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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

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Speaker 1: before we get to this week's episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power, written by

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Speaker 1: yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.

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Speaker 1: Make sure y'all get that. Now, let's get to this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. This is Mandy be Welcome to Selective Ignorance,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, let's get into it because today's topic

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Speaker 1: it's a spicy one. I'm your host, Mandy Vee, and

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Speaker 1: this is another episode of Selective Ignorance, and we gonna

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Speaker 1: call this episode pay us what you Owe. But before

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Speaker 1: y'all get too deep in your feelings, let's really break

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Speaker 1: down what that oh even means, see as someone who

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Speaker 1: owns a business. I wrestle with this every day, and

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Speaker 1: there's this fine ass line between self worth and actual,

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Speaker 1: real life value. You can feel like you're worth a

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Speaker 1: million and listen, I love that confidence for you. But

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Speaker 1: does that feeling match your impact, your skill set, your return,

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Speaker 1: or what anyone's actually willing to pay you? Or is

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Speaker 1: it just vibes and delusion dressed up? Is what you

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Speaker 1: feel like you quote unquote deserve. Now, don't get it twisted.

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Speaker 1: I believe in a living wage. Okay, no one should

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Speaker 1: be out here working full time and still wondering how

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Speaker 1: they're gonna eat or keep the lights on. I get it.

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Speaker 1: But here's where it gets tricky. If you sign a contract,

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Speaker 1: agree to a job, accept the terms, and show up

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Speaker 1: every day, can you really cry foul after the fact,

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Speaker 1: or are you mad that you just didn't negotiate better,

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Speaker 1: or fight for yourself or leverage those skills and tools

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Speaker 1: and things that make you worth more than what you've

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Speaker 1: agreed to. Because in this world, especially in this capitalistic structure,

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Speaker 1: it's not about what you deserve, it's about what you

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Speaker 1: can negotiate. Closed mouths don't get fair, right. But on

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Speaker 1: the flip side. Should companies be praised for squeezing every

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Speaker 1: ounce out of people just because they can. Should we

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Speaker 1: side with the business for playing the game, or should

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Speaker 1: we side with the employee who chose to play the

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Speaker 1: game but didn't know all of the rules. It gets

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Speaker 1: real murky in this conversation, real nuance. So today we're

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Speaker 1: diving in it, and of course I'm not doing it

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Speaker 1: by myself. But the questions that we're gonna ask today

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Speaker 1: are what do we really mean when we say pay

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Speaker 1: us what you owe us? Are we talking justice or

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Speaker 1: are we just in our feelings? Because those are not

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Buckle up, this is not gonna be

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Speaker 1: black and white like your girl, I'm black and white,

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Speaker 1: But today I don't know. I don't know what side

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Speaker 1: gonna hear me be a heavy hypocrite as normal. We

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Speaker 1: are joined by our super producers A King and Jason

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Speaker 1: in the building. But but listen, listen. But I'm joined

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Speaker 1: today by some people to help me with the nuance

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Speaker 1: of this, and I thought it was important. I'm in

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Speaker 1: the media space. I'm joined by my good friend who's

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Speaker 1: in the music industry, and my other new good friend

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Speaker 1: who's in the TV industry. To break it all down,

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Speaker 1: let me introduce them to you. We have cyri De Kid,

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Speaker 1: who y'all already have met in a previous episode where

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Speaker 1: we talked about geographical different Oh my god, shut up.

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Speaker 1: He is a multi talented creator and recording artist who

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Speaker 1: hosts Sorry not Sorry, I want to say it like that.

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Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, sorry not sorry, There we Go show, and

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Speaker 1: earlier this year, he released his most recent project, My

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Speaker 1: Next Ex, which, by the way, doom clips. All the

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Speaker 1: content around that was so fucking dope. I'm also going

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Speaker 1: to tell you, like I tell every when I know

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Speaker 1: when I'm not used for music videos or interludes, I

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Speaker 2: Are you a vixen?

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: I could be the voice stuff on the album? Would

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Speaker 1: I want to be a vixen.

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Speaker 2: I want to be on the album cover.

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Speaker 1: I want to be on an interlude. And I feel

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't decline, I didn't get the offer,

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Speaker 1: Like where is it at?

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Speaker 2: We're friends?

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I could still be a vixen, y'all,

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Speaker 1: it's going to come into production, but we're supposed to

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Speaker 2: An upcoming in the film.

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Speaker 1: Here's your chance. The other voice that you guys will

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Speaker 1: be hearing on this week's episode, you guys will know

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Speaker 1: her face if you're watching on the YouTube, because I

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Speaker 1: knew her face immediately. We have Giovanni Samuels, who is

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Speaker 1: the host of the Tokens podcast, the author of All

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Speaker 1: That You Need to Know about the show business for

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Speaker 1: getting started to working on set in the business. She's

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Speaker 1: an actress who appeared prominently on All That and if

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Speaker 1: you don't know about All That, look at you. If

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Speaker 1: you don't know about All That, you were too young

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Speaker 1: currently the executive producer of Good Judies. Hello, I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad that you agreed to come on here. Course, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I want you all to know I really

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Speaker 1: mean what I say. I've met Giovanni in first class

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Speaker 1: coming back from Essence Fest. Yes, and where normally I

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Speaker 1: sleep the whole flight. Me AND's bitch talk the whole time,

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Speaker 1: entire flight from New Orleans to Atlanta. Delta. I'm we

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Speaker 1: was on Delta, and I will say too, and maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because it's Atlanta. It was the first time in

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Speaker 1: my life. And also you're coming from essence best. The

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Speaker 3: Black and black black from black and and black yo.

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Speaker 4: Because black and black black and the black black blaf

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Speaker 5: So your question, yes, what was the demographic of flight

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Speaker 1: She was a white blonde. She was a white blonde

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Speaker 1: You was about to get left, Yes, mind you hold on,

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Speaker 1: And I say this because as I'm looking around, Samia

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Speaker 1: Kavene what's her name? Kadeen? Kadeen from Devell and Kadeen

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Speaker 1: UH podcast shout out to them. She was right across

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Speaker 1: from us. Kofe was in the front two roads. Kofe

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Speaker 7: mind you a story that I've never shared on before

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Speaker 7: we get into what we were talking about in first class.

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Speaker 1: So I go to All Star weekend this year, and

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Speaker 1: I've gone to All Star weekends if y'all know, that's

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Speaker 1: the only place that I'm going to run into niggas.

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Speaker 1: I even NBA All Star Weekend. So it was in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, UH this year, and I go and I'm

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Speaker 1: at fucking Kenny's party, and I'm running into all of

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Speaker 1: literally I congratulate Vince Carter on becoming part owner of

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Speaker 1: grew up watching at Kiss. The old head, the old heads. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I literally say, I ain't taking pictures nobody. The one

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Speaker 1: if I see Drew Ski, oh my god, to hold up,

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Speaker 1: let we'll talk about I know. So you responded exactly

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Speaker 1: how I did, just you know, but I already did it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was like trying to play cool because

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Speaker 1: I got myselfie already. So I see Drew Ski on

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Speaker 1: this flight, but I already So anyways, San Francisco is

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Speaker 1: the last night. He's at the Talent hotel that I'm at.

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Speaker 1: So I see Sweetie over there sitting down. Me and

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Speaker 1: and we're in this booth and literally I get up

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Speaker 1: to be introduced. So it's all their weekend, all star games,

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Speaker 1: And so I'm at this table and I get up

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Speaker 1: to be introduced to somebody, and I'm like, okay, cool, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm familiar. I'm in the middle of being introduced to Rafael.

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Speaker 1: I love you already so much, in the middle of.

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Speaker 6: Him talking no.

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Speaker 1: No, my friend is like, bitch, trues is over there. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I literally dub conversation there with a group of

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Speaker 1: I'm a millennial.

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Speaker 6: He was singing Lucy Pearl.

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Speaker 2: The baby face.

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Speaker 1: No, don't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't

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Speaker 1: do that. But he was talking to us as a group,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, thanks to meet y'all, be right back.

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Speaker 1: and right on over and I was like, Drewski, just

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Speaker 1: have to tell you, you're my favorite person on the internet.

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Speaker 1: And I told all my friends that if I saw you,

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Speaker 1: picture week, So can I get a selfie? He was

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Speaker 1: super dope, super dope, super cool. It's funny too, because

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Speaker 1: we were trying to figure out what party there was

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Speaker 1: that night, and there was some party with fucking ja

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Speaker 1: Jah Paculia and fucking Kevin Hart on it, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there's right, so random, right, so so listen.

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Speaker 1: So so Drewsky's like, oh, okay, so where are you going?

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Speaker 1: So I literally I'm like, well, there's this fire and

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Speaker 1: he looks at it and he laughs. What he said,

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Speaker 1: Kevin just got on his PJ. He's not gonna be there,

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Speaker 1: kept headed back to LA. He literally is like, Kevin's

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Speaker 1: not going to be there. Well he's on the far No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that niggas headed back to LA. I know this, per fact,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to go to that

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Speaker 1: party because Kevin is not gonna be there. And that

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Speaker 1: ship was so funny, but yeah, it was dope. Met him,

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Speaker 1: bringing it back to meeting the lovely Giovanni. So we're

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Speaker 1: on this flight and we ended up talking about just

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Speaker 1: where we're at in terms of creative space business. I

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Speaker 1: was like, girl, I'm gonna be drinking because this was

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Speaker 1: a long weekend. So I'm ordering my drinks and you

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Speaker 1: could see I think everybody was drinking on this flight

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Speaker 1: because the goddamn first class attendant she looked bad.

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Speaker 6: Yes, let's give her name. The blonde was.

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Speaker 1: The blonde blonde?

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Speaker 6: You think the blonde.

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Speaker 2: But given that aspect is.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I mean I am taking offers.

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Speaker 4: I again, I wanted those type of conversations that we

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Speaker 1: It's also why I'm really excited for you to join

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Speaker 3: Public we make deals all the time, all the time.

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Speaker 3: Your mortgage is a deal. You buy a house, You

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Speaker 1: be manned during bitch and mind you. I'm American as fuck.

439
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: English is my only language. When you look at contracts

440
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: that may as well be written in Shakespeare. It is

441
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: Arabic English, it's not that. And so you really need

442
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: someone to be able to go in and interpret because

443
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: so the problem is not that you're signing the deal,

444
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: but it is the fact more that you're signing a

445
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: deal that you're you're unaware of what you're signing.

446
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 4: So I had a lawyer and it's still.

447
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, you had a lawyer, and.

448
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 4: I'll even go further. My mom's an entrepreneur, has been

449
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 4: my entire life. Okay, so I've always been I guess

450
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: and net enough to know how to run business, even

451
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: from a young age. My mom made it a priority

452
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: that I was in charge of my career and my business. Now,

453
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 4: with that being said, of course, you can only I

454
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: can only do so much a minor. We had a lawyer.

455
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 4: All that was my first job.

456
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: Great first job, damn mine was.

457
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: And they's still they still fucked you.

458
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 4: I was paid the least and worked the most.

459
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: Do the color you think, well, they had other color?

460
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: Were you? Were you not there with none?

461
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 5: No?

462
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: No, that's not a crazy But they did have like Latina,

463
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: they they don't have no keen aint.

464
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: Kell and everybody. So when I came on, all that

465
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 4: they were doing a hard rebrand, so it was an

466
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: entirely new cast, new show. You know, they were picking

467
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: kids who had some kind of credits, had something. I

468
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: had something. But this was my first series regular.

469
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Okay.

470
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 4: So with that being said, I had a lawyer, I

471
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: had a manager, and I had an agent, and I still.

472
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: None of them fought for you for what you feel

473
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: like you should have gotten, Like the pay is what

474
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: you owe is conversation which we'll get into with the

475
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: WNBA with you, what do you feel like they did

476
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: wrong in the deal that you did end up signing.

477
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 4: If they were for the second season, there should have

478
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: been a a whole lot more money second and third season.

479
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: Okay.

480
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: So first season okay, understandable. Yeah, they paid for us

481
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: to move because we were living in San Diego, and

482
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: they paid for us. They gave us a pret DM

483
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: like as far as my team, they did a good

484
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: job of covering the basics all of that extra And

485
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: again this is my first series regular. I get it,

486
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 4: my pay is not going to be what it should be.

487
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 4: But when we got to the second season and we

488
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 4: were winning awards and get in show, yo, like where

489
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 4: the money at it? And now you don't have to

490
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: pay for my livings because I moved. I moved to

491
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: la and was there full time. Did all your promo stuff,

492
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: did all of those extra things. There was a lot

493
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 4: of stuff that they did behind the scenes, like work

494
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 4: days where we should have got paid and we didn't.

495
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: Oh shit, there was several of those.

496
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: Now here's my question. You said you made the least.

497
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were old more because you

498
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: found out what other people were making?

499
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 4: Oh, somebody sent there. Somebody else is steck to me accidentally.

500
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: So that's how I found out that I know.

501
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: Wait in the mail because back then we got checks

502
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: in the mail. Oh so you got someone else's.

503
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: Check, somebody else's check, and open it up.

504
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: How much? How much more was it than yours? And

505
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: you don't have to say who it was or anything,

506
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to say it was.

507
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 6: It was.

508
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: It was definitely like sure she does, I'd say like

509
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 4: six to seven bands, more more.

510
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: Cooking, oh ship, And this is in the nineties. That's

511
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Two thousands, two thousands, okay, early early.

512
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 6: Still gas prices was still one.

513
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: You could get a three bedroom for seven fifty back

514
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: like it was white.

515
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: Yes in mail wow, narrowed.

516
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: It down loud.

517
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: Let me know, I can I say something honest? Yeah,

518
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say this in two different ways. One

519
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: and I know you put up a clip with booming,

520
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: so I'm addressed this, and then I'm addressed in another way

521
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: because I'm sure she wasn't dealing with black people. That

522
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: was saying right on the black side for me personally,

523
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: if you're if you're black and you're allowing somebody to

524
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: do a contract that doesn't benefit them and giving them

525
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: some type of game on how it works in advance

526
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: before they make the choice to do something, because some

527
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: black people will do whatever for an opportunity, right, and

528
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: it is sacrificing everything when you lack leverage. If you're

529
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: black and you're not giving any type of game to

530
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: the person under you that's trying to come up knowing

531
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: you went through it, you're a bitch ass nigga, or

532
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: you a bitch ass whole. I don't fuck with you

533
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: type of people. I don't like that shit at all.

534
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: I don't give fuck how you want to put it

535
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: all you signed, shut up, nigga. I don't like it.

536
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: Everybody I work with that's coming up, I give them

537
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: game because niggas didn't do me like yeah, now I'm

538
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: gonna move forward from that. On the other side of things,

539
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: a ruling business for me as a hustler, I don't

540
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: give a fuck what a nigga making on another block.

541
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: But I'm making what I charge is what I charge,

542
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: So I'm never concerned about somebody else's pocket. No offense

543
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: to what you're talking about. If I see another nigga,

544
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: I'm just motivated, white all black. I don't be like, oh, well,

545
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: why aren't I getting this. I don't really get like that, right,

546
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: So I feel like, if you know what you I'm

547
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: just saying. But in terms of me, anybody in business personally,

548
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: your cards are your cars, and you deal them how

549
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: you deal them. Now in business, I tell people you

550
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: don't if you don't have leverage, you have no negotiation

551
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: in any room. And so I do feel like everybody

552
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: has their different sacrifice for a certain period of time

553
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: until you can come back and renegotiate things. Honor your terms,

554
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: Honor it, whatever lines you have in your shit with

555
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 3: your lawyer or whoever else. You honor it, and if

556
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: you can renegotiate something, you do that same that you

557
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: can do well, like I said, with real estate, you

558
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: can come back and renegotiate, refinance whatever that's possible as well.

559
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: But once you agree to something to me, I believe

560
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: you should honor it. White black irons. You said all

561
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: different type of colors, Yeah, all the colors.

562
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing that I want to add to that,

563
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: and it's going to lean into where I'm at as

564
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: a creative and what Giovanni just leaned into in terms

565
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: of seeing someone else's pay, right, you don't know what

566
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: you can even charge sometimes for things, or what you

567
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: can negotiate if you don't know the landscaper standards. And again,

568
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: as someone that was black, yeah and so and for

569
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: the people representing her maybe didn't think a little black

570
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: girl at that time deserved to pay as a little

571
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: white boy because racism. And so if we for me,

572
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm constantly telling people the checks that I get from networks,

573
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: from bookings, from hostings, because to me, as black creatives,

574
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: as people who are my peers, you might not know

575
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: that that type of check is even available to you

576
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: if people don't share that information, and that's where they're ignorant.

577
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: And and here's the other part of the of the pie.

578
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: For me as a as a creative who now has

579
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: seen certain checks, I get mad at my peers for

580
00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: accepting penny because it's like, now I'm bro, you fucking everybody,

581
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: and it goes to everybody somewhere. No no, no, no, no, no, no,

582
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So here's the thing. Here's the thing

583
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: where you're like, I could see somebody else's check, but

584
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna still make my own price. To me specifically

585
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: is black creators. If we're talking about what we're owed,

586
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: it's important for other black creators to share what their

587
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: ceiling is because, bro, another black creator, whether you view

588
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: me the same or not, that company just sees a

589
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: black face withut.

590
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: With numbers all the time, Yes, a.

591
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: Lot of times, unless they're specifically coming for me for

592
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: a specific role. If a company just needs to MAE,

593
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: don't need fill quota, period, that black creator that might

594
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: be accepting five thousand when the budget is twenty five thousand.

595
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: They might not even know that twenty five thousand is

596
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: available to them unless other black creators are like, wait,

597
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: that company, I got this check from them, you can

598
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: get more from what I was told the older generation

599
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: would do that.

600
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 4: What you're saying right now sare rate. Yes, share their

601
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: rate like Marla Gibbs and all that older generation because

602
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: there weren't that many black roles available. If I got

603
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: the audition, I'm gonna call you up, like, yo, did

604
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: you get this?

605
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: All right?

606
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 4: Cool, here's the here's the information. Blah blah blah. One

607
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: of us is gonna get it.

608
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Hey.

609
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: In fact, let's all car pull together. That's what they

610
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: did because they knew somebody was gonna get it. They knew, Okay,

611
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: this is how much I charge, this is what you

612
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: should do. There's been some kind of disconnect between that

613
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 4: generation and now where that is not happening.

614
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: Because created equals with this humble nigga ship. I'm black too,

615
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: by the way, so I can say this, put the ship.

616
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: Every fucking person podcasting is not Mandy.

617
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: Let's stop it. Many could put her rate out of

618
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: all she wants.

619
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: If I see another chick like oh, y'all I need

620
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: to give with me. No, sorry, No, you're not busting

621
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: your ass like Mandy. You're not doing the extra leg

622
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: works like man, you're not doing the research like men.

623
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Wait, we didn't talk about standards though, right.

624
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: We need too because you're blacked the men you get

625
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: Mandy's paid, right, right, right?

626
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I agree?

627
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: I agree.

628
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: However, and we're talking about the standard rate where we've

629
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: been talking about over the last couple of years with

630
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: all these podcasters getting one hundred million dollar deals, and

631
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: where I'm like, we're or people, and people disagree with

632
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: me because of course, the the sentiment is that they're

633
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: getting it because they're white. And when I have to

634
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: defend these white people, it pisses me off because I'm like, whoa, whoa,

635
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: those numbers aren't compared to our numbers. So if we

636
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: bring down numbers when they're getting ten million downloads and

637
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm getting one hundred thousand, No, I can't think that

638
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: my check is going to be as big as heart check,

639
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But for me, as we're

640
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: all excelling, all elevating in this space, whether you're an

641
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: artist and actor, we're talking about standards. So say, and

642
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I can take this back to corporate because I loved

643
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: doing that because I used to be in corporate when

644
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: I was a year one staff account. Then you have

645
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: year two staff account, then you have manager, then you

646
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: have senior manager, we can kind of layer a creative

647
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: or an actor or even an artist into those same spaces.

648
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: And so that's where we're saying a standard has to exist.

649
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: If you are an up and coming artist and you're

650
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: taking a five thousand dollars bag at a festival, but

651
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: another up and common artist with very similar numbers is

652
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: somehow able to get twenty thousand, there needs to be

653
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: a conversation as to how there's a fifteen thousand dollars.

654
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: A month professionals. Now, if you just categorize in the

655
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Speaker 4: niggas with WEP and coming, yeah they not, then that's

656
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: that's where I'm like, Hey, you got to get your

657
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: ship together.

658
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: But I know who my peers are, right, You know

659
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Speaker 1: who your peers are. You were just on a tour.

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: You when I met you, you were opening up for

661
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Speaker 1: Eric Bell. Though you don't have to shoot out.

662
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Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no, she's down playing herself and

663
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: I don't like you.

664
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Speaker 1: No New York Times bestseller.

665
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: We got to stop this.

666
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: No, but I get it.

667
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: But let's be very clear.

668
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I can say I know who my peers are. No, no, no,

669
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Speaker 1: And I think that that's where you have egos and

670
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: you have reality. That's what we're going to get into

671
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: when we talk even about the w NBA players coming up,

672
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be down for some ignorance and we're

673
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: going to determine value since you brought it right. So

674
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: I am aware with the people who like like Giovanni,

675
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: who may know that who her peers are going up

676
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: against certain roles, right, they know what role where they're

677
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: going to be at on the call sheet, and I

678
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: another black actress, whether they compare or not for me,

679
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: oh nigga. I know which podcasters are making similar to

680
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: about the same amount of money as me. I know

681
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: what I'm able to negotiate and the people who can't

682
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: negotiate what I negotiate.

683
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 3: I know that.

684
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: But I know my peers too, So I can look

685
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: at podcasters that know who's probably seeing equal, if not

686
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: more money than I am. In certain landscapes. I know

687
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: who they are. If you want me to listen to them,

688
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I can't. But I know who those people are. But

689
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I also know the people who can't touch this and

690
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: so and so I'm not I'm not ignorant to that.

691
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm not blinded to the fact, but I do believe.

692
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: That are there are there's people that are that that

693
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: don't really that maybe conflate.

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Speaker 1: I will say that they have a conflated idea of

695
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: what their value is.

696
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: How much how much onus does the check writer have

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00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 5: in vetting correctly the value of said Mandy Mini means.

698
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 6: So here's out side.

699
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Let's get it. Let's get into that.

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00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 6: Don't hold your weight, but they feel like they can manipulate.

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00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: The let's get into it. No, we're gonna run this down.

702
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Let's get out of podcasting. We're gonna start with where

703
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: this conversation started. During the w NBA All Star the

704
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: players came out and had on the pay us what

705
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: you owe shirts. Let me let me tell you how

706
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna break this down. We're gonna get into the

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Speaker 1: w n B A From there, I want us to

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: get into the New York Times article with Joe Budden

709
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: and what came out around that, and then we're going

710
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: to get into the paramount deal and what's a good

711
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: deal bad deal. But we're going to talk about from

712
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: this standpoint, the niggas cashing the checks and our views

713
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: on what the discrepancy or what the dilemma is or

714
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: what the disconnect is between who's right in the checks

715
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: and who's catching them. So, if you guys are not aware,

716
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: the WNBA players recently made headlines when they wore pay

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00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: us with You ost shirts while warming up before the

718
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five All Star Game in Indiana. Now why

719
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: they wore the shirts the West players or the WNBA

720
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: players union and the league. They are in months long negotiations,

721
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: months long negotiations over a new labor deal that is precedented,

722
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: on a TV deal that's coming through the pipeline.

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Speaker 2: Want to get there.

724
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: That is going to mind you, but it's still in

725
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: the works. So the players are looking for salary increases

726
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: amongst other things including scheduling flexibility and other benefits. For

727
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: those of you who may not know, there are players

728
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: that are making less than what a manager at foot

729
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: locker makes for the year, and it's what causes them

730
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: to have to go play overseas to make even more money.

731
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: And it's also where if y'all go in. I was

732
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: very ignorant in my takes early on about Angel Reese

733
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: and her wanting to be a podcaster over a WNBA player.

734
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: She has been fucking killing it this season, but also

735
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: it's where these players have to go get money from

736
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: all these other places as well. It's what we're seeing

737
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: also happen with artists. So what we need to know

738
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: the WNBA players currently receive nine point three percent of

739
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: the league revenue. In comparison, NBA players received nearly fifty percent,

740
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: damn of the revenue that's being in now.

741
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Speaker 4: Enough to the agency.

742
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: Period because ages get ten, lawyers get buys, managers get

743
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: anywhere from ten to twenty.

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Speaker 3: Rightfully, so isn't that because WNBA is a newer So so.

745
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: Here's the thing too with the WNBA, Yes and no,

746
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: the WNBA is pretty much held up as is a

747
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: sub entity of the n b A. So because the

748
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: NBA makes as much money as they make, there's arguments

749
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: that these w n b A players can get paid

750
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: because of course they have the money. However, as an entrepreneur,

751
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: let's get into it. This is a subsidiary of the

752
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: w of the n b A, and the w n

753
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: b A has been in the red is still in

754
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: the red. It's still not even though we have all

755
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: of the new eyes, these these big players, and we

756
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: see a surgeon's happening right now of people even having

757
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: interest in women's basketball. You ready, here's my comparison. Here's

758
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: my comparison, and y'all may not like my comparison, but

759
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: this is where in my mind.

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00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: You at least invest in it.

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00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Read this is what the w n b A players

762
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: look like to me before we play a clip, and

763
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: I want their opinions on on Kelsey Plump, Katie Plump.

764
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: It's k Plum. It's Kelsey Kelsey, right, I know it's

765
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: a white girl name. AnyWho, this is my comparison to

766
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: the past with you us and y'all are going to

767
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: kill me for this, but it's okay. It is the

768
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: same as a new podcast coming out and one of

769
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: the clips going viral. Okay, as a podcaster, you can't

770
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: go to a network and say, but this clip went viral,

771
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: pay me the money because look at all the views

772
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: and impressions on this clip. When as a podcast you

773
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: don't have enough views for me as a company to

774
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: pay in and see a return on investment those views,

775
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: those clips, the outfit, the outfits coming down the tunnel,

776
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: all of the content that we're seeing around the w

777
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: NBA and the presence of it being where it's at

778
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: does not give an ROI on what's happening until this

779
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: is made, and then before we play the clip, you

780
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: also have to realize they have to get out the hole.

781
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: So y'all now asking for money before we're out the

782
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: whole is going to further leave this league in the

783
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: hole to where now future w n b A players

784
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: they never get to see the money because now they're

785
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: constantly trying to climb themselves out of a hole.

786
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, ok, yes, I agree. However, however we love it. However, however, yes,

787
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: your example is valid. Let's pivot it just a little bit.

788
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: Let's pivot it.

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Speaker 4: The n b A is the first child. The w

790
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 4: n b A is a second child, okay you which.

791
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Speaker 1: Is now the Gatorade League.

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00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: By the way, Yes, so they get more money. The

793
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: league gets more money than w n b A players. Yes, yeah,

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00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: the Big Three now.

795
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Speaker 1: The Big Three. I don't think it's making you think

796
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Speaker 1: the Big three is making more?

797
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: I don't know yet.

798
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 6: But so now now is the advocacy issue.

799
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: So that's that's that's you're treating the w n b

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00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: A as the redheaded step child. You never invested in

801
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: it to begin with, because you did it as a

802
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 4: quota to please people.

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00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: To not seem as sexist, because clearly y'all wasn't letting women,

804
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: wasn't it right?

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00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: So you weren't. It was just the side hobby. It

806
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: was a tax right off for you.

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Speaker 1: The NBA. This is a we're looking at the door

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00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: or she's referring to me as the parent. These are

809
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: the children. But yes, in terms of a company structure, yes,

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00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: the w n B as.

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Speaker 4: They were huge, probably a huge tax right off. So

812
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: now that the times have changed and women's rights and

813
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: advocacy and everything else, and they're like, yo, why can't

814
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: we're We're just as good, if not better. Even the

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00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: OG basketball player said, Yo, my mom's what's his name?

816
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I can't think of the players?

817
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: No, because I know his mom was mom was?

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00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: They both got gold medals, right, like you never invested

819
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: in them to begin with. Yeah, So yes, I.

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00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: Completely and I'm not matter at that. By the way,

821
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Speaker 1: the new TV deal that's supposed to be starting in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, the inca's not dry yet though, And

823
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: that's my other thing. Is an eleven year, two point

824
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: two billion dollar deal.

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00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: Damn. So some money some money coming.

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Speaker 1: There's some money coming.

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Speaker 5: So they're projecting that this product is only going to

828
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Speaker 5: grow bigger and better.

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Speaker 6: That's what I would think. I go back to to

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Speaker 6: the age of it.

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Speaker 5: I think I think we'll start to see lucrative contracts.

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Speaker 6: As we get more Caitlin's, as we get.

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Speaker 4: More more pointing to it now as before nobody was

834
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: really talking about it. Female college basketball and that, and

835
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Speaker 4: now it's a thing so here.

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Speaker 1: That's why they went to Bread now that I get that,

837
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: because because you have to think about it too, these

838
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: players still have to go overseas. So the risk right

839
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Speaker 1: now of them getting injured and maybe not even ever

840
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: being able to see this money is a higher risk

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00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: because they have to play year round, which we see

842
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: most most athletes don't have to do.

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Speaker 4: Let's be very clear, looking their shelf life is a

844
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: lot shorter than males.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if there's been a deep dive

846
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: done to this in terms of By the way, this

847
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: is not a sports podcast, but I want you to

848
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: see how much I kind of be in this thing.

849
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: So if we look at the amount of ACL tears

850
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: that took place this year, even in the in the NBA, right,

851
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: it's coming right off of an Olympics run. It's coming

852
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: right off of where the NBA is expanding into the

853
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: overseas markets where every year I get to go to

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00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi. So to me, it's a it's a listen,

855
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: but it's a look on And I hate that it

856
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: took place to him during the finals. But at Jason

857
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: Tatum he did. He went all the way to the

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00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: finals one year one win again or I don't know

859
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: if they won last year now year before won. The

860
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: year before he went from the finals, won the Ring

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00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: Celtics win. He goes from there to the Olympics, he

862
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: goes from there to abib Is preseason, he goes from

863
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: there back to regular season and then they go all

864
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: the way through the playoffs again just for him to

865
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Speaker 1: end up tearing his A c L in the playoffs.

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00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: But there's a mix of your body, right, Achilles say

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Speaker 1: a cl.

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Speaker 9: N L.

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Speaker 1: A goddamn doctors.

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Speaker 6: Got a significant injury.

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Speaker 1: It's a significant injury. But we saw that it took

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00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: place to five other players that are prominent players within

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00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: the league that probably throughout are going to where they're going,

874
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: don't He's a podcast.

875
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 5: When he did the Olympics and then he did the

876
00:45:54,440 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 5: Knicks playoffs regular season, could the like that's.

877
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 9: Still that's still an exception to the rules.

878
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: I think it's not going sports and.

879
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Well, well, this is where I want to take it

880
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: a little bit away from because we're talking about well,

881
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: it's what you negotiated, it's what you're owed. A King

882
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: likes to call Drake Lobbry Graham because.

883
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 6: He's now I don't I got that from Twitter chatter.

884
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Well, I want to play a clip because we we

885
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: went from w n B A. I want to talk

886
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: about NBA players because you would think that an NBA

887
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: player with the amount of money that they're seeing this

888
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: year would have no quorums or reason to complain about

889
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: pay right. I have a clip that I want to

890
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: play and I would love y'all takes on Steph Curry

891
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: and what he recently had to say on an interview

892
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: with Speedy Mormon. Can we get that clip up to

893
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: play front? Don't do that? Yeah, I don't like here

894
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: we go. I think you guys are underpaid.

895
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 8: I think because the way the CBA is structured right now,

896
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 8: we can't participate in equity. And that's a big deal

897
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 8: because you know, it is a partnership with ownership. It's

898
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 8: a partnership with the league, and we're on the short

899
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 8: term of that revenue, right, Like those numbers sound crazy,

900
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 8: but what the league is doing from whatever whatever area

901
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 8: you want to compare it to to now is probably

902
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 8: you know ten XTA. So like, uh, the idea that

903
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 8: we can't participate in equity while we're playing is a

904
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Speaker 8: part of why I would say, yes, we are underpaid,

905
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 8: because you want to be able to participate in that

906
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 8: and that rise.

907
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: Now real quick. I want to give y'all because I

908
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: love that I have Jason as a producer here. He

909
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: put up some stats and then I want to take

910
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: year comments on it because this is essentially what we're

911
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 1: seeing with the lawsuit against UMG as well. Why there's

912
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: this issue between Drake and Ung. This is being expressed.

913
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: So Steph Curry believes he's underpaid, and the reason is

914
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: because the team was recently purchased for four hundred and

915
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. It was originally purchased for four hundred

916
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: and fifty million the last time it was sold. The

917
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: value of the Golden State Warriors is now nine billion dollars.

918
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: Since Steph Curry and all the rings for sure, and

919
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: all the things right now. Economists have long suggested that

920
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: Lebron has been underpaid his entire career. Lebron, who is

921
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: a billionaire by the way, in twenty fourteen, when he

922
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: was capped at a max of twenty million dollars a year,

923
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: calculations suggested that he should have been making fifty three

924
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Now that he's making fifty a

925
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: million year, the revenue he generated for the Lakers or

926
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers or the Miami Heat studies show in

927
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: an open market that he should have and would have

928
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Speaker 1: in a profit sharing model been making seventy five to

929
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: one hundred million a year. And this is where we

930
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: get into again y'all's faces in the video. I hope

931
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: we can have zoom in because off y'all, because you're

932
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: the thing like as y'all were hearing step Curry say

933
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: that he's been underpaid, or economists arguing that Lebron James

934
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: has been underpaid. I get it when we're talking about

935
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: athletes making eighty thousand dollars a year, but for multimillionaires

936
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: to be saying it, or for people to be arguing

937
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: that a billionaire is underpaid both of y'all's faces. I

938
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: want to know y'alls thoughts on what y'all just heard.

939
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: And if you believe that we should then also as

940
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: employees be taking or asking for equity stakes and companies.

941
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Speaker 3: Yes, but the negotiation to stop this, Oh, study ship

942
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 3: what nigga studies?

943
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Speaker 6: Niggas are the.

944
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: Only people that are mad after the fact of what

945
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: they already agree to.

946
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Speaker 1: No, I think white people are too. Maybe we just

947
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: don't talk to enough of that.

948
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Speaker 3: Anybody that does that to me don't understand business. If

949
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: you're that concerned about being underpaid, start another league, go

950
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: somewhere and do it all over.

951
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 9: But by the way, side of context was because this

952
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 9: is what was happening on Twitter with it, Speedy asked him.

953
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 6: He didn't, he didn't just come out.

954
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: No, I'm not cooking on Steph. What I'm saying is,

955
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: I know majority black people. If I if we're in

956
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: the in line for to go get a play of food,

957
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: I get a play of food. I get I tell

958
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: them how much they gonnacoop or I let them scoop

959
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: and don't say anything.

960
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: I walk around, sit at the table.

961
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: I see the other nigga get double mac Oh, I

962
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: hate niggas like that.

963
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: That that's the most stupid, like.

964
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: You, someone that would be mad at the person.

965
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: You cannot That's a bad trait. That's a really bad

966
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: trait in business to me. And now I get it

967
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 3: when when the increase happens. Now, yes, Steph Lebron, they're

968
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 3: a huge like Caitlyn Clark, you got angel rees because

969
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: if you want to say, pay me what you owe us. Besides,

970
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 3: like the girls that are more skilled than them and

971
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: put in the work, we get that they deserve a

972
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: high pay later too. But them two girls created the

973
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: crazy rivalry, the swag, the social media presence, so they

974
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: might deserve the bigger check. To me, if I agree

975
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 3: to something in business, your leverage comes from this. Once

976
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: that term is over. Now, when I come back to renegotiate,

977
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: I have two choices. I'm gonna go and demand what

978
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: I know that you owe me, or I'm gonna go

979
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: somewhere else what you probably won't do because you because

980
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: you don't want to put in that work of the

981
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: people who started that business and went in the red.

982
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: Because when shit's in the red, y'all never did y'all

983
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 3: never there. If a company right now will say the

984
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: w NBA goes, we owe two billion dollars. I bet

985
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: you none of those skillful dass players will go, oh,

986
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: I'll pitch in fifty with you to get us back

987
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 3: into the green and earn. It's always when our best

988
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: it pays off. Now it's like, oh, but but I

989
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: should be well, yeah, now that that person that's running

990
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: this company should doesn't have to be like, you know what,

991
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 3: I just made a seventy percent increase. I'm gonna bust

992
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: down half of this to everybody that I feel like

993
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: is a part and is with this, and that that's.

994
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: Gonna make them come back the second term.

995
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: Well, which is why they have a which is why

996
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: the NBA has a players Association. I'm not sure if

997
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: the w NBA does, but I'm.

998
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 9: Actually they do to the TV deal while they're doing it.

999
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 5: Union, well, it's part of the CBA. It's part of

1000
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 5: the collective bargaining agreement. I think what Steph is saying

1001
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 5: when you measure what they've been getting as it's to

1002
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 5: the earnings, not that they can't do nothing past what

1003
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: the collective bargaining agreement allows them to, so even if

1004
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 5: they want it, even Lebronson, I want eighty million. It's

1005
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 5: not even logical for the Lakers to give him eighty

1006
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 5: million when they have other players to pay under the

1007
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 5: collective Bargain agreement. However, still it's good to measure. Say, man,

1008
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 5: look what I've done for the league. Can I I was.

1009
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: Gonna say, I was gonna say, that's what I really

1010
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: liked about what Side also just said. If we think

1011
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: about even let's dumb this down. I know we're talking

1012
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: about millionaires in w n b A and NBA and

1013
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: all those things. If we take it to a company

1014
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: a job, say even as a Walmart or any of

1015
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: the companies recently that we saw go out of business, right,

1016
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: would an employee offer to say, yo, I really want

1017
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: to see this company thrive, all pitching or take less

1018
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: to get y'all out the green because I believe this

1019
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: company will grow. I like what you just said to

1020
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: where As employees, we're not making sure the bottom line

1021
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: is met. At a lot of the companies or institutions

1022
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: that we're working for.

1023
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: We're not not even buying supplies. Cut the ship. We

1024
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: got to stop.

1025
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: Bro Ey, I said, give me a laptop. Oh wait,

1026
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: I got, I got how much money over a staples.

1027
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm not buying my marks sifling.

1028
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: This but but that, but that goes into my part

1029
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: about we got to stop the color bullshit and where

1030
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: man where many was right and y'all all right, is

1031
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: companies now, even in music, even in film whatever that

1032
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: what they know. What they do is they go this person,

1033
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 3: this brand, and these are their numbers.

1034
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 6: You're right, they are doing that.

1035
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: But where I feel like, okay, if that standard for

1036
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: those high numbers, say somebody's making a million dollars.

1037
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: Right, and you go, what the next person should make

1038
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: a million?

1039
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: Well, that's not all equal to me as well too,

1040
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 3: because I might see, Okay, this new artist in this

1041
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 3: last year is generating a million dollars, right, and then

1042
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: this other person is generating a million, but you're new.

1043
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: But if I see somebody like me who've been out,

1044
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: like k Camp for instance, he's been out. I was

1045
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: just talking to him about this. K Camp has been

1046
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: generating money for over a decade. So just because y'all going, oh,

1047
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: the number, it's not the same because his legwork is different.

1048
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: So then based off of quality of work, then.

1049
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: Now that's the part.

1050
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: That's the part they don't give a fuck about about quality.

1051
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: That goes back to standard though.

1052
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but the corporations don't care about quality.

1053
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 4: But if that's what you're asking for of an employee,

1054
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: I gotta feel like you're investing in me enough to

1055
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 4: want to invest back in you. It needs to be reciprocal,

1056
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: and it is not.

1057
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: But also what I heard you say too, is you

1058
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: mentioned the Angel Reces, you mentioned the Caitlin Clarks that

1059
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: we know are are really the boom of this of

1060
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: the w NBA right now, right.

1061
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: Speaking from average consumer?

1062
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, as an average consumer, are you saying give them raises,

1063
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: give them bonuses? But the other girls who aren't really

1064
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: as No.

1065
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: I ain't saying give nobody nothing. I'm not in the business,

1066
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 3: but I will say this, and I'm saying this.

1067
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: For my business.

1068
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: But you ain't in a chest no no, no, no, no

1069
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 4: no no.

1070
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: My eye is just on the culture. I ain't nobody business.

1071
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm in the culture.

1072
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 4: But talk about culture. We're talking about business.

1073
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: No, no, now, now we're talking about the culture. Yeah, they're

1074
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: making any money.

1075
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: I don't know who making what, But I will say this,

1076
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: I'm speaking from an average consumer, not an entrepreneur.

1077
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 2: Here, I ain't give a fuck about the w NBA

1078
00:55:59,440 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: at all.

1079
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: You know, the first game I actually planned to watch

1080
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: from females, it was when it was when Caitlyn Clark

1081
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: and Angel Reese was beefing and she went like this,

1082
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 3: but that was even.

1083
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: A college game.

1084
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 6: That was a college.

1085
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you the culture shifted when they

1086
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: really made it popular when that game happened and they

1087
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: started bashing Angel for doing what Caitlyn already did.

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00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: And saying she wasn't she wasn't sportsman like.

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00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: Right then they met and she kicked ass in the

1090
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: championship and she won that ring. That's when the whole

1091
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: world was like, hold up, this ship's lit for real.

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00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: These little girls can hoop. I'm talking about the people

1093
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: that weren't watching them now I'm like hold on, I'm

1094
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: like hold on, Caitlyn and uh and Angel about to play.

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00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm tuning in now. That transferred over to the did.

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00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: You said that too? Because when we talk about culture

1097
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: shifts and things that we're seeing right before our eyes,

1098
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: it's why, starting even from a college game, it's why

1099
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: the NIL is now paying these college players what they

1100
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: believe they've been worth. This whole time, the money that

1101
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: goes back into these you know, diversities, the money that's

1102
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: made off of the Jersey sales. We see celebrities now

1103
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: going wherever Deon Sanders is. And we've seen him get

1104
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: Mississippi U Mississippi State, right, he went for Mississippi State,

1105
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: Jackson State. He went from Jackson State. Now he's in

1106
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: Boulder in Colorado, and we're seeing the influx of even

1107
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: what monetary up tick he's having in these college institutions.

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00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: Sacrifice one fault. He fought for those younger people to

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00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: come up and gain. Yeah, we do understand that, but

1110
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: but let's always be clear of this. We're in America

1111
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: just just and I don't want to get too deeper.

1112
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: While we was freed out to get from slavery and then,

1113
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: but it was really a financial gain, not really what

1114
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: was right and wrong. Right, I'm gonna say this, those

1115
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: white people whoever in control of this, only decided to

1116
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: finally start doing that when they figured out a way

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00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: for them to still make more than the athletes that

1118
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: they're paying. Anyway, that's the only reason shit get shifted

1119
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: like that. It's because the.

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: Owners were able to still find a way to make

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00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: more money than what.

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00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: If you see a young kid now getting If you

1123
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: see a young kid getting a million dollars, there's a

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00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: white dude at the end of that hallway making a

1125
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. Whatever fluctuates to that deal happened. I

1126
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: guarantee that's the.

1127
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: Only way to relate the slavery. I'm not what I

1128
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: because because I'm making the own rules.

1129
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, it's like the Step.

1130
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, step, it's capped like Step, the capped Stepp's value.

1131
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 3: Ye say, I'm okay, y'all complaining about this. Let me

1132
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: figure out a way to make them happy. But at

1133
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: the end of this, okay, we'll give him honey, they were.

1134
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: Happy, you know, I because they signed that something in

1135
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: that deal. On this ha.

1136
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: You nothing without making nothing, You're you're trying to get paid.

1137
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: I guess that's what even the conversations.

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00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Are Captain ring investor or like fakes.

1139
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: Salary, No, no, no, oh my god, you gotta be specific

1140
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: on Well, then I do want to know, because we're

1141
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: talking about there's a way for people to make money.

1142
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 9: Uh.

1143
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: Joe Budden recently made headlines his New York Times article

1144
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: Mind you. This came after a leak of a screen

1145
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: shot where the screenshots showed that he was making an

1146
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: excess of nine hundred thousand dollars a month on patre Hu.

1147
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 6: Say the timeline you said, I'm not here, he posted it.

1148
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: Do you want to know my personal thoughts on this

1149
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: in terms of how narcissists UH move about in our

1150
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: day Today live. I think Joe is a brilliant podcaster.

1151
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: I like Joe. I have a love hate relationship with him.

1152
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: I wish I hated him more, but I don't. I

1153
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: think that he is great as a content creator. Might

1154
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: not ever do business with him again? Possibly we just

1155
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: we didn't. We don't see business the same way, and

1156
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I would work with Ian again if

1157
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: me and Ian could get on the same page, which

1158
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: let's be very clear, towards the end of my deal,

1159
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to Joe. I spoke to Ian, so

1160
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: there maybe he learned some things. I don't know, but

1161
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: it's possible.

1162
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: Drum. I'm just asking.

1163
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: That's fine in terms to before we break down our

1164
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: thoughts on this article and where it stands. The reason

1165
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: why I do also believe it was leaked and because

1166
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: a king you brought up timing. Maybe a week or

1167
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: two prior to that screenshot being leaked, there was a

1168
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: list that was dropped with all of the streamers and

1169
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: content creators and the money that they make. And I

1170
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: think that as a narcissist, there was something in his

1171
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: soul that was mad that he was not a part

1172
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: of this conversation. So you have the Kai Sanats, you

1173
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: have the Mister Beasts, you have the Drew Skis, you

1174
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: have people who he considers his peers as well. Let's

1175
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: be very clear, him and drewski are right next to

1176
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: each other on the Prize Picks commercials, and so you

1177
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: have all of these creators who are making these tens, twenties, thirties,

1178
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: one hundred million a year some and his name isn't mentioned.

1179
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: So he said, you.

1180
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: Know what I'm gonna show you.

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01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: Y'all motherfuckers ain't putting no respect on my name. I'm

1182
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. He leaked that because even if you just

1183
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: do the math right, this isn't counting any of his

1184
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: prize pects, money, endorsements, or anything else. Nigga. We know

1185
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: that Nigga makes about twelve million a year just off

1186
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: a Patreon. We also know this episode is brought to

1187
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: you by Prize Day's paying over here. But what I'm

1188
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: saying is you have twelve million dollars now accounted for

1189
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: probably another seven eight figure deal with this. He's like,

1190
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: y'all gonna put some motherfucking respect on my name because

1191
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: I built this shit from the ground up. Now the

1192
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: show is the Joe, but the podcast, he built that

1193
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: shit from the ground up. I've been a fan since

1194
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: it was will name this podcast later. I've seen Joe

1195
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: on streams with fucking Tahiri. I've seen him on the

1196
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: internet since Twitter became a thing. Joe is in our space.

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: I know you we talked about the Combat Jack show

1198
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: with podcasting. I know a lot of people like to

1199
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 1: give credit to as well to tex Stone and other

1200
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: pioneers of this. Joe. I can't take it from him.

1201
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: This nigga been trying to find a way. Joe is

1202
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: he Joe Is he?

1203
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 6: No?

1204
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 9: No?

1205
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 6: Maybe fifteen I think he.

1206
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 5: I mean posts, well, he probably was doing this rapping

1207
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 5: at the same time he was on radio radio and

1208
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 5: then he had a Joe Budden TV he did, he

1209
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 5: did the ship with show he's been doing.

1210
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's definitely he created the leverage.

1211
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: The money he makes.

1212
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,479
Speaker 6: Yes, he earned it, earned it without a doubt, without

1213
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 6: a doubt.

1214
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: Here was which I think was a little bit too

1215
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: much information to be going into a New York Times article,

1216
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: But somehow someone decided to share that. With the twenty

1217
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: million dollars that he is estimated to make in twenty

1218
01:02:54,320 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: twenty five, he pays his elective hosts about one point

1219
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: five million dollars in.

1220
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: Salary fall in total.

1221
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that includes ice Parks, Ish Mel how many

1222
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: flip Flip THEMANI and Mark so seven. I don't have

1223
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: to be a different pool park. Well, Parks gets probably

1224
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: an engineer pay, but there's probably an addition that's throat

1225
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: in his talent. And then you do have pot wives.

1226
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't think everyone is making six figures, yes, solid right.

1227
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,479
Speaker 1: Wrong with that, right, folks. Wrong with that is when

1228
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: you see that you're part of a product that's bringing

1229
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: in twenty million. Yeah, step Steph Curry Lebron and now

1230
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: you and now you have these these people who sit

1231
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: next to you and do technically the same job as

1232
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: you and are earning a significant amount less. Well, no again,

1233
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's where we go into. So then what

1234
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this, because the Internet said, what

1235
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: was the Jason overall? What was the Internet's response to

1236
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: finding out this money? I think it was split.

1237
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 9: The positive side of congratulations, yes, the negative side is

1238
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 9: I can't believe people pay for this when I could

1239
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 9: just go to the barbershop and watch this.

1240
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 4: But somebody and then there was the.

1241
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: And then there's more idiots.

1242
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 6: But that's but you're not a real nigga.

1243
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: You don't give them what you're making. Shut the fuck up.

1244
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 4: But it's not about giving him what they made. So

1245
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 4: from a business standpoint, he is a brand. He is

1246
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 4: an entity. Yes, him, the pot the Joe Button podcast

1247
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 4: a brand.

1248
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: Don't put off better cooks off.

1249
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 4: She got to pay. He gotta cover all the expenses,

1250
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 4: the expenses, the waterfront. What was that million?

1251
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: They did talk about the but he pays he bought it.

1252
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 4: He bought it, bought it. But it's in that is

1253
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 4: equity within the podcast. You got to pay the.

1254
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: Other the other. And it does say he has about

1255
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: a team of thirty.

1256
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 4: People, right, so you got to pay all of them.

1257
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: And after you paid, after you have a certain amount

1258
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 4: of employees, you've got to give them health insurance, benefits like.

1259
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, they're independent contractors.

1260
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 4: Ah, so that's how you got around that.

1261
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: He got around having to pay for health care. There's

1262
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of complaints about that too, because they're working

1263
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: some of them, probably majority of them full time hours.

1264
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: But when you agree to be an independent contractor, you

1265
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: also can't complain that you got to pay for health

1266
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: care and now you also have to be responsible for

1267
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: your own taxes. So yeah, no, this is not set

1268
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: up as a W two type of contract. This is well,

1269
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: he's the he's the business owner. Okay, go ahead side.

1270
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: What are you Okay, he got independent contractors. Yeah, so

1271
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 4: that's how you get around the taxes and everything for that.

1272
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 4: So are your talent now considered independent contractor?

1273
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: They are too, they are also independent contractor. You don't

1274
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: like that.

1275
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 4: Union, huh, it's not that it needs to be the

1276
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 4: charge if we are there together as a brand. Yes,

1277
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: I think you should pay them a little bit more

1278
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 4: more or benefits. That's something that's what you want.

1279
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: That's what you negotiate. Okay, Okay, we'll not the fine.

1280
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 6: Have a problem. I have a huge talking from a.

1281
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: Standpoint, okay, which they are on video weekly, So there's

1282
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: a I ain't gonna lie. Males should at least be

1283
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: asking for wardrobe, hair and makeup, but.

1284
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 4: Are not getting that either.

1285
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 6: I don't think she's getting that out.

1286
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: My this episode game, My tea sucks.

1287
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: I think she should at least be asking for that.

1288
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 4: But back to a wardrobe show, back to a television

1289
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: show standard, because again, not that if you're doing podcasts,

1290
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 4: there's a whole there's new contracts and stuff with it.

1291
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 4: But if you're if you're doing this purely as independent

1292
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 4: contractors or whatnot, of course they're not going to get

1293
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 4: the W two like you said. But when a show structure,

1294
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 4: you have to pay them all of those things and

1295
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 4: more because it's it's part of the show. It's part

1296
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 4: of the deal. If that is your cast, then you

1297
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 4: need to pay your cast.

1298
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: So I do like we are all in agreement. Let

1299
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: me make sure we are all in agreement that Joe

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Speaker 1: deserves and is owed his twenty million plus years. We

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Speaker 1: are not on the same but we're saying, but we're

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Speaker 1: not on this. I agree. No, he's worth every cent. No, no,

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: he's worth every cent. And he did I think that

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01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: he gonna see a hundred mil before it's all over.

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01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: I think he's he's otis absolutely, However, we are saying

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Speaker 1: that his cast should be negotiating for more. By the way,

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Speaker 1: real quick, for anyone listening, this is a study by Riverside,

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: and I want y'all to know too what podcasters are

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01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: making out here. So as a rough estimate, the average

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: podcaster will only make between Now this is a wide

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01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: range because it depends on if it's a mid roll,

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01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: all the things, how many times it's in there. Yeah,

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: three hundred to five thousand an episode, and that's with

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01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: getting about ten thousand views.

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Speaker 2: I like that statu right, deo, Now that's a healthy

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01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: stat mind you.

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01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: We also just saw, and I'm not sure if y'all saw,

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: Joej's posted his Patreon had three thirty seven point five

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: million impressions in the last thirty days. So if we're

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Speaker 1: even looking at just numbers and gambits, he's making the

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Speaker 1: money because he's getting the numbers. And so for me,

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Speaker 1: I think, and you said, well they're making six figures,

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01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: that's a good enough thing. What made you say that?

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: Do you think that? Because she clearly thinks they should

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01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: be negotiating for a little bit more. But what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on knowing that he's making twenty million and

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: he's paying seven people.

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Speaker 4: They add value to the brand.

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Speaker 2: I ain't say they didn't.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep it butt.

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: You could have told me they was making fifty I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck because bro, show me show

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 3: me a I don't care, and yes, they bring value.

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01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 3: I don't care if it was a nigga on there

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 3: saying I'm doing this just for exposure.

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Speaker 1: Cool, All, okay, do you care about.

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 2: Good, good fucking questions? I like you, though, Do you

1338
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: care about I care about great business? Period? Right?

1339
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 3: Show me a motherfucker on this earth that goes to

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 3: interview at a job and in the middle of that

1341
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 3: interview they go hold on real quick before you hire me,

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Speaker 3: and don't hire me.

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: How much is your CEO making?

1344
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 3: Show me one motherfucking person that ever did it at

1346
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 3: an interview, black, white or alien.

1347
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: We gotta what did the internet thing? Of course we

1348
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: know what the internet thought, bro, or.

1349
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: You making this your people should be No, you only

1350
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 3: gonna make what you earn. Then you can negotiate and

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01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: have leverage for it. We're gonna keep on saying this,

1352
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 3: and every we gotta stop. Let's repeat that, so these

1353
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 3: niggas understand and hold on, hold on, g Not one

1354
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 3: of you niggas that ain't putting none of this work,

1355
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 3: Joe or Me or Mandy or Gig, anybody in this

1356
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 3: room put in. Have ever went to an interview and

1357
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: did that, y'all. Don't do this ship the Starbucks, y'all.

1358
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: Don't do this ship the McDonald You stripper holes. Don't

1359
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 3: even do that ship at your motherfucking clubs. Y'all. Name

1360
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 3: me a slipper at Magic City that knows what the

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 3: owner makes at the motherfucking Magic City.

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Speaker 2: They don't know.

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: You can't ask me that girl, Get your ass something

1364
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: and pop that pussy and make your bag shut the

1365
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: fuck up. I just told my keep show me and

1366
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 3: show me any of you niggas on earth that have

1367
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: made anybody one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: You niggas ain't making nobody no money.

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Speaker 1: Y'all disagree, they're making moneybody being a part of the brand.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, not them. I'm saying.

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: The people complaining about that factory haven't put nobody on.

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: Y'all have never made a nigga ten thousand dollars. When

1373
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: do you ever put your own nigga on a ten

1374
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: thousand dollars play to complain about what another nigga paying

1375
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Speaker 3: another nigga. Okay, so I don't like Yeah, wrong?

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 6: That give me a deep Swedish what's the shirt saying? Yes,

1377
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 6: black men need the No, we need meditation.

1378
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: No, we need a fucking class on business.

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Speaker 6: Yes we need you.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna say something to you negating that. But you

1381
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 4: know your value perfect? If you know your value perfect example,

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 4: I'll give you some white people to look at the

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 4: cast of Friends.

1384
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,440
Speaker 2: Here we got shout the phoebe ahead.

1385
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 4: A million dollars an episode because they knew their value

1386
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 4: and what they brought to.

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Speaker 2: The net and white. But go ahead, if I.

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Speaker 4: Said, I'm giving you just an example, Yeah, how's that

1389
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,440
Speaker 4: an example that I'm why don't white crime as business?

1390
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: Was that you sing about the first season they share

1391
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: fucking not because they aren't there? Fucking level came back

1392
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: and they.

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01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 4: Got to calm down.

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: Period.

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01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 4: There's wrong. There's nothing wrong with being passionate, but I'm

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01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 4: trying to have a conversation with you.

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01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: Come on, no, no, no, okay, go ahead, go ahead, Okay,

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: when Friends negotiated for the million dollar episode, of course

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Speaker 1: it was I'm not talking about the first episode.

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the three seasons, talk about after

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01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: they got everything, and I'm given that the same example

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 4: for the people who are on Joe but podcast.

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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: They they've been there that time, they've been time they've been.

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: But she's talking about after No, after.

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 1: The first season. It's after the first season. They've definitely

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01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: been there for some time.

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Speaker 2: So so has nobody gotten raised on Joe? We don't.

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01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm asking the question, has anybody gotten paid more

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01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 3: from the first season to now?

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, we told them.

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Speaker 1: They often talk about their contract negotiations on air, so yes,

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: they've constantly negotiated their contracts. So I will say I

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Speaker 1: agree with g on this where yes, over time, if

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: you believe your value to be something, you need to

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Speaker 1: sit down in those rooms, whether you're across from a

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01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: Joe and Ian or the executives at Paramount or CBS

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01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: or wherever your air is, and you negotiate your worth

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: and guess what you will get paid. Not only would

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you think you're old, but what someone Essentially, your

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01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: your pay is always determined on what someone will pay

1421
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: you and what you negotiate.

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Speaker 4: And they went in collective collectively, Yes, the same people,

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 4: the friends did it, the cast, the Big Bang Theory

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 4: did it. There are several people who have done that.

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Speaker 2: They know, like they went together in the meeting, all

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: And so where we were talking to Yeah, but where

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: and that's where we were talking about white unions and

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: we need to get back to.

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Speaker 4: Period hold very much.

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Speaker 1: So she just brought it to bind you. You've been

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: saying what she just said just a little bit more

1433
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: eloquently that yes, if we're gonna keep bringing up color

1434
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: and race and how we navigate business, her showing that

1435
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: these white people all collectively went to these other white

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01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: people and pretty much made sure that they were given

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: what they're saying, what they're owed. So from her questioning

1438
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: around what's happening over at the JVP, essentially what she's

1439
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: saying is if they collectively think that their their value

1440
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: is more and they should be paid more, collectively is

1441
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: a unit of seven, they all need to go in

1442
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: and negotiate a raise. It shouldn't just be the staggering

1443
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: of contracts as to whenever one is up and one

1444
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: is that is.

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01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 4: Easier because it puts the pressure back on this.

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01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: Because he can't get rid of all seven niggs. He

1447
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: can get rid of one or two, and you could.

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 4: Value the whole the reason why people are investing you.

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01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, but it's why. Also we saw

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: a person like what and there's value in education and

1451
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: knowing that this is a possibility, right because we saw

1452
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: this happen with Chamellionaire. So Chamellionaire was able to buy

1453
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: back his his his money, his master's but only because

1454
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: he went in. They didn't want to let him out

1455
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: of his deal. They didn't want to pay him the

1456
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: money because they said that you still owe us. Actually

1457
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: we don't want to pay you what you think you're worth.

1458
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: He said, as a matter of fact, say Less had

1459
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: an auditor come in audit some shit got paid off,

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: and then he said, guess what, not only do you

1461
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: hold on, not only do you owe me my knowledge?

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: Lets me know that I'm valuable in the knowledge I have,

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: and it's so valuable and something that will dismantle what

1464
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: you got going on that if I go teach other motherfuckers.

1465
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: That this is what they need to do, which is

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01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: why he's so black balled.

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: Now right, Well, it lets you very clear he's blackballed because,

1468
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: as you're saying, information is important.

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01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: And they don't want here's the thing.

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: As an individualistic goddamn society and how we're set up too.

1471
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: He was like, pay me back my shit or else.

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: He got what he was owed and kept all of

1473
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: that information to himself, which is why now not only

1474
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: maybe he's blackballed from whatever agency, was that information about

1475
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: how he got his ship and he ain't. He ain't

1476
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: out here sharing that information because he got his money.

1477
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 4: And Randy, you could have lit the whole script. They

1478
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 4: say very thing that you was gabbing about earlier to day.

1479
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 4: Niggas don't teach other niggas how to put on game.

1480
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 4: That is a perfect example. Put nobody on game.

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: He got his money he did though, No, he did.

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 2: He went on the interviews and said he ordered it.

1483
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't tell people that.

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 9: That's not being public about it.

1485
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: I thought he went public and said, go make sure

1486
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 3: you can afford the order. Yeah, but he made me

1487
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 3: he didn't. Yeah, but cool, that's because you know he didn't, not.

1488
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 4: To the degree that she was gabbing about earlier. If

1489
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 4: people need to understand.

1490
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: He didn't really put you on game because cool, go

1491
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: get an orderedor nigga, I was an accountant. What what then?

1492
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 4: What what that need to look for?

1493
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: Well, well, that's the job of an auditor.

1494
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 3: The auditor goes and finds out what the company either

1495
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 3: stole or did not pay out. So either there's only

1496
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 3: two ways the orderer can go colet they either found

1497
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: out that that company made a mistake allegedly and then

1498
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: they go find out and go, well, you actually didn't

1499
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 3: pay this out right, maybe you type this one in

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01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 3: wrong or two you're actually you actually are stealing.

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: But imagine, but also imagine the rabbit hole of the team.

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01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: We also talked about people have agents, lawyers, managers, So

1503
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: imagine now you having to go through No, she had

1504
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: the three people, So you just hiring an auditor, you

1505
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: have three other people that technically will also all need

1506
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: to be audited because she is sitting here at the

1507
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: beckon of this team. It's what we just see. What

1508
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: athlete just came out and said that they're oh I

1509
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: think it was actually I saw an interview with Michael Beasley.

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Speaker 1: He talked about how his CPA, his accountant, was so

1511
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: many millions, and so when you talk about auditing audit,

1512
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: you can't just run to a label and audit. There's

1513
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: a list of people, whatever channels the millionaire was able

1514
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: to go through. However, he did it to where he

1515
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: literally got somebody got. He ain't shared that whole timeline.

1516
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: And I do want to be before we got out

1517
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: of here, because we have to get into it because

1518
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,799
Speaker 1: when we talk about deals consequences, good deals, bad deals,

1519
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: the president is currently involved in some shit where he's

1520
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: canceling shows, he's telling people what they can and cannot do.

1521
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about TV deals from a

1522
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: paramount perspective. But also, baby, this is why you here.

1523
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: Now there's been a recent clip. Do we have the

1524
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: clip to player no of Drake Bell? Okay, well I

1525
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: have the quote here.

1526
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 6: I just the quote here.

1527
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: Okay. So Drake Bell, who was also on Nickelodeon, recently

1528
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:54,520
Speaker 1: spoke about residuals and spoke about this not what are those?

1529
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: He said, It's not a thing for him. He signed

1530
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: almost as an employee. He got a salary, and his

1531
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: deal did not include residuals. Residuals, for those of you

1532
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: who do not know, is why we hear so many

1533
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: of our old television stars still getting checks to this

1534
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: day because they were on linear television. Now, in terms

1535
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: of this, a lot of these linear cable networks either

1536
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: were merged are all a part of now these entities

1537
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 1: that are streaming. So he said, the perception of the

1538
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: world has always been this way. Oh, you made a

1539
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: Folger's coffee commercial. You must live in a mansion in Hollywood.

1540
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: I saw you on TV. You're rich. He said this

1541
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: on the Unplanned podcast, he said, and that's far from

1542
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: the case, which is the bummer for most of us

1543
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: on Nickelodeon. We don't get residuals for our shows. Now.

1544
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: Residuals are how most people in TV, writers, actors all

1545
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: get paid basically every time the show airs, every time

1546
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: a song gets played on the radio, if we turn

1547
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: it into music, right, they's guaranteed for a check to

1548
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: come in the mail. Well, that's not happening.

1549
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 4: For a very long time now, is it.

1550
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: Because it's an outdated thing that we're seeing that streaming

1551
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: is new and so your lawyer didn't know to bake

1552
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: it into the contract. What Because that's what we're seeing

1553
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: with the timeline between artists with physical copies and streams. Right,

1554
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 1: the deals look different now, is it? Because as a

1555
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: child start being in the early two thousands that streaming

1556
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: wasn't even considered in the deals.

1557
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: What is what's happening?

1558
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 6: Right?

1559
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 4: So if we go back to the early two thousands

1560
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: or like mid two thousands, first writer strike happened? Writer

1561
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 4: strike yep, Okay, they went.

1562
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: That well because every a certain amount of time there's a.

1563
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 4: Renegotiations, negotiations or union contract.

1564
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: There we go.

1565
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 4: So when a lot of those kids shows, it was

1566
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 4: actually two different unions. There was aftra yes and SAG.

1567
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: Okay, SAG is now SAG.

1568
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 4: They merged together. So a lot of those shows contracts

1569
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 4: her underneath aftra.

1570
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 5: Hm.

1571
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 4: Pretty much every child stars show, kids show programming, whatever

1572
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 4: is underneath afterra meaning you do not get residuals oh.

1573
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 4: Raven was the only child show or children's television that

1574
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 4: was SAG.

1575
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: How do yeah?

1576
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 4: Because she had belverage oh.

1577
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: And she earned that from where she was.

1578
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: She was before she's been, she'd been.

1579
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 4: In the games that she was three. She had the

1580
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 4: wisdom from Bill Cosby because he was the one who

1581
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: told her make that show SAG.

1582
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh. So even though.

1583
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 4: Bill was giving out the game to everybody that's.

1584
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: We're not taking it there.

1585
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a whole When they merge, we started to

1586
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 4: get a little bit of residuals, but them checks was

1587
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 4: like two three dollars if that. But that that was

1588
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 4: the industry standard. So again, yes, when I my first

1589
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 4: season of all that, I didn't have the quote unquote

1590
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 4: leverage to get more money or whatever. Second season all that, yeah,

1591
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 4: I got some more money, not as much as I

1592
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 4: should have been paid, right, Third season got more money,

1593
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 4: worked more.

1594
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: But all that, there.

1595
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 4: Was nothing in there about streaming because that technology.

1596
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 2: And everything didn't exist, damn.

1597
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 4: And then those same standards and contracts still grandfathered over

1598
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 4: when the both unions merged. In now here we are

1599
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 4: on the early two thousand, mid late two thousands, Streaming

1600
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 4: taken off, Streaming is taken off. Still again, that is

1601
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 4: not in the contract. All of that money Nickelodeon and

1602
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 4: Disney ah ship so we got absolutely nothing. Well we

1603
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 4: still don't get anything. That show will run. I don't

1604
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 4: know how many millions of times, how many times you stream,

1605
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 4: I'm not getting a dime of that, which was the

1606
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 4: whole point of the strike. The second strike with sag

1607
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 4: with the actors and the writers.

1608
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: Can I ask you on the back end, knowing that

1609
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: the nil n C Double A are now paying even

1610
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: back paying some of the players, are they there are

1611
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: former players that are now getting paid for what they

1612
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: did in their contributions.

1613
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 2: As college players.

1614
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: Yes. So I say that to say they came together

1615
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: and clearly they were stations and all the things happening.

1616
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: Is there a conversation at all around what it would

1617
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: look like for child actors or people to somehow try

1618
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: to get money this they feel? Oh, now I bring

1619
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: that up because Monique recently sued what she sued CBS

1620
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: because she came out and said the same thing. She's

1621
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: no longer getting money off the park and the Parkers

1622
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: on streaming, bracket Hole, on Amazon Prime, it's everywhere.

1623
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 4: It's like the new version of syndication or content for

1624
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 4: them to put on their you.

1625
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: Know, streaming. Can she win contract?

1626
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 9: They settled to plus the show's creators together, three of us.

1627
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: Look at them.

1628
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 9: They all came together, had separate lawsuits, but they came

1629
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 9: and then what they sailed they said it was financial

1630
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 9: malfeasings about Powermount and CBS and artificially inflating expenses and surprise,

1631
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 9: same profits, and then they ended up settling in both cases.

1632
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 4: So I'll even give you the current show since you

1633
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 4: guys are bringing up old school shows. Abbot Elementary wasn't

1634
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 4: even getting money off of streaming for.

1635
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: Real, wait what watch?

1636
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 4: But that was the whole point of the strike. I

1637
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 4: think that's what people are not fully understanding why we

1638
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 4: struck in the first place. We're not getting anything from streaming.

1639
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:25,719
Speaker 1: You're just getting a salary.

1640
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 4: We're not We're getting whatever it gets done on television,

1641
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 4: meaning traditional millson ratings, television.

1642
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 3: Watching, even somebody that has a split on it, like

1643
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 3: what if somebody has a percentage in the show beforehand,

1644
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1645
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 2: Like music, but.

1646
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 9: The residual system was only working for linear. They were

1647
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 9: trying to say, because it's streaming and there's no such

1648
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 9: thing as reruns and streaming, there's no residuals.

1649
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: And so that was like period, yeah, period.

1650
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 4: Period claiming, well, we don't know how to count the streams. Yes, yah,

1651
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 4: niggas do y'all do for music all the damn time?

1652
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 4: You would do that for television. You just don't want to.

1653
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 4: And so because a lot of it's streaming because a

1654
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 4: lot of the you know, a lot of people dumped

1655
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 4: a lot of money into their streaming platforms Disney plus

1656
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 4: Paramount plus Peacock and a. Now everybody has their own

1657
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 4: end of it. They were trying to get into the

1658
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 4: streaming rate, not knowing that it was a big money

1659
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 4: pit and they had to put a lot of content, right,

1660
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 4: and because they didn't have enough of I guess original

1661
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 4: content or whatever to keep up with the expensive of

1662
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 4: maintaining the streaming platform, they were taking our show, yeah yeah,

1663
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:38,520
Speaker 4: and throwing.

1664
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: It on there, which is what we saw Netflix still.

1665
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 4: Not getting us anything for it.

1666
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: Because when Netflix during the pandemic was heavily going into

1667
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: original content. Netflix is why they kept raising our goddamn

1668
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: monthly thing. Right, They were in the hole for a

1669
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: while because they were spending so much probably still yeah,

1670
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: they spent so much millions on original content. Mind you

1671
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: paying people like Assandra Bullock when we were watching bird

1672
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Box paying those are Netflix originals.

1673
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 4: So you're paying drawing, You're paying for my name to

1674
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 4: drop your streaming platform, to get our eyes and stuff

1675
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 4: over there to you. So you gotta pay me what

1676
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 4: I would make in a movie setting because that's my

1677
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 4: industry stand.

1678
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: And so now in order to make up for it,

1679
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: what they're doing is now dumping these old television shows.

1680
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: We see Sex and the City now on there, we

1681
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: see Girlfriends, we see all of these shows popping up

1682
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: that nostalgia makes us want to rewatch. But they're not getting.

1683
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 4: Popular because it's a sense of comfort and nostalgia for them.

1684
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 4: So they're playing it and it's getting all all these

1685
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 4: money to recoup for them. But you not paying me

1686
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 4: the work that I did.

1687
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 3: But those people aren't getting paid, like, no, you're not

1688
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 3: seeing nothing.

1689
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 2: And the City people.

1690
01:27:50,960 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: No, literally, that's that's the right, So I think. So

1691
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: I think that again when we talk about even being

1692
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 1: in a place to negotiate or or fight for what

1693
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: you're worth in this sense, which is why I wanted

1694
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: to bring up television, there's so many things that are outdated,

1695
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 1: and it's making it hard for them to fight. What

1696
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: you're making now, hundreds of millions of dollars on me,

1697
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: rerunning my face, my likeness, my everything is and I

1698
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: know it is. This is why it is. And I

1699
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: can see the frustration, Like.

1700
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 4: Benna, I can't get a regular job anywhere because my

1701
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 4: face is playing a thousand times a day. You know

1702
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 4: how many people walk up to say I loved you

1703
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 4: bring it on and blah blah blah. I watched that

1704
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 4: movie two three times. I can't get a regular job

1705
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 4: for all. I am also not getting paid for all

1706
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 4: those millions of times you've seen me, damn. So I

1707
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 4: gotta do other shit, rustle three or four times harder

1708
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 4: just to get something.

1709
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: And let's be very clear. When we talk about the

1710
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: outrage quote unquote of the internet, they love to bring

1711
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: up someone who quote unquote fell from grace or someone.

1712
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 4: Who's throwing me in the crash out. I don't one

1713
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 4: of the most unproblematic child stars you can think of.

1714
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 4: I'm about outside like.

1715
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, outside not because because yeah outside with.

1716
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 4: The best way to describe you're.

1717
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 6: Gonna have another knee brace, not even on camera, but.

1718
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 9: From gymnastics.

1719
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, to take a picture of ship.

1720
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 2: Like like it is.

1721
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 4: It is a completely up situation, no matter how you

1722
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,520
Speaker 4: look at it.

1723
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: And can I also I love that you brought a

1724
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: the cash the crash out urn because we've brought up

1725
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: the difference between black and white a lot in this conversation,

1726
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: right we talked about Monique somewhat being a crash out

1727
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: when she was demanding what she was owed from uh

1728
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Daniel what's his name? The director that she then Netflix

1729
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: with her special. We've seen and almost I've seen the

1730
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: outrage I may have expressed it myself too of Taraji

1731
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,919
Speaker 1: when she complains about the money that she's seen. Right. However,

1732
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times they can't do what white people do.

1733
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: And when I say white people, I do want to

1734
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: shout out these white people, Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

1735
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: They are the creators of South Park. And this is

1736
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: where we're going to wrap up, because when we talk

1737
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: about people that demand what they're owed, right, we have

1738
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: not had a South Park atisode in two years because

1739
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: they have been in negotiations with Paramount for what a

1740
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: season twenty seven and beyond would be worth and what

1741
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: it would be valued at and what it looks like

1742
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 1: on streaming, specifically, because Comedy Central. If y'all are aware,

1743
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: maybe you're not. I love Comedy Central. Over the last year,

1744
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: maybe two or three years, Adult Swim done, Comedy Central

1745
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: and everything under the umbrella gone MTV even mind you,

1746
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: they were under the bia Comme umbrella, but MTV is

1747
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: now fully digital.

1748
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 4: They're gone channels.

1749
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: Disney Channel, it's gone there now. Disney Plus they own ESPN.

1750
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 1: They are something Disney is something completely different, right, and

1751
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: so for two years the creators of South Park sat

1752
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: in that motherfucker and negotiated. Now I want to add

1753
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: something to y'all that y'all may not know, and I

1754
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's on here, but I want

1755
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: to read this. According to Forbes, on July second, after

1756
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: Comedy Central the season twenty seventh premiere of the show,

1757
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: because Paramount, the network's parent company, was locked in a

1758
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 1: contentious negotiation for its streaming rights in the midst of

1759
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 1: months long's acquisitions of Paramount by the sky Dance Media,

1760
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 1: Parker and Stone issued a statement and said the merger

1761
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: is a shit show and it's fucking up South Park.

1762
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 8: Now.

1763
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: I want to add to this because I don't know

1764
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: if you saw it. Check this out. It's why Stephen

1765
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Colbert just got canceled. There is the government currently trying

1766
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to control what media is being put out right, So

1767
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: not sure if you're familiar or not because you haven't

1768
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: watched it yet. Trump somehow got involved in the negotiations

1769
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: in this contract.

1770
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 4: Which is completely ill, which is unethical.

1771
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Is fuck? Are you ready? What's in this deal? There

1772
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:53,440
Speaker 1: has to be a pro Trump messaging in the episodes

1773
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: of South Park, and when I tell you hold on,

1774
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: they Jailee Pantry the most masterful fucking way I've ever

1775
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: seen it. If you have not yet, please check out

1776
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 1: episode one, season twenty seven. It is called Woke is

1777
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: Dead and it talks about literally they have Jesus talking about,

1778
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm only here because Paramount make me and

1779
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: oh no, it's great. One episode one, they had it

1780
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: in the bank. They said, are we gonna sign this deal?

1781
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: They got what is it? A billion dollars? What is it?

1782
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: One point five billion is what they negotiated to pick

1783
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: up for what they're getting on streams. Mind you, they

1784
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: have a blackout screen that says pro Trump messaging one

1785
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: to fifty. I guess there's supposed to be fifty pro

1786
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: Trump messages. But bro, they have I don't know if

1787
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: any of you all got into south Park. They used

1788
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: to have Saddam Hussein in bed with Satan. They now

1789
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: have Trump ind dating Satan. It is great. They have

1790
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: Trump with a little penis. They have.

1791
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 4: So I heard, it's great. So they were like, you

1792
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 4: can't show a penis on TV. They were like, we

1793
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 4: put google LEAs on it's character. It's a it's a

1794
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 4: little pe b it's.

1795
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: A little peepy, his little peepy talking.

1796
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 2: Which is funny.

1797
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Big mouth the character.

1798
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, it's.

1799
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: They turned it like how big Mouth turned ovaries and

1800
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: tits into and pimples into characters. Because technically, bro, they

1801
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: turned Donald Trump's penis into a little and support Trump.

1802
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: They bro it is the greatest thing. I say that

1803
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: to say.

1804
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 4: That is art.

1805
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: If you don't watch this, mind you it's now on

1806
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: They're saying, watch it before it gets taken down. But baby,

1807
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: it's on the internet now. And the way that Elon

1808
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 1: and Trump are beefing Trump, I mean, keep that ship

1809
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter.

1810
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 4: Okay, on X girls are.

1811
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: But I say all of that to say, you have

1812
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: good deals, you have bad deal. If we want to

1813
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: talk about the way we've talked about Creative Centers.

1814
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 4: And Mike uh Coogler, if we want to.

1815
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: Talk about Ryan Coogler, if we want to talk about

1816
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: even Reese Witherspoon and what she's been able to do

1817
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 1: with what has been able to do these two montherfuckers

1818
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 1: right here in a Trump nation where we're scared as

1819
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: fun about the power that he has. This is a

1820
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: masterclass at not only holding out and negotiating. Because it

1821
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: took them two years.

1822
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,440
Speaker 2: These white people don't these are white people, but they holding.

1823
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 4: Toe to toe with people black artists that did that.

1824
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Here we go. Give it to I need, I need

1825
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 2: some color people.

1826
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: Give it to me.

1827
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 4: I think it was Frank Ocean how he negotiated his say.

1828
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 2: And he just had to be gay him.

1829
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 3: But go ahead, here we go. I thought you're gonna

1830
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 3: give me a strong straight black man.

1831
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: But sorry, selective ignorance. He's very he's very ignorant.

1832
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 2: He's the he's there's a.

1833
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 6: Side, that's what.

1834
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1835
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: Mind you, mind you. He's not gay. Mind you, he's

1836
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: not gay. He's my section.

1837
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 6: But that's subjective.

1838
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry. I just wanted to be a straight

1839
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,480
Speaker 2: black man. Go ahead, ignorant?

1840
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 4: Did that?

1841
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: I got his dog, bro, This is these conversations.

1842
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 2: Let you cook, Let you cook.

1843
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 4: Be back anytime.

1844
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay, lead that nigga at home. Geez, they focused. I

1845
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: love this, Okay, get sun the fun out.

1846
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: I love that.

1847
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 6: Standing in the corner.

1848
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 2: But cook Cook with the Frank no no no, but that.

1849
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 4: That was what I I do believe that is what

1850
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 4: he did with his second deal because they were asking

1851
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 4: him for two albums, and so instead he did a

1852
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 4: video of him doing something on.

1853
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 9: The stairs, endless to endless album, endless album.

1854
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 4: Was playing it in the background, and that technically was

1855
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 4: his other that got him out of exactly hold on

1856
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 4: raditional album. Not only him played the.

1857
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: Game, well not only him when we talk about playing

1858
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: the game. It's why they're not counting Andre's flu album

1859
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: or they're the now clause with these labels around what

1860
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: an album is, what a mixtape is, and baby, you

1861
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 1: need to give me an album can be an EP,

1862
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: can't be an instrumental like now because of the Frank

1863
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Ocean and because of a Andre three thousand and these

1864
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: and these and these artists now trying to find their

1865
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:53,919
Speaker 1: way around.

1866
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 6: You know, I thinkbellious kind of.

1867
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 9: Andre was to be clear, so Frank Oceans it changed.

1868
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 9: There was no longer you can no longer do streaming exclusives.

1869
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 9: Oh it's a Frank Ocean. And andres the clause with

1870
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 9: Andreas is your for to count as part of your album,

1871
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 9: count on your contract, your album has to sound seventy

1872
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 9: five percent like the previous.

1873
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 6: Album from a.

1874
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 5: Sound is that because of from from a lyric perspective,

1875
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 5: having words on record?

1876
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 6: Is that what he's talking about in particular, or just because.

1877
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: Nigga Drake gives us, then he gives us.

1878
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: How they get they want they want is.

1879
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: Jumping because about to do something that's they want to

1880
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: guarantee that they want to guarantee the investment.

1881
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 9: And I would say, I'll take to the point of

1882
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 9: this conversation to Beyonce probably has the leverage to make it.

1883
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: She has the leverage another artist and three.

1884
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 5: Thousand and andre three thousand possibly is under the old

1885
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,719
Speaker 5: contract prior to streaming, which was an issue with Dayla

1886
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 5: Soul's not having it right now because because there was

1887
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 5: no metrics of how what the conversation would look look like.

1888
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 5: That's why a lot of if you look at a

1889
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 5: lot of kind of resolved itself now. But if you

1890
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 5: look at a lot of nineties artists, you would see

1891
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 5: some of the songs grade out because of sample issues.

1892
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 6: As it relates to streaming.

1893
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: In music television, we're all sitting here trying to figure

1894
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: out how to deal with the streaming, and we had

1895
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 1: a conversation on another episode about now also now AI.

1896
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 4: Which was the other half of the actor and writer strike.

1897
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 4: That's right because because of AI.

1898
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 2: AI benefiting there mimicking a lot of the old school

1899
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 2: ship too.

1900
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 4: Not only that, the AI companies are taking old scripts

1901
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 4: and teaching the AI and learning off of.

1902
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,839
Speaker 2: It, and that's copyright.

1903
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 4: And you're still not giving the writers there in the

1904
01:39:59,080 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 4: first place.

1905
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: You can't robbery Howie robbers Well, and yeah, we talked

1906
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: about it too. Trump is looking orange man. We can

1907
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: just call him orange man. Fantom Fantom out here, Fanta.

1908
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 4: Is out I call him a Harry cheetah.

1909
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: There we go.

1910
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: But that ain't his hare.

1911
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,600
Speaker 1: I know, you take that thing off at night and

1912
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: put it on his nights. He said, what a day.

1913
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: But Fanta is out here trying to deregulate. So there's

1914
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: gonna be prop and and what sucks is we do

1915
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: have animation, by the way, just went on strike as well.

1916
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 4: So animators, animators and video games have actually been on

1917
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 4: strike for a while.

1918
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: They're still on it there.

1919
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 4: They came to a temporary.

1920
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: Separary agreement to get people to back back working.

1921
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 4: But yes, right, but they are still.

1922
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: And it's because of these things. And it's because of

1923
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: these things. And though it's hard to justify what's your

1924
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: own when you have the powers that be that are

1925
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 1: coming in deregulating or making clauses, once someone finds a

1926
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: way to get what they're own, Unfortunately, the pay us

1927
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: what you owe us still comes from a capitalistic umbrella

1928
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: where the people at the top want to be able

1929
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: to pay only what they hat to.

1930
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 2: I can I say something, Yes, I'm wrapping up.

1931
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 3: I'm hearing this as I'm explaining, and also I'm actually

1932
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 3: learning some things and hearing some He's real good his

1933
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 3: research too.

1934
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 2: It sounds like, and this is on both ends.

1935
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 3: The what I'm hearing from all the conversations is the

1936
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 3: person who's the best at manipulating loopholes seems to be

1937
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 3: the beneficiary in all of these deals, right from the

1938
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 3: front end or the back end. It's like, you do

1939
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 3: gotta find this loopholes and everything. And I say that

1940
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 3: in the sense of people going back and did these

1941
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 3: lawsuits to stuff that wasn't even in their contract, and

1942
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,719
Speaker 3: they benefited from something They found a loophole in something

1943
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 3: that that created some language for them to be like

1944
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 3: you know what, you actually can pay me from this,

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Speaker 3: even though this wasn't in this And I think that's

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Speaker 3: something that I remember Jaz said a lot. I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to find andrs and it's like he always spoke about

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Speaker 3: loopholes and the industry to figure out how to get

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Speaker 3: to another level or figure out why you do owe

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Speaker 3: me this, okay, And just like they play that game

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Speaker 3: as well, there's always wording or like the thing you

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Speaker 3: just broke down from South Park, they're finding ways to

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Speaker 3: where they can say something or like y'all just call

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Speaker 3: him Fana and are in Harry cheetoh, which I love

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Speaker 3: about it. And it's like you're finding a way to

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Speaker 3: not get text or to make money. And I think

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Speaker 3: that that's key in every that's another tool in business.

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Speaker 3: It is that a lot of people don't utilize.

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Speaker 1: I will say what I gathered from this conversation as

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Speaker 1: a whole, especially from what Giovanni said, is at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, there's power numbers and power knowledge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so those are the two things that if we

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Speaker 1: want to see differences. It's why the writers were forming together. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we got to say on this trip because we're fighting

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Speaker 1: for all of us, not just one of us and so,

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Speaker 1: but also in the same breath, finding people to share

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Speaker 1: the resources, share the knowledge, because the more we know,

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Speaker 1: the more we're not going to be stuck in the

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Speaker 1: ignorance of not knowing. And when we know better, we

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Speaker 1: have to do better. So back to your point, when

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Speaker 1: you get in a position where you're handing out the contracts,

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Speaker 1: if you've been the victim of poor ones before, put

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Speaker 1: people on game. And also don't continue the cycle because

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Speaker 1: back to what Giovanni said too, Unfortunately, there becomes standards

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Speaker 1: in industry and people don't think they're doing no fucked

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Speaker 1: up ship when they're going by the standards, when really

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Speaker 1: those standards still create a predator and a prey. You

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Speaker 1: have a victim and you have the who's the suspect?

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Speaker 1: There we go the suspect. I don't know. I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to Anyways, we gave y'all a hell of a

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Speaker 1: fucking episode today. Giovanni gonna come back on. But also,

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Speaker 1: I ain't never been no token. I'm biracial, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we can have a conversation on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well shut up, Actually I'm lying. I've been a token

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Speaker 1: in Corporate America.

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Speaker 6: Every other episode.

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Speaker 1: I am not that Tolks podcast. I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: it to air, it come out. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me and having this conversation.

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