Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, well, Mike, my girl
Speaker 1: is a little cold, not on even a little cold,
Speaker 1: not even a little. But that's okay, it's actually not okay,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Can we just start with and I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. This isn't my official revolution on
Speaker 1: the pod? Okay, do you wanta time me? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: But the seconds, in the seconds into the pod, Bowen
Speaker 1: has to do and we don't know if it is
Speaker 1: is I don't know, but it might be in it
Speaker 1: might be and it might be a big day for
Speaker 1: I don't think so Honey's. So basically, Bowen Yang is
Speaker 1: maybe one of many. I don't think it's Honey's on
Speaker 1: this episode. Time starts now. I don't fucking think so Honey.
Speaker 1: My fucking landlord, I don't know who they are because
Speaker 1: I only communicate through the fucking broker who showed me
Speaker 1: this place. I love my apartment, but the heat does
Speaker 1: not work, has not worked for weeks. The air conditioning
Speaker 1: did not work for most of the fucking summer. I
Speaker 1: cannot live in these conditions. This is illegal. I haven't
Speaker 1: paid rent this month because I'm withholding it until they
Speaker 1: fix this. I don't know, I'm just freezing. I'm in
Speaker 1: a terrible mood, like this is just unbearable, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, like for anyone else who has, like who's
Speaker 1: going through some like heating issues right now and as
Speaker 1: we get into the colder months. I'm so sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I stand in solidarity with you, sisters. Sisters,
Speaker 1: I just think, God, this really can funk up your
Speaker 1: whole day, right if you are not if your feet
Speaker 1: are cold, well guess what your heart will be too.
Speaker 1: Really chills you to the damn marrow, to the hearts,
Speaker 1: to the cardiac muscle. Good luck with your peristalsis, honey,
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Loving you was more like living
Speaker 1: here is cold. Here as a cold. That's what I'm saying, honey,
Speaker 1: cocoa cold CoA co called or I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: and here I am sort of card again. I wore
Speaker 1: to I thought for a second like maybe you would
Speaker 1: just pop it on, but of course you've already iconically
Speaker 1: worn't it this week? Girl? I left it at work
Speaker 1: along with the vinyls that she signed to both of us.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, girl, so a d and
Speaker 1: Bowen texted me a picture of a signed vinyl from
Speaker 1: Taylor and it says, to Matt, exclamation point love. It
Speaker 1: looks like the words she spelled as like Taylor. It
Speaker 1: looks like she spelled Taylor. And I was like, does
Speaker 1: she know? Well? I can now confirm to the reader
Speaker 1: that as I was walking down the tunnel too good
Speaker 1: nights with Taylor, I wore a wonderful CDLP satin like
Speaker 1: red wine colored pajama shirt, and I wore I wore
Speaker 1: the red Taylor Swift scarf that is not part of
Speaker 1: her merch in this Taylor's version cycle. She was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cute. Ha ha ha. I just sang all too well.
Speaker 1: I really think she because she is because Taylor was
Speaker 1: in red, has been in red mode this entire weekend
Speaker 1: by proxy, so have we all. And it has been
Speaker 1: quite fun. Do you not feel like it's twelve all
Speaker 1: over again? I said to Miss tree Pain herself, I said,
Speaker 1: and the best possible her publicist m M Trey Pain.
Speaker 1: We love Ms Tree, I said, it feels like, in
Speaker 1: the best way, we're in again. And I longed for
Speaker 1: the days and I told her I didn't I haven't
Speaker 1: I haven't. Really, I didn't. I never got to tell
Speaker 1: this to Taylor, but I was like, that album is
Speaker 1: my favorite because it came out right as I graduated college.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, feeling happy, free, confused, and only
Speaker 1: at the same time magical. Oh yeah, oh yeah. So
Speaker 1: I think it was a kind of a shock when
Speaker 1: I put on the Taylor Swift shirt with the card
Speaker 1: again Folklore card again, and she was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so disgusting. If me, I'm
Speaker 1: just you had to have this moment with her, because
Speaker 1: then we would never would have known. She would have known.
Speaker 1: But here's how I phrased it here. I was thinking
Speaker 1: someone must have told her, well, yeah, as like, has
Speaker 1: someone explained to you what Taylor Swift is yet? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? She was like, no, what is that? I
Speaker 1: was like, and then like Jenna Rosatano or perfect stage
Speaker 1: manager calls us up to screams out us guys, let's
Speaker 1: go on stage. So we're walking. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: too dumb, I'll explain to you later. She was like okay,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I'll explain to you. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: explain it to me now, I said, Taylor, I was like,
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is this personality, is this persona, and Taylor
Speaker 1: is the songwriter strumming on the guitar. Taylor is the
Speaker 1: girl who's stomping down the runway on tour. And she
Speaker 1: throws her head back and laughs and says, that is
Speaker 1: so funny and so stupid. Yeah, we won readers, we
Speaker 1: won the way the readers and Paul wass this and
Speaker 1: the swift E readers and swift a publics this one.
Speaker 1: She threw her head back, laughing like a little kid.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I think it's strange that she thinks
Speaker 1: we're funny because she does. And stupid too, stupid too,
Speaker 1: and she's right and she's right, and you know, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, what a wonderful thing, what a wonderful what
Speaker 1: a wonderful moment. I I basically went up to Lauren
Speaker 1: this week on Saturday before dress rehearsal, just to thank him.
Speaker 1: I was just like, hey, Lauren, like, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: I think I will say this. There was a there
Speaker 1: was an opportunity for me to do something, to do
Speaker 1: something with her on weekend up date. It didn't work out.
Speaker 1: It was completely fine. I was not crushed by it
Speaker 1: at all I was thrilled at the prospect of it,
Speaker 1: but Lauren was like, oh, it would be fun for
Speaker 1: Taylor and Bowen to go out there together. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It didn't transpire. She had a very
Speaker 1: busy week. I was sort of, to be honest, relieved.
Speaker 1: I was like, because I would have just really worked
Speaker 1: myself up into full many had it happened on a
Speaker 1: week like this one. And so I basically went up
Speaker 1: to Lauren's office. I was like, Hey, Lauren, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to thank you for giving me that opportunity, for
Speaker 1: like considering that to begin with, and for bringing her on,
Speaker 1: and you know, she's one of my favorite musicians ever,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to thank you. And he was
Speaker 1: like just very very sweet about it and me and
Speaker 1: then Lauren and I had a nice moment. Oh and
Speaker 1: then wait, I can share this, Yes, I can share this.
Speaker 1: First thing I did. First, I knock on Lauren's door
Speaker 1: and he goes, you want one of these cookies that
Speaker 1: Taylor baked for me, and then like walks over to
Speaker 1: a box gives me this pumpkin spice coconut delicious ginger cookie,
Speaker 1: so so soft and gooey and um I ate it.
Speaker 1: Shared a cookie with Lauren in his office, one of
Speaker 1: that came out of Taylor Swift's own oven ate one
Speaker 1: of his cookies. We had a lovely little chat. Then
Speaker 1: we go downstairs to dress rehearsal. I watched all two,
Speaker 1: all ten minute version live next to Miss Gail King herself. Wow,
Speaker 1: who was who was in the building? She knew all
Speaker 1: the new lyrics. She is a swifty, she's a swifty
Speaker 1: And she and I turned to each other and said,
Speaker 1: isn't it so great? Isn't such a great expansion of
Speaker 1: this song that we all, we have all grown so
Speaker 1: attached to. And then dress happened, and then air happened.
Speaker 1: The same thing happened. Ryan Reynolds and Miss Blake Lively.
Speaker 1: Director Blake, we're gonna get into that. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: getting into that turned to me and said, you know
Speaker 1: all the words already. The song has been out for
Speaker 1: one day. You know all the new words. I said,
Speaker 1: I know all the new words. They don't understand that.
Speaker 1: They don't understand the deep swift nous, the embracing of
Speaker 1: the Taylor and the Taylor and the realization that this
Speaker 1: red re release, and specifically the all too well tim
Speaker 1: and a version is what you said, which is it
Speaker 1: is when Taylor meets Taylor at the Max, and that
Speaker 1: is why it is to be celebrated. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: got off book on day one, within hours, we got
Speaker 1: a book day one hours. Sweetie Mama, Blakely Girl across
Speaker 1: Sweet Lively Girl blasting across the ed Cot Bridge. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. First of all, I just want to say
Speaker 1: for anyone that doesn't, that's anyone that's always like, wow,
Speaker 1: episodes completely devoted to Taylor. We are going to get
Speaker 1: into other culture. But this it may not be the
Speaker 1: episode for you, because this is truly Matt and Bowen
Speaker 1: Taylor's version. Because this, this is what I'm sure everyone thinks. This,
Speaker 1: The Swifties think this. We're not going to get a
Speaker 1: moment like this again. No, it's a celebration. I do
Speaker 1: believe that it is her best album. It is her
Speaker 1: best well, I mean it is her best album in
Speaker 1: this Taylor's version sort of you are allowed to have
Speaker 1: a favorite. You are entitled. Red is, just like I said,
Speaker 1: a very important album for me. The way that Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift's music attaches to people, the way that people attached
Speaker 1: to her music is very contingent on where each person
Speaker 1: is at in their own lives. Well you, that is true.
Speaker 1: That is true, and you actually sent me the Pitchfork
Speaker 1: article today. And by the way pitch Pitchfork upgrades, it's
Speaker 1: already very positive long review of Read to I believe
Speaker 1: it's like an eight point five on pitch it's a
Speaker 1: nine point now. Okay, so perfect, that's now on nine
Speaker 1: point now. But it says something which I think is correct,
Speaker 1: which is that Read when it was released was the
Speaker 1: nexus of her musical career because it it actually sort
Speaker 1: of it's the bridge. It's it's the bridge. It let
Speaker 1: everyone know this is the maturation of this type of artist,
Speaker 1: this like young singer songwriter coming into her own, but
Speaker 1: it's also letting everyone know of her maximum pop ambitions.
Speaker 1: And it is the bridge. It is from It truly
Speaker 1: is the bridge from Taylor to Taylor. And that's just
Speaker 1: the truth. And that's just this is why it's an
Speaker 1: important album to discuss. I won't make any apologies to
Speaker 1: the listener, to the reader. We are unapologetic. We will
Speaker 1: talk about other culture this episode. I'm sure so much
Speaker 1: plan yet so much has happened, current events are happening
Speaker 1: as we speak, but as I will also say, I
Speaker 1: will also say that Fearless Taylor's version and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll feel this way when if she when if and
Speaker 1: when she rerecords Taylor Swift the first album and speak now.
Speaker 1: I was just listening to Enchanted. I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't wait for the Taylor's version of this huge, huge
Speaker 1: right now and Chanted and then you knew this Enchanted
Speaker 1: exploded on TikTok and now it's like in the top
Speaker 1: fifty extreme songs in the country. It's going to chart again,
Speaker 1: and Chanton is huge right now. It's kind of getting
Speaker 1: lost in the Red conversation. But in the days prior
Speaker 1: to the Red re release, Enchanted was blowing up. It
Speaker 1: increased like in like streaming because it got found on
Speaker 1: TikTok and became like a meme on TikTok. It's why,
Speaker 1: But continue what you were saying, because did you listen
Speaker 1: to Fearless Taylor's version and think, oh wow, it's so
Speaker 1: beautiful to hear her sing songs about being fifteen. Is
Speaker 1: this thirty year old or you know, thirty something or
Speaker 1: it's just like her putting these developed vocals onto these
Speaker 1: songs she wrote, you know, thirteen years ago, Like there
Speaker 1: is like that's like part of the layer, It's part
Speaker 1: of the appeal to why you're listening to this. There
Speaker 1: is some of that in Red for sure, but for Red,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is just confirming. It's it's just really, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, seeling this idea that this is an
Speaker 1: incredible album, not that Fearless wasn't, but like there's just
Speaker 1: there's less of that gap between, Like it just shows
Speaker 1: you like she this was the bridge, this is this
Speaker 1: is the artist that made her who she is, like
Speaker 1: who she is, like how we know her today? You know? Yes,
Speaker 1: I also think that you know and and I don't
Speaker 1: know if she would agree with me, but this is
Speaker 1: actually my take. And as I'm listening to the Red
Speaker 1: re release and I'm enjoying it. Not that I didn't
Speaker 1: enjoy the Fearless rerelease, I just thought it was like
Speaker 1: really cute and fun and I'm happy we had it.
Speaker 1: This is like powerful to me and like actually improved
Speaker 1: the album. I think when she started this process of
Speaker 1: re recording everything, it was about ownership absolutely, and it
Speaker 1: was about getting back her Master's But now I think
Speaker 1: maybe as she's doing it, she's actually discovering that it's
Speaker 1: a way too sort of honor all these eras and
Speaker 1: the fact that her fans grew so much, especially during
Speaker 1: an album like Red, which was truly a transition. And
Speaker 1: also the album is so deeply about growing up, and
Speaker 1: it's so deeply about nostalgia, and it's also you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's little pieces of her. It's almost like
Speaker 1: in Red she was talking to herself in her past,
Speaker 1: present and future in a way. And I do think
Speaker 1: it's made me love the album so much more than
Speaker 1: I ever did, because I think you didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: love it. It's not that I didn't. It's it's not
Speaker 1: that I didn't love it. It was before my stand hood,
Speaker 1: my standard, I will say, happened with and that's just
Speaker 1: that's just them's the facts. But I will say that
Speaker 1: I always did like Red. I guess I was just
Speaker 1: at the time Red came out, maybe not developed enough
Speaker 1: to not see it as confusing. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this isn't her identity as an artist, Like what's this?
Speaker 1: Like what's all this like synth and what's this? You know,
Speaker 1: like weird employe Sisson. I knew we were troubled with
Speaker 1: the dub step of it all. I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't get it. Now I do, because I think it's
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm saying, which is it's that next, it's
Speaker 1: that bridge, it's that Taylor becoming Taylor, but also taking
Speaker 1: Taylor along with her, which I think at the time
Speaker 1: sort of through me, and now I can really respect
Speaker 1: and appreciate. And I also think it's the first time
Speaker 1: it was a revolution for her lyrically. I mean, all
Speaker 1: too well, it's just so perfect and we will talk
Speaker 1: about it as as as its own piece because now
Speaker 1: we've seen it like in the short film, etcetera. But
Speaker 1: I just think in terms of Red, so many of
Speaker 1: the themes of the album itself actually are um congruent
Speaker 1: with the themes of her doing this process of rerecording,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think it feels so special and singular,
Speaker 1: and why I think we're all having so much fun
Speaker 1: with it. I just I've never loved her as much
Speaker 1: as I do this week. I'm her. I fucking love her.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I just all I've listened to all
Speaker 1: week until literally this afternoon when I watched the Adult
Speaker 1: special last night, which I would love to touch on. Um.
Speaker 1: I I was listening to the ten minute All Too Well,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is exactly why I love her.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like such a fleshed out, specific
Speaker 1: circumstance about what was a three month relationship, but that
Speaker 1: really changed her and I don't I would love to
Speaker 1: hear what it was like, Um, for you to see
Speaker 1: the performance live here the song for the first time,
Speaker 1: and then see the short film and let's let's talk
Speaker 1: about All Too Well for a second. Um, All too Well.
Speaker 1: I was listening to it at yeah twelve, I like, like,
Speaker 1: there's there was some Twitter discussion about how like exactly
Speaker 1: twelve ten am Eastern time. Everyone was tweeting their responses
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, like like literally like clockwork. Um.
Speaker 1: But I just like probably guessed internally at some of
Speaker 1: the lyrics, like, I mean, it's so impactful when used
Speaker 1: to be a little kid with classes in a twin
Speaker 1: size bit and then just when when she transitions into
Speaker 1: the new lyrics. Yeah, it's so powerful when you hear
Speaker 1: that old stuff you've always known and transition, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like the continuing of a story. It's like a
Speaker 1: mad lib that was in your heart and mind but
Speaker 1: never but and then to find out that it actually exists,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's like that flashing out
Speaker 1: that you didn't know you needed. But it's genius of
Speaker 1: her not to modulate on like an extra verse and
Speaker 1: a chorus in a verse in pre chorus, an extra bridge, whatever,
Speaker 1: it like blending in the new with the old in
Speaker 1: this perfect checkered way after the first like two minutes,
Speaker 1: so good, just so just so great. And my favorite
Speaker 1: new lyric um weirdly mine is um sipping on your
Speaker 1: coffee like a late night show or something. I just
Speaker 1: think that's such a that's such a great image, like
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of it only further confirms
Speaker 1: this idea that it's an actor, you know, like that
Speaker 1: it's someone who like is a public figure in a
Speaker 1: way that would warrant him going on a late night show.
Speaker 1: I just I just think, just really great. I I
Speaker 1: kind of do feel like the patriarchy key chain is anachronistic,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that was a thing back in
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, Like I don't think those were that
Speaker 1: phrase was on key chains necessarily in a way that
Speaker 1: would be recognizable in a song lyric of hers. She
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't saying the A word back then. She was
Speaker 1: probably maybe she was writing it. I don't maybe, but
Speaker 1: she is fully fully within her artistic rights or whatever
Speaker 1: to like throw that in in retrospect retroactively. Um, but
Speaker 1: I just I don't know that was great. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say. The only lyric that confuses me is the
Speaker 1: patriarchy key chain. I probably could have done without that,
Speaker 1: but I would say, and I was never going to
Speaker 1: tell in jokes, but the punch line goes, I get older,
Speaker 1: but my age is so her, and like I just
Speaker 1: the whole thing that like waited for the door and
Speaker 1: my my my dad watched or you charm my dad. Yes,
Speaker 1: the late night host and then the door. It's supposed
Speaker 1: to be fun turning twenty one. It's the whole thing
Speaker 1: is such a I mean, if you didn't know it
Speaker 1: was Jake before she and the Jill in Hall of
Speaker 1: it all is fully confirmed in a way where it's
Speaker 1: just like, Wow, this guy and this is this is
Speaker 1: what I was saying as someone who was nineteen dated
Speaker 1: and dated someone who was thirty. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: some of those guys do that, and I would say
Speaker 1: it's because they're not I would I would categorize them
Speaker 1: as not emotionally mature. This is not to drag anyone
Speaker 1: out there who's thirty one dating a nineteen year old,
Speaker 1: but I would tell you to take a good hard
Speaker 1: look at yourself and think about that person's experience, because
Speaker 1: I also think that what she has realized now being
Speaker 1: someone who is that age and she's his age now, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think that that actually puts a light bulb
Speaker 1: on I know it certainly has for me about what
Speaker 1: it means to date someone at that age and like
Speaker 1: to put someone through the emotional ringer at that age.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think she's digging in so hard
Speaker 1: and not being so in cheek about this, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I think I think part of
Speaker 1: her is, like if she didn't have like remnants of
Speaker 1: the heartbreak, I think part of her is a little
Speaker 1: piste off about the fact that, like, you know, she
Speaker 1: got put through it by someone who had a lot
Speaker 1: of years on her and a lot of power over her.
Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of you know, vindictive. Taylor
Speaker 1: is is something different now than it was then because
Speaker 1: she is the most powerful person in the music industry.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty sweet to see it happened because I
Speaker 1: recognize what she went through, and I didn't go through
Speaker 1: the same version of it, but I went through a
Speaker 1: version of it, and I am smiling listening to it.
Speaker 1: That's what I I kind of has there been discussion
Speaker 1: around the line I'm a soldier returning half her weight?
Speaker 1: Is that the way I feel like? I absolutely love
Speaker 1: that amazing lyric. I feel like that's a reference to
Speaker 1: Jake Joe and Hall film Brothers. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that I think she certainly thought of it. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just my thought. But but but Toby
Speaker 1: McGuire was was the brother who was the soldier in
Speaker 1: that movie, and not Jake. Anyway, I think Toby and
Speaker 1: Taylor s would have exists in the same I can't explain,
Speaker 1: but I I get what you're saying, and I celebrate it.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the short film? The short film,
Speaker 1: lovely short film love Taylor in a red Wig feels
Speaker 1: very bad blood. I don't know, it feels very feels
Speaker 1: very much. This is the red era. I love it. Why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it? And her dp she she she she's
Speaker 1: gone Na Yang, who's who is very talented. Clearly, I
Speaker 1: think you were counting the number of times they yelled
Speaker 1: fucking at each other and that one scene and it
Speaker 1: is thirteen. I mean, like it all built to that,
Speaker 1: because I was like, okay, this must be like a
Speaker 1: dog whistle orneasterg like fucking like they're saying fucking a lot,
Speaker 1: and it must be thirteen. It must be like building
Speaker 1: up to that. It was very I said to Bowen,
Speaker 1: and I say this in the best way, and this
Speaker 1: is not a drag, Okay. That long scene of them
Speaker 1: in the kitchen was very like when you let young
Speaker 1: actors improvise and there's a lot of fuckings and that's
Speaker 1: totally fine, and and we love and we love it
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm obsessed. But she wrote it, and
Speaker 1: so therefore I feel like there was some penmanship involved
Speaker 1: in the dialogue. I feel as though there was some
Speaker 1: scripting going on, but the actors were allowed to improvise,
Speaker 1: which is how you get that many fuckings. And but
Speaker 1: but I also know it's probably intentional. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't dispute the intentionality of it all. I just I
Speaker 1: think I saw her saying an interview that she watched
Speaker 1: as the actors improvised, and it was like so dead
Speaker 1: on and she away, I will say, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit on his side in that scene because she is
Speaker 1: acting crazy, like and I'm like, this is say someone's nineteen,
Speaker 1: no girl, because I'm like, this girl's acting crazy. And
Speaker 1: also Joelan jared that we they came over last night
Speaker 1: for Housewives, l O L the girl. We'll get to it.
Speaker 1: But they also were like, yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: say anything, but I kind of think she's being crazy
Speaker 1: in this scene. Well and that's but he's also a monster.
Speaker 1: Part of me thinks that Taylor is matured enough now
Speaker 1: where she would let like a potentially unflattering I'm sure
Speaker 1: she thought absolutely. I'm sure miss Sadie Sank thought of that,
Speaker 1: like just like like she's like, we're not no one's
Speaker 1: like she like, the girl is not blameless necessarily in
Speaker 1: this I mean she was. She was taking advantage of
Speaker 1: absolutely difference. Yes, and you can't you It's like she
Speaker 1: is nineteen years old. If you put someone in that
Speaker 1: situation and she feels a certain way, she's going to
Speaker 1: to act like she feels a certain way, and then
Speaker 1: I think that that's another thing. I was looking at
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, God, these two people shouldn't be together,
Speaker 1: and that's what that's sort of I mean, And watching
Speaker 1: the video the first time I was watching it, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is all pretty familiar,
Speaker 1: like and then I realized, like, oh, it's familiar because
Speaker 1: I recognize it deeply. And I think that you know
Speaker 1: this story, You've known it for almost ten years. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think that it was actually really kind of great.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good, illustrative music video for
Speaker 1: the song. And I I've been actually surprised. I didn't
Speaker 1: think I would listen to the ten minute version exclusively
Speaker 1: and not the five minute version. Not that I don't
Speaker 1: love the original version, but the ten minute version is
Speaker 1: now my version, that's for sure. I mean, let's just
Speaker 1: acknowledge how high the hype was sort of stacked, you know,
Speaker 1: like built it was like it was, the build up
Speaker 1: to it was so nutt nutty, like of course, she
Speaker 1: she knows that the Swifties are gonna go insane. What
Speaker 1: she announces a ten minute all too well, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? And then we're all like going crazy in
Speaker 1: the months before it comes out, and then it comes
Speaker 1: out and we're all like, wow, this met Slash exceeded
Speaker 1: the expectations crazy. And then I will say you get
Speaker 1: that many fuckings if you're also like in a David
Speaker 1: Manment way, absolutely yeah, I didn't. I did not. I
Speaker 1: didn't take issue with the fuckings at all. That's what
Speaker 1: people say when they're upset. It's actually really culture number
Speaker 1: fifty fucking fucking people say when they're upset, And that's
Speaker 1: that's going in the book. Here's what I'll say, Um,
Speaker 1: before we move on from the Red Era, because there's
Speaker 1: just so much What book are you talking about? I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know why I said that,
Speaker 1: but before we move on from the Red Era, which
Speaker 1: it's just been. It's been the joy of my life.
Speaker 1: And I know that you had such a positive experience
Speaker 1: with her as performance was amazing, but as an album
Speaker 1: and even with the Vault tracks, I wonder if you
Speaker 1: had to say three or four highlights, what are they?
Speaker 1: What songs are you particularly enjoying in terms of the
Speaker 1: update and what of the new Vault songs are you
Speaker 1: absolutely like putting in the Cannon for favorite tailor songs.
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you think about me as I
Speaker 1: think in the Cannon, especially with this wonderful visual Chefskiss.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. I like Babe. I love that
Speaker 1: there's a promises promises. It feels very three ill wise,
Speaker 1: you know, saying promises quickly twice. Um, it's very free
Speaker 1: and that. Yeah, and then um, Ronan is a song
Speaker 1: that I didn't really didn't like. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what a lovely, beautiful song, and I know I know
Speaker 1: the story behind it, but just like I just just
Speaker 1: sonically it sounds so gorgeous. And then um, come back
Speaker 1: be here. Really it's something that never stuck that I
Speaker 1: always like, kind of overlooked during the original release, and
Speaker 1: now I'm just like, what a great song. Absolutely anyway,
Speaker 1: and then obviously, um, nothing new. Phoebe sounds so good
Speaker 1: and I think it's both such as it's such a
Speaker 1: great match for both of them. Yeah, she was very
Speaker 1: she was really smart to to to to collab with her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that's it's such a great song, and
Speaker 1: I think it's I can understand why she left it
Speaker 1: off the first time, because she probably was afraid to
Speaker 1: put it on because it's so honest, I mean, And
Speaker 1: she did touch on feeling that way about feeling disposable
Speaker 1: as a one in the music industry in the Miss
Speaker 1: Americana documentary, and it's been interesting now to see confirmed
Speaker 1: that this has been something that's been on her mind
Speaker 1: and she has the lyric that's I've had too much
Speaker 1: to drink to note. I know it's like, and I
Speaker 1: know it's sad, this is what I think about, but
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of pressure on her and
Speaker 1: so you know, sometimes for her to feel that way
Speaker 1: at twenty two to write the song as a twenty
Speaker 1: two year old crazy dark has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: her and has everything to do with society, you know whatever, obviously,
Speaker 1: but like just just what a yeah, an honest song.
Speaker 1: Nothing's really changed in the way that people feel about
Speaker 1: women in the music industry. I guess for this to
Speaker 1: still be resonant um but really good. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say overall my opinions are I mean, message in a
Speaker 1: bottle of such a fun, little snack of a pop song.
Speaker 1: I understand why it didn't make it the first time,
Speaker 1: because I think this was the first song that she
Speaker 1: wrote with Max Martin and Shellback, and I think she
Speaker 1: did improve upon it in terms of the upbeat songs
Speaker 1: on the album that we're on the initial version, I
Speaker 1: will say I think that in the re recordings, I
Speaker 1: think the mid tempo and ballads fair better than the
Speaker 1: up tempo songs. It just seems like maybe that was
Speaker 1: what she was more interested and passionate about this time
Speaker 1: with this album. I I do prefer the original. We
Speaker 1: are never ever getting back together. The we Ese are
Speaker 1: a little much for me on the new release, and
Speaker 1: but there's these songs are still fun twenty two. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's so much fun like and I have such
Speaker 1: an appreciation for that as a pure pop song now,
Speaker 1: Like it's just so genius, and that's my favorite up
Speaker 1: tempo on the song, I think in terms of the
Speaker 1: re release and the original now, but I mean, Red
Speaker 1: sounds absolutely beautiful and you so get it, Like there's
Speaker 1: State of Grace and then there's Red and the album
Speaker 1: really begins Red into treacherous. Treacherous is one of her
Speaker 1: top five. Treacherous is it is so fucking good and
Speaker 1: listening to her sing it now gorgeous. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think this this is one of the tracks that is
Speaker 1: I think is better than on the original album. I
Speaker 1: would agree. The production on it, the vocals on it
Speaker 1: all huge improvements, improvements. I got to tell her I
Speaker 1: sent you, I sent you a promo there was there
Speaker 1: was a promo for SNL where I got to um,
Speaker 1: just my me as Bowen as scripted just I just
Speaker 1: like kind of drop a lyrical reference, and everyone's like, Bowen,
Speaker 1: come on, and I'm like, what, I like her music,
Speaker 1: and then she like pats me on the shoulder. And
Speaker 1: then there was one quote unquote very sadie think of
Speaker 1: me improvised the line where I said treacherous is the
Speaker 1: sound of falling in love, and she was like really
Speaker 1: kind of floored by it in the moment. Matt has
Speaker 1: the footage, but I was but she was like, what treacherous.
Speaker 1: That's so nice, And like I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think people tell her that enough. No, what am I saying?
Speaker 1: I'm saying like maybe maybe that is like an underappreciated
Speaker 1: song of hers that maybe she doesn't. I think it
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. It is the bridge. Nothing safe is
Speaker 1: worth the drive. And I will follow you, follow you
Speaker 1: home to you head like trying to sleep list night
Speaker 1: and I will get you, get you alone. And you
Speaker 1: know what it's funny is it's so obviously about like
Speaker 1: meeting and having that first attraction to Jake Jillan Hall,
Speaker 1: and it applies to anyone. I mean when you know.
Speaker 1: And there's a live performance where she says this one
Speaker 1: of my favorite live performances she's ever done, is it
Speaker 1: was like a red listening party with a bunch of girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's got her iconic redit like liberal arts college
Speaker 1: hair at the time, and she's like, this is when
Speaker 1: you start to like somebody and you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: annihilate you, but you do it anyway. And I was
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, a h it's it's choosing to
Speaker 1: live life so that you see what happens. And like
Speaker 1: there's also in Treacherous, I mean literally there's so much
Speaker 1: like danger imagery and it's just like you could tell
Speaker 1: she felt so vulnerable, and that is what I love
Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift is the willingness to be vulnerable. And
Speaker 1: then you know later on you see in her life
Speaker 1: when she felt like she really needed to put armor
Speaker 1: on and literally we got reputation, you know, but there
Speaker 1: were still little glimpses of vulnerability like she just has
Speaker 1: she's got. She allows herself to go out and be
Speaker 1: inspired so that she can create work that really, really
Speaker 1: really hits. And Treacherous to me is it's just so boring.
Speaker 1: It's it's so good, and she's also sounds horny as
Speaker 1: hell on it too, and it's also about genuine attraction,
Speaker 1: which I do love. Can you think of a crazier
Speaker 1: opening lyric? Not crazier, but just like horny or opening lyric?
Speaker 1: I should say, then put your lips close to mine?
Speaker 1: As long as edging the Edgers one with that song
Speaker 1: that Edger's actually one, it's actually a rule of culture
Speaker 1: numbers the Edgers. Yeah, um, I would say, Yeah, so treacherous,
Speaker 1: I would say, Ronan God did I cry, Begin again,
Speaker 1: Begin again? Did what it needed to do on this
Speaker 1: new re release and it honestly makes me feel so
Speaker 1: hopeful every single time. Obviously holding down and state of
Speaker 1: grace we stand. And I will close by saying that
Speaker 1: the update of Girl at Home I am in total
Speaker 1: support of. And this is how I know that, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's the ownership that really matters. But I think she
Speaker 1: might have made a more conscious effort to make it
Speaker 1: sound the exact same if she never wanted the original
Speaker 1: listen to. I think this process of re recording is
Speaker 1: becoming something different for her in the beautiful, great way
Speaker 1: and also an ingenious way as the capitalist that she
Speaker 1: is and we know in that third generation banker's daughter Mama,
Speaker 1: she says, I am a brand. I am rereleasing all
Speaker 1: my albums as if they're bigger than ever, new things,
Speaker 1: and I love it. Let us talk about and give
Speaker 1: props to Miss Blake, Miss Blake before you before we
Speaker 1: move on to the to the video of I Bet
Speaker 1: You Think About Me. Just the lyrics, lyrics on Holy Ground,
Speaker 1: I think really hit you, hit you hard again when
Speaker 1: you really sit down and listen to it. I always
Speaker 1: loved the song, but something about again this this this rerelease,
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, and like just the concept, I mean,
Speaker 1: don't you isn't this this concept that like it's so obvious,
Speaker 1: but like if you walk by a place, it has
Speaker 1: some like emotional romantic like energy, like like thing for
Speaker 1: history to you so powerful and like the like she's
Speaker 1: this bitch is fucking throwing biblical references in this fucking song,
Speaker 1: Like I I mean, like whatever like whatever your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Christianity are, like, I'm like, okay, is like fucking
Speaker 1: quoting the Bible in this way that doesn't feel forced,
Speaker 1: is just enough so that you understand that. She's like,
Speaker 1: this is a place of biblical that's suffused with biblical
Speaker 1: energy in the Bible of my life, right say that
Speaker 1: it is sacred. And you know, this just recently happened
Speaker 1: to me. I felt very red when when it's when
Speaker 1: we shot Bonobos. It was the first time I had
Speaker 1: come back to New York since before the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: it was and I was walking to the city, specifically
Speaker 1: the East village where we went to school, where I lived,
Speaker 1: where I had so many you know, first kisses and
Speaker 1: how many I cried on course street corners, and you
Speaker 1: know places that I used to go have lunch and
Speaker 1: meet up with friends are now Starbucks, and you know
Speaker 1: times where I was working really hard at school, and
Speaker 1: you know where I apartments that I moved into and
Speaker 1: moved out of and met people. And it's just that
Speaker 1: is a really powerful thing. And I think that a
Speaker 1: song like that really speaks to that, and this whole
Speaker 1: album really speaks to that, because you know what Bowen.
Speaker 1: It's also really important for us because it was a
Speaker 1: really fun transitional time in our lives. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: and we were we were twenty two. We really were
Speaker 1: happy for your confusing lily at the same time in
Speaker 1: the best way, Darling. It was good never looking down
Speaker 1: and right there where we stood was holy ground. Come on,
Speaker 1: fuck you for that. That's girl good Billy Joel said,
Speaker 1: beatles of her time and time. Patty Lapone said, one
Speaker 1: of the best lyricists of our generation. And Patty his
Speaker 1: close girlfriends with Stephen Sondheim close girlfriends close, that's actually
Speaker 1: real culture Number six, Patty close girlfriends so stupid um
Speaker 1: speaking of close girlfriends, Taylor's close girlfriend Blake Lively direct
Speaker 1: video I Bet You Think About Me Again, one of
Speaker 1: the stronger song from the Vault, which I loved. This
Speaker 1: is one of her best music videos. No I said
Speaker 1: to you, I said, wow, this is up there, Yes,
Speaker 1: just like such. And honestly, what I thought about the
Speaker 1: entire time watching it was this direction. Direction, and also
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we had Miles Teller in it, pedigree,
Speaker 1: we had Lively behind the camera, really good style. I
Speaker 1: thought she had a really good style. It's edited so well,
Speaker 1: great vision. Taylor was obviously having a lot of fun
Speaker 1: in it. Blake should direct more. Blake is a visuals person,
Speaker 1: Like you know, she like picked the office out for
Speaker 1: a simple favor. You know, she like fucking like was
Speaker 1: Serena vander Woodson like the image, Like she like cultivated
Speaker 1: that herself. Like she's incredible, an amazing actress, obviously star actress.
Speaker 1: The first time I saw her, sisterhood directress directress and
Speaker 1: also you know what sisterhood I'll never forget. I was like,
Speaker 1: who is that? I was like, I need to know
Speaker 1: a girl in the world everything, and then the world
Speaker 1: noticed everything. I was just like thinking to myself, I
Speaker 1: was like, how much fun Taylor is having? Like also
Speaker 1: a lot going on in the video set piece wise,
Speaker 1: like tar Angle. You know, this is a really really
Speaker 1: good directorial effort. I say, Bravo, Bravo. I say maybe
Speaker 1: her I would say brav x, I would I would
Speaker 1: say maybe Taylor's best music video since Space. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: say that, and what not not. This is not the streams.
Speaker 1: I acknowledge the problematic nature of it, but I do
Speaker 1: think it's absolutely beautiful and I emotional every time I
Speaker 1: watch it, I really fucking I just you know what,
Speaker 1: and I'll say I love Harmonica Taylor. And if you
Speaker 1: want to go so far as to say that, as
Speaker 1: we've said, this is Red as the Bridge. If we
Speaker 1: are to believe that she wrote this song for this
Speaker 1: album during her sort of exploratory conceptual process of this,
Speaker 1: if the harmonica was in there originally kind of like
Speaker 1: Foretells Folklore era Taylor, you know, like it is past present, future,
Speaker 1: like this is like the four dimensional snapshot of Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift that we're gonna get, that we have, that we
Speaker 1: will always have. Well, what read the album proves is
Speaker 1: that time and space don't exist, because this album exists
Speaker 1: in a vacuum where she was speaking to all let's
Speaker 1: call it nine dimensions of Taylor, Taylor, Taylor. It was
Speaker 1: just like speaking to everything. It was. It was shooting
Speaker 1: out energy in all directions because you know what, you
Speaker 1: know what she wasn't doing during Fearless Taylor's version in April.
Speaker 1: She was not going on the on the show. She
Speaker 1: was not really doing the songs live, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that she doesn't love Fearless songs like or
Speaker 1: like you know that time in her in her career,
Speaker 1: in her life. I just think she you can tell
Speaker 1: she fucking loves this album. Yes, she knows, she thinks
Speaker 1: it's one of her best. She knows it's one of
Speaker 1: her best. She I think thinks of this also as
Speaker 1: this sacred time capsule. That's why she's dressing in that
Speaker 1: era again. I'm like, we just in folklore era, like
Speaker 1: a year ago, and it's like and now it feels
Speaker 1: like it doesn't be like a regression. It just feels like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is such And this is what I said to
Speaker 1: Tree Pain, and I said, I know this is probably
Speaker 1: what you guys thought about all along, but like this
Speaker 1: really is like an intentional, powerful return to that time
Speaker 1: in her life and in our lives, and so therefore
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm twenty two again. Yes, yes, it's
Speaker 1: just it's I don't know. I'm just saying it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a crazy power, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: kind of like it. I'm kind of scared by it.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, whoa, what is It's bizarre, very
Speaker 1: confused and lonely at the same time, and magical. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, in the best way, in the
Speaker 1: best way. That's what this is. Taylor. We say brav
Speaker 1: X you X Taylor the title of a title of
Speaker 1: X brov X Taylor brov x Taylor brov X Comma
Speaker 1: Tay Laura exclamation point. That's exactly right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: The red was the one time she was Tay Laura,
Speaker 1: Taylor and Taylor everything. And that's that's beautiful, and that's
Speaker 1: that's cultural. Rest You're so a culture baby. And okay,
Speaker 1: so you just we just said the word king and
Speaker 1: in a transition out of this. There's so much to
Speaker 1: talk about, but I have to tell you something, King
Speaker 1: Ego WoT Um was so good in the second season
Speaker 1: of Love Life. I had to text her. I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: I was the way you did that. Did you watch
Speaker 1: the second season of love Life? The readers know that
Speaker 1: if you've been listening for a while, you know I
Speaker 1: loved the first season of Love Life. The second season
Speaker 1: of Love Life with William Jackson Harper and Miss Jessica
Speaker 1: Williams never better. This was great. Did you catch this?
Speaker 1: I have not watched a single episode of Love Life.
Speaker 1: I I'm sure I would love it. This is the
Speaker 1: thing I told I told King this at dinner at
Speaker 1: the after party on Saturday. I said, because someone from
Speaker 1: someone from NBC came over and talked to us and
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, have you have we all
Speaker 1: seen Ego in Love Life? I go, yes, and I
Speaker 1: go she is the draw for some people, myself specifically,
Speaker 1: because I was not. I watched because of her, and
Speaker 1: I watched the entire thing and was like, oh my God,
Speaker 1: give me this rom calm lead iconography. Absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: she gave it to you every way she was because
Speaker 1: you know, Ego was giving you ego, but she was
Speaker 1: also giving you shades of ego we haven't seen, which
Speaker 1: I'm always excited when when when the SNL folks get
Speaker 1: this opportunity because they're so talented, and also, Punky Johnson
Speaker 1: is in the show. Punky is so good, fabulous, I
Speaker 1: mean so great, and actually I think I've only had
Speaker 1: the very fleeting pleasure of meeting Punky, but big fan,
Speaker 1: the lot person in the world, the kindest, funniest person,
Speaker 1: so so good, and I will say I'm about to
Speaker 1: give it all the way up to William Jackson Harper,
Speaker 1: who was an amazing lead and let truly, you guys,
Speaker 1: this is my recommendation. This week, watched the second season
Speaker 1: of Love Life. You really don't have to watch the
Speaker 1: first season, but you know, I did enjoy it the
Speaker 1: second season of Love Life. He's so great, so charming,
Speaker 1: so watchable, so hot, like and his chemistry with Jessica
Speaker 1: Williams was amazing and she has never been better. I
Speaker 1: was like, she's a star and just across the board.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed Love Life, And props to King who
Speaker 1: bodied that fourth episode. And then she comes back and
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, loved it, loved it King.
Speaker 1: I think King is really in her charges ard era,
Speaker 1: like not that she wasn't. This is the thing. King
Speaker 1: is one of those people that has always just sword
Speaker 1: and has always moved through the world with this assured
Speaker 1: nous that she is very good. Yep, she's a superstar.
Speaker 1: She has the X factor. Bab she's a she has
Speaker 1: it And honestly, can I just say I'm a jealous,
Speaker 1: fucking bitch. No, but I see her succeed every time
Speaker 1: on the show and life outside of SNL. I go,
Speaker 1: I'm just so purely happy for you. Oh yeah, she
Speaker 1: happens with a few people. It happens with like you
Speaker 1: and that's it. I'm getting more people than that, but
Speaker 1: like I'm just a king. It was one of those people.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, good for you. I'm just so
Speaker 1: happy for you. I was so happy for her, and
Speaker 1: I know there are a lot, there's lots of fans
Speaker 1: of that show. I texted her. I was like, I
Speaker 1: hope you're hearing all the praise because she really deserves it.
Speaker 1: And I can't say enough again. If you remember, if
Speaker 1: if you've been watching, listening to this for a while,
Speaker 1: or reading this podcast for a bit, you remember I
Speaker 1: finished all of Love Life in one night. Same thing
Speaker 1: with the second season. It's real easy. It's half hour episodes,
Speaker 1: it's all They released the whole thing at the same time.
Speaker 1: So it's like which Hbox doesn't always do. But I
Speaker 1: believe they did it this and if they if they didn't,
Speaker 1: it is all out now, so trick it out. Loved
Speaker 1: it now. Did you get to watch the Adel special?
Speaker 1: It was delivering on new Adele music. It was delivering
Speaker 1: on in many ways. We heard, you know, new vocal
Speaker 1: renditions of Taylor and Taylor. We heard Adele vocally sounding
Speaker 1: so good and warm and healthy, singing the old classics
Speaker 1: like you've never heard of before. I don't I don't think, um,
Speaker 1: I don't think that someone like you has ever sounded
Speaker 1: better when we were young. Hello, you know easy on me.
Speaker 1: It's so funny hear or sing it live. But also
Speaker 1: some of the new music that she has coming out.
Speaker 1: She she she sang this one song called hold On,
Speaker 1: which was fantastic, and then she closed with this song
Speaker 1: which is like love is a game or something, and
Speaker 1: it's like she wrote a new classic song. It's the
Speaker 1: only way I can describe it. Like Greta came over
Speaker 1: earlier and we were watching it and I turned to
Speaker 1: her and I was like, this is a song that
Speaker 1: we're gonna be singing for years to come, and it
Speaker 1: just made me so excited. Her interview with Oprah was,
Speaker 1: of course amazing, because Oprah is Oprah, and Oprah was
Speaker 1: of course giving you classic iconic like welcome to My
Speaker 1: Rose Garden vibes. Where I guess she's doing all her
Speaker 1: interviews now, it's it's she has, she goes, she goes.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to bring you back to my Rose
Speaker 1: Garden because look over there, there's my tea house, and
Speaker 1: sure enough, there's an entire house for tea, but it
Speaker 1: was Opra's house, so Adele came over to Oprah's house.
Speaker 1: She wore this sunning white pants suits and in the
Speaker 1: in the in the performance itself, she had this like stunning, stunning,
Speaker 1: She's giving Italian glamor this like black Shipparelli dress, like
Speaker 1: it was just she was so beautiful and it was
Speaker 1: like Griffith Observatory. So that was gorgeous. And I mean
Speaker 1: this the the production design was amazing. She sounded incredible.
Speaker 1: Check it out. It's on Paramount Plus. What I love
Speaker 1: the most was how relaxed and happy she seems and
Speaker 1: how she was like answering every question being like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think Adele, we always associate with
Speaker 1: like sort of like a frenetic drunk energy, and it
Speaker 1: seems like we're seeing like a more like grown up
Speaker 1: Adele who And you can even tell in her lyrics
Speaker 1: in the way that she delivers it. She's like, look, babe,
Speaker 1: this is music that I love and this is the
Speaker 1: truth and these are my lyrics and this is how
Speaker 1: I've grown up and you're hearing it and she like Taylor, Um.
Speaker 1: I think I love her so much because She's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna live my life and put it out there,
Speaker 1: and like that's that's that's the way I can like
Speaker 1: interact with um. Everybody really is in the music itself,
Speaker 1: you know, because she'll go away for years and then
Speaker 1: come back. And it just made me so excited for
Speaker 1: Friday to get the new music. But I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna love it. You're gonna love the way you look
Speaker 1: when when you listen to it. I guarantee it. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot of culture happening in these next couple
Speaker 1: of months. We're getting into Oscar season. Great music coming
Speaker 1: out that sort of takes us back in time or
Speaker 1: pushes us forward in time. And then, fucking I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it, we got a new Pokemon game coming out.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, talk about the using moment Pokemon. Brilliant Diamond,
Speaker 1: Shining Pearl, that's what it is. It's to we have go.
Speaker 1: We have come far from Blue and Red, We've come
Speaker 1: far from Blue and Well. These are remix of Diamond
Speaker 1: and Pearl that came out in the DS, but this
Speaker 1: in like two thousand six seven. This is a remake
Speaker 1: of Doubt on the Switch. Beautiful new Pokemon to catch
Speaker 1: you can catch your article knows your maltration. They let
Speaker 1: you catch the legendary birds. They can let you catch
Speaker 1: the legendary birds depending on the version you have me,
Speaker 1: you can be caught in this one. If you can
Speaker 1: catch me. You see that that too far from me.
Speaker 1: You might have to download because I know this bitch
Speaker 1: has a switch. You might have to start getting into
Speaker 1: Pokemon again so you and I can battle and trade. Wait,
Speaker 1: I actually would love that. You're probably so much better
Speaker 1: than you have to give me. You have to give
Speaker 1: me a couple of months to get ahead start, I think,
Speaker 1: let me get good again. It's coming out Friday. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited. Okay, wait, if there's a new Pokemon coming out,
Speaker 1: I'm actually excited because I would love to get to
Speaker 1: know the new girls. Because back in the day, back
Speaker 1: in the day when I was start of kicking kicking
Speaker 1: the balls around, there was a hundred fifty one girls,
Speaker 1: and now there's thousands of girls. Now there's almost a thousand.
Speaker 1: But this is that this is going back to generation
Speaker 1: four where they were only maybe and you can that
Speaker 1: you might see some new girls from the future come
Speaker 1: back and travel through time, dear, But it's somewhat manageable,
Speaker 1: and some of the Gen four girls are adorable, powerful iconic.
Speaker 1: There are some icons in the mix, don't get that.
Speaker 1: Let's get that straight. So in terms of so, let's
Speaker 1: say that these those are sort of the new the
Speaker 1: new songs are the old girls still as they say,
Speaker 1: giving it to you carrying like for example, is Squirrel tearing?
Speaker 1: Is Pikachu still tearing? You know what I mean? May
Speaker 1: not you may not see Squirtle, but you will see
Speaker 1: a Pikachu in the wild. Of course, you will see
Speaker 1: the classic girls roll through. Pokemon is you you don't
Speaker 1: understand nostalgia culture as well, but also very forward thinking
Speaker 1: in some ways, but also will remind you why it's
Speaker 1: icon It is it is, Pokemon is is its own diva.
Speaker 1: Pokemon is it is its own and every Pokemon is
Speaker 1: a song. Think of it that way, dear, I really,
Speaker 1: that's That's the way I'm gonna think about it from
Speaker 1: now on. Pokemon is Aretha Franklin and Pikachu is natural woman.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Pikachu's natural woman mews rsp
Speaker 1: as respect and that's it. That's all there is to say.
Speaker 1: Ars Art is dreaming and I'm thinking absolutely absolutely, and
Speaker 1: I would say, Diamond, Diamond and Pearl are the young
Speaker 1: gifted in black of her of her repertoire. And I
Speaker 1: would say, you know what I would say, what I
Speaker 1: really would say is that Pigioto is do right woman,
Speaker 1: do right. That's what I would say. That's really what
Speaker 1: I would say at this moment. If you want to
Speaker 1: do right, oh night woman, you gotta be a do
Speaker 1: right Oh that man? Oh come on, Jigglie puff is
Speaker 1: tell me Pine of Fools and cliff Fable is you're
Speaker 1: bad to thank? Think about to try thank thank Come
Speaker 1: on now, products, come on, products PROCs Aretha brov X
Speaker 1: to us all brod X to us all. Now should
Speaker 1: we talk about housewives? Would you want to? Well? I
Speaker 1: did all I've seen from the adult thing are um
Speaker 1: is that video of Oprah and Lazzo dancing to Hello
Speaker 1: in the audience? Yes. So the crowd was almost entirely
Speaker 1: celebrities in Hollywood tips and I was like, truly l
Speaker 1: O L. They cut to the crowd of Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: was there with his mask like honest train and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we are really exists. I was like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: this is gonna elienate people that are like there was
Speaker 1: an exclusive Adele contentatory. At one point, she goes, I
Speaker 1: only wanted to invite people I really like. And you know,
Speaker 1: some people haven't really made but somebody close friends and
Speaker 1: they cut two and it's like, literally Melissa McCarthy sat
Speaker 1: next to Lizzo. Fucking Aaron Paul is there, rocking back
Speaker 1: and forth doing his thing. Fucking Drake Drake was there, bowen.
Speaker 1: I'm not even getting what kind of was a motley.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting Aaron paulkin to someone else anyway. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Aaron Paul Jesse from Breaking Bad, who looks the same.
Speaker 1: He walked right out of the pages of Breaking Bad
Speaker 1: and onto the grip of the Deservatory to watch a
Speaker 1: del sing hello, I missed that one. I missed I
Speaker 1: missed that one too. You know he's you know, you
Speaker 1: can if you want to watch the third season of
Speaker 1: West World. He was the lead. Oh yes, people don't
Speaker 1: know that. People don't know that. People don't talk about
Speaker 1: West Worlds anymore. But it's you know, doing insane work,
Speaker 1: being what it is. I want to say, I'm laughing
Speaker 1: out loud because Jared just sent me a YouTube video
Speaker 1: of Candice on the Kelly Clarkson Show. Have you seen it?
Speaker 1: And are you laughing just because you are laughing at
Speaker 1: the idea of cannadae? No, no, no, I never laughed
Speaker 1: like that because I know I think drive Back is
Speaker 1: about and a half. Well, did you see that she
Speaker 1: posted like an Instagram story of like some party, some
Speaker 1: like mini concerts she did at some club some in
Speaker 1: some city where she like had like just was doing
Speaker 1: her Beyonce like fat to see. I don't know why
Speaker 1: something like that. That's what you it to say. Well,
Speaker 1: she had two backup dancers, as I was gonna say
Speaker 1: her Beyonce fact simile, but that's not necessarily right. But
Speaker 1: she was doing here Beyonce fagotry with two backup dancers
Speaker 1: behind her to drive Back, fucking going off during the
Speaker 1: bridge with the coreo. And I was like, this is
Speaker 1: fucking awesome. We love Candice Canda's performing drive Back on.
Speaker 1: She says, Kelly Coxton show, Oh my god, different key, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm obsessed. Okay, wait, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's serving conversation snation. That's not what you want. Don't
Speaker 1: do bad bad there's not play. There is Coreo happening, bitch,
Speaker 1: the sun is so good. We need to get her on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next thing and no you're grabbing no mater area. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. It New York Comedy Festival. I came out
Speaker 1: to this song and then the song ended and I
Speaker 1: was like, who knows that song? And the crowd roared,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I knew I had my closest
Speaker 1: friends here tonight. I knew my girls came out to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Come on, this song is so good. Back make it
Speaker 1: that complain, come back, come back. Oh my god, Wait,
Speaker 1: I just want to hear the end of the course,
Speaker 1: even when I can, even when I can. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna make everyone listen to the whole thing, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Candice fucking bodied the Kelly Clarkson Show. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're you and this word body today, I bodied it
Speaker 1: it um. Andy Cohen was at the show and I
Speaker 1: was I was like, I love that he is that
Speaker 1: SNL and anyway, that's all I wanted. Was he standing?
Speaker 1: Was he there to stand Taylor? Was? I think I
Speaker 1: think it was just there to roll through. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's stans Taylor, although maybe like he's never had
Speaker 1: Taylor on, only know he's close with John, very close
Speaker 1: with JM, so who knows. And I said, you know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when she does really speak now, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I want speaking nowt bad, because now
Speaker 1: that I've heard what she did with Red, I really
Speaker 1: want to speak now, because that's another one that doesn't
Speaker 1: get the shine, not that Red Budgiesman is in her top.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, we're getting a forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: dear John, with a feature film attached, and I'm ready
Speaker 1: for it. A three hour long feature film for a
Speaker 1: forty five minutes song, Taylor said. Scorsese vibes. Taylor said,
Speaker 1: this is my good fellas. It's gonna be. It's gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be three blonde women in ball gowns running
Speaker 1: around New Jersey, New York City, fucking killing men, shooting people,
Speaker 1: and her and their trunks and her trunk. De j
Speaker 1: I way for that ship, Oh my god. And you
Speaker 1: know what I'm realizing now she really dated these older guys,
Speaker 1: like she must feel a certain way about this looking
Speaker 1: back being their age. Now She's like, jeez, I'm sure
Speaker 1: she feels some level of like what the fuck. But
Speaker 1: like we've I've been there. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: made a whole habit of dating guys with not even
Speaker 1: just older s precimpally with power over me. And now
Speaker 1: I look back and I'm like, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to tell myself at that age, like you gotta
Speaker 1: not do I not is this therapy? I think it
Speaker 1: gave me a complex anyway, I've just been really, I
Speaker 1: get it, I get it, I get your Taylor. Isn't
Speaker 1: it nice to date? I just highly recommend if people
Speaker 1: haven't tried dating people like on their level. It's not
Speaker 1: that that's what I'm doing right now, but I at
Speaker 1: least I'm dating someone like my own age, which doesn't
Speaker 1: always happen. I that yeah, where I'm like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: gone for like older guys sometimes and it's great, it's fine.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that inherently wrong with it. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: but what does it say about the dynamic? I don't know,
Speaker 1: like the stages you're you know, Here's what i'd say.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's a bad thing
Speaker 1: when there's an age difference. I'm just saying, let's not
Speaker 1: pretend there's not like, stop, this thing of our age
Speaker 1: difference is not something we think about our age difference,
Speaker 1: that we were actually in the same sort of place
Speaker 1: in our lives. Like we don't acknowledge the age difference.
Speaker 1: You should be like you're at a different place in
Speaker 1: your life. It's weird when people say things like the
Speaker 1: age difference is not something we think about or something
Speaker 1: that affects us. Like what I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: just speaking from experience here. But what's important is we
Speaker 1: talk about the Housewives of Potomac reunion and salt like
Speaker 1: thoughts on there on this part of the reunion. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just me. I was obsessed with
Speaker 1: it top to bottom too. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: great reunion. Great reunion where you gotta hug from Karen
Speaker 1: between Karen and ge Zelda was really sweet. Um Ashley
Speaker 1: had a moment a little bit You and Joel are
Speaker 1: a little bit anti Wendy. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something right now. I got in
Speaker 1: Wendy opos d MS today to inviteer onto the show. Okay, teams,
Speaker 1: and when I have if you look around me, I
Speaker 1: have every candlelit I have I have Wendy my own
Speaker 1: I'm looking to my own, my own knee right now.
Speaker 1: The way I laughed at the Home Essentials will have
Speaker 1: a five and seven wink can unprecedented. And then you know,
Speaker 1: you know what Matt Rodgers did that second went to
Speaker 1: I bought two, one for me, one for study. Okay,
Speaker 1: a seven week, five week. I think that is the
Speaker 1: funniest thing, the most funny, like uncomplicated, like it's it's
Speaker 1: not funny because someone's suffering. It's funny because it's just
Speaker 1: funny that she just decided to go over five. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the the Wick War is truly hilarious fun and you
Speaker 1: know what's so pathetic is Mia came out with a
Speaker 1: nine wick candle and it's like a thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, no one is going to buy me
Speaker 1: a candle. They cut to the Mia candle on the
Speaker 1: show like it looks fucking ugly. I'm sorry, I'm very
Speaker 1: I'm very Antia Thornton. Well, let's let's talk about it,
Speaker 1: because you know that she said, well, don't worry because
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be giving girls, these girls any of
Speaker 1: my time. No, bitch, you're fired. Okay, you're fired because
Speaker 1: you're are you act crazy? You don't have any genuine
Speaker 1: friends here. I think it's unfortunate because I think she
Speaker 1: could have figured out being on this show, I really do.
Speaker 1: But she just acted insane like there was there was
Speaker 1: never she never found her bearing or like really committed
Speaker 1: to anything. And then, honestly, I think she made the
Speaker 1: wrong fucking enemy because and this is the star of
Speaker 1: the show, Candice is, and I actually I would be
Speaker 1: curious to think what you thought when they all returning
Speaker 1: to Candice and telling her that she needed to adjust
Speaker 1: her behavior and religion. What were your thoughts on all
Speaker 1: of this? And I would be very curious to hear
Speaker 1: what you thought about when the issue of colorism was raised,
Speaker 1: because I have feelings about it. Well, You've put it
Speaker 1: very eloquently in the past that what's so incredible about
Speaker 1: The Real Housewives is that each city and each franchise
Speaker 1: is about particular important subject. With Um New York, it's alcoholism.
Speaker 1: With Beverly Hills, it's like wealth and status, which is
Speaker 1: like you know in the China, I think, and how
Speaker 1: people in this town in particular, it's about appearances and
Speaker 1: and with Salt Lake, it's about religion. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: watch I don't watch Dallas. I don't know what Dallas
Speaker 1: is about status. But with status with Potomac, it's about colorism.
Speaker 1: I think so. And Ashley Darby is a fucking dumbass
Speaker 1: for what she said last night we're working this on Monday.
Speaker 1: For what she said this week where she was like
Speaker 1: where Wendy asked a perfect question to be like, do
Speaker 1: you think colorism exists in society or something to that effect.
Speaker 1: Now she was like, yes, I do. And then when
Speaker 1: he said do you think colorism exists within this group?
Speaker 1: And she said, no idea. And then when he's like,
Speaker 1: how can you say that? How can you say that
Speaker 1: colorism exists in society but not but that for some
Speaker 1: reason we are innocularly immune to it, Like that makes
Speaker 1: no sense? And the answer is because she does not
Speaker 1: want to cop to her partise. She doesn't in the
Speaker 1: way that it plays out on this show. I mean,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to take accountability for the fact that,
Speaker 1: like you know, and this is what I'll say, is
Speaker 1: Candice more excitable? Is she more active? Is she more animated? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do I think that she sometimes pushes buttons that make
Speaker 1: me started biting my nails. Yes. Do I find her
Speaker 1: to be as dangerous, as aggressive, as unruly as they
Speaker 1: would make it seem. No. And I also think that
Speaker 1: Wendy often fields things from the other women that they
Speaker 1: don't lobby at the light skinned women. That's why Wendy
Speaker 1: and Candice or like this, like you could really tell,
Speaker 1: like especially when they cut to them like during the
Speaker 1: lunch break or whatever, like check in with each other.
Speaker 1: It was like, Oh, this is like a really deep
Speaker 1: connection that they share over this fucked up thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I I think I came away
Speaker 1: from this episode siding with Candice even I mean I
Speaker 1: always go back and forth with her, um, but this time,
Speaker 1: but really just like enjoyed what she I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: part of one was pretty iconic with because what you
Speaker 1: were was because on Gray you were ungrateful. I mean,
Speaker 1: and we said to each other, that is the new
Speaker 1: she was trespassing from the in for reunion. Um. Candice
Speaker 1: just has so many great moments at these reunions that
Speaker 1: I just appreciate that, like, not for being messy or
Speaker 1: for being like I mean, yeah it's messy, but I
Speaker 1: just think she um, she's just a very dynamic chaos
Speaker 1: agent on the show. The way that feels more exciting
Speaker 1: to me than Gazelle and Karen. I mean, I am
Speaker 1: sick of that stuff too. With Candice, it's like like
Speaker 1: her going to the kitchen, chasing down Ashley Darby in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and the Williamsburg House being like, why the
Speaker 1: fund did you do that? I love that ship. I
Speaker 1: love when someone just like runs after someone and and
Speaker 1: just goes what was the point of that? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I want to do that all the time, and I
Speaker 1: aspire to a Candice Dillard Bassett level of just like, hey,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I think that Candice and Wendy are
Speaker 1: by far the most dynamic characters on the show. And
Speaker 1: I think that. Look, I love Andy Cohen and like,
Speaker 1: I think he does great for the world. I think
Speaker 1: he was getting annoyed with her in a way that
Speaker 1: he should understand. I hope he gets that what he
Speaker 1: has with her, because she is truly important on this show. Yes,
Speaker 1: because Candice, you can tell like like almost like like
Speaker 1: they get under each other's skin. And I think Andy
Speaker 1: likes it, But but I question it because it seems
Speaker 1: like he does get his feathers ruffled a little bit
Speaker 1: like with her, and I think that he reacts to
Speaker 1: her a lot. He does, and I think that what
Speaker 1: he needs to understand is that's good like and I
Speaker 1: don't think her places in jeopardy. But when Karen was like,
Speaker 1: you better change the way you behavior. People are just
Speaker 1: gonna tune you out, I was like, is that some
Speaker 1: sort of threat? Do you think that I love Karen Hugo,
Speaker 1: But do you think that you're like at the level
Speaker 1: on this show that like what anything you say is
Speaker 1: going to make the fans feel a different way about Candice.
Speaker 1: I get that Candice is divisive, but Candice's fans ride hard,
Speaker 1: and I know them, I'm one of them, and I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, let's not gaslight this person into trying
Speaker 1: to think that the things she's experiencing are not real.
Speaker 1: Because when he said to her, you were almost attacked
Speaker 1: last year, I was like, almost attacked without yeah, and
Speaker 1: then without goes and that's my fault that I was attacked.
Speaker 1: Then she kind of like changed the framing of that,
Speaker 1: the phrasing just being like I was and almost my fault. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: One of maybe the most violent altercation and Housewives history.
Speaker 1: Absolutely one of one of the blood was dropped, like, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: if Candice has if Candice has issues with quote unquote
Speaker 1: anger management, she should and will deal with it. But
Speaker 1: let's not pretend like anything she's doing is warranting any
Speaker 1: of the physical altercations that have been levied against her.
Speaker 1: And for Giselle to say like, had had Mia pop Chu,
Speaker 1: I would have been like shoulder shrug when last year
Speaker 1: she was like bringing security to fucking coffee events that
Speaker 1: Monique Briant, I don't know. And then and then I
Speaker 1: was happy to see some progression with her, like in
Speaker 1: her narrative, but we see through it with her, we
Speaker 1: see through it. And also for her to sit there
Speaker 1: and say that, I was like, wow, the gas lighting
Speaker 1: that Candice experiences on this franchise is not acceptable. And
Speaker 1: if she chooses to leave the show, everyone on it
Speaker 1: will have fucked up. That's what m g Zel was.
Speaker 1: Is there growth because they feel like we're just kind
Speaker 1: of she's been spitting her wheels on the show. It's
Speaker 1: always about Jamal and someone It's it's just it's never
Speaker 1: there's no progression. It's always about like her being like
Speaker 1: fully lonely with her daughters. I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: sad to me, um and I just it's it's so
Speaker 1: deeply irrit hitting me that she can't take it. She
Speaker 1: can always she can always dish it, never, never refuses
Speaker 1: to talk about this guy she was dating. Then she
Speaker 1: ended up breaking up with, like even though she pried
Speaker 1: into everyone else's ship. The way that she defended her
Speaker 1: bringing up the Eddie rumors was that was fucking brainless
Speaker 1: to me and Wendy being like Wendy breaking it down perfectly,
Speaker 1: being like that blog is maybe read by hundreds of people,
Speaker 1: you brought it onto this platform that is watched by millions.
Speaker 1: How do you think that makes me feel? That was
Speaker 1: just like short circuits so messy. Giselle like that's like
Speaker 1: she knows she's been on the show long enough to
Speaker 1: know that like that like has like impact and imp
Speaker 1: like like that like can ruin a marriage so fucked up.
Speaker 1: I will publicly say that I bow and Yang hate
Speaker 1: Giselle brun not since Ramona Singer, I like deeply disdained
Speaker 1: a like have to have have had deep disdain for
Speaker 1: a housewife. This is how I think we get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of the situation. Because she's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: She her and Karen like that is the central that
Speaker 1: is like a central plotline of the show. Robbin's Gotta
Speaker 1: Go because you need to cut Giselle's lackey off and
Speaker 1: the Robin storyline if it's not done, it's too sad
Speaker 1: to watch. She needs either a break or she needs
Speaker 1: to be let go. And we got some new people
Speaker 1: in here. I don't think that will happen, but I
Speaker 1: do think that that's a way we can get to
Speaker 1: the core of Gazelle a little more because in the
Speaker 1: character study of Giselle Bryant, I do think there was
Speaker 1: some movement forward because we got her to admit that
Speaker 1: she's got a lot of guards up as a defense
Speaker 1: mechanism because she's been very, very hurt, and she refuses
Speaker 1: to get emotional because she has to be strong. And
Speaker 1: I do understand therapist man like once every two years,
Speaker 1: it's right, And the thing is like, what to see
Speaker 1: her get emotional about Karen. I was like, maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Maybe we just need to isolate this
Speaker 1: a little bit more to Karen and Giselle and sort
Speaker 1: of figure out what what what it is there, because
Speaker 1: the fact is this, Giselle does not see Robin as
Speaker 1: an equal no, and that is allowing her too always
Speaker 1: have excuses and always have justifications because Robin is never
Speaker 1: going to not give her that and to form theories
Speaker 1: out of nothing that just distract from her own pain.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the whole Wendy thing. Like she like
Speaker 1: basically like was bored twiddling her thumbs at home, not
Speaker 1: being able to teach your kids how to drive, and
Speaker 1: then going, let me just like actually propagate this horrible
Speaker 1: rumor about Wendy that has no basis in fact a reputable,
Speaker 1: incredible blog. Yeah. And also when Wendy was like, when
Speaker 1: the time comes, make sure you apologize to my children,
Speaker 1: and just all was like, why would I have to
Speaker 1: apologize to them? And that in and of itself says
Speaker 1: it all. She can't understand and that what she's done
Speaker 1: is one day Wendy's kids, when they stumble upon narratives
Speaker 1: in this show, are going to have to see that
Speaker 1: there were rumors that their father was unfaithful to their mother.
Speaker 1: So don't don't don't come around here being like my children,
Speaker 1: my children, my children, with such blatant disregard for the
Speaker 1: feelings and well being of one of your castmates children.
Speaker 1: And that's flat out so I thought Wendy was so
Speaker 1: on point this whole time. She's been great. And by
Speaker 1: the way, Wendy o Cepo has just liked my comment.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, would love to join you and Bowen
Speaker 1: if your producer can send an email, she says him,
Speaker 1: Matt hopefully God. First, thank you so much for purchasing
Speaker 1: the candles. I'm so grateful for your support. Asked for
Speaker 1: the podcast? How awesome is that? Yes, would love to
Speaker 1: join you and Bowen if your producer contended an email
Speaker 1: over to my team, they can assist with scheduling and
Speaker 1: the sticks. Super excited looking forward to it. This is
Speaker 1: happening in real time. I'm saying, I can't tell you
Speaker 1: how thrilled we are. Email is incoming. Oh my God,
Speaker 1: tell her, as a child of immigrants of insane immigrant
Speaker 1: parents that she is my favorite housewife ever. Well, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get to tell her bib because she's gonna come
Speaker 1: on next week or the week after. And how about
Speaker 1: them a pless Wow, unbelievable. How awesome is to ask
Speaker 1: for the podcast? How awesome is that? Literally? Hello? Well hello?
Speaker 1: Then when celebrate that, and then I'm so our first housewife,
Speaker 1: our first house life and not a better person. But
Speaker 1: um fucking how did she she put the Wendy Stepho
Speaker 1: inflection on. She said, but baby, baby, no conversation needed
Speaker 1: or whatever it was she said. She said, no editing
Speaker 1: needed or whatever, or no real exciting because the question
Speaker 1: was do you rehearse your rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, no rehearsal
Speaker 1: need did some people have it? And Wendy has it
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see that she has got it, which
Speaker 1: comes on podcast Last Cultures. Wow not wait, wow, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. You know, Matt and I our own individual
Speaker 1: one candles to OHI to the way we bought. We
Speaker 1: lit them in Ohi the way. My entire place smells
Speaker 1: like only Home Essentials. And I told you about the
Speaker 1: Luxury Fragrance spray. The Luxury Frager spray is where it's at.
Speaker 1: She gave you what she wrote you, a hand written
Speaker 1: No she did not write anyone, No she didn't, but
Speaker 1: that's what I think that she only wrote. Bought the
Speaker 1: full line. I've now spent almost five at the Wendy O.
Speaker 1: Cfo On Home Essential Store, so I do believe I
Speaker 1: deserved the handwritten note. You absolutely do. And I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I do too. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed that I did not go all in.
Speaker 1: Oh my, get the handwritten Wendy. She's gonna come on
Speaker 1: and she's going to talk to us about what it
Speaker 1: was like with NICKI minaj. Oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: too good anyway, this is absolutely the apex of the
Speaker 1: Potoma conversation. So to be continued, and let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Salt Lake City Housewives episode
Speaker 1: that I believe is one of the best Housewives episodes
Speaker 1: of all time. Andy Cohen promised us one of the best,
Speaker 1: one of the top five. I no lies, no fucking lies.
Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing was edited like it was
Speaker 1: fucking like true crime, Like there glitchy title cards and
Speaker 1: ship like I was screaming. But the time, the time
Speaker 1: stands were so important. This was the episode where jen
Speaker 1: Shaw gets arrested for wire fraud, um and I think,
Speaker 1: among other things. But when they were breaking let's just
Speaker 1: say this, when they were when Heather Gay was breaking
Speaker 1: down in the car as Whitney is rubbing her back,
Speaker 1: saying fraud. It's fraud frod Whitney, Whitney was herself. Whitney
Speaker 1: has cemented herself as one of the all time greats.
Speaker 1: Talk about someone, I don't think it's suspicious at all
Speaker 1: that she knows. I think she's she's just like she's smart.
Speaker 1: She knows about how the world works. Like, don't say
Speaker 1: that it's suspicious, like if Jenny fucking doesn't know how anything,
Speaker 1: like which way is up? Lisa is a dumbass. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'll say it like Lil Lisa Barlow also was iconic
Speaker 1: to me. No, I was actually very my whole opinions.
Speaker 1: As soon as she starts sobbing for Stu, I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't feel bad for Stu after you just found out
Speaker 1: that they've been fraud like wire frauding so many elderly
Speaker 1: they feel bad for their families. But I look, here's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When I think Lusa Barlow is iconic.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's morally standing up right, but was
Speaker 1: iconic when she when they cut to all six of
Speaker 1: her phone calls with her lawyers, and every version, every
Speaker 1: version of it was her saying I'm literally making or
Speaker 1: literally ship I mean yeah, I mean literally talk about
Speaker 1: a meme like like she was giving you everything you needed.
Speaker 1: She was, she was entertaining. I just think, like, I
Speaker 1: don't really like you as a person anymore, even though
Speaker 1: you were fine fine. I will say that the winner
Speaker 1: of the episode, it's a tie between Whitney and Meredith,
Speaker 1: who face times them, learns about learns about all this,
Speaker 1: and her first her knee jerk responses, I'm not surprised anyway.
Speaker 1: Can't we just see you girls by give her the
Speaker 1: middle snowflake at this time. Yeah, the girls are all
Speaker 1: really competing for the middle snowflake because they're all sort
Speaker 1: of tearing each other parts together. It this, I will
Speaker 1: say the the Mary arriving and finding Meredith in the
Speaker 1: bathtub with the class of Champagne. I was like, see
Speaker 1: this is how you do staged housewives bullshit. That feels
Speaker 1: exactly right. I was like, I think, I think, because
Speaker 1: I do think in watching it, I think Meredith stage
Speaker 1: is quite a bit, but it feels iconic, and she's
Speaker 1: rarely and she's rarely dressed, not iconically her in that
Speaker 1: little pink dress that she got it wowles, she says
Speaker 1: after turns up the phone. She's not surprised about the
Speaker 1: whole thing. She then her revealing on camera that Jen,
Speaker 1: one of Jen's people, stole from her store six months prior.
Speaker 1: She can't stand Jen, hates Jen, never wanted to reconcile
Speaker 1: with Jen. Wouldn't have done it have they not been
Speaker 1: on a show, And now that she has an excuse,
Speaker 1: she says, I'm vindicated. Everyone set the funk down. I've
Speaker 1: been saying this person is a iconic evil man. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Jen's like, isn't it so chilling to watch back?
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they played it again. I guess in
Speaker 1: the previously um package, but like the way She's like,
Speaker 1: Shreef has internal bleeding and I'm like, you're lying, You're lying.
Speaker 1: She was lying, and you know what on watching What
Speaker 1: Happens Live this Heather Gay like she's a writer or
Speaker 1: die friend for better or worse? Because Andy Kohin was like,
Speaker 1: how can you defend her doing that? And she goes,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows what we were doing that situation,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I can't defend it. I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: there are real victims here, and she lied to your face,
Speaker 1: which shows you that she would have done the same thing.
Speaker 1: To you. Absolutely, And it's not an Erica comparison because
Speaker 1: it's like there's a there's there's evidence, there was an investigation.
Speaker 1: It's like it's there. She was put in handcuffs, she
Speaker 1: went to a fucking detend she was in custody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Erica was not charged with a crime exactly. This is
Speaker 1: completely in a different league. Like she's a fucking criminal
Speaker 1: and a harmful, vicious one at that. And this is
Speaker 1: what I said, praying on vulnerable people. Yes, so so
Speaker 1: when they showed when Meredith was like, it didn't bother
Speaker 1: me that the bag got stolen, it bothered me that
Speaker 1: she kept someone who stole from my store on her staff.
Speaker 1: Because Jenshaw doesn't care about moral character. She cares about loyalty.
Speaker 1: When you were loyal to someone who has no moral character, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no question her and her entire group are criminals.
Speaker 1: They're dangerous. These women need to separate themselves from her immediately.
Speaker 1: It's not like Erica, where it's like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: some question about whether or not the women should have
Speaker 1: on Beverly Hill should have been worried. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is really fucked up, and a lot of these
Speaker 1: women do business with each other. Yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, there's a writer or die friend for
Speaker 1: better or for worse. It's only for worse for me.
Speaker 1: Where it's like, I think you're really but I would
Speaker 1: do it for you. I would. I would. I would
Speaker 1: do it for you. I really would. And you're a
Speaker 1: very bad criminal, but I would do it for you too.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say that neither of us would
Speaker 1: do this. But if I would not come to this
Speaker 1: because we we would not do this because you and
Speaker 1: I I know, I know that you have moral bitch
Speaker 1: you are you are actually a moral icon. So true,
Speaker 1: so true, and likewise, thank you. We're both we're both winking.
Speaker 1: We're both winking at each other so much our eyes
Speaker 1: are gonna find I think we're I think we're morally
Speaker 1: we're both morally we are not the morally cored up
Speaker 1: to fare. We are morally sound going young and Matt
Speaker 1: Rogers but on the on the watch What Happens Live
Speaker 1: episode and he was like, wow, like you're really like
Speaker 1: going hard for Heather goes. You know what, this is
Speaker 1: how I want to show up in the world. That's
Speaker 1: a good friend. And I was like, all right now.
Speaker 1: Now she's done. I mean, like, all right, congratulations to
Speaker 1: head there. She got the Rihanna follower in the first season,
Speaker 1: but now it's all over. That is a thing. Whenever
Speaker 1: they're like, your life's amazing, Rihanna, DM do, I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: that means nothing. It means nothing. I means she got
Speaker 1: stoned one nine and was this She's like, I'm famous
Speaker 1: enough to DM any woman I see on TV and
Speaker 1: have them like freak the funk out, Like that's just
Speaker 1: that's that's more of a Rihanna thing than it is
Speaker 1: a youth thing. So for Heather, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you are really not doing this well. You don't understand.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately to use this phrase the assignment and Whitney is
Speaker 1: really I fucking love that chills. I have the chills.
Speaker 1: I'm numb. I'm numb numb when she goes. I mean
Speaker 1: I had a sugar daddy. She her timing and just
Speaker 1: everything she's done in confessionals from those so like the
Speaker 1: act outs to the jokes like she's I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't even think like anyone's like writing this ship
Speaker 1: for her. I think she's just like a funny, smart,
Speaker 1: quick person. Clearly, Like on the bus, she was just
Speaker 1: kind of like schooling all these fucking women. And she's
Speaker 1: got everyone pressed because she's in conflict with Mary and
Speaker 1: Lisa and has been in it with Jim. She's actually
Speaker 1: right at the center. She's right, that's the center, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's queen behavior, it's queendom, it's it's queendom.
Speaker 1: Between between her and Meredith, they are not they are
Speaker 1: contenders for next year's Queendom Award. They're actually when Whendy
Speaker 1: comes on the pod, which will happen, she will she
Speaker 1: will receive the Queendom Award. That's if that's like if
Speaker 1: that like is like a bait that I can throw
Speaker 1: out there, Whitney, if you come on the show, you'll
Speaker 1: win the Queendom Award. You will win the Queendom Meredith, Meredith,
Speaker 1: Meredith Mars will also win the Queendom Award. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, she's honorary Queendom. By the way, when are
Speaker 1: we doing the why Well, it's sort of like a
Speaker 1: it's sort of a really good question, and I think
Speaker 1: later maybe it's a maybe I think I know you're
Speaker 1: saying later in a way that is a fun, you know,
Speaker 1: tease for the readers. But I feel like it might
Speaker 1: be a year end thing, possibly, I think so, I think,
Speaker 1: who can say? You know what I mean? We certainly
Speaker 1: can't say. We can't say, and yet we're the only
Speaker 1: ones who can say, And so that's sort of where
Speaker 1: we're at. What I will say is that I have
Speaker 1: not read the nominees in a while, and I'm married,
Speaker 1: and I'm stressed that I will read these again and
Speaker 1: be like, well, none of this. Here's here's what I
Speaker 1: would say about the list of nominees. It already doesn't
Speaker 1: hold up in an iconic way, and um, why why, wait,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Specifically? I think that our
Speaker 1: nominations leader isn't actually a lot of real trouble, and
Speaker 1: we send a lot of well wishes her way, and
Speaker 1: hopefully she returns to public life soon. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be in good taste to do the
Speaker 1: last cultu Risco's Culture Awards while our nominations leader seems
Speaker 1: to be in flux in her personal life and such
Speaker 1: a fashion. Are we saying and yes, I echo, are
Speaker 1: the well wishes you've just put out there? Absolutely are
Speaker 1: we saying that we cancel. I'm saying, I'm saying we
Speaker 1: haven't made that decision yet. But if we're waiting on
Speaker 1: our nominations, Lee, are our nominations leader to get better?
Speaker 1: I don't know that we can expect that in the
Speaker 1: sh think I think that we will have an off
Speaker 1: camera discussion, off reader Mike discussion about this because I
Speaker 1: think I think there's a way we can salvage it.
Speaker 1: And it's iconic, okay, and it's actually I think we
Speaker 1: needed to do all the time. But but moving on,
Speaker 1: let's just say in terms in terms of people that
Speaker 1: if we're talking culture before we get to I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, and sort of do that. If we're
Speaker 1: talking culture and people that we wished well and that
Speaker 1: we were concerned for, Let's just say the conservatorship is over,
Speaker 1: Britney Spears is free, and I think as a public
Speaker 1: that we can just and I think everyone is thinking this,
Speaker 1: we just cannot repeat old mistakes. I think we just
Speaker 1: leave this woman alone. Leave her alone. She never wants
Speaker 1: to perform again, that's her prerogative, Okay, come on, I
Speaker 1: think there is something to maybe investigate with the current
Speaker 1: boyfriend you potentially, I mean, maybe like I just let's
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, but if she seems happy,
Speaker 1: I think what I want now is to just give
Speaker 1: her her full autonomy do whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's fiance and we will see
Speaker 1: where the where the chips fall. But for right now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's important that we at least give her
Speaker 1: a fucking chance. So we're giving her the chance. And
Speaker 1: it's not even it's not even up to any of
Speaker 1: us to be like she deserves a chance. No, that's
Speaker 1: what this whole thing was about, Like, let's take our
Speaker 1: fucking opinions out of it, Let's take our judgment and
Speaker 1: voyeurism out of it. She's a human being who deserves
Speaker 1: to do whatever the hell she wants. And you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately we will all see what happens. But fortunately she's
Speaker 1: given that opportunity. And that's how I feel about it
Speaker 1: at this time. Do you want a morning show plot update? Yes?
Speaker 1: I always do. What are the third graders writing this time?
Speaker 1: The third graders are yet again on one. So if
Speaker 1: you last heard is the teacher? Are they are they
Speaker 1: still even at school? Are they meeting up? I feel
Speaker 1: like this is what are you're about to tell me
Speaker 1: is gonna be so crazy that I'm like, well, they
Speaker 1: must be meeting up at like you know, fucking Tanners
Speaker 1: house or something, eating pizza, just like just really going crazy.
Speaker 1: The teachers on the room. Like last time you gave
Speaker 1: me the update was like the teacher left. I think
Speaker 1: the teacher left, and I think comes back to the
Speaker 1: classroom drunk. I think the teacher leaves. I think the
Speaker 1: teacher leaves during the day, gets drunk at Applebee's at
Speaker 1: the bar during the day. It comes at the end
Speaker 1: of the comes at the end of the day and
Speaker 1: read what they've written, and it's like, this is the
Speaker 1: Greg you kid, I love you guys, great writers, and
Speaker 1: I think that that is the only explanation for what
Speaker 1: has gone down on the show. But the kids aren't
Speaker 1: even at the school anymore, is what I'm saying. There's
Speaker 1: no there's the rules are the rules? The rules keep
Speaker 1: falling away, Okay, so tell me. It's like when you
Speaker 1: get excited about a project to school and you actually
Speaker 1: are excited enough to take it home and work on it.
Speaker 1: I think what you're I think what you're saying is
Speaker 1: they're drunk. Teacher is giving them affirmations and they're really excited,
Speaker 1: and they've worked themselves up into a frenzy to the
Speaker 1: point where they can write two weeks ago that Steve
Speaker 1: Carrell drives off a cliff. Steve Carrell is dead. So
Speaker 1: they actually there was a great episode last week, which
Speaker 1: is them all reeling from the news that Steve Carell
Speaker 1: is dead. And I actually left last week thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this actually is a good episode. I'm I'm with it.
Speaker 1: Jennifer ANSTI continues to do great work. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: No one's doing bad work on the cast. Everyone's doing
Speaker 1: great work. Okay, it is the writing that's a zoo
Speaker 1: in the best way. I mean, this is my favorite show.
Speaker 1: I literally I look forward to it every week. A
Speaker 1: lot happens on this last episode. Jennifer Aniston basically gets
Speaker 1: canceled because it comes out that she fucked Steve Correll
Speaker 1: a couple of times and then went to Italy to
Speaker 1: go see him and write out COVID. So no, no,
Speaker 1: so they don't. So again, this is a world where
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston, knowing that Italy is a hotspot, flies to Italy,
Speaker 1: goes to Steve Correll asked him to debunk a rumor
Speaker 1: that they had sex. He's like, so you want me
Speaker 1: to lie. She's like, yeah, I want you to fucking lie.
Speaker 1: Then they have like a whole night together. They don't
Speaker 1: sleep together, but it's very clear that they are in
Speaker 1: love and made for each other. She ends up leaving,
Speaker 1: falling asleep with the wheel and needing to pull over.
Speaker 1: You think maybe she's gonna get into a car accident. No,
Speaker 1: it's Steve Correll who drives off a cliff and dies.
Speaker 1: She flies to America, gets off the plane and is
Speaker 1: told immediately upon landing that he's dead. So she has
Speaker 1: a breakdown, goes to his wife's house, apologizes. On the
Speaker 1: way there, has a huge fight with um duplas. That
Speaker 1: was iconic. They're just screaming each other in the car
Speaker 1: and then the sound cuts out, so we're just watching
Speaker 1: them have meltdowns. Iconic. Oh, they do that when films
Speaker 1: and TV do that. Yeah. So Jennifer Aniston gets to
Speaker 1: Steve Carell's wife, who's Mbeth David's, and tells her I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you this is about to come out
Speaker 1: in the book, and also, by the way, he's dead.
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, thanks for telling me, and then she's like,
Speaker 1: I want to apologize, and she's like, you knew me,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to fuck him, and she's like, it
Speaker 1: only happened twice, and she goes, oh, only twice, and
Speaker 1: she's like, get the funk out of here. Jennifer Aniston's
Speaker 1: back is hurting. She she you can tell she has
Speaker 1: so much stress that's it's carrying up in her back.
Speaker 1: She can't believe her life. So she comes back from
Speaker 1: Italy and it is fully working in the morning show studio. Okay,
Speaker 1: So meanwhile everyone's there, Julianna margin Lass in the throes
Speaker 1: of a lesbian level fair with a k a. Bradley
Speaker 1: Jackson who used to be Bradley Jackson, but now it's
Speaker 1: fully just Reese blonde hair, Reese with this accent. Raley
Speaker 1: Jackson's kind of gone, but we still stand and we
Speaker 1: still love it. Her and Julianna Margatie's have about six
Speaker 1: percent chemistry, but we are buying them as lesbian lovers
Speaker 1: because we have to. We have to. So Reese's alcoholic
Speaker 1: brother played by Yes Sarah Barellis's husband, the guy from
Speaker 1: Mayor vest Town. Oh he's so good. Joe Tippett great
Speaker 1: great actor. He drunkenly shows up. He's relapsed. He embarrasses
Speaker 1: her at work and she puts him in a rehab
Speaker 1: and has to walk away. And that's actually affecting stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Jennifer Aniston in a book published by Marsha Ka Harden,
Speaker 1: it's it's come to light that she fucked Steve Carrell.
Speaker 1: So it looks like she's not going to be canceled.
Speaker 1: But then footage of her admitting that she went to
Speaker 1: Italy to go see him leaks because she said she
Speaker 1: announces this at Steve Carrell's memorial, and of course someone
Speaker 1: was filming it at this small memorial, it leaks online.
Speaker 1: How could she not know that? Whatever? Alright, so she
Speaker 1: didn't know the third graders are on one. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of bait and switch in like the last ten
Speaker 1: minutes to the episode. So she wakes up in a
Speaker 1: cold sweat one night and she looks at Twitter and
Speaker 1: she's being canceled on Twitter. Furious, she goes to run
Speaker 1: over to get her phone or something, trips on a shoe,
Speaker 1: hits her head on the desk, wakes up in a hospital.
Speaker 1: They say surprise. We says to you, you have COVID
Speaker 1: and she goes ah and clutches her head, and then
Speaker 1: it cuts to the rest of the hospital, which is
Speaker 1: like obviously going crazy with COVID, and you basically leave
Speaker 1: the episode knowing that she's exposed her entire call it
Speaker 1: her entire workplace, and all the cast that we know
Speaker 1: in love to COVID, they all definitely have COVID. That's
Speaker 1: how we are going into the tenth and final episode
Speaker 1: of season two. In the Morning Show, Jennifer Anderson has
Speaker 1: brought Jennifer Anderson is a super spreader who brought COVID
Speaker 1: back from Italy after Steve pro Dove buff a cliff
Speaker 1: and she trips or her fucking lubaton, hits her head
Speaker 1: on the desk, wakes up with COVID in the hospital
Speaker 1: and now mama, it's March thirteen. The worst part is
Speaker 1: she's canceled. She's canceled, canceled, canceled. Can you do your
Speaker 1: impression of her finding out that she has COVID again?
Speaker 1: She goes not just so she wakes up in the
Speaker 1: hospital and she oh, who's Her head hurts and she
Speaker 1: goes and her phone's ring and she goes hello, and
Speaker 1: they go hey, sorry about what happened. She goes, oh
Speaker 1: what happened? They go, you hit your head. We know
Speaker 1: your assistant is not there because she can't be there
Speaker 1: because not allowed in the hospital. What am I canceled?
Speaker 1: And they go, yeah, sorry about that too, but it's
Speaker 1: really sorry about the other thing. She goes, what what else?
Speaker 1: And they go, they did a test. You're positive for
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. And she goes and she like burrows into
Speaker 1: her pillow and like I think, covers her head with
Speaker 1: the pillow, and the camera pans over the rest of
Speaker 1: the hospital in a frenzy. The third graders are giving
Speaker 1: everything they could give. It's it is my favorite show.
Speaker 1: I have to really commend the third graders for the
Speaker 1: bait and switch of you think it's Jen who's going
Speaker 1: to drive off is going to have an accident, but
Speaker 1: classic classic. I think I think I think that I
Speaker 1: think the third graders just watched the season six finale
Speaker 1: Greys Anatomy, when you think it is about to die
Speaker 1: but then you find out it's George instead. I think
Speaker 1: it's very that. I think I think that I think
Speaker 1: the teacher who was drunk showed everybody that episode and
Speaker 1: I see Sometimes you can have one character that you
Speaker 1: make people think it's going to die, but really it's
Speaker 1: this other character who out of nowhere dies. I think
Speaker 1: that's the class. You know, what's happening. The third graders
Speaker 1: are using their imaginations, and I think it's a testament
Speaker 1: to imagination. The Morning Show is a testament to imagination.
Speaker 1: It's actually a real culture. Number say in the one
Speaker 1: The Morning Show. The Morning is the testament imagine nation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely king, that is what's happening on the Morning Show. Um,
Speaker 1: I am absolutely devastated that next week is the final episode.
Speaker 1: It is my favorite show on television, and I will
Speaker 1: be devastated when it's over. But the good news is
Speaker 1: I can watch it again and again, and I will.
Speaker 1: You can watch it again and again, and there will
Speaker 1: be other shows that you will love. I promise you
Speaker 1: this a lot of great shows coming out, lots of
Speaker 1: good stuff coming out, and films I heard being The
Speaker 1: Ricardo is actually good, Okay, great. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see it. I can't wait. Is it time? Unless there's
Speaker 1: nothing else, I think that it might be time for
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, I think it might be right.
Speaker 1: I think so, honey, So I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Is that woman a segment that we do when we
Speaker 1: read have to get something in culture for sixty seconds
Speaker 1: and I have something. I am so excited you have something.
Speaker 1: Let me pull up the clock. This is Matt Rodgers
Speaker 1: is I don't think so honey. As time starts now, sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Karaoke. So Sudie Green had
Speaker 1: Alanic birthday party the other night where we did karaoke,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, as you can hear in my voice, that
Speaker 1: is completely gone. I don't think so honey karaoke. There
Speaker 1: is not a healthy way to do it. There is
Speaker 1: not a circumstance where you can leave feeling good physically
Speaker 1: about the way your throat feels. So another thing is emotionally.
Speaker 1: It's always a question mark because karaoke you can't really
Speaker 1: hear yourself, so you don't know the vocals are good.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey karaoke. There's always that one
Speaker 1: song you want to do that's not on the list.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey karaoke because sometimes the books
Speaker 1: are so big and you're flipping through them and you
Speaker 1: just simply can't find I can never decide what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. I don't think so honey karaoke because a
Speaker 1: lot of these karaoke places don't have their own alcohol
Speaker 1: to B y O B. So I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey that. I don't think so honey by B. Culture
Speaker 1: have things. I don't think so honey karaoke really, mainly
Speaker 1: because it has taken my voice and I want it
Speaker 1: back so that I can sing again. I don't think
Speaker 1: so that's one minute. I'm so sorry, queen that it
Speaker 1: took something you love to do away from you. It
Speaker 1: is in theory fun, but it really karaoke culture is
Speaker 1: shouting culture, and that is harmful culture. It's self harm.
Speaker 1: Karaokee is self harm. That's role of culture. Number nine.
Speaker 1: Karaoke is self harm harm. And look, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for what I would what I would
Speaker 1: term karaoke people. But I'm also very scared of him,
Speaker 1: because how you could put yourself in a state of
Speaker 1: abuse again and again and again is shocking. I will
Speaker 1: say that I did see some stars at karaoke, Sudie
Speaker 1: Green and Amanda Shakman saying tell him by Seleen Dion
Speaker 1: and Barbara Streizing. I've never seen anything like it. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. They're the Selene and Barbara of our generation. Yes,
Speaker 1: those two. Yes, a manastructment is our Selene Barbara. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was so wonderful to see it so well matched.
Speaker 1: And I did have so much fun. And also I
Speaker 1: would say out loud, Sudie, I had so much fun
Speaker 1: at your birthday. It was just the physical effects I
Speaker 1: felt afterwards that have me saying, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Karaoke and any of my best friends they could say,
Speaker 1: my birthday is that put this thing in here that
Speaker 1: you don't like doing, and I would be there, honey,
Speaker 1: to the bitter end. And I was there until when
Speaker 1: I am singing La La by Ashley Simpson, a song
Speaker 1: that no one can sing without getting hurt, and I'm
Speaker 1: doing it. You sang the most dangerous song in the world,
Speaker 1: seven Rings, Seven Rings, and I was saying, La La
Speaker 1: by Astley Simpson is literally screaming, yeah, it's it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I I can't even try to do it right now
Speaker 1: because it's crazy. I also did careless whisper, I did
Speaker 1: um we we did wildest dreams, simply not in my key.
Speaker 1: And that's that's another thing is it's hard to find
Speaker 1: a song in your key, and the fun songs you
Speaker 1: want to do as a gay man are we men's songs,
Speaker 1: and so you have to scream them and then you're hurting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I still take it over you giving La
Speaker 1: la because it feels like that Blades of Glory thing
Speaker 1: where it's like it's that trick that nobody has been
Speaker 1: able to do without killing the other person. You know,
Speaker 1: like no one's exactly do it a lot. You are.
Speaker 1: It's playing as war. It's that same sort of high
Speaker 1: risk situation, and I commend you. I'm glad you're okay.
Speaker 1: We kind of sang La la as a group, which
Speaker 1: I think hurt everyone. You know. Actually I sang it
Speaker 1: and I could see everyone afterwards like everyone had been
Speaker 1: at war. They were all like rubbing their So it's
Speaker 1: like sort of like doing like like you know, with karaoke,
Speaker 1: there's always another song on the docket and you gotta
Speaker 1: just pick it up and keep moving. But it's tough
Speaker 1: and it hurts, and sometimes birthday parties hurt. And I
Speaker 1: would do it for my sisters, and I would do
Speaker 1: it every time for my sisters. That's you are STU
Speaker 1: level loyal. I'm still I'm Heather Gay. I'm not here
Speaker 1: being like you're heading if Andy es, can you defend
Speaker 1: that studio a karake birthday? I said, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: she wants to do karaoke. She enjoys karaoke, and I would.
Speaker 1: I would shout my way through any song and pay
Speaker 1: for it for two days, um every time, every time?
Speaker 1: Who do you identify with the most? Now? Between the
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Housewives, Lisa, I don't think you're a Heather. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're Lisa Lisa. I'm Lisa and I wear it is
Speaker 1: a badge of honor. I think I might be Meredith.
Speaker 1: You are. We are at least you are huh. We
Speaker 1: are at Lisa and Meredith and your friendship one is
Speaker 1: like cool one is doing a little bit too much. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: if there's ever a conflict that they're going to get
Speaker 1: through it. You are a fashion icon. I do want
Speaker 1: to just huge huge TETs. One has gorgeous, humongous TETs.
Speaker 1: You have that low you have that that low voice,
Speaker 1: the lang vocal sort of quality. Yea, and my kids
Speaker 1: one day, if I have them, are going to exist
Speaker 1: on a combination of McDonald's del Taco and RBS, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna start a business about wolves. I don't like
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a it's like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's like it's like grooming products. And I
Speaker 1: heard it's pretty good. Actually, okay, I gotta get some
Speaker 1: fresh here. I am spending five at Only Home Essentials.
Speaker 1: I gotta buy some fresh Wolf. I think I would
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I'm gonna do a product review. I will
Speaker 1: say this to Wendy stuff. I'm so excited she's coming on.
Speaker 1: The only Housewives product I've bought is one I have.
Speaker 1: I've not bought Brooks Marks, I have not bought fresh Wolves,
Speaker 1: haven't bought any you know Lisa Reynist stuff or you know.
Speaker 1: I I really God, I loved you stuff of so much.
Speaker 1: I can't say the same. In terms of product consumption.
Speaker 1: Of course, I have the Brooks I wish I was
Speaker 1: some more. I bought all of Dr Tiffany Moon's candles
Speaker 1: O hers are fun. They're really good. And I have
Speaker 1: I'm drowning any products. And I it's not that I
Speaker 1: don't want Karen Hugo products. It's that it's specifically lad
Speaker 1: doom and I don't have a doom apartment. I have
Speaker 1: an on homos and that's just you have more owner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is time for you. Are you ready? This will
Speaker 1: be your second. I don't think so many of that episode.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited this is Bone Yang's second. I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey. As time starts now, I don't think, so honey,
Speaker 1: having fun because I'm not having that right now and
Speaker 1: I haven't had it in a very long time. Even
Speaker 1: though I've had lovely moments of you know, going to
Speaker 1: Ohai with my friends, laughing at work, meeting people I
Speaker 1: love at work, having that opportunity at work, I'm not
Speaker 1: having fun. I will say, maybe it is like a
Speaker 1: winter doldrums thing. This is a sad I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey, And maybe it's not one that we post
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Who handles our social media and who edits
Speaker 1: are lovely? I don't think so honey. Videos. We love
Speaker 1: Spencer so much, He's iconic. Um, I'm just, you know,
Speaker 1: in the words of Stephanie Germinata, I'm not having fun tonight,
Speaker 1: and tonight is a long time in my and my
Speaker 1: sort of um clock, So yeah, I would love to
Speaker 1: have fun at some point soon. I haven't felt real
Speaker 1: joy in a long time. I did go on a
Speaker 1: good date this week, a couple of good dates. And
Speaker 1: that's that. Tell us about that, tell us about, tell
Speaker 1: us about you're a good day. I'm gonna be at
Speaker 1: gel Briant say. I don't want to say too much,
Speaker 1: but it was lovely and you know, you know, to
Speaker 1: have this, to have a good date on the week
Speaker 1: of Red Taylor's version Begin Again, incredible, It's begin again.
Speaker 1: It's begin again. It's treacherous, it's stated grace. It's I'm like,
Speaker 1: well and well, no, no, no, I just it timed
Speaker 1: out really well. Yeah, it sounds like it will day.
Speaker 1: It was a great day. I love good dates. I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, I really didn't think this could happen again.
Speaker 1: We love it. I feel vulnerable sharing that. That's okay.
Speaker 1: You know, you know when you express vulnerability, see, that's
Speaker 1: the vulnerability that the judges are looking for. And when
Speaker 1: you express vulnerability, we feel like we know you, and
Speaker 1: that's what we want. We want the connection. We want
Speaker 1: to know that that person on the other side of
Speaker 1: the screen, whether there are a million miles away, that
Speaker 1: they're a little bit more like us than we thought.
Speaker 1: And we think the number one, we think, we know
Speaker 1: he's funny. We want to know he's real. You you
Speaker 1: are RuPaul. I could step into RuPaul drag if you will,
Speaker 1: very easily, because I think Rue is really one of
Speaker 1: the most influential people in pop culture. When you say
Speaker 1: absolutely does a little culture number seven, Rue is one
Speaker 1: of the most influential people about culture. Oh my God,
Speaker 1: and now, Matt, Oh, the way you've lifted my spirits
Speaker 1: warmed my heart on this cold, cold night in my apartment.
Speaker 1: I you always cease to amaze me. In the words
Speaker 1: of Little Mama on America's Next Best Dance Crew, that's
Speaker 1: my job as your clown best friend, Babe. I'm I
Speaker 1: say you smiling and laughing, and you were not doing
Speaker 1: that at the beginning. And at the beginning, big old
Speaker 1: check mark, you are not. You are not obligated to
Speaker 1: do that with me. That is my joy to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: as long as you're happy, then I'm happy. But I
Speaker 1: don't want you to ever feel like work for you
Speaker 1: that you have to like get me, get me lifted
Speaker 1: up like you always I I will always be happy
Speaker 1: when I see you and talk to you. You don't
Speaker 1: have to put there's you don't have to put any
Speaker 1: effort in. I'm just happy to see my very good friend,
Speaker 1: my best friend, even Matt Rogers. That's so kind, and
Speaker 1: I'm always so happy to see you. I want to know.
Speaker 1: I'm checking on your well being right now. Do you
Speaker 1: have a space heater? No, not even space or I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'll they're probably look at it tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: I hope it will be resolved by then. But tonight
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like really fucking layer up under the covers
Speaker 1: or something. Why don't you get a hotel? Hotel? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I was gonna do work. I was gonna
Speaker 1: do that last night. But tonight I maybe I'll do that.
Speaker 1: Do it. Get a hotel close to work, or order
Speaker 1: room order room scurce for yourself tonight. If I was you,
Speaker 1: I would go over there like and do like a
Speaker 1: late night moment and just turn around for myself real
Speaker 1: close to work, have so that you can walk. It
Speaker 1: could be kind of fun. I'm just snabe. I'll consider
Speaker 1: I'll consider um anyway. Well, I loved this episode. We
Speaker 1: covered a lot covered Tay Laura. That's hey, Laura, brav
Speaker 1: X Tay Laura will. We absolutely love what you've done, Adele.
Speaker 1: You are coming, so is Wendy. Gag. The fact that
Speaker 1: the most the most thrilling part of this episode happened
Speaker 1: in the middle. Matt can confirm that Wendy is my favorite.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you've been saying. And when you levied the
Speaker 1: accusation that I was not firmly team Wendy, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I said, in the words of Wendy, I said, baby,
Speaker 1: let me correct the record. I am teams And when
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I am so excited I
Speaker 1: can't even tell you if it's next week. Fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: Well we will let everyone know. We will let everyone know,
Speaker 1: but trust and believe we will craft a very good episode.
Speaker 1: We will ask her all the right questions, making fun,
Speaker 1: make it insightful. There's no way it won't be insightful
Speaker 1: when it's Wendy. I mean, Wendy just always always speaks truth.
Speaker 1: She's the best, and she's got the book coming out
Speaker 1: that tears of my Mother, and she's got the line,
Speaker 1: and she's got the fucking Potomac reunion after a whole
Speaker 1: season that was great and what's gonna be so fun?
Speaker 1: Can't wait can't wait, baby, baby, baby, can't wait. We
Speaker 1: end every episode with a song two headlight shot, dude,
Speaker 1: less night, get you you keep changing keys? Do I
Speaker 1: glass going through my mind? I think you should think
Speaker 1: you should know that nothing thing is worth driving. Following
Speaker 1: follow you are, follow you follow I love it. Bye bye,