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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in Doug olib here, and you are listening

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Speaker 1: to all ball, all basketball all the time, no hoop games,

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Speaker 1: whop games talked about. So Jeff Linder is gonna join us.

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Speaker 1: He's the new head coach of Wyoming, was the head

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Speaker 1: coach Northern Colorado. Check out his journey. I think you're like,

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Speaker 1: it's some good stories along the way. That's just a

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Speaker 1: I'm bummed that everybody's missing the n c A tournament.

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Speaker 1: I'm missing the n c A Tournament, but half of

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Speaker 1: college basketball's seniors had played their last game. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about postseason. I know they're gonna vote

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Speaker 1: you gotta do what's right, but what really is right?

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Speaker 1: It sucks that the kids won't get to play in

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Speaker 1: thing unless it's the right thing in perpetuity. Everybody gets

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Speaker 1: that year back? Are we doing that? Everybody gets five years,

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Speaker 1: pool play into tournament format, and I don't mind if

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Speaker 1: and play everybody twice. That way you get some games

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Speaker 1: up and going, and then you do it. We have

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Speaker 1: Olympics into question now probably eliminates the w NBA season,

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Speaker 1: Big three season probably gone again. This doesn't have anything

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Speaker 1: A lot of things changing. This is a crazy, crazy time. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some more pods hopefully this week into

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Speaker 1: next week. We'll just keep pumping them out. Guys who

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Speaker 1: love basketball content love this stuff. I thought we'd catch

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Speaker 1: up with Jeff Lindner for a myriad of reasons. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't a visual one player. He comes from a different

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Speaker 1: the guys that we've had on. He's done a really

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Speaker 1: good job as a head coach other Colorado. They very

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Speaker 1: And where he gets his offense from. We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: He just got the job, boy only it's a challenging job,

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Speaker 1: but not an impossible one, right. We've seen We've seen

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Speaker 1: edition of the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.

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Speaker 1: Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. All right, let's welcome in. He's the

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Speaker 1: new head coach of the Wyoming Cowboys. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know how far I drive that is from Greeley, Colorado

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Speaker 1: All Ball Podcast. How far is it from Greeley to

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Speaker 1: UH to Laramie, Doug, Depending on the h the weather,

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Speaker 1: then to Utah for Ray Jack Coletti, and so we

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00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 1: always stayed in contact. You always wanted to make sure

427
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 1: that you know, I was you know the guys I thought,

428
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have a chance to become Division one head coaches. Uh,

429
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna do it the right way. And

430
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: now he's relying with mine and his was definitely one

431
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 1: of them. But it was never it was never about

432
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 1: you know, players. But I knew too if if I

433
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Speaker 1: stayed in the poor of State that if Randy Ray

434
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Speaker 1: or Tad Boyle were to get a job that you know,

435
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: they're probably still gonna hire me. But now maybe it's

436
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Speaker 1: in that second or third spot where now I'm at

437
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: Midland and I got a couple of dudes, and I

438
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: know a couple of those dudes are then come with me,

439
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: and that makes it a little bit different. So, um,

440
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: it was never hey, you gotta bring guys. But you know,

441
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 1: it was funny because at the same time, Um, when

442
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: coach Ray got the job of Weaver, Tad was at

443
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: Wichita State. In Wichita State was making that run in

444
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: the n c A Tournament and Tad, you know, I

445
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: think he was he was looking at a couple of

446
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: jobs that were open at the time, U T s

447
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: A being one of them before Brooks Thompson got it

448
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: and then U n C, which Tad's from Greeley. And

449
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: I had to call Tad as he was actually walking

450
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Speaker 1: to shoot around for I think the Sweet six team

451
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: game in the m c I Center and washing d

452
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Speaker 1: C and say, list coach coach Ray just got the job.

453
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Speaker 1: Uh you know we were State, which for people who

454
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 1: know basketball, is a great basketball job. I mean it's

455
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: a place that has a lot of traditions, there's won

456
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: a lot of championships, has been a lot of ant terms.

457
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 1: Is like, I'm not sure what you're gonna do. But

458
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, I can't turn this down. And

459
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: so that's how to make that phone call to Tad.

460
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 1: And then Lowe Behold made my way dog in Utah.

461
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: It's funny Tad so I first met Tad um So.

462
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Speaker 1: I sat out nineties six, nineties seven at Golden West College.

463
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Speaker 1: And I went to Golden West because my my high

464
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Speaker 1: school coach for my freshman year, UM Tom McClusky, was

465
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Speaker 1: the head coach going West. So I got to practice

466
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: for the team and then I would like coach, being

467
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: assistant coach during games and and not play to save

468
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: my year. So I visited Oregon and Darren Kayliss was

469
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 1: one assistant. He had he had been a AU coach

470
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: with team of VS. I've known him forever. Mark Turshan

471
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Speaker 1: was another assistant, and Tad Boyle, who Mark had pulled

472
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Speaker 1: out of like the financial world right to to be

473
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Speaker 1: a to be assistant coach like that was their staff

474
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Speaker 1: under Jerry Green High school coach. Exactly one first game,

475
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Speaker 1: my first game as a high school sophomore on varsity

476
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Speaker 1: was Tad's first game as a high school varsity basketball

477
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: coach at Long One High School. That's crazy that's crazy.

478
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. It's it's it's a he's got a

479
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: fascinating I gotta get him on. He's got a fascinating

480
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Speaker 1: personal story as well. Obviously I haven't played at Ku

481
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: and everything. Um okay, so then how did how did

482
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Speaker 1: how did you decide to leave to go to Boise

483
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: and and we're feleon well so now, but it's got

484
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Speaker 1: a backtrack on my My claim to same is that

485
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, my after our first year, we had a

486
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: great year weaver you know, now a lonvill hole I

487
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: go and Coach Ray was very good friends with the

488
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: and a you coach in Oakland named Raymond Young who

489
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: ran the Oakland Rebels. So for guys that know, I

490
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: mean there's the Oakland Soldiers, which is a big night

491
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Speaker 1: Yeau team, and then you know the Oakland Rebels were

492
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: kind of just you know the hodge Pods group that

493
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: um just kind of we went and played in random

494
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: local terms where Coach Ray to staff, you know, that's

495
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: the really good relationship Rayan, He's like, hey, you can

496
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Speaker 1: come out with one of these, you know, one of

497
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Speaker 1: my guards. And so go out during the spring period

498
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Speaker 1: in April, and uh, I forget where it was I

499
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: think it was actually got Houston at the Kingwood when

500
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: I used to be the Kingwood down there, and so

501
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: there's this, you know, there's so there's this guard. You know,

502
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm in his back gym. There's this. There's guards probably

503
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: about five and eleven a time, about hundred fifty five pounds,

504
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: but had freakish long arms. And you could just tell

505
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: me he could he could pass, handle and shoot and

506
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, I see Damian Lillard and so

507
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: basically come back and it's time. Nobody knew who Damian

508
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: Lillard was. Hed Get actually a transferred high schools from St.

509
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: Joe's to Oakland High after his sophomore year, and was

510
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: wasn't on anybody's radar, but I just saw something in

511
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: him and row and behold. We decided to offer him.

512
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: And so we were the first school to offer Lillard

513
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: after the spring period. And he didn't blow up until

514
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: probably the last game of July in Vegas, going you know,

515
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: summer of his senior year, where he was playing against E. B.

516
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Speaker 1: O who had like Luke Babbitt armand Johnson um a

517
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: bunch of dude. I'm not sure if de Sean Stevens

518
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: was on that team or not. But he basically goes

519
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: like forty eight in front of every coach in the

520
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: Western United States, and I'm like, God, yeah, man, you're

521
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: sitting there just like, uh, this is all all, all

522
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: this work is for not but which carries onto this day.

523
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: He is such a unique person in a unique player.

524
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Speaker 1: And what he is, he's he's as loyal as loyal

525
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: can be. And what he could also do is he

526
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: could sniff out bs like he knew guys, guys who

527
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: told him what he wanted to hear, he just would

528
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: basically cut you off. And I was kind of one

529
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: guy for whatever reason, maybe it was smart or maybe

530
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: not smart, as like, hey, we're not gonna promise you anything.

531
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: He's just gonna promise an opportunity. And he had seen

532
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: what his older brother had gone through when he went

533
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: to junior college for football and didn't play right away,

534
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: and he saw how miserable he was. So he knew

535
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: he wanted to be someplace where he knew he could

536
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: maybe come in and play right away, and he wanted

537
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: to be around the right people. He wanted to get

538
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: out of Oakland and and so we Brave basically he

539
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: visited St. Mary's Um and then he visited us, and

540
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: then we got him. We got him committed. And if

541
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: you would ever told me that he would have turned

542
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Speaker 1: into the player that he turned into. Now, I thought

543
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: he was, you know, when you were crazy, I thought

544
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: he'd be a really really good player, a big skuy

545
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: type player of the year as this sophomore than the

546
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: guy that played overseas. But I mean, now he's turned

547
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Speaker 1: himself into one of the ten best players in the world. Yeah,

548
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: it's funny. A lot of people might Greg. Obviously, my

549
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: brother was a cow and Greg's like he was a

550
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: two guard, you know, he's a five eleven two guard

551
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: and you know, like we just the big schools had

552
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: trouble seeing him, like can you play at that size?

553
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: At the two in in the Pack twelve? And it's interesting.

554
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these guys they do outthink themselves,

555
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: you know, Kawhi Leonard. Why didn't anybody in the Pack

556
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: twelve off from a scholarship like, Wow, he's a big

557
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: guy who's five four and kind of like, who cares?

558
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: The guy could really really play? Um. Whereas when you're

559
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: when you're at we were, you just go and if

560
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: you can play, you know, you don't necessarily maybe you

561
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: don't carry the same um. Well you have you have

562
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: to check a couple of boxes in order to play

563
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: for us. Is that is that fair? No? No, that's

564
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: that's definitely fair. But I think he was a guy

565
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: that we knew um and that's and that's kind of

566
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: how I got to where I got to because it

567
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: just I think that's what helps you too as a coach,

568
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: when you've had to coach at different levels to where

569
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: you could kind of understand and you have to kind

570
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: of see some things that other guys don't. So for me,

571
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: haven't been a Division two, haven't been ejinior college and

572
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: and then having to go you know, go to Weaber

573
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: State and you see different levels and you see, okay,

574
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: who can you know? Who you recruit? Who can't you

575
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: recruit because so many guys, so many assistant coaches, they

576
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: just waste time recruiting guys that they can't get and

577
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: so then they missed on the guys that they should

578
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: be recruiting. And then you got to bail to see

579
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, the forest through the trees and maybe see

580
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: that like Damien, he didn't turn eighteen until July after

581
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: he graduated from high school. Same thing when I recruited

582
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: Chandler Hutches in the Boise State. He was a guy

583
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: that when he was playing at the junior in high school,

584
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: he was six ft three. He was playing JV the

585
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: first semester of his high junior year of high school

586
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: and then lo and behold. By the time he's a

587
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: senior in high school, he goes from a JV player

588
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: in a year's time, he goes to six seven, six eighties,

589
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: the top one D player in the country. And you know,

590
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: you just gotta you know some of those things that

591
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: some of other guys can't see or some of the

592
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: bigger schools, you know, when you're in the pack twelve

593
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: not you can't. You can't roll the dice on that

594
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: unless you're really confident in your ability to see things.

595
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of assistant coaches that just don't

596
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: have that. Okay, so you're you're at Now you're at well,

597
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: I actually I go to So funny story is so

598
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Rex Walters, you know formergo's yeah, yes, so he you know,

599
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: so me and him get really close because he ends

600
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: up after he's done playing in the NBA and then

601
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: he kind of made a stop overseas and then made

602
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: his way to uh UM playing in like the USBL.

603
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: I think because he played for Kevin Pritchard in Kansas

604
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: City and a b A and so he was living

605
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: in South Kansas City, he was living in Olasa, and

606
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: so he decides, you know, after he's done playing, I

607
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: want to get into coaching. And so he basically becomes

608
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: our grad system at Emporious State and so me and

609
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: him for four or five four or five months, I

610
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: mean just spend every day with each other, get really

611
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: really close. Um he never got to never got to

612
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: the Seisling because then um coach Drew. I think that's

613
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: when Scott got the Baylor job, and so Bryce so

614
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Homer had a spot opening his staff and so uh

615
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: Rex left kind of like in September to go to Valpo.

616
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: And so while was at Weaver, so he goes from

617
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: So Rex goes from Valpo of Florida Atlantic, where ends

618
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: up working through Matt Doherty. Matt Dohorty gets you know

619
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: the job there, turns it around two years, gets you

620
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: some huge job. Now Rex becomes the coach of flori Atlantic.

621
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: So Rex and I being as close I was, hey,

622
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: I want you to come to be my associate coach,

623
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, be my right hand guy. Let's go. I'm like, well,

624
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I just you know, we just signed Lillard and but

625
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Rex is my guys, let's go. So wife and I

626
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: were down in Boca rat Owned about to buy a house.

627
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: The market was crazy at that time. It's Wednesday. Um,

628
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: next day, we're gonna put an offer on the house.

629
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: A long Behold. The Search from running the Search for

630
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: San Francisco calls and says, hey, listen, wants to fly in. Rex,

631
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: being from santurs Day originally is like, come interests. I'm like, Rex,

632
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: I just played San Francisco twice that year. It's an

633
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: absolute train wreck. It's the worst job in the country. Um.

634
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: And that's when your former coach was came in there

635
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: for a few games and just I mean it was

636
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: just a tough, tough job. And so but Rex goes

637
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: in decides to take the job Lo and Behold. I'm like,

638
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: oh man, I mean I just went went from Boca

639
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: rat Own to San Francisco. And now coach Ray walks in.

640
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you don't have to go because Lo

641
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: and Behole. Lillard had just called at seven o'clock in

642
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: the morning. We had never called. Coach Rays like, is

643
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: it true that coach Linder's going to San Francisco and

644
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: being a Bayerry guy. I've been across the bridge at Oakland.

645
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Coach Rays like, and you make my life a lot

646
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: of easier of you stay. And I'm like, don't worry.

647
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: You're talking about the one guy in the world that

648
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: won't leave in Lillards. So uh so make my way

649
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: to USF and started that. That process helped Rex turn

650
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: that around. And then lo and behold, Uh, you realize

651
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: quickly those WCC jobs are really really hard. Uh, when

652
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: you're playing for third or fourth place every year and

653
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: you're playing to play in the c I to the

654
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: c d I because Gonzaga is Gonzaga. All those presidents

655
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: A d s they want to compete with Gonzaga. They

656
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: don't realize they're twenty years behind Gonzaga. And I just

657
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: knew after we finished in third place my second year there,

658
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is just it just is tough.

659
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: And so Leon gets the job at Boisey State, UM,

660
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: and I decide, hey, I'm probably taking a step back

661
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: because I was the associated coach of San Francisco Dave Woji,

662
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: who ends up being the head coach of San Jose State.

663
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Leon brings him in as the associate coach. So now

664
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I take a step back in terms of pay entitled,

665
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: but I just knew in the end it could be

666
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: a much better job, especially with boys moving into the

667
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Mountain West. And then that's when we start the Boise

668
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: State journey. Um, what so Leon gives you the offensive

669
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: coordinator role? What was that like? He said, So, yeah,

670
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: the way Leon is is very unique in terms how

671
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: he handles. And Leon is a basically an NFL head coach,

672
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: the CEO. Mean, he he knows what he's good at,

673
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: he knows what he's not good at, and he has

674
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: no issues delegating everything and giving you total Tommy like,

675
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: And we're sitting there is I'm I'm the offensive coordinator.

676
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: We're sitting there playing Dayton in the in the m

677
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: State Tournament against day at Dayton and you know we

678
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: got time out. I was there, by the way, Yeah

679
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: you were there. And it's say, I'm the one sitting

680
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: there drawn up to play and he just sits there

681
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: and he doesn't say he doesn't bad and eye and

682
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: so we knew when we got the job, UM and

683
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: we had a transition year where we're gonna have one

684
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: year in the whack, and then we were making the

685
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: move to the Mountain West, you know, and I know

686
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: how good the Mountain West was back and then UM

687
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: and we knew that we couldn't get better athletes than

688
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: San Diego State un l V, New Mexico. And so

689
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: our thing was, we can't beat him the air. We're

690
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to beat these dudes on the ground. And

691
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: so that's where we recruited guys one through five that

692
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: could pass down the street because knew if boys do,

693
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: we could recruit good guards. It's a lot easier recruit

694
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: good guards than it is to find the six ten

695
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: and six eleven guys. That's the pro that's protecting the

696
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: rim and you know, the Alex Kirks of the world

697
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: and the guys that those guys had at that time

698
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: un l V. And so that's why we recruited Nick Duncan.

699
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: That's why we recruited James Webbing. So now are fours

700
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: and five are bringing your guys away from the basket.

701
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Now we've got a guy in Derek Marks, who's the

702
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: best guard in the league. Now he's you know, beat there.

703
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: We could create switches, create mismatches. Now we created space.

704
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: And so that's from an offensive standpoint, how it kind

705
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: of things the ball I thought we were. We knew

706
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: that we couldn't we couldn't beat him with Vaska less

707
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: and we had it being with skills. So that from

708
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I really a two thousand and ten eleven really started

709
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: diving into Europe, really watching a lot of European basketball,

710
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: not just watching the EuroLeague, but you know, talking to

711
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: European guys, some of the guys in the NBA that

712
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: we're from Europe, and say, hey, give me some of

713
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the teams that you know, because Barcelona, Real, Madrid, you know, Fenderbos,

714
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, those those guys have the best, the best.

715
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Now let me find the guys that are gonna kind

716
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: of be like us who don't have the best players.

717
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: But from a syschematic standpoint, are you know, ahead of

718
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: the game. And so everything we started doing was coming

719
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: from Europe and then lo and behold, now you know

720
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: the Spurs win the championship in fourteen fifteen, and then

721
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: it just catches fire. Well, we were always three or

722
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: four years ahead of trying to teach that system. And

723
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how evold offensively, that's what made

724
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: us really hard to guard and um, something that carried

725
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: you with me to U n See and now to Wyoming. Okay,

726
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: let's let's get to the UNC job. Obviously Tad had

727
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: taken it from a you know, no one ever talked

728
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: about Northern Colorado. Uh, you guys were able to be

729
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: one of the premier programs in the Big Sky Conference.

730
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: How did you how did you come about you you're

731
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: at Boise. How did you get the job? Well, I

732
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: mean it's May, which you know, I mean that's usually

733
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: a month month behind everything else. In the previous coach

734
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: that was Tad's former assistant. Um, you know, got in

735
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: some trouble with the n C A A and a

736
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. And so now I'm looking at a situation,

737
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: well you know, here, stay here, boys, or at some

738
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: point I'm gonna have to roll the dice. And I

739
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: knew the job, I knew the league. Haven't grown up

740
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: in the area, haven't been at Weaber States, like you know,

741
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: it's a place where you can win at because you know,

742
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: and I know there's three hundred fifty three Division one

743
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: jobs or how many there are now, and there's a

744
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: lot of them where John Wooden couldn't win at, and

745
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: they're just bad jobs. And I thought that, uh um,

746
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: it was a job that you could win at. And

747
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: even though I knew that I was gonna walk into

748
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: a situation we were probably gonna be getting the postseason ban,

749
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: even maybe two postseason banned ross of scholarships. And so

750
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, for the four years I was there, this

751
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: last season, the first time we had thirteen full of scholarships.

752
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: We were at nine scholarships year one, we were at

753
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: ten year two, and then we were eleven in a

754
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: year three. But what I did was I was fortunate

755
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: enough to hire a really good staff, and then we

756
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: just never really made any excuses about our situation. We

757
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: had a postseason banned the first year, US fortunate and

758
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: hired a really good guard. The previous staff were recruited

759
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: in Jordan Davis, who end up becoming the Big Skuy

760
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: player of the year. I read shirted two seniors that

761
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: first year, knowing that they were going to play in

762
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: the postseason. Added Andrea Spite, who ended upsetting the Big

763
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: Sky single season all time scoring record with nine hundreds

764
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: fifty some points in the seasons who came from Arizona State,

765
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: and so just built it that way. Um made a

766
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: lot of threes, and then defensively we decided, you know what,

767
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let teams make threes. And we've been

768
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: number one in the country the last three years and

769
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: not letting teams attempt threes. I think sometimes people get

770
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: fooled when they want to look at three points still

771
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: goal percentages, whether you're not you're a good defensive team

772
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: or not. Well, I mean, if you're making two three

773
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: a game and on four attempts and you're shooting fifty percent,

774
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't care if you shoot fix percent, because now

775
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: you just made two threes, you just scored six points.

776
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: We make ten or eleven threes, we're gonna put a

777
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on you to beat us of twos.

778
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of how the system evolved offensively

779
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: to defensively to where you know a lot of the

780
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: same things will do here, Why don't Okay, So so

781
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: let's let's let's get to those threes. Okay. So I mean,

782
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: is that just but so many other teams are just

783
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: loading up on the basketball, right, They're just that's really

784
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: the style making you making you throw skip passes, uh, putting.

785
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: You know, some guys call it three on the ball

786
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. How does your defense work work that you

787
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: take away so many threes? You know, it's uh, you

788
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: know for us and and and no, and it would

789
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit different, probably a few adjustments, you know,

790
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: kind of coming up a level. But we also put

791
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot of Mountain West teams and bigger schools and

792
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: the U n c UM but especially the Big Sky

793
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: that we just feel like there was guys that could

794
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: beat you at the rim with two um. You know,

795
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: you've seen them, You've seen as much basketball as anyone,

796
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of guys that are even

797
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: at the power five levels that are great finishers at

798
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: the rim. And so for US, UM it was okay,

799
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: in our league, we knew there would be a lot

800
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: more guys that could shoot uh. And so then okay,

801
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: let's take that away. And then as we kept going

802
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: into it, Okay, now we're gonna be really good at

803
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: not fouling. So not just the fact that okay we're

804
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: not letting you shoot threes, we'll also not let you

805
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: get in one. So I mean we work diligently at

806
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: not foiling and walling up and and understanding where our

807
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: rotation is gonna come from in terms of at the

808
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: rim when we wall and crack on guys and then

809
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna limit shoot the one shot. I mean that

810
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: habits that you know that we built from a defensive

811
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: reboant bounty standpoint, where we've been top twenty five in

812
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: the country the last four years. Uh, in defensive remounting percentage.

813
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: We're going gonna give you one shot, and so we

814
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on you over the course

815
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: of the game, uh to try to make you know,

816
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: try to make layups at the rim. Four. What you

817
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: do is you forced a lot of dumb teams into

818
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: shooting non paint two's pull up twos, which just allows

819
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: us to get out and run and go okay. So

820
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: so now, um the wyoming job. I mean, I mean

821
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: everybody in the kind of the area knew that Allen

822
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: was in trouble. I mean I I saw him in

823
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: the year. I knew the contract situation. I was like

824
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: this this, and it's a it's a tough league because

825
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: even though the top of the league is not what

826
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: it was back when you were at Boisse, right when

827
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: New Mexico was rolling, Vegas was pumping out one and

828
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Dunes and San Diego State was a top ten team.

829
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: Sandy States back bears to be back for a while.

830
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: I think New Mexico is getting close. Um. I think

831
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: UNLV is much more stable now than it's been and

832
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: maybe the last five years. And we'll see what t

833
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: J does. In year two. You toss State, you know,

834
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens with that run, you know,

835
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: losing your best player and probably losing thema Cada. But

836
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: they've gone from a team that that couldn't compete, you know,

837
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: stepping up from the Big West, to one that won

838
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: the Mountain West the year before and then won the

839
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: conference tournament. Obviously this year the league in the middle

840
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: is really good. I mean now Colorado State I think

841
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: is really well coached. Boise is really well coached. And

842
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: you're starting to get Once you get continuity with those coaches,

843
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: you start to the teams on the front range are good. Man,

844
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: so um taking over the wyoming job, Like, what take

845
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: me through the where are you in the process. I

846
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: know you've hired two of your sister in so far. Well,

847
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: my third one was hired today, Sundance Sundance Wicks, who

848
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: was the head coach at Missouri Western State College, done

849
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: a true fantastic job there. I mean, after I guess

850
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: probably coach Musselman, he might be the second most famous

851
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: college coach on Twitter. But a guy that's you know,

852
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: really good was from Wyoming. Um, a guy that's gonna

853
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: bring you know, a lot of juice, a lot of

854
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: energy to the program. But for me, it was, you know,

855
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: we had played him three times and we had beaten

856
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: the last three years here in Wyoming. Uh. It's a

857
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: job where I felt like I didn't have to change

858
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: anything that I did at you and see, uh, in

859
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: terms of recruiting, in terms of anything, just because I

860
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: knew now that we're gonna be recruiting to a better

861
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: conference with better facilities, better resources, which ultimately is gonna

862
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: equal better players. I mean, our final ranking this year

863
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: in Ken Palm was seventy fifth in the country, or

864
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: our net was you know, like ninety nine. Uh, And

865
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: so we were doing the right things. I just think

866
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: that there's just some of those other things that you

867
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: know from visit it up here. Uh. Mom was a

868
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: tough job. It's a tough job because you're you're geographically

869
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot of players around you. But

870
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: if you can get them to campus, our facilities, not

871
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: just the the arena, the weight room at in the arena,

872
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: locker room, but just the student athlete, the cafeteria, the

873
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: training table, all the other things in the facilities are

874
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: a top three job in the Mountain West. Uh. And

875
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: I really, I really believe that. So if you can

876
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: get guys here, which is which is the hard part,

877
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, get them here to see it, then you

878
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: can get them. And then you're gonna get get guys

879
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: for the right reason. And if you've got guys who

880
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: who really want to get better, uh, they're gonna be

881
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: able to get better. And that's I think that's the

882
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: thing that excited me. And then you add it's one

883
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: of the few jobs in the country where people still

884
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: really care about the university. They care because nowadays the TV,

885
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: watching games on the phone, watching games on on the internet. Uh,

886
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: that just there's not as many people come to the games.

887
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: But you know, I remember when we were playing against

888
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Larry Nance, Josh Adams and Larry Shytt and those guys.

889
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: Back when we're at Boisey, I mean, this place was

890
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: rocking and rolling. So now you get the passion and

891
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: pride that existing. Why don't because you are the one state,

892
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, the only team in the state. Now you

893
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: get the people behind you, and I think that's just

894
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: such a unique situation that allows you to create a

895
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: job that could be even that much better than what

896
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: it is. Are you gonna do some of that stuff

897
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: that Leon does, like walking across the river, you're gonna

898
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get anna out. Yeah, I'm not sure

899
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna give them. I'm not sure if I'm

900
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna get on back as a horse, you know, and

901
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: and and do the bucking Bronco or or across the

902
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: Boise River like Leon did. But uh, I'm sure there'll

903
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: be a few things out there. But I just think

904
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: it's it's for me. It's the right job, it's the

905
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: right sit um. You have to build it like you

906
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: did at Boisey, which is, you know, you have to

907
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: go out and find some different guys that other guys

908
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: maybe bus lines. You have to go fishing different ponds.

909
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: You can't you can't fish. There's no pond in your backyards.

910
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: You've gotta go in some different ponds. But my assistants

911
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: will know what exactly what they're looking for. They know

912
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: not to bring anybody to the table that can't shoot. Um,

913
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: and then we'll just kind of developed it and build

914
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: it from here, because I do think we we we

915
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: inherited a core group of guys as we saw and

916
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: made a run the Mountain West tournament. Um, that can

917
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: compete and help you win games. Just now we've got

918
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: to add a few more guys after those guys. Yeah,

919
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting point. And you can't shoot, it's the it's

920
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: become the number one skill. And I would say, I

921
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: would say shooting and then and then passing even more

922
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: than dribbling. Right, Um, Like you know that the passing

923
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: skill is is a hard one. If you don't have it,

924
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: it's really really hard to kind of develop it at

925
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: this stage. And then defensively, it really is more about

926
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: toughness and buying than is necessarily about pure athletic ability, right.

927
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you can shoot, and you're and

928
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: you're tough, and you've got good habits and you can pass,

929
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: like we can we can find it. We can find

930
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: a way to hide your weaknesses. Yeah, there's no question,

931
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: and that's what we that's what we did at you

932
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: and see. And there's a lot of times when we'd

933
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: walk on that floor and the other team would look down,

934
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: are like, these guys, really, this is the team that's

935
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: won twenty games. Uh, you know, you go to West

936
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: Virginia where we did this year, the guys colver and

937
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: those guys are probably looking down. Coaches tell us, we've

938
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: gotta be worried about these guys. Well, then low and behold.

939
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Now you're in a dogfight because guess what. All these

940
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: guys they can pass, handling, shoot, And these guys from

941
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint, they know the game plan and over

942
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: the course of you know, seventy to seventy five defensive

943
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: possessions in the game, they're not going to break down

944
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: and make mistakes. And when you when when you have

945
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: those type of guys that that really do have a

946
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: steel for the game and understanding the game. Um, I

947
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: just think there's there's a lot of stupid in college basketball,

948
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: and you can't exploit stupid. And and that's what we're

949
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: gonna try to do, is is men my stupid and

950
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: and make sure that Uh, you know, we just don't

951
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: beat ourselves because a lot of teams, if you let them,

952
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: they'll beat themselves. I I agree. All right here, here's

953
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: a lot to do, real quick to to to sum up, Um,

954
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: give me one thing that either funny story or interesting

955
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: thing about the coaches that you've coached under Ricardo Patton.

956
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Give me give me something, because here's what I know

957
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: about Ricardo Patton. Everybody liked the guy. I was told

958
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: he was a black belt and like a scratch golfer, right,

959
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: so great, so great story coach pats so being a

960
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: great golf just true black belt golfer. So especially when

961
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: I was younger and the four or four kids, I

962
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: mean each kid probably added two strokes to my handicap.

963
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: But I was close to scratch golfer coming out of college.

964
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: And so in the summertime, we went out the Border

965
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: Country Club, coach Mo Ricardo, myself, Lonnie Lonnie Porter, longtime

966
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: coach at Regious University. I was best friends at the cards.

967
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: We went out and played and uh, you know I

968
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: kicked Ricardo's ask that day and uh he comes in,

969
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: you know the next day he's like, we're plying. I'm like,

970
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm I'm the peon, I mean on

971
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: the staff. He's like, get your clubs. We're going back

972
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: out playing, and I'm like, oh boys, this is not good. So,

973
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so competitive and he was so

974
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: mad that I beat him that day that you know,

975
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: he just couldn't sleep. And so now Lomba and I

976
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: gotta go back there and coach Moe, we're we're on

977
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: the eighteenth hole and we're in this match, and he's like,

978
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: I got this put I got a birdie put to

979
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: to basically win the match. And he's like, you know,

980
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you to miss that putt, but

981
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: you might want to miss that putt. And lo and behold,

982
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: I missed it even though I was trying to make it.

983
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: But that was That was the one golf story with

984
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: with Ricardo Patton, who was a hell of a golfer

985
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: and gave you the best advice of any coach that

986
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: I had worked for when he had said at the

987
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, I don't need tricky plays, I

988
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: just need tricky players. Yeah, yeah, I liked it. I

989
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: liked it. I've I've heard, I've heard I've heard a

990
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: different like there are No, I've heard that there are

991
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: no trick plays. I've heard that that that expression for

992
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: um uh, let's see here, give me something about Lee

993
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: David Mo. David Mo is a unique of of a

994
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: coach that there's out there and my guy coach Mo.

995
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: This was during the during the internet, you know, Texas

996
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: hold him gambling era, um, when it was at the

997
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: very beginning, and he would basically at his office, he'd

998
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: have a blank, blank you know what, you know, the

999
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: dry race board and the only thing would be on

1000
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: it would be a number of either red or black

1001
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: up on the right hand side of the corner, and

1002
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: everybody would walk in the honesty like, there's nothing on

1003
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: the board, what's what's that number? Well, that was where

1004
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: he was at in terms of his his winnings or

1005
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: what he's been losing playing Texas hold of online. It's amazing,

1006
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That's really he did. Literally he knows it

1007
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: was it was. It was sharks and minnows. Okay, what

1008
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: about what about wreck? Uh? No, grant grant uh. In

1009
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: terms of just best friend, I mean, the best human

1010
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: being you'll ever come in contact with. UM, just understands

1011
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: people at the highest level. Um, you know, my friendship

1012
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: with him is one that will last a lifetime and

1013
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: just very fortunate to uh strip cross paths with him. Okay,

1014
00:46:54,080 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: give me, uh let's go to Rex. Rex so for time.

1015
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: So Rex gets done playing and I'm still fairly young.

1016
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: We're an emporious state. So it's lunchtime. It was like, hey,

1017
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: let's go down, you know, let's go down place and

1018
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: one on one. You know, this is a guy that's

1019
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: a eight year NBA bed, a hell of a player,

1020
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: and h you were playing one on one, two or

1021
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: three dribble limit. The first time we check up, you know,

1022
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: he kind of brings the ball up up over his

1023
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: head and I just pop him in the nose. And

1024
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: then right then and there he's like, Okay, this guy's

1025
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: not this guy's not scared me. He doesn't care that

1026
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm Rex Walters and stuff. From that point on, we

1027
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: just you know, that's that's what probably you know, allowed

1028
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: her friendship and in relation to grow so much, because

1029
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: everybody's you know, but if everyone's scared of Rex, and

1030
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: lo and behold, I was the one guy that wasn't

1031
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: scared of him, which is probably way I liked you

1032
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: so much. Uh uh, you just what you see is

1033
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: what you get, and just the that just consists and

1034
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: see every day, and just the toughness and the chip

1035
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: on your shoulder mentality, but also to just how he

1036
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: just how he relates to players and just gets the

1037
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: best out of him. But he's a guy that UM

1038
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: gave me my first opportunity Division one lines and UM

1039
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: allowed me to you know, basically get to get a

1040
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: foot in the door. And can't thank him enough. All Right,

1041
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: now you're up in the front range. What is the

1042
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: most like country thing? Because like, as much as you're

1043
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: from Colorado, you're still, you know, a basketball guy. You're

1044
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: still a suburb guy. You're not a country dude, right,

1045
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: But Greeley's Greeley is kind of like right there boardline

1046
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: between you're out in the sticks and being a bit

1047
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: of a suburb. Now you're in Wyoming, Laramie. You know,

1048
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: it's it's pickup trucks, it's boots, uh in engines. Give

1049
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: me the most country thing that you've done as a

1050
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: head coach you never thought you would ever do before.

1051
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: That's a good question I happen to actually have to do.

1052
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: Two men. Greeley is actually a vault where it's not

1053
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: too country. Um can't. And that's that's a good question.

1054
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: I did not not anything to country yet. I just

1055
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: I love the outdoors. My my fishing partner is uh,

1056
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, former Gonzaga assistant Slash USD head coach now

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Speaker 1: Colorado assistant Billy Greer, and so um, I enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: summertime being Billy going up into the to the mountain

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Speaker 1: fly fishing. And I'm sure that Billy will be making

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Speaker 1: a lot more trips up to to Lawyer Me because

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of great a lot of great fishing

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Speaker 1: holes up in those neck of the woods, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll see Billy a lot more up and

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Speaker 1: Lawyer Me. Um. Then I even do see him down

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Speaker 1: in Boulder. What's what's a reasonable expectation for you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: You have no idea and your roster obviously there's this

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00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: is such a weird time. We'll wrap on this. What's

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Speaker 1: a reasonable for you personally? What's reasonable to expect? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it wins and losses? Is it competitiveness? What's reasonable

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Speaker 1: for your first year? H No, that is you know,

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Speaker 1: the beauty of getting the job. There's there's no beauty

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Speaker 1: of getting the job during the coronavirus. But the one

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Speaker 1: thing that not having to do a real press conference

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Speaker 1: and and how that kind of takes up your time.

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Speaker 1: I just went up there last Tuesday, signed the contract

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Speaker 1: and did a little social media release and then what

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Speaker 1: I did was I just got in the car and

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Speaker 1: drove to see Hunter Thompson who lives in Cheyenne. Hunter

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Speaker 1: Maldonado is down in Colorado Springs, Kuan Marble and Kenny

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Speaker 1: Foster and went and really solved before guys and got

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Speaker 1: in front of them, uh, and knowing that what their

1082
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Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses are. Since I've played in the last

1083
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Speaker 1: three years, I knew exactly who they were at and

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Speaker 1: hadn't and they had recruited some of those guys at

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Speaker 1: Northern Colorado and just basically just sell them the vision

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Speaker 1: on hey, listen and well then and Coach Edwards. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Alan Edwards is as good of a human beings you'll

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Speaker 1: find a college basketball and there's not one personal say

1089
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: that thing about Alan Edwards. Um. I just try to

1090
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Speaker 1: go in there and just say, listen, we're gonna maintain

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Speaker 1: the family like atmosphere that Allan created, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do some things different from an offense and defensive standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I think can really you know, help you guys. And

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, we're not We're not gonna lose. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I do think with those four guys, and I

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Speaker 1: think with this virus being that there's a lot of

1097
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Speaker 1: uncertainly here late, I think you can go out and

1098
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Speaker 1: if you're you're in the right place at the right time,

1099
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Speaker 1: you can steal some guys right now. From a recruiting standpoint,

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Speaker 1: and so we can add three or four guys to

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Speaker 1: that core group of guys. I'm expecting us to to

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Speaker 1: to win and compete in the Mountain West next year.

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Speaker 1: Awesome stuff. Congrats on the move. I know there's a

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Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff to get and uh, well that

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll have to do one of these shows while

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Speaker 1: fly fishing. I got learn how fly fish. In the meantime, Uh, enjoy,

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Speaker 1: enjoy whatever you're doing in terms of the move, because

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Speaker 1: it's the most you'll probably ever be involved with with

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Speaker 1: with the move. Well, you know, it was funny before

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Speaker 1: you called him. Between phone calls my four kids and

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Speaker 1: my four year old, she wanted me to, you know,

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Speaker 1: play Prince Eric while she was on an Elsa in

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Speaker 1: the lane of avalor so I just know this. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll figure out a cure or vaccine here pretty soon,

1115
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Speaker 1: because the whole you know what's gonna happen is there's

1116
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Speaker 1: gonna be a bomb that figures out of back seat

1117
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Speaker 1: here in the next probably to seventy two hours, so

1118
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Speaker 1: that every momb right now in the country is absolutely

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Speaker 1: losing their minds and rightly so, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And teachers there's tither. Teachers are not even have to

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Speaker 1: ask for a raise when they come come back in

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Speaker 1: all right, enjoy for the Frozen two exploits and playing

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Speaker 1: Eric I want video that. Congrats on the job and

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. Thanks Doug, I appreciate it. What

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Speaker 1: a great time. Com very interesting on how he's bounced around,

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Speaker 1: how he's got these jobs. Now he has a plan

1127
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: for how to turn around winowing basketball. Alright, any of

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Speaker 1: that as well. We talked hoops, we talk all sports

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Speaker 1: as well. Twelve to three Pacific time, three to six Eastern. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: enjoy being uh trapped in your home but listening to

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