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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's DRAWNA Queen's Drama Drawn MC Queen's Drama Queens.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, everyone, Welcome to show. People. We

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Speaker 1: didn't even my gosh, what a great episode, just another

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Speaker 1: like you're watching Hayley struggle episode after episode after episode.

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Speaker 1: You just wanted to be better already, and we are

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Speaker 1: not getting that instat gratification and it feels like heartbert.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad though, because that's real life and you

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Speaker 1: it's Hayley's journey, y'all. It's season three, episode three, and

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Speaker 1: the title is first day on the brand new planet,

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Speaker 1: and she is certainly in a whole new world. This

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Speaker 1: aired originally October ninete two thousand five. And my god,

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Speaker 1: we've said it once before, We'll say it a hundred

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Speaker 1: times more. We love season three. Mm hmm. This was

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Speaker 1: What ultimately, what it means for me while I'm watching

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Speaker 1: Did it? Did they? It went on the internet. They

427
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Speaker 1: created the real website punkin Disorderly or whatever it is,

428
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Speaker 1: and posted it was so they could blur the line

429
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Speaker 1: between fact and fick shin. So they would roll it

430
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: out like when our episodes would roll out? And did

431
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: were there a lot of listeners? Is there like a

432
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: record of those episodes? And and what I mean? Don't

433
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: you think did it spin into anything? When did it stop?

434
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: I have so many questions. Yeah, this whereas what we

435
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier sounded like a country song. Um,

436
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: this seems like a great opportunity for fans to help us,

437
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: because I was also going to say, you know who,

438
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: we could probably ask Since Warner Brothers is now run

439
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: by women, we could probably call up some of the

440
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: executives over there and be like, hey, we're one of

441
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Speaker 1: your pillar properties, right, do you have any of those

442
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Speaker 1: data laying around? Also? Do you have a link could

443
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Speaker 1: we listen? Yeah? I'd love to listen to Payton's podcast.

444
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: You know we should. We should listen to Payton's podcasts

445
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: and then do a podcast about the podcast, and then

446
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: do a podcast about the podcast about like pod sception

447
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: just worlds in world. You know you're a Matt wrapped

448
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: in a mystery, wrapped inside a bit. Sorry, um, we haven't.

449
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: We haven't done the recap of this episode for anyone

450
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: who didn't watch the actual episode. So I'm going to Okay,

451
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: it's the first day of school. Lucas and Haley make

452
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: predictions on their year. That's the little you know, brick

453
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: that goes in the wall and the tin. Nathan makes

454
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: a final decision on his and Haley's marriage, which is

455
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about. He says, you know, I

456
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: don't want an annulment. I wanted to force with the

457
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: question mark though with a question mark. But but you know,

458
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: let's trick happens in a year. It's like, really, but okay,

459
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: we'll get there. Um. Lucas and Peyton find out why

460
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: Ellie was buying drugs, which is that she says she

461
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: has cancer and she the marijuana helps with the symptoms.

462
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: And Dan finds out the truth of Lucas's involvement in

463
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: the fire through a very intense scene in the gym

464
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: with with Dan choking Lucas and Lucas it's assault making

465
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: crazy faces and Peyton like get and it was so

466
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: much okay, And Lucas and Brooke continue to date non exclusively,

467
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe because Lucas definitely definitely calls her bluff and say.

468
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: And then Whitey announces he's retiring from coaching after Karen

469
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: shows up and really saves the day when Dan tries

470
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: to get Whitey fired. It was a packed episode. Mount

471
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: is back. That was great to see him out with

472
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: his microphone and the boys are back. The boys are

473
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: back in town. Yeah, it was fun. You know what

474
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: I did really love? I loved that. I mean, listen,

475
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: this relationship stuff is personal to everyone for every reason.

476
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: I love that as we see it through these characters

477
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: as young people trying to find their way. You have

478
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: this sort of wise sage energy in Whitey, and even

479
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: though he's being threatened by Dan, he uses to spend

480
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: his time in his very ordinary way, continuing to pass

481
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: out detention slips and just walk Nathan and Haley and

482
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: detention together every day after school. I love this I

483
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: loved it. And he kicks out other boy out. He's like,

484
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: m so nobody else even got detention, is gonna is

485
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna do the time just the two of you. The

486
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: duality of him trying to do this thing that goes

487
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: so far above and beyond what a teacher's responsibilities are,

488
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, like so many teachers have been dealing with

489
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: crazy school board meetings this year. They've been dealing with

490
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: a lack of resources to deal with a pandemic, a

491
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: lack of resources like period in the classroom. There's been

492
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: so much crazy thrown at teachers. And you see a

493
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: character like Whitey where that's not his job description to

494
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: care about the relationship of these like two kids that

495
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't have even gotten married the first place. You know,

496
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: he's there to coach basketball and teach pe and be

497
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: home by five o'clock. That's it. And he does so

498
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: much more, and he's so much more involved in the community,

499
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: and he's involved in the emotional development of these kids.

500
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: And to see him defended in a school board meeting,

501
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: I hope people everywhere bring that kind of energy for

502
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: their former teachers, for their current teachers, Like teachers are

503
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: so worthy of defense, and Karen does a great job

504
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: of of hitting those notes in this episode, and you

505
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: know what, I love too. She also hits the reality

506
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: of raising kids. She says, they don't deserve anything, They've

507
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: got to earn it. That's a person who deserves better

508
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: is Whitey And I was like, God, that's good, because

509
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: it's true. They're just boys playing sports like you either

510
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: win or you don't. Grow up and get over it.

511
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: But this man has earned you are respect and your

512
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: consideration and and your empathy as a leader for your boys.

513
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: And I just, oh, she played that so beautifully. I'll

514
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: tell you that's some good advice. I think a lot

515
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: of a lot of parents myths on a lot of

516
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: this upcoming generation. I see this a lot of disrespect

517
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: for adults. There's a lot of just I guess maybe

518
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: it's the fact that social media provides a space where

519
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: you feel like your voice is important. And uh, you know,

520
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: if you're a teenager and you're um, you haven't earned

521
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: a position of respect in any way to just be

522
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: able to kind of have access to hundreds of listening years,

523
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: and it's like it's got a kind of really mess

524
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: with your sense of the place, with your place in

525
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: the world, like what have you earned and what haven't

526
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: you earned? Um? And I think it's I think that's

527
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: really good advice that Karen's giving, Like you, Yes, you exist,

528
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: and we are glad that you're on this planet. Now

529
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: earn it. Mm hmm. Yeah. I think it's like when

530
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: you think about those theories of non attachment, like when

531
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: when you say that I don't know why this is

532
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: what my brain is choosing to word vomit, but here

533
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: we are and I have your captive ears, so deal

534
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: with it, um. But it makes me think about like studying,

535
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of faiths, as all of us

536
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: have discussed a lot, like so much of the theory

537
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: of Eastern philosophy is everything is sacred and nothing matters

538
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: like it's it's every being is precious and you're just

539
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: one of many like you are you you have God

540
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: in you. And also every single thing in the universe

541
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: is one and is the same and as equal and

542
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: and I love the duality of that, recognizing that you

543
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: are precious and also that you're one of many, and

544
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: they're both true. And I think when the scales get

545
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: tipped in direction when you don't think you're worthy. It

546
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: can be damaging. And when you think the world revolves

547
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: around you, you're an asshole. Like you've got to have

548
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: some balance on the scale. And and Dan is the

549
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: kind of person who thinks he's one of one and

550
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: his son is one of one, and it's toxic. And

551
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: Karen is kind of the person tipping the scale back

552
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: in the other direction, and and you need that balance, yea.

553
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: What she's doing two ways. She she combats his whole

554
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, narrative about Whitey publicly, but then privately she's

555
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: giving advice to Nathan that is so final because she

556
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: says to him, She's like, you wanted her home, You

557
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: wanted her home more than anything in the whole wide world.

558
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: And here she is, what are you going to do

559
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: about it? Yeah? And you know, let's when you look

560
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: at like the relationship between between the two of him,

561
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: it's his dad's ex girlfriend, you know, like it's his

562
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: dad's potential Haley. You know how different would Dandy if

563
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: he'd stayed with Karen um the grounded girl, the girl

564
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: next door? Uh? Will he turn into his father if

565
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't get back with Haley? Do you know what

566
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean? Yes? It makes me mad. At Nathan, because

567
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this going you got exactly like you

568
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: asked for. This is exactly what you wanted. That's right,

569
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: everything you wanted. She's here. Now she's here. And how

570
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: is it her fault that you couldn't hold out hope

571
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: long enough that you couldn't like just hang on and honestly,

572
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: what was it like? Weeks? Like what like three months?

573
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: A couple? In a few months, Yeah, gus, I'd be

574
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: I would be a kicked hornet's nest if someone put

575
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: me through that for three months, I'd be so mad

576
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: if I was in love. I don't know, I don't know.

577
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: I think the reason I love it so much not

578
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: obviously having to have played. I love that as a viewer.

579
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: To me, they're both right. Yeah, I'm like, Nathan, what

580
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: are you doing? She's finally back? And then I'm like,

581
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: but he's really hurt and she's going to have to

582
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: prove to him she's never going to hurt him again. Like,

583
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I weirdly agree with them both, and I think that's

584
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: why we feel so invested in them as a couple,

585
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: because you you really root for them both, even when

586
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: the things you're rooting for sometimes could be painted as

587
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: opposing feelings. I'm very impatient with Nathan. I'm going to

588
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: say it because there is, because you know she loves

589
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: There is a deep peyton sawyer vein in me. And

590
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: having had so much death, right, the thing that is

591
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: just the constant drum beat in my head is you're

592
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: gonna die. You're gonna die, everyone's gonna die. We get

593
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: this much time. Why the funk are you wasting it?

594
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Don't waste A sixteen year old doesn't know that. Okay,

595
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: well here's here's a hill to come in and ruin

596
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: it for your kids. You get this much time, don't

597
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: spend it sulking, don't spend it choosing misery. You know,

598
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: it's so true. It's hard to see that when you're young.

599
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: It's really hard to see it. It feels like you

600
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: have so much more time. Yeah, and it can often

601
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: be a first big loss that right sizes your brain

602
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: about what time means. I remember having like this major

603
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: so dumb. The two of us now, even when we

604
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: think about it, are like, wow, stupid major two rams

605
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: just butting heads conflict with one of my best friends

606
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: from college, and we were both just like petulant, you know,

607
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: twenty some things in our corners, being like you apologize first, No,

608
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: you apologize first, like we were just so mad, and

609
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: then her dad died and it lit nothing mattered. I

610
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: got on a plane out of Wilmington's on the first

611
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: flight out on Saturday morning and was at her house

612
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, we can cry or we can

613
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: hit each other. I don't really give what do you need?

614
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I brought lunch, like and it was over, Like our

615
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: fight was over, and it it seemed so important four

616
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: days before. And we've never spoken of it since, you know,

617
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: other than to make fun of each other for being

618
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: stupid like we it really does. I think sometimes when

619
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: you're young, take like that emotional car crash moment to

620
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: to just readjust all those things in your brain. Yeah,

621
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: in practice takes practice, like earnestly being able to um

622
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: address things and decide what's important. When you're a kid,

623
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: you don't know how to decide what's important, Like is

624
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: the kiss between Haley and Chris Keller are important? Or

625
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: is it the tour that's important? Like being able to

626
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: pinpoint things is something that takes practice, but you have

627
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: to want to do You have to want to do

628
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: that and ority takes practice like being willing to admit

629
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: that the real thing when anytime there's a fight between

630
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: two people is that you're both kind of right and

631
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: you're both kind of wrong. Yeah, takes practice being like, yeah,

632
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: here's what I can own and I love you. Here

633
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: we are theory about Nathan right now, which is I'm

634
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: wondering if you know, part of the reason why he

635
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: was drawn to Haley was the safety of it that

636
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: she was so stable and he grew up in such

637
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: an unstable environment that there was something that was really

638
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: stable about her that he put on his own pedestal

639
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: of this is going to save me. Her stability is

640
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: going to save me. And when she decided to bail

641
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: on her own stability because she needed to go, you know,

642
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: check other things out for herself, it turned him upside

643
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: down inside out because he didn't her stability was what

644
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: he was relying on. He didn't have any of his own.

645
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: That feels like, this isn't what I bought eggs and

646
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: you gave me cheese. What am I gonna do with that?

647
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: You know? I mean that was and I picked someone

648
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: not like my mom who was always leaving, and then

649
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: you left, So no wonder their marriage was supposed to

650
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: be the opposite of Dan and Deb's marriage, and then

651
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: suddenly they were in a Dan and Deb marriage. In

652
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: his mind, I'm not saying yes, thank you, not in reality,

653
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: but to him, he's going, well, she's gone all the

654
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: time and doesn't pick up my phone calls, and I'm

655
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: becoming this bitter, angry man. So no Wonder, them inside

656
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: him is going, oh, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm

657
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: not I'm never going to do this again. And so

658
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: no Wonder he's got walls up with her. Yeah, I

659
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: mean getting it. I'm getting it. And you know what

660
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: I loved because, yeah, man, I I think I see

661
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: so much of where Nathan comes from because of what

662
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: Brooke was going through and because you know me as

663
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: Sophia sees what both Nathan and Brooke we're going through.

664
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: I loved that we got that scene in the apartment

665
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I forgot, Like I knew we had great scenes in

666
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: their Joy, but that moment for Haley and Brooke when

667
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Haley is mad and like throwing Aundrey on the bed

668
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: and it's all about the scrunches and the things, because

669
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: Brooke is just like masking, deflecting and I'm having fun.

670
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: Oh she being the party. Girl is being the party yeah,

671
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, mass um. And it was so interesting

672
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: watching us because I watched Brooks see that Haley was

673
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: having a hard time and she was like, you gotta

674
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: get on my train, come here through. I threw your

675
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: arms over my and and that line this is where

676
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: it comes from. That. I loved it. Sometimes people play

677
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: hard to get because they need to know the other

678
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: person's feelings were real. Yeah, and I'm admitting to you

679
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: that I know that's what Nathan is doing because it's

680
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, that's what you're doing it. That was

681
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: such a beautiful scene. I love Brooks like mom energy

682
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: around everybody right now. She's just stepping up and being like,

683
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: all right, listen, everybody around here needs moms. I'm gonna

684
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: do it, and I'm gonna have my phone fun on

685
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: the side. But also she's taking care of her herself.

686
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: She's taking a little taking care of the little girl

687
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: inside of herself, making sure that all the ducks are

688
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: in a row before she launches herself into another, you know,

689
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: open heart situation with a guy. But I also really

690
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: loved Lucas decorating her locker a little romantic things that

691
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: are like, I love you, I'm here, I'm going to

692
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: do all the little things for you too. It's not

693
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: just the grand sweeping gestures. You know. That was really sweet.

694
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: It was really sweet. Guys. I have been at the

695
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: butt end of all of the Brook Lucas fan base

696
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: like forever, like Peyton's worst Brooke and Lucas forever forever,

697
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: and I guess I've always just had to defend myself

698
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: so could never really just sit back and watch the

699
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: Brooke and Lucas of it all. I totally get it.

700
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: I totally totally get it. I can see why you're

701
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: frustrated with Peyton, because there is a real magic to

702
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Brooke and Lucas, and this is some cleverness that the

703
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: both of them exhibit, and they challenge each other, and

704
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: they're flirty and they're cute with each other, and they're

705
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: figuring out at the same time. You know, Brook doesn't

706
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: know how to say what she wants, Lucas doesn't really

707
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: know how to say what she wants, and they're just

708
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: kind of tiptoeing to that line. It's really fun to watch.

709
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: And the scene in the apartment where he's trying to

710
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: get you to be his like girlfriend, conlusive girlfriend, and

711
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: you're trying to just like make out something you wanted.

712
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: You've got something he wanted. It's a very cute version

713
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: of a duel. Yes, that's a perfect scene. It's perfect. Yeah.

714
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I loved it, and I love that they that they

715
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: wrote him leaving and me being so surprised. You know,

716
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: the comedy was great. And it's funny that you say that, Hillary,

717
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: because as you were saying that, I was like, oh

718
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: my god, this is how I feel because I've i

719
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: which guy's We've talked about this and we'll talk about

720
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: it forever. It doesn't make any sense to attack your

721
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: two favorite girlfriends for being the same guy's girlfriend. At

722
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: some point, Like, I've been on the on the but

723
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: end of the of the Lucas and Peyton fans for

724
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: so long that I've leaned so hard into being like, yeah,

725
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: Lucas and like Lucas and Payton are awesome. I don't

726
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: know any complaints about Lucas and Payton. I've so been

727
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: like I'm on the endgame team, leave me out of this,

728
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, this was a good Like

729
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: this was a cute on screen relationship. This was a

730
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: This was a really good teenage experience for two people

731
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: to learn about hurt and honesty and trying again and integrity,

732
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: And I get why people like it. Yeah, they're growing,

733
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, you know how

734
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: sometimes w we enter into relationships the one person is like, oh,

735
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the pillar and you can lean

736
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: on me and I'll take care of you. Brooke and

737
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Lucas are really figuring it out like together, and they're

738
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: dealing with like the stuff that's very teenage. You know.

739
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say, Kid Stepan are

740
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: doing like grown up, which isn't necessarily relatable to everyone.

741
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: But the flirty thing of like literally all I want

742
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: you to do is kiss my neck right now, and

743
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: you're making it weird. You're making a weird Yeah. And

744
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting is because Peyton for so long

745
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: was dealing with such adult things, Lucas could be his

746
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: most mature intellectual Why well no, But so many people

747
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: were like, that's real, But I think what's it's all real?

748
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: But Lucas and Brooke are in a very teenage in

749
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: a experience together, and Lucas and Peyton had these very

750
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: like deep feeling, grown up experiences together, the bonding, but

751
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: it's it's like, look, it's just experience, I smash and

752
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: so it's so it's interesting to realize, like, oh yes,

753
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: I would bet you that if you know the fans

754
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: looked inward, they would say, oh yeah, I relate to

755
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: the teenage thing, like that's my ideal film versus I

756
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: wanted the ideal adult you know, here's my thing. Well,

757
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: just respond to what they respond to. Do you think

758
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: that the younger fan base is like more attracted to

759
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: that deep, grown up emotional I'm going to hold your

760
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: hand thing, and then like older people are looking at

761
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: the fun that I wonder. I'm so happy to not

762
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: see Lucas being creepy anymore because he was so creepy

763
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: with Peyton. Remember the first season how we were like

764
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: take off. Speaking of creepy, when you start dating, you

765
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: are a creep you just are you mess up hence mouth,

766
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: hence mouth being oh he just can't rein it in.

767
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: I know, we all become stalkers when we start dating.

768
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Every We're you know, in our phone, stocking people on

769
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: their on their social media, just checking up on everyone,

770
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: calling friends and we're heartbroken. What else is he gonna do? Well? Yeah,

771
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: by the way, can you imagine if we've been in

772
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: our twenties dating with Instagram? I can't imagine. So it's

773
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: it's cute to realize that mouth having his little podcast.

774
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: It's like kind of the first space where someone could

775
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: vent inappropriately in public, where now you see people like

776
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: posting stuff about their ex is online and you're like, oh,

777
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: just don't it's a bare this later, you just don't,

778
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: don't do it. Yeah, I um. I as a fan

779
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: of the show, I'm really feeling Brooke and Lucas this

780
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: episode and the teenage stuff. I just I think I

781
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: think it's the light part of the episode and we're

782
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: dealing with so much heavy stuff. Like Dan's out of

783
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: his mind with the dastard. He's a full sociopath. He

784
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: shows up at the beach party. He like last episode,

785
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: he was like on the beach when Lucas was on

786
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: the beach, just having a run in the morning. Then

787
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: he's let the beach party, breaking a glass in his hand, which,

788
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: by the way, a huge whiskey tumbler. Breaking it in

789
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: your hand, come on. Then and then he's like showing

790
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: up ed White He's office, and he's showing up at

791
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: the gym and he's just everyone like, it must be

792
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: Paren's cafe to cafe He's I mean, he's just wandering

793
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: around all day long looking for ways to go be

794
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: an asshole. How exhausting is that? We're back to the

795
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: to the Dan Scott who like metaphorically has trackers on

796
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: everybody's carse like, how do you know where all these

797
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: people are? You're a creep? And he just he's just

798
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: creeping around town being scary. And then he chokes his child.

799
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, I couldn't believe Hillary, he palmed

800
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: your forehead and shoved you backwards by your face. Okay,

801
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: can we talk about that? You guys talk about it.

802
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: We weren't there to tell us everything. I hated it.

803
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I hated it so in the gym because any time

804
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: a fight scene has to go on for so long

805
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: that an actor in the scene can get all of

806
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: their dastardly exposition out, it looks fake because that's not

807
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: how fights work in real life. Not that I fight,

808
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: or maybe I know, but Peyton, Peyton is scrappy. She

809
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: would have come back to the Peyton and Nikki got

810
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: into a fight in season one, Like Peyton has already

811
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: been in physical altercations on this show, so we know

812
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: that she was to like pull the hair, paunch the neck,

813
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: like do the things. Yeah, And when a scene is

814
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: designed for the camera and for the lines instead of

815
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: for the intention of the scene, it doesn't work. And

816
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: so they really wanted to get that three sixty shot

817
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: of a steadicam going all the way around us while

818
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: Dan was like, you know, stopping off whatever he's doing.

819
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: But what that meant is that I was only allowed

820
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: to hold onto Paul's arm and kind of like struggle

821
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: and like quit it, Mr, you're getting slapping him in

822
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: the face, Like yeah, I would have had fingernails in

823
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: his eyeballs and in his ears and like ripping chunks

824
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: of hair while he's choking a child, you know, Chad

825
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: and his tongue hanging out of his mouth because he's

826
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be getting choked and Painte's just like quit it,

827
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: just stop it, you make You're right. The scene was

828
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: so long for her Dan's exposition that I literally had

829
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: the thought, because the camera was on that side of

830
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: his face, I go, why didn't the director let Hillary

831
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: scratch his face, slap his face, like, try to poke

832
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: him in the eyes. Like it was so strange. And

833
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: I just looked on our breakdown And I don't mean

834
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: this critically, it just is interesting to your point. It's

835
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: designed for camera. This episode is another episode directed by

836
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: Billy Dixon, who we love, but he was our DP,

837
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and so he's thinking, I want to do this circular shot.

838
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Don't block the shot. But what it does is it

839
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: suspends the belief in the fight because you're like, well,

840
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: there's a third person there, why can't I see her? Yeah,

841
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: it's a tricky line to walk. As actors. It's important

842
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: that we you know, when we show up, we have

843
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: to consider all these things and we have to speak

844
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: up and say this. I'm I mean, I know I

845
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: say this a lot on sets, but I'll get to

846
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: set and we'll still blocking something and I'm like, this

847
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, and here's all the reasons why. And

848
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: then the DP and the director and you know, the

849
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: a D. Everybody's like, oh gods, again, it's going to

850
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: take longer or the worst. But I'm like, but it's

851
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: not gonna be believable. Do you want it to look

852
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: like ship or do you want people to actually believe

853
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: the story. What do you want? And for me too,

854
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: I am such a people pleaser that it is so

855
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: much harder for me to say I don't like your

856
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: idea to someone who I really love, you know, like

857
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: I and like, it's not like he was going to

858
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: leave our show and go away, you know, like he

859
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: was going to go back to being DP the next episode,

860
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: and so I couldn't um I like him. I'm not

861
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: going to tell him I think your shots dumb. Not

862
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: everybody has great ideas all the time. It's okay, Like

863
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: even the best people have dumb ideas. Sometimes, you know,

864
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: you have to try him and see if it works.

865
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: This scene didn't do it for me. Twenty years later,

866
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm still like, Goad, I should have that, should have does.

867
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: What's also tricky is sometimes you have a feeling you're

868
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: going I should be hitting him, and they're going, no,

869
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: it looks great on camera, yeah, and we didn't see it,

870
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh man, you know, every people have

871
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: different beliefs in what makes something great. And I think

872
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: for us, we're obviously watching this show as actors, going yeah,

873
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: but you would have slapped him. But it's like you're

874
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: going on, but my face is going to be on

875
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: the camp, Like nobody's going to be looking at anything

876
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: except my face. And if you put me in a

877
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: position where I look dumb because I can't sell the

878
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: scene because the camera is doing something that's inhibiting my

879
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: ability to do a good job, then I look dumb.

880
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I'm the one that

881
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: looks dumb. So yeah, it's hard. I just want to

882
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: hear you say that to a director. I'm the one

883
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: who looks dumb. Mr. I'm just so confused about some

884
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: of the adulating in this episode because okay, um, when

885
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: there is an arson and you know, like Dan's flipping

886
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: through this arson report, there would be an investigation and

887
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: there would be people like constantly at the site and

888
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: like digging into Dan's life. Luke, who would want to

889
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: kill you? They would be the ones questioning Karen like

890
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: there's zero police presence around this major crime. That's a

891
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: major crime. Yeah. The other thing is Peyton's dad is

892
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: finally home. They have this like lovely little heart to heart,

893
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: but then she doesn't tell them that her ex boyfriend's

894
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: dad just like face palmed her like that that's something

895
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: that you tell your mom and dad like I was

896
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: physically assaulted by an adult today. The choking and like,

897
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, almost watching your ex boyfriend slash really good friend,

898
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: like almost die in front of you, and the adrenaline

899
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: of trying to stop that from happening. You wouldn't just

900
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: go home and be like, I'm gonna go sit and

901
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: watch traffic lights for a while. Man, I just really

902
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: need to what do we do? Take a load off?

903
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it isn't a ten did murder? Like? Dan's

904
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: mad that someone tried to murder him, so then he

905
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: tried to murder someone to make up for it. It's

906
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: very insane. This you too creepy? Yeah, I don't like it, Sam,

907
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: do better, Do better? Guys, this was a shocked full episode.

908
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: There was so much stuff what we missed. I can't.

909
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: Can we end on a high note because I know

910
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: we have a lot to say about Dan that's negative

911
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: because he's being a sociopath, so it's warranted. But guys,

912
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: when not a surf kicks in at the end and

913
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: always love started, Oh my god, it made my heart

914
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: explode and over you guys putting your new predictions in

915
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: for the first time, you did on the first day

916
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: of school instead of before, and everyone just like really

917
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: digging into their feelings and and learning to express That's song.

918
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel it in my bones. It makes

919
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: me so happy. We're growing from Bree Brian Greenberg. If

920
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: Brian Greenberg never left the show, do you think Jake

921
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: and Peyton would have been endgame? I do? Do you do? Yeah?

922
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: I do? Because the chemistry was so strong. I mean,

923
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. You think they were so

924
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: committed to the Peyton and Lucas I think, yeah, I

925
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: just don't know. There's so much about Peyton that made

926
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: sense to me as a kid that was like, no,

927
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: she wants to be with Luke. That's who, you know,

928
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: was the first person that like called her bluff, you know,

929
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: because before then she was just a cheerleader and Dayton

930
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: basketball player and everybody just went with it. And he

931
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: was the first one that was like, you're miserable, um,

932
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: And so I unders down that, and then I also

933
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: understand like Peyton wanting to have a family with Jake

934
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: because it's what she always wanted, and she gets to

935
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: kind of buy into this instant thing. I don't know,

936
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: there's a lone wolf quality to Peyton that I don't

937
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: know will ever fully be end game with anyone. Is

938
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: that to say she's very Joe March. She's very Joe March.

939
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: There's a quality, That's what I mean. There's a thing

940
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: about you know with Joe from Little Women like if yeah,

941
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: when you when you read Little Women and you you

942
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: get to know Joe and you want her so badly

943
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: to be with Lorie because of the young romance and

944
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: it's so exciting. But there is something that does make

945
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: sense about her in the end ending up with this

946
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: professor who's older and she's known for a long time,

947
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: and there's a piece there where he gives her the

948
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: space to just completely be herself in her own world.

949
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: They have a partnership. It's not a wild, passionate romp

950
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: all the time, but there is a maturity and a

951
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: and a camaraderie companionship there that that's something I could

952
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: see for Peyton down the line. That wasn't something where

953
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: she gets to be fully herself, fully independent, fully that

954
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: lone wolf, but also having a partner who appreciates that

955
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: nears her dad relationship where she's got this person who

956
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 1: loves her so much and it is totally hands off.

957
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: You know. There's so much codependence on our show that

958
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: I sometimes worry about romanticizing that. Um And yeah, me too.

959
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: You know what, though, I guess perhaps as our characters

960
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: got older and we did the time jump, that was

961
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: the thing I leaned into as a viewer, like a reader,

962
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: an observer or whatever, because we obviously didn't see all

963
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: the episodes, but we read them. Um. I think the

964
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: thing that I really connected with Peyton and Lucas was

965
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: that kind of energy. Writers are often solitary people. They

966
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: have to go away, they have to write, they have

967
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: to be isolated, and and Lucas was a quieter character,

968
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 1: and so I think just emotionally, as we got older, Yeah,

969
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: so many of our scenes did get very codependent. Everything

970
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: was about the rolls and the feelings for all and

971
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: not just you guys. But I think, like in my

972
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: imagination of the ways our characters lived their lives, like

973
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis did work in groups very often. She might

974
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: sketch up late at night alone, but like she worked

975
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: with teams and did things. And I always envisioned like

976
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: Peyton working in the studio and Lucas working in his

977
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: little office or in the window with the computer, Like

978
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: I saw these two solitary creatives coexisting and maybe that's why. Yeah, yeah,

979
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: are we spending a wheel? It's spin a wheel. Most

980
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: guys get nerves sometimes when we start telling stories, and

981
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: then I start to be like, I can't really just

982
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: openly talk. I have to couch this in some mystery.

983
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh man, what am I even saying?

984
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: I should just stop talking? You know what, life is short.

985
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: And also there's a part of me that really believes

986
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: that that's that quote. That's like I have to find it.

987
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: But it's basically like, if people didn't want you own

988
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: your own ship, you own your ship. If somebody did

989
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: something horrible to you, it's that's an experience that you

990
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: had and you wanted to speak treated you better. They

991
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: should have treated you better. That's so much better. Yeah,

992
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: that's what I went meant to say. That's the one

993
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I like that. Guys, we have a we have a

994
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: winner of the wheel and this week's oh my god,

995
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: this is actually insane. This week's wheel says who's most

996
01:00:50,640 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: likely to be a drama queen? I mean, okay, on

997
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: the most likely I mean mouth is probably being a

998
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: very big drama queen. I think the biggest drama queen

999
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: of all though, is Dan Scott. I just cannot even

1000
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: with the addicted to drama it is. He loves in

1001
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: to a room without saying something absurd. It's yeah, yeah,

1002
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: he should be on Real Housewives of who cares like

1003
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Real Housewives or whatever. But he's got tree Hill. Yeah,

1004
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: he's got strong real housewife energy, the new iteration of

1005
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: tree Hill. There's got to be like it's all Housewives

1006
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: and like Dan Scott love that if he hadn't died

1007
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: in real life, I'm here for if we had to

1008
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: pick an actress from any other team drama that we

1009
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: would want to be like an honorary drama queen in

1010
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: real life. Carrie Russell, you love God, such a girl.

1011
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: Crush on her? Yeah, yeah, I love her. I'm going

1012
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: Kelly Copowski, Tiffany Evertheson, she is forever drama queen. She's

1013
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: so wonderful. Yeah, yeah, she was a good I mean yeah,

1014
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: both of them need to come on the show. I'd also, man,

1015
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: I'd love for Michelle Williams. Oh my god, I just

1016
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: love her. I love her in her little pixie cut,

1017
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: and I want to talk to her about making movies

1018
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: and also about Wilmington's but we all end all Queen

1019
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: Drama Queen Sally Field, Oh my god, the best crier

1020
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: on television Icon Sally Field. That the original teen queen.

1021
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: She was Gidget. That's right, guys, she's had the longest

1022
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: career like anybody on the planet. I think let's get

1023
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: Sally Field on the podcast. My god, would I would die? Okay?

1024
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: Are we ready for that? Okay, love you guys, Thank you.

1025
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: Come back next week. The next episode is season three

1026
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: episode for an attempt to tip the scales. I can't

1027
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: wait to see you soon by see you next week. Hey,

1028
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,600
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