1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,119 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson and Shane Just Shane. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Today we are going to discuss breaking news that Nancy 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Guthrie is missing, story which I'm sure you've all heard 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: about unless you've been living under a rock, because it's 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: basically everywhere. So we would just want to talk about 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: where we're at. There's been so much information that's been 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: coming out. Every time I look at what is my 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: new source, Instagram, Instagram. Every time I look at Instagram, 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: there's just a new update. And there was a press 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: conference today a couple hours ago. So I feel as 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: if we are bringing you the most recent developments. But 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: by the time we record this they'll probably they'll probably 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: be more. We'll be talking about it again. So eighty 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: four year old Nancy Guthrie is the mother of Today 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: co host Savannah Guthrie, and she remains missing from her 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Tucson area home. Authorities continue to treat the case as 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: a criminal investigation. Investigators recently returned to her property, conducting 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: renewed searches with canine units and combing nearby wooded areas, 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: indicating new or ongoing leads. Law enforcement says evidence at 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: the home suggests that she was taken against her will, 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: including biological DNA and blood near the entry and signs 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: of forced entry. No suspects or persons of interests have 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: been publicly identified, other than by what we were talking 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: about earlier by Ashley Banfield, but we'll talk about that 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: and a little bit. Authorities are investigating reports of ransom notes, 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: some reportedly sent to media outlets. Savannah Guthrie and her 28 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: siblings released a public video appeal This was yesterday, asking 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: for proof of life and saying they are willing to 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: communicate if her mother is alive. I watched it. It 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: was actually heartbreaking. It was Samantha and her sister and brother. 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: There's three siblings, and you know what I was thinking, 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: is so difficult in today's age? Is proof of life? 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean with AI. 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: Well that's what they said in their video. 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Right and I and I But when they said that, 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I thought that, how do I mean, at this point 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: in time, how do you have proof of life? Because 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: you can manipulate voices. You could say she's on the 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: phone and it could be her voice. 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: But well, the old days used to be held up 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: a newspaper and took a picture with it. So it 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: was like, this is the date. I'm alive on this day, right, 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: But now, what are you going to do? 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: I mean you there are. 46 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: The time. 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, what in today's age, right now, 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: as of this moment, what could you do to prove 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: proof of life? Because I feel like everything could be. 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: Manipulated in or like a real time conversation, It. 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: Would have to be a real time FaceTime conversation where 52 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: you were asking, Well. 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: You could ask him a question that only that person 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: would know. 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: That's true. 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what you would do. 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I still feel like you would have to 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: have more than that because maybe these I don't know you, yeah, exactly. 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: Feel like what's your favorite song? And they'll be like, oh, 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: it's I don't know what's your favorite? I don't know, 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: And then I'd be like, I don't know, is that 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: her favorite song? Yeah? I think it's her hurt. 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: So authorities are investigating reports of ransom notes. We talked 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: about that talked about proof of life, and the FBI 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: is assisting and federal resources have been offered official stress 66 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: urgency because Nancy got three requires daily medication, increasing concern 67 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: for her health and safety. Yeah, she's eighty four, and 68 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: we know that she has a pacemaker because that was 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: reported that you know, her pacemaker disconnected from her phone or. 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: Likely from being removed further away from her watch, her 71 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: phone or whatever it was, whatever device, and so it 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: lost contact, right and at almost two in the morning 73 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: or something. 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: Well, they released they did a press conference today, also 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: released a timeline. I looked at the timeline several times 76 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: because it's pretty specific, and I realized how much of 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: a digital age we live in that even her opening 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the garage door and closing it like that was time 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: standing and then. 80 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: Her uber right, So it has drop off times, and. 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: So we know on January thirty first, at five thirty 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: two pm, Nancy travels to a local family member's home. 83 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: I believe that she had dinner with family that night. 84 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Then at nine forty eight pm that night, this is 85 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: still in January thirty first, the family drops Nancy off 86 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: at home and the garage door opens. So there's some 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: digital footprint of the garage door opening. How do you 88 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: find that? Can you find that on your garage door? 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: Like we have an electric garage door. 90 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: I think it was her what time she got dropped off, 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: and what time she closed the garage door. 92 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: It was nine fifty But how do you how do 93 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: they know that? I'm saying they know specifically what time 94 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: the garage door opened and what time it closed. I'm 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: just saying, does the garage. 96 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: R connected her phone? You know? Yeah? 97 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: So then at nine to fifty pm the garage door closes. 98 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: Now the following morning, this is now February first, at 99 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: one seven am, a doorbell camera disconnects. That's scary. So 100 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: what that's a ring? Right? A ring camera? 101 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it rings a brand, but it's a doorbell camera. 102 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: Okay, And it disconnects. Then at two twelve am, software 103 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: detects a person on camera. However, there's no video available. 104 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: To the Emotion subscription. IT'SID motion detected, but they didn't 105 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: preserve the video because they didn't they didn't subscribe. 106 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to come back to that because I 107 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: want you to explain that. And then at two twenty 108 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: eight am, the pacemaker app shows a disconnect from her phone, 109 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: which you were saying. It's a disconnect at two twenty 110 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: eight because she's outside the realm of the bluetooth being 111 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: able to pick it up right, so she's probably. 112 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: Sad thinking and if she was killed right then and there, 113 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: and therefore her heart's not beating, I'm guessing the pacemaker 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: still transmits some type of dat. 115 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Some type of information, but it's not transmitting any information, So. 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 2: She's outside not reaching the receiving end, yeah, like the 117 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: phone or watch or whatever it is. 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Then at eleven fifty six am, the family checks on Nancy. 119 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: I believe that's because she was supposed to be at 120 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: church that morning and she didn't show up for church, 121 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: so then the family was they someone contacted the family 122 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: and said, you know, Nancy wasn't at church, and then 123 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: at twelve oh three pm they called nine to one one, 124 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: and then at twelve fifteen that's when the police arrive. 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: So that's the timeline. Now as far as the subscription, See, 126 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: this is what I don't understand because I'm not a 127 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: techie person at all, and you were just making fun 128 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: of me a minute ago saying that I don't even 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: know how to turn on a computer, which is not 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: an exaggeration. I literally don't know how to do anything 131 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: technical at all. 132 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: I just agree because you know anything about Instagram. Yeah, 133 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: but I never said, hey, here's a shopping app. Can 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: you help me install it and set it? Note you've 135 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: never had a problem buying anything at a digital age, 136 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: so you can learn. You choose not to. 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: I choose not to. Shane, is the IT department our 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: home And so as far as there being no subscription, 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: that means that the ring or whatever type of doorbell 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: she has, it's just on a loop and it's not 141 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: saving it. 142 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: You can just see live video. It's like a peephole. 143 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: You can see so right now you could log in 144 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: and see what's at your front door. But it's not 145 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: preserving it. 146 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: So what does that mean when it says it was disabled? 147 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: What did someone do? 148 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: They just they it's still connected to Wi Fi. 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Okay, But my question is for someone whoever this is 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: this person of interests or whoever abducted her to disable it? 151 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: They are they inside the house at this point? 152 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: The doorbell is on the outside of the house. 153 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: That's what my question is. How do they how are 154 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: they disabling it? 155 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: They yank it off the wall and they they smash it. 156 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: So you're saying, that's oh, so it wasn't like some. 157 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: What do you think they do? They tapped in with 158 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: some laptop and they were like, yes, sitting there like 159 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: mission and bunds. 160 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I pictured. 161 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: No, they yanked it off the doorframe and then they 162 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: took it with them. 163 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: So you're saying they just removed it and then okay, 164 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: all right, well okay, but the takeaway from this is 165 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: that you should have a subscription if. 166 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: You want to up your safety. She had a subscription. 167 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: It would have saved whatever video was captured. I don't 168 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: know if they would have been on it. I don't 169 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: know if they came in from the back door and 170 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: then went to the front door without getting in front 171 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: of the camera and yanked it. I don't know, but 172 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 2: it would have shown something something other than just motion 173 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: detected and then disabled. All right. 174 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: So then on Monday, February second, authorities officially upgrade the 175 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: case to a criminal investigation. The sheriff says evidence indicates 176 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: she did not leave voluntarily, and the FBI joins the case. 177 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: We do know that there was blood found on the 178 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: front porch. 179 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: Like blood drops. 180 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: It blood drops. I saw a photo of it. It 181 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: wasn't a large amount of blood, not enough for you 182 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: to say death, she's deceased. It was like dribbles of blood. 183 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: But then my question is what type of enjury occurred 184 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: that would make someone bleed, but not with an intent 185 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: to kill. 186 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: I mean, that's not that far fetched. 187 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just so sadistic. So I think 188 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: someone just broke into this woman's. 189 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: Home, smacker on the head, and then they pull her out. 190 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, it could have been anything. 191 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: Then, on Tuesday, February third, the officials confirmed that the 192 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: DNA evidence was collected from inside the home and have 193 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: confirmed that her blood was found near the front door 194 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: as well. Officials are now saying that there's been no 195 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: proof of life, and reports of a possible ransom note 196 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: start to emerge. Now that ransom note is just throwing 197 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: me for a loop because there's multiple ransom notes. As 198 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: far as what I understand. 199 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: I said the end of the day, I think they're 200 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: just milking the opportunity. 201 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so something, let's talk about the ransom notes. So 202 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: TMZ was the first to reveal details about a ransom note. 203 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: Investigators are saying this is the only note they're taking seriously. 204 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: But that doesn't make sense to me because there was 205 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: also another ransom note that came into a Tucson news 206 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: news station, and I saw them talking about it and 207 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: giving a report on it. And that ransom note has 208 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: corroborating evidence in it that talks specifically about what the 209 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: inside of the house looks like and about what Nancy 210 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: was wearing that evening. So I don't know, but they're 211 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: saying the only note, ransom note they're taking seriously is 212 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: such an MC one. 213 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I don't know. 214 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: So TMZ reported that the note, which was sent to 215 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: them Tuesday morning, demands a specific and very substantial amount 216 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: of bitcoin. The amount is in the millions, and the 217 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: note demands the cryptocurrency be sent to a specific bitcoin address. 218 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: TMZ has verified that the bitcoin address is real. Now, 219 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: how do you know? Can you? How can you have 220 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: an anonymous bitcoin address? And then how do you withdraw 221 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: from it? I'm this all this technology stuff is just 222 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: boggling my mind. 223 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe these, maybe both ransom notes are real. 224 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: Maybe it's like the criminals are just goofballs and they 225 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing. They're like, wait, you sin 226 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: a ransom? No I sent a ransom. No, Wait who 227 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: did you send yours? To? Wait? How much are you 228 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: asking for That's what it was like. 229 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: I said it to TMZ. 230 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: Where did you say, it's like the three stooges, they 231 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing. 232 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: Well, I would hope for Nancy's sake that you're right, 233 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: that it's just some dumb, dumb juices that abducted her, 234 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully she's okay again. TMC has verified the bitcoin 235 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: address is real. I don't even understand what bitcoin is, 236 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: and I will tell you I own some bitcoin. I 237 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: bought some just because I just felt like it, because 238 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: it seemed like the thing to do, and it's actually increased. 239 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: I now have more bitcoin than I used to have. 240 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: But I don't know what it. 241 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Is or how What is what is money? Really? 242 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't even understand that content either, because it's like 243 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: paper money isn't really money. It has to be backed 244 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: by gold, right, So what is bitcoin? 245 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: It's just a digital currency. 246 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't understand bitcoin. 247 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: You don't need it understanding. I understand that she is missing, 248 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: I know, and there's a ransom note and they want 249 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: something for her. 250 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: There is a deadline connected to the alleged ransom, and 251 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: an element of or else the alleged ransom note. Else 252 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: what I don't know. 253 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: That means they don't have a plan. There's that that 254 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: almost sounds like a fake ransom note because they don't 255 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: even know what to do. 256 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if they literally said or else, 257 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: because they're just not giving away actual what the verbiage 258 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: actually is. They're just summarizing it was a large amount 259 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: of money. Well, you know, they're not doing that publicly 260 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: because they want to be able to you know, they 261 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: don't want to give too much information about the ransom note, 262 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: the alleged I like how they called alleged ransom note 263 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: because we're not talking. 264 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: About like validity. Is alleged r note exists? 265 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: So are we saying TMZ? 266 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: I don't believe it much from TMZ really. 267 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Is so the alleged ransom note also describes another item 268 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: the sender says was damaged at her Tucson area at home. See, 269 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: now that's that's corroborating if they talk about some that 270 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: was damaged when they abducted her. 271 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it's an inside job. 272 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: What is inside job? 273 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: Like what if it's like a police officer it was 274 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: like in on it and he's like, oh sweet, I 275 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: know this is broken. I know she was wearing this. 276 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 2: I'm going to send a ransom. 277 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: Oh you're saying like someone involved in the investigation is 278 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: making ransom notes on the side, trying to make some 279 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: trying to get some bitcoin. 280 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: Like the housekeeper grounds keeper. I don't know they forwarded 281 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: for they should, They should do a little combing of 282 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: the who'sn't working in the area and see if anyone's 283 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: from the Boston PD. Yes, because they're. 284 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Shady, right, they forwarded the alleged ransom demand to the 285 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: Pima County Sheriff. Then now we Pema County, Pema County, 286 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: p I m A Pema. On Wednesday, February fourth, CNN 287 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: came out with more reports on the note as well, 288 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: and anchor Mary Coleman appeared on CNN's Aaron Burnett out 289 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: Front to reveal information about the alleged ransom note the 290 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: station received. See this is where I question, is this 291 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: the same ransom note that also went to TMZ or 292 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: is this a different ransom note? 293 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: This is where I don't know. 294 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: So, Coleman said, she is a news anchor that works 295 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: at this news station that received a ransom note. There 296 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: are a few things that we can share as far 297 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: as what the contents were, a lot of it is 298 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: information that only someone who is holding her for ransom 299 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: would know, some very sensitive information and things that people 300 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: who were there when she was taken captive would know. See. 301 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: I find that interesting because in the press conference the 302 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: police said that they only are taking the ransom note 303 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: from that the TMZ ransom note is the only one 304 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: they're taking. Seriously. However, this news anchor is talking about 305 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: the ransom note that the news station received and saying 306 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: that it has corroborating would. 307 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: Make you think that's two different notes, two. 308 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: Different notes, or why are the police not. 309 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: Saying a photocopy of the other? 310 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, she continued, So those are things that 311 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: are concerning. We immediately sent that information over to the 312 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: sheriff's to apartment. Additionally, Coleman said a detective asked for 313 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: more information about an IP address for the email. She 314 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: also confirmed that the ransom letter included a dollar amount 315 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: as well as a deadline and other specifics that only 316 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Guthrie's abductor might know. So that definitely raised some red flag. 317 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: So again there's my question, are. 318 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: We talking by email? 319 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: It was by email? 320 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: Okay? So it wasn't like the where they cut up 321 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: the little magazine letters. Now that's old school. 322 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: That's old school. They don't do that anymore. 323 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: They won cryptocurrency. 324 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they went bitcoin and they sent emails. 325 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah okay. 326 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: Also on Wednesday, February fourth, investigators returned to Nancy's home 327 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: with K nine units and an online prayer vigil for 328 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: Nancy was held. So here we are currently, where are 329 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: we at? Savannah Guthrie? This is the daughter has issued 330 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: a public plea for the safe return of her mother. 331 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: In a video released with her siblings, the family address 332 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: reports of potential ransom messages, asking anyone involved to confirm 333 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: that Nancy Guthrie is alive, and stating we are ready 334 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: to listen, you know. That says we're ready to negotiate. 335 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: That says we got your ransom letters. There are some 336 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: things that are concerning in them. Is what I would 337 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: take away from that that there's information that seems specific 338 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: and knowledgeable only to someone that would have been there. 339 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie has said that her mother suffers from chronic 340 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: pain and depends on daily prescription medication, heightening fears about 341 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: the risk that she faces while she is missing. P 342 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: MC County's Sheriff Chris Nanos, held a press conference earlier 343 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: today to share the latest information. During the news conference, 344 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Heath Jenkie, who is the FBI Phoenix's Special Agent in charge, 345 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: confirmed that one arrest was made regarding an impostor ransom note. 346 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: See that's my question. If one is an impostor, I'm 347 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: going to assume the one that went to the police 348 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: station is possibly the. 349 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: I read that both were sent to the police station, 350 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: because I think that's probably a good protocol. And I 351 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: think right now, I think they're not They're purposely not 352 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: providing all the information publicly, like that's not their concern, 353 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: and plus THEYD to verify things. What if these two 354 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: ransom notes were written by people that are connected. So 355 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're being very careful in what 356 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: they're allowing the public to know. And that's why we 357 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: don't know everything right now about these two ransom notes, 358 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: right Like I so, I think your questions are valid. 359 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: Are they the same, are they different? Blah blah blah, 360 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: And I think what you said is all we know 361 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: right now. 362 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: Well, it's very difficult to connect all the dots right 363 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: now because they are giving a very limited amount of information, 364 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: like you said, So it's like we have these conclusions. 365 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: There's a ransom note. TMZ got a ransom note, this 366 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: news station got a ransom note, but it's hard to 367 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: figure out what was said, which one is the imposter, 368 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: which one is. 369 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: They're still looking for suspects, so even if they think, hey, 370 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: this one's fake, but maybe they don't want to tell 371 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: people because maybe they wanted to weed out more people suspects. 372 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. So the special Agent in charge of 373 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: this case confirmed that one arrest was made regarding an 374 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: impostor ransom note. The FBI is now offering a fifty 375 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars award for information that will help find Nancy. Now, 376 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: that was they found. If they arrested someone, that means 377 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: they figured out that the note was an impostor, figured 378 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: out who sent it, found the person, and arrested them. 379 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: That was quick. 380 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because it's digital. Someone just typed up a 381 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: note and dropped it off at the station, news station 382 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: and police station. The old school was like, where did 383 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: this paper come from? Okay? But then what typewriter was used? 384 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 2: Were the typewriter? 385 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Okay? But here's my question. If that person was so 386 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: easily found. Then the person who sent the ransom note 387 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: to TMZ the one that they're saying is legitimate that 388 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: they're taking seriously. They haven't arrested anyone connected with that. 389 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: That means because the fake one is by some sloppy 390 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: meth head trying to get a few bucks. He's trying 391 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: to get some bed. The one is a little bit 392 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: more thought out. 393 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Is the actual abductor, is what we would conclude at 394 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: this point, the FBI agent said, in regards to the 395 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: ransom note, the one that went to the media is 396 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: the one we're currently investigating and working on. The impostor 397 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: that I talked about, where an arrest was made early 398 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: this morning, that there will be more information. We believe 399 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: there is no evidence to connect this to Nancy's case. 400 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: It was someone that was trying to profit from it, 401 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: a total impostor. As the search moves into its fifth day, 402 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: concern for Guthrie's health continues to intensify. The Pima County 403 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 1: sheriff reiterated at the press conference that there are no 404 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: suspects and no persons of interest at this time. You know, 405 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: that is what they said publicly on the record. However, 406 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. If you listen to Ashley Banfield, she 407 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: did do. She came out publicly and said that the 408 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: son in law was a person of interest, and I 409 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: don't think she's recanted that at all, but. 410 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: That she's basing on what she's coming across. Well, I 411 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that's not an officially announced anything, right. 412 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: No, it's not officially announced by the police. It's officially 413 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: announced by Ashley Banfield. But I'm saying she's well connected 414 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: in the area of crime, true crime, cops, attorneys, the whole, 415 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: all the inside information. So the fact that she came 416 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: forward and said that, I don't know, we shall see. 417 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: Because she's also the one that said it's camera's not camera? 418 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 419 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: Oh, when you put an S on the end of 420 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: a noun, it's plural. 421 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: No, I understand, but I don't know what you're What 422 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: is that meaning? 423 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: More than one camera was taken from the property and disabled. 424 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: That's what she says. Her source said, okay, And she 425 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: also says that her source, meaning it's not public, it's 426 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: just her right. But the back door was left open 427 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 2: right when they arrived, meaning there was a break in 428 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 2: on one door, presumably the front door and then the 429 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: back door was left open and there's blood on the 430 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: front door or the front area, the front porch, and 431 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: she doesn't she didn't hear whether there was or was 432 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: not blood elsewhere or something like that. So you know, 433 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: who knows. Time will tell. 434 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: Well, we will stay connected very closely to the story, 435 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: and we really pray and hope that that Nancy is okay. 436 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: I feel all wold. 437 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: It's been I mean realistically it's been five days. Yeah, 438 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 2: and her medication they say it is crucial daily. 439 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: And also if she was connected to age. 440 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: And pacemaker, and I've seen pictures of her, she's not 441 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: physically fit to you know, be roughed up. 442 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we will continue to follow the story and 443 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: let you know what comes up next on this. So 444 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: thanks for listening, guys, We appreciate you. 445 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: Hopefully, we just had one more update and they caught him, well, 446 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: that found her. 447 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: That would be we're done, amazing. We would hope, we 448 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: would hope and pray for a happy ending that they 449 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: figure out who this is, they find Nancy and they 450 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: bring her home safely and she recovers. 451 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: That's what we'll hope for, and they throw them in 452 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: a jail cell to rock. 453 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, thanks guys for listening to Legally Brunette. 454 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: As always, you can find us anywhere you listen to 455 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: your podcast. Also, be sure to follow legally Brunette and 456 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: leave us of a review if you have the time 457 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: or opportunity. We'd love to read those. 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