Speaker 1: Second down and seven passes high in the air and picked.
Speaker 1: Simon is back there to grab it out of the
Speaker 1: air and an early takeaway for this Patriots defense. This
Speaker 1: one blocked out of the air into the end zone
Speaker 1: for the touchdown. It's the rookie twin a bitch now
Speaker 1: we like Paion. They fake it to him. Good protection
Speaker 1: of this one is hitting the air and picked off,
Speaker 1: intercepted by darn Harmon. Looked like that ball was tipped
Speaker 1: and Harmon out of bounds near the twenty's lacrosse back
Speaker 1: in there for New England. Handout to Bolden for the touchdown.
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle checks in, Brady takes prows ahead. He's got
Speaker 1: it for the touchdowns. Passages pick five Gilmore and that
Speaker 1: is number three for Daniel Jones. Jones fort hill of
Speaker 1: it up, dirt down ball comes out picked up by
Speaker 1: the Patriots in van Noy times Kyle van Noy scoring
Speaker 1: the Patriots second touchdown from defense and special teams on
Speaker 1: the night, salting away a win over the Giants, a
Speaker 1: score that is kind of misleading. It was closer and
Speaker 1: also a bigger blowout than we expected, and it was
Speaker 1: a weird game in many ways. The Patriots defense committing
Speaker 1: or getting four takeaways off of the Giants scoring fourteen points.
Speaker 1: And really, you know, this game went into halftime pretty close.
Speaker 1: It was a one score game going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: And yet the Patriots, who remained undefeated, still look like
Speaker 1: the creamy the DFC. The Giants, Uh, they are who
Speaker 1: we thought they were. Daniel Jones, a rookie quarterback making
Speaker 1: his first starting prime time against Bill Belichick, played how
Speaker 1: we expected. Uh, you know, it started out odd, but
Speaker 1: I think the result is what we expected. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was exactly what I expected. I tweeted this out. By
Speaker 1: the way, Uh, Jeremy doing the A t N Thursday.
Speaker 1: That's right, we have to introduce our introduce. These are
Speaker 1: voices you are not used to hearing. Yeah, um, Eddie
Speaker 1: Spaghetti here crossing over from DDFP and Fantasy now doing
Speaker 1: the A t N recap because the heroes are over
Speaker 1: in London having a great time. And I believe today
Speaker 1: also is Mark Cecil's birthday. Saw birthday, Mark, Happy birthday? Mark?
Speaker 1: You are they're probably sleeping right now, they're not out
Speaker 1: and about probably not what time would you be there?
Speaker 1: We're doing this around like I think this is an
Speaker 1: eight hour time difference. I I don't really know. They've
Speaker 1: been busy with doing shoes. I've been seeing all their
Speaker 1: stuff on social media. They put out a pot today.
Speaker 1: Um working hard. I know they are, and I hope
Speaker 1: they're having fun frist crossing the city. But yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: four team. My pregame tweeter, I said thirteen. I said
Speaker 1: that Darius Slay would have a big game. It was
Speaker 1: Golden Tape with the biggest game. Although Slaton did have
Speaker 1: targets as we're talking about off their before we started.
Speaker 1: Uh defense, I said, Golden have a good game. He did. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Lonza Carla good Jack Crab made a couple
Speaker 1: of good players, a couple of bone headed plays, just
Speaker 1: sloppy penalties again, which is carrying more from last week
Speaker 1: from the Vikings game, and uh and then yeah, you
Speaker 1: have a rookie quarterback going into Foxboro where Belichick has
Speaker 1: never lost at home with facing a rookie quarterback. So
Speaker 1: I kind of knew what this game was getting into.
Speaker 1: But from the start it didn't it didn't feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, this game is not going to be the
Speaker 1: Patriots going down the field and the Giants looking at
Speaker 1: napped and they kind of scorn and it will be
Speaker 1: over by the end of the first quarter. It was
Speaker 1: like a really wonky star the wind and like a
Speaker 1: couple of guys are heard in the Patriots squad. Obviously
Speaker 1: Gihnts had a lot of injuries themselves, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this maybe a sloppy game, that weird SUPs gonna happen.
Speaker 1: A lot of weird stuff did happen, that's right. It
Speaker 1: started out. Everybody was talking about the Giants coming into
Speaker 1: the game. You don't have Sa Kwan, you don't have Gallman,
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, Sterling Separd. Who is Daniel Jones supposed to
Speaker 1: throw to get the ball to against a defense that
Speaker 1: is taking the ball away from everybody Jameis Winston Kirk, uh,
Speaker 1: everybody that they've played against, and uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't start well for the Patriots. Tom Brady moved the
Speaker 1: ball up and down the field, but they went for
Speaker 1: fourth on the on an early drive. They didn't get it.
Speaker 1: The Giants moving the ball as well, but punt it
Speaker 1: right back. But when the Giants pumped the ball back
Speaker 1: in their own zone, big play from the Patriots special
Speaker 1: teams block block punt Chase Winovich, of all people, the best,
Speaker 1: arguably the best player Patriots player from Michigan on the
Speaker 1: field tonight. Not not Tom Brady, Chase Winovich. Uh receives
Speaker 1: the pump block touchdown, runs it into the end zone,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, if you're somebody who owns the
Speaker 1: Patriots and fantasy, this is you know, this is what
Speaker 1: you want. The defense special teams four turnovers again and
Speaker 1: the pump block return. So that's pretty much five turnovers. Uh,
Speaker 1: And that's how that's how it got started. But then
Speaker 1: pretty much the Patriots score again. But Daniel Jones, who
Speaker 1: struggled mostly in this game throwing tight window passes as
Speaker 1: he is wont to do, has been doing it at
Speaker 1: a great higher than any other quarterback in the league. Um,
Speaker 1: finally breaks went open on uh the Golden Tate a
Speaker 1: sixty four yard touchdown pass. With the Patriots at fourteen nothing,
Speaker 1: we think that the Giants are lost in this game.
Speaker 1: Breaks it out to Golden Tate over Jonathan Jones, and
Speaker 1: suddenly the Giants are back in this And then almost
Speaker 1: on the very next drive, Marcus Golden shows up and
Speaker 1: attacks the Patriots left side. Ryan Izzo is protecting Marshall Newhouse,
Speaker 1: who's a fill in on the left strip, sacks Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: You don't see that very often, and Marcus Golden uh
Speaker 1: takes it. Yeah, a couple of points to make to
Speaker 1: go back to the we're recapping here and the beginning
Speaker 1: of the game when they stopped him, it was like
Speaker 1: a third down stop and a fourth down stop, and
Speaker 1: then you know Golden gets the sack and an early
Speaker 1: part of the game. And now I'm thinking to myself, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this defense the Giant Stevens actually came to play there. Here,
Speaker 1: they showed up. This defense has been much better since
Speaker 1: the second half of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gamehere they
Speaker 1: obviously came back and win on my game. And I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself like, oh, man, like, only if sake
Speaker 1: I was playing, and only if Evan Ingra was playing,
Speaker 1: and only if Stirling Sharp was playing, you have give
Speaker 1: him a uh some kind of safety blanket. Like in
Speaker 1: my head, I'm like, Okay, well, you can cancel out
Speaker 1: either Slating nor Golden Tate because Stephon Gilmore, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is probably the best cover corner, if not a defensive MVP.
Speaker 1: Stuff on. Gilmore had to pick in this game and
Speaker 1: also five passes defense. Yeah, I mean, he's he's insane,
Speaker 1: He's I mean, I'm shocked that Jones even wanted to
Speaker 1: throw in his direction. So very confident Jones, I mean,
Speaker 1: he you see it on a lot of these, way
Speaker 1: too confident for a rookie. But you can see that
Speaker 1: he wanted he wants to take chances, and that was
Speaker 1: evident in a lot of the passes attempted toward Gilmore.
Speaker 1: He had an insane amount of passes there were with
Speaker 1: like less than a yard of room, and I think
Speaker 1: he only completed the touchdown you mentioned the Tate and
Speaker 1: one of the past that was completed over ten yards
Speaker 1: so early on two because with the defense playing that
Speaker 1: great and they're just doing these like dink and dunk
Speaker 1: little screens with Jones, he's not taking shots down field.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're you're you You're getting to Brady,
Speaker 1: You're stopping their run, and they're like, Josh, Gordon is
Speaker 1: all banged up, he's not he's not playing. So you
Speaker 1: had the chance to strike and they were in striking
Speaker 1: distance and then all of a sudden, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the two straight scores is fourteen fourteen, and now it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have a ball game. This is not not what
Speaker 1: I expected whatsoever. I thought They're gonna be out of
Speaker 1: this game literally within a couple of minutes, and Brady
Speaker 1: would look great and whatever. And I got to the
Speaker 1: point where Brady wasn't making plays. The Giants were making plays,
Speaker 1: i know, defensively, and I'm like, is this is the
Speaker 1: Patriots team twenty nineteen or they like a replica of
Speaker 1: the two thousand Baltimore Ravens. Like in my head, I
Speaker 1: was going to say that I was going to tweet
Speaker 1: that out and get eating Alive on on Twitter, and
Speaker 1: luckily I did not do that because I mean, he
Speaker 1: ended up with a pretty good game overall time. Brady
Speaker 1: not to go light at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: but he yeah, I mean, right after the Marcus Golden
Speaker 1: uh funnal return, you see Belichick, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: shaking his head, rubbing his eyes on the sideline. The
Speaker 1: Patriots still had four minutes left in the half, and
Speaker 1: they embark on probably I mean, obviously they're probably their
Speaker 1: driver of the game. A level play drive took four minutes,
Speaker 1: and they eventually scored on a Tom Brady uh t
Speaker 1: D run, which is you know what you get QB
Speaker 1: sneak from Tom Brady. This was the first game, interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady had a T D run, didn't throw
Speaker 1: a touchdown through a pick, and also fumbled. It was
Speaker 1: a very odd game from him. He was short a
Speaker 1: lot of weapons today. He came in without Rex Burkhead,
Speaker 1: without Philip Dorset uh. And then pretty much halfway through
Speaker 1: the game, Josh Gordon goes out with a knee injury,
Speaker 1: but he suffers on the return of Marcus Golden uh
Speaker 1: into the end zone. And so by the end of
Speaker 1: the game, Brady is playing with h mix of James
Speaker 1: White and Sony Michelle Edelman. But then you're also playing
Speaker 1: with Jacobe Myers, Gunner, oh Osholski Oslowski, I don't really
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce his name, from the Midge State
Speaker 1: who played like about fifty snaps and uh and Ryan
Speaker 1: Iszos your tight end? I mean they were talking earlier
Speaker 1: in the game because Crafts said something that NFL Network
Speaker 1: about how you know Gronk hasn't signed his retirement papers yet,
Speaker 1: and Rob Gronkowski showed up on the Fox pregame show.
Speaker 1: They asked him about whether he was thinking about coming
Speaker 1: out of retirement, and he said, only when I really
Speaker 1: feel it. But I'm keeping the door open. When you
Speaker 1: see a game like this where a lot of the
Speaker 1: weapons go out, you cut Ben Watson this week, maybe
Speaker 1: you think about trying to bring Gronk back in. I
Speaker 1: know he looked like he was having a great time
Speaker 1: with stray Hand and the guys on that the Fox
Speaker 1: UH halftime set. But the Patriots really they lost a
Speaker 1: lot of guys today. And this I mean and Brady,
Speaker 1: I mean, they moved the ball after the half. They
Speaker 1: right out of the half, they went on a six
Speaker 1: team play drive UH over took over nine minutes, and
Speaker 1: then there was a missed field goal, and then they
Speaker 1: went on another nine play drive UH turnover on downs
Speaker 1: because they don't trust Mike Nugent, as they should not
Speaker 1: trust Mike Nugent. At this point, and this was a
Speaker 1: one score game into the fourth quarter, Daniel Jones had
Speaker 1: the ball down seven points and if he had somebody
Speaker 1: like say Kwon, like Sterling Shepard, maybe they couldn't moved
Speaker 1: the ball. He needed on safety blank because like I
Speaker 1: said before, Stefan Gilman, who in the second half had
Speaker 1: a pick on a drive. The Giants wore moving the ball,
Speaker 1: which was a total momentum killer. And yeah, if he
Speaker 1: had a safety blank, if you had Evan Ingram, who's
Speaker 1: a mismatch night are if you have sae Quon Barkley
Speaker 1: and can i the They were running the ball with
Speaker 1: Hillman up the gut so many times in her own
Speaker 1: it's like I wanted to scream that it's not working,
Speaker 1: Like it's just not gonna work. It. It was giving
Speaker 1: me PTSD back when like Kevin gilbrid was avience a
Speaker 1: coordinating they would do like the third and nine Eli
Speaker 1: draw plays and it's just like, stop pounding, this is
Speaker 1: not gonna work. First of all, you have a larger
Speaker 1: Penny in the roster, use him the shortge anyway over Hillman.
Speaker 1: I mean that shows you the difference of Sa Kwan
Speaker 1: Barkley versus whoever, because sake and will bounce it outside,
Speaker 1: he will make a play. He's more dynamic in the
Speaker 1: passing game because Jones were just forcing I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was the wind or it was just because
Speaker 1: that was the only thing the Patriots were giving him
Speaker 1: on defense was to just dump the ball off to
Speaker 1: your running back. On let to make a play. Well,
Speaker 1: me and you both know that. You know they're not
Speaker 1: Hellman or Penny are not going to make the places
Speaker 1: at stake Quan or even to an extent, having Wayne
Speaker 1: Goldman is a little bit more of an upgrade um
Speaker 1: over those two guys who played today. So that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that really hurt the James. A shame that
Speaker 1: Sa Kwan didn't get to play. Belichick, you know, Belichick
Speaker 1: has these guys that he really enjoys ever read guys
Speaker 1: like that Sa Kwan. He was I love talking talking
Speaker 1: lovingly about sa Kwan earlier in the week, saying, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's really nothing wrong with him as a running back,
Speaker 1: and you know they're glad that they're not playing him.
Speaker 1: And with a defense like the Patriots have where there's
Speaker 1: no shining star, but everybody contributes. The secondary can shut
Speaker 1: teams down, can shut Cody Lattimer down or Darius Slayton down,
Speaker 1: you really need somebody like sa Kwan, somebody to carry
Speaker 1: the ball, touch the ball five times. It was a
Speaker 1: shame that he couldn't get back from the ankle injury
Speaker 1: by the time this game kicked off. But again they
Speaker 1: had the ball with eight minutes, just over eight minutes
Speaker 1: to go in the fourth quarter, uh Jones gets blitzed
Speaker 1: from Dron Harmon dumps it down to Hillaman and you
Speaker 1: know the play of the game that you heard at
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast, uh strip sacked by Jamie
Speaker 1: Collins who's having a great year and picked up by
Speaker 1: Kyle van Noy after a scrum runs it in and
Speaker 1: from there they really didn't have a chance. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: the offensive line, a lot of people were saying on
Speaker 1: social media was reading this offensive line is a lot better,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to just reply to everyone, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot better than was last year. Last year
Speaker 1: you were you know, it was Will Herndon is his
Speaker 1: rookie year, and Solder and him didn't have the chemistry,
Speaker 1: and the lest side of the line and how Appia
Speaker 1: was injured and the right side the line was a mess.
Speaker 1: And obviously now with the trade, the trading away Olivia
Speaker 1: Vernon getting in Kevin's Eisler and then having a Ramors
Speaker 1: play right tackle, and Will Harndon is becoming a pretty
Speaker 1: good left guard and obviously Halloo, it's it's a much
Speaker 1: better unit that being said last week versus the Vikings.
Speaker 1: The Vikings had their way with them. So there they
Speaker 1: are starting to crack a little bit. And I expected
Speaker 1: the same from this Patriot's defense because one of the
Speaker 1: best defenses is that you've seen in recent memory. Um.
Speaker 1: And then that goes back to what you were saying
Speaker 1: too about you know, not having the safety blanking out,
Speaker 1: having se kwon that force that was forcing Dalia Jones
Speaker 1: to make these tight window throws. And he had three
Speaker 1: interceptions in this game. Eli had three interceptions, and I
Speaker 1: think his career verse the Patriots over like it was
Speaker 1: like five games or whatever it was, including the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, it's a really really bad game
Speaker 1: from someone who felt like he had to do more.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't running the ball. He wasn't scrambling as
Speaker 1: much as he had a couple of scrambles, but none
Speaker 1: that really moved the ball move on chains, no, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I saw some mobility in the pocket, but
Speaker 1: other than that, And look, I mean it's it's a
Speaker 1: combination of him being a rookie and the Patriots being
Speaker 1: really really good, Like they're just a really good defense.
Speaker 1: They're really good team. The defense they were coached well,
Speaker 1: like the Giants office line is not the best. The
Speaker 1: Giants were out, were without their best offensive weapons, literally
Speaker 1: their best receiver, at their best tight end, and their
Speaker 1: best running back who maybe the best ending back in
Speaker 1: the league. And you're throwing a rookie quarterback into fox
Speaker 1: row again, like I reiterating, it's it's just not a
Speaker 1: recipe you it's a recipe for his ass. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're getting into with this game. But
Speaker 1: that's why it's staying so much that they were one
Speaker 1: score where they were tied at one point, they were
Speaker 1: obviously one score away going into the fourth quarter, like
Speaker 1: they actually could have won this game, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's a classic Patriots game. And then just like bleeding
Speaker 1: you out slowly and so you know what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna just you know, control the clock. Eventually
Speaker 1: they're going in the field and score. And that's where
Speaker 1: they had, you know, the easy touchdowns. The bolden Brady
Speaker 1: had two rushing touchdowns himself. And I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of passes in the second half of the game,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm Manny, you probably have the SATs
Speaker 1: how many uh offensive players the Patriots had versus Giants defense. Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that the Patriots ended the game
Speaker 1: and this was kind of like how the Colts beat
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, except I wouldn't called Daniel Jones Patrick mahomeshots point.
Speaker 1: The Patriots finished the game with thirty nine minutes of
Speaker 1: time of possession. I mean even just gassed. I mean
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense, uh, you know, move the ball well,
Speaker 1: but they also didn't finish. But the Giants had no
Speaker 1: chance afterward. You know, the defense is gassed and then
Speaker 1: you just keep going down and by the time that
Speaker 1: the final defensive touchdown came, Jihants couldn't move the ball
Speaker 1: and then the Patriots come right back down to make
Speaker 1: it a three score game. And it's exactly what it
Speaker 1: felt like in the second half. It was. It was
Speaker 1: the Giants defense was just gassed. They were doing everything
Speaker 1: they possibly could with a bunch of back obviously missing,
Speaker 1: like guys a linebacker and the defensive backfields and mess.
Speaker 1: Uh it's just it's a it's a really tough year.
Speaker 1: And they say they somehow figured how to stop or
Speaker 1: at least slow down the pages for a bit, But
Speaker 1: once you got to the like the lates, I can have.
Speaker 1: I felt there were so many receptions by the Patriots
Speaker 1: players they were there were just like no guys near them,
Speaker 1: like no one was being covered. Like you have these
Speaker 1: backup slot guys coming in and back like tight ends
Speaker 1: and like guys who no one across the country even
Speaker 1: knows their names, and they're just catching balls. There's no
Speaker 1: defender within seven yards in a circle of them. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's gonna happen when you're on the
Speaker 1: field for that long and you're offense not moving the ball,
Speaker 1: because then when the offenses, uh, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: score points, it's just like around the middle, around the middle,
Speaker 1: and then some kind of like week third down little
Speaker 1: pass behind a lones scrimmage to a running back and
Speaker 1: it's not going anywhere, and like they were not taking shots.
Speaker 1: Like I said before, Jones didn't completely Like we had
Speaker 1: two passes there were longer than ten yards. Like that's
Speaker 1: not gonna win you ball games with the Patriots in Foxborough. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we should have expected with the
Speaker 1: Giants coming in here the Patriots defense, and maybe this
Speaker 1: is a good transition into what we expect from both
Speaker 1: of these teams going forward. The Patriots defense UH through
Speaker 1: six games have sixteen turnovers, sixteen takeaways, fourteen interceptions. No
Speaker 1: other team in the league has more than seven, so
Speaker 1: that's double. They have a plus one two point differential.
Speaker 1: They get the Jets next week on Monday Night Football,
Speaker 1: so we think that maybe they can go into uh
Speaker 1: the week eight UH at seven and oh, but then
Speaker 1: the Patriots face of pretty uh pretty Staunt Gauntlet, Browns, Ravens, Eagles, Cowboys, Texans,
Speaker 1: Chiefs with a buy somewhere in there? You know, people
Speaker 1: are you know they were talking about earlier before the game.
Speaker 1: Can we compare this defense to the Bears UH of
Speaker 1: eighty five or the Ravens of two thousand. We're looking
Speaker 1: at the early season competition, and by the end of
Speaker 1: this game, their competition has a record of seven and
Speaker 1: twenty two by my account. You know, how are you
Speaker 1: supposed to judge them when they're beating up Luke Falk
Speaker 1: and Ryan Fitzpatrick and Daniel Jones on the road at
Speaker 1: home on a short week. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I think the turnovers tell a different story. I think
Speaker 1: that the fact that they are blowing teams that they
Speaker 1: should blow out. I mean, they it doesn't look pretty,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they won by
Speaker 1: three scores when they weren't playing their best, and I
Speaker 1: think that suits them well going into these games against
Speaker 1: also young quarterbacks like Sam Donald, Baker, Mayfield, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: h Carson and Dak who have history, DeShawn Watson and
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. These are all young quarterbacks schemed going against
Speaker 1: the defense scheme by Bill Belichick, who should probably um,
Speaker 1: you know, ruin their days a bit. A few questions
Speaker 1: about that. Well, first of all, I'll go with their schedule.
Speaker 1: I know you said like it's like you called it
Speaker 1: a gauntlet, but I think it's a gauntlet the Browns, Ravens, Eagles, Uh, Cowboys, Texans, Chiefs,
Speaker 1: and I'm obviously then it gets really easy. It's like
Speaker 1: a singular commercial. Just keep the bars keep going up.
Speaker 1: But in reality, how many games of those do you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna lose? Because I'm looking on like Cleveland's
Speaker 1: mass they're gonna be Cleveland, Baltimore's come back down to
Speaker 1: the right, They're not as good as we all thought.
Speaker 1: They're gonna beat them between if you want to say
Speaker 1: they'll split between the NFC East teams, the better NFC
Speaker 1: East teams and the Eagles and Dallas all right, I
Speaker 1: mean Dallas lately has looked whatever. But I think they're
Speaker 1: a good squad team. I think goes where um the Eagles, Houston.
Speaker 1: I don't trust Houston it ever to ever beat the Patriots,
Speaker 1: like in the history of mankind, that will never happen.
Speaker 1: And then the one game that everyone wants to see
Speaker 1: is then versus the Chiefs. That will be interesting game.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, it is. It's a gauntlet in
Speaker 1: terms of it's you're not playing Luke Falk, You're not
Speaker 1: playing the Dolphins, You're not playing the red Skins, you know,
Speaker 1: or the I guess the Giants at this point. But oh,
Speaker 1: don't put don't put yourself. I know, I know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm being very self deprecating. But the but I
Speaker 1: still think they're gonna come out. Maybe I can't see
Speaker 1: them losing more than two games that I don't even
Speaker 1: think they would lose too, maybe one at worst. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's not you know, it's not a problem with
Speaker 1: the Patriots lose one or two games. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: really only competing with the Chiefs for the top seed
Speaker 1: in the chief see maybe the Bills, but you don't
Speaker 1: expect the Bills to you know, be anymore than a
Speaker 1: wild card threat there. Uh, you know, the question is
Speaker 1: can they go and defeated because people want to crown
Speaker 1: this team as a all time great defense and the
Speaker 1: offense is not picking it up. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries on the offensive side of the ball. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if the offensive line situation is as solid
Speaker 1: as they prefer. The tight end situation the same way.
Speaker 1: The running game today was not Son of Michelle's best.
Speaker 1: They couldn't really establish the run um. You know. That's
Speaker 1: what you know, that's what you want to see out
Speaker 1: of the Patriots. You're expecting great things. Uh, you're expecting
Speaker 1: maybe an undefeated season or something close to it. And
Speaker 1: so that's why it's gonna be interesting because they really
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how the NFL schedule gods
Speaker 1: did this. They split it into pretty much like you know,
Speaker 1: Sam Houston State for six straight weeks and then you're
Speaker 1: going right into the Auburn game. If you're you know,
Speaker 1: to compare it to Alabama exactly. Yeah, you're scheduling those
Speaker 1: cupcakes and you they the schools. You have to pay
Speaker 1: the school to come play, you eat. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: really what it is. And it's just so weird too
Speaker 1: that this Patriots team is. They're just so they adapt
Speaker 1: to what they have to like to become. Because right
Speaker 1: now Tom Brady, I mean, he had statistically was an
Speaker 1: okay game like thirty four. He did have the pick um,
Speaker 1: but it looks good at the end. But during the game,
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, oh man, he's gonna pick us apart.
Speaker 1: I lost that feeling that about time Brady that he's
Speaker 1: going to I shouldn't shouldn't say he'll he could win
Speaker 1: you games, but I don't fear him like I maybe
Speaker 1: used to, or someone like Pat Mahomes who's gonna just
Speaker 1: close his eyes and sling the ball six yards, Like
Speaker 1: I just Tombody will not do that anymore. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to, you though, because the defense is elite or
Speaker 1: whatever is there's a better term than elite, because they're
Speaker 1: by themselves right now. And then you have you know,
Speaker 1: you have four or five running backs who could suably
Speaker 1: just come in and get on yards in the ground
Speaker 1: and catch a bunch of passes. So like they don't
Speaker 1: need Brady to be this amazing superhero at quarterback. They
Speaker 1: have a great ground game, they have a great defense,
Speaker 1: and that's enough, and he could be an elite game
Speaker 1: manager and figure out how to beat these teams because
Speaker 1: they're just that much smarter, that they're that much more
Speaker 1: well prepared than the thirty one other teams in this league.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I think it's amazing. We're calling future Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame or forty two year old likely all Pro
Speaker 1: Tom Brady a game that's that's okay, and and not
Speaker 1: not just a game. He is the elite game. He
Speaker 1: is the game managers of game managers. He's the he's
Speaker 1: the change, he's the branch manager. He's he's as good
Speaker 1: as a continent. And like I said, I'm not shocked
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be getting I mean he look, he
Speaker 1: just he threw yeah, thirty one completions through for over
Speaker 1: three yards Firth the Giants, Uh, you know, only seven
Speaker 1: first downs, forty almost forty minutes of time of possession.
Speaker 1: I mean that this is how you defeat And that's me.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not just about his numbers and his stats.
Speaker 1: He I think that he knows he's calling the right place,
Speaker 1: he knows to do. Him and Belichick together, they're gonna
Speaker 1: do what they have to do to win game. That's
Speaker 1: why I don't know. He doesn't have to be a superhero.
Speaker 1: He could be this. He could be what he is
Speaker 1: right now at forty two. And he's going to be
Speaker 1: limited physically because of his age and and but that's okay. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're one making certain like you mentioned, is like the
Speaker 1: evins of line. If you don't want to see Tom
Speaker 1: Brady at this age with a bad offensive line him
Speaker 1: scrambling around, because then that's gonna change everything about this team.
Speaker 1: The one thing they need to do is to run
Speaker 1: the ball consistently into at least uh get get these
Speaker 1: running backs the catches out of the backfield. You can't
Speaker 1: do that if you have uh, you know, Marshall new
Speaker 1: House playing left tackle and needing the tight end to
Speaker 1: constantly help, you know, Chip block him for an entire game.
Speaker 1: That's just not gonna help you at all. And fail
Speaker 1: to do so. Lorenzo Carter, so yeah, he got hit
Speaker 1: six times, sacked three times. The Patriots I think will
Speaker 1: be all right for at least next week. Uh. The
Speaker 1: Giants it's not quite a lost season because you still
Speaker 1: have to watch Daniel Jones and you know you're not
Speaker 1: the Redskins. At least you know you're not you're not
Speaker 1: the fourth team, and you're not you know you're not
Speaker 1: tanking like the Dolphins. There's something to to play for here,
Speaker 1: but you need Shephard Ingram to get back and see
Speaker 1: what this offense could be at its peak. You only
Speaker 1: got half of that against the Bucks, and that was
Speaker 1: not even their best half. No, yeah, totally. I mean
Speaker 1: you could see from my mood, I'm not a day.
Speaker 1: I'm not here crying about the lost row. I I
Speaker 1: went in pretty indifferent, going, okay, let's just let's just
Speaker 1: take some positives from this game. And there were some
Speaker 1: positives versus the best team in the NFL. Um there's
Speaker 1: some glaring negatives though, Like you know, Dalen Jones, the
Speaker 1: best thing about him so far this year in comparison
Speaker 1: to ELI, was his ability to convert on third down
Speaker 1: This this game, they can their only twenty They only
Speaker 1: converted their h third down plays, which is your Again,
Speaker 1: that's a really bad thing to do in Foxboro versus team,
Speaker 1: and like this, so that I didn't love I mean
Speaker 1: the sloppyiness has continued. I said it before was the
Speaker 1: Vikings game, and like in Dan Jones had a problem
Speaker 1: with fumbling snaps too, and now he did not follow,
Speaker 1: but he threw like he threw three picks and like
Speaker 1: the tight win. I was like, I don't like to
Speaker 1: see that. Um, he's gotta be smart about that. That
Speaker 1: that's something you don't want because if he's gonna turn
Speaker 1: the ball over, you're gonna lose games. Uh, no matter
Speaker 1: how good. Uh. You know the defense might be playing
Speaker 1: as of late, so yeah, I mean their schedule upcoming. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Arizona is gonna be tougher than people realize.
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, I don't love the idea of having
Speaker 1: a mobile quarterback running around with the defense like the
Speaker 1: it's not a lockdown defense and James Betcher revenge game exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Detroit, I think Troy's actually pretty solid. And
Speaker 1: then you have the Cowboys again, you know, this time
Speaker 1: with Danie Jones they had they played in the first
Speaker 1: time with with with Eli. And then you have you know,
Speaker 1: the Jets, but Donald back who knows about that game.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these are coin flips, like Chicago
Speaker 1: should beat them, Green Bay should beat them, Philadelphia should
Speaker 1: beat them. Then you have Miami and h Washington back
Speaker 1: to back, hopefully those are wins, and then phil welf
Speaker 1: you can to end the season. So like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna look great wins and loss wise, but
Speaker 1: right now the Giants are like too. I want to
Speaker 1: use an analogy that with the Avengers at the end
Speaker 1: of end game when you have you know, three or
Speaker 1: four guys fighting fanos, and that's like what the Giants
Speaker 1: team is right now, right and now, when Ingram was
Speaker 1: back and sake On comes back and Cheval comes back
Speaker 1: and get some guys on defense back and even Gallman
Speaker 1: to to to spell Sa Kuan when needed, that's like
Speaker 1: when the circle rings start coming and the guy starts
Speaker 1: stepping out. That's that's when the team's complete. So right
Speaker 1: now you're we're Giants fans collectively are just like you're
Speaker 1: not really seeing the what it's supposed to be. So
Speaker 1: that's why it's okay, um, but it's still frustrating to
Speaker 1: lose games in the matter they did like tonight, where
Speaker 1: you're sloppy and if you don't take dumb penalties like
Speaker 1: what Golden Data bounds and you don't throw the ball
Speaker 1: into tight windows and three those of turnovers, don't fumble
Speaker 1: the ball, the don't block, just block on punts, just
Speaker 1: block on punts, and then you know, this game could
Speaker 1: have been different. That is very frustrating. I'd rather almost
Speaker 1: just get smoked and lose forty five thing and not
Speaker 1: even be involved. I don't know. I think that. I
Speaker 1: think this was a really encouraging performance from the Giants.
Speaker 1: You saw the defense step up on occasion. They couldn't
Speaker 1: stop the Patriots in the second half when they were
Speaker 1: moving the ball. But the fact that Lorenzo Carter got
Speaker 1: to Brady on occasion, Uh, Marcus Golden, there's a lot
Speaker 1: to work with their jack rabbit gotta pick, but Brady
Speaker 1: kind of threw it to him. Um, you know, the Giants,
Speaker 1: they're not really playing for the postseason. Schrmer is kind
Speaker 1: of not he's not really coaching for his job necessarily,
Speaker 1: so they're kind of in a purgatory right now. And
Speaker 1: a win tonight Thursday night would have really turned the
Speaker 1: season around. He's turned the feelings around. Sure, No, it's
Speaker 1: totally like you know, Golden, Tate wanted more targets and
Speaker 1: targets and got more targets. The guy that he's going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, hopefully a part of the you know,
Speaker 1: the immediate future on this I don't know like that.
Speaker 1: It's not like Jones had another option. No, no. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Taide was the he's the first player, uh,
Speaker 1: a little fantasy nugget here, the first player in Fantasy
Speaker 1: to score fifteen or more points. First new ends defense
Speaker 1: this year. So Golden Date, you should be very happy
Speaker 1: when your performance today. No more crying to the media. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean for the Fantasy podcast. Yeah. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: this is the first time since I think seventeen where
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's fumbled and through interception, So that's another slight positive.
Speaker 1: But like exactly what you're saying, they're in this weird
Speaker 1: purgatory of like you wanted to see guys grow. Marcus
Speaker 1: Golden bet on himself and took a one year contract,
Speaker 1: and the guy has been a monster every single game
Speaker 1: for the Giants. Uh, he's gonna get a massive contract,
Speaker 1: hopefully it's with this team, and just stays like that's
Speaker 1: a piece I'm looking forward to. Uh, because he's fully
Speaker 1: healthy now. Dextra Lawrence up the middle should be a beast.
Speaker 1: Lawrenzo Carter young, great player, like should be great. Uh
Speaker 1: jibbil preppers had I think he was tied or second
Speaker 1: for tackles tonight, Like he's looked better, so like there
Speaker 1: are some bright spots. Jon dr Baker hopefully just only
Speaker 1: gets better. He made a couple of nice tackles. I
Speaker 1: know his coverage has been pretty spotty early on, but
Speaker 1: you know there are pieces in the defensive side. Offensive side,
Speaker 1: they have a great core, just not healthy right now.
Speaker 1: So it's just the waiting game. You want to see
Speaker 1: the full squad there. You want to see what Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones could do with his top targets. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: for us, like a brief second, they are a lot
Speaker 1: of Giants fans were happy, going, wow, this is gonna
Speaker 1: happen in Foxborough tonight, like he's gonna shock the world.
Speaker 1: But you know, the rug was pulled off from underneath
Speaker 1: and the Patriots did what the Patriots always do, and
Speaker 1: and then it should and frankly it should have happened
Speaker 1: like that, Like they are the better team. They will
Speaker 1: be playing in late January, probably in February, and um,
Speaker 1: right now, the Giants saw what it's like to go
Speaker 1: to the best team's building. Uh, in a primetime game,
Speaker 1: and uh the second half, like I said before, they
Speaker 1: just like slowly let them out and then like that's
Speaker 1: what they do. Like there's nothing else you could really say.
Speaker 1: Not there was no eighteen and one on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Miracle did not happen. There was no David Tyree, no
Speaker 1: stick him on the helmet. The Patriots moved to six
Speaker 1: and oh the Giants two and four. We got football Sunday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: early football Sunday. Were heroes are going to be in London?
Speaker 1: London game for was it Bucks Panthers? Uh? And a
Speaker 1: couple of there's a couple of big matches I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to on Sunday as well. Um, it should be
Speaker 1: another good week. It's it's for me. I guess I
Speaker 1: can enjoy this Sunday without having to wake up in
Speaker 1: a world without having to worry about the Giants potentially
Speaker 1: ruining your Sunday in a foul mood. No, yeah, by
Speaker 1: then it's it's days past. I'm fine. I could just
Speaker 1: sit down and let everyone else worry about I'll just
Speaker 1: have my fantasy team up and check that. But or
Speaker 1: you know, put the Reds on on or whatever and
Speaker 1: just watch the games. Uh, totally enjoying them because I
Speaker 1: have no no dog in the fight. That's a great feeling.
Speaker 1: Great failing, We're onto the next one, as are the
Speaker 1: Giants and the Patriots. Thanks for listening. This is Jeremy
Speaker 1: Bergman and Eddie Spaghetti filling in for the heroes.