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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live, presented by Calda Health. Welcome

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Speaker 1: into a Monday edition of One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: once again joined by our good buddy hold On, I

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Speaker 1: got a burp.

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Speaker 2: It's all that doctor.

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Speaker 1: Christ Trapasso and with us joining, I guess finishing up

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Chris Brown will be back in I think tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be gearing up for training camp coming in.

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Speaker 2: Just tookies report for the Bills tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Rookies report tomorrow, seven days ahead of it. That that's

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Speaker 1: all coming down the pipe. And and as you close

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Speaker 1: out this off season, we're gonna start focusing on what's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen in the next couple of weeks. Got a

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Speaker 1: couple of you going over to the notes of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You've got the Bills coming out today and announcing and

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Speaker 1: it's being confirmed by the NFL that they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: joint practices with the Pittsburgh Steelers. It'll be two days

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Speaker 1: before the preseason game on the seventeenth of August, so

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Speaker 1: the practice will be on the fifteenth in accur Acroschure Stadium.

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Speaker 1: The media will be allowed to come watch, but not

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Speaker 1: the general public. So that's gonna happen. A ton of

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Speaker 1: other teams that are also gonna have joint practices. The

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Speaker 1: Rams are headed to the Chargers. Wow, Okay, Detroit and

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Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna practice against each other in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta and Miami are gonna scrimmage in Miami. Not scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: but practice against each other. The Rams are also gonna

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Speaker 1: have joint practices with the Dallas Cowboys. Is there in Auction, California? Washington?

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Speaker 1: The Commanders and the Jets will meet in Florham Park,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and New England will have joint practices in Foxboro, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: And Indianapolis are gonna be in Westfield, Indiana. The Rams

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Speaker 1: and the Chargers again in El Segundo. Can you believe

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna do it twice? Yeah, they are ten

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Speaker 1: days apart.

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Speaker 2: Weird?

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Speaker 1: Why are they doing? And the Rams in between that

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Speaker 1: the Rams are gonna be in against Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Strange They're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have a joint practice against the Chargers, a

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Speaker 1: joint practice against the Cowboys, and then another joint practice

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Speaker 1: with the Chargers ten days apart. All in ten days.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I guess Sean McVay and less neither GM. They're

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Speaker 2: really into those joint practices, which to have it three

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Speaker 2: separate ones, that's pretty unusual.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL. You gotta be bored out of your mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get you that.

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Speaker 2: There's preseason games in between there too.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's heading to Berea, Ohio to practice with the Brown

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Speaker 1: Seattle and Tennessee in Nashville, Tampa Bay and Jacksonville. In Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: of course we just mentioned. Buffalo is going to go

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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh a couple of days before their game preseason

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Speaker 1: game Cincinnati and Chicago, and in Chicago, the Jets are

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Speaker 1: also going to joint practice with Carolina in Charlotte. So

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Speaker 1: the Jets are going to practice against Washington at home

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Speaker 1: and Charlotte on the road. San Francisco and New Orleans

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Speaker 1: Miami Gardens. So Miami's hosting the Commanders and they are

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Speaker 1: hosting Atlanta in consecutive weeks or actually ten days apart.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay is going to Denver out in Englewood, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis is going to have a second bunch of joint practices.

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Speaker 1: This one was Cincinnati. So Indy will host Arizona and

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Speaker 1: then they'll go to Cincinnati, Miami and Tampa Bay three times.

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Speaker 1: Miami's gonna have it on the road in Tampa, at

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Speaker 1: spending a lot of time with joint practices. The Giants

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Speaker 1: for the second time, they're gonna practice, but it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be against the Jets there in Floria Park. So that's

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Speaker 1: I haven't never heard, are going to practice in Houston

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Yeah, the Cowboys thing. Uh, then they're gonna

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Speaker 2: The only thing I can think of why a team

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Speaker 2: short training camp has gotten. We've talked about it a

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Speaker 2: Now the bills are only at I'll say this in

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Speaker 1: You hear it a lot that and it's probably true.

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Speaker 1: Coaching staffs and gms and scouts and teams and even

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Speaker 2: The games. Yeah, because there's coaching involved, you can stop.

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Speaker 1: Style, yeah, you can. You get them iso. Every guy's

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Speaker 1: I'll say this too, it's I have to agree with

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Speaker 1: it as a player. Is a guy who went through

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Speaker 1: that stuff and the joint practices and my rookie season,

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Speaker 1: you know, back in the nineteen forties, the Houston Oilers

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Speaker 1: was eye opening for me as a young player, really young,

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Speaker 2: Just to get those one on ones against a different team.

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Speaker 1: Then you walk out there and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's it's like a it's leveled up. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: just no other way to say. It's leveled up. And

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Speaker 1: there's this dynamic that goes on in the in the

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Speaker 1: each team where your lead dog steps up and takes

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Speaker 1: so there you know that that I you know, it's

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Speaker 1: this kind of hierarchy and this pecking order and also

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Speaker 1: you're doing all this stuff and it's and it's big

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Speaker 1: because it's you, really you all. When it's your team

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Speaker 1: and you're practicing, you're you're out there trying to get better,

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Speaker 1: and you're thinking about and you're watching the guys because

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Speaker 1: they're teammates, right, you're kind of on one hand hoping

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Speaker 1: they do well, hoping the team looks good, helping we're

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Speaker 1: doing good and all of that. But when you start

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Speaker 2: That's all different dynamic, that's all different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your whole mindset changes this and it is let's competition,

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Speaker 1: les compete, and you're not only striving for a roster

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Speaker 1: spot as a young player, you're trying to earn respect

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Speaker 1: to those guys are there you don't even know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And it kind of feels like too.

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Speaker 2: Even though training camp has gotten so short, even with

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Speaker 2: the Bills, it pretty much happens with every team. By

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Speaker 2: that second week or so, there's usually a little fight

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Speaker 2: that breaks out, a little skirmish that has to kind

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Speaker 2: of get broken up. It's almost like from what you

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Speaker 2: were just describing, going from just facing your teammates where

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Speaker 2: you really maybe can't go one hundred percent because you

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Speaker 2: don't want to injure anybody, suddenly in that one on

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Speaker 2: really go full board because you're facing an opponent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're if you're out there, you're a hundred percent

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Speaker 1: let's go. And so nobody's nobody's like, you know, you

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Speaker 1: ain't got a red jerseys out there, Yeah, exacunly like that,

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Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks will probably wear them. But that's going on.

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Speaker 1: So all that stuff came out today, a lot of

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Speaker 1: lot of fun matchups to think about, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a big deal for the Bills to go down

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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh and take on a Steelers team. Also, today

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Speaker 1: at four PM is the deadline for NFL clubs that

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Speaker 1: you can sign the players you've got on franchise tags.

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Speaker 1: You can sign them to a multi year contract. After

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Speaker 1: this date, after four o'clock today, you can't sign them.

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Speaker 1: They're assigning they're a one year deal and that's it.

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Speaker 1: You can't even negotiate during the season. They can't sign

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Speaker 1: the regular season, so you can't extend any of these guys.

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Speaker 1: So the franchise tag ees around the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: this is it. If they don't have a deal done

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Speaker 1: by four o'clock today, they're going to be a free

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Speaker 1: agent at the end of the season, or they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to get tagged again if they are eligible for it.

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Speaker 1: And after this, as we just said, the next big

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Speaker 1: date on the calendar is Rookie Reporting Date. The Bill's

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Speaker 1: rookies report tomorrow. It's seven days before the mandatory veteran

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Speaker 1: report day that the rookies can report or will report,

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Speaker 1: and that changes. It varies front back a couple of

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Speaker 1: they open up camp. Also, we've been going over while

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Speaker 1: Chris has been here. It's list season, so they're ranking

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Speaker 1: all the positions. By the way, the quarterback players. Josh

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Speaker 1: was number three on the quarterback list, behind Pat and

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Speaker 2: I still think he's the second best quarterback in the league,

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Speaker 2: and I outlined him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's more difficult to defend.

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Speaker 2: He's more difficult to defend. That's what I said last

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Speaker 2: week that you could even say, okay, maybe Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: think Joe Burrow is a better overall, more accurate passer

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Speaker 2: it's close. In terms of their mobility, what they bring

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Speaker 2: in the run game, Josh Allen is miles ahead of

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. So to defend against You're right, they're just

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Speaker 1: I think this too. If you took Joe Burrow and

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Speaker 1: I think you know, I think Josh would do better

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean, same thing, not a major gripe,

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Speaker 2: but I would have him at number two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I mean one spot. And also

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Speaker 1: that so, Josh was ranked number three on as quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He was also in Pro Pro Football Network ranked their

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Speaker 1: top one hundred players. Josh is number eleven on that list,

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Speaker 1: and actually Matt Milano was number seventy three, And those

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Speaker 1: the list. It's also been Yeah, I was also looking

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Speaker 1: you go down that list of one hundred, that's yet.

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Speaker 2: No Dan Dawkins. That's the only other one that I

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Speaker 2: think is the league wide. But he's almost like that

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Speaker 2: because of his personality, how bubbly if evacious he is.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like because of the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: you don't you can watch a Bills game and there's

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Speaker 2: no holding calls, there's no spectacular plays. It's just he

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Speaker 2: blocks everything in front of him. It's a little surprising

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Speaker 2: to me that he didn't get more those decoades. But

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Speaker 2: then at the same time, it's like he's just so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and all these guys, I mean, it's so close

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you say, tapering their training. Josh.

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Speaker 1: Of course, as we've all been watching, he's been showing

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Speaker 1: And you see this thing. We were talking about Josh

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Speaker 2: that he beyond the physical skills which are certainly through

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Speaker 2: the roof mentally, and just the type of guy he is.

436
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Speaker 2: He's not this GQ cosmopolitan guy here in Buffalo. He

437
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: kind of fits the city of Buffalo. And at the

438
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: time it was like, well, I don't really care if

439
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: he's Buffalo, if he's GQ or whatever. Just be a

440
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: good quarterback. He's certainly been that. But now I think

441
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Speaker 2: you're seeing why what I don't get to really get

442
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: my hands on too much with meeting the players, getting

443
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: to know them, why that part of the scouting process matters,

444
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Speaker 2: and that Bean and his staff in twenty eighteen were like,

445
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Speaker 2: this is the one for Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: We got a caller on the line, Dave from Buffalo. Dave,

447
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Speaker 1: you're on with Chris and Steve, what are you looking

448
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Speaker 1: forward to about training camp.

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to seeing how they replace losing

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Speaker 3: Diggs and Davis. And the interesting thing about losing them

451
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Speaker 3: is actually, if you look at their production on the

452
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Speaker 3: normal receiver stats slash year, that Diggs was much stronger

453
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Speaker 3: and the beginning of the year than he was at

454
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Speaker 3: the end of the year, just at the critical time

455
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Speaker 3: they were actually go were going six and three, and

456
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: Davis was even an oper in terms of normal receiver

457
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Speaker 3: stats towards the end of the year and then actually

458
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Speaker 3: were replacing them. The important things that Diggs and Davids

459
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Speaker 3: Gabman last year was Diggs was just a threat that

460
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Speaker 3: allowed them to exploit other areas to get receptions, and

461
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Speaker 3: Davis was actually more of a threat as a blocker.

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Speaker 3: So even though we got a bunch of interesting wide

463
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Speaker 3: receivers in like Claypool and other folks, that really the

464
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Speaker 3: thing that's going to make the difference is where do

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Speaker 3: they fit in the blocking scheme to free a balance

466
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Speaker 3: to roam around the field like he wants to roam around.

467
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Speaker 3: And as far as disc goes, the thing that interests

468
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Speaker 3: me about Coleman is again not so much whether he

469
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Speaker 3: produces or not, but that he forces the other team

470
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Speaker 3: to worry about if he's going to be able to

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Speaker 3: make those circus catches and things when he competes with people,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a downfall threat that actually are going to

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Speaker 3: be of Kincaid and Knox as the mainstays in our

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Speaker 3: receiving game, catching game, that we're going to have folks

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Speaker 3: like Quinton Morris and Gilly Max even come in and

476
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Speaker 3: on running plays and things like that. So it's gonna

477
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Speaker 3: be really interesting to see how they deal with the

478
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Speaker 3: fact that they lost such you know, odd contributions from

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Speaker 3: the receiver slash here to have this new squad coming in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's thank you, Dave. That's that's good. It's good insight.

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I think it's going to be interesting

482
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Speaker 1: to see how this offense does change. There's no way

483
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Speaker 1: it can look the same in the passing game. When

484
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Speaker 1: you've got you know, Davis gone, Dig's gone. You've got

485
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Speaker 1: guy for me at most points I'm speaking generally here,

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Speaker 1: Digs at one end of the spectrum, who is an

487
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Speaker 1: elite high production vibrator. Gabe Davis is kind of at

488
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Speaker 1: the other one. He catches about half balls that are

489
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Speaker 1: thrown to him. He's a good blocker, and every once

490
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Speaker 1: in a while he shows up.

491
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Speaker 2: Boom or bust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now it seems as though everybody else until

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Speaker 1: somebody proves otherwise that they can produce like that, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be somewhere in the middle between Digs and Davis.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be a little better catch rate than Davis,

496
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Speaker 1: a little you know, same size kind of better catch

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Speaker 1: rate and Digs. It's hard to say anybody on this

498
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Speaker 1: team's gonna like jump up and be a twelve hundred

499
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Speaker 1: yard thirteen hundred yard receiver with one hundred and five

500
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Speaker 1: catch that kind of thing. Yeah, so when somebody does it, okay,

501
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Speaker 1: they've replaced Diggs. But most of these guys are gonna

502
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Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle of Diggs Davis, and you're

503
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Speaker 1: gonna have a bunch of them.

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Speaker 2: That's what they they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: How's that gonna change the way it looks with Josh

506
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Speaker 1: Allen pulling the trigger? Are we gonna see more different

507
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: guys catching the football? Are they gonna seem like they

508
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: stay on the field easier get first downs? I mean, nobody,

509
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: let nobody had more first downs than they did, and

510
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Speaker 1: they're the toughest team in the league to get off

511
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Speaker 1: the field on third down. I mean, they're really good

512
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna They're gonna continue to be really good,

513
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Speaker 1: I think. But what's how different is it gonna look

514
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Speaker 1: with these guys out there? You know, you got Shakir

515
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Speaker 1: who we saw like the last six or seven games

516
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Speaker 1: really and ken Kaid who emerged when Dawson got hurt.

517
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Speaker 1: What are we looking at here?

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Speaker 2: Everything else is all new? And that's what's so interesting

519
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Speaker 2: about training camp. That was a great call from Dave

520
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: because at training camp at St. John Fisher University, that's

521
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Speaker 2: when we're going to first see the packing order and

522
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Speaker 2: to your point, Steve, how it's going to look. How

523
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Speaker 2: many different personnel groupings and formations are they going to utilize.

524
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Speaker 2: Is there going to be a you know, MVS taking

525
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Speaker 2: that wide receiver four role? Is it Chase Claypool, is

526
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Speaker 2: it Andy Isabella? Is it one of them? This is

527
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Speaker 2: the first time up close in the stands in Pittsford

528
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: that you'll be able to see how this new wide

529
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Speaker 2: receiver group and just the aerial game overall starting to

530
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Speaker 2: take shape. Before they get to those preseason games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's you know, this roster we're looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Actually here on MSG for a radio listeners, Claypool, Keon Coleman, Hammler, Hollins,

533
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Speaker 1: Andy Isabella, Xavier Johnson, Curtis Samuel, Khalil, Shakir, Tyrrel Shaver's

534
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Speaker 1: Justin Shorter, Brian Thompson, Marquez Valdez, Scantling, and Lawrence Keyes

535
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Speaker 1: rounds out that whole list. You know, there's four thirteen

536
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Speaker 1: guys on that list who's gonna step up. They're gonna

537
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Speaker 1: keep for sure five on the active roster. On game day,

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Speaker 1: they'll probably have six at least on the roster, which

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be. You know, Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman.

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Speaker 2: Those are the top three to me. Four and five

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Speaker 2: are interest now.

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Speaker 1: Marquez, Valdez, Scantling, Chase, Claypool have got some chops in

543
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Speaker 1: the league. kJ Hammler has a unique skill set.

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Speaker 2: Matt Collins the aides special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems to be like the like the army knife,

546
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Speaker 1: who can He's gonna be able to plug in in

547
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Speaker 1: any spot, yep, and be the first guy in off

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Speaker 1: the bench or the fourth guy in. I guess as

549
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Speaker 1: you would.

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Speaker 2: Say, play some special teams block a little bit. It

551
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Speaker 2: feels like he would go into training camp as the

552
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Speaker 2: let's say, the clubhouse leader, to use the golf term.

553
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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's necessarily just gonna be handed

554
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: to him. That's just not been any bit of the

555
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: way that the Bills have done it in the Sean

556
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Speaker 2: McDermott and Brandon bean era. If Chase Claypool is uncoverable

557
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: and it's catching everything in training camp in the preseason,

558
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Speaker 2: he's going to be there Week one and as the

559
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Speaker 2: fourth wide receiver target. I think, like you mentioned, Coleman,

560
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Speaker 2: Shakir and Samuel are going to be the top three

561
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Speaker 2: and they're going to use the backs and Kinkaiden Knox.

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Speaker 2: We talked about twelve personnel that wide receiver four to

563
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: five battle, because like you're saying, Steve, that there's probably

564
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Speaker 2: going to be at least five wide receivers on the

565
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Speaker 2: active roster. Who are those players going to be will

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Speaker 2: first to see that start to take shape at training camp.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and Christapasa, We're going to take a break here,

568
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Speaker 1: Tom from West Virginia. We'll get to you right after

569
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Speaker 1: the break. We also have Ben Volin from the Boston

570
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: Globe coming on later on in the show, you're listening

571
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Speaker 1: to Buffalo Bill's Radio, and this is One Bill's Live.

572
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker along with

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Speaker 1: Christrapasso over He'll till three o'clock. Ben Volin from the

574
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Boston Globes coming on later on. We're going to take

575
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Speaker 1: some phone calls now about what you're looking forward to

576
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Speaker 1: most in training camp. Tom from West Virginia, Thanks for

577
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Speaker 1: holding what's on your mind?

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, I'm a long time listener, first time caller.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to like really talk about like our

580
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: receiving corps again. I know it's been we're beating this,

581
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Speaker 4: you know, beating the subject to death. But I got

582
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Speaker 4: a lot of guys, like a lot of friends that

583
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: are obviously awful Dolphins fans, and they always want to

584
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: point out they're like, well, you guys lost. You guys

585
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: lost step On Diggs, you guys lost Gabe Davis. And

586
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: I was just like, you know, two guys that were

587
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: really superstars on our team kind of held us back

588
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: last season. I mean, I think at one point when

589
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: analysts start talking about Gabe Davis being a great blocker.

590
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: That's kind of like the downfall of him of a receiver,

591
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 4: I think. And then then step On Diggs was nowhere

592
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Speaker 4: to be found the whole second half of the season.

593
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Speaker 4: And then like our third anchor in the whole season

594
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: was just Von Miller's play. It was just awful. But

595
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm looking forward to the training camp and

596
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 4: seeing how these new receivers turn out. And I do

597
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Speaker 4: have a question for you guys too, is what are

598
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Speaker 4: your expectations and your predictions for the first game against

599
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals. Uh, me and my wife will be in attendance,

600
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Speaker 4: and that's all I have. So I'm gonna sit back

601
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Speaker 4: and listen see what you guys have to say.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, I appreciate that. Colin, thanks for finally getting

603
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Speaker 1: up the courage to call in. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: You guys thakbout tweets all the time. I love it.

605
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: I just figure it out. My wife like call it,

606
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Speaker 4: call it. You're a big Steve Taster fed, You're a

607
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Speaker 4: bit to do it to it. I was like, all right,

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Speaker 4: I hope to beat you guys in a you know,

609
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Speaker 4: you know, in real life one day. I'm a big

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Speaker 4: Matty Gleff fan too. I think she's one of the

611
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Speaker 4: most intelligent people you could, you know here on the radio.

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Speaker 1: Very sweeter, Thanks job, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: All right, all right, guys, let's sit back and listen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. The uh about the H Gabe, Steph Vaughn,

615
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Speaker 1: and you're right. You think about Steph disappearing in the

616
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Speaker 1: second half of the season, Gabe kind of doing the

617
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Speaker 1: same thing, and of course Vaughn, who was you know,

618
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Speaker 1: trying to get back on this back in the saddle

619
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Speaker 1: and it said since he probably shouldn't have been playing,

620
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Speaker 1: but like everything, he wanted to help all those guys.

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Speaker 1: You would think that this year, even with Vaughn coming

622
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Speaker 1: back kind of if you put your finger quotes on

623
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Speaker 1: replacing himself from last year, you gotta think he's gonna

624
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Speaker 1: be a better player this year than he was last

625
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: year and his role will maybe significantly change. I am

626
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Speaker 1: still very high on what this receiver room is gonna do,

627
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Speaker 1: mostly because they got Josh thrown to him, and Josh

628
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: does have enough in the cupboard with James Cook, Dalton Kinkaid,

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Speaker 1: Dawson Knox and Khalil Shakir that he's got some guys

630
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Speaker 1: that he trusts he's gonna be able to throw the

631
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Speaker 1: football to and get them under there, get their feet

632
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Speaker 1: under him. Curtis, Samuel Claypool, Mac Hollins, h MVS I think,

633
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Speaker 1: and Coleman too. But the guys with the chops in

634
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Speaker 1: the NFL, like Samuel Claypool, vow MVS and Hollands, those

635
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: guys are gonna get it. I mean, they're gonna They're

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Speaker 1: gonna know how to make themselves available to Josh. They're

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00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: gonna pick this offense up. It's not gonna be too

638
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: big for him. They're gonna acclimate very quickly to the culture.

639
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: And you can just bet that they're gonna pick up

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00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: where they left off, wherever it is. And and I

641
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: think that all of those guys could give you more

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00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: than Gabe Davis did as a receiver. Now you can.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I'm not gonna lose sleepover not

644
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: having as good a blocker outside as Gabe Davis in

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Speaker 1: the run game. I ain't losing sleep over that. I

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Speaker 1: would love it. If you get a guy that can

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Speaker 1: get seventy catches instead of forty catches, it.

648
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Speaker 2: Might not be as good of a blocker, it might.

649
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: Not be as good of a blocker. Give me a

650
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: guy that gives me seventy catches as a number two

651
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver, eighty five catches as the number two wide receiver.

652
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was always on with Gabe Davis

653
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: is that he was not a complete number two in

654
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: that he, like you mentioned earlier, he was boom er bust,

655
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: would have zero catches for zero yards, next week four

656
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: catches for one hundred and thirty and three touchdowns. He

657
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: was very up and down. Wasn't a big time separator.

658
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: Did have a very established and almost you know, six

659
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: cents with Josh Allen of where to be near the sideline.

660
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: Things like that. Ye do him any good though, but

661
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: it didn't do him any good down the stretch. So

662
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: I think with this, you know, these thirteen wide receivers

663
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: on the roster, I don't think it will be that

664
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Speaker 2: difficult to replace, and, like you're saying, be more efficient

665
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: than what Gabe Davis was even the last couple of years,

666
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: and certainly last year in his final season with Buffalo.

667
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: The digs thing, the separator, the wide receiver one, I

668
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: don't think the Bills are asking for that. They've had

669
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: Kean Coleman in he said, I'm not trying to replace

670
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: Defon Diggs or Gabe Davis. And for the first time

671
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: really since he's broken out into being an elite quarterback,

672
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: Josh Allen isn't going to have well, I should probably

673
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: throw it to fourteen. I gotta look toward fourteen's way.

674
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: I gotta look fourteen's way. He can just be a

675
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Speaker 2: quarterback and distribute the football really for the first time

676
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Speaker 2: that we've seen in the last four years.

677
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the last thing that Tom wanted to

678
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: hear about was the Arizona game opening game one o'clock

679
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, September eighth. I think you Arizona fans are

680
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: the same way for their team. But Bill's fans, I mean,

681
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: you're you're already chalking that up as a w The

682
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and Kyler Murray and those guys, they got

683
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: a lot to prove.

684
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: They have a lot to prove. Marvin Harrison Junior will

685
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: be tough, but its first game, it'll be interesting that

686
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: roster is not.

687
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can best gonna be smoking hot out here.

688
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: The team's gonna be sky high, and and Buffalo is

689
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: a tough place to play. I think Arizona is really

690
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: uh they've got if they win that game, that'll turn

691
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: some heads. For They will absolutely turn some heads in Arizona,

692
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Speaker 1: and it'll it'll be something that even most of their

693
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: most ardent fans would think. Man, they got to prove

694
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: it to me to go into Buffalo and beat that team,

695
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: even with all the changes in Buffalo. But yeah, that

696
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: they start out with the Arizona Cardinals at home and

697
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Speaker 1: then go to Miami, Jacksonville, and Baltimore in the first

698
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: month of the season. We'll see, uh, a lot going

699
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Speaker 1: on in the first month of the season, like there

700
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: always is. But you know, we'll just take it, take

701
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: it as it comes. Let's see if we can go

702
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: to Bill and Old four here. Bill, thanks for coming

703
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: that up in the Adirondecks. Appreciate you calling. What's on

704
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: your mind?

705
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Speaker 5: Hey guys, Well, I used to live in Rochester, New York,

706
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 5: so I go back aways. I was going to Bill's

707
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 5: camp back when Rob Johnson and Fluti were battling it

708
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: out way back in the day when they first started

709
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: going there. I actually loved it. I loved it more

710
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 5: than just going even to a game, just because full tilt,

711
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 5: all out contact the goal lines drills they used to do.

712
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 5: I mean, you're, what twenty thirty feet from him with

713
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 5: McGahee run off the middle and spikes stuffing them and

714
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: Nate Clement Stante Winner the good old days, Marshaun Lynch.

715
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 5: I'm talking all out contact.

716
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: It was great.

717
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 5: Personally, I think camp is boring out. I actually think

718
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 5: it's it's unless you saw those old practices. Maybe you're

719
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: like it, but if you saw those old practices, it's

720
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 5: hard to even go. I don't go anymore. I stopped

721
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 5: going when when Rex Ryan was here with McCloy and

722
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: you know, back even then they were getting away from

723
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: the bringing guys down and the full contact. Now you

724
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: got cowardine helmets or whatever. I don't mean to be

725
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: a Debbie downer, but Steve or anybody's done. You know,

726
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: you practiced in him, you know, full till. My question

727
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 5: from that is this, Okay, back in the day, full till,

728
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 5: anybody who played football knows until you're actually all out,

729
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: you don't know who's gonna the cream rise at the top.

730
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: Anybody looks good and touching the ball, running drills, all

731
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 5: that that kind of stuff. It's when you're going full tilt,

732
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: we can tell how much harder is it now? Well,

733
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: first off, how much do you think the coaches hate

734
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 5: these new rules that they can't see what they saw

735
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: throughout the history of their coaching careers or when they

736
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 5: even played of how to evaluate talent when you're not

737
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: going full tilt and bringing guys down. Is it harder

738
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: now for a guy to make or say a sum

739
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: thrown pick like Stevie Johnson when he started out man

740
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 5: he was going over the middle. He's making up funk

741
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: and touch the touches. He's getting crushed, He's hanging out

742
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 5: of the ball. That's how he made the roster. I

743
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 5: remember him grinding his way up through camp thinking that

744
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: man number thirteen was pretty damn good. Now it's kind

745
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: of hard to tell more because the contact's gone and

746
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 5: they're not bringing guys down, or even a running back

747
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: that is he breaking tackles? Is he getting through NFL tackles?

748
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: Who knows because they're sutting up. Now, how much hud

749
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: is it now for a guy that doesn't have the

750
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 5: big name, or in a free agent that came here,

751
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 5: or a draftee that wasn't drafted that they're bringing in

752
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 5: to make a roster now and show that he deserves

753
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: to be on a roster compared to what it was

754
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 5: when I was talking about, like I said, full till

755
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 5: actual NFL practices, double sashions and all that good stuff.

756
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call, Tom, that's or Bill.

757
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, thanks, Bill. What do you think interesting? It's

758
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: still extremely difficult, but it is different. I mean that

759
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: it's not easier, it's just different. Yeah, the full contact

760
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Yeah, the coaches these days don't

761
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: like how they can't find out about guys, but they

762
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: sure love hitting the regular season with a much healthier roster.

763
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: That I was just gonna say. It's all about the health.

764
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a trade off. And We've gone

765
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: round and around, and I've talked about at this different

766
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: times throughout every offseason and in season. It's hard to

767
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: play defense in the NFL because of the risk restrictions

768
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: on what they're able to do when they tackle guys.

769
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's doubly so in training camp when that

770
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: used to be nobody can ever, No everybody ever trains

771
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: by playing full contact sports. You train by doing exercise

772
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: and working out, and then when you get on the field,

773
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: you kind of have to get used to tackling again.

774
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: He used to being tackled again. Used to have you know,

775
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: falling and rolling over and you know, mitigating the contact

776
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: and the contact with the ground. All of that stuff

777
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: goes into the mix. And it's hard to do now

778
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: because you don't get to practice it. And I think

779
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: too that the games. I don't think the game's bad now.

780
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: To Bill's point, no, I training camp is just as

781
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: fun to go to now, and I know you lose.

782
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: The violence is fun and all of that. And by

783
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: the way, I'll try not to be insulted that you're

784
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about the way back in the day when

785
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: guys about guys that played fifteen years after I finished,

786
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: so Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie. But so that's yeah, the

787
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: game has evolved. It's evolved for the better. Training camp

788
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: is much different now than it ever has been. Uh,

789
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: there isn't the full blown contact of like a full

790
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: game action and that kind of intensity in training camp.

791
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: And in fact, even if they did go full tilt

792
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: in training camp and tackleize it, it would look much

793
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: different than it did back in the day. Sure, because

794
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: you don't have guys head hunting. You don't have guys

795
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: going high on tackles, you don't have guys laying, you know,

796
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: clotheslining guys. All of that stuff's the illegal now. And

797
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: even you know, even in practice when you go full tilt,

798
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: you know that used to happen. And so even to

799
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: your point, even if they allowed it to go full tilt,

800
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: it wouldn't look the same because the game is different.

801
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: They outlawed a lot of stuff that got guys hurt

802
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: just on a regular and routine tackle. So the game's

803
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: better now because of it. I know you don't like it,

804
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: and I know nobody wants to hear it because they whatever.

805
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: The game's better now because you get healthier guys playing

806
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: most of the time.

807
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the trade off. Like you maybe liked training

808
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: camp in the early two thousands, there was a lot

809
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: of hard hits, but now you don't get those, and

810
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: your favorite players actually make it to the regular season.

811
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: They're not getting knocked out by their own safety in camp.

812
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: And but to Bill's point, I think the coaches probably

813
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: do like a little bit more of an audition for

814
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: the real game, which is why we're seeing so many

815
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: of these joint practices where the competition is kind of

816
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: ramped up a little bit. This was not something that

817
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: that twenty thirty years ago we saw that much of Now,

818
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: like Steve redoff at the beginning of the show, there's

819
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: the Rams have four different joint practices. The Dolphins are

820
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: involving three of them. I think that's where the coaches,

821
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to say, find a loophole in the rules,

822
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: but they're like, all right, we can can't do too

823
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: much by ourselves. Let's turn up the competition level and

824
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: face another team before we get to them.

825
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're still not going to go full go

826
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: in those practices, and they should I don't think. I

827
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: think what happens is they you know, it's just ups

828
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: the level of evaluation because you're not going against You

829
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: haven't seen this guy defend all the guys on your roster,

830
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna go up against him. He kind

831
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: of got to handle on him. You're gonna step into

832
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: the play and just you gotta go cold. So Steve Tasker, Christopasier,

833
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break, Mark and West Seneca will

834
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: take your call right after this, Steve Tasker, Christah Passo,

835
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,759
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836
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847
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

848
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: And Bill's Mafia is known for the for how well

849
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: it donates.

850
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 6: Yeah.

851
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: They create a lot of different causes.

852
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Speaker 1: That's one of the cool things about the fan base

853
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,920
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854
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: they they jump on board with all of that stuff

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856
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: to go to the phones and talk to Mark and

857
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: West Seneca. Mark, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Steve A Chris, how are you today?

859
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Speaker 2: Very good?

860
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Speaker 7: That's good? That's good? Hey, two quick quick points. As

861
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Speaker 7: far as training camp goes, I would love to see teams,

862
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Speaker 7: and especially the Bills, do what the Rams are doing,

863
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 7: go to maybe four joint practices and where they can

864
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 7: use their veterans in a much more controlled environment and

865
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 7: give them their work there. And and I'd like to

866
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 7: see them go down to one preseason game, but they'll

867
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 7: never do that. So if you go to two, play

868
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 7: all the rookies, newcomers and all, you know, all the

869
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 7: guys who are not projected as starters but are playing

870
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 7: their way that way. Let them play in the games

871
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 7: and be a little bit safer that way. And I

872
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 7: know there's no guarantees with injuries, but I think the

873
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 7: controlled environment is the way to go with the bets.

874
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: And it's go ahead anything else.

875
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 8: Oh, real quick.

876
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 7: As far as camp goes, A lot to talk about

877
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 7: the wideouts, a lot to talk about Claypool and MVS.

878
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 7: I am. I'm not a de Wie downer, and I

879
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 7: don't want to knock those guys, but these guys are

880
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 7: basically cast offs from multiple multiple teams now and they've

881
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 7: got a lot to prove. And the Bills are putting

882
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 7: a little bit of their eggs and those baskets right there.

883
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 7: I will not be surprised if people down the roster

884
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 7: from those two guys actually come up and challenge them

885
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 7: and pass them early in camp with playing time and

886
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 7: where they're going to fit in on the roster. I

887
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 7: think it's an uphill battle both of those guys, you know.

888
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 7: And it's very unusual for guys who have been cast

889
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 7: offs by multiple teams in the NFL to go to

890
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 7: another team and then become a big part of that

891
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 7: team and make a difference. So I hope they can

892
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 7: do it. We need it, you know, and they certainly

893
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 7: have the physical traits of NFL wideouts. But it's for me.

894
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 7: It's show me, so all right, appreciate it, guys, take

895
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 7: care us Mark appreciate it.

896
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: Youah.

897
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: Forget about Justin Shorter, Like before they signed Claypool and MVS.

898
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: I think every time I was on, we got five

899
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: calls about Justin Shorter. He's big, he's fast, he was

900
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: five star recruit Penn State to Florida Flash last year

901
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: in the Repressive.

902
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: He's an impressive specimen.

903
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: Had that touchdown against the Steelers. If you're watching on MSG,

904
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: you're seeing it now. Caught a lot of passes down

905
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: the field at Florida when he really settled in there

906
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: with the Gators, his final three seasons in the SEC

907
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: only dropped six passes. Was pretty good in those contested

908
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: catch situations. And this is a big, big straight line

909
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: burner that's deceptively fast. If anyone just on paper could

910
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: fill a Gabe Davis roll where he's not going to

911
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: get open a ton, he's not going to create after

912
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: the catch, but can be just a vertical specimen that

913
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: can replace Gave Davis, it's probably justin s.

914
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting that that he talked about the preseason,

915
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: like go to four joint practices and then just one

916
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: preseason game. I'll say this, if there's one aspect of

917
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: the NFL that needs and we've heard rumblings from the

918
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: union and the players union and the ownership of the

919
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: eighteen game schedule going to two preseason games. If there's

920
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: one aspect of the season and the calendar in the

921
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: NFL that needs to be completely revisited and redesigned, it

922
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: would be the preseason. For me, games are idiotic. It's

923
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: a scrimmage at best. It is a live game. I

924
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: get all that. Nobody wants to risk their starters. Nobody

925
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: wants to risk their best players. Nobody wants to do that.

926
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: And we've heard it time and time again, players, coaches, executives,

927
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: even I and I iterated my opinion about it that

928
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: you find out more in joint practices. Now that doesn't

929
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: mean you get off injury.

930
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: Free, but way less.

931
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also, and it's a microcosm of each player's

932
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: individual position. You can totally dissect what they're doing and

933
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: how they're doing it against an actually live position. He

934
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: can coach them up and the film is more valuable.

935
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: I think the preseason needs to be completely revisited. The

936
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: preseason game. There used to be six of those jokers

937
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: way back in the day, six of them. And I

938
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: mean it was like Johnny Unine is playing in the

939
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, six of them. Guy. Yeah, they had guys

940
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: playing to get in shape to play football in the

941
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: regular season because the league was in its early decade.

942
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: In the early decades, we just kind of get its

943
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: feet and they were paying guys, but they were it

944
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: was a job a lot every guy. Most guys had

945
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: a second job in the offseason. I'm talking sixty years ago. Sure,

946
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: so much side, but now they're all professional athletes to

947
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: do it year round, So that in and of itself

948
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: was impetuous enough for them to cut back from six

949
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: preseason games down to four, four and now three.

950
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: And with the eighteen game schedule, which we feel like

951
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: is a formality at this point, probably will go down

952
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: to two hopefully.

953
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I even too, they're ceremonial at best at best. Now,

954
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: I get it too. You do want your guys to

955
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a dry run on their

956
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: game day routine, getting to the stadium, getting dressed, getting

957
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: taped up, getting their game pads on, getting the pregame

958
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: ritual in uh a pregame warm up, how to do it.

959
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: This is how we warm up for games. This is

960
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: how we do it. To get it so it's all

961
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: smooth on game day, so they don't want to be

962
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: thinking about all this, like were my socks you know

963
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: on game one? Right week one? So I get all

964
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: of that, but man, it's everything is completely different than

965
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: it was sixty years ago in the preseason, and they

966
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: should it should reflect that, I think.

967
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: So I agree with that.

968
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer.

969
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: Is, and I don't think anyone would disagree that feels

970
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: like I mean, there's a lot of differing opinions when

971
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 2: it comes to anything NFL, it feels like almost everyone

972
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: media members, fans, probably coaches, and players all feel the

973
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: same way. Probably the owners too. When it comes to

974
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: the preseason, the training camp, that whole blend. It could

975
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: be done a lot more efficient.

976
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: We're up against it. We're gonna we might. I'm gonna

977
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: take one last call real quick, Tom from cheek to woga.

978
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: But right before we take a break, Tom, you're up

979
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: against the break, Go ahead and tell us what you want.

980
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 8: Hey, Steve, first off, you and Alex mcgilney to Buffalo

981
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 8: eighty nine. It's why you guys are in the Hall

982
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 8: of Fames. Beyond me, you'll feel a little better too.

983
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 8: I used to go to the training camp at Nagure you.

984
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 8: But my question was the Buffalo kid, Lancaster kid. I

985
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 8: can't think of his name, andres is he still on

986
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 8: the roster? And the kicker they brought in from San

987
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 8: Diego State. I don't get the paper anymore, so I

988
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 8: just two guys are still on the roster, and I

989
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 8: was wondering what you thought of them? And thanks, guys,

990
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 8: I'll hang.

991
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: Up with us.

992
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 8: Who's he talking to other than the kicker from San

993
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 8: Diego State.

994
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're both still on the roster. What

995
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: I can say to Andreas and I just scouted him

996
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: at you B coming into the draft. I didn't love

997
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: his film. He didn't get drafted, but you can tell

998
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: he is a supreme athlete, and I think that's why

999
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: he was signed as an undrafted free agent, went through

1000
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: the trial period, impressed enough there where they're like, hey,

1001
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: this guy has the traits that the likes of Sean

1002
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: McDermott and Bobby Babbitt, who have done a great job

1003
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: throughout their careers with linebackers. They have something to work

1004
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: with athleticism wise, and we know it's a very athletic

1005
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: Bill's linebacker group, So I think that's really what he

1006
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: has going for.

1007
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Christapassel, we're going to take a break. Ben

1008
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Vollin joins us. He's previewing the AFC eas We're gonna

1009
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: go down the list of teams Jets, Bills, Dolphins, Patriots,

1010
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: and we'll see what Ben Vollin has to think about him.

1011
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: He is the senior uh NFL writer from the Boston Globe.

1012
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: He's going to join us right after the break, Steve Tascher, Christrapasso.

1013
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: Here till three. This is One Bill's Live. You're listening

1014
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: to Buffalo Bills Radio. This the One Bills Live presented

1015
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: by Calllida Health. Welcome back to One Bill's Live, Steve

1016
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: Tasker along with Chris Trapasso. We are pleased to be

1017
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: joined now by Boston Globe senior NFL writer Ben voland Ben,

1018
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us as Steve and Chris.

1019
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: How are you doing today?

1020
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 6: Done great? Just enjoying the last few days of vacation.

1021
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: I can't believe football season is already here.

1022
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Guys, Yeah, and rookies here in Buffalo report tomorrow. You've

1023
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: been you like us, You're being in Boston with the

1024
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Patriots and being in that city you keep a close

1025
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: eye on the pulse of the AFC East, just like

1026
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: we do here in Buffalo. Is just interested to see

1027
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: you give a rundown. Let you know, let's start with

1028
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: your own Patriots. There a lot of change. You're odd, Mayo,

1029
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: first time in twenty plus years that you've had a

1030
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: new head coach. Give us a quick synopsis of the

1031
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: vibe in New England and what's happening with the Patriots.

1032
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd say it's a much more chilled out vibe

1033
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 6: this year, which is not surprising. I mean, of course,

1034
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 6: going from Bill Belichick to anyone, it's going to be

1035
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 6: more chilled out. But you know, in general, too, one

1036
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 6: of an NFL team fires a coach, they usually hire the opposite,

1037
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 6: So they're going from an older, disciplinarian type of coach,

1038
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 6: a stricter coach, to Drod Mayo, much more of a

1039
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 6: player's coach. Thirty seven year old guy, one of the

1040
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 6: youngest coaches in the NFL, has the credibility of being

1041
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 6: not only a former player, but a recent former player.

1042
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: I believe his last season was twenty fifteen, and then

1043
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 6: Girod has been a coach since twenty nineteen, so he's

1044
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 6: a little green as far as coaching. He's only been

1045
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 6: in coaching for the last five years before getting this

1046
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 6: tremendous opportunity with the Patriots, so that that's gonna be

1047
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 6: his biggest challenge. It's just the newness of everything for him,

1048
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 6: and you've got a first time pretty much a first

1049
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 6: time offensive play caller and Alex Van Pelt I know

1050
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 6: he did it for that one season in Buffalo when

1051
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 6: he got the job. I think the other offensive coordinator

1052
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 6: was fired a week before the season started. Otherwise, he's

1053
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 6: never really been a play caller. The Patriots have a

1054
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator, he's never been a defensive coordinator before, or

1055
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 6: their general manager, Elliott Wolfe, has never been a general

1056
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 6: manager before. So just a lot of people in their

1057
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 6: positions for the first time, and so that will be

1058
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 6: a tricky thing for the Patriots to navigate here in

1059
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: their first season. But a much more laid back, relaxed vibe.

1060
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 6: Belichick has gone and they've rewarded a bunch of players

1061
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 6: with new contracts. I believe ten players who were on

1062
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 6: the team last year have resigned some new deals. Which

1063
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 6: the last several years under Belichick, if you wanted a payday,

1064
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 6: you had to go get it elsewhere. The Patriots very

1065
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 6: rarely spent top top dollars for their own players, so

1066
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 6: that's been also a big difference as well. So certainly

1067
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: a much more positive vibe. But as even as girod

1068
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 6: Meyo would admit, there's zero and zero, let's see what

1069
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 6: happens once the season starts.

1070
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Ben a quick follow up there on the Patriots.

1071
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: You mentioned it, and I think it's key that they

1072
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: retained a lot of free agents that people thought were

1073
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: going to just move to another team, starting of a

1074
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: new chapter there in New England. They bring in all

1075
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: but one of their picks are on the offensive side

1076
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: in the draft, of course, Drake may being the third

1077
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: overall selection. With that combination of the veterans like a

1078
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: Josh Uce, guys that have been there that re signed,

1079
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: is there any like glimmer that this team could actually

1080
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: be maybe not a Super Bowl contender, of course in

1081
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: the load of the AFC, but a little bit better

1082
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: than a club that was just selecting number three overall,

1083
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: because the defense has been pretty good and they do

1084
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: have some young pieces on the offensive side.

1085
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I haven't seen much optimism out there.

1086
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 6: Certainly it's not reflected in Las Vegas, where the Patriots

1087
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 6: are among the favorites for the number one pick, and

1088
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 6: they have among the lowest over under win totals for

1089
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 6: the year. So there's certainly not a whole lot of

1090
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 6: optimism elsewhere. You know, we'll see. I mean, they had

1091
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 6: a pretty good defense last year. I think they ranked

1092
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 6: seventh in total defense, and they.

1093
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: Still went four and thirteen.

1094
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 6: So, you know, a good defense can only carry you

1095
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 6: so far. You're going to need some offense. And today NFL,

1096
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 6: and it's been an interesting offseason for the Patriots. They've

1097
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 6: completely rebuilt the offense. You know, new system. It's gonna

1098
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 6: be this, you know, the West Coast system that Mike

1099
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 6: McCarthy ran in Green Bay for years and kind of

1100
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 6: similar to the Kyle Shanahan system out in San Francisco.

1101
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 6: New quarterback Drake may you know, they signed kJ More,

1102
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 6: new receiver from Minnesota, new zone blocking team, the wide

1103
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 6: zone run. Everything on offense is new, and on defense

1104
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 6: it's the exact same. They're bringing back eleven starters other

1105
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 6: than Belichick, it's you know, him being gone. It's gonna

1106
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 6: be the same. On defense, they only use one draft

1107
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 6: pick on that side of the ball. Everyone's back, and frankly,

1108
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: I think they that's a little risky to me, if

1109
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 6: you're not getting better in the NFL, that the cliches

1110
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 6: are getting worse, and to expect everyone to come back

1111
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 6: a year later and to have another good year to

1112
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 6: carry this team, that might be a little too much

1113
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 6: to ask. So to me, it's a clear rebuilding year,

1114
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 6: it's you know, Drake May, I don't think it's going

1115
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 6: to be the starter week one. I wouldn't rule it out,

1116
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 6: but I would not expect him to be the starter

1117
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 6: early in the season. But this is all about his

1118
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 6: development and hopefully developing one or two new receivers and

1119
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 6: finding some building blocks for the future, especially on offense.

1120
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Very quick follow that just popped into my head, and

1121
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: I think he kind of already answered it. There is

1122
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: there any path for Drake May to beat out Jacoby

1123
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: Brissett week one, Like just in your opinion or people

1124
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: that you've talked to, or like you're saying, do the

1125
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: Patriots kind of understand, Hey, this is a rebuilding year.

1126
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: We're not going to rush him on the field and

1127
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: maybe just let him take older, you know, whether it's

1128
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: Week eight or maybe not even until his second season

1129
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

1130
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's always a path to the

1131
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 6: field when you're the number three pick. Sure, I mean

1132
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 6: they want to play, you know, they don't. They don't

1133
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 6: want to sit you, but they don't want to rush.

1134
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 6: The Patriots don't want to rush Drake May into the lineup,

1135
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 6: and that's why they signed Jacoby Brissett, a steady veteran

1136
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 6: started a lot of games.

1137
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: In this league.

1138
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 6: Alex Van Pelt, the offensive coordinator, loves him. They were

1139
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 6: together in Cleveland in twenty twenty two when Jakoby Brissett

1140
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 6: started eleven games in place of Deshaun Watson during his suspension,

1141
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 6: and it only went four and seven as a starter,

1142
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 6: but him and Van Pelt worked very well that year,

1143
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 6: and so they viewed him as like the perfect veteran

1144
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 6: bridge quarterback mentor. He's been teaching the new offense to

1145
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 6: the Patriots this offseason. So they loved Jakoby Brissett. But

1146
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 6: he is what he is, you know, a bottom tier

1147
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 6: starter or one of the best backups in the league.

1148
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 6: And so if Drake Bay comes out during training camp

1149
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 6: and he's got the offense mastered and he knows the

1150
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 6: protections and how to set his you know, hot routes

1151
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 6: and how to get the Patriots out of trouble, and

1152
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 6: if he comes out there and just athletically he's looking great. Yeah,

1153
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 6: I mean he's gonna play.

1154
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 9: You know.

1155
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 6: We said the same thing about Mac Jones and Cam

1156
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 6: Newton back in twenty twenty one. Cam Newton was supposed

1157
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 6: to be the starter, but Mac outplayed him during camp

1158
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 6: and like, well, why are we waiting?

1159
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: What's the yeah? Go ahead? What's the so?

1160
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 6: I just I think there's always a path for Drake

1161
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 6: may but I think it will take a lot for

1162
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 6: him to be.

1163
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: How much pressures they're going to be? I mean, you know,

1164
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: Patriot fans are they're used to winning, and despite the

1165
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: last couple of years under Bill Belichick, there's there's got

1166
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: to be some sentiments or you know, letting the guy

1167
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: sink or swim. What kind of honeymoon periods are going

1168
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: to be for Gerard Mayo. How he handles this quarterback

1169
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: thing may go a long way to seeing, you know,

1170
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: how tolerable Patriot fans are willing to be. I mean,

1171
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: what are the fans expectations? You know, what's the range? Certainly,

1172
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, you've got those ones that you know, think

1173
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: it's you know, you've got to win, and then there's

1174
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: others that don't kind of understand this is a rebuilding year.

1175
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: What's the expectations and the pressure inside you know, the

1176
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: Patriot fan base to get something done this year.

1177
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 6: I don't think there are many fans who expect the

1178
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 6: Patriots to have an immediate turnaround to think that Drake

1179
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 6: may gonna come out and you know, player like like

1180
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 6: a pro bowler like TJ. Stroud did last year and

1181
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 6: instantly elevate the franchise. I think generally speaking, the fans

1182
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 6: understand it. The talent has dropped off significantly here the

1183
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 6: last few years. This is a big rebuild, and at

1184
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 6: best you're looking at an eight or nine win team

1185
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 6: that can maybe compete for one of the wild you know,

1186
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 6: final wildcard spots. Even then that's probably wishful thinking, given

1187
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 6: you know the scope of of every other team and

1188
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 6: where the Patriots are at with their talent on offense.

1189
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 6: But if I mean if if it's bad, if it's

1190
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 6: a dumpster fire, if Mayo is making just bad coaching mistakes,

1191
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 6: and if the team's not improving, and if they're embarrassing

1192
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 6: themselves every Sunday, then I mean all options are on

1193
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 6: the table. We've seen several one and done coaching situations

1194
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 6: across the league the last several years. Everyone talks about

1195
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 6: the Houston Texans and how that's the new team.

1196
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 4: You want to copy.

1197
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 6: They've built up all their talent and then they added

1198
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 6: the quarterback to it at the end they also had

1199
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 6: two years where they went like seven and twenty six

1200
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 6: and two coaches got fired, one and done, so you

1201
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 6: know that is always on the table in the NFL.

1202
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 6: That said, the Craft do really like Girod Mayo. I

1203
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 6: think they want to give him some leash. They don't

1204
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 6: want to be viewed as a team that's just making

1205
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 6: knee jerk decisions all the time. So I would think

1206
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 6: that Girod Mayo is going to get at least two

1207
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 6: years of runway to really build his program. But there

1208
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 6: is really little patient in today's NFL. So I mean,

1209
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 6: you don't necessarily need to make the playoffs right away,

1210
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 6: but you need to be a good competitive outfit that

1211
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 6: looks like it's headed in the right direction.

1212
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: All right, moving down to the Dolphins, I'm going to

1213
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: be straightforward here, Ben, Where do you come down on

1214
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: the to a tongue of Baila extension? And just from

1215
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: all your sources around the league, are you getting any

1216
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: sense of what matters really more than anyone's opinion, mine, Steve's, yours, anyone's.

1217
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: Where do the Dolphins kind of feel? Have you gotten

1218
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 2: any sense that this is going to break the bank?

1219
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: Are they going to let him play it out. That

1220
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: to me is like the big thing looming over this

1221
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: organization going into the season.

1222
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, to me, it's very telling that the Dolphins haven't

1223
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 6: come to a new contract extension yet with Tua Tango Bailoa.

1224
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the Jared Goff contract messed everything up, because, yeah,

1225
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 6: you know, GoF is a good quarterback, but I don't

1226
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 6: think anyone to use him as truly an elite quarterback.

1227
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 6: And for him to be getting a very strong contract

1228
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 6: fifty three million dollars a year with a lot of

1229
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 6: strong guarantees several years, I think the Dolphins looked at

1230
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 6: that and said, oh, thanks, guys, that you've threw.

1231
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: It for the rest of us.

1232
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 6: And I think the fact that the Dolphins haven't agreed

1233
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 6: yet with Tua, does you they have questions? You know,

1234
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 6: I think clearly they should be. They should have questions

1235
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 6: about Tua's injury history, that the concussions obviously have been

1236
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 6: very scary, and can his body hold up? But then

1237
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 6: you know how much is to a just as system quarterback.

1238
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 6: And he's put up some tremendous numbers. He's a top

1239
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 6: five quarterback in most numbers of the last two years.

1240
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 6: But how much of that is just because of Mike

1241
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 6: McDaniel's offensive system and his great play calling, and the

1242
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 6: fact that you gave him Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle,

1243
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 6: and the fact that come December and January, I think

1244
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 6: Toua's record is like four and ten and they the

1245
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 6: Dolphins in the last two years, have just completely frozen

1246
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 6: in December and January and in the most important games

1247
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 6: and in the coldest games. So I think they have

1248
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 6: real questions about Tuah, and I think, honestly, I think

1249
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 6: they will come to an agreement with him, just because

1250
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 6: you don't want you don't want to go into this

1251
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 6: season with Tua playing for his contract like the Giants

1252
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 6: did with Daniel Jones a couple of years ago, where

1253
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 6: every week becomes a referendum on are they going to

1254
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 6: extend him?

1255
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 3: Are they not?

1256
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 6: It's just too much pressure and you want to you

1257
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 6: want to at least publicly show some outward support to

1258
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 6: as our guy. So I would think they do come

1259
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 6: to a contracting his extension, and there probably will be

1260
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 6: some big numbers, but I think they're gonna give themselves

1261
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 6: a lot of outs and it's not gonna be real

1262
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 6: long term commitment to too. I think the Bill the

1263
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 6: Dolphins still have some questions about him, and they should,

1264
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 6: and I just don't think they view him as someone

1265
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 6: who can elevate the franchise around him.

1266
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: What about the other the rest of the roster. Certainly, offensively,

1267
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: they seem to be in a good spot. You can

1268
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: maybe cast some spursions about their offensive line, although they've

1269
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: worked to do it. But defensively they've had some turnover.

1270
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the rest of their roster?

1271
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 6: That's the big question for the Dolphins. Also their defense.

1272
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 6: You know Vic Fangio, who everyone loves and says is

1273
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 6: one of the best coordinators, the best defensive minds you

1274
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 6: know in NFL history. The players there have been just

1275
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 6: trashing him on the way out. They hated playing for

1276
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 6: him last year apparently because you see all these all

1277
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 6: these social media comments of these guys just ripping on

1278
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 6: big Fangio, who's now the defensive coordinator with the Eagles.

1279
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 6: They brought in Anthony Weaver from Baltimore. Certainly that's a

1280
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 6: team that's always been strong defensively, so you know, he's

1281
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 6: a first time defensive coordinator. He grew up in that

1282
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 6: Raven system. And he's more of a he's a younger,

1283
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 6: more of a players coach. Like I said before, the

1284
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Speaker 6: opposite of Vic Fangio is what Anthony Weaver is now.

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Speaker 6: So the Dolphins they got to get you know, they

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Speaker 6: brought in Kalays Campbell and that I like that move.

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Speaker 6: That's a good veteran leadership move for them. Jordan Poyer,

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Speaker 6: you guys obviously know him very well. We'll see how

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Speaker 6: much he has left in the tank. It seems like

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Speaker 6: this is the last the last year for the Dolphins

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Speaker 6: with his defense. Campbell's older Jalen Ramsey is starting to

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Speaker 6: get older. Jordan Poyer is probably just a one year

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Speaker 6: fill in Ken Kendall Fuller they got from Washington, probably

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Speaker 6: just a one year fill in. So, you know, the

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Speaker 6: Dolphins defensively, that's gonna be We know their offense is

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Speaker 6: gonna put up points. Is you know, can their defense

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Speaker 6: win them some games when they have to? And just

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Speaker 6: in general, can this team get it done in December

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Speaker 6: and January? Their record the first three months of the

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Speaker 6: season's tremendous. They run up a lot of points when

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Speaker 6: the weather's nice, but when the weather gets bad, the

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Speaker 6: Dolphins have really frozen in the.

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Speaker 2: Last couple of year, Ben last one for me, we

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: got to talk about the Jets, and again, another straightforward question,

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01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: what sense do you get? And I don't want to

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01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 2: call anyone a liar, but how much do you think

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01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: it really is a distraction or not a distraction for

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: Robert Salah and his staff, because whenever he comes out

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01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: and talks to the media, says, look like, everything's fine

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Speaker 2: with Aaron. We're fine that he missed mini camp and

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01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: he was in Egypt. It's not a big deal. But

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Speaker 2: the fact that it's seemingly more questions about Aaron Rodgers

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: than what we Steve and I agree, and I think

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Speaker 2: everyone agrees is a really good roster. How much do

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Speaker 2: you think that really does bother maybe just this Jets

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01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: team or in your years of covering a team when

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: you have almost like a larger than life quarterback that's controversial,

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01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: how much does does that and can that distract a

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Speaker 2: team throughout the course of a season.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think Aaron Rodgers continues to give everyone

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01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 6: in that organization reason to roll their eyes. You know,

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 6: he's a guy who talks about we can't have any distractions,

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 6: and he goes on pat McAfee and says whatever, you know, threatens,

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Speaker 6: you know, flirts with being a vice presidential candidate. It's like,

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Speaker 6: you know, he just has a knack for maybe talking

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Speaker 6: out of both sides of his mouth. And he says,

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Speaker 6: and you know, everything from here and now needs to

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01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 6: be focused for a championship. And then he schedules a

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Speaker 6: trip to Egypt during the team's mini camp, and regardless

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Speaker 6: of what the team says about how they're okay with it.

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Speaker 4: They labeled it as an unexcused happened absence.

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Speaker 6: They could have you know, given Aaron Rodgers every chance,

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Speaker 6: you know, and they could have said it was excused

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01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 6: or whatever, but they labeled it unexcused. So I just

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Speaker 6: think they're like, like it like it is Rogers missing

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 6: mini camp going to be the reason they don't make

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Speaker 6: the super Bowl. Probably not, but it's like, really, you're

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 6: supposed to be the leader and you can't just be

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01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 6: here for three more days. You couldn't have scheduled your

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Speaker 6: trip for another time, or we couldn't have talked about

1341
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 6: this and scheduled vity. You know, there's just no communication

1342
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 6: there between the quarterback and the team. And this is

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Speaker 6: not going to be the last time that Rogers is

1344
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 6: gonna see something that makes everyone roll their eyes again.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's just he seems to have a real

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01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 6: pensiant for doing that, and teams are happy to put

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Speaker 6: up with it as long as you're producing and winning.

1348
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Speaker 6: And I think Rogers will come back and still be

1349
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 6: a good player. And I do believe in the Jets

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Speaker 6: this year. But you know, this is just a guy,

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01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 6: you know, Like I said, he just gives you a

1352
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 6: lot of reasons to kind of just roll your eyes

1353
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 6: and be like, really, you're doing this again. So we'll

1354
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 6: see how long how much patience they really have.

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Speaker 1: That really brings you the question, what's your gut tell

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01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: you about Aaron Rodgers, forty year old quarterback coming off

1357
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: an achilles behind an offensive line who's been upgraded but

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: still has both tackles in their mid thirties. It just

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01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: seems like a massive roll of the dice. Certainly, Rogers,

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Speaker 1: there's no way out of it. They got to give

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Speaker 1: him this year after what happened last year. He's got

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01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: to come back and try and make it and perhaps

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01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: he'll be able to make it through. But it is,

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Speaker 1: like I've been saying, it's eleven hundred snaps. He's got

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: to take in live NFL games and come out unscathed

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01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: as a forty year old behind an offensive line with

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Speaker 1: two well just finger quotes elderly tackles. What's your gut

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Speaker 1: tell you about how that ends?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: No, I mean no question that it's a lot of

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Speaker 6: risks that the Jets are occurring. I mean Tyron Smith

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Speaker 6: at left tackle, Morgan Moses at right tackle. Older veteran

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Speaker 6: players who have bounced around, had some injury issues the

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Speaker 6: last couple of years, and we saw it in that

1375
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 6: game in Week one where Dwayne Brown, I don't you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't want to say it was his fault, but

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01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 6: he did kind of miss the block that led to

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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers, you know, the injury. So like you never

1379
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 6: know when one play can can be the difference, you know.

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Speaker 6: I do think Aaron Rodgers. I think quarterbacks are largely

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 6: responsible for the pressure, so I think Aaron Rodgers he

1382
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 6: can create his own protection, and I think the offensive

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01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 6: line will magically be a lot better when Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 6: is back there and not Stack Wilson, who's just kind

1385
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 6: of a sitting duck and doesn't know how to read

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 6: the field. So Rogers I think will be well. Will

1387
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,480
Speaker 6: the line will play better, just because of having experienced

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Speaker 6: Rogers back there. And I'm not I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 6: a medical expert any means, but from everyone I talk

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 6: to and everyone I read, like, you can return from

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 6: an Achilles, especially when mobility isn't the biggest part of

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01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 6: your game. If it was Lamar Jackson coming back from

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 6: an Achilles, that'd be a little more concerned, you know,

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01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 6: about him being the same player. But Rogers wins plays

1395
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 6: with his mind and with his strong arm, and I

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01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 6: think that's he's still going to have that this year.

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01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 6: So he might be a little rusty at first, just

1398
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 6: from you know, having almost two years since he played

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 6: real football, But I think Rogers is still going to

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Speaker 6: be good, and I think the Jets are gonna be competitive,

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Speaker 6: And you know, that first month might be a little

1402
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 6: bit of a mental block, but I think Rogers will,

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 6: We'll get through it, and he may not play like

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 6: the MVP player he was a couple of years ago.

1405
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 6: Especially still think him and Garrett Wilson we're gonna have

1406
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 6: a really good connection this year, and I still like

1407
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 6: the Jets to be very competitive.

1408
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: Well on this day that is the final day of

1409
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: negotiations for franchise players around the National Footballlegue. The deadlines,

1410
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: Like at four o'clock New York time, is there any

1411
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: franchise player? And I know that, you know, Brandon Ayuk's

1412
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: out there and they've been going around. There's there's t

1413
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: Higgins out there, there's some of the guys that have

1414
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: been franchised that prop doesn't look like they're gonna get

1415
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: a deal done. What are your thoughts on that? We

1416
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: kind of take that franchise tag for granted as as

1417
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: we get nearer to training camp, and yet here it

1418
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: is the deadlines. You think anything will come of this

1419
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: on this go round?

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 6: Doesn't It certainly doesn't sound like T Higgins or Brandon Ayuk.

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't get the tag, he got the

1422
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 6: fifth year option. T Higgins, it sounds like for months

1423
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 6: has been resigned to the fact that he's playing under

1424
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,440
Speaker 6: this fifth year option and isn't getting a new contract.

1425
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 6: The Bengals they do business a little bit differently from

1426
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 6: everyone else, and Mike Brown plays hardball and he's like,

1427
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 6: this is the contractor getting and this is what the

1428
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 6: CBA allows us to do, and you're gonna have to

1429
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 6: deal with it, and it sounds like, you know, obviously

1430
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 6: the Bengals, they're already spending big money on Joe Burrow.

1431
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 6: They've got a big contract coming up for Jamar Chase

1432
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 6: in the year or two. So I think they view

1433
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 6: their Super Bowl window is now, and so they wanted

1434
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 6: to keep t Higgins, but they didn't want to spend

1435
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 6: the big contract on him too. And I think t

1436
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 6: Higgins and also Trey Hendrickson, he's a pass rusher for

1437
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 6: the Bengals, he requested a trade and then quietly rescinded

1438
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 6: it because I think the Bengals made it pretty clear

1439
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 6: to both players, you're playing under your contract this year

1440
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 6: and so and you know the Brandon Ayuk thing. It's

1441
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 6: it's very similar to what the Dolphins and Tua are

1442
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 6: going through right now. I think, I you had a

1443
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 6: tremendous gear last year for the Niners, you know, thirteen

1444
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 6: hundred yards, seven touchdowns, much more reliable and steady on

1445
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 6: a play by play basis than Deebo Samuel. But I

1446
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 6: think you know, the fact that they're really struggling to

1447
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 6: come together on a long term extension shows you that

1448
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 6: the Niners have questions. Is he really just a scheme

1449
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 6: receiver and is he a true difference maker? And if

1450
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 6: we put someone else in the spot, would we be

1451
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 6: able to get maybe not the same production, but you know,

1452
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,440
Speaker 6: most of the same production. So I you t Higgins,

1453
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 6: if no deals happening by now, it's probably gonna be

1454
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 6: the you know, until next year before they get their

1455
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 6: long term deals.

1456
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: Ben, thanks so much for spending some time with us.

1457
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: I hope you finished up the rest of your off

1458
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: season a big way.

1459
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 3: Man.

1460
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you in training camp, all right, Thanks Lock,

1461
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: Ben Volan, Boston Globe Senior NFL writer, join us here.

1462
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: We kind of took the spin around the AFC East

1463
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: and he had you know, he kind of sees things

1464
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: the way.

1465
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: We've been good for a long time.

1466
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been really good. And really appreciate his insight

1467
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: on the Patriots and all of that stuff as well.

1468
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break here, come back, take

1469
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: more of your phone calls, and talk more about what

1470
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: you're going to really look forward to in this year's

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Speaker 1: training camp. Steve Tasker, Chris Trapasso. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to One Bill's Live. Welcome back to One

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: Bill's Live. Our thanks again to Ben Vollan, senior NFL

1474
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: writer for the Boston Globe, came in and talked to

1475
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: us about the Afcon. He does see things a lot

1476
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: like we do. Although I liked I loved his insights

1477
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: into the Patriots that you know, they they're kind of

1478
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: in a let's see what we got here kind of

1479
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: mode before they even start to grow.

1480
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: Out of a lot of rookies on the offensive side.

1481
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, they signed a lot of players on their They're

1482
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: bringing back the exact same defense they ended the seasons

1483
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: give you, which is interesting. It'll be fun to see.

1484
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: We're opening up the phones back up now that after

1485
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: we off with benvillein you can call us at eight

1486
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 1: with three zero five fifty or one eighty eight five

1487
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: fifty two five point fifty. What are you looking forward

1488
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: most too or what are you most looking forward to

1489
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: from this year's training camp Over at Saint John Fisher's.

1490
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,520
Speaker 1: The Bills are one day away from their rookies reporting

1491
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. The rookies come out. I remember back in

1492
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: the day, the rookies come out and they start practicing,

1493
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: and you get some of the guys that really practice well.

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Speaker 1: They get out of the gates really fast rookies and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I remember Russell Copeland came in and was just

1496
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: killing it in the rookie training camp when before the

1497
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: veterans showed up and he was loving life. And then yeah, absolutely,

1498
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: Then I remember distinctly, I think, I don't know if

1499
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: I think James Laughton was on the team at that time,

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01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but certainly Andre was. So Andre walks

1501
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: in as as a Hall of Fame type player, and

1502
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: Russell was like, oh, I see yeah. And then you

1503
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: know Nate, you know all these guys, Nate Odoms and

1504
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, the defensive backs and all those guy jokers

1505
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: show up and and he was going against pros who

1506
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: had been pros for a long time.

1507
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: Sudden he was like, okay, I got you.

1508
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's it's a it's an eye opening thing.

1509
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: Although now with the OTAs and the organized team activities

1510
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,480
Speaker 1: in the mini camp, they've kind of seen all these guys.

1511
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: It's a it's a different different world. Although I I'll

1512
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: go back to that point I made in that segment

1513
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 1: right before Benvillin came on. That's one thing that really

1514
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 1: needs to be reworked from top to bottom is the

1515
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: preseason and the run up to the regular season in

1516
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: the NFL.

1517
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: How would you do it where? And I'm just trying

1518
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: to play Devil's advocate here, how would you structure it where?

1519
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 2: I feel like Sean McDermott has said this recently in

1520
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: other coaches that they get concerned about week one, week two,

1521
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: week three, that the football is a little sloppy, that

1522
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 2: it takes them almost a month to get into it.

1523
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: But also by changing training camp and the preseason, Like,

1524
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: what would be part of your plan where you wouldn't

1525
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: necessarily run into sloppy play in week one and week two?

1526
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how you avoid sloppy play. They were

1527
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: sloppy when they were having six preseason games, you know

1528
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:37,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? Plus they were depleted because the injuries.

1529
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: So I'm I don't know how you do it. So

1530
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: it's a difficult.

1531
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: Just more more joint practices, Yeah, it's fewer games, more

1532
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: hands on coaching.

1533
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, maybe that's the Maybe that's the answer. But

1534
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: then you've got to pick what teams are going to

1535
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: practice against which teams you can't. You don't want to

1536
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: practice three days against a team that you're going to

1537
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: see four times three times in the regular season. You

1538
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: know we're in the in the in the season, like

1539
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: you know your their division of it, and you're gonna

1540
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: play them in the wild card like the Bills did

1541
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: two years ago with the Dolphins. Y, you don't want

1542
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: any part of that. So you have to balance that

1543
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,879
Speaker 1: and then you have to and here's the one problem

1544
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: with these joint practice The one problem is tempo. Young

1545
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: players now, certainly when they get into training camp and

1546
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: they start going, you learn the tempo. You don't tackle guys,

1547
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: you don't hit them, you don't hit them high either.

1548
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 1: There's nobody's in pads and to go in and do

1549
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,440
Speaker 1: joint practices, even if they are full fully padded practices,

1550
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 1: nobody's tackling anybody, and nobody's lighting people up. There's nobody

1551
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: to call penalty on it when you're gonna get suspended numb.

1552
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: So it's up to the head coaches and the leadership

1553
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: of each team to like, here's how we're going to

1554
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: do it, and we know they know how to what an

1555
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: NFL practice looks like. None of the young guys do.

1556
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: And it is a pressure packed environment.

1557
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: With the adrenaline young practice, Yes.

1558
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: With the young players practicing and the adrenalines up. That's

1559
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: the only problem with joint practices. Get making sure they're

1560
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: young players on defense. Don't bust up your people who

1561
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: are near and dear to you on your offense or

1562
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: and vice versa. So I really believe the preseason is

1563
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: the last remaining frontier for you know, a modern look

1564
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: at how the game is played now and how players

1565
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: are prepared year round, and to get them run up

1566
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: so that you don't have sloppy played the first month

1567
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: of the season, but you're still physical and.

1568
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: You're still healthy. That's a key that's a key point.

1569
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 2: I think that as we've seen this reduction from six

1570
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: games to four games, not as much tackling, not as

1571
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: long a training camp, I think a key point point

1572
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 2: that the coaches maybe would love to do the two

1573
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: a days and be fully ready, full bore week one

1574
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: at least at this point. I mean, yes, there's a

1575
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: training camp injury here and there, but it used to

1576
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 2: almost be rampant like when you played, and you know,

1577
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: early to mid two thousands, it was you're going to

1578
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: be down two offensive linemen, you're starting corners down. That

1579
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: we don't really see that as much anymore.

1580
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: Right, And that's you can say what you want about

1581
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: what the game looks like out of the.

1582
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 2: Gate, but it's a long season.

1583
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: It's a long season. And I'm and you know, there's

1584
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: always been teams that, you know, like the Bills under

1585
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: McDermott have been notoriously a really fast starting team three

1586
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: and one or just just about the norm out of

1587
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: the gate. You know, they've been good. They've had a

1588
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of talent, they've been players with Josh and that

1589
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of crew, which helps obviously, but they have not

1590
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: struggled with that. Now you can make the case of

1591
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 1: last year for the Jet game, they stumbled, I mean Josh,

1592
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: you know, through the three interceptions and and and had

1593
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: the fumble. So that was Yeah, absolutely, that was a

1594
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: rough start. I don't think that had to do with

1595
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: the practice as much to do with the mentality and

1596
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: the build up to that huge game against Darren Rodgers

1597
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: and the Jets and they're gonna be dead out there. Yeah,

1598
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: I thought that was an emotional spot that you could

1599
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: you could make that case for as being the reason.

1600
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: But I don't know. We'll see, but I'm I'm gonna,

1601
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm not going to die on that hill,

1602
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: but I'm going to plant a flag on it.

1603
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like this is like the next iteration of a task.

1604
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, this is the next tasker plan that's coming in.

1605
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: We we've been taking your tweet sheets. What are you

1606
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: most looking forward to for the Bills training camp over

1607
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: in Saint John Fisher. We've got a tweet sheet coming

1608
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: to your tweet sheet. It's brought to you by Corgan

1609
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,959
Speaker 1: Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo

1610
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: Bills from Connor. Two things. He's looking forward to the

1611
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: competition on the O line. The best case scenario is

1612
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: that Van Praying Granger is a beast and it provides

1613
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: McDermott with options two. Do any of the wide receivers

1614
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: who have been around Buffalo for a while take a

1615
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: significant stride to make the fifty three talking Shavers, Isabella

1616
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: or Shorter. That's a good question. The guys who have

1617
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,480
Speaker 1: been in the building for a minute, those three guys

1618
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: you know, gone through your practice sha Tyrrell, Shavers, Andy

1619
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: Isabella justin Shorter? Are they getting are they going to

1620
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: get better?

1621
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 2: I guess what I want Field, What I would wonder

1622
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 2: with that is to kind of extend that question from

1623
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 2: Army Bills fan on Twitter. Do Tyrrell Shavers, Andy Isabella

1624
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: or Justin Shorter do they start training camp with a

1625
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 2: little bit of a leg up over at Chase Claypool

1626
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,839
Speaker 2: or an MVS or even maybe a Curtis Samuel because

1627
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: they've maybe haven't produced under Josh Allen in the game,

1628
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: but they've caught passes from him, They've gone through, they

1629
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 2: know Joe Brady, they kind of know somewhat of what

1630
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 2: Joe Brady wants to do. I know this is the

1631
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: first year of really the Joe Brady offense. I wonder

1632
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: that if any of those three that have been in

1633
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo at least last year, have, you know, are starting

1634
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: maybe one half step ahead of those new people.

1635
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what the pecking order is or how

1636
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: they distribute the reps between the wide receivers, between guys

1637
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: who have been here and been in the offense and

1638
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: guys they just signed us free agents.

1639
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: Well know how that works.

1640
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I don't know how that works. They've probably

1641
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: been evaluating ongoing lee all the way through mini camps,

1642
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: O t everything in every way, shape or form they can.

1643
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: They evaluate these guys so I'm sure they have an

1644
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: idea of where they're headed there, but we're gonna have

1645
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: to wait and see who lines up when and where

1646
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: in the practices to find out what the pecking order

1647
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: really is. I don't know about the old line. I

1648
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: don't know Van pran Granger, whether he's a bet. You're

1649
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: always better with great players, and Van paran Grainger has

1650
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: a chance to be that guy. I don't know if

1651
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 1: I would rather see Van praan Granger be a beast

1652
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: or one of the tackles be a beast and they

1653
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: have like three or four tackles that are vying for

1654
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: spots rather than down inside. I think we're deep, We're

1655
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: deep enough inside and tackles are harder to find, so

1656
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: I'd rather have him have a tackle emerging.

1657
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: My thought with Van pan Granger is is that if

1658
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: he and this is in this scenario from this tweet

1659
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: that we got to our question about what we're looking

1660
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 2: forward to at training camp, if Van pran Granger he's

1661
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: gonna start with the second team, if he looks really

1662
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: good in one on ones and when the second team

1663
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 2: offensive line is facing the first team d line does

1664
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 2: that and it feels like, you know, everything that you've

1665
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: told me, that that Chris when he's been on that

1666
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 2: Connor McGovern or is moving to center, he's going to

1667
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: be the center.

1668
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: You have.

1669
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: David Edwards, who they brought in last year, was kind

1670
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 2: of that extra offensive lineman, that that sixth offensive linean

1671
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 2: that would come in and was good in that role.

1672
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: He previously in LA out of Wisconsin, was a starting

1673
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 2: left guard early in his career, looked really good, dealt

1674
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: with some injuries, didn't play quite as good afterward. If

1675
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 2: he is the penciled in left guard and he doesn't

1676
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: necessarily play particularly well, then suddenly the Bills could whether

1677
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: they get to October or November, think, man, maybe we

1678
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: have to move Connor McGovern back to left guard, where

1679
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: he was super steady. If Van Pran Granger shows in

1680
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 2: training camp and maybe in the preseason, hey, I might

1681
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: not be again. This has kind of been my joke,

1682
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: like I might not be Jason Kelcey or even Mitch Morse,

1683
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 2: but I can hold my own as a guy coming

1684
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 2: from Georgia that was productive in the SEC. I can

1685
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: be that band aid at center. If you do need

1686
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 2: to move Connor McGovern back.

1687
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: To left, I would I'd like to think too that

1688
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: as good as he has been at the collegiate level,

1689
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: that he's going to get better and better as he's

1690
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: stronger at the level. And we've got a call from

1691
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,520
Speaker 1: Tonjuan to Mike. What's on your mind?

1692
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 10: Hey, how you guys doing these days?

1693
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: Doing good? What's up?

1694
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 10: I was more concerned about is our defense going to

1695
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 10: be able to keep our team in games while our

1696
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 10: offense is trying to figure it out? I don't know,

1697
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 10: you know, I just wanted to hear your opinion on

1698
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 10: that how strong our defense might be or could be.

1699
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this, I don't know that. My

1700
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: anticipation is this. I think it's going to be the

1701
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: opposite of what you're thinking. I think the offense is

1702
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: going to click. I don't think the defense early on,

1703
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: because yeah, I don't think that. I don't think that

1704
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: the offense is going to miss a beat. Yes, Steph

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: Diggs is a great player, but we've got plenty of

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01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: weapons and as good a quarterback as there is in

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01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: the league. Pulling the trigger you've got now, an offensive

1708
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: coordinator has a half a year run up and a

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01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: ramp up to get it get it going. They won.

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01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: They went six and one under his offensive coordinatorship last

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: year when they had to win to get in. They

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01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: had to have every game to get in, and they did.

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01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: They were the number two seed in the conference last

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01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: year at the end of the regular season. So the

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01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: end they've got their offensive line is as good as

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's ever been, even without Mitch Moore. So I

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01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: think offensively they're gonna I think teams are gonna be

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01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: forced to score to keep up with them. This has

1719
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: been Nobody has scored more points in the league and

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01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty than the Bills. They're good and they're

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01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna be good offensively. Defensively, I think is where you're

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01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 1: gonna have to see. Okay, how long is it gonna

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01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: take them to get to get to their best? And

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01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: I said this, I think that is the side of

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: the ball. In that first month of the season, you

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: hope they can kind of hang in there. But I

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01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: think at the end of the season, given what I

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01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: know about Sean McDermott, his ability to get to know

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01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: and use and exploit and develop players, I think this

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: may be his most athletic and most dangerous defense in

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01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: his tenure. At the end of this year, because of

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01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: their athleticism and youth in the back end. That's what

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01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: I think. I think the defense and maybe I'm missing

1734
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: maybe you're right, maybe it was what you were saying.

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01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: I think the defense is gonna have to find itself

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01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: because the offense is going to be I think clicking.

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01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: That's an interesting take because I think a lot of

1738
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: people would maybe have it the other way, like that caller.

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01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: What I find interesting too, that it's almost being under

1740
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 2: sold that we hear so much Joe Brady in his

1741
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 2: first year, what's his offense going to look like? We

1742
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 2: saw how good it was down the stretch all that.

1743
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 2: How about Bobby Babbitts going from developing the safeties to

1744
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: developing the linebackers. How good Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer

1745
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 2: went from being low to mid level free agents to

1746
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: all pros the linebackers milanal Tremaine Edmunds the job of

1747
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: an former undrafted free agent Tyrel Dodson in parlaying a

1748
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: great season in Buffalo to a pretty lucrative deal in

1749
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 2: free agency to now he's a defensive coordinator. What's the

1750
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: defense gonna look like? Sean McDermot did a fantastic job

1751
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 2: taking over for Leslie Fraser last year. I want to

1752
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: see the scheme and all the new pieces and all,

1753
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: like you're saying, Steve, all the athleticism on that side

1754
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: of the ball that's kind of being undersold this year.

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01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, come back to wrap things

1756
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: up right after this. This is Buffalo Bill's Ready. You're

1757
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: listening to One Bill's Live and presented by Colida Help.

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01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:45,520
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back at One Bill's Live.

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01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: Finish things up here today with your tweets about what

1760
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: you're looking forward to most from Bill's training camp this year.

1761
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: Joel says, I'm dying to see what these wide receivers

1762
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: and safeties do in pads. The wide wide receiver room

1763
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: seems like a question mark to me, but with the

1764
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: depth of talent, I'm really excited Go Bills from Brian.

1765
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm interested in the next crop of organic leadership to

1766
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,839
Speaker 1: emerge following the vocal veteran departures of Trey White, Jordan Poyer,

1767
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde, Steph Diggs, Gabe Davis. It's interesting because you

1768
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: know Josh, obviously it's Josh's team. You've got Dion Dawkins,

1769
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 1: You've got some veterans, particularly on that side of the ball.

1770
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: On the other side, you've got Von Miller, You've got

1771
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: Matt Mulano. Who I next time I hear Matt Milano

1772
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: speak will be the first.

1773
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 2: Time I hear it.

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01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: I can't. I couldn't recognize him. I can't reckon, he's

1775
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: been here five years. I couldn't recognize his voice.

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01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 9: That's how quiet the dude is, right, So who could

1777
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 9: be that guy in the Yeah, it's interesting to see

1778
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 9: who is gonna be defensively, could be Bernard, You could

1779
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 9: see that easily, and that makes some sense.

1780
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: At Oliver is a guy who we know and love

1781
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 1: aj Apanessa. Now with an extension, maybe he'll emerge and

1782
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: be more confident in what he's got to say now

1783
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: that he's in his second contract. A lot of stuff

1784
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: going on there with the leadership thing. What are your thoughts?

1785
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even Christian, Benford, Epanessa, Rousseau. None of

1786
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: those guys, at least early in the careers, And maybe

1787
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: it's because there was so much veteran leadership ahead of them.

1788
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: They were not super vocal guys. It would be really

1789
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 2: interesting to see and maybe we start to see it

1790
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: at training camp who could emerge as someone that is

1791
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: going to kind of be able to call out his

1792
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 2: teammates and say we need to do this better or

1793
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: that better. Because I think you don't need to have

1794
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 2: fifteen of those guys on the roster, but I think

1795
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 2: you need probably one or two on each side of

1796
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: the ball.

1797
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: And from seth he says, Coleman is the obvious answer.

1798
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: The kid might be a stud right away wide receiver

1799
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 1: competition in general, but I'm most looking forward to see

1800
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: if Claypool can be a guy. If you can seize

1801
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: the opportunity in front of him, I could see him

1802
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: being Gabe Davis plus. Yeah, the plus means you catch

1803
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: more balls and have a higher catch rate, maybe be physical.

1804
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: Claypool's got some things to prove. I said early on

1805
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the Claypool's training camp isn't really about his physical abilities.

1806
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: It's a personality test.

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, It's we know the talent is there. He

1808
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: had eleven touchdowns as a rookie. He can go up

1809
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 2: and get it. He's a four to four guy at

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01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: six four two thirty. It's really you've kind of messed

1811
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 2: around a little bit. You've squandered some of that athleticism,

1812
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: and god given ability. If you can't do it with

1813
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, then I'm not gonna say he's be totally

1814
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: out of the league, but this might be his last chance.

1815
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 2: So it's definitely more of the mental side than anything else.

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01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: With Chase Claypool. Christopher Proser, Hey, thanks for filling in.

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01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 1: This is you're kind of our you turn into our

1818
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: go to as everybody's out of the building. I appreciate it.

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01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: It's been great.

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01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 2: I love filling in. I think when it comes to

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01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: the studio, this is my most comfortable spot. You know,

1822
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: left tackle, right tackle, on this side of you is

1823
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 2: where I feel the best every show.

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Speaker 1: Brown He's back in the seat Tomorrow. We'll be back

1825
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: more guests, cranking up the windmill for getting ready for

1826
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: the rookies to report. We'll have some stuff about that.

1827
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, Christoph Passo, Steve Tasker, thanks for

1828
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be back at one o'clock tomorrow. Brownie

1829
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: back in the seat. This has been one Bill's live

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Speaker 2: He