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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Late. Today is

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Speaker 2: another extra special extra episode dedicated to learning how to

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Speaker 2: speak turkeys, which is something that almost everyone thinks they

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Speaker 2: can do, but it's actually a little trickier and more

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Speaker 2: nuanced than it seems. I know you've heard about it,

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Speaker 2: So if you're thinking about loading up before the season

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Speaker 2: because we have some deep discounts over there. Now, I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about calling probably my favorite part of

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Speaker 2: turkey hunting, especially when you combine it with good decoys.

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Speaker 2: You know, and I know that most people would probably

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Speaker 2: say calling them is you know, favorite part of turkey hunting,

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Speaker 2: which is no surprise, it's just pretty cool. You know.

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Speaker 2: That goes for l hunting too. The thing about calling

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Speaker 2: turkeys is that you can be pretty bad at it

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Speaker 2: and have it work sometimes, but it won't consistently work

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Speaker 2: well unless you know you always hunt unpressured birds. If

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Speaker 2: you don't, but you still love to try to work

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Speaker 2: in birds in the spring, then understanding what calls to

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Speaker 2: make and when to make them is I don't know,

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Speaker 2: like seventy percent of the battle. It's also what this

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Speaker 2: whole podcast is all about. Back in my high school days,

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Speaker 2: I was not what you would call a model student.

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Speaker 2: I'm really more of a season b's with an occasional

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Speaker 2: DS in there kind of guy, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: get my drift. I don't remember when exactly this was,

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Speaker 2: but I think I was a sophomore maybe a junior

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter, But in high school I ended up taking

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Speaker 2: a Spanish class missus Laver was the teacher, and she

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Speaker 2: did not like me a whole lot. She had good reason,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not going to hold that against her. It

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Speaker 2: had to be frustrating for her since she was trying

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Speaker 2: to teach a foreign language to a bunch of kids

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Speaker 2: who lived in a town of two thousand people, many

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Speaker 2: of whom probably couldn't find Mexico on a map let

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Speaker 2: alone any of the other nations that speak Spanish. If

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Speaker 2: it wasn't bad enough teaching those kids that some inanimate

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Speaker 2: objects have a gender in Espanol, I personally just wasn't

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Speaker 2: great at learning the language. I did. After venting to

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Speaker 2: my older sister about my struggles in missus Laver's class,

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Speaker 2: find out that she had kept all of her old

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Speaker 2: tests from the same classes. So I used those as

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Speaker 2: the exact same test that I had to take. They

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Speaker 2: consisted of several parts, multiple choice true and false, and

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Speaker 2: though what I wrote was nearly a word for word.

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Speaker 2: What my sister had written and she had received a's

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Speaker 2: In the end, I took two Spanish classes with her

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Speaker 2: and we both moved on with our lives, and it

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Speaker 2: wasn't until quite a few years later that I spent

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Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, and the best part is

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Speaker 2: that it's a hell of a lot easier to speak

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Speaker 2: Turkey talk is mostly pretty easy, but it's also something

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Speaker 2: dude blabber away on a podcast. Since that's what we

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Speaker 2: have going on, I'm going to give it my best

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Speaker 2: shot anyway, So I'll say this, the first and most

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Speaker 2: important call is you guessed it the quadruple gobble. Just kidding,

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Speaker 2: it's the yelp. This call, which is like a subtle

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Speaker 2: of turkeys. Hens keep track of each other with yelps,

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Speaker 2: for hunters to yelp three times and shut up for

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Speaker 2: an hour. That's dumb, don't do that. Real turkeys don't

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Speaker 2: In fact, real turkeys actually talk a lot. They just

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Speaker 2: When you need subtlety or extra sounds. When you're using

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Speaker 2: Don't go too fast. Way Too many turkey hunters yelp

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Speaker 2: Say back to her, but a little more aggressively cut

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Speaker 2: call better than working a gobbler in and killing him. Now,

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Speaker 2: Or you can throw some stank on it, which is

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Speaker 2: is the frosting. Now, you could kill Turkey's your whole

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Speaker 2: A cut is like an emotional call. Birds do it

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Speaker 2: It's a somewhat rapid fire call that might start out

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Speaker 2: box calls. Whatever you use, learn to produce loud, crisp,

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Speaker 2: you can still create these cuts, but it's best to

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Speaker 2: get ready. Hens do this, of course, but toms often

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Speaker 2: do this when they get eyes on the decoy. Solo

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Speaker 2: suddenly hear one cutting, get ready. They are on the way,

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Speaker 2: Now this doesn't work every time, but if you're in

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Speaker 2: As long as they only saw something that made them

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Speaker 2: nasty predator was right there, they will act a little boogery,

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Speaker 2: This is the only call I've ever used that works

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Speaker 2: If I get busted and a bird starts putting at me,

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Speaker 2: hard to be able to do it. I think this

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Speaker 2: is as valuable as being good at yelping, and we

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Speaker 2: all know how valuable that is. Now, you also have

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Speaker 2: purring and clucking, which are not as popular, but they're

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Speaker 2: valuable in their own right. A purring or softly clucking

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Speaker 2: as much experience listening to real birds make these two calls.

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Speaker 2: This is a close game kind of call, and it

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Speaker 2: really didn't hit home for me on how much birds

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Speaker 2: make these two calls until I started fall hunting like

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Speaker 2: crazy and then bow hunting spring birds. A lot. Some hens,

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Speaker 2: If you can't get something right, it's either you or

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