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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: We promised we'd have more. Ashley and I are back

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Speaker 1: with another episode of Almost Famous in Depth Ashley before

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Speaker 1: we tell, which I guess you could probably read it

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Speaker 1: by now in the bio Our listeners, who's on today?

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling and what are you most excited

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Speaker 1: for for this interview? I feel like Kaylan for the

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Speaker 1: past year has just been like so happy with Dean,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm excited to get to know

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Speaker 1: more about like the behind the scenes of their relationship

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Speaker 1: and also so many things that I feel like we

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Speaker 1: haven't we didn't get to discuss with her back during

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Speaker 1: like Colton season in Paradise. That's right. Well, before we

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Speaker 1: bring on our guest, which, as Ashley said, is Kaylan

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Speaker 1: Miller Keys. Little background on Kayln Miller Keys. She was

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Speaker 1: born June fifteenth, nineteen ninety five, in Fredericksburg, Virginia. A

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Speaker 1: childhood illness all left her paralyzed at a young age.

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Speaker 1: She had a virus that led to inflammation of the brain.

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Speaker 1: She suffered a complete loss of muscle control, and doctors

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Speaker 1: only gave her a ten percent chance of walking again. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know that please start there one hundred percent. I

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Speaker 1: was going to say, we know where that story continues to,

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Speaker 1: and it continues to us today on the Almost s

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Speaker 1: Ofice podcast. Hey Caylen, Hi, thanks for having me. Guy.

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Speaker 1: Hey Caylen, So tell us about this horrible thing you

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Speaker 1: experienced as a kid. Yeah. So, when I was two,

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Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with encephalitis, and my mom took me

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Speaker 1: to so many different doctors and so many different hospitals,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, something is wrong with my daughter. And

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Speaker 1: it just like reminds me of that Grace Anatomy episode

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Speaker 1: where the mom is like, no, like, something is wrong

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Speaker 1: with my son. And she finds out that he has

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Speaker 1: that random disease and so all the doctors were like,

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Speaker 1: it's a cold, she'll be fine, and she was like, no,

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Speaker 1: I promise, like something's wrong with her. And so after

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Speaker 1: a couple maybe like a week or two of that,

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Speaker 1: she met a doctor and was like, we have to

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Speaker 1: the brink of death. She has encephalitis, her brain is swelling,

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Speaker 1: it was so far gone at that point because doctors

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Speaker 1: had misdiagnosed me that They were like, you only have

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Speaker 1: a ten percent chance of walking if you live, and

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Speaker 1: your chances of living are very slim. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I got through it or survived.

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Speaker 1: But my mom like never fighting, is just she's just

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Speaker 1: an incredible woman. How how rare is encephalitis? How rare?

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Speaker 1: I think it was more rare in the nineties or

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Speaker 1: it was like harder to diagnose I think in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: but people still have it. It's just it's really bad

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Speaker 1: for young kids to have it. So how do you

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Speaker 1: get it, catch it or how to develop it? You know,

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Speaker 1: I shoul probably do more research. I think it's a vibe.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a virus that yeah, wow, yeah, just

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Speaker 1: for my own personal knowledge, did you were you a helicopter?

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Speaker 1: Were you helicopter to a nova Fairfax? No, I should

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Speaker 1: have been, but we were to VCU hospital. Oh really

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Speaker 1: interesting because my dad works at Fairfax. Oh really, they're

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Speaker 1: much nicer, but we only have Mary wash and fredericksperience

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Speaker 1: and that's just not the best hospital. So all right,

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Speaker 1: So then how'd you get through that? Like, did you

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Speaker 1: have to rehab? Were you in the hospital for days weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I was in the hospital for at least two weeks,

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Speaker 1: and my mom said I was the smiliest, smiliest, happiest kid.

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Speaker 1: And she was like, for two weeks straight, you didn't

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Speaker 1: they tried everything. They put on my favorite shows. And

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Speaker 1: getting better pretty soon after that. How often does your

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Speaker 1: who else was in your life at this time? Was

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Speaker 1: dogs are just amazing. I want to make Pappy a

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Speaker 1: I love Dean very much. By the way, just to

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Speaker 1: what point in your childhood did the did you start

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Speaker 1: to find a desire for performance? Honestly never, I was

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Speaker 1: guy doesn't go to my school, he's graduated college. My

427
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: response is just like, everything's fine, which you know, was

428
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: not the healthy way to do it at all. But

429
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: so my relationship with him, it was fine for the

430
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: most part, and then sometimes it would hit me what

431
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: happened and the severity of what happened, and I would

432
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: just break down and start crying. And I never I

433
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,479
Speaker 1: never processed it. So my relationship with him was just

434
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: like kind of weird because I would, I don't know,

435
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: just break down every so often about it and this

436
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: is the new relationship. The relationship right after this is, yeah,

437
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: this was the new one. And I just felt like

438
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: a sense of trust with him that I just needed,

439
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: and so I never felt anything weird with him. But

440
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: I do remember if a man would kind of like

441
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: touch my shoulder, or even my stepdad who's like been

442
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: my dad since I was five, but like touch, I

443
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: would still jump. But with that new relationship I was in,

444
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: I just like created this bond and trust and like

445
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: this necessity that I needed that I didn't feel that

446
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: with him. What's your perspective on all to day. Well,

447
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: now I've like sought out therapy and I've like gone,

448
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still It's not something that you can

449
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: like work through quickly. I'm still working through it. But

450
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy I came out of it the way that

451
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: I did. I'm happy that I'm stronger. I'm happy that

452
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: I can now appreciate the incredible men in my life

453
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: and the incredible relationship that I'm in now. And just

454
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 1: I think have trust with Dean and I don't know

455
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: the I'm sure looking back. Just like most things in life,

456
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's lessons learned, and obviously in your case

457
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: there is a lot of things that you've had to

458
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: process and work through. As you mentioned, still working through.

459
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: What would if we just kind of give you the

460
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: platform which you love doing almost on the end depth

461
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: episodes to say there's somebody out there listening to this

462
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: who could have been a victim of something similar to

463
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: what you have been a victim of what would be

464
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: your message for them now? Looking back on you know,

465
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: what was this eight years ago? I think six maybe

466
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: six years ago? Yeah, six years What would be your

467
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: lessons of things learned if someone's gone through it or

468
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: going through it. I keep getting so many messages, especially

469
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: now when everyone's just sitting with their thoughts and they're like,

470
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: all right, it's time that I finally cope with this.

471
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I would say the biggest thing again, it's weird to

472
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: say that we're lucky, but we are lucky to be

473
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: in this time where we have so many women standing

474
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: in solidarity and men standing up and saying me too,

475
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: me to, me too. We are lucky in that sense

476
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: where we don't have to feel shameful. We don't have

477
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: to feel or I guess, feel less shameful. I would

478
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: also say to seek help and not do what I did,

479
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: Not just cover it up and mask it, because it

480
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: will come out and it'll be ugly, and it's better

481
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: to just deal with it head on and life gets better,

482
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: Life gets much better, and the strength that you'll have

483
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: when you come out of this is just will be

484
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: amazing and you and looking back, I didn't know I

485
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: could be this strong. I didn't know I could be

486
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: this vocal and be an advocate for something that is.

487
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's so horrific that it still happens and

488
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: that I'm still getting DMS and I don't know, it's

489
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: it's despicable. But it's weird to say that we're lucky.

490
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: But we are lucky to be in a time where

491
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: we don't feel like our voices are being restricted in

492
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: any ways. Beautiful Klen, you've been through a lot, you know,

493
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, think about what we just talked about since

494
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast. Yeah, it's weird to think

495
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: about and going through therapy. My this is like anyone

496
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: else talking about this is going to be crying. But

497
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: you're just a practical person. And I am practical in

498
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: the sense where it's like I can't change what happened

499
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: to me. All I can do is grow through it

500
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: and learn from it and try to become a better person. Well,

501
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: thanks for sharing. Yeah, thank you, it means a lot.

502
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. When we come back, we're going

503
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: to jump into the next stages of your life, which

504
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: happens to include the Bachelor franchise and a guy we

505
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: know named Colton Underwood. Hey, we'll come back on the

506
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: Almost Famous in depth with Kaylin Miller Keys. We're back

507
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: with Kaylen Miller Keys. Kaylin, I want to just start again.

508
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: We just took a little break. I apologize. First off,

509
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm stuffy from allergies and so that's getting me. It's

510
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: not the best of voices right now, not that it

511
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: ever is. But uh, Kaitlin, thank you for sharing, thanks

512
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: for being a good advocate, and thanks for educating me

513
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: on a lot of these things. So I just I

514
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: appreciate that. That's what I was thinking about during break.

515
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: And Ashley, I think you feel the same way totally. Okay,

516
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: So while this all went down, you were at Virginia

517
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: Commonwealth University, YOUCU, and you were studying broadcast journalism and

518
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: you were also doing pageants and you graduated the same

519
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: year that you did your prayer that you won Miss

520
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: North Carolina the year after. Okay, so all this all

521
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: this is happening, and you did you did you want

522
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: a career somewhere where like you were going to be

523
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: front and center. Yeah, which is so strange because looking

524
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: back in my life, I was never that way when

525
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: I was a kid. But going through pageants. It's kind

526
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: of Most people start studying broadcast journalism, and I was like,

527
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: I'm in pageants, I might as well follow along and

528
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: try sports broadcasting. I know nothing about sports, though, and

529
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: I was like, that is the dumbest thing. I would

530
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: be a terrible sports broadcaster. And so I graduated, and

531
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: I just I fell in love with journalism. I always

532
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: loved journalism, even in high school. I did print, but

533
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: broadcast I especially loved. And you know, it was just

534
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: it was fun to be in front of the camera.

535
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: It's fun to edit your own things, also shoot the camera.

536
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: So when you signed up for The Bachelor, was that

537
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: during your stint as Miss North Carolina? Because isn't that

538
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: illegal in pageant? Or you can't like sign I know

539
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before on the podcast. I won't

540
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: bring it back up, but I remember when I was

541
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: looking into pageants, I was like, oh, I'd have to

542
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: basically choose one or the other. And now we see

543
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of pageant girls on the show. But

544
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: back during your day or like when you signed up

545
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: for it, I feel like it wasn't legal, right, it

546
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: was okay. I don't think there was anything in the contract.

547
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: At that point. I remember calling my director and I

548
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I think I'm going to do this,

549
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and she didn't tell me that Hannah was doing it,

550
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: which is so funny, but yeah, so I signed up.

551
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I told my director and she said, just make sure

552
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: you're back for the crowning of Miss North Carolina. And

553
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I thought for sure I would be one. I'm probably

554
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: going home night one and two. They're usually in the States,

555
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: and I talked to someone and I was like, is

556
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: it possible if we're still in the States for me

557
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: to fly back and They're like, yeah, it could be possible.

558
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: So I was like, if I don't go for some

559
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: crazy reason, don't go home night one, like, we'll still

560
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: make it back. But we ended up being in Vietnam.

561
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: There's no way I can fly home from Vietnam and

562
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: then go crown the girl and then come back. You

563
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: were in Vietnam and somebody is trying to convince you

564
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: that you could possibly make this whole thing work. Yeah, unbelievable.

565
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: So how did it play out? Unfortunately? I missed it,

566
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: and I mean, it's a bummer, but my teen is

567
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: incredible and she took it over. There's like Miss North

568
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: Carolina teen, and she essentially it's like placing a crown

569
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: on someone's head, and it is like it is important.

570
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I won't say that it's not important. But also at

571
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: the time, I was in Vietnam and I was like,

572
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: I think I might really love this man. So am

573
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: I really going to place a crown on someone's head

574
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: and give up a man that I might love? So

575
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: that's how I justified it. And it's you know, it

576
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: wasn't the best, but it happened all right. So there's

577
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of jealousy when it comes to pageants

578
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: when you weren't crowned Miss USA and you saw a

579
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: friend get crowned Miss Usa, Like, you have to be

580
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: honest with the feelings that run through your body in

581
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: that moment. I remember us like holding hands at the

582
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: end and the cameras are spending and we're like, holy crap,

583
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Like neither one of us thought we would ever be here.

584
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: We maybe thought we'd make the top fifteen, and even

585
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: that we felt like was a stretch. And it's on

586
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: national television. What was this broadcasted on? What was it? Maybe? Yeah,

587
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: like Box, you are on primetime TV for the first

588
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: time too, Yeah, it was. It was insane and just

589
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: to know, like the best friend that I made at

590
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: Miss USA. It was like me and her at the end,

591
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: she was like I think we just kept saying like

592
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come visit you in New York, and she

593
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna come visit you in New York

594
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: because whoever wins missed to New York and then they

595
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: called her and for a split second there was a

596
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: pit in my stomach and I was like, dang it.

597
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: And then I was like this is incredible, Like this

598
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: is so incredible. I didn't think I was going to

599
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: place I went to. Miss ten Usa didn't place Like

600
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: this is awesome. And I was so happy for her

601
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: and she was an incredible in Miss USA. So there

602
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: was really no jealousy there with Miss USA. So, but

603
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: do you feel like jealousy was the root of your

604
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: issues with Hannah Brown during that whole pageant, that year

605
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: of pageantry. No, I wouldn't say it was jealousy. I

606
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: you guys are roommate's like, tell us about the first

607
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: moment you met. Yeah. So also I'm just like I

608
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: am such a freaking different person from Miss USA till now.

609
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: So it's so weird to think about. But so Hannah

610
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: and I met when she was crowned, and I was

611
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: already close with Miss Louisiana and she's still one of

612
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: my best friends. I love her to death, and she

613
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: was crowned and we were excited to bring her in too.

614
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Like the RPM family, we met, we were hanging out,

615
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: loved her, we like got along great. What does OURPM

616
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: stand for? Yeah, uh Ryan Paul Morgan, it's like their production.

617
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, And so yeah we met, we like were

618
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: great friends and then I don't know, I just there

619
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: was like a rift in the friendship and it was

620
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: like just small things. And I'm the type of person

621
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: all right, used to be that person and I'm not

622
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: anymore thanks to The Bachelor, and just like producers pound, like,

623
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, hounding it in on me that I need

624
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: to grow backbone and I need to speak up for myself.

625
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: And I used to be the way where if something

626
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: bothered me, I would just let it bottle up and

627
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I would just kind of push that person away because

628
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I would rather do that than deal with confrontation, which

629
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: is terrible. So I kind of was doing that with Hannah,

630
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: and there were just like little things here and there

631
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: that I was like, I don't know if I I

632
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like hard to explain. So then

633
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: we go to Miss USA and you explain one little thing,

634
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: like I don't want to pressure you, but like give

635
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: us one example. It just it was starting to feel competitive,

636
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't want our friendship to feel competitive. But

637
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: it's natural to feel competitive because we are competing against

638
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: one another, you know, Yeah, And I just I didn't

639
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: like that. And it wasn't anything like I just felt

640
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: that way. It's not necessarily something she was doing or

641
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: anything like that. I just felt like it was getting

642
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: too competitive, and I don't know, it's just like so

643
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: weird to look back on. But so we go to

644
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: Miss USA and I just got very quiet, and that's

645
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: just who I am, especially when I'm competing. I was

646
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: just like quiet, and I would have my headphones in.

647
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: I would listen to the news, and I just didn't

648
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: like to, you know, hear different things like I just

649
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: I like to be in my own bubble and she

650
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: likes to have you know, family talking and hyping her up.

651
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: But that gets in my head. So I would like

652
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: have headphones in and kind of get frustrated. I was like,

653
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about how amazing your body is.

654
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: I know it's amazing. I only worked out three times

655
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: before this, Like I feel like, so I just I can't.

656
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: It was like those types of things, and it wasn't

657
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: anything she was doing intentionally. It was just me not

658
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: being confident in myself. Got it. So then when you

659
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: maybe that's Chelsea. So then you guys both separately sign

660
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: up for the show and you both get cast. I

661
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: believe that you guys probably both would have been cast

662
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not you had a relationship. Was

663
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: there anything that you lent to them in casting that

664
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: would have made them think, oh, these two had beef

665
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: and this will be great drama for the show. I

666
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: think we weren't following each other on the time where

667
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: we both went into the casting office and she went

668
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: in before me and I went in right after her,

669
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: or maybe vice versa. But yeah, so I think we

670
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: weren't following each other. We come in at the same time,

671
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: where like we just got back from his USA, and

672
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: they probably saw that we weren't following each other and

673
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, there's something there. I think they're that

674
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: good like they they would they would pick up on that.

675
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Maybe did you think she any photos together? Like you

676
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: had photos together? Okay, yeah, we had photos together, but

677
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: like down a little bit, not too far. I guess.

678
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think she would have said

679
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: anything like oh I hate Caitlin. But just to give

680
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: me some clarity here, did either of you know that

681
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: the other person was there? I did. We were both

682
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: at this conference and she came in after her casting,

683
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: So I guess did I go first? One of us

684
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: went in first, and she came back in and she

685
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: was like dressed up all cute and it was a

686
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: conference where no one dressed up cute. And she told

687
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: one of our friends, she was like, I just got

688
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: back from the Bachelor casting and I was like, oh, shoot,

689
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: that's kind of when I found out. So like this

690
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: was like before top fifty in the in LA casting,

691
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: Like this is when like you guys were casting in

692
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: different states when they like do the tour yeah, and

693
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: when they're like if you're in LA, come by. Yeah.

694
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: So we were both in LA. So we did like

695
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: the combine thing in the office. Oh wow, okay, very interesting.

696
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I want to know what the producers were thinking at

697
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: this point. I mean, now, knowing how far and how

698
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: much of an impact you've had on Bachelor Nation, I

699
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: want to know if they at the time were like,

700
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: holy cow, we just hit a jackpot, like two beautiful girls, charismatic,

701
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: both know each other, have probably some storyline leading up

702
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: to this, Like I bet they were freaking out. Yeah,

703
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: So then you show up night one, you see Hannah.

704
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: What went through your body at that point? I knew

705
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: because I was even in the hotel room when I

706
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: was talking producers. I was like, I know, Hannah's here

707
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: and they were like what And I was like, no,

708
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Hannah's here. I know it, and it's fine, Like I

709
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: don't care. We're like civil, we're fine. And then I

710
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: saw her walk in and we were like talking. We

711
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: were like boastending by the bar, and she was like,

712
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to me and if you talked to me,

713
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: and I'm so nervous. So we were like, we're fine.

714
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: I said, where did drama come from? Do you think

715
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: that you guys were riled up by producers or do

716
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: you think that like the feelings that you felt months

717
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: prior started to just regurgitate. Yeah, I mean, you know,

718
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: there's so many different factors, and it's easy to competition

719
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: jealous when you're competition like it just it was the

720
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: perfect pot for us to kind of, I don't know,

721
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: hash out everything I really did, Like, how did you

722
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: start then talking about it? Well, Colton pulled me aside

723
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: the night of the Pirate Date and was like, well,

724
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: Hannah said these things about you, and so I mean

725
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: a little backstory with that. The reason it kind of

726
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: looks manipulative when you watch it back because I'm like

727
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: starting crying and I'm like, there's things that you don't know.

728
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: And so at the Pirate Date, I was still going

729
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: through my case with my sexual assaults and we were

730
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: at the point where we were settling with the school

731
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: because they had just done so many things wrong in

732
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: my case and they were like, you know, you can

733
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: take us to court or we can settle. And so

734
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: I got a call about the case and it just

735
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: really upset me and the fact that this has now

736
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: been going on for you know, three years or four years,

737
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: and I'm having to deal with this like have my

738
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: lawyers call producers and producers call me and tell me

739
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: like it was just it was so frustrating and it

740
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: was really bad news that we got and it was

741
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: super upsetting, and I'm like four years and we have nothing, like,

742
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing from this. So then Colton pulls me aside

743
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: and I'm already just like so upset and I've been

744
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: trying to mask it and then he brings that up

745
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is annoying and I'm dealing with others.

746
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about that right now.

747
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: So that's kind of and watching it back and like

748
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: that looks manipulative and it wasn't. It was just me

749
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: like trying to process what was going on in my

750
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: life outside of this world. Got it. Did you know

751
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: at this point then that the Hannah feud what like,

752
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: was it even on your mind? No? Because that date, Yeah,

753
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: I was just like I remember, I was just focused

754
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: on Colton and I had the Pirate thing and I

755
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: was like determined to win. I was like, I am

756
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: going to win this and it is obviously a little

757
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: rigged for me to win, but yeah, I was just

758
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: focused on like having fun and enjoying that Pirate date.

759
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: So if we watch a season back and we were

760
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: prepping for it, it kind of then like just it

761
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: went through a couple episodes, you and Hannah kind of

762
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: feuding and then it just ends like why what happened?

763
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I remember, I totally remember that night, and I was like,

764
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to have this thing. I

765
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: don't want to like there's no fight to be had.

766
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: And it was from my side of things. It was

767
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: like me at Miss USA, like processing things differently and

768
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: me being passive, way way way too passive and just

769
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: being like not being able to vocalize, like hey, this

770
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: upsets me whatever. There was just no big thing, and

771
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like Also the producers they were like,

772
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: we don't know how to deal with this. We've never

773
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: had two people outside of the show like have two

774
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: different things coming on because we don't know how to

775
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: hash this out. And so I was like, well, let's

776
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: just or I don't think it was my idea, but

777
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: it was someone's idea for me to grab Hannah and

778
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: just be civil and be like this is stupid, this

779
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: is really dumb. We both like Colton, let's move on.

780
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: Let's like be friendly. We don't have to be best friends,

781
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: but we can be friendly not have to be separated

782
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: all the time. And I remember that next day after

783
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: the fight, we got a nailsten together and we were talking.

784
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: Everything was fine, which sounds crazy, but I do know

785
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: it worked for us. Do you guys like you solved

786
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: your relationship problem there in the moment, but you guys

787
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: were never going to be best friends ever again? How

788
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: did it feel that she became Bachelorette? And mean, like,

789
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: you got Miss USA runner up and then she got Bachelorette.

790
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: There must have been some envy there. I'm trying to

791
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: think back. I remember getting the call that it wasn't

792
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: me for Bachelorette, and I was like, dang, that kind

793
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: of sucks. But and then I found out it was

794
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: her at Woman tell All. We all kind of knew

795
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: at Woman tall All that it was her, and it hurt.

796
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: It definitely hurt, but I mean, yeah, it's done, and

797
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: I was upset and I was like I kind of

798
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: was led to believe that it was mine and then

799
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: suddenly it wasn't and it was Hannah's. And you know,

800
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: looking back on previous seasons, it's always been in the

801
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: top four, and then for them to branch out and

802
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: pick Hannah, I was just it hurts and I just

803
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: felt like, I don't know, like I was. I don't know.

804
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: I just have so many thoughts on this issue, Caitlyn,

805
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Do you think I just had a weird thought? Do

806
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: you think you guys would have confronted and fixed things

807
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the show. No, I think it

808
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: would have been a thing where the friendship didn't work

809
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: out and we just go our separate ways. It's wow

810
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: and the show can do that, isn't it. Yeah? Hey, Caylen,

811
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: let's take one more break. When we come back, we're

812
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: going to touch on your season of the Bachelor with

813
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: Colton Underwood, your relationship with Cassie, and then close up

814
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: with I think a really really fun segment talking about

815
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: your relationship with Dean and your other boyfriend. Do you

816
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: consider him a boyfriend Pappy? Oh No, he's my son. No, son, son, Sorry,

817
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: son Happy. We'll be back with Kaylan Miller Keys. We're

818
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: back with Kaylan Miller Keys. Kaylan, We've talked about a

819
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: lot of the things leading up to this point, but

820
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: you were on The Bachelor dating a man named Colton Underwood.

821
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just start with a general question. Were

822
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: you excited for Colton to be a Bachelor? No? And

823
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: I told him that I'm like, maybe the second or

824
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: third episode, I was like, I was really hoping for Jason,

825
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: and when it wasn't him, I was like, all right,

826
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: might as well still, you know, go and have fun.

827
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: But I was pleasantly surprised by Colton. I just he's

828
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: not the type of person that I would like typically date.

829
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Do you've I mean, we've had a few people now

830
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: do in depths from Colton season. It feels like that's

831
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: the common response that we get is we weren't excited

832
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: for him to be the bachelor. We were pleasantly surprised,

833
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: but he still wasn't the type of person we would date.

834
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: Was that a theme in the house. Yeah, I know,

835
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: like some people definitely had deep connections with him, and

836
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: most of the girls were like sitting in their bunk beds,

837
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: like I don't really care about him. And I was like, guys,

838
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: there's cameras, like they can pick up on this. You

839
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: can't just say that. But there were a lot of

840
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: girls who just weren't super interested. You definitely weren't one

841
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: of those girls, though I felt like you genuinely did

842
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: have feelings. It's just so weird. It's so weird now

843
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: looking back, but in the moment, yes I did. I

844
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: definitely had feelings, and he was just Colton's a great

845
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: guy and he was great at making everyone feel special,

846
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: and I definitely did have feelings forever ago. Do you

847
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: At what point then did it start to switch for you?

848
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if this would have been you at the end,

849
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: what would you have done? If it was us at

850
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: the end, we would not still be together. We're just

851
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: too different and him and Cassie are like a perfect match.

852
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, it just it never would have worked with us.

853
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: I need someone like Dean to just mellow me out

854
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: and make me not take life too seriously, not wear

855
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: makeup things like that. A guy like Dean Well, good

856
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: news team. We're gonna be talking about Dean Ungler just

857
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. Why do you think there was so

858
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: much tension between the other girls in the house and

859
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: then you and Cassie. There really wasn't up until like

860
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: the end, but we were like friends with everyone. But

861
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: we just had such a close, close friendship, unlike any

862
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: friendship either of us have ever had. We were just

863
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: like best best friends and it only seemed weird to

864
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the girls. So, like, you can't be

865
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: this close and developed feelings for a guy the same guy,

866
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: and I get that, but we were so good at

867
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: separating the two and we just wouldn't talk about it.

868
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: And that's the only way we could remain friends was

869
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: just to be like I'm in my mind, I was like,

870
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna present like you guys don't have a strong relationship.

871
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend like he doesn't like you, because that's

872
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna help me to be your best friend. It seemed

873
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: like you and Cassie were hanging out together in LA

874
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: and such before the season started airing, but wall Cassie

875
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: and Colton were together. Was it weird seeing him with

876
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: her so soon after you had feelings for him? Yeah,

877
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: I remember when I found out that they were together,

878
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: and that same pit that I had in my stomach

879
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: when Sarah went with Usa, I had when I found

880
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: out that they were together, because I felt I was like,

881
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: for sure, it's Hannah Godwin, I know they're together, and

882
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: I was like, now me and Cassie can just do

883
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: our thing and like and then she I found out

884
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: that it was him that Cassie was with him, and

885
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like what and that

886
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: same thing. I pushed it out. I was like, I

887
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: can't be jealous. I have to be happy for her.

888
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: It didn't work out for us, but I hope it

889
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: works out for them, And that was kind of my mindset.

890
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: But it was weird. The first time I saw him,

891
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I was super uncomfortable and just didn't

892
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: know how to act, and I think he kind of

893
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: felt the same way. We just wanted to be respectful

894
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: of Cassie. So you thought I was going to be

895
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Hannah in the end, which she makes me curious as

896
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: to think. Would do you think that you would have

897
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: been as close with Cassie if you thought that she

898
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: was actually the one who won his heart. Yeah, I

899
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: just because the way that we processed it in our brains,

900
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: it was like we just both believed that the other

901
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: didn't have a strong relationship, and I guess I believed

902
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: it so much to the point where I was like,

903
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: it has to be Hannah. I don't know, it's weird

904
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: to think about, but I did. I did subconsciously know

905
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: like they had a strong relationship. But she also didn't

906
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: tell me the things, like the small things that he

907
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: did for her, Like she told me he took her

908
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: back to his room in Thailand. But she didn't tell

909
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: me that he was giving her gifts like every single

910
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: episode and that because she knew that would have hurt me,

911
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: and I would have probably known. Did she not think

912
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: that she was the front runner? At times? She told

913
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: me she didn't, but yeah, she did it for a while.

914
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Interesting And then there was rumors that you, you know,

915
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: were hanging out with Colton before Women Tell All was tape.

916
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: But then at Women Tell All you made it seem

917
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: like you weren't over him at all. In hindsight, it

918
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: was that kind of like an emotional outburst because you

919
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: thought that it would up your chances of being the bachelorette. Yeah, okay,

920
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: you advised certain ways, and I was like, screw it.

921
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: If this is my last chance, let's try it. And

922
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, I had a little birdie in my ear

923
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: telling me people think you're fake, people think you weren't

924
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: actually didn't have actually have feelings for him, People never

925
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: really saw you a mote, So this is your chance.

926
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I'm going to go

927
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: out with a bang. And so just to be clear

928
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: there though, did you have feelings for Yeah? No, I did.

929
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: I did I did have feelings for him, and I

930
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: just remember being dumped and oh, I was just like,

931
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? And now if you just met

932
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: my whole family and I have to go home to

933
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: my family, like there's no way it's over between us.

934
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: And I remember calling producers every day for like I

935
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: don't even know, five days maybe, and I was like,

936
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: he made a mistake. I'm telling you right now, he

937
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: made a mistake, Like I'm coming back. And they said,

938
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: you know what, Lauren said the same thing when Ari

939
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: dumped her, and they were like, let's let it play

940
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: out a couple days. Let's see what happens. If he

941
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: feels the same way, we'll let you come back. So

942
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: I was determined. I was like, I know it's me

943
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: And then you know, the initial heartbreak, you get over it,

944
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh wait no, that was like

945
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: that's not meant to be at all. Yeah. Yeah, so

946
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: you were, Yeah, you were, you had the feelings, but

947
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: you were definitely over by women tell all, oh yeah,

948
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: all the honesty is so fantastic. All right, So you

949
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: and Cassie are you still as close as you were then? Now? Yeah,

950
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: we are. We're still super close. It's just hard to

951
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: Our schedules are so different and obviously not our quarantine.

952
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: But I just talking to her yesterday on the phone,

953
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: but we are still close. It's hard to get back

954
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: to that like level of closeness that we were on

955
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: the show when there's no phones, it's just you any

956
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: other person. Like it's just a great way to build

957
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: friendships in that environment. I completely agree because there are

958
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: some girls from my season that, like I was thinking

959
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: getting off the season, those are going to be bridesmaids

960
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: in my wedding one day. And then those girls, well

961
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: they were invited to my wedding, but they didn't even come.

962
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, No, it's tough and I don't know.

963
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: We still are super close and I'm super thankful for that.

964
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: But getting to that same closeness where there's no distractions

965
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: and it's just like noes and you just get to

966
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: live your life free of any any distraction imaginable, it's

967
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Recently, Colton came out with a book and

968
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: he mentions you in it a lot, a lot. What

969
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: are your thoughts. I've only heard about me and Hannah

970
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: be stuff. I haven't heard about anything else. But I

971
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: think it's because you were one of the people right

972
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: off the bat that he was like, Okay, she's getting far.

973
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: You were his first kiss? Yeah, well not really, oh

974
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: not really. They made it seem like that who was

975
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: his first kiss? Then I want to say Katie, but

976
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong or yeah, I don't know, but I

977
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: get why I'm in the book. I don't know. I

978
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: just hate reliving The Bachelor because I don't know. I

979
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: was twenty three going on the show. I didn't know

980
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: who I was. I was so insecure. I was just

981
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: a very different version of myself. So it's hard for

982
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: me to like look back at that time and remember

983
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: fond memories. Well, I feel like a lot of girls

984
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: said that about you. A lot of them noticed that

985
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: you grew and matured a lot between the break between

986
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Paradise and The Bachelor. What do you think happened? Then?

987
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: I think I just woke up and I shook off

988
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: this pageantry side of me and I was like, this

989
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: is so fake, this is not me, and I just

990
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: need to be myself, Like no one wants this perfectly

991
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: prim let's you know, speak on both sides. Person Like

992
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: just I was like, I'm just going to be myself

993
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: and if that works. That works all right. So now

994
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: we're in Paradise and you had some drama with Blake

995
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: that we're not even going to bother with right now.

996
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: But I want to know the feeling that you had

997
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: when Dean walked down those stairs. Was it love at

998
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: first sights? Because I'd say for most women it is.

999
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: For me, it was for those men and women, I said, say, actually,

1000
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: so Dean and I actually met in March, maybe, yeah, right,

1001
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the season finale of my season airing is the first

1002
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: day that we met. And it was at like through

1003
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: a mutual friend. It was like super brief, like hey, hey,

1004
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: like how are you? How are you? And I remember

1005
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: walking out and being like, one, he is so tall,

1006
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: and two his eyes are so blue. He's so handsome,

1007
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: and so when he came down to the beach, I

1008
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: was like just reminded of how attractive he is. And

1009
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: I remember talking to him and I was just like,

1010
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: I was a mess that day. You started drinking so

1011
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: early and the heat and you have like two drinks

1012
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: and it's just too much. So I was a mess,

1013
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, there's no way he's going

1014
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: to take me on the state. Like I just acted

1015
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: like a freaking lunatic. And then he asks me and

1016
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, and I was so

1017
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: excited to go on the state with him. But I

1018
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: remember the whole time we were on the date. I

1019
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: was like I remember even asking producers. I was like,

1020
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: is this a friend thing or are we on a date?

1021
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: Like I have no idea, And so we're talking going

1022
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: through the date. I'm starting to like him more and more,

1023
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: and then we jump into the pool and the producer

1024
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: is like kiss him, kiss him, and then I like

1025
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: spin us because he's holding me in the water and

1026
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: the producer's like kiss her, kiss her, and we're both

1027
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: like spinning each other because no one wants to make

1028
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: the first move. And then finally he did, and I

1029
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it's another friend thing? What and like

1030
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: what a magical moment that was watching it because to

1031
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: see Dean really pursue I mean anybody publicly still feels

1032
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: a little weird for me, to be honest, because I

1033
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: just know him privately, and I'm like, I don't think

1034
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: this comes naturally to him, Like I think he likes

1035
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff private, but he obviously felts

1036
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: something with you. We got to see your story play out. Obviously,

1037
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: Dean leaves and comes back, So I'll ask you the

1038
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: same question. What was it like to see him show

1039
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: up the second time? I was so happy and I

1040
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: wanted to like be the cool girl, and he tried

1041
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: to hold my hand and I was like, nope, you

1042
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: have to work for it, like you left me on

1043
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: my birthday, Absolutely not, And so I was so happy.

1044
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: I remember waking up the next day after he dumped me,

1045
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: and I was just you know when you wake up

1046
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my gosh, like I still thought

1047
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: we were together, Like I don't know, I just the

1048
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: whole day I was looking around for him on the

1049
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: beach and I was so I just wanted to see him.

1050
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: And at the wedding, this didn't get showed, but I

1051
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: was like frying the entire time. Yeah. Yeah, but that

1052
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: was the part I was going to bring you. Guys

1053
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: both saw me. Yeah, that was the part I was

1054
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: going to bring up. I was like, Dean, you idiot. Like,

1055
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: so Dean goes down. So here's a little backstore here.

1056
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: So Dean goes down to Paradise, saying telling all his friends,

1057
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: definitely he was not going to get into a relationship. Yeah,

1058
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: that he was just going down there to have a

1059
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: good time and and he didn't want to get into

1060
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: trouble again, right, He just didn't want to have a

1061
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: bad storyline. And so I remember my very last conversation

1062
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: with him, probably very soon before he left, was like,

1063
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: just don't do something stupid, Like, just don't be stupid, Dean. Okay,

1064
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: flash forward into the wedding, and obviously we're talking about

1065
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Chris in Crystal's wedding, and we all are there, for

1066
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: all of us here that are on this on this podcast,

1067
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: and I show up and I'm like, I'm so pumped

1068
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: to see Dean. And I see you there sad and crying,

1069
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what happened? I asked somebody, and they

1070
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: tell me, yesterday, the day before the wedding, right her birthday,

1071
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: your birthday, Dean had broken up with you. And my

1072
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: first response was, Dean, oh, you idiot. And I saw

1073
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: Caylen sitting over there, and I was just like, Okay,

1074
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: she looks like as heartbroken as I was in Paradise

1075
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: with Jared. So I was like, I can tell like

1076
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: genuine heartbreak sadness when I see it. So I go

1077
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: over to her and I'm like, Kaylen, I feel so

1078
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: bad for you, like I'm feeling so much empathy. I go,

1079
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: but like, I love Dean. He's like one of the

1080
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: most sparkling creatures I've ever met inside and out. But

1081
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: that man is not ready for a relationship. And he'll

1082
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: tell anyone that here we are, here we are a

1083
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: year later, and you guys are still together, which is magical.

1084
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: It is so crazy. Oh, that was a brutal day

1085
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: for me. I was just I remember being pulled out

1086
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: of my interview because I was crying too hard, and

1087
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: of course it doesn't get showed. It makes it look like,

1088
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: oh Connor, like I'm so into Connor. But I was

1089
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: like I had to take Hannah Godwin's makeup bag and

1090
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: like from her and pull out something that Dylan had

1091
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: in his pocket of her makeup, just to like, I mean,

1092
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: I was Tia and Becka Kufriin saw me in the

1093
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: bathroom just a mess, like ugly, ugly crying. Connor wants

1094
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: to talk to you, and I was like what, and

1095
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's just a terrible day for me.

1096
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: But even though you were like saying you're interested in

1097
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: talking to Connor. I was like, Connor will always be

1098
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: her second place, honestly, and I tried to fill that

1099
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: boy that I was missing the Dean with And then

1100
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: Deanie came back and I was like, thank goodness, I

1101
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: was so happy. Yeah, I can't think of anything. It's

1102
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: almost funny. I'm sorry for laughing, but it's almost funny

1103
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: to think that you get broken up with by a

1104
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: man you love. Obviously we know that now, and then

1105
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: you have to show up to a wedding with all

1106
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: of his friends the next day. Like how brutal is that? Oh,

1107
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: it was not fun. It was one of the worst days, honestly.

1108
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: And we can laugh about it now, obviously because you

1109
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: two are together, yes, and you're happy. We are very happy.

1110
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: We are quarantine together and sometimes we get on each

1111
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: other's nerves, but for the most part we get along great.

1112
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: We just like have our separate bedrooms. Can we clarify

1113
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: why he even broke up with you in the first

1114
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: place in Paradise? Was it truly? Because like his mentality

1115
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: going in was don't get in a relationship, And then

1116
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, gotta stick to the original mentality. Yes,

1117
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: Because I pulled him aside and I was like, what

1118
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: is this and he was like, I told you, Like,

1119
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm not. He's like, I got I have a music

1120
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: festival to get to in a week. And I was like, Dean,

1121
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: this goes on for two and a half more weeks

1122
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I gotta I'm going to head

1123
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: out of here soon, Like he was determined just to

1124
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: not leave in a relationship. How are you so forgiving? Like,

1125
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: and I say this because like, Dean is one of

1126
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: my favorite people in the world. I consider one of

1127
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: my best friends. I love him dearly, but I like

1128
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: I also some like Dean's the type of person you

1129
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: just like want to like shake him most of the time.

1130
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: How are you so forgiving? There is just something that

1131
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: I have never felt with anyone that I feel with Dean.

1132
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: It's like, of course, I'll take you back. Like the

1133
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: second he came down, it may have looked like there

1134
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: was some contemplating going on, but I was like, oh

1135
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like my heart is with you for sure.

1136
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we knew you were trying to be a

1137
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: whole cool girl. You're like gonna try to pretend like

1138
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: you're going to take him back, but you had to

1139
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: give him a couple of minutes of being nervous. But

1140
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: there is some that I feel like all of us

1141
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: here can agree on that. Dean is just like he

1142
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: has something where if he looks at you and smiles,

1143
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: you cannot deny him. Yes, it is ridiculous. You've got

1144
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: to come in here. Don't let him come in here.

1145
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't want him to hear this. He doesn't need

1146
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: to hear us raving about him. Yeah. Yeah, I'd prefer

1147
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: he never hears me say anything good about him. Yeah.

1148
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: All right. So you guys are together now, you've been

1149
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: together for almost a year. You've pretty much lived together

1150
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: because you know, Dean's a nomad and when he's not

1151
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: on an adventure pretty much always with you, he's at

1152
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: your apartment, which is kind of shared with both of you.

1153
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: But you have been really secretive about certain big milestones

1154
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: in your relationship. Like I remember asking Dean like, have

1155
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: you guys said I love you? And stuff? And he's like,

1156
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, like yeah, no, yeah, no, and so

1157
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: can you tell us like have you guys said I

1158
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: love you? And when was the moment I was thinking

1159
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: about that today? I was like, Kim, are we saying that?

1160
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, whatever, Yes, I love him a whole lot.

1161
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: I told him, gosh, I don't even know. Maybe when

1162
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: we were in Saint Lucia it was the first time

1163
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: I told him. So you told him first. Yeah, definitely.

1164
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like definitely something you would have to do.

1165
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, oh for sure, there's no way

1166
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: he's doing it first. And he said it back, not immediately,

1167
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: not for a while. I guess I shouldn't say I

1168
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: want to know about Pappy. So we talked about Pappy

1169
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: at the beginning. I've been able to meet Pappy. Ashley's

1170
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: met Pappy. Caitlin, you're not a mom. What does Pappy

1171
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: mean to you? Okay? I feel like a crazy dog mom.

1172
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: And when people like post their dog all the time

1173
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: and how much they love them, I've never understood because

1174
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: I've never had a dog on my own. But I

1175
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: just didn't know that I could love something this much

1176
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: like I love him more and more every single day.

1177
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: He's just my son, and I don't know when he

1178
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: looks up at me and just stares at me. He's

1179
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: doing it now, That's why we're He's doing it right

1180
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: now as we talk. He is, Kayln, I understand so

1181
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: much because like I don't understand being like a person

1182
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: mom yet like a baby mom. So when people post

1183
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: about their baby, I'm like, that's great, but like, how

1184
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: could it be better than my dog? Like truly, I'm like,

1185
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it could get better? Like can I

1186
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: love something and think something is cuter than my dog? Seriously?

1187
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: And Dean and I are whole camera roll. We take

1188
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: like a hundred photos of him a day and like

1189
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: one hundred videos. Anytime you like sticks his tongue out,

1190
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: We're like, come here, come here, come here. You got

1191
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: to see this. Like we are very obsessed with him.

1192
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: He's a beautiful dog. It's a beautiful story, Kaylan. Last

1193
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: question about Pappy. There was a you know, I don't know,

1194
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: a couple months ago you and Dean were deciding on

1195
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: keeping Pappy or not. Was it ever a question in

1196
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: your mind if you were going to continue to allow

1197
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: Pappy to be a part of your family. Yes. So

1198
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: I left for Bali for like a week and a half,

1199
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: and Dean was obviously with Pappy the whole time, and

1200
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: Pappy's behavior changed drastically and he became much more misbehaved,

1201
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I just don't know if

1202
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: we can keep this dog. He was like peeing everywhere.

1203
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: He was barking and he never barked before. And I

1204
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we were traveling in hotels, we

1205
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: were about to get kicked out because he was barking

1206
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: so much. And so that was the only time. But

1207
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 1: then once I started parenting him again, he started behaving more,

1208
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: but being in quarantine, like, I can't imagine not having him. Yeah,

1209
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: Dean as a parent, He's gonna be a great dad.

1210
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: He is. Oh, he's gonna be such a good dad.

1211
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: But I know, no, but I love to see. Sorry, Yeah,

1212
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: I just know, I think. Yeah, please tell us if

1213
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: I think is a big good dad. No, he is.

1214
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I just made him sound like a

1215
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: bad dog dog. But he is like the best dog.

1216
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't min He loves Pappy so much and he's

1217
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: great to him. Well, Kaylen, that's the hard part. You've

1218
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: made it through the gauntlet of questions. We appreciate your vulnerability.

1219
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: I've appreciated hearing your stories. I've learned a lot about

1220
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: pageants and and also just your strength. And so now

1221
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: it's off to Ashley for her famous rapid fire round.

1222
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: All right, what's your favorite adventure you've been on with Dean? Oh, Guatemala,

1223
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: hiking a volcano. Okay, why is that just because it

1224
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: was hiking a volcano? Yeah, it was so cool. It

1225
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: was we hiked, we slept on a volcano which was dormant,

1226
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: and then we hiked an active volcano and it was

1227
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: just the most incredible thing to see interrupting at night.

1228
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: And I definitely complained a lot, and Dean and I

1229
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: got into an argument about my complaining. But looking back,

1230
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, this happens off and where I like fight

1231
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: him on the things that he tries to push me on,

1232
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: and then I look back and like, that was the

1233
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: best experience of my life. How were you able to

1234
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: adapt to this kind of adventure with him? Because it's extreme.

1235
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: You know, you're not just going on a hike of

1236
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: running canyon, which is honestly pretty extreme for me. That's

1237
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: like a real cardiovascular intense workout. And then you are

1238
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: like going all over the place like sleeping intents when

1239
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm like a hotel snob, so like, please educate us.

1240
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: I think it's just like loving someone and loving the

1241
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: things that they're passionate about and growing with them. And

1242
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: he actually just told me right before we started this

1243
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: that he bought me some rock climbing shoes. So he's

1244
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: going to teach me how to rock climb stone, which

1245
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: will be interesting. But I don't know. I think it

1246
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: just comes with loving the things that they love because

1247
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: they love it and you love them. Wow, you're special. Okay.

1248
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: So what has been something that you have taught him

1249
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: to love that he wouldn't love? Yeah? Like, because if

1250
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: you he taught you how to love adventure in the outdoors,

1251
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: then what's the vice versa of that? Uh? Maybe first

1252
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: class in an airplane probably? What is your plain necessity

1253
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: on all these long travels? Oh? I have to have

1254
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: CBD oil because I get such bad anxiety with surbulence.

1255
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: So it just kind of helps me like relax and

1256
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: not clench the arm rest the whole time. Dean does

1257
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot of projects around the house, whether that's like

1258
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: making you furniture or working on the car. What's the

1259
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: most impressive thing he's done, like hardwar like like to

1260
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: go to manual labor. Thank you. I was gonna say

1261
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: that he has to go to the hardware store, for

1262
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: I love our benches that he built. But I think

1263
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he did his ban himself, Like now

1264
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: you can have people, you know, scrap your van like

1265
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: the interior and make it all new, but he did

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Speaker 1: it all himself, and it's I think it's pretty cool,

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Speaker 1: but he did that. What is your favorite food to

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Speaker 1: deliver that you always agree is a good idea? Pizza?

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Speaker 1: Have you spoken about children? No? But weirdly, my Google

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Speaker 1: pop like picks articles that they think will be of

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Speaker 1: interest in me, and it said Dan Uncler talks about

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Speaker 1: kids with Kaielan and so I read it and apparently

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Speaker 1: apparently he's opening up to it. So that's good. Are

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Speaker 1: you surprised that you guys have lasted as long as

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Speaker 1: you have since Bachelor Nation? Is so surprised? At first,

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Speaker 1: I was like treating this relationship like it was it

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Speaker 1: It sounds really bad, but I like it was going

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Speaker 1: to end, and the way that I was like preparing

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Speaker 1: my heart because I couldn't deal with that heartbreak again.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, he's probably going to

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Speaker 1: get tired of me soon. But then like the more

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Speaker 1: we get to know each other, the more we traveled together,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like this is actually something. And finally,

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Speaker 1: what is the most annoying thing that he's been doing

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Speaker 1: during quarantine, And what does he think The most annoying

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Speaker 1: thing that you've been doing during quarantine is his? For

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Speaker 1: sure is Call of Duty. I hate that game, but

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Speaker 1: also I like, we had a conversation about it, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't really be mad at you

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Speaker 1: because what is there to do in quarantine And if

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Speaker 1: it's something that makes you happy, fine do it and

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Speaker 1: play it. And I think the annoying thing that I

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Speaker 1: do in quarantine is just nag him about Call of Duty? Amazing,

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Speaker 1: all right, Kaylin? And this was a long haul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you did it to us for an hour and a half.

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Speaker 1: Can we get three more minutes from you? Though? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So we we always liked ind it this way because

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Speaker 1: you're you're obviously one of Bacter Nation's favorite. You have

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Speaker 1: an incredible story to tell you shared it with us today.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there listening to this

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Speaker 1: that are big fans of you, and we're fans of

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Speaker 1: the listeners. Kaylin. If I gave you the platform, which

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you now the stage, what would

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Speaker 1: you say to anybody listening who supported you, love you,

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Speaker 1: cared about you Along the way, I would just say

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I get DMS and people are like,

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Speaker 1: I see you, I see your heart. I've watched you

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Speaker 1: of alve, I've watched you change, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: sticking by my side as I am in my early

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Speaker 1: twenties and just learning about myself during this time. So

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Speaker 1: thank you for being supportive, thank you for sharing your

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Speaker 1: stories of you know, different things that you've been through.

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Speaker 1: I'm very appreciative, so sweet. Yeah, You're awesome. Kaylin Miller Keys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining Ashley and I on the Almost Famous

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Speaker 1: in Depth Podcast. Now follow along. I will start Ashley,

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Speaker 1: you obviously know what to do, and then Kaylan join

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Speaker 1: on in. Hey, guys, this has been another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous in Depth Podcast. Today a really special guest,

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Speaker 1: somebody that we care about daily, Kaylin Miller Keys with us.

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Speaker 1: But hey, if you can go to wherever you listen

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Speaker 1: to podcasts and rate us, review us, we love to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Hey, we'll talk to you next time.

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Speaker 1: I've been Ben, I've been, Ashley, and I've been Kaylin.

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Speaker 1: Bye guys. Later, follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost

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