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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight fireprim It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 2: Fayer for Thursday, July the twenty fourth. Oh boy, this

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be an exciting week. Camp's open. You

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Speaker 2: got the drama in Cincinnati with Trey Hendrickson in the

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Speaker 2: first round. Back, You've got some drama in Dallas. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm all talked out on the Cowboys. But

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Speaker 2: fortunately one of the gifts that keeps on giving on

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Speaker 2: this podcast over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Former NFL MVP definitely not a fan of my work.

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton is doing his best to get embroiled in

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Speaker 2: controversy in late July. And it's interesting because Cam, you know,

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Speaker 2: has this podcast business, which you know, congrats on that guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's awesome. He make some money. You know,

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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert's TV show just got canceled. He's gonna turn

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Speaker 2: that into a podcast business instead of a two hundred

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Speaker 2: person staff and maybe get a dozen people, and he's

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Speaker 2: And I hope Cam's doing well. You know, it's better

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Speaker 2: than him like hosting these football camps and getting in

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Speaker 2: fights with campers. Remember remember that from like two two

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Speaker 2: years ago, three years ago. But now what he's doing

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Speaker 2: is trying to pick fights with media members because Cam

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Speaker 2: knows the secret sauce. If you talk about the media,

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Speaker 2: the media talks about you. This is a tried and

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Speaker 2: true old school that still works. Way back when at

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Speaker 2: the Big Lead it was very easy, Hey, hey, can

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Speaker 2: you believe this guy said this? And then you tear

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Speaker 2: them to shreds, rip apart their take, and they pay

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Speaker 2: attention because you're talking about them. If you're talking about

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Speaker 2: actual athletes, they're less likely to care. But but Kevin

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Speaker 2: Durant has certainly cared at times. He's got rabbit ears

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Speaker 2: and he likes to get in the ring and spar

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Speaker 2: with anybody. Jabroni's included myself. So this week I guess

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton took shots at Jalen Hurts, you know, saying

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Speaker 2: he's not a top ten quarterback. I went off on

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Speaker 2: Cam and that a couple guys at ESPN did, Ryan

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Speaker 2: Clark and Dan Orlovsky. And instead of taking apart what

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Speaker 2: they said, and you know you've lost the argument when

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Speaker 2: you make it personal, Cam went after Ryan Clark and

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Speaker 2: Dan Orlofsky as football players. Well, Ryan Clark, you were

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Speaker 2: second team All SEC. I can't relate to that you

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Speaker 2: were undrafted. How can I relate to that I was

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Speaker 2: a number one pick? I was SEC Player of the

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Speaker 2: Year or whatever it was. But when he was dominant

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Speaker 2: at Albert, and you know you've lost a debate when

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Speaker 2: you have to say, oh, well, who cares what you

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Speaker 2: have to say, Dan Rolofski, you ran out of the

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Speaker 2: end zone. You weren't even a real NFL quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing and Rob can probably fact check this. I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing dani ro Loskiy had less than fifty touchdown passes

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Speaker 2: in his career, maybe less than fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 2: So that's Cam's way of saying, what do you know

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Speaker 2: about football? And I forget who it was, but somebody

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Speaker 2: and the guys that, well, you never played, what.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, you know, I never fought in World

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Speaker 2: I can tell you everything that happened. Because you know,

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Speaker 2: there's this thing called history in history books and literature

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Speaker 2: to speed. Anybody can look at the advanced stats. If

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Speaker 2: you guys, you guys a listeners, say, oh, well Cam

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Speaker 2: Newton was a great football player, Hall of Famer Jmack.

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Speaker 2: He never played high school football. What does this guy known?

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Speaker 2: And you want to tune me out because of that?

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Speaker 2: That's fine. I get that you want to rock with

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Speaker 2: Cam and his NFL pedigree. I mean, the guy never

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Speaker 2: had back to back winning seasons as a quarterback. Oh, Jake,

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Speaker 2: quarterback wins don't mean anything. Okay, Fine, Well he won

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Speaker 2: I know he was an amazing, incredible college football player

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Speaker 2: You know, that's fine. You could do that and your

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Speaker 2: audience will rock with you. And trust me, there are

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton fan boys dating back to his early days.

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Speaker 2: I still remember Cam's first game with the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: It was against the Arizona Cardinals and he put up

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Speaker 2: ridiculous numbers. You could just see like, oh, I love

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Speaker 2: this guy. He hit the dab, he was doing Superman celebrations.

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Speaker 2: I was a Cam Newton fan as a young guy

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Speaker 2: watching him perform. Well, but now we're, you know, deep

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Speaker 2: into the Internet age. There's this thing called chat GPT.

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Speaker 2: They're the research is out there, guys, you can do it.

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton was not an amazing quarterback as an NFL player.

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Speaker 2: He had high, super high moments, but his lows were like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: where's the where's the completion percentage? And oh yeah, he

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Speaker 2: was a good running quarterback. But maybe that's why his

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Speaker 2: career didn't go into his deep thirties because he took

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Speaker 2: I don't know what if he jumps on a fumble

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Speaker 2: on Cam. He ain't gonna make the Hall of Fame guys.

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Speaker 2: And if Cam's argument is, well, why should I listen

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Speaker 2: announcers who aren't in the Hall of Fame because you

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Speaker 2: know what, these were not amazing. I'm sorry, guy who

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Speaker 2: You didn't play in the NFL. We gotta get somebody

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Speaker 2: I will say this, obviously, I'm not like picking a

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Speaker 2: And Rob knows this. I've told Rob before. But a

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Speaker 2: Cam is a big dude. He's six five, two fifty

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not attacking his character. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying he's a bad human being. Obviously, he was a

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Speaker 2: he was the MVP. But when I first said that

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott has had a better career than Cam Newton, man,

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Dak's your guy. Cam is your guy. But

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you Dak had a better career than

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. And for Cam to not put Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: is about his standing. This is very Charles Barkley ish. Again,

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Speaker 2: Charles Barkley would take massive dumps on the modern era,

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be bonkers. It was the snows Fest nobody's

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Speaker 2: of rambling now, Rob, but it's just disappointing to you know, again,

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Speaker 2: People are afraid to hear the truth that what their

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Speaker 2: It's just disappointed, Like, oh, Danie Rolotsky, your your opinion

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter, Rob. Do you remember when you pitch me

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Speaker 2: Dani Rolofski to come on the radio show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like dan Orlovski, really, you're

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I think he did one segment

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Speaker 2: dismiss Daneroloski because he doesn't have a great career. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's asinin. And he just got to go through

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Speaker 3: the list of great coaches like Bill Belichick did not

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Speaker 3: play in the NFL, Phil Jackson was a bit player

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Speaker 3: in the NBA. Like that, Like, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: worry about that kind of stuff. Some of the best analysts,

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Speaker 3: if you want to stay coaches, the best analysts in

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Speaker 3: all of sports were not great players right Like, for

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Speaker 3: my money, the best guy out right now is Tim Legler.

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Speaker 3: Tim Legler was an okay NBA player. I think he

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Speaker 3: in his air, no, he wasn't. He's just he was

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Speaker 3: a solid guy. But it was a high level contributor.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of communicating the game and dissecting the game,

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Speaker 3: there are a few guys that are out there better

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Speaker 3: this Cam Newton situation goes the running quote that everybody's

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Speaker 3: common thing I've heard this past week is Cam, You're

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Speaker 3: just mad that Jalen Hurts has what you don't. Should

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Speaker 2: I just looked this up. I will give you three guesses.

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Speaker 2: Cam completed fifty nine percent in seven playoff games. Now, obviously,

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Speaker 2: so he fenser special team.

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Speaker 3: I don't want get bogged down. I think it's get

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Speaker 3: to I'll just put it to it simply like this.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady is viewed as the greatest of all time,

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Speaker 3: not because of the way he throws the football, not

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Speaker 3: because of his stats, not because of his quarterback rating.

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Speaker 3: It's because he wins games. Yeah, so then why is

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Speaker 3: it that the greatest of all time Tom Brady is

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Speaker 3: only the greatest because he wins? But wins are not

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Speaker 3: a quarterback stat. Well, he wins super bowls too, But

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. Like it's I feel like, if

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Speaker 3: we're gonna say who's the best quarterback we've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: it's like, well, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, you know some

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Speaker 3: people said Dan Marino, like just the way they play

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Speaker 3: at the position, but they didn't win at the level

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Speaker 3: that Tom Brady is. So they mentioned in that conversation

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Speaker 3: that's just like Pet Peeve, Trent.

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Speaker 2: Dilfer and I know he's more of a bus driver

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Speaker 2: five and one in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Jake Dellome that Jake delow Man legend.

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Speaker 2: Five and three in the playoffs, Mark Brunell five and five,

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Speaker 2: Matt has Back five and six, Rivers five and seven.

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Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez has more career playoff wins than Cam Newton.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the Sanchiz.

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Speaker 2: Two of those were in they were all in back

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Speaker 2: to back years where they went to the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: Poys Big Dick, Nick Foles four and two in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: Garoppolo four and two, Purty four and two again. Cam

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Speaker 2: Newton has three playoff wins. Here's who he's tied with.

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Speaker 2: Some of these guys are so old, I'm not even

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Speaker 2: gonna mention their names. Boomerisias and three. Jay Schroeder probably

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Speaker 2: before you were born, Rob Tony Easton of the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: Mike tom Zach three playoff wins is like, that's nothing

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Speaker 2: special at all, that's three more than just Hurberts, Dan Fouts,

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Speaker 2: well again, just Neil O'Donnell, Kerry I mean again.

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Speaker 1: Carrie Collins.

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Speaker 3: He has as many as Kerry Collins.

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Speaker 2: Collins had one with the Panthers, two with the Giants,

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Speaker 2: zero oh and one with the title.

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Speaker 3: KFC carry fucking Collins has as many playoffs wins as

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Speaker 3: Cam Newton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Lamar has three? Did I say Lamar

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Speaker 2: has more? I'm sorry Lamar's at three, but Lamar will

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Speaker 2: obviously pass him. I just again, you have three playoff

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Speaker 2: wins and you're out here, chirpin.

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Speaker 2: We could wrap up with this. We don't even need

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Speaker 2: to go along. I don't love this topic, but Jeff Tigue,

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Speaker 2: who low key, has one of the best NBA podcasts

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Speaker 2: out there. It's mostly because he has free reign to

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Speaker 2: say everything that's inappropriate under the sun, and there's no

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Speaker 2: penalties to be paid. I can't just sit out here

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Speaker 2: saying stuff that I you know, that's inappropriate and out

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Speaker 2: of pocket because I'll, you know, lose my job. Jeff

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Speaker 2: Tigue has nobody to answer to, so he's just saying

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Speaker 2: whatever pops off. So of course Jeff Tigue has this

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Speaker 2: long leash to say whatever the hell he wants. And

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Speaker 2: then he comes out and was like, oh, yeah, Lebron

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Speaker 2: was doing steroids within what rob two hours three from

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Speaker 2: like we can't did it? And so I was joking.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's not the first athlete to mention this.

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Speaker 2: I just hate it as a topic because it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what evidence do you have, Well, well, they were on

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Speaker 2: the same team, okay, and is that what else you got?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just disappointing that people keep doing. I

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Speaker 2: think it's like an easy thing to just say flippantly.

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Speaker 2: And if Lebron were re litigious, like say, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: an elected official, maybe he would just sue Jeff t

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Speaker 2: and say, hey, you've got to prove that in court

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Speaker 2: because this is damaging my reputation. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't appreciate that now Lebron won't do that,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I know the process of well was he

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Speaker 2: using steroids? Sure, okay, you can go back probably ten

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Speaker 2: years ago with the heat. Sure, go back, let me

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Speaker 2: see what you can find out, you know, and we

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Speaker 2: could dig. You can dig as deep as you want.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Lebron's perfect. All I know is this

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Speaker 2: Rob Lebron's been on the spotlight since like junior year

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Speaker 2: of high school, where he was on the cover of

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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. To the best of my knowledge, and again,

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Speaker 2: I know people, I trust me. People always say, oh

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Speaker 2: Lebron man, that guys, he's got so much stuff going

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Speaker 2: on in different cities. To the best of my knowledge,

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Speaker 2: he's been a family man. He has not been in

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Speaker 2: trouble with the law. He's not gone sideways like I

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Speaker 2: don't know fifty percent of child prodigies.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Lebron was doing steroids. I mean we've

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Speaker 2: seen his I mean his body at like twenty two,

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Speaker 2: he was chiseled and then he just you know, as

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Speaker 2: you get older, hell, hello, news flash, you get older,

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Speaker 2: you gain weight and get stronger. I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: very dubious that Lebron was doing steroids, you know, again,

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Speaker 2: other stuff like creatine that works. I'm not gonna lie,

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Speaker 2: I'm and again I'm no Lebron a couple of cycles,

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Speaker 2: but when you do creatine, the impact is pretty quick

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Speaker 2: and I have people asking me all the time, dude,

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Speaker 2: what are you on? Come on, hgh, it has to

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Speaker 2: be I'm like no, And obviously I have dark skin

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Speaker 2: so that kind of impacts things. But yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe Rob has a better take. I just

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Speaker 2: don't see Lebron sitting there juicing up using roids, knowing

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Speaker 2: that that stuff can have an adverse effect on your body.

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Speaker 2: And sure there are positives, but there are a slew

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Speaker 2: of negatives. I can't imagine that Lebron would be taking

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Speaker 2: that risk based on everything I've read and heard about him.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just my takeaway.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. After Lance Armstrong, nothing would surprise

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Speaker 3: me anymore. Like I don't think he did, but if

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Speaker 3: I found out later that he did, I would not

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Speaker 3: be shocked by it. Because we had a guy who

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Speaker 3: on the Tour de France with cancer and one destical

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Speaker 3: and was like his entire brand was how you can

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Speaker 3: persevere through anything, and this whole time we found out

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Speaker 3: he was using the Royds. So like, after that, nothing

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Speaker 3: would surprise me. Also, if you want to dive. There

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Speaker 3: have been numerous links between Lebron, James, and Balco. ESPN

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Speaker 3: reported that one the UFC fighter kl Sonin has gone

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Speaker 3: on record saying he's that Lebron's on steroids, and Jeff

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Speaker 3: Tigue during his initial podcast, went into great detail. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you remember he left for a week and then he

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Speaker 3: came back, you know, during the crackdown and came back

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Speaker 3: real skinny, and all of a sudden he finished out

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Speaker 3: the rest of the year and it was just real,

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Speaker 3: you know, he was on each like, it was very specific.

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Speaker 3: The details that he gave did not seem like I'm

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Speaker 3: just joking around type of thing right.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Again, even with all that circumstantial eleven is, nothing has

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Speaker 3: ever stuck to him. So I would tend to believe

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Speaker 3: that Lebron did not take steroids. I would tend to

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Speaker 3: believe that he may have done something like you know,

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Speaker 3: he may be because he has so much money and

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Speaker 3: so much access. He is at the forefront of a

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Speaker 3: lot of medical advances, similar to the way Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 3: was during his heyday. I believe he was the first

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Speaker 3: like recognized able American athlete who was getting blood spinning done.

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Speaker 3: If you remember back in the day, he was flying

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Speaker 3: to Germany on his own time to get the blood

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Speaker 3: spun and that's put tops of recovery and now it's

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Speaker 3: more common, but at the time that was like a

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Speaker 3: revolutionary idea. So I believe that maybe Lebron does know

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Speaker 3: things or you know, supplements that would help him in

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Speaker 3: a way that we just don't know about. Having said

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Speaker 3: all of that, what I think the lesson here to

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Speaker 3: be had for anybody who's listening to this podcast or

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Speaker 3: wants to have their own podcast. You have a lot

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Speaker 3: of aspiring reporters and opinionists who listens to this show.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Te learned the hard way that just because you

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Speaker 3: have a podcast doesn't give you the right to just

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Speaker 3: say anything. That sometimes having a opinion on something can

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Speaker 3: have legitimate, real world consequences. Because if you go on

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Speaker 3: record and say, hey, I don't think Lebron James is

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Speaker 3: a good player, I don't think Lebron's a top ten guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's in the goat conversation. That's an opinion.

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Speaker 3: Say whatever the hell you want, no matter how crazy

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Speaker 3: it might sound. But if you come out and say

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Speaker 3: on Wax that, yeah, you know Lebron was on steroids

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Speaker 3: back in Miami, Like, come on, bro, we know he was,

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Speaker 3: and you say that and you can't prove it. Not

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Speaker 3: only do you lead yourself, oh, but the litigation number

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Speaker 3: one number two, you can be out of a job quickly.

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Speaker 3: Like now, obviously this is not gonna happen to Jeft

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Speaker 3: because he says, hey, I was just playing around and

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Speaker 3: he has a good thing going there with the I

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Speaker 3: think it's with the volume. So they're not gonna worry about.

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Speaker 3: This is all gonna blow over by the time this

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Speaker 3: podcast drops on Thursday morning whenever you listen to it.

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Speaker 3: But let this be a lesson to you, Like, I

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Speaker 3: know you feel good with the microphone in front of

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Speaker 3: your face, but you can't just pop off about anything

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Speaker 3: and anybody anytime you want to. It doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta be careful, you know, or you Rob

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Speaker 2: has to be careful. Rob.

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Speaker 1: Have you've been sued?

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Speaker 3: No, they were actually yes, small claims, but nothing like boh.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh I think you told me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have not. People have threatened, but they hasn't happened.

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Speaker 3: A lot of tough.

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Speaker 2: Talkers out there about sue your ass. Okay, you know

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Speaker 2: what litigation is like, right, It's not fun. Yeah, lawyer

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Speaker 2: up a lot of work. I don't think Jef t

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Speaker 2: Ones that smoked. Hence the quick apology. All right, we

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Speaker 2: are back tomorrow. I don't know I saw these Tua comments.

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Speaker 2: We may talk about those. Tua and Tyreek Hill. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like Tyreek Hill is like not liked in that

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Speaker 2: Miami locker room. Avoid him in fantasy. Anyways, back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: See that