1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one. 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Today in the show, we're discussing all things gun hunting 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: with Luke Wilkinson, a firearm design engineer with Remington Arms. 7 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. And 8 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: as I mentioned just a second ago, today we're talking 9 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: about gun hunting and fire arms. And as I'm sure 10 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, gun hunting for deer is one of the 11 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: most popular forms of deer hunting in the country really, 12 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: but since Dan and I don't spend as much time 13 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: in the woods with a gun as we do with 14 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: a bow, we've kind of failed to talk about this 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: on the podcast so far. That said, I know it's 16 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: something that's still a lot of you are interested in. 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: So today we've got Luke Wilkinson, a firearm design engineer 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: from Remington's Arms, joining us on the show to help 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: us dive deep into this topic. He's going to be 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: able to offer a lot more insight than either me 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: or Dan Kin, that's for sure. So in the next 22 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: hour or so. We're going to talk about everything from 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: picking out the right gun, hunt with two, maintaining and 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: caring for your guns, to to practice him with, and 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: finally actually hunting deer with your firearm. So it's gonna 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: be loaded with helpful information for any and all of 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: you that plan on hunting deer with a gun this season. 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: But before all that, I want to catch up a 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: little bit with my brother from Another Mother, co host, 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: Mr Dan Johnson. What's going on? Man? That was a 31 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: pretty good introduction. I felt. I felt like I felt 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: like I was wanted with that introduction. You are you 33 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: are Dan. Everyone out there listening right now, That's what 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: they've been waiting for there, just waiting for Dan to 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: get on the air, and I'm here. I'm glad. How 36 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: was your easterman? It was good? It was good. It 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: was pretty low key. Um just kind of took care 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: of some stuff around the house and spent some time, 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, eating good food and catching up with with everyone. 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: But otherwise it was was It was a weekend full 41 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: of disappointment. To be honest with you, like your your 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: wife didn't cook as good as a meal as you 43 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: should have, as you should have or like, what kind 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: of disappointment are you talking about? No, No, the wife 45 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: cook some really good food. The disappointment was related to basketball, 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: as you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm as you know Dan, 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm a big Michigan State homer. And we just kind 48 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: of we kind of hit a wall on Saturday night. 49 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: So that was a bummer. I wish I could say 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you, or um, I don't watch basketball, 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: so you got nothing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Man, that's 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: all right, I'm over it. It was a great run. 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: But uh, but on a on a more relevant topic, 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: the other thing I'm thinking about right now, which is 55 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: the opposite of being disappointed, was just before I jumped 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: on on the air here talk with you, I was 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: interviewing someone for a story and this guy was from 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: Ohio and he killed a buck last year, and um, 59 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: he sent over these trail camera pictures and this buck 60 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: is just an incredible deer. But was super cool about 61 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: is he had a bunch of like wire stuck on 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: one side of his antlers. They got stuck in a 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: fence or something. I don't know what it was from um, 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: but these pictures were just super cool and just kind 65 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: of flipping through all these shots, it just got me 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: like super pumped up for deer hunting or like, you know, 67 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: it's it's April, but I got like a little bit 68 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: of a adrenaline rush just thinking about November. Yeah. Man, 69 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: sometimes if you don't watch those adrenaline rushes, they'll like 70 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: they'll keep you from going to sleep at night. That's 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: why I try to stay off the uh the worldwide 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: web before I go to bed, because if I if 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: I run across an article about a big deer or 74 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, um, youel they're hunting out west or anything 75 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: like that, I fired up and then I'm not tired 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: so ill late thinking about uh, you know, the upcoming faller, 77 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: what I need to do this spring to uh to 78 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: get ready, and it just it creates like kind of 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: like a snowball effect of energy until I finally got 80 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: to go, like take a shot or something to get 81 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: me calmed down again. Yeah. I can't claim the late 82 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: night shots are what I need to do to to 83 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: fall asleep, but I can definitely relate to the excitement. 84 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Um And it's it's it's an addiction, that's for sure. 85 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I just I think you just 86 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: posted something I just posted thing today just about the 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: fact that antler growth is starting again for a lot 88 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: of deer right now, and the cycle, the regenerating cycle 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: of antler growth kicking off here in April. Um. That 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: gets me pretty excited too, because in May and June, 91 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna start seeing those antlers pop up, and we'll 92 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: start to see, you know, what bucks are back and 93 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: who's hanging out in the area, and the whole cycle 94 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: just kicks off again, and uh man, I can't wait. Yep, 95 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: my buddy sent me a Troke camera picture uh yesterday 96 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: of a buck with two inch velvet nubs already, like 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: just real small, like real small nubs. So I mean 98 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: it starts as soon as those antlers fall off. That's awesome. 99 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: That's exciting to hear. Yeah, you're right, it's uh, they're 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: out there and it's just you know, it's just cool. 101 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: I just love the summer, getting to see, like I mentioned, 102 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: getting to see who's back, finding out what's in the area, 103 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: and all the anticipation. I think that's one of my 104 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: favorite things about deer hunting is just the anticipation of 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: deer hunting, just looking forward to it and thinking about it. 106 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: And dreaming about it, like you said, staying up all 107 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: night obsessing over it. Um, now's a good time to 108 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: do that. So it's kind of cool because I know, 109 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: guys like me and you, we research our trail camera 110 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: pictures to the point where we don't really need the antlers, 111 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: do uh, to tell what buck is who? So it's like, oh, 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's al Rod. He's got a he's got 113 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: a clip in his ear, and he's got kind of 114 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: like his white nose goes up just a little bit 115 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: past where a normal you know, where it normally does. 116 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: Or this buck's got a double throat patch, or this 117 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: buck's gotta you know, a swollen knee or something like that. 118 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: And and we can tell what bucks, you know, who 119 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: they are before the before they even have their antlers. 120 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, and I think, um, 121 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: you know, today we're just going to get that much 122 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: more into the excitement of all because we're talking about 123 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, gun hunting, which for lot of people is 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: something they look forward to every year. And I do too. Um, 125 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: I always enjoy getting out there a couple of times 126 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: for the gun season here in Michigan, and you know, 127 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: taking out my muzzleload or something like that in one 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: of the other states I hunt. So I think we're 129 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: gonna have an interesting conversation and definitely something that that 130 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: kind of fills a gap for you and me, or 131 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: maybe a weakness a little bit. Like you and I, 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: we we spend a ton of time out in the 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: woods of the Bow and we talked about that a lot, 134 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: but we haven't really touched on the whole firearms set 135 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: of things. And that's an important side of of the 136 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: of hunting is there's a lot of people go out 137 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: there and spend a lot of their time out there 138 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: carrying up carrying some kind of firearm out there chasing deer. 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: But I just don't have that expert insight into, you know, 140 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: the technical side of things, how to pick out the 141 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: right gun, or how to really be taking the best 142 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: care of it, or you know, different things to think 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: about when you're actually out there hunting with a gun. Um, 144 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't have as much experience and an insight to that. 145 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: So I'm excited that Luke can can help us out 146 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: with that, and um, I think he's gonna give us 147 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting insight, especially given the fact that 148 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: he's an engineer, a firearm engineer. UM, so he's really, 149 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, a terrific resource about everything when it comes 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: to guns. So I guess you'd be pretty cool. I'm ready. Well, 151 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: if you're ready, I think I'm ready. I think we 152 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: should we should get Luke on the phone and we 153 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: should start talking guns. Let's do it all right on 154 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the line with us now, is Luke Wilkinson. Welcome the show, Luke, 155 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: thanks for having any mark. Yeah, you know, Dan and 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: I were just talking a couple of minutes ago about 157 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: the fact that, uh, you know, gun hunting and firearms 158 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: are a little bit of a weak spot for us, 159 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: So we're really excited to have you on the line 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: with all the experience that you have to really help us, 161 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, dive into this topic and and share some 162 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: helpful experiences and insight that me and Dan probably wouldn't 163 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: be able to give our listens. So, so thank you 164 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: for joining us. And that said, you know, as we 165 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: mentioned a little earlier, you do work as a firearm 166 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: design engineer for a major firearm company. But could you 167 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: tell us a little more detail about maybe a little 168 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: bit about who you are as a hunter and maybe 169 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: how you got into all that and then finally you 170 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: know what you do for a day job. Sure, yeah, 171 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: UM I got started hunting probably when I was about 172 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: fourteen years old. UM. I actually was born uh in 173 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: the suburbs of St. Louis, but moved to uh Middle 174 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Tennessee when I was about ten years old. And after 175 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: I got there and started making friends, a lot of 176 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: my friends were would talk about going hunting. So at 177 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that point and I was like, well, this sounds really fun. 178 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm in and uh so, I guess I I my 179 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: first year hunting was probably fall of seven or so. 180 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: First year deer hunting, I had a lot of close call, 181 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: missed some deer you know what, um, you know, when 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: those things that everybody seems to be getting started, and uh, basically, 183 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, I've been hunting ever since, and I've gotten 184 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: really really involved in deer hunting and some um quality 185 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: deer management type things and and uh turkey hunting as well. 186 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: UM So, I guess what what made me reach out 187 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: to you about this podcast is that, uh, you know, 188 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: during the course of essentially learning how to hunt, UM, 189 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: I had some help along the way with an uncle 190 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: who is a um pretty solid contributor to teaching me 191 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: how to hunt, and uh, but I made a lot 192 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: of mistakes along the way, um, you know everything from 193 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: hunting strategy too. I've had a still occasionally have a 194 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: problem with getting in the moment of truth and you know, 195 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: missing blowing the shot or whatever getting excited it, or 196 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: you know, having um some sort of equipment issue to 197 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: prevent me from capitalizing. UM. So fast forward a little 198 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: bit from you know, when I was growing up learning 199 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: to hunt, and UM, I'm actually I gotta After I 200 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: got my masters and mechanical engineering, I got a job 201 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: at a as a design engineer at a major fiarms company. 202 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: So in um, the last six years working where I do, 203 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I've you know, learned a lot of things, UM, kind 204 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: of learned. There are a lot of mistruths out there 205 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of old life tales about this, um 206 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, chooting related stuff. UM. So I figured this 207 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: would be a good opportunity to kind of debunk some 208 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: of those myths or offer you know, whatever insight I 209 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: can as to uh some tips that you know they 210 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: will UM help people you know that worked so hard 211 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: all year to put themselves in position to to harvest 212 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: this This dear and then, you know, prevent them from 213 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: having some sort of equipment related issue that causes them 214 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: to joke in the moment of truths. Yeah, well, I 215 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: can certainly relate to that, you know, um for anyone 216 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: who's listened to the podcast over the past couple of months. 217 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: Just this past year, in December, I had a situation 218 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: where I missed an opportunity at a deer. I think 219 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: it was three times, two times in a row, or 220 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: three times because of a firearm malfunction in my muzzle lover. 221 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: I had one where my gun wun't cocked back, and 222 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: then the second time I was able to get my 223 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: gun cocked back, but when I shot it misfired. And 224 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: then the third time I had an issue where the 225 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: gun wentn't cocked back, and then finally I forced it 226 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: back and then no, yes, I got a cock back, 227 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: but when I pulled the trigger it it wouldn't it 228 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't go off. And then when I went to try 229 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: to get the hammer pulled back in further, I thought 230 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: maybe the hammer wasn't locked all the way back. When 231 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: I tried to fix that, and I just brushed my 232 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: thumb against it, the hammer did explode for it and 233 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: then the gun went off and you know, didn't hit 234 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: what I was originally aiming at before messing around with that, 235 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: So I kind of experienced it all just in December 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: trying to kill a doe. Do you remember that well day, 237 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: don't you? Yes, that didn't go well. UM. So I'm 238 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: glad that you can be the person to give us 239 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: this advice because, certainly, based on how I've been doing lately, 240 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: I'm the one making the mistakes too, and I'm the 241 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: guy that needs this help. So UM that said, I'm 242 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: curious you said that you're you're design engineer for a 243 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: firearm company. You know, what do you do? What are 244 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: you designing? What are you engineering? What's your job? UM? 245 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: My particular job, I actually work on defense related to 246 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: fire arms, So I deal most of my career has 247 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: dealt with UM semi automatic and automatic UH, you know, 248 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: like a machine gun like UH, for example, the the 249 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: IN four that the army uses. I've worked on improvements 250 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: to that, UM upgrades like all together different UM guns 251 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: for that. And then I've also worked on like semi 252 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: automatic sniper systems, so a little bit UM more long 253 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: range capable guns UM that. Really they follow the pattern 254 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: of the for what we call like a modern sporting rifle, 255 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: which a lot of people call like an A R 256 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: fifteen or an a R ten. Um. So, I've got 257 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: a lot of experience in magazine fed semi automatic and 258 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: automatic weapons, and I guess, uh, that's part of my 259 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: responsibility has been designing and testing and troubleshooting guns in 260 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: order to meet requirements that are set forth by by 261 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: the government for different solicitations. Wow. So that's that sounds 262 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: of some really serious stuff, but fascinating. I'm sure, um 263 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: so would you can, I'm assuming you would, but I'm 264 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: assuming you know, would you consider yourself a gun guy? 265 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: You're like one of the you like the details and 266 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: the ballistics and all the numbers and everything. I consider 267 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: I guess compared to most people, I definitely do consider 268 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: myself a gun guy. Um you know that me and said, 269 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: I work with a lot of people, and I know 270 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the industry that um are 271 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: just you know, if they've forgotten more about guns, and 272 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: I will ever know, you know. So it's all relative, 273 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: I guess, right exactly, So I guess with with that 274 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: all the way, then it's safe to say that you 275 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: know more about guns and gun hunting than I do, 276 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: and then Dan does. Um. So you know, what we're 277 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: really hoping to do today is to pick your brain 278 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: about everything that someone needs to know to really be 279 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: a smart, effective, well prepared deer hunter with a firearm. 280 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: And I think that starts with choosing the right gun. Um. 281 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: So we've got a whole bunch of questions related to that, 282 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: but I think Dan was going to kick us off. So, 283 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: so Dan, where do you want to go from here? 284 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: So to say that I don't know anything about guns 285 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: is a huge understatement, because I don't know anything about 286 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: guns period. I You could talk to me about rifles 287 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: and I'd look at you like it was quantum physics. 288 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: But for for a brand new firearm, let's say, someone 289 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: like myself who doesn't know anything about calibers and engages 290 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. What are some what some advice 291 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: or some tips that you can that you can give 292 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to a first time gun owner that wants to get 293 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: into firearm hunting. UM. Okay, Well the first thing I 294 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: would say is that, um, you know, look at what 295 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: states you live in or what state you're planning on 296 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: hunting in. Um. Because if I recommended for you to 297 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: get a with bang uh centi fire rifle. That would 298 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: be great, other than you couldn't use it during I 299 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: was shotgun season because they don't allow centerfire rifles. Um So, 300 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: I would say, depending on what your state regulations are 301 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: for deer hunting, um that would that would play a 302 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: large part into what I uh, you know what I 303 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: would go for. That being said, for a shotgun slash 304 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: muggle or only state like like Iowa or um I 305 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: guess the one the other shotgun only as well, but 306 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: for for those kind of states, uh, you know, you 307 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: have some trade offs between shotgun versus a muzzleloader. Um So, 308 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: since since we're starting with the basics, and muzzleloader is 309 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: you know exactly you know what it sounds like. You 310 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: you actually load the powder and the bullet in from 311 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: the muzzle and uh it's not a quick process, so 312 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: you're limited to pretty much one shot. You know, I've 313 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: seen I've seem the d is that people getting multiple 314 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: shots off on deer with the muzzleloader, but you can 315 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: pretty much count on one shot only for for for 316 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: those uh you know, some of the benefits of a 317 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: muzzleloader is that generally your projectiles are a little bit 318 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: um flatter shooting, So if your range destination is a 319 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: little bit off. So if you if you have your 320 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: gun sighted in at say hundred yards, and the deer 321 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: comes out at a hundred twenty five hundred and fifty yards, 322 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: you can pretty much count on keeping the same point 323 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: of aim. Your bullet is not going to drop that 324 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: much between a hundred and a hundred and fifty yards 325 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: as opposed to a shotgun, which has especially like a 326 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: twelve gage shotgun. If you're shooting a slug, you're looking 327 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: at a significant amount of drop between a hundred and 328 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards UM. That could potentially cause you 329 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: to miss miss the deer if you paim where you 330 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: would normally aim at a hundred. So that that's something 331 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: that's something to keep in the mind. UM. As far 332 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: as before you go out there, do you want you 333 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: want actors by volume, you want to have the shotgown 334 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: or you can reload and pop some many rounds down 335 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: rags as possible, or do you want to make a 336 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: single well placed UM shot UH with the muzzle over 337 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: so quick UH interjection. Then, given there's the the cost 338 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: benefit analysis between the two. There if if you were choosing. 339 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: If you could only hunt an area that you know 340 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: didn't allow rifles, and you had to pick between a 341 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: shotgun or muzzloder, what would you personally choose? I typically 342 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: use muzzleloaders. Um. I actually have a property, uh that 343 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: I hunt that the landowner prefers that I don't use 344 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: rifles because he lives on the property and has a 345 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: fear of you know, wayward bullets. Um. So, but he 346 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: lets me use muzzleloaders and shotguns and archery there. So 347 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: I when I go there, I typically go with a 348 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: scope muzzloader. I feel confident out to a d fifty 349 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: yards and don't have to worry about range estimation or 350 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: anything like that. Okay, now, so we've talked to me. 351 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: If you need to decide what you can use in 352 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: your area, can you only use a shotgun or muzzleloader 353 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: or can you use a rifle? Um? What else should 354 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: you be thinking about now when you're making that decision, 355 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: Because you know, to Dan's point, especially if you have 356 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: no experience with guns, Um, I have more than he does, 357 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: but I'm not necessarily a guru. Um. When you walk 358 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: into a store like Cabela's or whatever, your local gun shop, 359 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: is there's a million, not a million, but there's a 360 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: ton of different options, and there's all these different models 361 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: and all these different calibers and all these different styles. UM. 362 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: If if you were to say, you know, the basic baseline, 363 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: let's let's talk rifles now. Since we just talked about 364 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: shotguns and muzzlers, what do you think would be just 365 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: a basic startup rifle for deer hunting that someone should 366 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: look into. What would you say would be your your 367 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: overall first pick that someone should say, hey, this is 368 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: a good start starter gun. UM. I would say probably 369 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the most commonly used UM and what what I typically 370 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: use or UM for most of my career has been 371 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: just a bolt action rifle. It's a very common rifle. 372 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: They're relatively you to operate. There's a lot of models 373 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: out there at all different price points. UM. So you 374 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: know you can get an entry level bolt action rifle 375 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: with the scope already mounted. It's already been laser bore sided, 376 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: so that you know when you go to to sight 377 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: the gun in your first shots most likely going to 378 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: be within three or four inches of where the scope is. UM. 379 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: You can get those for three three fifty bucks. That 380 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: about those are bestrow shops or wherever. UM, there's a lot, 381 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: there's a lot of brands. I know Remington has a 382 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: Model seven eighty three, Marlin has their model at seven UM. 383 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: Savage makes a bolt action around that price point, I believe, 384 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: and I know the Ruger American is another good one 385 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: at that price point UM. And and then going up 386 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: from there, Uh, you know you're looking to spend five 387 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: or six hundred dollars on the rifle or um you 388 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: can get like that pretty much the standard UM that 389 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: a lot of uh other rifles have been based on 390 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: is the rooms in models seven action. UM. So that's 391 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good mid level, UM, reliable, accurate fun 392 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: that's been out there for a long time. So here's 393 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: a question for you. I mean, when you buy a 394 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: gun like that, like you mentioned one those entry level 395 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: bolt action rifles that's in that three to five d 396 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: price point UM. From everything I've seen and from my 397 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: own experience with them, they're pretty darn accurate, pretty darn 398 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: dependable guns. I mean their quality, UM, what do you 399 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: get when you upgrade to these other rifles that are 400 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars or UM? Is the difference that noticeable? And 401 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: if so, you know what is it that you're paying 402 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: for when you get that more expensive and more expensive gun? Okay, Um, well, 403 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: the fit and finished are generally a lot better. UM. 404 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: So the lower price point guns or something that they're 405 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: generally there there are a lot higher volume UM. The 406 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: tolerances they would have a little looser um in order 407 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: to just make sure that everything fits and goes together. 408 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: And the manufacturing process processes aren't generally not as like detailed. UM. 409 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: But I guess you can get like for for ball 410 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: section rifles, you can get one big thing that people 411 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: talk you hear a buzzword is the betting on the 412 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: betting of the action. So a lot of the higher 413 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: end guns will have UM like a composite type stock 414 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: that has aluminum betting blocks or um you know, uh, 415 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: they'll they'll count um you know, free floated barrel and 416 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: things like that. UM. I would say that for for 417 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: the the higher price point guns, you're getting a lot 418 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: nicer looking guns. UM. A lot of them they'll have 419 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: like coatings on them that will make them better, more 420 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: rest resistant, or it maybe a stainless steel action instead 421 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: of a you know, playing carbon steel action with with 422 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: with blue ing or whatever. UM. And sometimes they'll they'll 423 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: offer for better triggers with the the more expensive guns 424 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: or generally you know, just generally more durable type product. Okay, 425 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Um. Now, the final thing I'm wondering 426 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: about when it comes to choosing the right gun is caliber, 427 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: because this is another one of those things I think 428 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: can be intimidating for a lot of people because there's 429 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: so many different calibers and I think a lot of 430 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: people probably don't even know what it means UM or 431 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: hard differentiate or what's needed. Um is there you know, 432 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: maybe is there best overall caliber for deer or if not, 433 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: is there a handful of popular calibers that you'd recommend 434 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: that if someone's going to the store, you should look 435 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: into these these handful of different calibers when they're choosing 436 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: the right gun for for deer hunting. Yeah. Um, the 437 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: people will argue with you until they're blue in the 438 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: face of or what the best caliber is UM. But 439 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, I can definitely say some recommendations of some 440 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: pretty popular, proven calibers. Some of it is a little 441 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: bit depended on what kind of ranges you're looking at shooting. 442 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking at you know, your maximum 443 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: distance you're shooting a deer is a hundred yards. Then, oh, 444 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: I mean the possibilities are endless as far as calibers. Um. 445 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: You know a lot of the arguments for some of 446 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: the other calibers over it, well it's flat or shooting 447 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: and um, et cetera. But I mean, I think a 448 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: good baseline cartridge is is your three a weight Um 449 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: that that's a it's a good trade off between and 450 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: UM knockdown power. Um. You've got the ability for longer 451 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: in shooting with it. UM. And the recol is not 452 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: such that it's going to um you know, just jar 453 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: you so bad that you're afraid to shoot it. UM. 454 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: For like someone that's a little bit smaller stature, UM, 455 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: maybe something like a two forty three to forty three 456 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: is essentially like a necked down three or eight. So 457 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: it's the same parent cartridge a smaller, little bit lighter 458 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: weight bullets or your recoal is going to be a 459 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: little bit less um. And if you want to go bigger, UM, 460 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: thirty other six is is a pretty popular one. It's 461 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: been done around a long time. Three wind bag is 462 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: also a good one. To seventy would probably be the 463 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: other one I'm throwing with that good. So, of all 464 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: those calibers that you just mentioned, that would be for 465 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: a regular, I mean regular first time hunter. Now, would 466 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: you suggest a different caliber for maybe you women or children? Uh, 467 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: for women their children. I personally like the two forty three. Uh, 468 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's a really I think it's a good 469 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: trade off between you've you've got so good knockdown power, 470 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: a wide availability of bullets. Um, So you can go 471 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: to Walmart or Cabela's and they're probably gonna have ten 472 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: different flavors of two forty three bullets there. Um. But 473 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to go um on the bigger side, 474 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: especially smaller stature of people, women, children, um, whatever, They're 475 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: going to be recal sensitive, um. And the last thing 476 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: you want is to introduce some sort of bad habit 477 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: as a result of them being afraid of the recoil 478 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: of a gun. Now. I I know you mentioned and 479 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: this may sound like a dumb question on my part, 480 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: but knockdown power what what is? What would you say 481 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: is the definition of knockdown power? I would call it 482 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: like kinetic energy of the bullet. So your kinetic energy 483 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: is a function of the mass of the bullet and 484 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: the velocity of a good UM. So like I uh 485 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: to three. You can buy a hundred grain bullet UM 486 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: and you know, with the multiple velocities that are typical 487 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: for that caliber, you're gonna have x amount of kinetic 488 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: energy that is more than capable of breaking through bone. 489 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: You know, you put it on the shoulder hundred yards 490 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: and you're you're going to penetrate and you're going to 491 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: put the gear down. So next day you started mentioned 492 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: this a little bit earlier, and so it's kind of 493 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: tying to that. You talked about your experience with modern 494 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: sporting rifles or you know, some people refer to them 495 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: things based on the a our platform. UM, what are 496 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on modern sport rifles for deer hunting? You know, 497 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: are they appropriate gun for deer hunters? And if so, 498 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, is there any type you would recommend? UM. 499 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: So there's a whole there's kind of a political aspect 500 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 1: to the modern sporting rifle because obviously they look different 501 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: than what people are used to as as a deer rifle. UM. 502 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: You know that the biggest difference is there UM magazine 503 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: fed You know, a shotgun has a magazine, but it's 504 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: in it's in a tube form. But um, you know, 505 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: these modern sporting rifles have a detachable magazine UM, and 506 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: it's a semi automatic, so you when you pull the trigger, 507 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: it fires the round, eject suspend case and then loads 508 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: uh the next round. UM. From my perspective, I actually 509 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: UM have gotten to where I enjoyed carrying these deer 510 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: hunting UM they're yeah, it's it's probably as much as 511 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: just the nature of the beasts, and it's what I 512 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: worked worked with a lot. But they're really I mean, 513 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: there are essentially the next generation in um, you know, 514 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: in hunting rifle, because you know, the bolt action was 515 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: originally what soldiers used in the early nine and then 516 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: so and now the modern sporting rifle is actually it's 517 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: kind of on kind of one of the it's been 518 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: around since the sixties and it's just now really making 519 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: it into mainstream hunting type scenarios. But they're they're really 520 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: they're lightweight, so they're they're semi automatic, and as a 521 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: result of the action being semi automatic, there's an inherent 522 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: recoil of reduction just because some of the recoil energy 523 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: is spent and actually moving the moving parts in the gun. 524 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: That's uh, you know, that occurs when when the you 525 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: cycled the action, that reloaded the next round. So for 526 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: a three oh eight, So you you've got a seven 527 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: pounds three o eight semi automatics versus a seven pound 528 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: three light bolt action rifle. You're semi automatic is going 529 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: to have less felt recoal than your bolt action. Now 530 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: is that true? If you look at a semi automatic throughweight, 531 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, regular old time rifle that's a semi auto 532 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: versus a modern sporting rifle that's you know obviously looks 533 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: and feels different. Is that still going to be um 534 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: less recoil with MSR compared to the regular woodstock standard 535 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: looking rifle. UM generally, it's it's it depends on um 536 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: So like the the actual amount of massages moving. So 537 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: like an older style semi automatic versus the modern sporting rifle, 538 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: it may have a little bit different amount of the 539 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: bolt essentially the bolt terrier assembly may wait more or 540 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: less and that could potentially, you know, affected the effect. Okay, interesting, Now, 541 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: I guess the next thing naturally coming after us if 542 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about the different types of guns, you know, 543 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: rifle versus shotgun, versus musslover. And now we've talked about 544 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: the different calibers. Um, the next thing at least that 545 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that if I'm trying to buy the 546 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: gear to get started gun hunting is AMMO. And I 547 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: kind of grew up with a family that was kind 548 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: of you know, Um, I'm trying to think with economical 549 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: I'll say it will do the right word to use maybe. Um, 550 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, I still use the same rifle that my 551 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: grandpa gave me, you know, fifteen years ago. And I 552 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: still use a box of shells that he gave to 553 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: me back then. Um, when it comes to rifle hunting 554 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: up in northern Michigan, And if I was buy new AMMO, 555 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we've always just kind of bought 556 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: the baseline standard you know, three AMMO for that rifle. UM, 557 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: I never really got into thinking about, you know, the 558 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: more expensive fancy ammunition or white that what that might 559 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: entail or what that might give. UM. So I'm curious, 560 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, is expensive AMMO worth the money for your 561 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: average deer hunter? And uh, you know, if so, what 562 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: should I'd be looking for when buying ammunition? Um? So again, 563 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: it kind of depends on you know, if if you're 564 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: hunting thick woods and you're driver never gonna shoot past 565 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: the hundred yards, then it's probably not gonna matter that 566 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: much about whether you buy the cheapest stuff you can 567 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: find versus you know, and you don't need to be 568 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: buying the five dollar shot you know, premium AMMO or anything. 569 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: But when you get into long range type type things 570 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: like maybe Western hunting with a rifle, it definitely pays 571 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: to go with a little bit higher end AMMO. That's 572 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: not to say that there's not lower end AMMO that 573 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: is is very consistent and shoots pretty well. UM. But 574 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: in general, you know, the more you the more you pay, 575 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: the more you get UM with AMMO. And and whether 576 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, their quality control for that, you know, 577 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: when they run that type of AMMO is a little 578 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: bit tighter UM or whatever, but you there is some 579 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: benefit to paint a little bit more for m O. Okay, 580 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: so we now we talked about the m O and 581 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: we actually had a guest on the podcasts when we 582 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: were talking about our our our Western hunting trip and 583 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: he's told us that you should put as much money 584 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: into your scope as you should your rifle. UM. Do 585 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: you agree with that? And then maybe could you elaborate 586 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: on UM as far as sites and optics, we are 587 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: the best for hunting situations. I absolutely agree with um 588 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: the statement about the put as much or more or 589 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: money into your scope as you do into your rifle. UM. 590 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: Optics can make a huge different and UM in a 591 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: wide variety of situations. But low light is which you know, 592 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: deer move in low light conditions, so it can it 593 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: can mean the difference between being able to to shoot 594 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: that deer up to the end of legal shooting time 595 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: or you know, having a calle quip fifteen minutes early 596 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: because he can't feature your scope. UM. That being said, Uh, 597 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: what type of scope, Like the magnification of the scope is, 598 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: It's pretty situationally dependent. UM. So for for me, for 599 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: Eastern deer hunting, basically a three to nine is a 600 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: is a really good So it goes from three three 601 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: times magnification up to nine x adjustable. UM. You know 602 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: that's a very good it's pretty pretty standard versatile set up. UM. 603 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: You know out west people may go with four to 604 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: twelves or five to fifteen magnatyevnation. UM. You know in 605 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: situations where uh, you want a little bit more magnification 606 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 1: when you're potentially shooting long ranges. But at the same time, 607 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, back east, if you're hunting the brush country, 608 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: you may want like a fixed four x scope or 609 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 1: or or something like that. There there are a lot 610 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: of different options there. I a really good explanation of 611 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: the UM the clarity of optics or what kind of 612 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: difference that can make is uh. I have a co 613 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: worker that told me one time he got like a 614 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: Leopold say it was like a two to two to 615 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: five X scope or something like that. That's a relatively 616 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: low magnification scope, and when comparing it to a you know, 617 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: a different brand of three to nine X scope, he 618 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: could make out better detail with the looking through the 619 00:37:53,719 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: Leopold glass than he could looking through the nine power scope. Okay, Now, 620 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: one thing that I was kind of intimidated by UM 621 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: as far as buying a rifle in the scope is 622 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: and and maybe this is just me assuming, but you 623 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: know range and having to do with the drop and 624 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: you know the spin and all this stuff. How do 625 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: you have to do a lot of math and do 626 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: you have to do a lot of like studying and 627 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: and taking notes when you're siting in your rifle for 628 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: different ranges, I would say, you know, anything out to 629 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: a hundred yards, No, when you get to two d 630 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: yards depending on what the caliber is, UM, you know 631 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: you you at least need to It would be good 632 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: to at least look up online. Most ammunition manufacturers will 633 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: have tables available on their websites where you can go 634 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: and say, okay, I shoot at three with you know, 635 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: I've got a twenty inch barrel, and then UM, they'll 636 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: tell you if you have your gun zero and a 637 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: hundred yards that you're you know your gun's gonna or 638 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: your bullet will drop two inches between a hundred and 639 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 1: two hundred yards or you know, for example, UM, when 640 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: you get out to ranges, when you're pushing two hundred 641 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: and fifty three hundred yards, you definitely need you need 642 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: to be aware of what of what your bullet is doing. 643 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm just trying to recall, like I think my 644 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: I shoot at two forty three deer hunting sometimes and 645 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: a hundred yards zero, I believe it is two inches 646 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: low at two hundreds and then we're talking like nine 647 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: inches low at three hundred. So if you're aiming center 648 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: of mass, um at three hundred year potentially shooting under 649 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: the deer or hitting in the brisket or something like that. 650 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: So and three D and beyond it gets I mean 651 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: it's exponentially um, you know, more drop. So so you 652 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: definitely need to be away or of what kind of 653 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: drop you're going to be seen. And and sometimes those 654 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: published tables aren't going to be exactly what your particular 655 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: gun does. So if you're shooting past three hundred yards, 656 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: you need to you need to do the due diligence 657 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: um to make sure that you know exactly where that 658 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: bullet's going to go when when you pull the trigger. 659 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: And whether that's through actually practicing at longer ranges or 660 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: through some people. You can actually like take a chronograph 661 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: and get the muzzle velocity of your particular gun with 662 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: that particular load, and then from that you can there's 663 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: all kinds of online calculators where it'll you can put 664 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: in all the inputs and it will tell you exactly, yeah, 665 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: how much it's going to drop. So this this ties 666 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: in perfectly with where I kind of want to take 667 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: things next, which is, you know, let's say I've got 668 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: a gun, now, maybe I just bought one if I'm 669 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: new or let's have been gunning for a long time, 670 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: but I want to figure out how to do this 671 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: the right way. I want to talk about the proper 672 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: way to sight in a gun, and then the proper 673 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: way to establish a practice regimen. So to start, um 674 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: and tale in perfectly with what you're just talking about there, 675 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: can you walk us through, you know, from your standpoint 676 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: working for a firearms manufacturer, how would you guys say, 677 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: is the correct way to sight in a new firearm 678 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: before deer running season? Well, if it's a brand new 679 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: out of the box, the first thing I would do, 680 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: um would be too before you even take it out 681 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: there is I would Uh, I would run like a 682 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: board brush to the board. I would I would clean 683 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: the board. Uh. There's it's common for you know, a 684 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: gun fresh off the line to have some sort of uh, 685 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, crud from one of the manufacturing processes, or 686 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: maybe the barrel has a certain type of pat treatment 687 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: that might lead some crude behind or whatever. So a 688 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: good a good starting point is going to be, um, 689 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: just clean the clean the boar. Um. And one thing 690 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 1: that that's really important UM. And this comes into whether 691 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: the premium AMMO is worth it or not. Is whatever 692 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: you're sighting your gun in with that needs to be 693 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: what you're hunting with. So don't buy the cheap stuff 694 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: to site your gun in and then just go out 695 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: and buy a you know, a more expensive box of 696 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: shells for hunting, because it's not you're not comparing apples 697 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: to apples. Three o eight. You know, Remington load does 698 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: not equal a three o eight Winchester load or a 699 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: three late Federal load. So you need to make sure 700 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: you eliminate as many sources of variation as possible by 701 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: by being consistent um throughout the process. So, uh so 702 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: you got your You've got your your barrel is clean. 703 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: You go to the range A really good I mean 704 00:42:54,200 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: common zero range is a hundred yards, um, So what 705 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: I would recommend is making sure you had ad a 706 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: arrange with a hundred yards and um you want to 707 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: be you want to have a as steady arrest as 708 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: you can possibly get. Um if you can't sit there 709 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: and um, I feel like you can hold the crosshairs 710 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: on the center of the target consistently, and then you're 711 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: really you're really gonna be chasing your tail because you're 712 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: gonna be like sitting there questioning yourself, well, that bullet 713 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: went left? Was that because I pulled it left? Or 714 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: that because you know I need to move my scope left? Um, 715 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: so you really need to make sure you have as 716 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: steady arrest as possible UM to get started. UM. A 717 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: good way to uh to get ready for for UM 718 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: for the sight in is most monitoring guns, other than 719 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: some gun ram fires, you can actually dry cycle. So 720 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: when I say dry cycle, is you actually without without 721 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: the gun load, so completely unloaded. UM, you can you know, 722 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: take the safety off and pull the trigger and if 723 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 1: you're so, if you're looking through the scope and and 724 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: and pick out the center very center of you know, 725 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: of the target, and just practice a couple of times. Uh, 726 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, dry fire the gun a couple of times 727 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: and make sure that you know when you actually break 728 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: the trigger, you know when you're hand that co ordination 729 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: lines up, that it that the crossairs is where you 730 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,959 Speaker 1: were where you wanted it to be. UM. So after 731 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, after you're you're comfortable. UM, what I would 732 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: do is I think you can you can legitimately sight 733 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: in a gun with a single box of the m 734 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: O UM not not knowing anything about it to begin with, 735 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: so I would I would start by firing maybe five 736 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: shots from your brand new gun just to like get it, 737 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: get it on paper, um, And then I would make 738 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: sure I had cleaning supplies available, uh at the rain, 739 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: so run run from patches or run the board rushed 740 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: through it and um, it's it's typical for sometimes a 741 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: Brandy barrel is going to have a couple of little 742 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: sharp edges on the inside from from the manufacturing process. 743 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: And what it'll sometimes do is it will shave a 744 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 1: little bit of copper off the jacket or your bullet, 745 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,280 Speaker 1: and it will leave some copper behind in the board. 746 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 1: And what you want to do is after a few shots, 747 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 1: it's kind of worn that the sharp it is down 748 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: a little bit, so you want to you want to 749 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: get it back to square one by by cleaning it. Um. 750 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: So then your next three to five shots, I would 751 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 1: make sure you got your you're you would use that 752 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: to get your point of impact as close to where 753 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: you're aiming point as possible. So um, assuming you've got 754 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: it on paper already, once you can get in on 755 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: paper at any distance. It doesn't have to be a 756 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: hundred guards, but you you you at least want to 757 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: get it as close to where you're aiming as possible, 758 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: and the next three shots shots, like I said, it 759 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: should be at the distancing plant the zero of the 760 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: rifle UM. And at that point I would say uh, 761 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: d copper or clean the board again, and then uh 762 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: with your next two shots, you would make your final 763 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: scope adjustments. So at that those last those next two shots, UM, 764 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: I would make sure that your impact is lining up 765 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: as close to your where your cross hairs are when 766 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: you pull the trigger as possible. UM. And what I 767 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: always like to do after sighting in is shoot like 768 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: a a three shot group, So you wanna try to 769 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,919 Speaker 1: put three shots as close as possible together, and that 770 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: that kind of gives you an idea of okay, well, 771 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: rather than going out there and firing one shot and say, okay, 772 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: it's it's an inch from the the bulls, I'm good 773 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,280 Speaker 1: to go shoot three shots. And that's not only helping 774 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: you practice to try to get as consistent of um, 775 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 1: you know, muscle memory there as possible, but it kind 776 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: of gives you an idea of hey, I can hold 777 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: a two inch group of a hundred yards, so that 778 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: means that two hundred yards if I have a steady 779 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: rest and I can probably hold about a four inch group, 780 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: So you know that can give you confidence and kind 781 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: of lets you know, um, you know at what distances 782 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: you have business taking shots versus at what distances you 783 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: you know you really should be um, should be careful. Um. 784 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: And I guess the last thing I say there is 785 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: don't don't be discouraged by you know what if you 786 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: shoot a three shout group and say it's like a 787 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: they're three inch extreme spread or something, I mean, that's 788 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty common. Um. You know, great shooters can 789 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 1: shoot great groups, but not everybody is a great shooter. 790 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: And you know, for deer hunting, you don't have to 791 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: be the best shot in the world. But a three 792 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: group hun yards more than adequate for making an ethical 793 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: clean and kill on. So when then, I guess the 794 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: follow up question that then is you know if if 795 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: that's the right way to site in and you know, 796 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's you know a fairly yeah, it's 797 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: it's a process you have to go through, right. You 798 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: need to shoot several times, see where that group is 799 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: a justice sight, shoot several times adjust. Um. A lot 800 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: of people I think do that to some degree. They 801 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: excited and they feel like they're pretty much on zero 802 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: or close enough, and then they go out hunting for 803 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: the rest of the season, and they might the next 804 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: year might come around and they'll just say, hey, last 805 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: year I was zeroed in, I'll go out go out 806 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: hunt again. Or maybe they'll go out to the range 807 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: and they'll shoot once, make sure they hit pretty close 808 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,919 Speaker 1: to the bull, and say, hey, I'm good, I'm gonna 809 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: go hunting. Um, is that okay to do? Or do 810 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: you think there should be some kind of consistent practice 811 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: with a gun? And then if that's the case, what 812 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: would you say a good practice regiment with a firearm 813 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: should look like? Okay, I'll say this to start with. Up. Yeah, 814 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: I know a lot of your listeners are pretty hardcore 815 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: deer hunters, probably a vast majority or with her are 816 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: of which are archery hunters. And I know most archery hunters. 817 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: I know, when it's June and it's in the summertime, 818 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: we're out after work and we're shooting our bows a 819 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: couple of nights a week at least it's work. We're 820 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: practicing quite a bit with archery. And you know, the 821 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: good thing about a farm is you don't necessarily you 822 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: don't have to practice as much as as you do 823 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: with archery. But lack of practice should not be I 824 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: don't think it should be an excuse. Um. There are 825 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: obviously not everybody can shoot a firearm in the backyard 826 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: like they might be able to shoot a bow. But 827 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: there are always that you you can practice. Uh. Like 828 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: I've mentioned earlier is dry fire. So um, there are 829 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: a lot of like action shooters and stuff out there, 830 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: or that a huge portion of their practice regiment is involved. Um, 831 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean dry fires, dry fire in the basement. So um. 832 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 1: You know the real the important thing when you're when 833 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: you're talking dry fire is you know if you have 834 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: your your room, that you keep all your hunting gear 835 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: in your closet or you know whatever, when you when 836 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: you're dry fire, and you need to make sure that 837 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 1: whatever ammo is available for that gun is locked up 838 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: and completely put away because the life thing you wanted 839 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: to do is shoot a hole in your roof and 840 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: your cat whatever. Um, But that that's a really cheap, 841 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: peavy way, and that's that's it's it's the same thing. 842 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: It's muscle memory. Um. You know you're focusing on when 843 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: you pull the trigger. UM, that you hear, that you 844 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: hear and feel the click as you look through the scope, 845 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: and the crosshairs on the scope is where you want 846 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: to be every time you pull the trigger. So as 847 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,839 Speaker 1: far as that goes, I would recommend every year prior 848 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,359 Speaker 1: to getting out and hunting, because because when you hunt, 849 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: you know you're walk into the woods, you might you 850 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,240 Speaker 1: have the potential to jar or bump or accidentally um 851 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: cause something to to to move UM. So I would 852 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: say once a year at least before you go hunting, 853 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: you need to go out to the range and just 854 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: shoot it. And and honestly, I've gotten to the point 855 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,919 Speaker 1: where I'll go out and either shoot three shots and 856 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: if they're where I want, UM, back the gun up 857 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,359 Speaker 1: and I'm ready. I'm ready to go UM. And then 858 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: at least I know I can go into the woods 859 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: with confidence saying, hey, my guns where it should be. 860 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: I just need to you know, to execute it. Okay, 861 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm speaking of executing um, the actual shot process with 862 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: a firearm. I've heard lots of different things about people 863 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: that say, you know, hold your breath while you're holding 864 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: the pulling the trigger, or pull the trigger when you're 865 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: exhaling or pull the trigger when you're breathing in or 866 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: all all these different things. What is your opinion on 867 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: the correct actual trigger pulling process when you when you've 868 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: got the target in your sight and you're ready to go, 869 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: what should you do? UM? Typically, what what they'll teach like, 870 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: UM it's cniper schools and stuff like that, would be 871 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: you would you would inhale, you would partially exhale, and 872 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: then you would break the trigger. So you don't inhale 873 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: all the way and hold your breath, but you don't, UM, 874 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: you don't inhale. You don't necessarily break the shot in 875 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: the middle of a breath. You know, you would you 876 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: would exhale partially and pause UM to make the shot. UM. 877 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: As far as that goes, there's there's a lot of 878 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: different techniques to doing it, and my advice would be 879 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: whatever works for you, go with it to you know, 880 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: if you if you do better with a full a 881 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: full breath in your lungs whenever you you know, full 882 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: of trigger, then you know, stick with what's comfortable for you, 883 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: because in the heat of the moment, chances are you 884 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: might not even remember that, oh, I'm not supposed to 885 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: hold my breath all the way I need to let out, 886 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, half a breath or or whatever. True. Yeah, 887 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: I can definitely a test to in the moment of truth. 888 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 1: I sometimes don't even remember who I am, let alone, 889 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: how how much of a breath I should take? So 890 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: h So, we've we've got our gun, we've got sighted in, 891 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,359 Speaker 1: we've practiced a few times. I think the next thing, 892 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,399 Speaker 1: at least I think that we probably need to start 893 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,879 Speaker 1: addressing is cleaning or taking care of that gun. Um. 894 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: Can you walk us through a little bit in regards 895 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: to what kind of maintenance or cleaning you should do 896 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,760 Speaker 1: with your gun? Either? Well, I guess all both before 897 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: the season, during the season, and after. What does that 898 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: look like? Um? So I guess before the season, Um, 899 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,280 Speaker 1: I did not. I talked about studying in the rifle 900 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,800 Speaker 1: and after you are comfortable where where your point of 901 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: impact is, after you've got it sighted in. I do 902 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: not recommend touching. I don't recommend cleaning the boar at all, um, 903 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,280 Speaker 1: because we look the guys do. Um that's niper school. 904 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: If they as soon as they change, as soon as 905 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,919 Speaker 1: they clean the barrel, they fire like five or ten 906 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: fouling shots to get it to get it back to 907 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,839 Speaker 1: the dirty condition where it's where it's more consistent, because 908 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: if you think about it, if you you can't possibly 909 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: uh clean your gun for every single shot, So your 910 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: first shot is going to be from a clean board, 911 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: and every shot after that it's going to be from 912 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 1: a dirty board. UM. So I do not recommend cleaning. 913 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,959 Speaker 1: You know, if you want to clean once a year 914 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: or a roman like a quarterly patched down through the 915 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: boar when you get um, when you get done for 916 00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: the seasons, and that's certainly, um a good idea, but 917 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's uh, I guess the way 918 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: that is coming from as I grew up, and it was, well, 919 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: if you took the gun out and went hunting, you 920 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: need to clean it when you're done. Um. And and 921 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily with the board in particular, it's not 922 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: necessarily um you know, the best practice as far as 923 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,879 Speaker 1: the rest of the gun goes. Uh. Really, you're you're 924 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,919 Speaker 1: just trying to keep I mean honestly, you're just trying 925 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: to keep it from resting. So um, you know, there's 926 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: a there's a lot of different gun lubricating products, like 927 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 1: the ram oil is a common one and so just 928 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 1: an oily rag, wiping down the exterior, wiping down the 929 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,359 Speaker 1: moving parts so that, um, you know, you don't have 930 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 1: any exposed surfaces that don't have some sort of um, 931 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,759 Speaker 1: you know, lubricant on them to prevent the rest uh 932 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: during the season. I don't typically do too much with 933 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: mine unless you know, if if I get out and 934 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 1: it's it's raining or it gets damned for whatever reason, 935 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,720 Speaker 1: definitely do not want to leave it in the case 936 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 1: or or or store it after it's been wet without 937 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: taking it out as soon as you get home and 938 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: just wipe it down with an orley rag and that'll 939 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: that'll prevent you from from having any you know, rest 940 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: spots or um, things like things of that nature. Um. 941 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,359 Speaker 1: And then after the season, uh, like I said, if 942 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: you can choose to to clean the board, but you 943 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,320 Speaker 1: if you did choose to clean the boar after the season, 944 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: I would definitely recommend during a couple of follow up 945 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: shots the next year when you were ready to take 946 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,479 Speaker 1: it out again to confirm that you're where you think, 947 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 1: um you need to be. Now all that that I'm 948 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: assuming that applies to rifles and shotguns, right, but um, 949 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,919 Speaker 1: if you're use the muzzleloader. It's a very different story, right, yes, 950 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: And that's uh, honestly, that's been a source of my 951 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: pain growing up, was with trying to figure out how 952 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: to be consistent with muzzleloaders. Um. So, you know, muzzleloaders 953 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: in general use black powder or pirated X or triple 954 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,359 Speaker 1: seven or what have you, and they all they all 955 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: leave a lot more residue in the board than your 956 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: your typical centerfire rifle cartridge. Um. So, what I've run 957 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: into in the past is I'll shoot one shot to 958 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: my muggleloader and I'll reload it and haven't touched the thing, 959 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: and then the next shot will be you know, a 960 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: foot away or whatever. And I've learned, um that one 961 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 1: of the real critical things is you really need to 962 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 1: make sure your bullet is seated to the same depth 963 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: every time. And in a good way to accomplish that 964 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: is going to be um. After after every shot, you 965 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 1: can run a a wet patch. So I think they 966 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: cabella cells actually a container that's just full of remoistened 967 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: patches that have some sort of pattern solving on there. 968 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: So you you shoot and then you you run a 969 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: wet patch through there, then run a dry patch right 970 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: behind it and then then reloaked. And when I've when 971 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 1: I started doing that, I've taken the orders that I 972 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 1: thought could could honestly not hit the boat side of 973 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: the bond, and I've got into where I am very comfortable, um, 974 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, shooting with them and knowing that I'm gonna 975 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: hit within answer two where I'm in every time. UM, 976 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 1: So that I guess the best the best way to 977 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: make sure that you're getting the same bullet sitting depth 978 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: every time is take the take the clean gun and 979 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,680 Speaker 1: load it once and then you need to so you 980 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 1: load the pottery and the bullet or sabo in there, 981 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: and then you would put your ramrod as far down 982 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: into the barrel as it'll go. And then I take 983 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,480 Speaker 1: like a knife or a screw driver and score the 984 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: ramrod so that show as you with a perfectly clean gun, 985 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 1: that the powder and the bullet needs to be feeded 986 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: to this depth. And so then from that point on, 987 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 1: anytime you UM loaded, you can use the ramarot essentially 988 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,040 Speaker 1: as a measuring stick to make sure that your bullet 989 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,080 Speaker 1: and your powder are loaded to the poplar depths. Another 990 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: thing that does is um Occasionally people will leave muzzle 991 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: loaders loaded, so you know, not everybody wants to shoot 992 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 1: the muzzle loader into the ground or whatever every after 993 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: every hunt, so a lot of people will leave them 994 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 1: loaded for a season, or sometimes a season turns into 995 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,920 Speaker 1: the next season. Well that's a good way to know, Hey, 996 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: this one's already loaded. I don't need to dump another 997 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,080 Speaker 1: load of powder or charge of powder and the bullet 998 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 1: in there, because then you could really have a problem. Yeah, 999 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 1: that would that would be a problem with wasn't it. Yeah, 1000 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,400 Speaker 1: And it's been done a lot more times than you. 1001 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,680 Speaker 1: I just imagine the Looney To Dunes where Elmer Fudge 1002 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:07,760 Speaker 1: shoots the gun and banana peals backwards exactly. Yeah, that's uh, 1003 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 1: that can be a little scary. I've I've always I've 1004 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: always felt, you know, when shooting a muzzle loader, there's 1005 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 1: always that small little bit of like unknown with those 1006 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: guns where you worry if you did something a little wrong, 1007 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: it might not quite go the way you wanted to. Um. 1008 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I guess moving on to the final 1009 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: step for a gun hunter, We've got our gun, we've 1010 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,560 Speaker 1: got it sighted and practiced, we've got a clean radar 1011 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 1: rock and roll. Now when we're actually out there hunting. 1012 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 1: You know, would you say that a deer hunter strategy 1013 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 1: should be significantly different with a gun than what they 1014 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,200 Speaker 1: might have when they're out there bow hunting. And if so, 1015 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, what do you think of those basic big differences. Well, 1016 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: and the beauty of a gun is you do have 1017 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot more range than than with the bow. Um, 1018 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: So there is the potential that it would be a 1019 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 1: better strategy to hunt, say the stand that has a 1020 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 1: lot you can see a lot further from from expands, 1021 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: so you know, potentially the better strategy to do that. 1022 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: On the same token, you know, maybe the deer don't like, 1023 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, the area where you can see as far 1024 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: because they know they can be seen from further away. 1025 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: So I guess from a from a strategy of where 1026 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,920 Speaker 1: the deer are gonna be, that's up. That's up to 1027 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: you to decide, I guess, but I I personally like 1028 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: to hunt in areas where I can see a little 1029 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 1: bit farther than um maybe as typical for some of 1030 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,680 Speaker 1: my my bow hunting setups. Yeah, and on the distance, 1031 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 1: on the distance side of things, there's been a lot 1032 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 1: of talk relatively recently. It's been talked about quite a 1033 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 1: bit over many years, but just recently, the Boone and 1034 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Crockett Club released a statement. Um, I think it was 1035 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,520 Speaker 1: earlier this year, late last year regarding the ethics of 1036 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: long range shooting. And I'm curious to hear your thoughts on, 1037 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, just your personal opinion on how to set 1038 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 1: an appropriate maximum distance for it for yourself. And then 1039 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,960 Speaker 1: you know what you think about long distance shooting and 1040 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,400 Speaker 1: is that you know, is that an ethical choice when 1041 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about shooting six hundred yards at an animal? Okay? Um, 1042 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,680 Speaker 1: So what I would say is that I think it's personally, 1043 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: I don't feel that it's ethical for someone to shoot 1044 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: at an animal at a distance further than what they've 1045 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: ever shot at, you know, on the range. So you know, 1046 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,720 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be testing the waters by shooting at an animal, 1047 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, because what happened? Do you shoot it in 1048 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: the leg, you shoot it in the guts? Um? You 1049 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: know you're you're really not doing the animal um in 1050 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,280 Speaker 1: your favors obviously by doing that. So I don't I 1051 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,040 Speaker 1: think your maximum range should be the furthest you've ever 1052 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,720 Speaker 1: practiced that or pretty close to it. You know, if 1053 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: if the deer comes out at three one, five, and 1054 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,040 Speaker 1: you've practiced three hundred, then you know, I understand, but UM, 1055 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, to to further your point about, you know, 1056 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: the ethics of shooting long range six and seven hundred yards. UM. My, personally, 1057 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: if you can get six hunters or six hundred yards 1058 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,200 Speaker 1: from our animal, um, then you can get three hundred 1059 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:29,240 Speaker 1: yards from it. I don't see. I don't see that, um, 1060 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: six hundred, seven hundred yard shots are required for people 1061 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,320 Speaker 1: to be successful. UM. I don't think there's really any 1062 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 1: hunting situations or there are. There are very few hunting 1063 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: situations where where the only chance of success is taking 1064 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 1: that seven hundred yard shot. UM. That being said, some 1065 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 1: guys just like the challenge of shooting at long range. 1066 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 1: And my opinion on that is, you know, if you 1067 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,480 Speaker 1: practice and you are comfortable at that range, and you 1068 01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,840 Speaker 1: can make um a quick clean kill at that range, 1069 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,960 Speaker 1: then then wear it out. I don't you know, I 1070 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,360 Speaker 1: don't personally have a problem with that aspect of it. 1071 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 1: But I do have a problem with the guys that are, 1072 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, going out and and you know, shooting at 1073 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 1: seven hundred yards at a you know, at an animal 1074 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: that you know they've never practiced out past hundred yards 1075 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: in their lives. Yeah, and I think that applies right 1076 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,760 Speaker 1: to any kind of hunting, whether you're out there with 1077 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: a firearm or a gun, a rightful shotgun or bow. 1078 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: You know, you should never shoot beyond what you're very 1079 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,040 Speaker 1: confident in and that you've done before. You you've demonstrated 1080 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,400 Speaker 1: the past, you can accurately and ethically kill an animal 1081 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 1: at that range. Like you said, when you're actually out 1082 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: in the field hunting, that's not the time to test 1083 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: the waters and just see, hey maybe if I love 1084 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,600 Speaker 1: one out there, maybe I'll hit It's you know, that's 1085 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,080 Speaker 1: not the ethical choice. That's not, in my opinion, the 1086 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 1: right way to do it. So, but it's definitely like 1087 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: you also, like you mentioned, though, it's a personal choice 1088 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: on what your maximum ranges. And like you said, if 1089 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,000 Speaker 1: you can do that ethically and cleanly at whatever range is, 1090 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: that's that's you're your choice. So I'm curious, Dan over 1091 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,960 Speaker 1: there being the least gun hunting experience, do you have 1092 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,480 Speaker 1: any other questions for Luke from up actually in the 1093 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 1: field standpoint about you know, tips or tricks or anything 1094 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,959 Speaker 1: like that. No, I'll tell you what what this has 1095 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: done for me though, is I've always wanted to, um 1096 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,360 Speaker 1: try and try out a muzzleloader. I've never I don't 1097 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,080 Speaker 1: even know if I've shot a muzzleloader before. And um, 1098 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,280 Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends telling me that it's 1099 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 1: it's pretty fun and and I think I'm gonna this. 1100 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,240 Speaker 1: This podcast might have been the tipping point for me 1101 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:44,280 Speaker 1: as far as just getting a starter muzzleloader and just 1102 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: starting to practice with it. That's awesome. I think that's 1103 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 1: a good idea. Yeah, Luke. Then for you, now that 1104 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,960 Speaker 1: you've inspired my co host Dan to go out there 1105 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: and get a muzzleloader and try his hand at gun hunting. UM, 1106 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,160 Speaker 1: do you have any final party advice for someone out there, 1107 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,200 Speaker 1: whether they're new like Dan or someone who's been a 1108 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, using firearm for a long time, any other 1109 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,880 Speaker 1: party advice when it comes to hunting with a gun 1110 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,280 Speaker 1: that everyone should keep in mind moving forward this season. Uh. Yeah, 1111 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 1: just one thing I would say is that when we 1112 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,760 Speaker 1: actually get into the field, you want to be set 1113 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 1: up in a position where you can get the most 1114 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,640 Speaker 1: steady rest possible because of the key to being um 1115 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,920 Speaker 1: accurate and being precise with your shooting is being able 1116 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: to have you know, you've got to have a steady rest, 1117 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,200 Speaker 1: so you know, whatever means necessary, whether it's a bipod 1118 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,439 Speaker 1: on your gun or a shooting rail around your tree 1119 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 1: stand or whatever. I can't stress enough how important it 1120 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,760 Speaker 1: is to have a steady press, because it doesn't matter 1121 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,080 Speaker 1: how accurate your gun is, um you know, if not 1122 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 1: many people can make, you know, a off hand shot 1123 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: at a hundred fifty yards, especially when it's the beer 1124 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,840 Speaker 1: of a lifetime and you're you're you're barely standing upright 1125 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 1: without falling down from shaking. That's a that's a that's 1126 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: definitely something that people need to keep in mind, especially 1127 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: for the bow hunter turned gun hunter, for someone who's 1128 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,919 Speaker 1: out there with you know, just a regular port will 1129 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,160 Speaker 1: hang on tree stand that doesn't have any kind of rest. 1130 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: That's something I've struggled with in the past. I've got 1131 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,520 Speaker 1: all my stands hung up to be bow hunting, and 1132 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,120 Speaker 1: then when I do go out there with a firearm, 1133 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, there is no good rest. So I've started 1134 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 1: springing a shooting stick, and I've actually cut a hole 1135 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: in a tennis ball and stuck that tennis ball on 1136 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,480 Speaker 1: the bottom of my shooting stick so that when I 1137 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,600 Speaker 1: use that shooting stick and I set it down to 1138 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: rest on the base of my tree stand platform. It 1139 01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 1: doesn't go through the little holes in the metal. Um. 1140 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: So that's what I've used to try to get a 1141 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: good rest and that's helped. Um. But I think to 1142 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,080 Speaker 1: your point, getting a shooting rail if you're in a 1143 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,960 Speaker 1: tree stand, or you know, having specific gun hunting stands 1144 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,200 Speaker 1: like a box blind or ground blind or whatever you're using, Um, 1145 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: that's super important. Do you have any advice? I guess 1146 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,720 Speaker 1: the final question when it comes to um, you know, 1147 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,160 Speaker 1: when you're shooting on the like maybe you're walking to 1148 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 1: your stand, um and you're standing or you're caught, you know, 1149 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 1: surprised anything any tips for getting that kind of off 1150 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 1: hand shot and doing that the best possible way. Yeah, Um, 1151 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: you know off off hand is is tough. Uh. What 1152 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,360 Speaker 1: I would say is that if you anticipate being in 1153 01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,760 Speaker 1: a situation where you you know, say you have a 1154 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: long rape as your stand, I would I would spend 1155 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,679 Speaker 1: some time at the ranches practicing off hand. And uh, 1156 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 1: you know a lot of it's timing because no one's 1157 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,559 Speaker 1: gonna be able to hold the cross hair is perfectly 1158 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,160 Speaker 1: steady off hand, So you you really got to work 1159 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,200 Speaker 1: on the hand eye coordination to U tube blakes the 1160 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,600 Speaker 1: trigger at the time where the where the scope is 1161 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,360 Speaker 1: in the right place. Um. So I would just recommend practice. 1162 01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,719 Speaker 1: And you can also practice dry fire um the same way. 1163 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,639 Speaker 1: UM So that's probably what I would recommend. Okay, awesome. 1164 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,040 Speaker 1: Is there any value to um two different you know, 1165 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 1: shooting positions, like, if possible, should they kneel or sit? 1166 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Um or? I mean, from what I understand, you know, 1167 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,719 Speaker 1: kneeling is good, see it seated is even better and prone, 1168 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, laying down flat as the absolute best? Is 1169 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,960 Speaker 1: that true? And if possible, if you have the time 1170 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,559 Speaker 1: to do it in the view and stuff, should you 1171 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,320 Speaker 1: try to get in one of those positions rather than 1172 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,759 Speaker 1: just standing up? Uh? Yeah, I would say the closer 1173 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,160 Speaker 1: to the ground you are, the more stable you're gonna be. 1174 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: And and that pretty much falls right along with you know, 1175 01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,679 Speaker 1: standing versus kneeling, versus sitting versus prom um. So in 1176 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 1: anything you can do to kind of lock your body 1177 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,760 Speaker 1: into or is it locked the gun into a more 1178 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,840 Speaker 1: stable position, whether it's a planting against you know, using 1179 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,599 Speaker 1: a tree as a as a as a prop or whatever, 1180 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,240 Speaker 1: or backpack anything you can do, um, to to get 1181 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,680 Speaker 1: more stable closer to the ground. Um, you know you're 1182 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: you're going to be helping yourself. Awesome, all right, Well, uh, 1183 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,719 Speaker 1: I think that me and Dan here are well prepared 1184 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,640 Speaker 1: with some great new information about how to you know, 1185 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,960 Speaker 1: be better firearm hunters. And I definitely know that this 1186 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,600 Speaker 1: season I'll be I'll be out there with my muzzleloader 1187 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,880 Speaker 1: and my rifle at times, and I might even get 1188 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,599 Speaker 1: a shotgun this year do a little bit of gun 1189 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,280 Speaker 1: hunting here in southern Michigan without needing to clean my 1190 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,080 Speaker 1: muzzlower at the time. So, um, this has been This 1191 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: has been super helpful for me and hopefully for a 1192 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,240 Speaker 1: lot of other people out there. Um, because I know 1193 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: there's a lot of gun hunters listening to our podcast 1194 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 1: and we have done a lousy job of talking about it. 1195 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,000 Speaker 1: So so thank you Luke for helping us, for making 1196 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,000 Speaker 1: sure we can talk on that topic and with an 1197 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,960 Speaker 1: expert like you giving us the information. I'm a problem. 1198 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for having me. All right, Well, that's 1199 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 1: going to be it for us today. So as always, 1200 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,960 Speaker 1: we'd like to thank our partners who helped make the 1201 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,080 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast possible. So big thank you to 1202 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 1: sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, on Terra Maps, 1203 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 1: Hunts Soft Lacrosse boots, and the White Tail Institute of 1204 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,240 Speaker 1: North America. And thank you to all of you joining 1205 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,240 Speaker 1: us today. I hope we were able to offer you 1206 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,280 Speaker 1: some helpful insight into the gun side of the deer 1207 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,880 Speaker 1: hunting world. And most importantly, I hope you enjoyed your 1208 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,040 Speaker 1: time with us, so have a great week and stay 1209 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:10,960 Speaker 1: while you're done.