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Speaker 2: Let's get to the show. Let's go now to Mark

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Speaker 2: Cuban to Lena Khan. There's been a great war. We

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Speaker 2: talked about this previously where there had been efforts by

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Speaker 2: Reid Hoffman, the Democratic mega donor billionaire, to oust Lena

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Speaker 2: Khan on television. She is the FTC chair under President

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Speaker 2: Biden and has been very aggressive on antitrust, specifically in

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Speaker 2: Silicon Valley. Well, now, Mark Cuban, who has really emerged

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Speaker 2: as a major kamalas surriat let's put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen, has come out in a recent Semaphore

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Speaker 2: event to say, quote, if it were me, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: asked if she should keep Lena Khan as FTC chair.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: By trying to break up the biggest tech companies, you

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Speaker 2: risk our ability to be the best in artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: This fits with a general strategy by Cuban to not

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Speaker 2: only serve as a surrogate, but to do so for

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Speaker 2: a very specific purpose, in that he wants to be

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Speaker 2: the head of the SEC under Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 4: But I asked you, Mark, whether you would entertain being

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Speaker 3: Harrison, head of the SEC, head of the SEC.

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Speaker 5: That's the job I would take.

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Speaker 3: That is a man who knows exactly what he wants.

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Speaker 2: Because Kavudo is like, hey, are you going to be

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Speaker 2: the Commerce secretary? He's like head of the SEC, head

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Speaker 2: of the SEC. He knows exactly which one he's going for.

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Speaker 2: This is though, and it will be an interesting fight

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Speaker 2: if Kamala does win. So we had Senator Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 2: come out. Let's put this on the screen. He says,

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Speaker 2: Mark Cuban is wrong. Lena Khan is the best FDC

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Speaker 2: chair in history. By taking on corporate greed and illegal monopolies,

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Speaker 2: Lena is doing an exceptional job preventing large corporations from

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lena for what you are doing.

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Speaker 2: This is also interesting because I saw David Serota making

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Speaker 2: Jade Vance has had better things to say about Lena

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Speaker 3: And I think this will be a flagship test for her.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure which way to'll go if I had

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Speaker 1: In the specific job that he's angling for head of

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Speaker 1: the SEC that's the Securities Exchange Commission. Gary Gensler is

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Speaker 1: the Mark Cuban billionaire types of the world, they not

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Speaker 1: He is an official Kamala Harris surrogate, and he has

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Speaker 5: And you know, do I think that.

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Speaker 1: People are really immersed in the details of what Lena

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Speaker 3: I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know this whole deliverism theory and all

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Speaker 3: It's an open.

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Speaker 2: Question, Like I said, because of JD's previous comments, on

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Speaker 2: This is actually I mean again, it's like all I

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Speaker 3: I've been thinking about this.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I get it.

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Speaker 1: The entire time when there was a ceasefires, will also

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Speaker 1: participated in that ceasefire, there were no rockets fired. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, the idea that you're going to secure

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Speaker 1: safety and security for your own people through more bombs

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Speaker 1: and more conflict and going to war with war countries.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many countries have they even bombed at

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Speaker 1: this point is foolish.

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Speaker 5: It's foolish.

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Speaker 1: It is not is you know, going to satisfy the

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Speaker 1: desire for revenge among a large portion of the population.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, these actions are very popular. The

447
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Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and thirty brave IDF soldiers signing

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Speaker 1: on to this refusal to serve if the ceasefire deal

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Speaker 1: is not negotiated. Notwithstanding, these actions in general are very,

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Speaker 1: very popular. But there's a you know, a deeply troubling

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Speaker 1: future for those people who actually care about the state

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Speaker 1: of Israel because in addition to this domestic mutiny in

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Speaker 1: some small corners, you also have a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are just like, I don't know if I'm going

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Speaker 1: to stay here. Put this up on the screen. This

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Speaker 1: is fascinating poll of Israeli citizens. Almost a quarter of

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Speaker 1: Israelis have weighed leaving the country. You have thirty six

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Speaker 1: percent of opposition party supporters who have weighed leaving the country.

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Speaker 1: Similar number of secular respondents. And this matters a lot

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Speaker 1: from like just basic sustenance of the state perspective in

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Speaker 1: terms of Israel because the war, you know, the very

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Speaker 1: religious predominantly many of the men don't work. They have

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Speaker 1: large families, they have large birth rates, and they rely

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Speaker 1: a lot and also don't serve in the military, by

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Speaker 1: the way, they rely a lot on government safety net.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't have those more secular citizens to

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Speaker 1: be able to work, pay taxes, be you know, net

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Speaker 1: positive into paying into that social safety net, the whole

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Speaker 1: kind of program and the whole deal that they've got

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Speaker 1: going on there really falters. Not to mention, it just

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Speaker 1: continues this drift further and further to the more and

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Speaker 1: more extreme right within society that you've already seen. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing I was note worthy about this soccer

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Speaker 1: is it's not just that they've like thought about leaving

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Speaker 1: the country, like, you know, every election Donald Trump's maybe

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Speaker 1: going to get re elected, you get to certain number

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Speaker 1: of people that are like, this is it, I'm leaving

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Speaker 1: the US.

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Speaker 3: They never have.

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Speaker 1: But these are people who, by and large majority of

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Speaker 1: them have actually taken actions to like, let me look

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Speaker 1: into jobs overseas, let me look into what the situation

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Speaker 1: would be like for my kids in school, let me

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Speaker 1: evaluate like properties, let me secure a past, you know,

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Speaker 1: a pass border citizenship in another country. So they've they've

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Speaker 1: taken it seriously beyond just like, you know, going on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and being like I'm going to leave right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, a lot of Israelis are dual citizens.

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Speaker 2: It's also a small country, a lot of them travel,

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Speaker 2: a lot of them travel a lot, a lot of

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Speaker 2: them have relictives, you know, all across the world, or

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Speaker 2: they speak multiple languages, so it's actually a lot more

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Speaker 2: feasible for them to be able to lead.

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Speaker 3: If they wanted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the bear is way way lower, especially given a

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Speaker 2: lot of ties to Europe, you know, and the way

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Speaker 2: that the U citizenship laws work in those places as

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Speaker 2: long as you have relatives or whatever if you're from there.

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Speaker 2: So my point is that it's actually real, And what

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Speaker 2: you just pointed out is the biggest problem is the

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Speaker 2: secular Israelis are the one They're the backbone of the

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Speaker 2: Israeli economy and frankly of Israeli society.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: The rest of them are basically just welfare you know, recipients.

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Speaker 3: They've decided that's an okay political bargain.

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Speaker 2: But you know, in the long run, I've always thought

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Speaker 2: it was very unstable and unsustainable. But after the war,

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Speaker 2: I just cannot imagine, you know, after World War Two,

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Speaker 2: like if you could consider, like if this nation state

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Speaker 2: survives if you had all the veterans coming back, but

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Speaker 2: then you also had half of the population that not

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Speaker 2: only did not serve, but actively like was taking resources

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Speaker 2: away from the war effort.

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Speaker 3: I just can't imagine what that would look like.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason we were so united is because

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Speaker 2: everybody had a role in the overall war efforts. So

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Speaker 2: I looked societally, I just have no idea how this.

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Speaker 2: I always thought this wasn't going to work, especially with

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Speaker 2: the birth rates and all that. It always seemed unsustainable.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm like, I have no idea how this

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Speaker 2: conservts survived.

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Speaker 1: And that's a real fisher In Israeli society is not like, oh,

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Speaker 1: how do we treat the Palestinians because it's a very

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Speaker 1: small minority that cares about that whatsoever. It's this like

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Speaker 1: secular religious divide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean you can empathize, like, imagine if

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of the population or twenty five percent of

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Speaker 2: the population in the US were you know, conscientious objectors

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Speaker 2: even more different, and not even that they were actively

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Speaker 2: like taking huge resources I mean from the state and

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Speaker 2: ruling politics through their overall population.

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Speaker 1: It's not analogous exactly, but if you think about like

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Speaker 1: the divisions that were wrought that still exists in some

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Speaker 1: ways over the Vietnam War, and the fact that you

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Speaker 1: had you know, wealthier college kids like Donald by the way,

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Speaker 1: who were able to get out of service. And meanwhile

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Speaker 1: and and on college campuses. You also that's where you

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Speaker 1: have this anti war movement. And then you have people,

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Speaker 1: you know, more working class people who don't have that

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Speaker 1: option for their kids, like flee to Canada or get

542
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Speaker 1: some family doctor friend to say they have bone spurs

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Speaker 1: or or you know, get to ferment through college or whatever,

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Speaker 1: who are being chewed up and spit out and meet

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Speaker 1: the meat grinder that was Vietnam. And you know that

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Speaker 1: just that division created massive cleavages in American society. Like

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Speaker 1: I said that in some ways still remain to this day,

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Speaker 1: especially among older Americans. So in any case, there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt they're on the forefoot in terms of the amount

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Speaker 1: of death and destruction they're able to reak, and many

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Speaker 1: countries across the region they are operating with absolute impunity.

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Speaker 1: The US is not serving as it's not just not

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Speaker 1: serving as a check, but as actively enabling and encouraging

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Speaker 1: this direction, but there are also some deep societal fissures

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Speaker 1: and warning signs for the Israelis for the.

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Speaker 5: For the future.

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Speaker 1: That's right, let's go on and get to you. This

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Speaker 1: was very interesting Saga. You and Emily were flagging this.

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Speaker 1: There's a huge backlash to Fox News reporter Trey Yanks,

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Speaker 1: who has been on the ground in Israel and also

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Speaker 1: in Gaza, to you know, probably as much as any

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Speaker 1: Western reporter has, who issued a pretty compelling statement in

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Speaker 1: favor of protection of Palestinian journalists.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: There are so many neighborhoods that are flattened. Palestinians that

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Speaker 6: are internally displaced will simply have no homes to return to.

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Speaker 3: And while we.

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Speaker 6: Get a first hand look at the destruction here, it's

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Speaker 6: important to remember that Palestinian journalists do not have this access.

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Speaker 3: They have been pushed to the south. Dozens have been killed.

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Speaker 6: There's this false narrative about Palestinian journalists. More than one

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Speaker 6: hundred of them have been killed by Israel since the

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Speaker 6: war began. And I take very few positions in the

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Speaker 6: conflicts that we covered, but let this be a position

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Speaker 6: that I take journalists, specifically Palestinian journalists must be protected

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Speaker 6: amid the war. The Israelis have killed journalists in drone strikes,

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Speaker 6: they've killed them with small arms fire, and it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 5: So soagrin.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those things that should be like

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Speaker 1: the least controversial thing ever, like don't kill the murder journalists,

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Speaker 1: including Palestinian journalists. But he's right that there's this false

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Speaker 1: narrative that exists of like, oh, well, if they're a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian and they got killed, they must have been a

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Speaker 1: terrorist if so facto, so we don't really care about

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Speaker 1: them and they don't even really count. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: kudos to him for saying it so clearly. There was

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Speaker 1: no equivocal language here, There was no you know, they're

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Speaker 1: being killed in blast. He directly said, Israel is killing

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Speaker 1: them in drone strikes, in these other methods, and they

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Speaker 1: deserve protection and we need to stop lying about who

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Speaker 1: these people are and actually stand up for journalists.

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Speaker 2: I'd actually shocked Fox let him put it on the air.

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Speaker 2: That's more what I was surprised about there. Yeah, I know, Treya,

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Speaker 2: I started out with him, we covered the White House together.

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Speaker 3: I was our old friends.

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Speaker 2: I remember the day they got that job, and he

597
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Speaker 2: was so happy to become that foreign correspondent.

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Speaker 3: It's something that he always wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason that he's taken

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Speaker 2: this position not only from you know, having watched it

601
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Speaker 2: and becovered Israel for years before that. He probably knew

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Speaker 2: some of these folks just from reporting. He'd been inside

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Speaker 2: of Gaza and in West Bank multiple times before the war.

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Speaker 2: But he also was in Ukraine when his colleague Ben Wallace, remember,

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Speaker 2: was hit and actually lost his both of his legs,

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Speaker 2: you know, in that horrible strike. So he has been

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Speaker 2: present for the death and the maiming of his own colleagues,

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Speaker 2: and so I think he understands probably more than anybody else.

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Speaker 2: It's also disgusting to me how many people attacked him,

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Speaker 2: not only for the statement, but you know, being like, oh,

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Speaker 2: how many you know journalists or whatever of them are

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Speaker 2: actually terrorist, Like hey, why don't you strap on a

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Speaker 2: bulletproof vest and a helmet and you go into Gaza

614
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Speaker 2: like Trey actually has, and then you will can and

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Speaker 2: see it with your own eyes and then you can

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Speaker 2: make some comment not from New York City, and because

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Speaker 2: you went on a birthright trip once that you're a

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Speaker 2: freaking Israel expert, you know, on Palistin. And that's actually

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Speaker 2: why it annoys me so much, is like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like the day I said he's a political he does

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Speaker 2: his job, I think he does a pretty good job.

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Speaker 2: And you know, just such an anodyne statement, which again

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Speaker 2: he was just like, look, you can't do this. To

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Speaker 2: be so viciously attacked the way that he was, I

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Speaker 2: just think is so discussed.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me more about the nature of the attacks,

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Speaker 1: because this didn't really exist in my social.

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Speaker 2: Media real look avers replies, I mean, look at the

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Speaker 2: replies to the segment Ryan, So let's read it.

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Speaker 3: I'll read you some.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and see number one, what percent of

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Speaker 2: the journalists have been actively participating in the conflict, the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian journalist highlighting one who is there on October seventh.

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Speaker 3: What does a Palestinian journal mean?

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Speaker 1: Let's see, so basically they're like, they're all terrorists and

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Speaker 1: they deserves pretty.

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Speaker 5: Much the gist of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, Trey the hamas journalists, I fully agree that

639
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Speaker 2: the true journalists must be protected, but you know better

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Speaker 2: than most what kind of journalists we are talking about.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you only saw their pressed vests, not

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Speaker 2: their weapons and involvement in October seventh. Meanwhile, the Palestinian

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Speaker 2: journalists pictures of them with guns to their head. What

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Speaker 2: does Palestinian journalists hamas and press bests are not dry?

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Speaker 2: I could go on forever. Okay, this is like every

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Speaker 2: single you know reply to the thing. H yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I think the one of the important takeaways here

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Speaker 1: is what you were pointing to Soccer, which is like

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Speaker 1: he's actually there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like he is there? What do you know?

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Speaker 1: And so all of the spin and the propaganda and

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Speaker 1: the bullshit that this all gets wrapped in when you're

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Speaker 1: sitting over here and watching from Afar, he does not

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Speaker 1: have the luxury of that distance exactly. And there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why journalists have had almost no access to the

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Speaker 1: Gaza strip, and it's because of exactly this. The more

657
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Speaker 1: images that are on our TV screens, the more reporters

658
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Speaker 1: you have that are strips of that luxury of distance

659
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Speaker 1: and spin and propaganda and you know, the dehumanization that

660
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Speaker 1: comes with it. The more that you get honest reporting,

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Speaker 1: even in an outlet like Fox News, like this, which is,

662
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Speaker 1: you know, what they're deathly afraid of. So at the

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Speaker 1: same time, you know, we've talked a lot about what's

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Speaker 1: happening in Lebanon, We've talked about this potent, you know,

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Speaker 1: very likely attack against Iran.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Lose sight of the fact that they are actually ramping

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Speaker 1: up attacks in the Gaza strip, that they are appear

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Speaker 1: to be executing on that quote unquote General's plan to

670
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Speaker 1: once again displace everybody from northern Gaza. Remember this was

671
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Speaker 1: the very early phases of the war that this happened,

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Speaker 1: that people were forced down of ethnically cleansed out of

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Speaker 1: Gaza City and pushed further and further south. Now they're

674
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Speaker 1: basically going back to the beginning and once again saying like,

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Speaker 1: if you don't leave Gaza City and its environs, we

676
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Speaker 1: are going to assume that you are a terrorist and

677
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Speaker 1: you are a legitimate target. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: even the people who are trying to flee are being

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Speaker 1: shot at and killed by the IDF. We have a

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Speaker 1: report here that we can bring you from Jeremy Diamond

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Speaker 1: from CNN.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a look at a little bit of that.

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Speaker 7: Civilians fleeing a war zone suddenly sprayed with bullets. The

684
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Speaker 7: Israeli military ordered these people to leave northern Gaza and

685
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Speaker 7: move south. With the hail of bullets they faced now

686
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Speaker 7: a testament to why so many are choosing not to

687
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Speaker 7: leave or simply cannot. Nine year old Danna is among

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Speaker 7: those wounded in the attack. A pink shirt smeared red

689
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Speaker 7: with her own blood after she was shot in the neck.

690
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Speaker 7: At the hospital, her mother said an Israeli drone opened

691
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Speaker 7: fire as they were fleeing south. The quad copter started

692
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Speaker 7: shooting intensively. She says, everyone was running. There were so

693
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Speaker 7: many bullets. Even my children's backpacks were full of bullets.

694
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Speaker 7: The Israeli military decline to comment, but the attack came

695
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Speaker 7: as it ordered nearly all of northern Gaza to evacuate,

696
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Speaker 7: even as it says its renewed ground defensive is focused

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Speaker 7: on just one city, Jabalia, but many are trapped, like

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Speaker 7: fifteen year old Zam Zam. Anyone who hears my voice

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Speaker 7: help us, try to get us out, she pleads. She

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Speaker 7: says her mother was killed by Israeli forces. I watched

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Speaker 7: her take her last breaths, and I couldn't do anything,

702
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Speaker 7: she cries, so.

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Speaker 1: Just think about this set of circumstances. So the idea

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Speaker 1: of is saying, if you're in almost all of northern Gaza,

705
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Speaker 1: you must evacuate. But then if you actually go to move,

706
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Speaker 1: you're being shot at and killed. So you're trapped in

707
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Speaker 1: northern Gaza even though you've been told to evacuate. And

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Speaker 1: the policy of the IDF after those force evacuations is

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Speaker 1: then you're, you know, legitimate fair game.

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Speaker 5: You must be a terrorist if you stay.

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Speaker 1: So you've effectively, with your drones and your gunfire trap

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Speaker 1: people in northern Gaza and then turn them into a

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Speaker 1: legitimate targets. It's just a license for extermination, is exactly

714
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Speaker 1: what it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also noteworthy.

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Speaker 2: Both Trey and Jeremy actually are in Israel. He's the

717
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Speaker 2: Jerusalem correspondent. So you know, again, I'm just going to

718
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Speaker 2: take seriously what those guys actually think and say.

719
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Speaker 3: I covered the White House with both of them.

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Speaker 2: I think they're both like pretty credible, and I have

721
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Speaker 2: done a pretty good job on all of this, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's quite noteworthy, you know, to look at

723
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Speaker 2: theirs versus what Jake Tapper and Dana Bash might be

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Speaker 2: saying here in Washington.

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Speaker 5: Very good points.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the UFO update. Major new report from

727
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Speaker 2: journalist Michael Schellenberger. Let's put this up there. All this

728
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Speaker 2: everybody stick with me. The details are important. So new

729
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: government whistleblower reveals for the first time the quote the

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Speaker 2: name of an unacknowledged special access program for the unidentified

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Speaker 2: anomalist phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise known as YOUAP.

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Speaker 2: So the name of that program is Immaculate Constellation.

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Speaker 3: Why does this matter?

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Speaker 2: The name of the report named in the report by

736
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Speaker 2: this alleged government whistle blower is specifically the name of

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Speaker 2: the program for quote unquote UFO retrieval that was launched

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Speaker 2: after two thousand and seventeen. Now, to be clear, the

739
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Speaker 2: Pentagon is denying the existence of said program. The Pentagon

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Speaker 2: said that they have no record of any program known

741
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Speaker 2: as Immaculate Constellation. I will get to in a second

742
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Speaker 2: why that matters and specifically why it is total bullshit.

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Speaker 2: But the reason why, if you look at the overall

744
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Speaker 2: existence of this is its centers on Congress. So people

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Speaker 2: will remember that I was at that UFO hearing which

746
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Speaker 2: was led by a multiple members of Congress. You had

747
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Speaker 2: the testimony of Dave Grush, who was the UFO whistle

748
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Speaker 2: blower about the existence of these programs that he had

749
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Speaker 2: seen and had gone and pushed through the Inspector General.

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Speaker 2: Well since then, what has since happened is more ramping

751
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Speaker 2: up crystal within Congress of questions specifically around the GRUSH allegations,

752
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Speaker 2: the DoD and the Inspector General's report. Now what they

753
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Speaker 2: have found is basically blocking at every turn, and this

754
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Speaker 2: is from the Congressmen themselves. I believe that they are

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Speaker 2: trying to get another hearing in the works. But the

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Speaker 2: point is is that this report and others like it

757
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Speaker 2: from Grush giving Congressional investigators and members of Congress the

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Speaker 2: ability to try and to search for very specific types

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Speaker 2: of things through FOUA, through records requests, and by having

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Speaker 2: names and others.

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Speaker 3: It's very important to be able to dig.

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Speaker 2: The historical analogy I would use is the only reason

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Speaker 2: that we ever learned about many of the shenanigans that

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Speaker 2: the CIA and the FBI were up to under the

765
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Speaker 2: Church Committee was specifically because.

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Speaker 3: Not advocating this.

767
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Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be the worst thing if it happened,

768
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Speaker 2: is some people broke into a FBI facility and they

769
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Speaker 2: stole these documents from them. We had the names from

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Speaker 2: the CIA programs like what happened with the Black Panthers,

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Speaker 2: like the LSD experiments and all this stuff. And thus

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Speaker 2: the Church Committee and members of the press and others

773
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Speaker 2: were able to use FOYA to actually go and to

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Speaker 2: look for what all that was. If that had not happened,

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Speaker 2: there is no Church Committee and there's no revelation about

776
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Speaker 2: what happened. That's why the name of this program matters

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so Ken Klippenstein has talked to me about

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Speaker 1: this before because he does a lot of Foyer requests.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's also obnoxious, like you have.

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Speaker 5: To have a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: It's not something that's a coordinary cit the center even

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Speaker 1: an ordinary journalist without like a legal backing behind them

784
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Speaker 1: can engage in because they'll just completely stonewall you. But

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Speaker 1: part of the key of a successful Foyer request is

786
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Speaker 1: you have to be able to ask very specifically for

787
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Speaker 1: what you want. And so if you don't know the

788
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: name of the program, you'll be phishing around and they

789
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Speaker 1: can just say, no, don't have anything that meets that.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why knowing the name of the program,

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Speaker 1: so that you can actually make an effective foroy a

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Speaker 1: request that they are legally obligated to fulfill in some

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Speaker 1: manner after some period of like fighting you in courtant whatever.

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Speaker 5: That's why this is important to.

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Speaker 3: Take a decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want everybody to understand this is not

797
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Speaker 2: all going to come out like immediately.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Michael actually was on the Joe Rogan podcast just yesterday

800
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Speaker 2: he broke some of this down.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 8: In that report, they claim that there is a that

803
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Speaker 8: the Pentagon is illegally withholding information from Congress about a

804
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Speaker 8: secret UAP program, and that secret UAP program is considered

805
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Speaker 8: a parent program of other of other programs. But it's

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Speaker 8: called immaculate constellation. I was told by a I was

807
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Speaker 8: I had it confirmed by a second source that this

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Speaker 8: is the name.

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Speaker 3: I also was.

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Speaker 8: Told that if we revealed the name that we would

811
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Speaker 8: probably fall it get under surveillance.

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Speaker 4: If I wanted to spread misinformation or disinformation, if I

813
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Speaker 4: was an intelligence agent, I think I would get someone

814
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Speaker 4: to be a whistleblower. I would sanction whistleblowers. I would

815
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Speaker 4: tell them go on podcasts, go on radio shows, go

816
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Speaker 4: on television and discuss all these different disclosures, and you

817
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: can't tell them everything, the top secret stuff. You know,

818
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: some stuff you got to keep a secret. Boy, I

819
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Speaker 4: wish I could tell you, But there's more I can't

820
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Speaker 4: tell you. There's a lot going on. And that's a

821
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Speaker 4: really good way. I would think if I was in

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Speaker 4: control of a narrative, that I wanted to be continuously slippery,

823
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Speaker 4: like this is a very slippery conversation, like you never

824
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Speaker 4: get to the end of it.

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Speaker 8: And what would be the motivation?

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Speaker 4: Because there's some sort of a program that exists that

827
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Speaker 4: they want to hide, and the best way to hide

828
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Speaker 4: it is to continually bring up and then debunk these

829
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Speaker 4: fake programs.

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Speaker 8: I'm comfortable saying I'm like ninety nine percent that the

831
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Speaker 8: government is hiding information. Okay, So, and the reason I'm

832
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Speaker 8: so confident of that is because Donald Trump said so

833
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 8: multiple times that they're hiding information. When I signed him

834
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Speaker 8: in the article.

835
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Speaker 4: They probably told him that. And also they lied to

836
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: him about a bunch of stuff. Oh sure, didn't even

837
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Speaker 4: tell him about Chinese drones because they were he was

838
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Speaker 4: going to shoot him down.

839
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Speaker 8: So they told him something that he says has not

840
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 8: been made public to the Arian people. So so if

841
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 8: that's so my view is, look, if you think it's

842
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 8: it's either a secret weapons program, that it's a government

843
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 8: disinformation program, that it's just mis sightings, then I want

844
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Speaker 8: the government. I wanted they have an obligation.

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Speaker 3: To tell us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that it's a good pushback. But anyway, I'll

847
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: get to a little bit now. Remember when I said

848
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Speaker 2: that they had no record of the Immaculate Constellation.

849
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Speaker 3: That's what the DoD is claiming.

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Speaker 2: Get this, So when Dave Grush came forward in twenty

851
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Speaker 2: twenty three and this Google trend should not exist, it

852
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Speaker 2: just so happened that there was a massive the spike

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Speaker 2: of people searching Immaculate Constellation right next to Wright Patterson

854
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Speaker 2: Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. So again, this is

855
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Speaker 2: a term which nobody knows. Nobody's out there searching Immaculate Constellation.

856
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: What they were worried about was that the name of

857
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: that program had been leaked under Grush and they were

858
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Speaker 2: searching those people around that area for the name Immaculate Constellation. WHOA,

859
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: it's so suddenly and shockingly appears there in Dayton, Ohio.

860
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Speaker 2: So I think that's evidence there of something going on

861
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Speaker 2: for why we're why were so many people right around

862
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: this Air Force bace just searching for this miraculously, especially

863
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Speaker 2: a base.

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Speaker 3: That's well known within that.

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Speaker 2: I think what this does is it gives us a

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Speaker 2: quiver into something to actually for Congress to begin looking into.

867
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Speaker 3: And that's part of the problem.

868
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Speaker 2: And I understand, I guess where Joe is coming from,

869
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: but he needs to understand what pressure that Grush himself

870
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: is already under. I mean, the guy's life is being

871
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: investigated to high hell by the US government, basically lost

872
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: his job. There is no incentive for a lot of

873
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: these people to come out.

874
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 5: Additionally, yeah, there's a lot of incentive to not come out.

875
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

876
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, they're destroying him.

877
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean, remember they leaked that whole thing about his

878
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: PTSD incident and all that. Like, he has talked about

879
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: having threats to his life. I don't know if it's

880
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: true or not, but that's what he says. But in general,

881
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: like his career has not gone well as a result

882
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: of it. It's not like it has been good for

883
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: his personal life. Additionally, I think what it says is

884
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: somebody was explaining this to me, was that previously one

885
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: of the reasons that that UFO legislation had gone down.

886
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: The USAP Disclosure Act was so pressured by the intelligence

887
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: community was specifically to stop them from the ability to

888
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: uncover the very special ass program that exists. Like right

889
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: here and now, for everybody out there, I get it.

890
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: Everyone keeps saying, oh, it's coming, is coming, it is coming,

891
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: et cetera. I totally understand, but you have to remember

892
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: what the I mean. We just had Jefferson Morley on

893
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: about JFK. It's been sixty years and we still don't know.

894
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: You know, if you think about it. There were all

895
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories in the nineteen fifties of people who

896
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 2: were saying the CIA has brothels where they're drugging people

897
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: and people are like, you're crazy, Like.

898
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?

899
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 2: Twenty five years later, you're like, oh, actually, not only

900
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: was he totally right, it's way crazier than you could

901
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: have ever imagined. If I had told somebody in the

902
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: street in America the CIA wanted to blow up Castro

903
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: with the cigar, I they would have said you are

904
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: out of your mind, or or make it wear though.

905
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, these are real. This actually happened.

906
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: If I go back to the Spanish American War or whatever,

907
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, maybe it's America that blew

908
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: up the USS main again hanged for treason. Never would

909
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: have happened one hundred years later. What do we know

910
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: it's true or it's probably true. So like I'm just

911
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: saying for the incredible incredul increduluity and just the way

912
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: that people think about like, oh, it's just taking a

913
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: long time.

914
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: You know, it's not that easy when the government.

915
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: Wants to keep a secret, especially a very very tightly

916
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: held one, you know here, it's they can't do it,

917
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: and it can take a quiet tightn I efforts on

918
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: behalf of the public to even you know, inch forward

919
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: to getting it.

920
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: That's all I would say.

921
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 5: We'll see, Yeah, we'll see.

922
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: I want to see. It's gonna take a while.

923
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: By the way, Congress, you know, after this whole election

924
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: nonsense is up, let's get back and let's.

925
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: Get to work.

926
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Hey, Trump, if he knows all this stuff, like, brother,

927
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: you're already in trouble with the law, you may as well,

928
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: you're already in trouble for classified documents.

929
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: May as well, just like let the people American people know.

930
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: If he becomes president, he should just immediately you know, sign.

931
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 5: All yeah, I mean last time.

932
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: Well, last time around.

933
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: You and Mike POMPEII own his ear famously, especially about

934
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: the JFK thing. We're talking about this with Jefferson Morley

935
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, you just can't let the public,

936
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: you know, know any of this stuff, and I think

937
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: it's just look, it is crazy Obama Trump. I mean

938
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: remember what Obama said. He was like, yeah, you know,

939
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: it's uh. He's like, he's like, there's some things that

940
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: are out there, but we couldn't release it to the public.

941
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: He said something along those lines.

942
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: John Podesta I always talked about this, who was the

943
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: chief of staff to Bill Clinton in the White House,

944
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: Huge UFO guy. He tried for years to get the

945
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: CIA and others to tell him about these programs. And

946
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: he was the White House chief of staff with Yankee

947
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 2: White security clearance, and they blocked him out completely.

948
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: So just evan, someone should ask Joe Biden about this

949
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe his half cooked brain will not realize

950
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't be.

951
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 5: Saying what it wouldn't even tell by accidentally.

952
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: Biden is the ideal president for them. They're like, oh,

953
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: what a joke you know. It's like in the UK

954
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: they have a joke called yes Minister, where the deep

955
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: state basically over there just jokes that the you know,

956
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: whoever's in this yokal, who's in charge, the political guy,

957
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: They're like, forget about it. We've seen fifty of them

958
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: come and go. So for them, Biden is the ideal

959
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: president in terms of who you can just hoodwink the

960
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: entire time. All Right, thank you guys for indulging that.

961
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: We will.

962
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: If there's any breaking news over the weekend, we'll see you. Otherwise,

963
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: we'll see you all next week.