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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show. As good as Buddha

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Speaker 1: Baker is, and he's very good. He can't do it

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Speaker 1: by himself, or can he? We break down the safety position.

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Speaker 1: Is it a position that maybe a little light? When

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Speaker 1: the final fifty three man roster is decided, DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: is once again stirring things up. First though, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Arizona's Avan. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four thirty three,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with

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Speaker 1: Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Podcasts, Visit acy Cardinals dot Com, Slash Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Murray rolls to the right, throws near sight of Fritz Bob.

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Speaker 1: He's into the ends, off to the touchdown. Here's Craig

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Speaker 1: Grilou and Mike Jarecki. So we always talk about when

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Speaker 1: players have that welcome to the NFL moments. It hasn't

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Speaker 1: happened yet for Zaven Collins. He has though, MG I

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Speaker 1: think had his Welcome to Arizona moments and it's not

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Speaker 1: the heat. Zavin is looking to buy a house. As

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Speaker 1: he said, quote maybe the hardest thing that I've had

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Speaker 1: to do in my whole entire life. Because that sucks

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Speaker 1: for anyone who's trying to find a house right now.

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Speaker 1: I feel your pain. End quotes. It is a tough

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Speaker 1: market out there, MJ. And you can add Zavian to

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Speaker 1: the long list of people looking to find a home.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is that when I started covering

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals I don't like, I don't know twenty five

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Speaker 1: twenty six years ago, a lot of guys bought homes

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Speaker 1: Leiner and his hot tub and everything else. And then

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Speaker 1: guys started buying houses in Chandler and Gilbert Akatillo, you

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Speaker 1: one of these I started getting big money. They started

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Speaker 1: buying homes in Paradise Valley. So where is he looking,

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Speaker 1: do you think? I mean, you don't want to be

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Speaker 1: know what they call those champagne problems in the words

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Speaker 1: of Larry Fitzgerald, that is exactly rights problems that we

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Speaker 1: would love to have, but again we do not. That's

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Speaker 1: why we're on this side of the table, if you will,

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Speaker 1: when we're looking at the players out on the football field.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I guess at this point, maybe

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Speaker 1: to find your dream home. If that's what you want,

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Speaker 1: you can't get it right away. Now you know this

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Speaker 1: stuff is public. But Larry Fitzgerald built a nice house

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Speaker 1: He canna open that door. MJ. No, he's back in

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Speaker 1: his hometime. You can follow him on Instagram. He's getting

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure he's just waiting to find out when

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Speaker 1: He has been given, like Kyler Murray, the keys to

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Speaker 1: Baker has fun on the football field. Yes, it's a job,

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Speaker 1: but you can see there's genuine interest and being out there,

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Speaker 1: being around the guys and just playing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you get paid at the end of the week. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's all well and good, but it seems from the

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Speaker 1: outside looking in that Buddha Baker is one of those

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Speaker 1: guys that plays for the love of the game, the

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Speaker 1: joy of the game, and that's something that's as we've

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Speaker 1: heard from Steve Cohn before looking in the draft, you

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Speaker 1: want those players, but how do you measure that, How

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Speaker 1: do you weigh that? How do you evaluate that? Until

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Speaker 1: you get them in the building and you get to

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Speaker 1: see them over the course of several seasons. Buddha is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys where I mean I just and

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Speaker 1: you know, the organization obviously reward him with a nice

441
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Speaker 1: contract and you know, highest paid safety in football, and

442
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: he's definitely getting more opportunities to get interceptions, force fumbles.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if he's able to

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Speaker 1: blitz this year off the edge. But yeah, he's I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I hate to say it because everyone has a

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Speaker 1: different position, but you'd like to have fifty three Buddha

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Speaker 1: bakers on your roster. And the fact that Steve moved

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Speaker 1: up to get him, Um, I'm sure his phone was

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Speaker 1: ringing after work man, because I don't know a lot

450
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Speaker 1: of teams had a high grade on him. So sky's

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Speaker 1: a limit for him. But I'm looking forward to see

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Speaker 1: his progress and he's only going to get better. And Craig,

453
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Speaker 1: you know this in life when you when you do

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Speaker 1: something you love, you don't consider it work, and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't And for people listening right, it can apply in

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Speaker 1: any life. I know that people wake up and they

457
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Speaker 1: don't want to go to work. I get that, but

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Speaker 1: if you ever get a chance to do something you'll

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Speaker 1: It may not be the best paid job, but if

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Speaker 1: you get a chance of something you love, you don't

461
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Speaker 1: consider it work. You put the work in and you

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Speaker 1: outwork people. That's how you get better in life. Well

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Speaker 1: how many times have we heard that cliche. I've never

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Speaker 1: worked a day in my life. To your point, you

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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and you're anxious to leave

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Speaker 1: the house to go to work, whether that's to be

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Speaker 1: around your coworkers, or the fact that what you're doing

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Speaker 1: and what you get paid to do is something that

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Speaker 1: you're enjoint case in point, look at the two of us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is something that we enjoy to do.

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Speaker 1: It's something that we have always loved to do as

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Speaker 1: far as sports, professional sports and the Arizona Cardinals. So yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: you want those people to be around because it's infectious.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things that all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: everyone gravitates to those individuals and wants to be around

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Speaker 1: those individuals and also wants to do well around those individuals.

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Speaker 1: And in a lot of times, you know, you can

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Speaker 1: look at the physical talent and we don't know medical

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Speaker 1: in character, but also teams are trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what's between the years and what's in the chest, and

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Speaker 1: you can't there's no DNA. I mean, you can't take

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Speaker 1: blood from a player. I mean MRI and S. You know,

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Speaker 1: a cat scan that's going to show that there's any

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Speaker 1: growth or any injuries. So the deal is, and I've

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Speaker 1: made this point a lot of times. Corey Javis, when

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Speaker 1: he was drafted by the Cardinals, he told me there's

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Speaker 1: two kind of players. There's players that are playing for

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Speaker 1: the shield, which they don't want to be good, they

489
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Speaker 1: want to be great. And there's players playing for the

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Speaker 1: money and the lifestyle, and you could separate those guys

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Speaker 1: and they those guys don't last long in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Three and a half years is the average lifetime for

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Speaker 1: an NFL player. Now, you know, every year we get

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Speaker 1: you know, eighteen hundred players, a lot of players come back,

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Speaker 1: but I think this year you're probably gonna have only

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five new players in the league.

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Speaker 1: So take advantage of when you get it, absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker certainly made the most of his opportunities so far,

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Speaker 1: and I think he is there is that next level

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Speaker 1: that he can get to. I think he has already

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Speaker 1: at a very high level. But you're always looking to

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Speaker 1: get better. You're never satisfied, and Buddha Baker doesn't strike

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Speaker 1: me as someone who is satisfied at whatever he does,

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Speaker 1: even when you look at the end of the year

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Speaker 1: and we rattled off the stats and what he did

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Speaker 1: and what he accomplished. But it's always for those players

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Speaker 1: to take the next step. It's the plays that you

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Speaker 1: did not make, the losses that you did that you

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Speaker 1: felt that you hurts. It's not the winds that stay

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Speaker 1: with you, it's the defeats. Well, I'm sure he's just

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Speaker 1: been as big as critic. We look at him and

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Speaker 1: regardless of what kind of great he gets because they

513
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: don't know the coverage, they don't know the scheme, they're

514
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Speaker 1: just watching film thinking this guy should be in the area.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he hasn't reached his peak yet,

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Speaker 1: but we maybe start talking about him about guys like

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas and their prime, ed Reid and his prime.

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Speaker 1: You know, Charles Woodson played corner and he went to safety.

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Speaker 1: So and I'm not, you know, saying he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: those guys. But he hasn't even really scratch the surface.

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Speaker 1: We're just seeing the first, you know, over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years, the upside of his career. So if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, in the next four or five years,

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Speaker 1: maybe we're having that conversation that he could be in

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Speaker 1: Edward or Earl Thomas and some of the better safeties

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Speaker 1: in football. Sean Taylor was one great player, different style,

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Speaker 1: but maybe we're having that conversation. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he brings it to table, you really can't teach

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Speaker 1: along those lines about making a lasting impression. It goes

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Speaker 1: to what he explained on the number change. Now he's

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Speaker 1: wearing number three, that single digits one. He talked about

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Speaker 1: being an Allen Iverson fan and for those that no

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Speaker 1: Allen Iverson, he warn number three for the Philadelphia seventy

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Speaker 1: six ers. But Buddha Baker also brought up that the

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Speaker 1: number of quote growing up was always good for me

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Speaker 1: and hopefully that number never gets worn again for the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals end quotes. He wants to be so good for

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals that when he walks away, when he

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Speaker 1: decides it's time to retire, that that number three will

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Speaker 1: be up there and the ring of honor, and more

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Speaker 1: than that, that number will be looked at like number eleven.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever going to wear number eleven. And Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 1: that's his goal, that's his mindset, and it's a great

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Speaker 1: one to have. Make it so that no one else

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Speaker 1: can wear that uniform because you have done so much

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Speaker 1: in that jersey to where it's impossible to let alone surpass,

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00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: not even match, what you produced on and off the field.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't do it but that's a

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Speaker 1: lofty goal. I would think he wants to make a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls and everything else. I know what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: but there's been a lot of great Cardinal players that

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Speaker 1: are not in the Ring of Honor, just from different reasons.

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00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't play their entire career here. You know,

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warrener obviously put up numbers, Carson Palmer, but those

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Speaker 1: are lofty goals. I just want him to stay on

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Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. I know what you're saying that

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Speaker 1: that's the upside, and you know that's what you play for.

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Speaker 1: But he's got a long ways to go, as you can.

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Speaker 1: Elberg Gang big fans of Buddha Baker Here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: so Buddha Baker is back. Also returning at the safety position,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson, Deontay Thompson, Chrish Banjo, and Charles Washington. Now,

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Speaker 1: Banjo and Washington play more on special teams, though Banjo

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Speaker 1: last season in a pinch because if injuries did start

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Speaker 1: four games last season. The hope is that Banjo and

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Speaker 1: Washington aren't needed on defense because that would mean that

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Speaker 1: one Buddha Baker's healthy, Jalen Thompson's healthy. Deontay Thompson is

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Speaker 1: good in making a jump. Jalen Thompson, The one big

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Speaker 1: thing for him has just been health. He missed eleven

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Speaker 1: games last season because of an ankle injury. Otherwise, when

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Speaker 1: you talk with defensive coordinator Vans Joseph, in addition to

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, it's always Jalen Thompson and specifically how well

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Speaker 1: Thompson tackles. And we've heard Vance say that he sees

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Speaker 1: a lot of Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson. It's just

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Speaker 1: the consistency and obviously the availability and making sure that

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Speaker 1: when you look at you know, Charles Washington and Chris Banjoe,

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Speaker 1: I don't think both of those guys are going to

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Speaker 1: make the team. So clearly it's going to be about

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Speaker 1: special teams. And again we get into how many defensive

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Speaker 1: backs will they keep? Four or five corners, will they

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Speaker 1: keep four or five safeties. Jalen Thompson is about durability

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Speaker 1: and availability. That really comes down to I know they're

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Speaker 1: excited about him and they got him in the supplementum

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Speaker 1: Draft where he would have been a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: That yere Deontay Thompson. I thought he'd looked better in

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Speaker 1: training camp last year. But both of these guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna stay healthy. They're kind of on the thin frame,

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Speaker 1: and then maybe that's that's the problem when it comes

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Speaker 1: to being able to withstand an NFL season. So they're

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Speaker 1: never going to put a ton of weight on just

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Speaker 1: because they're metabolism. But I do like the fact that

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Speaker 1: I like to hit, and you can make that case

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Buddha Baker. So you look at

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Speaker 1: it and then the Cardinals at it. You know, a

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Speaker 1: couple of safeties when it came to the draft one

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Speaker 1: there James Wiggins a lot of upside there. Does he

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Speaker 1: make the opening day roster? And then Sean Williams, who's

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Speaker 1: been more of a special teams player, and so he

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Speaker 1: could be a guy that you know plays in a

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Speaker 1: role if if Thompson Twins can't stay healthy, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to rely on Seawan Williams, Chris Banjo or Charles Washington.

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Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if you can keep all

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Speaker 1: these guys. You know, in the perfect world, Wiggins slides

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Speaker 1: at the practice squad. Maybe you know right now, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're going to bring in another safety. We

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be tight end and possibly a running back.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're thinking between now in training camp, if

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Speaker 1: not the first week in camp. So I like the

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Speaker 1: depth there. Are you more confident with the corners or

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Speaker 1: safeties on paper going into the season. You gotta Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Butler experience, Denard experience, Murphy experience, hopefully a healthy Robert Alford.

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Speaker 1: You got a couple of rookies in there, Marco Wilson,

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Speaker 1: tay Owen. Are you more confident at the safety spot

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Speaker 1: or corner spot going into the training camp on paper,

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Speaker 1: there is more depth at the cornerback position than there

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Speaker 1: is at the safety position. But in looking back at

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Speaker 1: last season, there were a number of games, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: four the last six games last season, Buddha Baker was

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Speaker 1: the loan safety starter. There were times when he was

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Speaker 1: by himself as far as the quote unquote safety. They

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Speaker 1: went with an extrat corner, They went with an extrat linebacker,

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Speaker 1: an extra defensive lineman. So can you get away with

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Speaker 1: going lighter at that safety position and go heavier at

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Speaker 1: cornerback or somewhere else because you've got Buddha Baker, you've

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Speaker 1: got Jalen Thompson. Is this the season that Deontay Thompson

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Speaker 1: takes a step forward to Shaun Williams end up playing

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Speaker 1: more corner or excuse me, more safety than he did

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Speaker 1: last season because last season he was more of a

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Speaker 1: special teams guy for the Bengals. But keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: before last season, he was a four year starter at

640
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: strong safety with the Bengals, and that's not that long ago.

641
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: He just there were too many guys ahead of him.

642
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: And now with the fresh start, if you will, or

643
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: the new beginning, as he said, coming to the Arizona Cardinals,

644
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: can Sean Williams get into that mix as a defensive

645
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: player and not just someone on special teams. The way

646
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: the way you frame that, maybe you do go five corners,

647
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: and again you know it's going to battle down to

648
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: how Denard looks in training camp and then the development

649
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: of Marco Wilson and tay Gwen. Try to slide one

650
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: of those guys in the practice squad. And then if

651
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: you go for safe ds, I mean you gotta think

652
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: that Thompson twins are in. But also I think Sean

653
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: Williams is going to get an opportunity to get some

654
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: playing time, and then it's going to come down to

655
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Banjo or Washington for that extra special teams role. So

656
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: you could see five safeties or you could see five corners.

657
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: And based on the last four out of the last

658
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: four to six games you mentioned he only had one

659
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: safety on the field. We know Isaiah Simmons can play safety.

660
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: We know Byron Murphy can be more of a slot guy,

661
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: so in an outside guy. So if you want to

662
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: just go with your defensive backs, you can go five

663
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: or six tbs. Usually when teams go nickel and dime defense,

664
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: it's the majority of your defensive backs, but last year

665
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: on that jet package was more of the linebackers across

666
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: the board, Tanner vallejo Zeke Turner, Dennis car deck Son, Reddick,

667
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, and they are all filling in for the

668
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: injured Chandler Jones. Williams, or should say, Simmons is the

669
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: wild card in all this when you look at that

670
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: safety position, because he did play free safety, play a

671
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: strong safety. They moved him around at a lot of

672
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: different positions. Yes, it's the inside linebacker that he is

673
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: going to be home base, as coach Bill Davis mentioned,

674
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: but there are going to be other plays. There are

675
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna be other games where he does move around, and

676
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: if his ability to play a little safety as far

677
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: as being back as that last line of defense, you

678
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: move him around. Then all of a sudden, you've got

679
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, you hopefully Jalen Thompson is healthy, and then

680
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: you have Isaiah Simmons. So maybe you do go a

681
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: little bit lighter at that safety position because you're confident

682
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: and the depth at cornerback and you're confident that Simmons

683
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: he is that utility piece that can be moved around

684
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: to where maybe you don't need five safeties on the board.

685
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: The other issue or not an issue, but the other

686
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: thing to consider is special teams, and we know Banjo

687
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: and Washington are big special teams players. If they're not

688
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: on the roster. Is that Sean Williams, Is that James Wiggan.

689
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: He's someone that when drafted out of the seventh round

690
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: out of Cincinnati, I remember playing his day. General manager

691
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: Steve Kin brought up special teams that he is most

692
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: likely to make his mark there because he can play

693
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: on all four core special teams. And that is something

694
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: that Kim brought up immediately when Wiggins was selected. Again,

695
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to see how Alford. You know, I'm

696
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: not concerned about him come back from an injury because

697
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: he's in great shape. And then we're gonna have to

698
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: wait and see, you know, how the Thompson twins pan out.

699
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: But I think there's only one bone for Chris Banjo

700
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: or Charles Washington. And so I mean, if you go four,

701
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: then you have Butler, Murphy, Alford and Dennard at corner.

702
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: I would think they're really intrigued with Marco Wilson because

703
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: he can play inside and outside and somebody's going to

704
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: replace trench Field Shrefield on special teams. That could be

705
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, I think it's I think, and you

706
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: could slide Deontay Thompson on the practice squad if you

707
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: need to. The way the rules are, you can probably

708
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: slide a lot of guys on there. So yeah, I'm torn.

709
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I can build a case for five safeties.

710
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to possibly slide Mark will Wilson on

711
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: because teams are gonna be able to watch these guys

712
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: in preseason games. Teams can come to your practice, they

713
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: can't video it, so it's not like you're hiding and

714
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: stashing them. So yeah, I mean that's that's I'm like,

715
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I like these conversations we're having because we're always talking

716
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: about depth, and now they don't have enough players. With

717
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: this position, you can never have enough debth. You're always

718
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: trying to place the last player in each position. So

719
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: this is a good dilemma to have going in and

720
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: you want to create competition. Whether you guy thinks he's

721
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: earned the job or given the job. Oh, there's no

722
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: question that. If you are general manager Steve com in

723
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: that front office, this is a perfect problem to have.

724
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: You want tough decisions during the course of training camp.

725
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: As you whittle it down to fifty three, I'll say

726
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: this about Sean Williams, and that's that relationship and being

727
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: reunited with advanced Joseph. Joseph's or should say Williams's second

728
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: and third years in the league. Joseph was the defensive

729
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: backs coach with the Bengals in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen.

730
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: So there's a reason why the Cardinals went out and

731
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: targeted Seawan Williams as a free agent. Edition in that

732
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: safety room, Wiggins is an interest scene case because he's

733
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: that one draft pick in the secondary that we haven't

734
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: talked a lot about. Tay Gallen and Marco Wilson, they

735
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: can get jumped together, look together if you will, because

736
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: of the cornerback position. But Wiggins, you know, he feels

737
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: that he can be a player, not just on special teams,

738
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: but maybe on defense as well. Maybe it's not this season,

739
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: but how did those how did Williams and Wiggins perform

740
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: these past two weeks OTAs in mini camp and then

741
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: come training camp, Because ultimately that's gonna be not what

742
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: we read or see on paper, but what happens out

743
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: on our football field to determine whether that's three, four

744
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: or five safeties. I mean, I like this draft class

745
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: on paper. I guess check back in a couple of years.

746
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: God Willie Um, I don't know how many of the

747
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: back end of the draft class is going to make

748
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: the roster. I really don't. I don't, I don't know.

749
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, we look at the draft class as a whole.

750
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I can build a case for the probably

751
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: the first four or five. But when you get to

752
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: take Allen and Michael, Manette and Wiggins, I don't want

753
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: to rely on rookies again. I'll rely on in the

754
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: first couple of rounds. But I mean, at this point

755
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: you have veteran guys to kind of handle those duties.

756
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But it's it's not an indictment on

757
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: these guys. They're part of the future. And now you

758
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: don't have possibly you don't have to go out and

759
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: spend big money on the stuff on Guilboard. If he

760
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: was a free agent next year or whatever. You got

761
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: guys in the mix, and if all for plays well enough,

762
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: I would think that they would considerate. He likes it here,

763
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler a little bit different, and he wants to

764
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: cash in, but he's also getting up there in years,

765
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: and you want to find a home. And Malcolm Butler

766
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: and A. J. Green, they all want to find a

767
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: home and they love Arizona right now, and you know,

768
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: so we'll see where it goes. But I think it's

769
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: a good dilemma to have based on the numbers. A

770
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: little foreshadowing on the part of Mike Jarecki here is

771
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: he brings up a name that is currently not on

772
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, but perhaps maybe there is an Arizona

773
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals player that would love to see someone added to

774
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: that secondary. More on that in a moment. The other

775
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: thing that you brought up was Trent Sherfield and his

776
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: loss on special teams and his role. When you look

777
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: at these draft picks, what comes to mind is their

778
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: skill sets, but how fast they are? The four three speed,

779
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: the four four speed, Because if you're looking to be

780
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: a gunner on the outside, not only do you need

781
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: to be physical and get around a player or two,

782
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: but you do need that speed. And Wiggins does have

783
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: four four speed. It's running in a straight line. Now,

784
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: how do you do when you've got pads on a

785
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: helmet and someone in your way. How physical are you?

786
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: And can you get to that four four speed because

787
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: you've beaten the guy that's preventing you from getting down

788
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: field on punt return? I mean again, could he tackle?

789
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: That's great to have all that speed, and it's north

790
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: and south, you know, special teams we'll get into later.

791
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: But Ron del Moore, he's gonna he's gonna till field position.

792
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: So again, you look at the draft class, I think

793
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: on paper, they filled some holes for the knee for

794
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: the future. They actually needed some corners. They got a

795
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: couple of those. You get a future center concidered. Rodney

796
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: Hudson's under contract at least next a couple of years,

797
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: hopefully three. And so I just think that, you know,

798
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: I think they did a good job on Day number

799
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: one two early in the fourth round, and they just

800
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: have to wait and see. But you got to be

801
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: able to tackle in this league. And if you can

802
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: have all the speed in the world, I'm intrigued with

803
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: these guys' skill set really starts with za Zaving Collins

804
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: and Rondo Moore. But I like Marco Wilson, I like

805
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: take Owen's upside, I like Wiggins's upside. I like the

806
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: defensive tackle Victor mca do McCage. I like his upside.

807
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be a numbers game for him there.

808
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: He looks the part. So I like. I like the

809
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: draft class. It's just I don't know if they can

810
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: rely on rookies throughout the course of the year, if

811
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: they may have to come in a pinch. And when

812
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: I say rookies, I'm talking about more third bay guys. Yeah,

813
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: and it's always difficult when you have that third day

814
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: guy to make a roster because the leash, if you will,

815
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: is not as long as it would be if you're

816
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: a first round, second round or even maybe a third

817
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: round pick. And the players that we've been talking about

818
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: all the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round, and according

819
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: to the CBA and according to reports, looks like they're

820
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: gonna have a sixteen member practice squad. And last year,

821
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, you had to have an extra you know,

822
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: punter and kicker in case somebody got COVID. I think

823
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are gonna they're gonna build a roster based

824
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: on the future, and that means you can slide some

825
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: of these guys. I assume they're going to load up

826
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: on corners. You can never have enough wide receivers, never

827
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: never have enough offensive lineman cornerbacks. They're probably gonna bring

828
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, depending on what happens with Eno Benjamin is,

829
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring in another back to compete for a

830
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: backup job there. So they're gonna stash a look stash

831
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna have on the practice squad where they don't

832
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: have to worry about COVID and they're gonna have a

833
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: mini practice squad where you better be ready if your

834
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: numbers called during the week, because we know on Saturdays,

835
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: because of COVID and guide, you know, looking different in

836
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: practice or showing upside, you can make those roster moves

837
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: on Saturday for Sunday, and those players on the back

838
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: end of the roster, if you will, players what forty

839
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: five to fifty three. You know Steve Times always looking

840
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: to shake things up, not on just not for the

841
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: heck of it, but looking to get better even if

842
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: you are that fifty fifty first, fifty second or fifty

843
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: third player. Yeah, I mean, we know Jeff Rodgers has

844
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: a lot of input assistant head coach. I mean, I

845
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: mean anybody that doesn't start and you'll see some starters

846
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: on special teams because you know you gotta have a

847
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: eleven guy or ten guys out there for your field

848
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: goal and extra point and usually those are big guys.

849
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: But for the most part, if you're a backup playing

850
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: a skille position, meeting wide receiver, running back, cornerback on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, you're gonna play on teams.

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00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: And so that that's a given. But Jeff Rogers is

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00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna have say in five to six, seven, eight guys.

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00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Now it's not like he's got final say, but he'll

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Speaker 1: put his input. And if you're not a starter, you're

856
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to play on special teams. So maybe these

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Speaker 1: these guys can flash like Tanner, Vallejoez, Dennis Gardak, Zeke Turner,

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Speaker 1: Trent Sherfield. I thought Isaiah did a nice job last year.

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00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: So if you're not starting, you're gonna have to play

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00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: on teams, and that's how you're gonna try to get

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00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: active on game day. But I do think the Cardinals

862
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: are really going to try to stack that practice squad

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Speaker 1: for the future, whether they play this year or not.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we teased it before we got deep into

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Speaker 1: our safety discussion, and then Mike Jarecki as well kind

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Speaker 1: of inadvertently teased it as well here on Cardinals cover

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Speaker 1: two presented by Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: We do have other de hop news. DeAndre Hopkins this

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00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: via social media on Instagram picture of him MJ matched

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00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: up against Stefan Gilmour with this caption quote best corner

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00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: in the game from South Carolina. Then he tagged Gilmore

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00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: and continued quote let him know it's love red c

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00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: exclamation points end of caption. A. You know, as much

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00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: or as good as Hopkins is as a wide receiver,

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00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: he's typically he's dabting a little bit in the recruiting

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00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: aspects as well. Didn't quite work for Julio Jones. Maybe

877
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: he did a little bit for JJ Watt, but now

878
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: he's trying another big fish out there. It just goes

879
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: to show you how much Hopkins likes being in Arizona.

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00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Clearly he wasn't happy there. They made a trade and

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00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: he kind of forced his way out, just like JJ Watt.

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00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Even though Watt went to management. And I'm not saying

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00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: that it's a bad thing, they obviously weren't happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like when players try to recruit other players,

885
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: but it's not fantasy football, and there's there's a couple

886
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: of layers of this story. First of all, it's coming

887
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: off an injury, probably wants an extension, and they fourd

888
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: him four point two five last year, so he's under

889
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: contract at seven million. That would be more of a luxury,

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Speaker 1: just like Julio Jones. But I like the fact that

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00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Hops trying to convince guys to come here. And I

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00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: do think recruiting helps in the off season. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure before the games and after games, players are like,

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00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: I want to play for this team. I want to

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00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: play with that guy, So that can go a long way.

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00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: Ultimately comes down to fit and asking price. By the way,

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00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: in compensation, does it matter to you or say anything

898
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: that there were a number of Cardinal players that liked

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00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: the Instagram posts by the hob I didn't. I didn't

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00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: know that. But again, they're not the general manager. They're

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00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: not the ones you know, I got to cut the check.

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00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: So listen, I'm all for it. I think it's great. Um,

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00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, Kyler Murray's made recommendations this year. I think

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00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: he had a little bit more influence, not input, not

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00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: influence input. But I don't have a problem with it.

906
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: And I mean, let's be honest. I mean, how many

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00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: times was Larry Fitzgerald asked, what do you think about

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00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: this guy coming up? I know a lot a lot

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00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: of times? How would he fit? That's that's really the

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00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: first thing. And I think all these guys would fit

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00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: in the locker room because they feel that the team's

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00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: on the rise. But I know, Larry, I don't think

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00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: he was consulted. But how do you think this guy

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Speaker 1: was fit in the locker room? And sometimes it doesn't

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00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: work out. I Michael Crabtree. Yeah, that's a nice example

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00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: right there. It was kind of on the tip of

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00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: my tongue. I'll let you say that versus me here

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00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: on Cardinals cover too. I still say this about the

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00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: hob but it does show to your point that he cares.

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00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: And I think that is first and foremost bird gang

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00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: to takeaway. When you see Hopkins or some player or

922
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray say I want this or I want that guy.

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Speaker 1: You know they want to win, so why wouldn't they

924
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: make it public that they want the best to be here.

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00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: Let's blame it on the NBA I mean the more

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, all Pro players you have. Now, it doesn't

927
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: always equal winning. I mean, you know, the Raiders in

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Speaker 1: the Redskin, excuse me, the Washington football team for years

929
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: would go out and get this in the Eagles, a

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00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: dream team. It doesn't always work. But the better players

931
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Speaker 1: you have, the more success you're gonna have during the season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: talent doesn't always guarantee success, Butty, I still like the odds.

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Speaker 1: They are a little bit better when you have more

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Speaker 1: talent than the teams or players that you're going up

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Speaker 1: against each and every week. All right, bird Gang, we'll

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Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition. Cardinals Covered two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals Special. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always to our executive producer Jim Momanro for Mike Jarecki,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Riel Loup. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Scuver two.