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Speaker 2: A five dollars. This is a regular leon, but they tackled.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable,

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Speaker 3: I suppose the best, relentless, refusing to give up. All right,

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Speaker 3: hit that horn less.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the all new Action Network Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Raybon, joined as always by my guys Sean Kerner, and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk.

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Speaker 1: All about our final rank is today.

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Speaker 3: Sean, Yeah, it looks like we're both repping the Bengals today.

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Speaker 3: Whose jersey do you got today?

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Speaker 1: That this is AJ Green?

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Speaker 2: And I'm treating it like a throwback because they Aj

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Speaker 2: Green was done like three years ago. You know, his

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Speaker 2: interested to see how he plays on the Cardinals because

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Speaker 2: I actually was reading that their general manager, Steve Kaim,

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Speaker 2: watched all of his targets from last year and he

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Speaker 2: that when we got to the Cardinals, and don't worry,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about more than just the Bengals today. We

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Speaker 2: will talk about all thirty two teams. So can't wait

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Speaker 2: to dive in. Yeah, we're gonna go team by team

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Speaker 2: because if we just go by eightyp what's going to

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Speaker 1: There's so much I'm getting the weeds.

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Speaker 3: No way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, we've done a couple of pods already.

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoyed them. Where we've kind of

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Speaker 2: and let's start with the big news of these past

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours is so Cam Newton last year started

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots, released at Usher's in the Matt Jones era.

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Speaker 2: It's official. He was the better quarterback all camp according

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Speaker 2: to pretty much every report. Obviously best better quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the preseason. Sean, this mac Jones transition impact your ranks

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it does. And I you know, heading

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, first of all, Mac Jones is significantly better

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Speaker 1: But one area I really think mac.

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Speaker 1: But I do think this significantly boosts Meyers.

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Speaker 1: He's a legitimate guy.

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Speaker 2: That they had plans, you know, they had legit plans

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Speaker 1: Your hosters, like, I need, I'm going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably is undervalued, but for a good reason,

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Speaker 3: will Fuller out of these three. Obviously, Jalen Waddle has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, GASICKI he's been climbing up my ranks too, because

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Speaker 3: So yeah, hopefully guys like Albert Wilson or Preston Williams

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Speaker 3: But I think the three receivers we talked about should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the way it kind of shakes

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Speaker 3: It's it's tough because I think Corey Davis used to

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Speaker 3: Well we'll see. You know, Corey Davis is gonna draw,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's a tie between Corey Davis and Moore.

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Speaker 2: released every single tight end they had Tyler Croft. Yeah, oh,

438
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Speaker 2: you know what, I was really surprised that they let

439
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Speaker 2: Kenny Yoboa go through you know, go through waivers after

440
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 2: he had that big game in the last preseason game.

441
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 2: I thought they were just going to straight up trade

442
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Speaker 2: or cut Herndon and keep Yoboa and Cross and do.

443
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Speaker 1: It that way.

444
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Speaker 2: But we'll see if I don't know if he's been

445
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Speaker 2: resigned to this practice squad yet or what. But uh yeah,

446
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Speaker 2: I think I think Elijah Moore he's kind of on that.

447
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: Like if there's sixty four, you know, every team's top

448
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 2: two receivers, he's right at the bottom of that for me,

449
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: just because there's a little bit of uncertainty, but his

450
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: ceiling is so high and you're at that pick range

451
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: you can afford their risks. So it's the time between

452
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: Davis and more for me. And I still love Michael Carter.

453
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Speaker 2: I still think he emerges as he's going to ask

454
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Speaker 2: are you nervous at all?

455
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Speaker 3: Like it's still sort of I mean they cut Josh Adams,

456
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Speaker 3: which you know, removes one player from this that we

457
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Speaker 3: ne were never going to keep five backs obviously, Yeah,

458
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: obviously Carter is most talented back, but still a four

459
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Speaker 3: way sort of time show on a bad team with

460
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Speaker 3: a battle line like should he be going wears super

461
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Speaker 3: running back thirty five?

462
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Speaker 1: I can tell it.

463
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Speaker 2: So one thing I did was in preparation for you

464
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Speaker 2: know this pod and just kind of the final rankings

465
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Speaker 2: and getting ready for the season, was I went back

466
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Speaker 2: to my twenty twenty spreadsheet and for rankings, you know,

467
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Speaker 2: my projections, and I kind of just did an audit

468
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Speaker 2: and highlighted every guy that I was either too high

469
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Speaker 2: on or too low on, you know, significantly, so that

470
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Speaker 2: it would have an impact in fantasy for people you know,

471
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Speaker 2: drafting off the rankings. And one of the you know,

472
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Speaker 2: for guys I was too low on at running back,

473
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: one of the major factors was like thirty eight percent

474
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Speaker 2: of all running backs like that I kind of missed

475
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Speaker 2: on because I was too low. It was because they

476
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Speaker 2: were you know, either a rookie or a year two

477
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Speaker 2: guy in a backfield with you know, some other veterans

478
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: that you know, it looked crowded at the time, but

479
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: the rookie generally is going to rise to the top.

480
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Speaker 2: I mean, you remember starting last year, it was like, Okay,

481
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, Marlon Mack are going to split snaps, Andy stuff,

482
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: Naim Hines. It was, you know, DeAndre Swift and Adrian

483
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Speaker 2: Peterson and Carrie On Johnson, like and these guys kind

484
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Speaker 2: of rise to the cream, rises to the top.

485
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Speaker 1: Eventually.

486
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Speaker 2: This is Robert salas first go around, so he's going

487
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Speaker 2: to give some carries to Tevin Coleman, his old friend

488
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Speaker 2: from San fran And I'm sure Ty Johnson will finally

489
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Speaker 2: will probably end up as a number two in the

490
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Speaker 2: long term because he's better than Coleman.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

492
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Speaker 1: But Carter, I mean, he's still the best one, so

493
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Speaker 1: his value's all going to go up, right.

494
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Speaker 2: Exactly, And that's what I kind of that's it's like

495
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Speaker 2: year two receivers and rookie receivers to an extent just

496
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Speaker 2: because of their ADPs outside the ones that go in

497
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Speaker 2: the first round of the real draft, like those are

498
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: the most bankable assets in fantasy that you can kind

499
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: of really beat ADP with rookie running backs and year

500
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Speaker 2: two wide receivers. So I don't mind taking you know,

501
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: Javonte Williams, Ray Sermon, Michael Carter at whatever their different

502
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: prices are, because I feel like.

503
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Speaker 1: Their value is only going to go up.

504
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Speaker 2: It's going to be it's gonna be tough for them

505
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: to really kill me at that at their ADPs. At worst,

506
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: they'll kind of be like in a committee and hit

507
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: value or fall no worse than like running back three,

508
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: which you're you know, you'll deal with that floor when

509
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: you're taking them as a running back two or three anyway.

510
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Speaker 3: So yeah, So I mean, if you're listening right now

511
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Speaker 3: and you take my Carter and he stinks the first

512
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, which could happen, don't drop them. Keep Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Remember here's I mean. It's not exact apples to apples,

514
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Speaker 2: but I will say this, heading into week one last season,

515
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Speaker 2: even after like a couple weeks last season, Justin Jefferson

516
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: was splitting snaps on a low volume pass offense with

517
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: Olabisi Johnson. Oh god, Justin Jefferson ended up with fourteen

518
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: hundred yards. Like That's why I say that the cream

519
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: will rise to the top, and that's gonna kind of

520
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: be a theme for me with you know, guys I'm

521
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: high on is just young guys who you're kind of

522
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Speaker 2: looking at the depth chart in week one and you're saying, Okay,

523
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Speaker 2: you know, I kind of have to split these snaps

524
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Speaker 2: up in my projections because I don't know exactly who

525
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Speaker 2: is gonna rise to the top. And generally the answer

526
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: is the younger guys, the guy, the rookie of the

527
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Speaker 2: year two guy, the guy with more talent, you know,

528
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, even if he's behind another guy in

529
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Speaker 2: a depth chart, you have to be thinking season one

530
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Speaker 2: projections with these And yeah, that's a great point.

531
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Speaker 1: If you should be willing for.

532
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Speaker 2: These high upside guys to keep them on your bench

533
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Speaker 2: for a few weeks. You know, obviously, depending on your

534
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Speaker 2: roster size and what happens with injuries, you might have

535
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Speaker 2: to to give up a couple guys. But I would

536
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Speaker 2: treat it like these teams are treating these roster cuts

537
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Speaker 2: like if you need to stash a guy, you know,

538
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Speaker 2: do what you have to do to stash a guy,

539
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Speaker 2: and don't give up after a week because you're if

540
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Speaker 2: you're you should be drafting good starters. If you're listening

541
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: to this podcast, your starters should be good.

542
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Speaker 1: So that's that's uh, that's yeah ideal.

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Speaker 2: I do you know, we might have a whiff here

544
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Speaker 2: and there, but hopefully, uh we're plus ev on the

545
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Speaker 2: on the season. So next up here on the Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Flex is an all new segment that we've been doing

547
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Speaker 2: called a Wheit Entries, where Sean and I dive into

548
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Speaker 2: the Prize Picks app and compare our player projections to

549
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Speaker 2: the props and build some entries. For listeners unfamiliar with

550
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Speaker 2: Prize Picks, it's a super simple way to play DFS.

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Speaker 1: Prize Picks offers a.

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Speaker 2: Bunch of fantasy and props over undermarkets for both daily

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Speaker 2: and season long like Zeke Elliott rushing yards for the

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Speaker 2: season or Josh Allen Week one fantasy points. You choose

555
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Speaker 2: the picks you like and you build your entry. You

556
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Speaker 2: can go two, three, four, even five picks, and your

557
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Speaker 2: payout is based on how big your lineup is and

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Speaker 2: how much you risk. For example, if you choose two

559
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Speaker 2: props like Zeke under and Josh Allen over and they

560
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Speaker 2: both hit, you get three times er entry fee. But

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Speaker 2: if you build an entry with four props, you can

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Speaker 2: win up to ten times your entry fee. So Sean

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Speaker 2: and I like fuse our projections, who identify markets we

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Speaker 2: like in the prize picks app and we're gonna look

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Speaker 2: at three today. Sean, what is your first prize pick?

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Speaker 3: So hopefully you listen to my advice a couple of

567
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Speaker 3: weeks ago and built some entries around Gus Edwards over

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Speaker 3: six hundred rushing yards. It is now up to eight

569
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty and a half rushing yards due to

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Speaker 3: JK Dobbin season an injury. I still think this is

571
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Speaker 3: too low. I'm projecting him close to one thousand yards,

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Speaker 3: so I would actually pick this up to about nine

573
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Speaker 3: to twenty five rushing yards. So I still think we

574
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Speaker 3: still we have some value here at eight fifty so

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Speaker 3: I love the over yep.

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Speaker 2: I have Gus Edwards over nine hundred yards in my

577
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Speaker 2: model as well, so I like that one. For mine,

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Speaker 2: I'm going with gets running back Michael Carter over five

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Speaker 2: to seventy five and a half rushing yards. Again, I

580
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Speaker 2: think there's been some pessimism after it was a backfield

581
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Speaker 2: committee in the preseason, and well, I do think the

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Speaker 2: other backs will mix in. The cream always rises to

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Speaker 2: the top, and that cream is Carter. He's great in

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Speaker 2: the past game, he's great in the run game, and

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Speaker 2: this is a really low bar to clear, so I

586
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Speaker 2: have him well over six hundred rushing yards on the season,

587
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Speaker 2: and that's a pretty conservative projection. So I love the

588
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Speaker 2: over five to seventy five and a half. Who's your

589
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Speaker 2: final prize pick entry for this week, sham.

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Speaker 3: So I'm diving into the week one pool here. I

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Speaker 3: just came out with my initial Week one projections, so

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Speaker 3: I'm going with the Justin Herbert under two hundred and

593
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Speaker 3: seventy four and a half passing yards Week one. They're

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Speaker 3: at Washington, so this is gonna be a really tough

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Speaker 3: test to begin this season. He's on our new system

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Speaker 3: under new offensive quarter Joe Lombardi, so you know he

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Speaker 3: might take a couple of weeks to kind of get

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Speaker 3: familar the system, really get going. This is a really

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Speaker 3: tough test week one, and Justin Herbert benefited his rookie

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Speaker 3: season not having to play away games in front of,

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Speaker 3: you know, maximum capacity crowds, so you know, maybe he's

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Speaker 3: a little rattle of Week one when they have a

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Speaker 3: full crowd there. So I love the under here. I'm

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Speaker 3: projecting this culture to two sixty, So I would pick

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Speaker 3: this down to about two seven or so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that Herbert call Washington is a tough

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Speaker 2: defense to move the ball against, So like that one

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Speaker 2: as well, And that's going to do it for our

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Speaker 2: elite entry for today again, we're going with Gus Edwards

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Speaker 2: over eight hundred and fifty and a half rushing yards

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Speaker 2: for the season, Michael Carter over five hundred seventy five

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Speaker 2: and a half rushing yards for the season, and Justin

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Speaker 1: Okay, back to the Fantasy flex. Let's keep it.

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Speaker 2: Going here with the AFC North and let's start in

625
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Speaker 2: Baltimore because JK. Dobbins goes down I was lucky enough

626
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Speaker 2: to be on the Bestball Charity League around the time,

627
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Speaker 2: so I gobbled up Tyson Williams, who could very well

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Speaker 2: inherit the Gus Edwards Roll well Edwards inherits to Dobbins roll.

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Speaker 2: All the reports at a camp have been that Justice

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Speaker 2: Hill has been whakt frogged by Williams even before this,

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Speaker 2: you know Dobbin's news, which kind of warrant the runner

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Speaker 2: more than the receiver, which is uh, you know, Justice Hill.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I likes. I like Williams as

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Speaker 2: a deep sleeper. But where do you have Gus? I

635
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Speaker 2: guess is my is my big question? Yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: have Gus up to RB twenty one right now. That's

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Speaker 2: I think that's even higher than I thought I was

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Speaker 2: high on.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, i'd probably And that's that's honestly like

640
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Speaker 3: his ceiling. I don't think he can go too much

641
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Speaker 3: higher unless you really do think he's going to hurt

642
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Speaker 3: the Dobbins role. I just don't think, I do.

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Speaker 1: What else could he like? Why else?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mean what we were projecting. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he will. I think I think that's

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Speaker 2: where they'll kind of split it up between him, you know,

647
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Speaker 2: Williams Hill. But in terms of carries, yeah, I haven't

648
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Speaker 2: pretty much inherited. I have n't thirteen carries a game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's why I have RB twenty one. I

650
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Speaker 3: think he's he's a good bet for a thousand yard

651
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Speaker 3: rush season with eight to ten rushing scores. So you know,

652
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Speaker 3: his ceiling will be dictated by how involved they'll get

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Speaker 3: him in, you know, the passing game. But I think

654
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Speaker 3: he's a safe bet. You could probably get him RB

655
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: twenty three to RB twenty five right now, I would assume.

656
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: So he's he's a pretty good RB two RB three

657
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: kind of guy. Obviously he takes a hit in any

658
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: sort of PPR format. But yeah, I'm with you on

659
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: Williams as being a high upside backup. Like this is

660
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: the Ravens, so we're very interested in the backup running backs.

661
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: I mean, even if Edwards were to stay healthy, like

662
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: you said, Williams could carve out an every week role

663
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: and provide flex value at times. But you know, Justice

664
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: still is still there. He could eat into that a bit.

665
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: But I think either one, if you're desperate for a

666
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: high upside flyer, can't go along. With either because again,

667
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: this Ravens team, even though they're talking about throwing the

668
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: ball more, they're definitely gonna be probably the most run

669
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: heavy team in the league. So we're definitely interested in

670
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: his running backs. And Edwards, I mean I got him,

671
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: I was getting him when he was RB forty. Oh yes,

672
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: but now I'm in draft still I think he's still

673
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: being underrated that just because I think he has such

674
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: a high floor. So I love I love getting Edwards.

675
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a ton of Gus Edwards and James

676
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Robinson in Best Ball, so oh wow, that's been worked

677
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: that's worked out, just pure luck. But this is why

678
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: you draft these kind of guys.

679
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to be honest as a fan, I would

680
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: have loved to have seen JK. Dobbins and Travis Aten

681
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: play this year. Oh absolutely, But yeah it's unfortunate. But yeah,

682
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: Edwards always had that sort of upside even if Dobbins

683
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: is healthy. So now that Dobbins is out, I mean

684
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: this is basically his backfield now.

685
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have him RB twenty one in standard twenty

686
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: three and a half, PPR twenty five in PPR, so

687
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: you do see the progressive downgrade in PPR formats, and

688
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: that's because he averages only about nine percent targets per

689
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: route run. So even if he's on the field and

690
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: is not pass blocking, they let him run some routes.

691
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: Lamar is usually not looking for the backs out there,

692
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: although I mean he hasn't practiced with any of his

693
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: receivers except with James Prochet, so you know who knows.

694
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Where he's gonna look this year.

695
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: So the passing game is, and I do want to

696
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: quickly talk about the passing game of forty move on

697
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: because I mean, I my mark, he's Brown rankings.

698
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: I feel like I jumped all over the map.

699
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: You know, he's been out, he's but he seems like

700
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: he could be a target hog if he's just healthy,

701
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: along with Andrews. But he hasn't been practicing. So I

702
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: have him forty eight in half PPR. I have him

703
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: missing it extra half a game compared to the you know,

704
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: the normal receivers. I give sixteen. I have Brown at

705
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: fifteen and a half. Where where are you on on

706
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: Brown in particular?

707
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: Oh, Marquise Brown, Yeah, he should be go, good to

708
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: go for week one. So I've boosted them back up.

709
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: He dropped all the way down to like wide receiver fifty.

710
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: I think it was when he was qushble. Now he's

711
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: back up to wide receiver forty four. For me, I think,

712
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: you know, his upside is worth taking at that range.

713
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 3: You know, Bateman is supposed to miss like the first month, right,

714
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: So I think that as long as Sammy Watkins is

715
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: healthy and Brown can have some other wide receiver kind

716
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: of take some of the coverage away, I think it's

717
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: gonna help Brown. But this passing offense in general, I'm

718
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: less bullish on than I was say two months ago. Yeah,

719
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: because of all the injuries and the lack of practice time, Like,

720
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: they'll probably get off to a slow start, but we'll

721
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: see by the Fantasy playoffs, this offense could be in rhythm,

722
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: and you know, guys like Bateman could still break out

723
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: later in the season. So I wouldn't count a guy

724
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: like Lamar Jackson out quite yet from having like an

725
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: overall QB one season. If anything, if he runs more

726
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 3: to begin the season, you know he's gonna have pretty

727
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: big weeks. But this passing offense should get better as

728
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: the season goes on.

729
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't mind drafting Brown because yeah, at

730
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: least get Vegas Week one, so you know, they might

731
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: they might start hot. You know, even though I'm totally

732
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: with you, I think I am concerned about the back

733
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: of time that Lamar has had with his pass catches

734
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: because Lamar, I think needs that time. He still has

735
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: ways to go as a passer to truly unlock his upside.

736
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: Let's go to the.

737
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns.

738
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: I think the big question here is how confident we

739
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: are in Odell Beckham Junior. Because you don't like to

740
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: put the injury prone wable on guys, especially non running backs.

741
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: It's just so hard to predict.

742
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: But Odell has missed time pretty consistently in most of

743
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: these last few seasons except one. So I have him

744
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: wide receiver twenty seven in half PPR right now, where

745
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: are you on OBJ?

746
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I have him wide

747
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: receiver twenty six. So I think, you know the fact

748
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: that he's being drafted like wide receiver thirty in that range,

749
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: we don't have to be that confident with him, Like

750
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: he does have that upside to be you know, potential

751
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: wide receiver one, probably not in this offense, but it's there.

752
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's deal with injuries in the past couple

753
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 3: of seasons, but you know, he was playing through injury.

754
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: I think it was what twenty nineteen, he's playing through hernia.

755
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's, for all we know, one hundred percent

756
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: juring this year, so maybe you know, we haven't seen

757
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: him play at one hundred percent for a few seasons.

758
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: So I do like taking Beckham in this range, especially

759
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: when you consider, you know, a guy like Kenny Galladay's

760
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: going this range, we don't even know if he's healthy.

761
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: There's a little bit more risk with these other receivers, right,

762
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: I don't think Beckham is that risk at all because

763
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: we know we're going to get you know, he's sort

764
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: of the play action and deep threat in this offense,

765
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: so he's going to have some big games. Yes, he

766
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: might be inconsistent, but again, in this wide receiver thirty range,

767
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: we're not asking for every week wide receiver one output

768
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: from him. So I think just giving his upside, he's

769
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: worth taking a flyer on in this range.

770
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember this is the first full year if

771
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: he stays healthy, that we're going to see him in

772
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: this fans Key offense as opposed to the Freddie Kitchens offense.

773
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: And I thought Stefanski did a good job of keeping

774
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: Odell involved, and I went back and watched him, you know,

775
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: over those first six games last year, and he looked good.

776
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: He looked explosive, he was involved in the offense. I mean,

777
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: he had ten targets in Week one of last year.

778
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: Unfortunately they came against Baltimore, so it didn't turn into much.

779
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: The next week he goes four to seventy four with

780
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: a touchdown four for fifty nine. Then he has the

781
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: big game against Dallas with the eighty one yards in

782
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: two touchdowns receiving and another seventy three yards on the

783
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: ground in a touchdown.

784
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: So I mean he has that, you know.

785
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Eighty one yard receiving, seventy three on the ground and

786
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: three combined touchdowns. Like that's the kind of upside you're

787
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: getting with Odell Beckham still a talented player. So I've

788
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: been getting a lot of him too, because yeah, I

789
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 2: do have him a little bit higher than adp. Let's

790
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: go to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I think we've kind

791
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: of settled on the fact that Deontay Johnson, Chase Klaypu,

792
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: and Juju Smith Schuster are all kind of wide receiver

793
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: twos you know some juju I think goes as a

794
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: wide receiver three four sometimes, so I do get a

795
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: lot of him, But I think the bigger question is,

796
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: given we have never seen him on an NFL field

797
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: or you know, in a regular season is Najie Harris,

798
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: what kind of workload do you think he ends up

799
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: with and where does that put him in your ranks.

800
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: I mean, he'll be the true workhorse back. The only

801
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: concern with him is the offensive line, and I think

802
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: you know if he were to struggle due to that,

803
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: they might throw to him even more so, I think

804
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: he is a very safe floor, like they're going to

805
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: use him no matter what. So he's a high end

806
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: RB two, Like he's the top RB two. I have

807
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: him just behind the tier with like Sikon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor,

808
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 3: Joe Mixon, Antonio Gibson. I think once those guys, once

809
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: those guys are off the board, you definitely want to

810
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: target Harris. I wouldn't really consider him over those guys.

811
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: I think they do have a higher ceiling. But you know,

812
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 3: we're in the range where volume is king for running

813
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: back and he's going to be a king. I don't

814
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: see how they give Benny Snell or McFarlane. I think

815
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: McFarlin got hurt, but.

816
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: He should start the yearn in short term, I R.

817
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean this is Naugieris's backfield, and I'm

818
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: pretty bullsh on the Steelers offense this year despite the

819
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: old line, so I think he'll benefit from that score

820
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: some goal one score. So yeah, I think he's a

821
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: high high end RB two.

822
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have him twelve, so I have him

823
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: as a low end RB one right on that border one.

824
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: I would take him over any of those guys. I

825
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: haven't had a Gibson actually because I think he does

826
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: have a higher ceiling, because I think he can be

827
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 2: a twenty five touch guy. I don't think they need

828
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Gibson to be that guy in Washington because you have McKissick.

829
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: You know he's going to take routes, and you have

830
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: Jarrett Patterson who they like a lot. So I think

831
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: like Mixon and Harris, who I think are a little

832
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: worried about because of the old lives, which is justifiable,

833
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: but these guys have legit, like twenty plus touch per

834
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 2: week upside that I think. You know, when you start

835
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: getting into like a Gibson or Edwards d Lair like that.

836
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: You know, it's a little it's there, but it's not.

837
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as high in terms of the ceiling.

838
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: So I like Najie Harris a lot.

839
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: Wait, Peyton Barber getting cut by Washington didn't boost your

840
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: rushing touchdowns for Antonio Gibson.

841
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: No, because I already had Barber getting like you know

842
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: that one half that half carry per game or something,

843
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: So it really just it just boosted up Jared Patterson

844
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: even more, who I love is a deep sleeper because

845
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: if if Gibson gets hurt, I think it's straight to Patterson,

846
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: not to Makissic, because or they would have just you know,

847
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: they would have kept Barber if they were concerned, if

848
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: they didn't want to complete back like that.

849
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: So but yeah, a little bit more of a joke

850
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: for I. What's your rushing touchdown projection for Gibson? I

851
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: just think he's he's a legit goal I'm back. So

852
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: that's why I probably have him over Harris.

853
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: Let's see, So I have Harris with devin point one

854
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns, Gibson.

855
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: I have at.

856
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: Eight four, So yeah, I do have Gibson with about

857
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: a one point three more touchdowns on about fifteen less

858
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: carries fifteen to twenty west carries. So yeah, I respect

859
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: Gibson's touchdown upside. I just think, you know, we were

860
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: looking at ceilings here and I think Paris could be

861
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: that Le'Veon bell tite workload, whereas Gibson you're still gonna

862
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: get some kissic and you know, if if there's an injury,

863
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Patterson's doing woombing. So that's all

864
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: like nothing against Gibson, Like this is just a tier.

865
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: It's just a tier exactly. We're not picking like two

866
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: fantasy points here. But I think Gibson's upside is if

867
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: a macis that goes down. I mean, we know Gibson

868
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: could be a pass catching back. He you know, he's

869
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: a converted wide receiver. So I think his upside is,

870
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, we've heard a potential like poor man CMC.

871
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: That's that's where I think the upside's coming in from

872
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: my angle, is like, is receipve usage could go up? Yeah,

873
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: that's the only thing missing from his game. But Harris

874
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: is already the workhorse back, so I agree that he

875
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: does have a massive ceiling. If the Steelers offense scores

876
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: a ton of points. This year, Harris will be an

877
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: RB one. So yeah, I'm kind of at the point

878
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: with the Steelers that I don't think it can be

879
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: any worse than last year. You know, you pointed out,

880
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: as a lot of people have kind of seen now

881
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: that Ben Roethlisberger looks a lot better in you know,

882
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: in terms of the arm strength, and that's going to

883
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: be husuly beneficial to everything the Steelers are trying to do.

884
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: And they were still a pretty profitable fantasy offense last year.

885
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Ben through what thirty three touchdowns, They just

886
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: you know, they couldn't punch it in around the goal line.

887
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: But that's why they went out and get a guy

888
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: like Naji Harris, a big guy who you know can

889
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: run even without perfect conditions because he can get yardage

890
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: after first contact. That's what's key. That's what he did

891
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: in school. So yeah, I'm I trust Nage. I think

892
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: there's the only thing that can go wrong is is

893
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: an injury.

894
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a huge workhoorse.

895
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't kind of knock him compared

896
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: to some of those other guys. But let's go to

897
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals, the team of the hats. Yes that

898
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: you know that we both copped. That's I didn't know

899
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: you had that this hat either. Like I copped it

900
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: a few days ago. I still got all the stickers

901
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: on it, you know. That's that's kind of how we

902
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: do in New York. Some people make fun of it,

903
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: or they make fun because we got the flat brims

904
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: instead of you know, curving it like like you always

905
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: say the dad hats. But this is all we're doing

906
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: New York man, And I know thisice is what you

907
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: do out here too, So don't knock it, man. Kind

908
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: of stay fresh over here.

909
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: Give those stickers on until Chase scores his first touchdown.

910
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: You know. So the only reason that I ever take

911
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: stickers off is because it depends on the hat. But

912
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: sometimes if you leave it on too long and then

913
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: it does come off or it does get messed up,

914
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: so you have to take it off.

915
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: It has that little circle, you know what I mean?

916
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: Because like so, like I I'm careful depending on the

917
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: color of that hat, I kind of have a feel

918
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: for it of which dickers I just want to take

919
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: off immediately, so I don't get that, you know, discoloration,

920
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: the little tan line or whatever you want to call it.

921
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I like leaving him on. Usually just buy

922
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: a new hat.

923
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: If the ste it's true, I usually just wrap them

924
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: off immediately.

925
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, that's a smart play to completely

926
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: avoid the tan line.

927
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: You know.

928
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamar Chase, I think that's the interesting question, and

929
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: I'll pose it to you this way, Jamar Chase or

930
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: Tyra Boyd. Jamar Chase goes in the wide receiver two range.

931
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: Tyra Boyd usually can be had as a wide receiver

932
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: three or four in ADP. Who's the better value.

933
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 3: Well, you know, considering Jamar Chase's ADP has slept quite

934
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: a bit, I think he's all the way down to

935
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty eight. I would still go Chase. You know,

936
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: I think Tyler Boyd probably has a higher floor, especially

937
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: to begin this season. I think Tyler board Boyd may

938
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: outscore Chase the first few games. But you know, I'm

939
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: interested in winning my fantasy football league, and I think

940
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase will be a wide receiver to come fantasy

941
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: playoff times. So that's why I think Chase is the

942
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: better value. You know, he's dropped his last four passes

943
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: in the preseason. He's looked a little bit rusty. He

944
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: set out the entire twenty twenty season, so you know

945
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a bit rusty. I kind of anticipated that,

946
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: So that's what That's what I'm saying, is like, you know,

947
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: his ADP has dropped because of the struggles, but I

948
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 3: kind of anticipated though, So I'm still on board Jamar Chase.

949
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: I still I haven't ranked wide receiver twenty four right now.

950
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: Higgins is just ahead of him. But Boyd's the kind

951
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: of guy where he's high floor guy. He probably won't

952
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: win your league. So that's why I'm more interested in Chase.

953
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Higgins Wide receiver twenty, Chase wide receiver thirty,

954
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: Boyd thirty seven. So given ADP, my guy is actually

955
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: I know I didn't put Higgins in a conversation, but

956
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: Higgins probably is actually the guy for me. I think

957
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: he has the best chance of winning your your weak

958
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: number one because he's just farther along. You know, he

959
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: has that extra year of chemistry with Burrow, and I

960
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: think he's like, he's everything that we want Chase to be.

961
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: Already to the point where you talk about a guy

962
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: that you know, we think of Chase. Okay, first round

963
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: or put up huge numbers in college, so you know

964
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: he has that wide receiver one upside Soda is Higgins,

965
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: like Soda is Higgins, and he's more established and hasn't

966
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: been dropping passes all crazy. And you know, Tyber Boyd,

967
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: I do agree. I think pretty much a PPR guy

968
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: for me. He's in He's thirty second in full PPR

969
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: for me, and I think that's very valuable because week

970
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: in week out you should count on him to run

971
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: eighty plus percent of the routes and catch you know,

972
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: four or five balls, which is very valuable. And when

973
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: you have to choose a starting lineup in best ball,

974
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: that's what I think. If you want to target Chase

975
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: instead of the safer guy and Boyd, I think that's

976
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: where you do it.

977
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: But I would.

978
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just saying, please draft T Higgins over Jamar Chase.

979
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: That's the one that I don't think is the plus

980
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: ev move is draft and Chase when Higgins is still

981
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: on a board. That's that's what I haven't done at

982
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: all this entire draft season.

983
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: You didn't give me the choice, but I agree with

984
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: you that T Higgins is the best value out of

985
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 3: the three.

986
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: And I will say that upon your your tip, I

987
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: went in and raised up cj Uzoma to the te

988
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 2: one because I had him splitting because I just didn't

989
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: know what was going on there in safety. But I

990
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: have looked into it and it does appear that Usoma

991
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: is going to be the starter. He had a lot,

992
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: he had good chemistry with Burrow, so I raised him

993
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: up to you know, put being the clear tight end

994
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 2: one with sample the clear tight end two. So Yusma

995
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: is actually my tight end twenty six now. So you're

996
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: in a two tight end league or a deep you know,

997
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: deep best ball whatever. He's viable at the end there.

998
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: You know, you finally came around in his zone. But

999
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: you're not projecting him for over fifty receptions, are you.

1000
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: I read that article too, and did you talk about

1001
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: the one in the athetic. Yeah, they want five guys

1002
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: to have fifty plus or something like.

1003
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: That threw him in there. He's not quite there for me,

1004
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: but I'm curious that we have him.

1005
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: I have him fifty five percent of the routes per

1006
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: game on the season, forty one catches on fifty eight

1007
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: targets for four hundred and ten yards.

1008
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: I have forty one catches as well that can wrap

1009
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: up our cj Uzoma to see Yeah, I mean no.

1010
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: He has the Bengals hats on, so we got to

1011
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: go through matterfact that's true.

1012
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: I will say this deep sleeper PPR sleeper.

1013
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: I know, if we had the Sleepers pod, I think

1014
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: I chose Boston Scott. I'd probably go Kenny Gainwell now

1015
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: over him because I think he's kind of emerged and

1016
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: he's you know, the rookie. But I will say this,

1017
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: if there's anyone that could pop out of nowhere and

1018
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: have like a Jadie mckissic, you know, just a bunch

1019
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: of receptions out of the blue.

1020
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: Chris Evans, the number two back on the Bengals. He's

1021
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: a rookie.

1022
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: He's going to play that gioe Bernard ro It looks

1023
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: like they released Puka Williams, another guy that potentially could

1024
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: have factored into that backfield. They still have p Ryan,

1025
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: but he's not really a great pass catching back. You

1026
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: finally giving him some Harry's He can run side the tackles.

1027
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: But Evans could be that you know, satellite back that

1028
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: you get for free and could keep you afloat on

1029
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: some tough by weeks or injury weeks. So I have

1030
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: him running back sixty three in half PPR, fifty seven

1031
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: in full PPR. So you know, if you're in a

1032
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: league that's twelve teams deep and you're drafting you know,

1033
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: five six running backs, I think he's worth a pick,

1034
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: and he's not usually getting picked.

1035
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, I love that, love that call, and I'll

1036
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: throw it. Since we're both wearing Bengals hats, I'll throw

1037
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: out my sleeper pick on this team, and that's Audentate,

1038
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: that wide receiver. I mean, if either Boyd Higgins or

1039
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: Chase goes down, he could be an eighty percent snaps

1040
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: the game kind of guy. This you know, this offense

1041
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: is sort of designed off of the McVeigh scheme. And

1042
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: I always loved rostering Josh Reynolds late in drafts because

1043
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: you know, either Cooper Cut, Robert Woods, or Brandon Cooks

1044
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: went down, Josh Reynolds had some wide receiver three value.

1045
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: So that's why Audentate, I think, is in a deeper league,

1046
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: you know, good bench stash, because anyone of these guys

1047
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 3: go down and he could potentially be like a wide

1048
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: receiver for flex kind of guy. So he's my sleeper.

1049
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: We do you go mixing, I have him RB eleven.

1050
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: I seem to be higher than consensus.

1051
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: Where oh yeah, I think I have him number ten. Yeah, yeah,

1052
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: so I'm very high on mixing. So he's got to

1053
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: stay healthy. But yeah, if he does, watch out.

1054
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dio Bernard got like four carries combined in the

1055
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: first five games where mixing was healthy, So Evans would

1056
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: be even higher if mixing wasn't getting such a huge

1057
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: carry share. But they're going to feed this guy as

1058
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: long as he's on the field, so I think mixing

1059
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: goes a little bit, a little bit too lower. He's

1060
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: just like people kind of hate on him compared to

1061
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: some of those other guys, whereas I think he has

1062
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: a higher ceiling, yeah than most and like he's to me,

1063
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: he's no more risky than Saquon Barkley, and yet Barkley

1064
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: usually goes well ahead of him, And I think Mixing,

1065
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: even if they're both healthy, has a decent shot to

1066
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: out score Barkley. So like like Joe Mixon, so I

1067
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: think we've hit on every Bengal. Love Joe Burrow too.

1068
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: If you wait on quarterback Joe Burrow, love him average

1069
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: forty point four attempts per game last season. So yeah,

1070
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: got a lot to like with this Bengals offense. They

1071
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: just need to make sure they can protect and they

1072
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: may not be able to that great, but that they'll

1073
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 2: put them behind the sticks and they'll still get a

1074
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: lot of PPR points. So it should be a profitable

1075
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: fantasy offense either way. Speaking of profitable fantasy offenses, Houston

1076
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: Texas don't look like once I want to actually start

1077
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: with them, just because my question to you is, will

1078
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: anyone have value on this team? Yeah?

1079
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Cooks certainly has value.

1080
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: He's going to be the number one target in this

1081
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: offense as bad as will as it will be. I

1082
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: think he has some wide receiver three potential, so I

1083
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: do like targeting him at ADP and then Nico Collins,

1084
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, as the wide receiver two in

1085
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: this offense has value. They're going to have so many

1086
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: trailer game scripts that they're going to have to throw.

1087
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: Tyrod Taylor certainly lowers their ceiling, but you can't go

1088
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: wrong with either one of these guys ADP, especially after

1089
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: they got rid of Randall Cobb and now they cut

1090
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: Kiki q T Anthony Miller, who they traded for, is

1091
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: banged up. So I think that, you know, the offense

1092
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: is going to go through these two wide outs, so

1093
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: I do think they'll have some fantas value. Outside of that,

1094
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: I want nothing to do with them. I think you

1095
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: might have a case for Philip Lindsay, I'm out, Jordan Akins,

1096
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm out, Tyrod Taylor, I'm out. I'm just interested in

1097
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks and Nico Collins in deeper leagues.

1098
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandon Cooks has some appeal because he could be

1099
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: that air yards leader on you know, on on his

1100
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: team and buy a wide amount. It's frustrating because usually

1101
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: roster cuts are like, yes, we can finally kind of

1102
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: we the scrubs and finalize are like usage projections for

1103
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: each team, and the Texas are one of the first

1104
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: teams I remember in a long time that roster cut

1105
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: day just made their projections more confusing because they release

1106
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 2: or cut or like every or got a guy hurt

1107
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: at every slot receiver. Every slot receiver they have is

1108
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: somehow not on a roster anymore. They traded random cow

1109
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: Miller got hurt, h they released QT, and they released

1110
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: Alex Erickson like they have literally zero slot receiver.

1111
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: They had Coulter and they had DeAndre Carter, they had that.

1112
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 3: One time they had eight slot receivers.

1113
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: Now they have zero, So like who plays the slot?

1114
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: Like?

1115
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: What is that?

1116
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: Assuming they don't add like I think Erickson has this

1117
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: five years, so maybe they could bring him back, you know,

1118
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: after they do their injury things. But like, assuming they

1119
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: have Cooks, Collins, Conley and Miller's hurt and Roberts is

1120
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, active for return duties, who starts and who's

1121
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: is their starting lineup? Just Cooks, Collins and Conley with

1122
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: one of those guys in the slot.

1123
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, probably, I mean Anthony Miller might be available

1124
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: week one. How about David Johnson, I mean they seem

1125
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: to have no use for him in the running game.

1126
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: Are they secretly planning to make him the slot receiver?

1127
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, but him or Brevin Jordan then the

1128
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: key side end? Yeah?

1129
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, two tight end sets is certainly an option. But

1130
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: either way, I want nothing to do with whoever this

1131
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: wide receiver three is in this offense. But yeah, Nico Collins,

1132
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: I think he could get off to a slow start.

1133
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying draft them necessarily, but keep him on

1134
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: your radar. I think by the end of the season

1135
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: he should be the number two target and definitely has

1136
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: potential to tear it up. So he's the sleeper guy

1137
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: on this team.

1138
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: Give me your Lindsey Johnson Ingram rankings.

1139
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: Oh god, probably Lindsay and then Johnson and then Ingram.

1140
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what other actual like what are your like the rankings?

1141
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean, so I.

1142
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: Have this is the kind of backtroll of rankings don't

1143
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 3: even matter right now. I have Lindsay forty nine, probably

1144
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: worth drafting a little bit higher because he should be

1145
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: the week one starter, and then I have Johnson a

1146
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: little bit higher because I think he does have that

1147
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 3: receiving role locked up sod DJ running back forty five,

1148
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: and then I have mark Ingram all the way down

1149
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 3: at like running back seventy. But apparently he's looked good

1150
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: and he's mixing in. So I mean, if you want

1151
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: to take a flyer on these guys, go for it.

1152
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 3: But it's it's a disaster, especially with like Rex Burkehead

1153
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: factored in. You don't want to invest in running backs

1154
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: on bad teams. You don't want to invest in three

1155
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: to four way running back committees and the Texans have both,

1156
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm completely out on these backs.

1157
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Lindsay forty six, Ingram fifty two, Johnson

1158
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: fifty eight. So I have Johnson getting the third most

1159
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: cat like the least carries of the top three guys,

1160
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: because that would make sense.

1161
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: And then Kully.

1162
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: He has connections with Ingram because Kully was in Baltimore,

1163
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: so the fact that he brought him over and then

1164
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: he looks to be factoring in. I think that, you know,

1165
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: that could play a role here because it's not like

1166
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: anyone's running away with the job. So yeah, I agree,

1167
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a real profitable situation, but there

1168
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: are people in deeper lead who might need or you

1169
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: just might you know, might need a running back early

1170
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: in the season, maybe somebody gets hurt. So that that's

1171
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 2: kind of how i've him ranked. But don't feel great

1172
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: anymore about it. It just just too much confusion there. Let's

1173
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: go to the speaking of confusion, the Colts. T Y

1174
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: Hilton has been placed on short term injured reserve with

1175
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: a neck injury. But you and I were talking before

1176
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: the show. This might not just be oh he misses

1177
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: three games. This might be he misses that entire you know,

1178
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: three games, and then the three week window that they

1179
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: have to activate him. So I have Ti projected for

1180
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: ten games. He's outside of my top eighty wide receivers

1181
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: right now. So where are you? Is there any value

1182
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: I guess in this pass catching corpse because you also

1183
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: have we don't know what's going on.

1184
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: With Carson Wentz.

1185
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: This is an unvaxxed, this is a team with a

1186
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: low vaccination rate, So I mean, what are you doing

1187
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: with these with these colts?

1188
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: I think Pittman is still the guy to target. He

1189
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: should be the number one option. Certainly could be that

1190
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: the red zone threat that you know Wentz when Wentz

1191
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: is healthy, that he leans on in the red zone.

1192
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: So Pittman's my guy. I think Paris Campbell has his

1193
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: ton of upside, so he's another guy I would target

1194
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: later in the drafts. And then, as always, Zach Pascal

1195
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: will weasel his way into fancy relevance this year again

1196
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: another guy where he could have some touchdown spike games.

1197
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: But either way, I think, you know, Pittman's probably the

1198
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: only guy I'm actively targeting in drafts because he probably

1199
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: will be the number one option in this offense, and

1200
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: then the tight end situation is a mess I'm sort

1201
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: of just avoiding that altogether. But yeah, with everything in

1202
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: flux right now, it's you know, t Y Hilton went

1203
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: surprised me if he misses more than half the season,

1204
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: which does help, you know, clear up this this target share,

1205
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 3: but it's still messy. So it's just Pittman for me

1206
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: right now.

1207
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: Yes, so I know you read the article in the

1208
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: Athletic about the Bengals and how they want to get

1209
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: fifty catches for five guys. Did you read the one

1210
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: where the Colts said they're essentially they don't want to

1211
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: have anyone getting a lot of targets, like they just

1212
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: want to spread the ball around, Because well, yeah, that

1213
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: sounds about right. Yeah, so it's it's tough.

1214
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: That's how I'm projecting him and Mike stratch in.

1215
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's been flashing.

1216
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: He was really good in preseason, so he made the team.

1217
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: He may sneak in there, but again, this isn't unless

1218
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: you're in a really, really really deep league that starts

1219
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: five receivers. These aren't really guys you needed to be

1220
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: focused on now. Maybe in season if you know one

1221
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: or two of these guys get gets hurt. Sure, but

1222
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: right now again it's really just Pittman or bust for me.

1223
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, same here, and I don't I'm not even that

1224
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: bullish on Pittman. And I love Pittman as a player,

1225
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: but I have him at wide receiver fifty four and

1226
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: half PPR, So it's not like you're not really getting

1227
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: any value when because he usually goes a little earlier

1228
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: than that in terms of receiver ADP, so not too

1229
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: much I'm seeing here. Then the rookie Ki when Grantson

1230
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: looks like he's going to take the Tray Burton roll,

1231
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: so it'll be like a true three way committee at

1232
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: tight end. And Taylor he's my running back eight where

1233
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: you got Taylor?

1234
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: I have him RB ten but honestly, like eight till eleven,

1235
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: I feel like you can make a case four or

1236
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: against them being ranked in any different order. So he's

1237
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: He's the guy that I've you know, been moving up

1238
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: a little bit now that it looks like Quentin Nelson

1239
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: is I think a lock to play week one now

1240
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz is trending that direction, so I'm more comfortable

1241
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: taking Taylor, you know, in that range. But again it's

1242
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: This is the range where all take whoever falls to me.

1243
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 3: Give me any four of these guys in this range

1244
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: and I'll be fine.

1245
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars. Who's the best receiver valued there? Is it Chark,

1246
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: Channault or Marvin Jones? They all go in that wide

1247
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: receiver three range. I have chart thirty four, Channel thirty five,

1248
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: Jones thirty nine.

1249
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Chark probably has the higher ceiling, but

1250
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 3: I'm not getting him as much. And you know, I

1251
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: was getting Marvin Jones back in like May or June

1252
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 3: when his ADP is like wide receiver sixty five, so

1253
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 3: his ADP is much closer than my rank now around

1254
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: like wide receiver forty eight. I would say the guy

1255
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: that I'm the most bullish on is Laviska Chanlt, especially

1256
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: after the Travis Atn injury. They cut Colin Johnson, they

1257
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: cut Philip Dorsett. Not that those guys really they probably

1258
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: weren't vaccinating. Oh really, Oh no, I think there's joking,

1259
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: but they they so they had Tevon Austin and Jamal

1260
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: Agnew who was a former cornerback.

1261
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna play, he's gonna be active every week.

1262
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's they don't have anything behind him, like

1263
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: the tight ends. It's almost like the Patriots situation for

1264
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 3: a tight end. I can't imagine Tyron. They just got

1265
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 3: Tyron exactly. I was gonna say so now they they

1266
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: do have a semi quality wide receiver four, but either way,

1267
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: I think they're going to just manufacture targets for Chanel.

1268
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: I love his upside. You know, he's he's one of

1269
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: those players. I think he can make a really big

1270
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: Year two leak. So despite his ADP being pretty high

1271
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: and I kind of pegged him as being a sort

1272
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: of a low ceiling player, I've backed off that a bit.

1273
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: I think he does have wide receiver two potential. If

1274
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, they do manufacture as many targets as I

1275
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: think they will for him. So he's the guy I'm

1276
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: interested in the most out of this trio.

1277
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: And don't forget he had fourteen uh no, he had

1278
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: eighteen carries last year, So that's it's well within the

1279
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: range of outcomes for him to even get as high

1280
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: as like a Curtis Samuel or a card Aeroll Patterson.

1281
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: You know, get into that like thirty forty carry range,

1282
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: and he's very explosive. I mean, I loved him coming

1283
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: out of school. He just can He can take any

1284
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: pass to the house. He looked good in preseason. He

1285
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: looked like a true receiver, not just like a gadget guy.

1286
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's Shanav for me too. Again, just went

1287
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: in doubt target these year two breakouts because that's where

1288
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: you tend to be ADP the most.

1289
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: Like you know, Chart could be.

1290
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: A little bit of a value, Jones could be a

1291
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: little bit of a value. But Chanault is the guy

1292
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: who I think really could be a lead winner. So

1293
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: he's a guy for me. And then have you said

1294
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: you have James Robinson what like twelve?

1295
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: I have him.

1296
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 2: I have him RB sixteen and half PPR right now,

1297
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: you've got to hire, right.

1298
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: I've been filling around with projections obviously the past twenty

1299
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: four hours, and I think he's in that RB fifteen

1300
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: range for me. Now, yeah, RB sixteen, So in that

1301
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: Chris Carson's right there with Hilaire Heire.

1302
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I have Robinson one spot ahead

1303
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: of Carson. But don't mind any of them. If you

1304
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: need to take a running back in that range. I

1305
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: don't tend to do that too much because I really

1306
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: like going wide receiver in rounds three, four five, almost

1307
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: regardless of what I did in rounds one and two. Like,

1308
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: if I got receivers early, then I'm just going zero

1309
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: running back. If you know, if I got two running

1310
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: backs earlier, then great, then I'll just get my three receivers.

1311
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: If I got a stud tight end, then I'll just

1312
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: kind of go hero running back and take a you know, wait,

1313
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: because I just love the receiver value in three, four five,

1314
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not getting too much Robinsoner or those guys.

1315
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: But I certainly I think he has a high floor

1316
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: in talented player, so she should get a ton of work.

1317
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned with high too much at being at

1318
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: this stage of his career. Let's go to the Fantasy Titans,

1319
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: and the questions for the Titans is Julio Jones. Where

1320
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: do you? Where are you ending up with him ranked

1321
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: heading into the year?

1322
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's He's really tricky to not project, but to

1323
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: rank because right now I'm projecting him to miss half

1324
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: a game more than your average receiver. So most receivers

1325
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: I have projected for fifteen point nine games, so they're

1326
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: projected to miss.

1327
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: Is that is that like fifteen divided into sixteen times seventeen.

1328
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: Uh not how you got to that?

1329
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, yeah yeah, so typically it's one game,

1330
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 3: so they get the additional point one. Yes, you're correct.

1331
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew that. I knew that. Matt like this,

1332
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: that's how much I'm like, you know, we see Bringey

1333
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: spreadsheets all the time. I'm like, it's like comes naturally

1334
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: to me. Now I'm like, oh, Sean has because I

1335
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: just do sixteen straight up, kind of like a median.

1336
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: But like I saw the fifteen point nine and I'm like,

1337
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying, you know, I try to do the math

1338
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: in my head just because that's just what I do.

1339
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, I bet it's fifteen

1340
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: into sixteen. Got managed seventeen and it doesn't matter because

1341
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: it's for everybody. Yeah, So for reference, you know, I

1342
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: have Julio Jones at fifteen point three, But how do

1343
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: you get to that? Like, how do you do? That's

1344
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: just how do you get to fifteen point three?

1345
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: It's more of an art than a science. And I'm

1346
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 3: trying to get him ranked where I would draft him.

1347
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: That's the ultimate goal, right at you. So, you know

1348
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 3: he's been dealing with injuries all camp. He hasn't practiced much.

1349
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm not too worried about that. Whenever he is on

1350
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: the field, I mean he's elite. My wide receiver won projections,

1351
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: he's he's wide receiver ten, so I mean when he's

1352
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 3: in the lineup, he's going to give you points. So

1353
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: that's why you know I would draft him higher than

1354
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty because we talked about all the time,

1355
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 3: it's about usable games. When Julio Jones is out of

1356
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 3: the lineup, you know not to play and you're replace

1357
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 3: him with somebody else. That's sort of valuable knowing that

1358
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: he's going to provide you really high end wide receiver

1359
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 3: two value at a cheaper price. So I probably draft

1360
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: him in the wide receiver fifteen to sixteen range. That's

1361
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: why I'm saying my projections versus my rank where I

1362
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 3: draft him is a little bit tricky. I think he's

1363
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: a guy that you're going to draft earlier because he

1364
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: has a higher ceiling and you know, injuries are not predictable,

1365
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 3: so I'm not saying he's going to.

1366
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: Make then you should then you should move him back

1367
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: to fifteen point.

1368
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 3: Now, well, then he'll be like nine, and that's way early.

1369
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: So I just think wide receiver twenty that range. If

1370
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: he falls there, I'm taking him every time. But certainly

1371
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: you can take him in the wide receiver fifteen sixteen range,

1372
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 3: which I've seen you do. Oh yeah, yeah, so you're

1373
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: pretty high on him too, right.

1374
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: I actually have him the same as you like wide

1375
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: receiver twenty one. But again, it's all about tears for me,

1376
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,919
Speaker 2: and I love all of those receivers going arounds three

1377
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: through five. I don't really discriminate on any of them,

1378
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: except maybe Chase because I just feel like he goes

1379
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: a little too early. I think it's a it's a

1380
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: better strategy just looking back at past history and bus

1381
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: grates and things like that, you're gonna get more value,

1382
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: more bang for your buck drafting wide receivers in that range.

1383
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: Because remember the you know, a top ten running back.

1384
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: We're not even talking top five, but a top ten

1385
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: running back. The median ADP that they've been gone by

1386
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: is nineteenth overall, So you know, once you get past that,

1387
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: you know high end RB.

1388
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: You know that running back one.

1389
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: Tier essentially, which is pretty deep this year because I

1390
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: think it extends to Mixin and Harris and guys like

1391
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: But once you get past those guys. You know, I

1392
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: think you're just really kind of shooting for running back

1393
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: two ceilings, whereas like Julio Jones, as you're alluded to,

1394
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: he could be a wide receiver one that you're getting

1395
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: at wide receiver fifteen to twenty. So yeah, like Julio,

1396
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: draft him a ton because he does tend to slip

1397
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 2: to me in their force.

1398
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: Round quite often. I will say, if you've never owned

1399
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: Julio ever in fancy, if you don't like headaches, don't

1400
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 3: draft Julio because every week, every week he's just a nightmary.

1401
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: He's always questionable game time decision and you know that

1402
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 3: if he plays, you have to play him. Like he's

1403
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 3: sort of difficult to own. But when he does play,

1404
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: he's a slam duck almost every time. But I will

1405
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 3: caution people that had never owned him that he is

1406
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 3: a headache to own.

1407
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's out of Atlanta though, so that

1408
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: he might actually like care more now because that was

1409
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: his whole thing.

1410
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: He was just like done with the Falcons.

1411
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 2: I like he kind of soured on Arthur Blank and everyone,

1412
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: and he just never wanted to practice and kind of

1413
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: was like looking out for his hisself but.

1414
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you get a better attitude out of Julio.

1415
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, like Julio, a lot is that we're just curious,

1416
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:44,839
Speaker 2: where do you have Fokster.

1417
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: I have him at twenty two.

1418
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: I just don't know if he gets enough snaps because

1419
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't block at all to truly be like a

1420
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: difference maker.

1421
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: Do you do you have him higher or well?

1422
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: I have him sixteen, Okay, And that's because of the

1423
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 3: blood bath happening at tight end right now. So he

1424
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 3: leaped frog Troutman. He leaped frog IRV Smith obviously, and

1425
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 3: I think I evenim bumped Evan Ingram down quite a bit,

1426
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 3: so he leap progged him. So that's why, just by

1427
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: default he's moved up to sixteen. By no means is

1428
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 3: he as slam duck. But he is one of my

1429
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 3: favorite like low end tight end two flyers I've been

1430
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: taking because he is, you know, taking over the John

1431
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: new Smith roll apparently. So I just think he does

1432
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 3: have a higher floor than other guys in this range.

1433
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, like he's tight end sixteen by default just

1434
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: for moving up because of these injuries.

1435
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know if he can take

1436
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: over because if John hus Smith Roll involved a ton

1437
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: of blocking, which.

1438
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: I just I don't.

1439
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy blocked on like two percent of

1440
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: his route or three percent of his routes in his career.

1441
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 2: So I just I think there's a low floor, like

1442
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 2: I just don't end up getting him, I guess, is

1443
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because he's usually gone like by the

1444
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: time I'm drafting. So yeah, I guess I'm lower on

1445
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: him than consensus. Let's go to the AFC West. We

1446
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: got the chief starting probably Micole Hardman, along with you know,

1447
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 2: Tyreek Ko and then you know Byron Pringle or DeMarcus

1448
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: Robinson will be that number three. So Hardman, I think

1449
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: is a tough guy to rank because you never quite

1450
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: know is he going to be like.

1451
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: A true starting wide receiver.

1452
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: Is he still gonna sub out AI And you know

1453
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 2: guys like Robinson are going to beat him in routes run.

1454
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: So what do you have Hardman ranked?

1455
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's similar to Julio Jones, where I'd probably

1456
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 3: draft him higher than where I have ranked. I think,

1457
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 3: you know I have him ranked wide receiver fifty eight range,

1458
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 3: but this is the range where you want to go

1459
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: for upside. He absolutely has that like he has wide

1460
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 3: receiver three upside, and if Terry Hill were toever mess time,

1461
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: I think he has wide receiver two upside. Now he's

1462
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: struggled in camp. He you know, he's still pretty raw

1463
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: as a receiver, which is disappointing this you know, lateness career.

1464
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: He's entering year three, so I was hoping he'd be

1465
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: a little bit more. But you can't deny the upside.

1466
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: And he's one of those guys where if he busts,

1467
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: he's not going to kill you. In this range, you're

1468
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: just drafting a guy that's gonna mail your betch anyway.

1469
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm okay drafting him, you know, around

1470
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 3: the wide receiver fifty range, because for me, it's all

1471
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 3: about upside and potentially being Patrick mahomes number three target.

1472
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 3: You know, that's too good to pass up. So I

1473
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 3: think he is still worth drafting at ADP.

1474
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't met wide receiver fifty six, but I'd

1475
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: also take.

1476
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: Him a little higher than that.

1477
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: Denver Courtland Sutton looks like he's going to be healthy,

1478
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: after all he played in the preseason. He had been

1479
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: having a rough camp, but I think health is the

1480
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: important thing with him. Jerry Judy and Sutton tend to

1481
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 2: go around somewhat the same time.

1482
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: Judy a little bit earlier.

1483
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 2: He climbs into the low and wide receiver two ranks sometimes.

1484
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: But what do you think is a better value at

1485
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: ADP knowing that Sutton should be on a field week one?

1486
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 3: Is it Judy or Sutton? So this is less about

1487
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: like not liking Sutton. I think Sutton's a good receiver.

1488
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: He definitely has a high ceiling. But I've been all

1489
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: about Jerry Judy all off season. I was targeting him

1490
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: heavily when he was like wide receiver thirty seven. Now

1491
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 3: he's all the way up to like, like you said,

1492
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: like a low end wide receiver two. I've seen his

1493
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: ADP climb up to about wide receiver twenty seven, and

1494
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 3: I would still consider him there. I think he's just

1495
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 3: a massive, massive breakout candidate having a year or two leap.

1496
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 3: I mean, he was good as a rookie, but he

1497
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: had so many things going against him last year. I

1498
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: already mentioned he had the thirteen drops. That's not a

1499
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: sticky stat. I expect him to improve on that. I

1500
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 3: think having Teddy Bridgewater as quarterback may help, you know,

1501
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 3: see more catchbull passes. He had lousy touchdown look, he

1502
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: had zero touchdown receptions on seven in zone targets, so

1503
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 3: you know he's due for positive aggression there. And like

1504
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 3: I mentioned, you know, the poor quarterback play last year

1505
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 3: should only get better this year, so I think he

1506
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 3: will see more balls. That's why I think Judy is

1507
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 3: just a massive year two breakout candidate. And I still

1508
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 3: like getting him even at wide receiver twenty seven.

1509
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Judy at thirty one and Setting at

1510
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 2: thirty three, so a lot of the value has kind

1511
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: of been taken out of Judy for me. But but

1512
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: now I think, yeah, I think Judy has the higher

1513
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: ceiling and Sutton has a lower floor because you're running

1514
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: routes with a guy like Judy who gets probably going

1515
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: to get more separation and get open more. kJ Hammer's

1516
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: a guy who can create some separation, and you're also

1517
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: going to be we don't know how many pass attempts.

1518
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: They're going to have Vic Fangio defensive minded coach. They

1519
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: should be really good on defense. So I think Judy

1520
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: is definitely the pick for me in those guys, and

1521
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: that running back I like Javonte Williams. I have him

1522
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: at twenty four, and I think I've been getting a

1523
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 2: lot of Gordon too. Who I think it's still going

1524
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: to be close to a fifty to fifty for most

1525
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: of the year. I think, you know, Williams, I do

1526
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: have him getting more usage. That's why I have him

1527
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: up to twenty four. I think he'll actually play a

1528
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: lot in the past scheme. I think they like him there.

1529
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: But I still have Gordon at thirty three, so essentially

1530
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: like one of the top you know, RB threes.

1531
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: So just what do you think of Gordon this year?

1532
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would call that a practical pick, which there's

1533
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 3: certainly nothing wrong with that. You don't like draft Melvin Gordon.

1534
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: So your friends like, hey, look at my team, I

1535
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: got Melvin Gordon. But I'm with you, like, I still

1536
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: haven't projected right there at RB thirty. He's one of

1537
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 3: those guys that hit. His value will probably peak at

1538
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: the beginning of the season. So if you're hurting it

1539
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 3: running back and you know you need like a week

1540
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 3: one to five starter, definitely target a guy like Melvin Gordon.

1541
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 3: He probably won't win your league, but it probably means

1542
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 3: you're stacked at the other position, so they'll be fine,

1543
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 3: and then you can stash guys like a Trace Sermon

1544
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: or Michael Carter on your bench in the meantime. But

1545
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, definitely, taking Melvin Gordon can be part

1546
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:51,919
Speaker 3: of a winning draft strategy.

1547
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's really nottting behind those two guys, so

1548
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 2: I think the plan is for those guys to split

1549
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: reps all year. You know they that was Phil at

1550
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: Rinsey his role last year. It's just that he got

1551
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 2: hurt so much. But you know, Gordon would get like

1552
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: fourteen carries and Windsy would get ten. And this should

1553
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: be a run Eavy team, so there should be enough

1554
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: caries to go around. We don't really expect Bridgewater or

1555
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: Locke to run a lot, so I think they're both

1556
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 2: high floor picks. Don't mind either of them for the Chargers.

1557
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 2: I think the interesting question is, you know, Justin Herbert

1558
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: goes ahead of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Jalen Hurts

1559
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, should he be Because for me,

1560
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 2: it's no, I mean, I love him, but I just

1561
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: think those guys with Brady and Rodgers, like we've seen

1562
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 2: that a week passing upside, and then with Hurts he

1563
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: has that like more rushing upside, So it's hard for

1564
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 2: me to justify Herbert over those three guys. What about you?

1565
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's interesting because obviously I think he's, you know,

1566
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 3: one of the most talented up and coming quarterbacks. But

1567
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 3: I do agree that his ADP's probably too high. I'm

1568
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 3: avoiding this tier in most drafts. But you already mentioned,

1569
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: you know, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady probably they most

1570
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 3: certainly have a higher floor, but it's not like their

1571
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 3: ceiling is lower than Herbert. They all kind of have

1572
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 3: a similar ceiling. So that's why if you're going to

1573
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 3: go with the QB in this range, why not go

1574
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 3: within Aaron Rodgers or even Tom Brady. And then if

1575
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 3: you're going for just insane ceiling like QB one overall

1576
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 3: ceiling and willing to take some risk, go with Jalen Hurts. So,

1577
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: you know, justin Herbert's the kind of guy that doesn't

1578
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 3: really fit in any of those draft strategies. So I

1579
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: do agree that he's probably being drafted too early.

1580
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know if he has like forty

1581
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: eight touchdown, four interception or whatever it was Roger's ceiling.

1582
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has like Brady like Peyton

1583
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: Madding second year in Denver ceiling and he doesn't have

1584
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: like the seven hundred plus rushing yard ceiling a hurt.

1585
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: So it's you know, if he was going in that

1586
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 2: range where okay, whoever falls to me, then I'd be

1587
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: fine with it because I think he's kind of a

1588
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 2: mix of everything and just a guy that should play

1589
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 2: well and is a great quarterback. But the fact that

1590
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 2: he a lot of times goes ahead of those guys, Yeah,

1591
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 2: I don't really get too much of him, so, you know,

1592
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: hoping that he doesn't completely go off and destroy that,

1593
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: but I usually do. I'm not avoiding this tier at

1594
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 2: all because I think there's a bigger drop off after that,

1595
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: aside from Tannehill, who's pretty underrated. You get then you're

1596
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 2: talking about a lot of pocket passers are like a

1597
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: really risky rushing guy like Daniel Jones. So yeah, I

1598
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: tend to I don't like to let a court like

1599
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: anyone path hurts go off the board before I've drafted

1600
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 2: a quarterback, like I want to have somebody in that

1601
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: top ten raiders Josh Jacobs versus Kenyan Drake, who's the

1602
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: better value there. Jacobs has been slipping sometimes into the

1603
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: sixth round, but Drake still can be had, you know, ninth,

1604
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: tenth round.

1605
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 1: Who's the better value.

1606
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 3: The better values probably Kenny on Drake, but it's hard

1607
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: to get too excited over either one. So in those situations,

1608
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 3: I tend to prefer the guy with the lower ADP.

1609
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 3: I think Drake could provide you know, weekly flex RB

1610
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 3: three value when we get these heavy bye week or

1611
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 3: you know, you have injuries on your team, and then

1612
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 3: he has that RB two upside if Josh Jacobs whatever

1613
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 3: mess time and you know, I think he basically robs

1614
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: Jacobs of his RB one ceiling. So that's why I

1615
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 3: think Jacob's the kind of guy where if he falls

1616
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 3: you at the end of the RB two tier, I'm

1617
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 3: okay taking him, but he just scares me because you know,

1618
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 3: he's limited in the receiving game. Drake might steal some

1619
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 3: of the goal line work. There's so much uncertainty that

1620
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 3: in these situations, like I said, I tend to prefer

1621
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 3: the cheaper guy, and that's Drake here.

1622
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually like Jacob's just given how much he slipped,

1623
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: because I still I don't think much has changed there.

1624
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: I mean, remember, Jacobs was never a pass catching back,

1625
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 2: and there usually was two running backs. It was usually

1626
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: Rashard and you know, like a Booker or a Washington.

1627
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: Rashard is starting the year banged up.

1628
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 2: He's been getting phased out, so it's probably gonna be

1629
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: Drake Moore, so inheriting what used to be kind of

1630
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: split between Rashard and another back. I don't think Jacob's

1631
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 2: role really changes that much, and he was he has

1632
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 2: been an RB one with the low passing game usage,

1633
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 2: so I actually think he's a very good value. I

1634
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: still have him ranked right in that middle tier of

1635
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: RB twos at RB fifteen and half PPR, and that's

1636
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: what not giving him much receiving production at all, because

1637
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 2: I still think he gets his you know, sixteen carries

1638
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 2: per game, that was his that was his medium. Last

1639
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: year his average was actually eighteen point two per game,

1640
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 2: so I have some regression there and he still projects

1641
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 2: pretty high with So.

1642
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: You said RB fifteen and half PPR. Yep, nice, I

1643
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 3: have RB eighteen, so yeah, if his ADP's RB twenty

1644
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 3: or if he falls there usually does get Yeah. Yeah,

1645
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 3: so that's fine. Who do you have?

1646
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 2: You have?

1647
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 3: You obviously have Swift below him.

1648
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: I have I have Swift below him, I have him

1649
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: right there with Robinson kind of tied essentially, and then

1650
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: I think Edward Zulaire is like right a of them.

1651
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: Carson is also right right there in that same range.

1652
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: So you have Carson ahead of I think I think

1653
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 2: one spot behind him. Okay, oh no, Jacobs, Robinson, Carson, Jacobs, Robinson, Carson,

1654
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh okay, I have and again this is

1655
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: all there's essentially tides. It's not like they're all the same.

1656
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: But I have Carson RB fourteen. That's how much I

1657
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 3: love him, and that's why I get them in every draft.

1658
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, I have no problem taking Carson. I

1659
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 2: just think Jacobs it's like he projects the same, and

1660
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: yet we're so down on him compared.

1661
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: To those other guys.

1662
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 3: Can we at least appreciate this RB two, tire. I

1663
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 3: hate when people call this the dead zone. Last year,

1664
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 3: this was Todd Gurley, David Johnson, Le'Veon Bell, who else

1665
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 3: was here just you know, garbage? And this year I

1666
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: think all these guys have upside, so I'm not calling

1667
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: this the dead zone or the frozen pun.

1668
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that. I think teams are getting smarter too,

1669
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 2: it's just like a lot of those guys aren't They're

1670
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 2: just not on teams this year, like Adrian Peterson and yeah,

1671
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: you know Gurley, Like it's like these teams aren't rostering

1672
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 2: these guys. So, yeah, that's that's what I'm saying, Like,

1673
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: I think we're over estimating Jacob's demise. Yeah, the offensive

1674
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: line shouldn't be as good, but the Raiders' offense is

1675
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: going to be built around giving Jacobs, you know, fifteen

1676
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: plus carries a game, and that's there's still a lot

1677
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: of work for Drake to be had. So I like

1678
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: him too. I get him a lot. I have him

1679
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: at thirty seven. So yeah, it's that's I like them

1680
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: a lot more than the wide receivers. You know, Waller

1681
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 2: obviously is the tight end two, but I think the

1682
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:31,040
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1683
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