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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, March seventeenth, and a verdict in the

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Speaker 2: so called Grief author murder trial also known as the

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Speaker 2: poisoned husband murder trial guilty on all counts. And it

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Speaker 2: didn't even take the jury long to come to a decision.

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Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 2: TJ Robes. Even if you're not surprised by the verdict,

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Speaker 2: it was a little surprising that we got one yesterday.

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Speaker 3: That was what I was going to say. It was

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Speaker 3: fairly shocking. This isn't fairly typical. The jury spent all

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Speaker 3: day listening to jury instructions, closing arguments that went on

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Speaker 3: for quite some time, and a rebuttal, so they didn't

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Speaker 3: even get the case until after three pm Local time

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Speaker 3: five pm East Coast time.

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Speaker 4: A lot of.

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Speaker 3: Juries might stay for an hour and then head home

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Speaker 3: and start out fresh the next morning. This jury powered through.

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Speaker 3: They must have known early on they were onto something.

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Speaker 3: There was a consensus.

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Speaker 2: He gave them the option, y'all go home if you

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Speaker 2: want to, we'll check back in in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And we were watching the clock, we were wrapping up

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Speaker 2: our night. We were like, yeah, we can go ahead

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Speaker 2: and chill. We had gone on, we had dinner in

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Speaker 2: a movie on, we had moved on, and then.

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Speaker 4: I might have fallen asleep. Actually you did, and you

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Speaker 4: were like, the jury has a verdict.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: So we got the alert that yes, the verdict was

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Speaker 2: going to be read around eight thirty Eastern time, and

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Speaker 2: sure enough, Robes, what it ended up being two and

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Speaker 2: a half three hours of jury deliberations and they came

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Speaker 2: back five counts against her.

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Speaker 1: Guilty.

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Speaker 2: Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty on all counts, including aggravated

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Speaker 2: murder for the poisoning death of her husband, Eric Richins.

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Speaker 2: A reminder hear of this case. She's accused of giving

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Speaker 2: her husband a fentanyl laced drink and then later right

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Speaker 2: a children's book meant to help kids with the grief

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Speaker 2: of losing a parent. It's that case, Robes. They had

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Speaker 2: a long day yesterday. When the day started, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have given any chance that there was going to be

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Speaker 2: a verdict.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, no, I thought I thought we might

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Speaker 3: get one today. But this was three weeks of testimony,

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Speaker 3: forty two witnesses, and yes, the defense did not put

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Speaker 3: any witnesses up but there was a lot to go

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Speaker 3: they were off to the races and it was quick.

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Speaker 4: It was surprising. And you know what, we thought.

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Speaker 3: About this because in Utah you only have eight jurors,

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Speaker 3: so there were twelve seated. The judge announced that four

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Speaker 3: of them were alternates. He excused them, so eight men

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Speaker 3: and women left. And they must have all been on

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Speaker 3: the same page, and they must have realized it early on.

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Speaker 3: That's why they decided, Hey, guys, let's just power through

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Speaker 2: They told him, And we were watching the clock. Set

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Speaker 2: we are I think he gave them the first hour set.

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Speaker 2: We're going to check in on you in about an hour,

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Speaker 2: just to see where you are and see if you

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Speaker 2: want to stick around or if you want to go home.

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Speaker 1: Robes. We were watching the clock.

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Speaker 2: It got past that hour, then hour and a half,

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Speaker 2: But we still weren't necessarily thinking a verdi would come,

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Speaker 2: and in fact it did. Those charges included we said

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Speaker 2: aggravated murder and attempted aggravated murder. Actually, Robes, that was

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Speaker 2: the one that you thought she'd be guilty, but you said,

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Speaker 2: if there's one that maybe they could come back not

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Speaker 2: when they said she tried to kill them once.

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Speaker 1: With a sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, that was a very We talk about

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Speaker 3: how this case was circumstantial, and obviously we've seen time

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Speaker 4: Was this case specifically. But when it came to the

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Speaker 4: tell aggravated murder, it seemed a little it seemed.

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Speaker 3: Like that was the one that had the least amount

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Speaker 4: To me, that was that was a little bit more

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Speaker 4: might be a better way to put it. But no,

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Speaker 4: the jury came back guilty.

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Speaker 2: They essentially said you did everything the prosecution said you

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Speaker 2: she had two counts of that. They were there forgery.

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Speaker 2: They found her guilty of that as well. Now, the

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Speaker 2: and it was packed with mostly friends and family, not

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Speaker 2: let's go with Corey Richand's demeanor before the verdict came robes.

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Speaker 2: You were actually pointing at the screen and watching her

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Speaker 3: Yes, so she has tried to remain stoic, I would say,

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Speaker 3: She was trying to control her breathing. She was panicked

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Speaker 3: or could tell. And that makes a ton of sense, but.

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Speaker 2: It also flew in the face robes of what we've

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Speaker 2: and quite frankly, looked a little more confident.

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Speaker 3: She was rolling her eyes, she had kind of a

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Speaker 3: And then there were even moments when she's when her

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Speaker 3: you saw Corey Richan's smile. There was some confidence. That

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Speaker 2: Even during closing arguments. I would say she had some

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Speaker 2: of that confidence. What did you make of And we

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Speaker 3: Yes she dressed like a conservative, a conservative kind of

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Speaker 3: that flew in the face of what prosecutors were trying

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Speaker 3: to describe her as this ambitious real estate vixen of

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Speaker 3: so yes, this confident, sassy, sexy real estate agent who

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Speaker 4: She liked her luxurious lifestyle and she wanted it all.

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Speaker 3: She did not look that part in court from start

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Speaker 3: to finish, and especially yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That was a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Vixen of a woman is how they were trying to

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Speaker 2: setup for this. We have always talked throughout this trial

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Speaker 2: before the jury came in, I thought this was it

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Speaker 3: I appreciated this judge from start to finish. His calm

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Speaker 3: defense attorney was really impressive and remarkable. And it's true

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Speaker 4: Think about this.

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Speaker 3: This was a courtroom, not just with bystanders or people

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Speaker 4: Might be invested. This was a courtroom packed with one

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Speaker 3: Rose packed that were Eric Richards's family and friends, and

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Speaker 2: Everyone in there had an emotional in this outcome. Everybody

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Speaker 2: He actually instructed them, if you need to sit on

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Speaker 2: They listened. I was shocked once it was the verdict

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Speaker 2: Robes he gave a heads up gonna have the defendant stand.

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Speaker 2: He told her that before the jury came in. That

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Speaker 2: Then you can understand why this was. She was in

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Speaker 3: You know, we watch a lot of these verdicts. The

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Speaker 3: watching it, watching her, watching her emotions anticipate what he

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Speaker 4: It was I know this sounds weird, but it was.

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Speaker 4: It felt electric almost in this silence.

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Speaker 2: She was terrified and you could see that that is

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Speaker 2: that is that she was terrified in that moment understandably

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Speaker 2: so in robes. He starts reading and the first guilty

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Speaker 1: Her head goes down. I don't think it ever came

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Speaker 4: It did not.

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Speaker 3: Her head fell and you could just feel the life

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Speaker 3: She never she never even looked at her attorneys. She

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Speaker 3: never glanced at the judge, She never looked at the jury.

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Speaker 3: She never looked up again. I also noticed her her

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Speaker 3: legal team did not pat her on the back. They

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Speaker 4: We do see this sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Everyone just stoically sat, stunned, or like they were standing.

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Speaker 4: She was done, she was done, she was defeated, and.

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Speaker 3: There was almost a resignation in that and she just

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Speaker 2: on Amy and TJ. Guilty on all accounts for Corey Richards,

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Speaker 2: the Utah Mom grief author murder trial, as it's called,

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Speaker 3: That is almost certainly going to be the case by

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Speaker 4: She's thirty five years old.

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Speaker 3: And look, when they were going over the housekeeping of

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Speaker 3: And then it kind of hit me, Wow, these folks

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Speaker 1: They've been waiting to speak to her.

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Speaker 3: That is going to be a powerful, powerful day in court.

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Speaker 3: We know, we can feel we saw Eric Richard's sister testify.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was weird and a little uncomfortable, but hey,

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Speaker 1: Work for me.

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Speaker 3: How about a day in April? Ooh, April's booked up.

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Speaker 4: How can we get this all worked out?

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Speaker 2: The judge was looking at his calendar. You could literally

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Speaker 2: about it. May They had how many people in there

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the entire month of May.

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Speaker 4: Surprised that the jury came back so quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday was the day they were hoping for.

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Speaker 2: One man is dead, a woman is going to prison,

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Speaker 2: in this case no matter. You can have your opinion

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Speaker 2: We've said plenty of times, how can you That's very

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Speaker 3: Write a book helping other people's kids deal with grief

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Speaker 2: Well, Corey Richards, according to this jury, did it, and

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Speaker 2: we'll be going to prison Ford again, guilty on all

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Speaker 2: five counts again, including aggravated murder. We always appreciate you

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Speaker 2: spending some time with us as we've gone along this journey,

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Speaker 2: on this particular trial. Thank you all so much for

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Speaker 2: listening on DJ Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy Robot.

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Speaker 1: We will be talking to you soon