1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: Blue Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Brothers at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: everything cannabis. Take a hit, get lit, and sit back 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: and enjoy Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue Joe Grande, 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Martin Craig Wasserman, the Pop Brothers in Law. Here on 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: a beautiful day, a beautiful day, and it's me Mark Wasserman, 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: the wasp little brother of the Pop Brothers at Law, 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: holding it down again. And I'm gonna do a show 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: today about the history of cannabis in California, and we'll 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: touch on other parts of the United States as cannabis 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: made its way from well initially being legal, two illegal, 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: to criminalize, fully criminalized, to decriminalized two partially legalized. You know, 14 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: there was a headline in two thousand and eighteen that 15 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: came out that said, on January one, eighteen, cannabis became 16 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: legal for recreational use in the state of California. Bullshit. 17 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: I called bullshit, then I call bullshit now. It is 18 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: not legal. It has never been legal. That is a 19 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: big misnomer. It's just the irresponsibility of the media over 20 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: the years of plastering out legalization. It's legal in California. No, 21 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: it's not. What if it's legal, why are people still 22 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: getting arrested? Huh? Tell me that if it's legal, why 23 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: are people getting arrested? No, because it's partial legalization. And 24 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: that holds true not only for California, but the entire 25 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: United States. In all these states where they've passed medicinal 26 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: laws or adult use laws, they have not passed it 27 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: all the way. It is partial legalization. Remember, there's limits, 28 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, Like in California, you can possess up to 29 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: announce as an adult. Now, if you have a physician's 30 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: recommendation for medicinal purposes, you can have up to eight ounces. 31 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: But there's limits to all of it. There's limits and 32 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: laws and rules as to how much you have. Not 33 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: like you know, cigarettes. You know, you can go by 34 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: five hundred boxes of cigarettes and to throw them in 35 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: the trunk of your car. You ain't breaking any laws. 36 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: You can have ten cases of Jack Daniels or Belvedere 37 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: vodka and you're not breaking any laws. But goddamn, have 38 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: three four ounces of pot in your trunk. Oh, you're 39 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: a goddamn criminal. So it's uh, it's horrible the way 40 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: that people are get confused, the way that people get 41 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: confused because of headlines, because of stories, and because the 42 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: lack of information that people seek. The information is out there, 43 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: I mean, just got to google it. Google the laws 44 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: in your state, Google the marijuana laws Normal n O 45 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: r m L dot org, the National Organization for Reform 46 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: of Marijuana Laws has been around for what I believe 47 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: fifty years now. And you want to know what's going 48 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: on in your state about marijuana cannabis laws, you go 49 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: to NORMAL and it has a list state by state, 50 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: will tell you what the the laws are, the misdemeanors, 51 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the felonies, if it's infraction, and if it's decriminalized. It 52 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: will give you all the information you need to know 53 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: in your state. And it's very important if you are 54 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: a cannabis user that you know the laws in and 55 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: around where you live and where you're traveling. So let's 56 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: get into some background of the history of cannabis. And 57 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, in these articles I find they always refer 58 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: to it as marijuana. And I did a show just 59 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago about words and the importance 60 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: of words, and and how when they criminalized it, they 61 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: used different words other than cannabis to relate it with 62 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: minorities and hippies and uh jazz music and all sorts 63 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: of other things. So I do my best to replace 64 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: the word marijuana with cannabis when I see it in 65 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: these articles. But very few people know the history of 66 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: cannabis in California and that it actually pre dates its 67 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: admission into the Union, which took place on September nine, 68 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty. Now, cannabis was cultivated for rope and fiber 69 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: as early as seventeen here in the Golden State of California, 70 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and most historians believe that cultivation began at a mission 71 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: in San Jose. Imagine that started in a mission. They 72 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: started cultivating in a mission. Well. By eighteen ten, the 73 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: state was producing an enormous amount of hemp two hundred 74 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand pounds, but a Mexican rebellion against the 75 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: Spanish crown resulted in subsidies. Excuse me, I'm talking like 76 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: my brother stities in some subsidies for the crop getting cut, 77 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: and by eight forty one, practically all California hemp farms 78 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: were abandoned fast forward to the end of the nineteenth 79 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: century and you've got the Armenian, Turk and Arab immigrants 80 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: starting to grow psychoactive cannabis for local consumption. Immigrants and 81 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: their use of cannabis do mostly to refor madness. Government 82 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: propaganda resulted in severe restrict fictions California. California initially refused 83 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: to follow that trend, but eventually the state fell in line. 84 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: Seems that the Golden State wasn't always such a maverick 85 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: and a leader in the cannabis space. So let's look 86 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: at cannabis criminalization in California from nineteen thirteen two nineteen 87 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: seventy five. Now, in nineteen o seven, California passed the 88 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Poison and Pharmacy Act. Yet the Poison and Pharmacy Act 89 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: basically calling cannabis poison, not basically calling it poison. This 90 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: band sale of cocaine, morphine, and opium without a prescription, 91 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: and cannabis was included in this list. It was actually 92 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: included six years later, so in nineteen teen it was 93 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: added to the Poison and Pharmacy Act in California. As 94 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: a result, California was one of the first states to 95 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: prohibit cannabis Massachusetts was the first to ban the sale 96 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: without a prescription in nineteen eleven. Now the law started 97 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: to become stricter towards cannabis users as anti cannabis hysteria 98 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: slowly reached fever. Pitch in possession was punishable by up 99 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: to six years in prison. Wow, six years in prison 100 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: for possession of a little bit of cannabis. Let's think 101 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: about that right now. In Texas, if you have some cannabis, 102 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: it's a felony. You can go to jail for just 103 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: about that time, even longer. We've heard horrific stories about that. 104 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: So by the end of the decade, a second effect 105 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: was punishable by a maximum ten years. So you pick 106 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: up your first at six years, you pick up your second, 107 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: it's ten. So somebody back, have a joint, get picked 108 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: up and go to prison, prison, not counting jail, prison 109 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: for six years, get out, smoke another joint and then 110 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: go to jail for ten years on top of that. 111 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Just you know, you don't forgive me, but I need 112 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: to light up a joint right now because I'm in 113 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: my garage. I'm not in the studio and all this 114 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: talk about cannabis. Oh, it's frustrating, alright, frustrating, sad, and 115 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a few hits. And now we get 116 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: to nineteen nineteen thirty two, where approximately sixty of all 117 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: narcotics arrest involved cannabis. Whole league Jesus, more than half 118 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: of all narcotics. Right. That means they cared more about 119 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: the cannabis than the cocaine and meth and the just 120 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: the heroin. As such, In nineteen thirty seven, the Marajuana 121 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: Tax Act, which made cannabis federally illegal, was put into play, 122 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: but it didn't have much of an effect in California 123 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: since the state was already hell bent on punishing users. Yeah, 124 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: California back then in the nineteen thirties was not progressive, 125 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: especially with cannabis, and they were punishing people left and right, 126 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: with cultivators, users, and sellers, taking them all and putting 127 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: them in jail. In nineteen fifty four, possession of cannabis 128 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: could result in a one to ten year prison sentence. 129 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: Selling was punishable by up to fifty years in prison, 130 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: with a minimum of three years before you were even 131 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: eligible for parole. A third offense a third offense for 132 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: the sale or possession of cannabis resulted in life in prison. 133 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: Let me say that again. A third offense for the 134 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: possession of sale of cannabis resulted in life in prison. Boy, 135 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,599 Speaker 1: we're we're can't think of his name off top of 136 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: my head, but we got a gentleman who was just 137 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: released I think after thirty or forty years or something 138 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: like that, the person being held the longest. He was 139 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: recently released in uh. I believe our Cannabis Talk one 140 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: oh one producer team is going to get him on 141 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: the air, so we'll be talking to him. But that's 142 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,479 Speaker 1: just one of many many lives that were ruined, destroyed 143 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: because of these ridiculous laws that were put in place 144 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: for cannabis. Now, fortunately there were some brave men and 145 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: women who refused, outright refused to allow cannabis to die. 146 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: In California, the hippie and the beatneck cultures experiment with 147 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: the drug. Excuse me, experimented with cannabis. You know, we 148 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: we don't want to lump it in with other drugs. 149 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, it is a medicine. And this led to 150 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: an increased interest in its use. So in nineteen sixty four, 151 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: the attorney for Lowell in JAMII, A man arrested for 152 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: a cannabis crime established what we called the Limar l 153 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: E m a R Legalize Marijuana. It was the first 154 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: marijuana legalization group to be formed in the United States. 155 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: And soon after, The Saturday Evening Post wrote a piece 156 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: describing how almost half of the state's population tried cannabis. 157 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: So people were using it. It was criminalized, but people 158 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: were still using it. You couldn't stop it then, although 159 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: they were putting a lot of people in jail when 160 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: they got caught. Now around this point and in nineteen 161 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: seventy two, the state became the first to try and 162 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: independently legalize the herb with Proposition nineteen Now sadly Proposition 163 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six and a half percent of the residents 164 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: voted down the measure, but it was still the start 165 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: of a crucial movement. It has to start somewhere, and 166 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: it started. And look, sixty six and a half percent 167 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: shot it down. What that leaves thirty four per cent 168 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: that were for it, and the numbers were going to 169 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: continually rise. Now, different areas of the state began to act, 170 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: and in nineteen seventy three, the Berkeley Marijuana Initiative, which 171 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: forbid officers for making cannabis related arrests unless as it 172 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: was approved by the city council. So you have some 173 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: cities like Berkeley, which has always been progressive, starting to 174 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: step up. And you know, that's how it starts. You 175 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: have you have all the states in the Union, in 176 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: the United States, and then you hear you have California 177 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: trying to bust through. But even then it was met 178 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: with resistance from a majority of the people in California. 179 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: So you break it down, you have the cities, the localities, 180 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: and we you know, we say that now to this day, 181 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: you've heard her say it before. When you're trying to 182 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: make change and effectuate change, it starts at the local level. 183 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 1: You've got to get into those city council meetings. So 184 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: those county border supervisor meetings, if you care, go run 185 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: for city council, Go run for a county board position. 186 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: Go in there and start to help make change at 187 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: the local level, because it starts their grassroots and then 188 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: sprouts and grows and you water it and you get 189 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: more people involved in other cities, and then soon it 190 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: consumes and takes over the state, and soon it consumes 191 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: and take over the country, and you know, I get 192 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: a little ahead of myself. But that's how it works, 193 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: that's how the will of the people will finally push through. 194 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: And you know, we're here in three and it has 195 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: already started. It went from complete and utter legalization to 196 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: people starting to act in the face of it, and 197 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: people who aren't afraid to get arrested and go to jail. 198 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Civil disobedience. You know, a farmer says, you know what, 199 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: screw these laws. I don't believe it. I'm gonna cultivate. 200 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm not hurting anybody, I'm not being violent, I'm not 201 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: doing anything else. But I'm gonna cultivate. And you want 202 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: to come get me, well, I'm gonna be a martyr 203 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: and you can come get me, arrest me, shackle me up, 204 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: and throw me in. But I believe in this plant. 205 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: And it's it's those people, those high years, not only 206 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: back then, but as we went forward, those people, those 207 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: growers and cultivators. It all starts with the cultivators. Man, 208 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: no cultivators, no cannabis period. And a lot of them 209 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: are up in the hills and in the mountains, said 210 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: to come out and i'd under rocks and making the 211 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: little good dank stuff giving us that good cannabis. So 212 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I want to command those you know what would what 213 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: would have been considered outlaws and even uh you know, 214 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: to this day in some areas their break having to 215 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: break the laws because of the ridiculous nature of how 216 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: the government tries to control this beautiful plant Canada. When 217 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna get into seventy five to 218 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: nineteen in California and the progression of cannabis. What's Cannabis 219 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: Talk one on one. We'll be right back after the place. 220 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. You know 221 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: it's Mark and Craig Pop Brothers, that law, Blue and 222 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: Joe Grande, although it's just me Mark the loss little 223 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: brother of the Pop Brothers, a law holding it down. 224 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: As we get through another show where we have to 225 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: talk about how cannabis was a crime and still is 226 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: a crime. All over the country and most of the world. 227 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: It is still some type of crime, you know, whether 228 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: it's still an infraction or a misdemean or a felonist 229 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: or a conspiracy to commit the misdemeanor, which is a 230 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: felon still a crime, and the crime. The laws started 231 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: to take more change and we at least started to 232 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: enter the road of decriminalization, not legalization. There is a 233 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: big difference, right, decriminalism nation. You can take it from 234 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: a felony to a misdemeanor, to intraction to no crime, 235 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: decriminalize it versus legalize, which it is not, Which is 236 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: the word that's used all over the place wrongly. It's 237 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: not legal anywhere because you can still get arrested for 238 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: it if you don't fit within the parameters, within the guidelines, 239 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: within the rules, within the laws that create the limits. 240 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: All right, So we left off here, we got decriminalization 241 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: in the road to legal medicinal cannabis in California. We're 242 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: gonna cover nineteen seventy five to nineteen nineties six. Now 243 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: we talked about where we left off in nineteen seventy three, 244 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: the Berkeley Marijuana Initiative. Now that's remember that they called 245 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: it the Berkeley Marijuana Initiative. Remember that if the Berkeley 246 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: and Initiative was a major development, then the Mosconi Act 247 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy five was positively seismic huge By that 248 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: year an estimated of cannabis arrest in California. We're for possession, 249 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: for possession not sales, not cultivation. Not Let's go after 250 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: the people who are making it. Let's go after the 251 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: people who are dealing it. No, let's go after the 252 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: end user, who who met who were using it medicinally ridiculous, ridiculous. 253 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: In George Musconi, the mayor of San Francisco, introduced Senate 254 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: bill which later became known as the Musconi Act, and 255 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: it ensured that possession of one ounce or less could 256 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: only be classified as a misdemeanor with no jail time 257 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: and all fine. So we're seeing progress. We're seeing progress. No, 258 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: gone are the days of six years in jail for 259 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: just a little bit of cannabis and ten years for 260 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: a second offense. At least Mosconi said, hey, this isn't right. 261 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: They didn't go all the way, but baby steps progress. 262 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: That's where it starts. Possession of an ounce or less 263 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: is only a misdemeanor, no jail time fine. Now, in nine, 264 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: the Berkeley Marijuana Initiative, Part two ensured that cannabis offenses. 265 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Cannabis offenses such as possession, transportation, sale, and cultivation of 266 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: cannabis became the lowest priority for police officers. Now by 267 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: the late eighties, it became obvious that further research into 268 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: the therapeutic effects of cannabis was necessary, and a judge 269 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: rule old that the d e A was hindering cannabis research. Now, 270 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: this is in nineteen seventy nine, and from what I'm 271 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: talking about here and from what you're hearing, boy, it 272 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: sure sounds like that very soon it's all gonna be good. 273 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean, in nineteen seventy nine, they're they're telling the 274 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: police to kick back and stop and and don't bother 275 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: these low level crimes of cannabis, and it needs more research. 276 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: They started being vocal about it nineteen seventy nine. The 277 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: fuck we're like thirty thirty forty years later, all right, 278 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: we'll get into that later. Now. The movement to legalize 279 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: medicinal cannabis originated from San Francisco in the early nineteen nineties. 280 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: So from seventy nine, from nineteen seventy nine when they 281 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: were talking about let's make it less arrests, let's do 282 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: more research. So from through the early nineties, what changed. 283 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: You still have massive arrest you still have illegalities, you 284 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: still have people going to remember they reduced it to 285 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: a misdemeanor, right, the possession. But if you conspire to 286 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: commit a misdemeanor, it's a felony. So people were still 287 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: getting hit with that. And then you get in through 288 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: the eighties and you've got your just say no Nancy Reagan, 289 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: which you know, say no to cocaine and meth and 290 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: crack and everything else, but don't say no to cannabis. 291 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: But that's what they pushed, and that's what they did. 292 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: So during the seventies, as these new acts were coming in, 293 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: reefor Madness was taking its toll and being rejunated. You know, 294 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: refor Madness. That movie came out in the thirties, you know, 295 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: with Our Buddy and Slinger, and in the eighties it 296 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: just got kind of reinvigorated. And so we moved into 297 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: the nineties and all most eighty percent of voters approved 298 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: of Proposition P which was a measure that allowed the 299 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: medical use of cannabis in San Francisco. Justin San Francisco. 300 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: The following year, the city's Board of Supervisors passed a 301 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: resolution which urged the District Attorney and the Police Commission 302 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: to make once again, once again, because they did this 303 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, to make cannabis crimes the lowest 304 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: priority offense. The San Francisco Cannabis Buyers Club was formed 305 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: in n and sold cannabis to medical patients. Now that 306 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: was now. We didn't see real movement towards the path 307 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: of legalization more decriminalization until nine nine six, and that's 308 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: when fifty five point six percent of California residents voted 309 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: to legalize cannabis. Now, let's back up, because that's what 310 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: everybody heard, and that's why I said it voted to 311 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: legalized cannabis. Not true. It wasn't going to be legal, 312 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: it was going to be limited use medicinally. In fact, 313 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: when Prop to fifteen came out, it meant that cannabis 314 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: was still a crime and in many cases felonies. But 315 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: under Prop to fifteen, you had what was called the 316 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: immunity defense. You were immune from Prop to fifteen if 317 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: you were a cannabis patient, and that's you know, there 318 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: are parameters to that. You had to get a physician's recommendation. Now, 319 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: this prop to fifteen lead to a whole bunch of 320 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: confusing issues that people had to understand. You know. Prop 321 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: to fifteen said you could get a physician's recommendation oral 322 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: or written. That's right, you don't need an actual written 323 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: physicians recommendation. A physician can say I recommend you use cannabis, 324 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: and then you could go get it with that oral recommendation. However, 325 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: how are you going to prove that you know which? 326 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: But it's in the it's in Prop. Two fifteen. But 327 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: how are you going to prove it? Well, get it 328 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: written oral or written? Get it written. That became the 329 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: standard because you would need to show that at cooperative 330 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: or collective to show that you were a medicinal patient. 331 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: And recommendation gave you the right to purchase, grow your own, 332 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: and use your own, carry your own. And that was Prop. 333 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: To fifteen in the beginning. And with the doctor's recommendations, 334 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into how the doctors took the bandage 335 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: of cannabis patients. And as me and my brother say, 336 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: and some of these doctors are just a bunch of horrors, 337 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that when we get come back 338 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: right after this break. Hey, welcome back Cannabis Talk one 339 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: on one. All right, you got the wasp little brother 340 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Mark Wasserman here with you today once again, and we're 341 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: going over the history of cannabis in California. And you 342 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: know we went and left off at prop To fifteen 343 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: and the doctors, right, you need this positions recommend Asian. Now, 344 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: when that came out, physicians recommendations, that's all you needed 345 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: oral or written one time. There was no expiration date, 346 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: not in the law. You just needed that oral or 347 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: written physicians recommendation and you were good to go for 348 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: the rest of your life to grow, consume, possess, and 349 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: use cannabis. That was prop To fifteen. Remember prop To 350 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: fifteen had nothing to do with cannabis business infen into that. 351 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: But prop To fifteen gave the patient the right to 352 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: do that with that physicians recommendations. But what did doctors do. 353 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: Doctors who take the hippocratic oath that I am here 354 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: to help patients to make sure that they can heal, 355 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: and what No, they decided, well, I'm gonna stick a 356 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: one year expiration date on this thing, so you got 357 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: to come back in a year and pay me another 358 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: hundred bucks or fifty bucks or whatever they charge. But 359 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: let's put an expiration date on it, so you have 360 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: to come back. That led to the authorities and police 361 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: basically using that as a guideline. If you had a 362 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: recommendation that was quote unquote expired. Because you have it 363 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: for two years, they're gonna write your ticket. You're gonna 364 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: have to go to court, but we're gonna be able 365 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: to beat it in court because we bring a declaration 366 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: or the doctor into testify. That was my recommendation. I 367 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: gave it to him, and in a prop to fifteen 368 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: there is no expiration date. So these doctors created the 369 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: expiration date. They also did something horrible, absolutely horrible, which 370 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: caused I can't even tell you how many people to 371 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: have a false sense of security and go to jail. 372 00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Excuse me, I had to cough. But these doctors would, hey, hey, 373 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: you want to grow fifty plants, you want to carry 374 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: fifty pounds, you want to grow ninety nine plants, Well 375 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: you can with this good old fashioned ninety nine plant 376 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: recommendation for you just two hundred and fifty dollars and 377 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: you can burn nine nine plants all yourself, and you 378 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: will be able to do whatever you want with your cannabis. 379 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: That's what they were pushing, go ahead, grow ninety nine plants. 380 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,959 Speaker 1: And a lot of people think, which is wrong, that 381 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: the Feds aren't gonna get involved unless there's more than 382 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: if there's a hundred plants, then the FEDS could get involved. Well, 383 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: the Feds couldn't get involved anytime because it's federally illegal, 384 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: from one plant to a million. It's federally illegal no 385 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: matter which way you slice it. So you have these 386 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: doctors who just unconscionable, and people would grow and re represent. 387 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: I can't even tell you I started practicing law in 388 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: that was my first year when prop to fifteen came out. 389 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: I went right into criminal defense to help cannabis patients 390 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: who were getting busted. And you get people who come 391 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: to us. I was growing ninety nine plants. The doctor 392 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: said I could do it, and I was growing it, 393 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: and then you know, I was selling something to my 394 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: friends and but the doctor said I could grow an plants. Well, 395 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: the doctor is not a lawyer, and the doctor is 396 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: just trying to rip you off and make some money. 397 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Because the fact of the matter is under prop to 398 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: fifteen you and still holds true to this day. Listen up, 399 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: it hasn't gone away. Prop to fifteen is alive and 400 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: well for you, the cannabis patient, for yourself, for patients rights, 401 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: and under prop to fifteen, you can grow, cultivate, and 402 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: use and possess as much as you medically need. Now, 403 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: what does that mean? As much as you medically need 404 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: means at the end of the day, what you can 405 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: prove If you go to court and you get busted 406 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: for having fifty plants, well, we're gonna have to go 407 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: into court with your doctor too, who gave you the recommendation, 408 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: to explain and tell the judge and possibly a jury 409 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: why you need addicinal cannabis over all the other crap, 410 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: over all the opiates and the other things, for all 411 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: your different ailments and injuries and illnesses and whatever it 412 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: is you've got. We need all those medical records the 413 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: doctor to declare it. That's the evidence that we use 414 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: to prove. And then we also have to bring in 415 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: a cannabis expert to say, oh, fifty plants, Well, by 416 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the time it's cultivated and trimmed down and cut in 417 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: the yield, this is how much you have left. And 418 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: then he takes some of the flour and breaks it 419 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: down and makes it into an oil or a rub 420 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: or a tea or an edible, or he smokes some 421 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: or makes it into a tinct shirt or so on 422 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: and so forth. So at the end of the day 423 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: those fifty plants and ninety nine plants. As it breaks 424 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: down to your medicine, it's going to last you six seven, 425 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: eight months. So if you get busted with all that, 426 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: that's the process you go through. Then what happened in 427 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: uh in California. You start, you had the prop To fifteen, 428 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: and then you had Senate Bill two four twenty that 429 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: came around, and in two thousand and eight the Attorney 430 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: General Guidelines further broke down Senate Bill four because the 431 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: Senate Bill for twenty. Now here's the thing too, with 432 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: the there was no business vehicle in prop to fifteen. 433 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: There was no way for a cannabis business to get started. 434 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: There was nothing for it. Prop To fifteen was just 435 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: for patients. And here in California you've heard all, oh, 436 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: here's a prop to fifteen event, No, no such thing. 437 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: Those were the illegal sessions, the drug dealing swap meets 438 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: that still go on today, and they're just not legal. 439 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: So be careful if you go to those. Your prop 440 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: to card ain't gonna help you. Your recommendation and gonna 441 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: help you with that. So the Attorney General Guidelines came 442 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: out in two thousand eight to break down Senate Bill 443 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: for twenty, which in Senate Bill for twenty said that 444 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: patients can cooperatively, cooperatively or collectively get together two sell 445 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: their cannabis to each other as a cooperative corporation, a 446 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: not for profit entity. And one of our good friends, 447 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: a good friend of the show, recently had him on 448 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: for a great interview. Matthew Human was pretty much at 449 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: the forefront of creating the cooperative corporation so businesses could 450 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: start to operate within the parameters of these laws of Prop. 451 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: To fifteen Senate Bill for twenty and the Attorney General guidelines. 452 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: By being a cooperative corporation not for profit, you had 453 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: to abide by these guidelines and keep your records and 454 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: basically you know, once this was created from two eight 455 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: up until and the passage of Prop. Sixty four Intoen 456 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: when the Adult Used Cannabis Medical Regulation Safety Act came out. 457 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: This period of time is when people could operate with 458 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: their cooperatives and collectives and it was only a defense. 459 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: We talked about it earlier. Prop To fifteen was only 460 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: a defense you could bring the defense you could still 461 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: get arrested. So so back then from twenty two thousand 462 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: eight to two eighteen. For those ten years, we had 463 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: people coming to our office and I would literally sit 464 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: them down and say, all right, get ready, I'm going 465 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: to tell you how to commit the felonies of cultivation, possession, sales, 466 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: distribution of cannabis, and how to have a built in defense. 467 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: It was the only only crime, only crimes that we 468 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: could say, go ahead and go do it, because as attorneys, 469 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: you know we can't. We can't tell you to commit crimes. 470 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: But this, in this case, go do it. We're gonna 471 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: give you the proper set up the cooperative corporation. Here's that. 472 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: Here's another booklet from A to Z. This is what 473 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: you are going to do. This is how you're going 474 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: to operate. You're going to sign patient members. You're going 475 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: to keep these records A, B, C, D all the 476 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: way through T. You're gonna do all this, and you're 477 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: gonna keep this booklet with you. And if you get 478 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: pulled over, you're gonna shut the funk up. That's never changed. 479 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: You're never going to talk to the cops. And if 480 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: you get busted for these felonies, we will be able 481 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: to get you out of it. We will get the 482 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: cases dismissed. If you listen to what we say and 483 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: do exactly what we say. And we had many many 484 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: clients over that decade period where they were busted from 485 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: multiple felonies, and we brought our motions and we got 486 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: cases dismissed left and right, starting with my nephew, j 487 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: Cures of West Coast Cure. You know, that's where really 488 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: where me and big brother made our bones, protecting our family, 489 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: protecting our my brother's son, my nephew, who was in 490 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: it for the patients, and he was helping patients, and 491 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: he was operating as a cooperative. And as things moved on, 492 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: you had to change with it. So we fast forward 493 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: to two thousand sixteen Prop sixty four passes overwhelmingly in California, 494 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: and then come two thousand and eighteen, the regulations hit. 495 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: And that's a whole other ball game, a whole other 496 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: show to talk about how the regulations that came along 497 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: really made things difficult for the cannabis businesses, especially the 498 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: mom and pops that could come to us and for 499 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, twenty grand for a whole year, you had 500 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: our representation. If you got busted with felonies, we represented you. 501 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: We were there to give you advice and counsel on 502 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: how to operate your corporation, your cooperative, and how to 503 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: do everything right. Now you better have a couple hundred 504 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to millions of dollars if you want to 505 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: get into the game. But as I said, that's another 506 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: story for another time. You know, this has been a 507 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: brief history of cannabis in California from as I said. 508 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: It was legal way back in the eighteen hundreds and 509 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: they were making rope and all sorts of other great products. 510 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: The hemp farms were just up with an abundance all 511 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: over and then it was criminalized and vilified and made 512 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: out to be the worst thing in the world so 513 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: people could profit, so prisons could be built, so fines 514 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: could be paid, and so minority could be kept down. 515 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: So now finally we're not all the way out of 516 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: the woods, because as I said at the beginning of 517 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: the show, it is not legalized partial legalization all across 518 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: the country, people are still going to jail for cannabis. 519 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: And until that stops, we're not going to stop fighting, arguing, 520 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: talking about it, advocating about it. Here at Cannabis Talk 521 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: one oh one, we are going to push the train forward, 522 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: for federal legalization, for complete, complete legalization all across the 523 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: country and all across the world. For crying out loud 524 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: and remember this here at Cannabis Talk one oh one. 525 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: If no one else loves you, we do. Thank you 526 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: for listening to Cannabis Talk one oh one on the 527 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 528 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: your podcasts.