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Speaker 1: In such scoop time.

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Speaker 2: It's trade deadline week. It's FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal,

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Speaker 2: who just put out an article on buy sell on

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Speaker 2: the fence teams. Ken, So I haven't read it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I read all your articles.

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Speaker 2: Haven't read this one because it just came out fresh

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Speaker 2: hot off the press. What do you have for us

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Speaker 2: in there?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's four teams that really are still not entirely

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Speaker 3: sure of their direction. It's the Rays, the Giants, the Angels,

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Speaker 3: and the Rangers. The Rangers have the best playoff odds

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Speaker 3: of that group. But if they lose these next two

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Speaker 3: to the Angels after losing last night, who knows if

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Speaker 3: they'll push.

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Speaker 1: As hard as they might have otherwise. I believe they will.

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Speaker 3: This could be Bruce Bochie's final year. This is a

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Speaker 3: very competitive front office, a team that has played much

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Speaker 3: better in the last six weeks or so, so I

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Speaker 3: would expect that they still proceed on a by course.

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Speaker 3: The Rays we saw yesterday, did kind of a buy

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Speaker 3: sell maneuver with the Catchers bringing in Nick Fordy from

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Speaker 3: the Marlins and trading Danny Jansen.

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Speaker 1: To the Brewers.

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Speaker 3: The Giants, like the Rays, have not played well of

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Speaker 3: late they're two and ten in their last twelve I

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Speaker 3: think thirteen and twenty two since the Devor's trade and

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Speaker 3: the Angels.

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Speaker 1: You never know what the Angels because you never know

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Speaker 1: what owner Ardi Moreno might be thinking.

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Speaker 3: So those are the four teams I focused on, and

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Speaker 3: it's really interesting to me, guys. It's almost like the

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Speaker 3: playoffs right now for some of these teams and their positions,

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Speaker 3: their feelings about what they want to do literally changed

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Speaker 3: day by day. It sounds crazy, it is a little crazy,

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Speaker 3: but that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Ken.

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Speaker 4: There's no way that the Rangers don't go in and

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Speaker 4: buy somebody. Now the other Angels, like you said, is

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Speaker 4: the wildcard? We don't know, because I just don't think

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Speaker 4: the Angels. They're four and a half out. They got

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Speaker 4: like five teams in front of them to get to

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Speaker 4: the third wildcard. I don't see that one happening. But

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Speaker 4: the Rangers are right there for a wildcard. They're half

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Speaker 4: came out. They're gonna push in, and I bet you

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Speaker 4: the Rangers think that they could probably catch the Astros,

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Speaker 4: much like the Mariners think the same thing. Now the

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Speaker 4: other two teams, the Rays always try to buy and

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Speaker 4: sell and maneuver like whatever, and the Giants we just

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Speaker 4: don't know because this is Buster Posey's first trade deadline.

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Speaker 4: So but the one thing I do know, Chris Young

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Speaker 4: and Bruce Boccie they're gonna make a run out.

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Speaker 3: No, aj, I agree with you, And there are some

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Speaker 3: extenuating factors there. The luxury tax threshold might be one,

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Speaker 3: so that might restrain them some. The other thing is

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Speaker 3: they played so poorly in the first two months it

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Speaker 3: kind of haunts them a little bit, and they were

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Speaker 3: that they're going to regress again. Now I totally agree

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Speaker 3: with you. This is, as I said, a very competitive group.

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Speaker 3: And yes, all front offices are competitive, but we're talking

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Speaker 3: about Bruce Bochie and we're talking about Chris Young. Those

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Speaker 3: are two of the more competitive people you'll ever meet.

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Speaker 3: So yes, I expect them to buy. But again, the

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Speaker 3: point of including them was.

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Speaker 1: They're kind of in a.

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Speaker 3: Position still where the next two days could influence them.

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Speaker 3: If it goes really badly, I don't expect it. I

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Speaker 3: don't expect them to change. They've got the best era

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Speaker 3: in the major leagues. My goodness, you can win with that,

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Speaker 3: but they're still not entirely there. Ken.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to potentially the best position player

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Speaker 2: available on the market, and it's not Aohennio Suarez. You

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Speaker 2: put out an article last night about Stephen Kwan of

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Speaker 2: the Guardians. Do you think he'll get del and where

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Speaker 2: could he end up?

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Speaker 3: Scott, I'm not sure he'll get DELT.

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Speaker 1: I can't predict that.

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Speaker 3: And obviously the Guardians are a team that generally set

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Speaker 3: their prices at a high level and do not waiver

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Speaker 3: for them and that frustrates other.

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Speaker 1: Clubs at times, but that's their right to do that.

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Speaker 3: They're every right to do that, and the way they

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Speaker 3: see it, because they're operating in such difficult circumstances with

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Speaker 3: they do. Now, Stephen Kuan is a guy that has

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Speaker 3: two more years of control after this. They don't have

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Speaker 3: to trade him. They probably lee shouldn't trade him from

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Speaker 3: a competitive standpoint, But with what has happened losing Luis

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Speaker 3: Ortiz and now Emmanuel Class to non disciplinary paid leave

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Speaker 3: because of the gambling investigation, let's face it, their chances

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Speaker 3: may be at least more open to the conversation than

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Speaker 3: they would be with Kwan. And yes, they will entertain offers,

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Speaker 3: as all teams entertained offers for pretty much all of

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Speaker 3: their players. As far as we know, there have been

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Speaker 3: no progress or has been no progress at any extension

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Speaker 3: talks with Kwan, so this is something they will consider.

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Speaker 3: I would expect the Padres would be in their deep

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Speaker 3: on Kwan, the Dodgers, the Blue Jays, pretty much every

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Speaker 3: The question is will the Guardians move when they have

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Speaker 3: all these other opportunities to trade him in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: You could even expand the list of teams because it

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Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily include only contenders. They don't have to do

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Speaker 3: this now, but maybe some team will push them to

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Speaker 3: do it now.

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Speaker 4: Ken, stay on the Guardians here for a second. How

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Speaker 4: big of a deal was the Emmanuel Colasse news yesterday

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Speaker 4: and how much Jim Bogen came on so to change

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Speaker 4: their whole trade deadline. Is that true that basically they

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Speaker 4: were gonna move him and now since he's off the

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Speaker 4: complete deadline plans.

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly they were talking about moving him and it

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Speaker 3: they would have to have their price met. Whether it

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Speaker 3: was a certainty that they were going to move him,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone can say that, But what

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Speaker 3: it did do, in my opinion, is really end any

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Speaker 3: chance of them buying, because at this point you're down

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Speaker 3: two significant pitchers.

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Speaker 1: They were kind of right in.

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Speaker 3: That never never land zone where they weren't quite sure

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Speaker 3: what to do, not playing particularly poorly, not playing particularly well.

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Speaker 3: But now, come on, they know that they're not going

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Speaker 3: to be a playoff team. They know that this season

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Speaker 3: no question, because there was still some chance that they

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Speaker 5: Trade deadline is compelling theater. Even more compelling is the

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Speaker 5: Brewers and the Cubs are playing each other going into

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Speaker 5: this trade deadline. How much are they going to be

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Speaker 5: battling against each other. It's like David Versuk Goliath large markets,

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Speaker 5: small market. We don't have any money, We don't spend

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Speaker 5: any money. How is this battle going to play out

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Speaker 5: or strategically with the organizations? How do you think they'll

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Speaker 5: play it out against each other?

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Speaker 3: Eric, I don't think that they're looking at the same

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Speaker 1: That's one thing.

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Speaker 3: So yes, the Cubs we know are really hungry to

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Speaker 3: put a finishing cap on what they have on their roster.

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Speaker 3: They want to top this team off, They want to

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Speaker 3: get a starting pitcher, help anything they can. Third base

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Speaker 3: has also been an area where they've looked at. Matt

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Speaker 3: Shaw has played a little bit better lately.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you make your decision on that.

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Speaker 3: So we know the Cubs are hungry to act.

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Speaker 1: The Brewers are the Brewers.

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Speaker 3: And I've written about this at length, and they do

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Speaker 1: Yes, they acquired Danny Jansen yesterday.

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Speaker 3: They also have shown interest in Ryan O'Hearn and other hitters.

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Speaker 1: Do I expect them.

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Speaker 3: To necessarily do something big. I actually would be surprised

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Speaker 3: if they did something big. It's just not their style.

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Speaker 1: But this is a team that we've seen. We saw

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Speaker 3: They compete no matter who they have, no matter how

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Speaker 3: many pieces you take away. And they've got an extremely

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Speaker 3: be reshaped because you could trade a starting pitcher Nestra Cortes,

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Speaker 3: like to reinforce their bullpen as well, because as good

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Speaker 4: Wow, all right, I got out speaking of a team

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Speaker 4: that nobody knows. What are they gonna do?

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Speaker 5: The Padres?

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Speaker 6: Why would they sell?

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Speaker 4: People were like, they're gonna trade Seas and they're gonna

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Speaker 6: Why they're in the wildcard. They have a two game

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Speaker 6: they try? Listen, Preler is the master of trading guys

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Speaker 4: I don't understand why people are saying, oh, the Padres

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Speaker 3: Why aj they would only sell if it enabled them

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Speaker 3: to get other pieces that would help them maybe even

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Speaker 3: better compete this season. That's the whole point. They're not

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Speaker 3: pure sellers, and they shouldn't be. As you just mentioned,

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Speaker 3: they're a really good team. They're in good wildcard position

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, and there's no reason for them to sell.

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Speaker 3: But when you have a farm system that is not

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Speaker 3: as deep as it once was, at least in the

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Speaker 3: eyes of many in the industry. When you have payroll

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Speaker 3: restrictions of some kind, we don't know exactly what they are.

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Speaker 3: At that point, you have to be creative and that

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Speaker 3: Dylan Cease if it can bring you something else of

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Speaker 3: great value to your team. We know what they need.

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Speaker 3: They need a left fielder. They'd like to improve their

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Speaker 3: catching as well, and if you trade Cease, you've got

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Speaker 3: to backfill.

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Speaker 1: With another starting pitcher.

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Speaker 3: So to describe them as pure sellers would be a misconception.

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Speaker 1: That's not right.

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Speaker 3: What they are is a team that is looking at

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Speaker 5: You should be a GM. Ken you.

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Speaker 4: You don't wear quarter zips, you wear bow ties, so

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Speaker 1: That sure.

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Speaker 6: But here's my question. We just we talked about Danny

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't the Padres being on a Danny Jansen That

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Speaker 6: He's having a good year.

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Speaker 4: But you don't think the Patterreys could have thrown in

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that, and the Padres

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Speaker 3: can't tell you exactly, but you're right, Danny Jansen would

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Speaker 3: give you more offense than Elios Ds who did have

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Speaker 1: Night, and Martin Maldonado.

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Speaker 5: All right, back to the Rays. We hit on the

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Speaker 5: Rays a little bit, but you had mentioned about possibly

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Speaker 1: Eric, It's not something they want to do. What they

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Speaker 3: To do is win the next couple of games and

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Speaker 3: They're kind of like the Giants in that way that

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Speaker 3: then suddenly they've entered this funk and they haven't really

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Speaker 1: Of it yet.

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Speaker 3: So any idea of trading those guys would only stem

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Speaker 1: They feel they are. One thing about the Rays that's.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, they're Rundal and this isn't everything, but it's something

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Speaker 3: and that's the Toronto Blue Jays the Razord plus fifty

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Speaker 2: Ken, I want to ask you quick about the Pirates

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Speaker 2: holding out for the right prospect package, especially for a

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Speaker 2: If so, why because it's not like they've been trying

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Speaker 2: This is something they should have decided for the last

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Speaker 1: They have been torn about it.

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Speaker 3: And the reason they've been torn about it, and even

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Speaker 3: is these guys are kind of central to who they.

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Speaker 1: Are right now. And you might say, well, Ken, they

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Speaker 3: Very true, but both are perceived as leaders, both are

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Speaker 3: we want them to be part of our future and

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Speaker 3: not guys who were trading off for impact offensive players

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Speaker 3: if they're even available. The problem with keeping them is

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Speaker 3: you're not going to spend money. We know they're not

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Speaker 1: So if you have.

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Speaker 3: Any chance to get impact offensive talent back in return

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Speaker 3: But they know the value of those players to their

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that world existing for the Pirates.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me that they have to move Keller

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Speaker 3: understand the difficulty of bench Sherrington's position. He's under fire,

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Speaker 3: he has his job in question for next year. But

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Speaker 3: in this situation, gms generally do what is best for

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Speaker 3: the organization. What is best for the organization right now

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Speaker 3: is to trade those guys, both of them, Bednor and Keller,

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Speaker 1: As much as you can offensively back.

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Speaker 5: Okay, last one, it's quick.

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Speaker 6: It's a one team answer. Where does Gino Suarez go?

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, let's assume he's healthy, because he didn't get

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Speaker 1: hit in the hand last night. My guess would be Mariners.

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Speaker 6: Wow, Reunion.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll pay the highest price for him.

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Speaker 3: Guys, that's a guess. And again, when we look at

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Speaker 3: all these trades that go down, we pick up our

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Speaker 3: heads on July thirty first, even August first, and.

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Speaker 1: Look at everything. Think about how many of those deals

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Speaker 1: we thought.

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Speaker 3: Were coming, and how many we had no idea about.

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Speaker 1: Come, Well, we're coming.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be very much tilted toward we had

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Speaker 3: no idea.

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Speaker 1: We love that.

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Speaker 2: We want all of the shocking moves. Ken, thank you,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll catch us soon, Okay. Thanks guys at

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Speaker 2: the senior insider, Ken Rosenthal fair territories back on Thursday

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Speaker 2: after the trade deadline, so they can do all kinds

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Speaker 2: of recapping. Ken can tell you everything that went down,

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Speaker 2: will give you the exact time when we get closer

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Speaker 2: to Thursday,