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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew, John.

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Speaker 2: We've got an in the lab in the lab today

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Speaker 2: because this is it. Yeah, this is it you John

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Speaker 2: Harris and Drew Doherty and you you watching listening. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: the three of us together here now in the lab

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Speaker 2: in the lab. What's that mean? Well, we york out

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Speaker 2: here sometimes on in the lab. When they started back

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, we kind of wanted to dig deeper

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Speaker 2: and do some fun things and nerd out in a sense.

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Speaker 2: So we've redrafted the twenty eleven draft for the Yeaton Texans.

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Speaker 2: We've redrafted the two thousand and or ten draft for

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Speaker 2: the Texans. You know, we've done things like that. We've

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Speaker 2: we've said, okay, you get to pick two Houston Oilers

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Speaker 2: all time and put them on in the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nineteen Houston We did that. So that's what we're after.

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Speaker 2: We do mock draft simulations about three four times a

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Speaker 2: draft season. So with that in mind, right in our wheelhouse,

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Speaker 2: coming down Broadway, you gotta swing. If this is there,

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Speaker 2: you're not taking this one. We are hammering away at

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Speaker 2: this and hitting a triple to the gap PFF. Recently,

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Speaker 2: they've been doing a lot of things here this offseason,

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Speaker 2: but recently they had a redraft for the entire NFL

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Speaker 2: of two thousand and six.

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Speaker 3: John, Yeah, they're starting each year moving forward, and they

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Speaker 3: went back. I think they went back to two thousand

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Speaker 3: with PFF, So that's where that's where they went back

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Speaker 3: and started in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 4: And they're doing a year every.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, every week or so it seems, and

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Speaker 3: they're gonna do it probably up until the season. But

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Speaker 3: you you hit it like are in the like ore

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Speaker 3: in the lab, like love and Genesis comes out of

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Speaker 3: like doing greed drafts and looking back and butterfly effects

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Speaker 3: and things like that.

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Speaker 2: The what ifs, yeah, the what ifs yeah, and you

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Speaker 2: roller right out of what if. That's all right, move on,

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Speaker 2: do something else. But we're gonna what if the what ifs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So two thousand and six to reset.

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Speaker 2: We got to give this twenty twenty three draft a

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Speaker 2: few more years before we can crown it. But two

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Speaker 2: thousand and six draft is generally regarded as the best

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Speaker 2: in team history. Two thousand and nine pretty darn good.

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Speaker 2: Two twenty eleven you get JJ Watt. Two thousand and

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Speaker 2: three you get Dre But on the whole top to bottom,

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Speaker 2: it's tough to argue about six. Yeah, the first overall pick,

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Speaker 2: you surprised everyone by taking Mario Williams. He was a

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Speaker 2: pro bowler here. He had one hundred sacks in his career.

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Speaker 2: Great player. Your second rounder is now down the hall.

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Speaker 2: He's your head coach, but he's one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: leaders in franchise history.

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Speaker 5: He was the defensive rookie of the year.

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Speaker 2: It was Demico Ryans, linebacker played here through twenty eleven

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Speaker 2: and was awesome. In the third round, you've got Carl Spencer,

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Speaker 2: Eric Winston. You got a couple of great tackles. Spencer

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Speaker 2: gout hurt. It's too bad he was too promising. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: block that for what we're getting to. Eric Winston was

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Speaker 2: phenomenal for you. He started here for four or five years.

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Speaker 2: He was excellent, part of the best defensive line in

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Speaker 2: team history. And then in the fourth got the greatest

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Speaker 2: tight end in franchise history. And Owen Daniels, and then

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Speaker 2: after that we got David Anderson in there, he's a

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Speaker 5: Later in the seventh.

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Speaker 4: Wally Lundy was in there. Yeah, I think he was

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Speaker 3: I think he's the only other one that we that

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Speaker 3: we needed to mention was Wally Lundy.

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Speaker 4: I think you you hit all you hit the high.

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Speaker 5: Point, hit the high points.

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Speaker 2: While yeah, well you got a fine player here, did

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Speaker 2: some some solid things, just not as notable as some

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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, o d in there.

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Speaker 4: Great draft, Yeah, tremendous draft.

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Speaker 3: However, if PFF had had its way back in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and six, life in Houston would be all kinds

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Speaker 3: of different, crazy different, like crazy, I'm talking current day,

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Speaker 2: And they just did the first round, right, they just

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Speaker 3: They just did the first round, so they didn't go

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Speaker 4: They drafted a corner. They drafted Kelly Jennings from out.

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Speaker 3: cornerback to the Pittsburgh Steelers. So the Pittsburgh Steelers won

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Speaker 3: the five season Super Bowl, were going to six.

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Speaker 4: So there are a number of things when it comes to.

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Speaker 3: The butterfly effect of this whole of just redrafting. So,

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Speaker 3: like you said, Mario Williams is drafted number one, PFF

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Speaker 3: has the Texans redrafting Andrew Whitworth, future Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: left tackle right PFF had an overall elite ninety three

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Speaker 3: point four PFFF grade overall grade across sixteen years.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Whitworth did it in both Cincinnati and then with the

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Speaker 3: in twenty one, and then he got into media and

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Speaker 4: He was an.

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Speaker 2: Excellent left tackle. Yeah, so it makes me wonder though

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Speaker 2: there was outrage. Yeah, Mario Williams was drafted by the face, Yes,

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Speaker 2: by the media, and understandably so because he had Reggie

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Speaker 5: I'll admit it would the outrage.

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Speaker 4: Did you put up the sign like Mattress Macda?

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Speaker 5: No? I did not.

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Speaker 2: But the outrage if Andrew Whitworth would have been there

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Speaker 2: worse than the outrage we saw with Mario Williams, because hey,

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Speaker 2: what plague the Texans at that that time, poor pass.

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Speaker 4: Particular right David Carr taking a lot of sacks.

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Speaker 2: And still though with the with those two at the

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Speaker 5: But is it more understandable?

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Speaker 2: right outrage versus who is this guy?

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Speaker 5: There would have been a who is this guy? With Whitworth.

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Speaker 3: There's that there's an there there's an LSU component, and

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Speaker 3: we know we got a lot of LSU grads, and

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Speaker 3: I think there would have been a lot of thumbs

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Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, they're a little bit of that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think when I think back to two thousand and

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Speaker 3: about the thought process in this building.

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Speaker 4: It was we got to beat the Colts. How are

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Speaker 4: we going to beat the Colts? We gotta go rush

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Speaker 4: the quarterback. Okay, well, how do you do that? Well

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Speaker 4: you go get this uber athlete in Mario Williams.

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Speaker 3: Now to let you know that Mario Williams wasn't just

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Speaker 4: In this redraft. He goes twelveth to the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't as if it was a complete you know,

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Speaker 3: he was a complete bust, not at all. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think he and Mark and I talked about this

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Speaker 4: Drews.

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Speaker 3: Mario's probably we talked about this. Travis Johnson, He's like

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Speaker 3: Mario is probably the most underrated Texan. But because he

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Speaker 3: was the number one overall picks, there was such expectations.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and man like Clowney. Clowney didn't have anybody that

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Speaker 2: Reggie that popular like him in that fourteen draft.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you read Johnny Manzel but everybody kind of

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Speaker 5: It was a little different, and he was physically he

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were real question legit questions and concerns about

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Speaker 2: But man, the outrage would have still been there with

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Speaker 2: Whitworth and it still would have been fierce. But I think,

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Speaker 2: like you're saying, it would have been temp a bit

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Speaker 2: by the LSU component. But Mario Williams, after he leaves

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Speaker 2: the Texans, he goes on and has multiple double digit

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Speaker 2: like I said, with over one hundred sacks, and you're

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Speaker 2: that's a good point. He was one of the most

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Speaker 2: underrated Texans of all time. So here's because the expectations.

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Speaker 4: So I liked that you brought this up.

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Speaker 3: So when I saw this, my instant gut reaction was, Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: we're not drafting Dwayne in two thousand and eight, so

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Speaker 3: I was curious to see what PFF would do two

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Speaker 3: we're not drafting Dwayne. If we had Whitworth that left tackle,

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Speaker 3: we're not drafting Dwayne in two thousand and eight. And

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Speaker 3: I thought what PFF did in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 3: we're not drafting Dwayne, so eight we can do something different.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna trade up and down or whatever we

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Speaker 3: did in that draft to go get Dwayne Brown. Whitworth's

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Speaker 3: gonna be the guy, and he's gonna be the guy

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Speaker 3: going forward. When I told you that it was Andrew

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Speaker 3: Whitworth the tackle at number one? Was your instant reaction?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: What would it?

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Speaker 3: What would the fans have thought about that? What was

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Speaker 3: your instant reaction to hear and Andrew Whitworth at number one?

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Speaker 2: With all the hindsight, I was like, that's cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know whatever, But yeah, they would have lost I

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Speaker 2: lost it. In two thousand and six, I was at Lubbock, Texas, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I was getting ready. I can't remember what I

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Speaker 2: because it was Friday night, they signed him to tie

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Speaker 2: Mario and.

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Speaker 3: I remember, yes, I know exactly where I was too

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Speaker 3: when it was this was happening.

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Speaker 2: And now the team Vince Young. I had seen all

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Speaker 2: the heroics. I thought he was Vince Young as a

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Speaker 2: college quarterback. I thought he was Michael Jordan as a

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Speaker 2: college quarterback, and he was gonna come home and do

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Speaker 2: all these awesome things.

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Speaker 5: And I swore off the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 2: Friday night and Saturday, I was up at the United

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Speaker 2: Spirit Arena in Lubbock, Texas.

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Speaker 5: It's where they play their basketball games.

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Speaker 2: It's probably called something different now, but they had a

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Speaker 2: Larry Hayes Show that I hosted. And I just seen

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Speaker 2: Demiko Ryans in Alabama beat that really good Texas Tech

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Speaker 5: Saw lots of games that year.

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Speaker 5: But then I just forgot.

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Speaker 2: So the Texans Friday night they sign Mario, they make

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Speaker 5: Like, all right, I actually liked that.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna give the I'm gonna give the

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Speaker 2: Eighteen, probably where he should have been Richens right, because

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Speaker 3: Do you know who had pick number eighteen? Who's at

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Speaker 2: He would have been talked about like Chuck Halle and

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Speaker 3: You know, I thought it was interesting also in this

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Speaker 4: Part of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: But what's interesting also in this draft was former Texans

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Speaker 4: So I mentioned Dimico goes at eighteen.

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Speaker 5: So they were teammates.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he would have been a good page.

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Speaker 3: How would life have been different if he's with the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: Three draft picks go in the first round in this redraft.

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Speaker 4: They're just doing it one round earlier.

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Speaker 3: But he ended up becoming a Texan along with Jonathan

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Speaker 4: That free agent class from Abilene.

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Speaker 3: Christian safety Danielle Manning goes number twenty six in this

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Speaker 3: redraft from two thousand and six. Wow, so number of

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Speaker 5: So he's won.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, three from the six Texans draft class wound up

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Speaker 4: Yells, Mario Demiko.

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Speaker 3: And Mario Demiko, and uh Winston Mario Demiico Winston and No.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I remember correctly, I don't remember seeing a

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Speaker 3: take it back. Vernon Davis went to the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 5: Do you take Winston? Do you take Winston or do

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Do you do? You focus on a different position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and when Danielle Manning got here,

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Speaker 2: what changes with that, I mean, just in that one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, no Dwayne Brown, so you go with Whitworth.

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Speaker 3: There are some things that you probably you know, you

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Speaker 3: probably don't have to draft Bubb Caldwell, you know, who

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Speaker 3: somewhere else. And of course we talked about this all

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Speaker 3: when you could look back at a draft and go, man,

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Speaker 3: didn't they do that? Why didn't they Andrew Orth wasn't

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Speaker 3: But when you look back on hindsight, it makes a

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Speaker 3: like you said, Drew, how much the Texans struggled with protecting.

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Speaker 2: The quarterback totally, totally, and then in O eight, like

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Speaker 5: Yeap makes things interesting.

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Speaker 2: So you have a good offensive line in theory just

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Speaker 2: but really are you, Because what we saw in eleven

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Speaker 2: as far as that's offensive lines, that's what we're able

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Speaker 5: Man, I love things like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight redraft by PFF, the first

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Speaker 3: Louis Rams. They took Chris Long. He ends up going

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Speaker 3: Matt Ryan draft in this redraft Dwayne Brown at number

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Speaker 3: that's amazing. I would have never had my big draft

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Speaker 4: They take a gun slinger by the name.

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Speaker 3: Of Joe Flacco, Joe Flecker, Joe Flacco in Oakland.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's fun to in you look at some of

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Speaker 4: Raiders take a quarterback from Delaware. Al Davis has to

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Speaker 3: I mean, he would have been the prototypical Raiders quarterback

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Speaker 4: So it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But going back and seeing some of these names and

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Speaker 3: Matt Forte was drafted, they have him going to thirteen

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Speaker 3: the Panthers and oh eight, he was a second round pick.

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Speaker 4: He was so good they have him.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'll ask you this in hindsight, Yes, looking back,

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Speaker 5: Chris Johnson? You can only take one?

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Speaker 4: Can take one?

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Speaker 5: Forte? Did it longer? Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean, did it longer?

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Speaker 5: CJ two K? Did it more? Spectacularly? Burst?

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Speaker 2: And adding him to what Steve Smith and the loane

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Speaker 2: at that point? What's that due man? Crazyly adding either

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Speaker 2: of them? I mean, I think you bolster that team.

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Speaker 2: But I like the flash and I'm I'm colored, partly

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Speaker 2: because the first road trip I went on with the

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Speaker 2: Houston Texans in two thousand and nine was Week two

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Speaker 2: a absolute it's kind of like not forgotten, but it's

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Speaker 2: sort of pushed away. It is because the season was solid,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't a playoff season. But that was a

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Speaker 2: huge win and it was a wild, wild, wild game. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Tech decided not to cover Chris Johnson at least

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, oh my god, let him have his

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Speaker 2: fifteen yards of space.

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Speaker 5: And he punished him for it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but Andre Johnson also answered the bell and

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Speaker 2: had a huge.

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Speaker 3: He had that great one handed catch going in the

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Speaker 3: back of that far end zone.

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Speaker 5: And the seasons were germinated.

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Speaker 2: We were watered, we're planted, and we're starting the bud

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Speaker 2: of the Andre Johnson Cortland Finigan ker kuffle that came

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Speaker 2: to be a year later, but a lot of it

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Speaker 2: started in that game and kept and was was strengthened

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Speaker 2: in that game because he and Andre mix it up.

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Speaker 2: There was one deep ball going Andre's way and Finland

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Speaker 2: Fittigan was beat, so he just jumped on Andre Johnson's back,

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Speaker 2: I mean just just tackled him.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like, man, I would have I probably would

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Speaker 3: take you Chris Johnson, but.

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Speaker 4: I love I love Forte. He's did for a little

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Speaker 4: bit longer.

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Speaker 3: But just having that weapon of Chris Johnson, it would

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Speaker 3: have been would have been pretty amazing for you one

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Speaker 3: of this first.

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Speaker 2: I would have gone with like a burst in time. Well,

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Speaker 2: I would have gone with Johnson. But if you really

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Speaker 2: want to get the better player. I think you'd have

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Speaker 2: to go with fourteen because he was better for longer

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Speaker 2: and you know, pretty versatile as well.

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Speaker 4: He was a damn good player for the Bears. Man,

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Speaker 4: Panthers couldn't couldn't miss.

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Speaker 3: They took Jonathan Stewart, who's in his own right, but

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Speaker 3: they end up going with Forte in that two thousand

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Speaker 3: and eight redraft. In two thousand and eight redraft, we

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Speaker 3: mentioned the Texans take Carl Nicks. He was drafted in

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Speaker 3: the fifth round, but he was a first team All

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Speaker 3: Pro once, a second team All Pro once, and a

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowler twice. But he had to retire after six

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Speaker 3: seasons due to MRSA infection that I remember. You got

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Speaker 3: that with the Saints.

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Speaker 4: But he was day. He was damn good.

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Speaker 3: You put him on the line with Whitworth and Winston,

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Speaker 3: and my god, you would have had an even better

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Speaker 3: offensive line than you had in either one of those years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then sprinkling Chris Myers be a trade. Yeah, with

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Speaker 2: that line for sure. Hey man, I love doing this

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Speaker 2: with you.

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