of guys that can burn 339 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: you when you're not good on the back end. So 340 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and some divisions historically, we look at the AFC North 341 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: and we think defense. The NFC North now is an 342 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: offensive coach division, So I'm with you. I think they 343 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: pull back. I also think you can't lose the best 344 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in football, hire somebody in house and think 345 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: you're going to get the same level even if they're successful. 346 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Ben is sort of a one of one, kind of 347 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: a young McVeigh feel. So I just don't think they're 348 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: going to be quite as dynamic offensively, and they'll still 349 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: be good, not special defensively. 350 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 4: I would challenge someone to find a schedule with tougher 351 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: opposing quarterbacks. 352 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 7: Tolan. 353 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: The first six weeks they got to face lamar Borough 354 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: and Mahomes, three of the top four quarterbacks in the NFL. 355 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 4: They also have to go to Philadelphia. Obviously, they've got 356 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: to go to Jaden Daniels Colin. This schedule is I 357 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: mean they got to go. 358 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 7: To the Rams. That's a big game on Fox. I don't, 359 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 7: I don't. I just don't see it. 360 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: I think I think I think you'd have to be happy. 361 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: I'd take Mitch again. There's not that many bad schedules, Yeah, 362 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: that I look at it, there are a ten to 363 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: eleven win team. But the days of twelve and thirteen, 364 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: I think they had a window and I think the 365 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: NFC for the last two years was weaker. I don't 366 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: think it is. I think the Rams are up to speed. 367 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels is magical. Baker Mayfield has solidified himself as 368 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: a franchise guy. I think today is of those lamps 369 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: in the NFC. The bottom half are over. 370 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: It's over. 371 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 7: Yeah. 372 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: Move to Travis Hunter, who is hoping to be a 373 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: two way player this year, believing he can star at 374 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 4: wide receiver and corner, but doubt still remains whether he 375 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 4: can be successful well. Willie Cologne gave his opinion on 376 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 4: Breakfast Ball Friday. 377 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 6: I know how I would approach a guy like this. 378 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 6: I'm gonna test his armor. I'm gonna see how tough 379 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 6: you really are if you want to be a two 380 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 6: way player in the NFL. 381 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: I'm gonna see if you're strong enough to be a 382 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: two way player. 383 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 6: So when I'm pulling around that corner, I'm gonna test 384 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 6: that twelve on your chest. Right And so for me, 385 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 6: if I'm the Jacksonville Jaguars, he that's listen to what 386 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 6: the players are saying. They're curious if he could finish 387 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 6: an eighteen game season going both ways. 388 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 3: I promise you he won't. 389 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 6: They will move him to one side of the ball, 390 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 6: and that's cornerback, and allow him to be the best 391 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 6: corner they be, because not only are you gonna have 392 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 6: to make tackles, you all have to stand getting hit too. 393 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I there's there are certain things you can do 394 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: in college you know that don't work in the NFL. 395 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: But I would say, like, oh, Tawny, you were like, okay, 396 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: maybe you could do that in double A baseball pitch 397 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: and hit. And yet there are these unique, once in 398 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: a lifetime athletes that can go to the highest level 399 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: of sports and do things you'd never imagine. And maybe 400 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: he's that guy. It wasn't one number one high school 401 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: player in the country, so it's not like he's a 402 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: late bloomer. Like he was unbelievable at sixteen, eighteen, twenty one. 403 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: Why won't he be unbelievable at twenty three and twenty 404 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: four in the NFL. I think he may be, And 405 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: I do think over the course of time, athletes get better. 406 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: In ten years, if I told you the NFL had 407 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: six two way players, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, 408 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: if you had six guys, wait. 409 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 7: A minute to find two way like, how many corner 410 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 7: like the corner? What if you do five plays? Are 411 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 7: you a two way player? 412 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: Now? 413 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: If you play thirty minimum on both sides. 414 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 7: That's a lot. 415 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: Now. 416 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: I do think what I said before the draft calling 417 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 4: is he gonna is he gonna go and try to 418 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 4: tackle Jonathan Taylor in space ten times and then go 419 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 4: try to get over against the cold secondary And then 420 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 4: the next week you're trying to tackle Derrick Henry and 421 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 4: you know, and then you're going. 422 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 7: Out for running routes. I don't think that's feasible. I've 423 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 7: never thought that was past. 424 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 4: I want to Sean was returning putt set. If Travis 425 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 4: Thunder wants to do that, go for it. But like 426 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: actually tackling people and then running routes. 427 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wants to tackle Derrick Henry for. 428 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 7: The record, but certainly not. Final story, Colin is big 429 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 7: news for the show. 430 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: Congratulations Colin, you have been named to the twenty twenty 431 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 4: five class of the Radio Hall of Fame. 432 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: You're the lone. 433 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 3: Sports representative as part of this year's. 434 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 7: Ten person class, and it's kind of cool. 435 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: Excited. 436 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 7: Huh, how are you celebrating? 437 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: Well, you should agree with me, more now that I'm 438 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, I should just get a lot 439 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: of agreement. All I ever wanted to do is a kid. 440 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: When I was seven years old, my mom bought me 441 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: a trans sister radio and that's all I ever wanted 442 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: to do was radio. I grew up in a small town. 443 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't cable television. Radio is what I always wanted 444 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: to do. So sometimes things in your life lineup. Also, 445 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: thank you to all the people. This morning at about 446 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: I woke up and there was a lot of probably 447 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: about twenty thirty texts, and it's increased. I'll get to 448 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: all of them. Thank you. People are very kind. But 449 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I was one of the lucky ones that 450 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to do for a living, 451 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: and it just happened to line up and I got 452 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: to do what I wanted to do. 453 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 4: It's listen, it's really not a surprise that you get 454 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: elected to the Hall of Fame after working with me 455 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 4: for a couple of years. 456 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: That's a good point. 457 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it took a while. 458 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: It's all work. 459 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 7: That was allst Coward. 460 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 4: There is we're seeing really it is prime as a 461 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: radio star. 462 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: No, we've been a good life incredibly grateful for it. 463 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: All right, Alexi Lawless and Matt Hasselbeck both delivered today, 464 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by on a Monday. Thanks guys. 465 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd 466 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: Weekdays and Noone Eastern a em Pacific on Fox Sports 467 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 2: Radio FS one, and the iHeartRadio app. 468 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: Oh jmak. This is interesting. So for years and years 469 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: I was told that Aaron Rodgers and Devonte Adam very tight, 470 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: and then when DeVante Adams left to go to the Raiders, 471 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: we found out that he and Aaron weren't nearly that tight. 472 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: So but David Bachtiari, that's his number one friend. Interesting 473 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: anybody see the old X accounts? This morning, according to X, 474 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: David Bachtiari goes to X and says, basically, love is love. 475 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: Congrats to the love Jordan Love got married. Just happy. 476 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: At least one of my quarterbacks invited me to their 477 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: wedding eyes emoji. Knowing that bok Tri knows Aaron has 478 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of a tenuous record of friendship ghosting. 479 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. This goes back to a lot of 480 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: people have fake friends. A lot of people tell you 481 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: they have a lot of friends, Devontae Adams and Aaron 482 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: so close not really now. David Barkdi takes a litter 483 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: shot at it. 484 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: Did you see that Aaron Rodgers is sick of people 485 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: asking about who his wife is and what are the details? 486 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 7: He's like, no, she wants to stay out of the 487 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 7: public eye. Like sorry, bro, it doesn't work. 488 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: Like sorry, you are a famous guy, They're gonna be 489 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 4: asking you a lot of questions. And Rogers is already 490 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 4: ticked off at the media for probing into it. Wait 491 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: till TMZ or whoever uncovers the wife. Man, if you 492 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: what do they call it when you are married for 493 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: a while and then you renew your vows or whatever, 494 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: Like if you did that and didn't invite me, I 495 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 4: would probably take it personally and vent on social media. 496 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 7: Jeez, qub one didn't even invite me to read. 497 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: Everybody is saying it's just a joke, So maybe it is. 498 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: What do I know, Maybe it's just lamping. Maybe they're 499 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: trying to pull those of us reviewed as negative errand guys, 500 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: they're trying to pull us in. 501 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 502 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: I saw it and the staff is like, he's joking, 503 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's kind of personal for a joke, 504 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: especially with Aaron's reputation. 505 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 4: Look at his account, it doesn't. It doesn't really jive 506 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: with that's a joke. It just comes out of like nowhere. 507 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: You know, all jokes just have just enough truth in them. 508 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: Ever noticed that, Like at the Oscars when Ricky Gervais 509 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: goes up there and makes a jokes about certain people, 510 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: it's just a you have truth in the joke. So 511 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: this may be just what they call like fishing. They're 512 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: trying to get people to overreact engagement farming. Well, no, 513 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: I can just see Aaron telling, Hey, do that so 514 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: all the haters and the media attack means so I 515 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: can turn and make fun of them. I could see 516 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: Aaron doing that as well, even though he doesn't listen 517 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: to any of us or read any of us, of course, 518 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: but it is. Do you think it's a joke or not? 519 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 7: I think something's up? Yes, legit? 520 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: All right? 521 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 7: He probably feels annoying. How do you not invite me? 522 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: I though we're voice, But I mean they're they're they're 523 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: the closest of allies. They're the closest of allies. Maybe 524 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: they're so close they're mocking all of us. Maybe that's it. 525 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: That's certainly possible. So I saw this Cooper Flag. Uh 526 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, Mount Rushmore the term for the four best 527 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: ever at a sport or a position or whatever. So 528 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, the number one pick of the Dallas Mavericks 529 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: rising domestic basketball star, got into the Mount Rushmore topic. 530 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: I'm Mount Rushmore. 531 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 8: Of NBA players, I would say Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, 532 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 8: Lebron and probably Kobe and then w NBA Candas Parker, 533 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 8: Brittany Griner. I think Asia Wilson is on there, and 534 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 8: then I might put Cannon Clark on there just because 535 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 8: she's changed the game so much and it's heading in 536 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 8: the right direction and I just. 537 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 3: Love what she's not to do. 538 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I think I would have put Caitlin 539 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: Clark actually number one. 540 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 6: Uh. 541 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: She is not just helping revenue. Caitlin Clark is a 542 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: stimulus package. So I saw something today. Cleveland, Detroit and 543 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: Philadelphia it's been announced are going to get new franchises 544 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: now that had been discussed last year and the year before. 545 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: But it's interesting how suddenly when Caitlin Clark comes into 546 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: the league, bona fide star, we have three new teams 547 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: coming up Why Because it's much easier to get investors 548 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: when you can see a path to profits, and before 549 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: last year there wasn't. It's hard to get investors when 550 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: you have a history after twenty five years of nobody 551 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: really making a profit. When Steve Jobs came back to Apple, 552 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: it's a funny, but investors came pouring back into Apple. 553 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: Why so I've said this the people that are like, yeah, 554 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: somebody must be into this Caitlin Clark story. Folks, this 555 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: is MJ this is Tiger merchandise, tickets, revenue. Like the 556 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: NBA was not a global league. Magic and Bird made 557 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: it more popular domestically. Michael made it global. Michael changed 558 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: merchandising in America, actually among young men. And that's what 559 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: she's doing. She sold out her shoe line in ten minutes. 560 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: She not only sold out her shoe line, they brought 561 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: in a random NBA player to be a teammate, Sophie Cunningham. 562 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: She sold out her jersey. 563 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: In one day. 564 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: She'd been in the league for seven years, not much 565 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: of a profile. So just by proxy being close to her, 566 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: being an ally of Caitlin Clark, you'll sell out your merchandise. 567 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: That's different. I mean, that's like if you were Tiger 568 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Wood's caddie, you were the third most known person on 569 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: the tour, Tiger Phil Micholson and Tiger's caddie. We can 570 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: now go back and name Tiger's caddies. Like that's a 571 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: whole different ballgame. So good stuff. 572 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: Yes. 573 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: Earlier today, the Steelers traded for Jalen Ramsey, moved off 574 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: Minka Fitzpatrick. And I've been on this for a couple 575 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: of years. Could you start spin money on offense? So 576 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey cost seven and a half million more dollars 577 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: annually than Mega Fitzpatrick. And he's a very loose player. 578 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: He's talented, but he's as good as his environment. When 579 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: he had the structure of the Rams in McVeigh was 580 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: very good, though they moved off him kind of doing 581 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: his own thing, kind of an independent corner. But when 582 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: you put him in Jacksonville and you put him in 583 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Miami structurally, culturally, much looser organizations, it doesn't work as well. 584 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: He's kind of doing his own thing. So Pittsburgh's reputation, 585 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: James Harrison talked about this last week, is it's pro 586 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: player Mike Tomlin to a fault is pro player. So 587 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rodgers doing his own thing. DK Metcalf 588 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: doing his own thing. Now Jalen Ramsey kind of doing 589 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: his own thing. They move off Mega Fitzpatrick, which I 590 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: could live with because I think he is a good safety, 591 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: not great anymore, but very good. But he's a team leader. 592 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: He's low maintenance. He can handle the pro player culture 593 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: that Mike Tomlin has created. And here's Hasselbeck on Ramsey 594 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: to the Steelers. 595 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 9: They do not care about the rest of the league. 596 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 9: They don't care about what anybody else does. They say, Hey, 597 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 9: we're the Steelers. This is how we operate. So I 598 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 9: don't think that's going to change. But I do think 599 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 9: this it looks like they're building a team to stop 600 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 9: the Cincinnati Bengals. It's almost like they have confidence in 601 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 9: what they have, like what we have can take care 602 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 9: of the Baltimore Ravens, like we're good. But like, man, 603 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 9: I don't know how we're going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. 604 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 9: Like I do believe that there's a fear there of 605 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 9: like personnel wise, we don't match up well well. 606 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: Baltimore, for the record, has also upgraded their secondary so 607 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: I think Matt is right. I think if you're in 608 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: that division against Joe Burrow chasing T Higgins, you got 609 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: to stop those guys. So I do think that's true. 610 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: But it's interesting where Matt says, and he's probably right, 611 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Like the Steelers don't care about the rest of the league. 612 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: I never buy into that. Sean McVay is acutely aware 613 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: of what everybody's doing. Like I don't believe, like Koke 614 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: doesn't worry about PEPSI. They keep their eye on PEPSI 615 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: Google watching Apple, everybody's watching Microsoft. Like I don't buy that. Hey, 616 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: our culture is so strong, we don't watch anybody. I 617 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: think you watch what people do. I think you watch 618 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: who people draft you. I mean, in any business, if 619 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: there's cultural changes, legislative changes, rule changes, you have to adapt. 620 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: How are other people responding to stuff? So, and I 621 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: think he's probably right. The Steelers do their own thing. 622 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: I've never been a fan of that. I think you 623 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: have to watch. I mean, when I started my little company, 624 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm like watching other companies. What do they do, what works, 625 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: what fails? What's a trap? See around the corner a 626 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: little bit, don't get trapped. I don't buy that. We 627 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: don't watch what anybody else does. Nobody's culture is that strong. 628 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: I mean a prime example is Google. You know, we 629 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: always thought like Google is the most powerful company in 630 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: the world. Then AI came and like, AI is going 631 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: to replace needing Google. Now, thank god Google bought you 632 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: YouTube and I think cloud and other businesses. That's why 633 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: big co means Democrats sometimes struggle with this. Folks. There's 634 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: a reason billionaires keep investing because nothing lasts forever. I 635 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: thought Google search engine would last forever. If I would 636 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: have guessed a company that'll last forever, No didn't. AI 637 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: is going to replace to some degree the search engines. 638 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: So what happens is you got to invest in other stuff. 639 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: You have to always be growing. Amazon continues to grow. 640 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: There will be and I by the way you're seeing 641 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: it now with the TikTok shop. Everybody's on TikTok. Now 642 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: you can order from TikTok. Who does that hurt? Oh 643 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: that hurts Amazon? I want to get my sports garret fanatics. 644 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Who does that hurt Amazon? Nobody dominates forever, so and 645 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: so I think you always have to keep your eye 646 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: on your competition. There's peaks, there's valleys, you hit highs, 647 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: stocks fluctuate, people in your company leave who are brilliant. 648 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: So there you go. Fine line between having your own 649 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: identity and being out of touch with your industry. Those 650 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: are two different things. You got to be in line 651 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: and know what other people are doing. And by the way, 652 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: what the other people are doing in the NFL is 653 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: spending on offense, not leading the league for the four 654 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: straight year in defensive spending, and they haven't signed the TJ. 655 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: Watt contract yet. This will be the fourth year they 656 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: lead the NFL and spending. We're not talking the TJ. 657 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: Watt contract. That one's around the corner. Trouble, all right. 658 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: We flew through Monday. Alexi Lawless, Colin Right, Colin Wrang, 659 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback, J. Mack will see you and everybody else 660 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: tomorrow